Bonus Episode: Matt Doyle: Tony Award Winner and Golden Girls Superfan!
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Oh, yes, I do. Today, we are chatting with our friend and my former colleague at Company on Broadway, the one, the only, Tony Award winner, Matt Doyle. Matt Doyle! Yep. Cutest boy on Broadway. Matt made his Broadway debut in 2007 in Spring Awakening. He went on to have supporting roles on Broadway in Bye Bye Birdie and War Horse. Yep. He then went on to star as Elder Price in The Book of Mormon on Broadway. He played Anthony in the off-Broadway production of Sweeney Todd before doing Company with, you know,

Little old me. Little old me. Little mama cheesecake. And cheesecake, stay tuned for information on Matt starring as old Blue Eyes himself in Sinatra on Broadway in 2025. I saw him sing a Sinatra tune live at the Cafe Carlisle and I thought I was going to leave my husband.

Cheesecakes, this interview was so fun. We love Matt. Matt's love for the Golden Girls knows no bounds. And our love for him knows no bounds. Correct. Something tells me this will not be the last time Mr. Matthew Doyle will be appearing on this podcast. Didn't we both just respond instantly? Yes. You know, like he was so good, it made me insecure. Like, well, maybe I, I don't know. Maybe you want to, do you want to sit in my chair? It's fine if you do. No, I'm fine. I'm fine.

So, Cheesecakes, enjoy the interview and we'll see you next week for our regular recap and deep dive on episode 17, Nice and Easy, where we meet Blanche's niece, Lucy, who likes the men's. She likes the men's. She, like all of us, likes the men's. Hi, Matt Doyle. Hello. Jen, it's happening. It's happening. I got the tingle.

I have the tingles. I got the goosebumps. I have the tingles because I'm here and this is lovely and I can't wait to be with all of you. Listen, when we were talking about trying to figure out the format of this show, we're like, maybe sometimes we'll do interviews and Jen goes, Matt Doyle! That was the first words out of her mouth. Yeah, because how many times did we talk about the show and this

episode that happens to be your favorite, should we tell our listeners what it is? Yeah. Matthew Doyle, tell them your favorite episode of The Golden Girls. Episode one and two of season five. The sick episodes is how I refer to them. The chronic fatigue syndrome episodes. Technically called Sick and Tired. Part one and two. Part one and two. I am...

over the moon to be able to talk about this because they're equal parts incredible and also absolutely confounding at the same time. And they start season five. I know. Yeah. And there's nothing about them that, like, feels cohesive. They're completely out of left field. Oh, yes.

And it's really just Susan Harris, the creator, wanted to get back at a doctor who misdiagnosed her. Is that right? Yes, this is true. So she wrote these episodes to kind of say everything that she wanted to say. So I think why... As angry as I will always be. No, wait. This is something that Matt does. As angry as I will always be.

I mean, we did this backstage. This monologue, we would quote it backstage nonstop, especially every time that we were really tired, which is no insult to people that suffer from chronic fatigue syndrome. I've not met you yet, and I'd love to, but like, you know. Well, it's a virus, you know. There's not much known about it, and no one's died of it. And still not a lot of information on it 40 years later. So, I'm sorry about that.

I am not like a major area of research in the field of medicine. Yeah. Like in the 90s, we were like Lyme disease. But now we know so much about Lyme disease and like I still don't know a lot about this syndrome. I feel like if these episodes were being made today, it'd be a two parter on like restless leg syndrome, which I literally only have when I'm on an airplane. I will be like, oh, my God, my restless leg is back.

My itching. Or like, you know, the perils of turf toe. And sorry, everyone, if you've had turf toe, it's not fun. What is turf toe? They call it that because of football players. It's like when your big toe cramps up and gets really sore. Turf toe. Turf toe. I had a colleague once.

Patti LuPone. No, it wasn't. It was Patti LuPone. I know, it was not. Turf Toe LuPone, they called her backstage at company. There was a colleague of mine who was also pretty nervous. And he said to me, he's like, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, can you get cancer of the toe? I said, oh, I don't know. He went to the doctor. He said, Jen, it's not cancer. It's turf toe. I got turf toe. I got the turf toe.

That was when we found out that Christopher Sieber used to suffer. I mean, from turf to... That sounds like a Sieber thing. I love you so much, Sieber. So, Matthew, we wanted to start by asking you, like, how did you discover the Golden Girls? How did they come to you? Okay, so, obviously, in middle school and high school, the reruns were on. But as a homosexual...

Homosexual, young homosexual who was like avoiding homosexuality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like tried not to watch it because I think even then I knew that it was like a gay show. Yeah, yeah. And I'll never forget coming to the city when I was like 19 and doing Spring Awakening. And I was asked to be a guest in a drag show. And I went to the drag show and they started playing the Golden Girls theme song. And they expected me to know every word and sing along. Okay.

And I was like shamed by everyone at therapy for not knowing this song. Were you out by then? I was. Okay. So I was like a wee gay, but I didn't know the theme song and I like didn't even recognize it. My 10 year old daughter will walk around the house singing it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

And so I had like a drag queen pull me aside that night and be like, honey, you have to know this. Like, it's not, it's not something that you can get away with. Yeah. As a gay adult in New York city, you have to know the golden girls theme song. And so I was like, you know what? Maybe I should just start binge watching it. And,

My roommate at the time had a DVD set of it. So remember DVDs? I know. I used to have that set. Yeah. So we went through every season and watched it all on DVD. And it's like the funniest thing you've ever seen. Unbelievable. Like I couldn't believe that it was created when it was created. I couldn't believe the characters. And it's just like some of the best physical comedy I've ever seen. We talk about that every time. Question. Yes. It's a two-parter. Yeah. Like this episode. Which Golden Girl do you identify with?

the most and which one is your favorite and perhaps they're the same i don't think they're the same yeah rose is my favorite just because like interesting yeah i love rose just because i i think i am a dorothy uh-huh so being annoyed at rose and laughing at rose is like inherently me yeah a buddy of mine nick searley who you guys probably know of the skivvies and i've barely ever seen him with his

clothes on. I know, exactly. And to the listeners who don't understand what that means, just Google it. Yeah, exactly. He lives in the Midwest or he came from the Midwest and I am Dorothy. I look at people and I'm just over them with a glance. And Nick is Rose. Who would your friends say you are? You would say I'm Dorothy, right? I would say you're Dorothy with a sous-son of Sophia. Okay.

Maybe I am Sophia, actually. I mean, the two are kind of similar. It depends on the day. When you're really working out, you're Dorothy. And, you know...

With your man of shoulders. Maybe in your twinkier days, you were Sophia. I don't know. Maybe I'm Sophia now because I can barely get out of bed. Well, we talked about this last week. I saw Matt for coffee last week and I said, we're both going to age into Sophia Petrillo's. You know, we're going to be up for the same roles. Totally, totally. Right? And I'm obsessed. That's the story I didn't tell you, Patrick. The story about Susan Harris. Oh, yeah. I had no idea. I'm like, Matt Doyle? Yeah.

Mr. Autobiographer Susan Harris. But I've always known this because of how confounding this episode is. And I remember watching it the first time, even back then in the early days of Google and being like, why is this happening? What am I watching? Right, right, right. What is chronic fatigue syndrome? Exactly. And how do I prove I was born with it? It felt so pointed and it all, and we'll get to it, wraps up with this grand finale of, you know,

When you have a confrontation with someone and you didn't say the right thing or you want to have a confrontation with someone and say all the right things and it's this fantasy that you've built up in your head and you're practicing it in your car or wherever at home and you're like, and another thing. And it's like, and his wife would be there and she'd say, shut up, Louis. Shut up, Louis. She's like...

With that look, by the way. She says shut up, Louis, and then look on her face. Which I can't get into. We'll get there. But honestly, I thought of that today. That's because how many times has he told her, just get your hair done? Exactly. And that's where that came from. And I love her little sassy nodding. And you know Susan Harris was like, I have a platform. I'm going to use it. And I'm going to change the medical profession.

The thing is, it really is like an exercise in watching women be told that their pain isn't real by their doctors. Like, it's a really funny over-the-top episode, but I feel like this must happen all the time.

all the time. And she says this much. Dorothy says, I suspect if I had been a man, I might have been taken a little bit more seriously. Yeah. And I do have to say, as much as I can laugh at this episode and kind of make fun of it, at the same time, it does do a lot of amazing things. Yes. And so even watching it again today, I'm like, I mean, you go, Susan Harris. But then I'm also like, oh my God.

Wait, I'm sure when we do the episode proper, Patrick, we'll talk about this. But I just have to ask you before I forget you two. Did it not make you laugh when she goes to her doctor friend, Harry? I'm like, why didn't you start with him? I know. It's the third doctor she goes to. I know. The third doctor and it's like her closest friend. Wouldn't you be offended? Technically, he's a pediatrician. Look, if you don't think I watched every episode.

of Empty Nest. And I looked it up today to see if he had been in other episodes of Empty Nest. Well, there's our answer. Had already started. Right. Because we also get Park Overall who plays Laverne the nurse. Yeah. Park Overall who I'm obsessed with. Does she come in that room? Yeah, she's the... You guys, I've been so confused by this because there is a little boy with a mullet which is fine.

I had a mullet when I was that age, too, because I'm the same age as that little boy. But all of a sudden, I'm like, why are we in the deep south all of a sudden? There's a little boy with a mullet holding a urine sample. And then out of nowhere, this woman with a thick accent comes in, accuses the little boy of cheating on his drug test, essentially. And then out of nowhere, there's like a little quip between the two of them, and she insinuates that she likes public sex. And then she leaves. I know.

To raucous applause, by the way. Give me that. That's not his. He had Buddy Klein do it for him. This is a proxy? He doesn't mind doing it in his own bed, but there's something about doing it in a public place. Kind of like sex. Maybe where you come from.

I was like, what is happening? Who is this person? So we will do a whole deep dive on Empty Nest at some point, I'm sure. But Empty Nest was a great show. It was the Westons. He's Harry Westons. He's got two daughters, Carol and Barbara. One of them played by Dinah Manoff, who originated the role of Ellie Greenwich in Leader of the Pack on Broadway. Wow. Yeah. Kristen McNichol, who, late in life lesbian, obsessed. We love late in life lesbians. But,

Laverne played by Park overall, who the only other thing I've ever seen her in was the film version of Bloxy Blues, where she played Rowena, the sex worker. Oh, well, he had sex with for the first time. I mean, she did look very familiar to me. I should have done more research. No, no, no. I was I was bad. Yeah. I was like, why is this so specific? And we've taken yet another in a two part episode of such sharp turns. Another really sharp. We're almost right back where we

started. You know what I mean? So should we do our, our discuss? Let's do a discuss. Yeah. First of all, do you remember watching this episode for the first time? It is your favorite. And when you were watching it, were you like, this is leaving an indelible mark on me? Yes, absolutely. Because so much was going on. First of all, we have some of the best St. Olaf stories I've ever heard.

ever. Like, some of the best in the series. And we have one of the best bits in the series from Blanche, which is her as a writer. So I was going to say, the B story in this one, which I guess is what they call the... It's the best B story of them all. I mean, truly. And then at the center of it, this like

uber depressing like random like Susan Harris mission with Dorothy who's given no comedic beats for two whole episodes I know I know while chaos ensues around her

Like, Sophia gets super racist in the second episode. It's unwatchable. I know. It's unwatchable. I know. I mean, it is like that whole bit with her and the Chinese girl. Dr. Chang. It is. No, it's horrible. It literally starts with, I just want you to know I really like Chinese people. I know. Or something like that. I mean, it is just like. Like, all of us are Dorothy. Every line, you're like, ma! Yeah, just stop. Just stop talking. Just stop.

Oh, I know it was like 1990, but please stop. Yeah. The whole opening bit is like her not feeling well. Yeah. Right. She's going to go to the doctor. This is where Blanche swoops in. And she's going to be a writer. She's going to be a writer. And she can't name any other famous Southern writers. In the great tradition of writers she can't name. And let me ask you this. Did she submit this episode for her Emmy because it's some of her best work? It is phenomenal. When she picks up that, you know, little ball of

Little Bob's Sunshine. That's in the second episode and it's set up so perfectly because Rose is in the kitchen cooking and she's taking out the egg yolk so they don't deal with cholesterol or whatever. And then Blanche comes in having not slept in 72 hours. Which is also ironic because we're dealing with chronic fatigue syndrome. And then the B story is like making fun of someone who's tired. And she picks up a bag as if she's like on Molly or Kay and is like, little Bob's.

of sunshine in a bag. I see little balls of sunshine in a bag. But then they turn on her because when she goes back over and sees the bag like two minutes later, she thinks they're eyeballs staring at her. It's just like... But not only that, but I'm going to fast forward all the way to the end when Dorothy sees Dr. Bud for the first time. She's like, oh my God, who is he? Well, I saw him first. I mean, so...

So ready to jump on anyone. She put her dents on the thing with the penis. Yes. Yes. Yes. But, you know, we get the whole, well, we meet Dorothy's first doctor in the episode. Jeffrey Tambor. I know. Which is wild. I know. It's like always the cowardly line for me for some reason. Like, it's always like, oh, Dorothy, you just have to have more sex. It's just like.

Yes. So strange. And he's so sexist. And like, I think he was probably like 31 at the time, but he's like 50. I know. We see all of these people who, throughout the series, this is a, like we were talking in like the pilot through episode four, they talk about dating these men in Miami who are in their 50s and they talk about them like drooling morons. Yeah. Like they can't keep their eyes open. They all want to talk about their prostates, which most didn't even know what a prostate was. I don't really see the problem. I know. Okay.

But yes, he's the first one and he's just a sexist pig. And like we get that he's like a fancy doctor, but he's not fancy enough. So she needs to go see a specialist. Well, my thing is and like not to blame the victim here, but I'm like the first time you encounter a sexist doctor like that and you know he's wrong. Why doesn't she go to a woman doctor? Yeah. Or not the doctor he recommends. She's got to go to New York. She's got to fly to New York. But it's also probably her debilitating disease. Right.

cloudy. I forget things. But also, we never see her exhausted once in this episode. No. All she can talk about is on her mission. Because it's so much more than that. It makes you feel like you're tired all the time. It sounds like you're tired all the time, but it's so much more. Right, and the second doctor that she sees in New York literally points out the very obvious and is like, you walked here. Right, exactly. Which is

But you know what? Maybe Dorothy's like me who like, you ever feel terrible and you're like, I'm going to the doctor and the second you get to the doctor's office, you feel fine. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was nine years old. They drove me moaning to the emergency room for what ended up being an appendectomy. Oh my God. But when we got to the ER, I felt fine. Of course. And my mom was like, you better act sick. I know.

Get sick now. Meanwhile, Rose comes with Dorothy on the trip to New York and does nothing interesting. Does nothing, but she does have a long monologue about King Kong. Yes.

She's comforting. She's so comforting. She goes to Bloomingdale's. Like, this is what I don't understand. I'm screaming at the TV, go to the High Line. And then I remember the High Line didn't exist. This is like in 1984. I'm standing this old lady in the beach. The High Line was like still in use. Go to the Howard Johnson's. They got there on the train that dropped them off at the High Line. At the High Line.

But yeah, like that interaction because he's like yelling at her. Yeah. He's so mean to her. He's so mean and they've managed to cast Susan Harris has managed to find like a Targaryen. Like he is like you just take one look at him and you want to punch him. Like he's the

You're like, why are you here, you asshole? But apparently also the leading expert in chronic fatigue syndrome, according to Jeffrey Tambor. I know. He's the greatest doctor in the world. Well, he's a neurologist. And I have to say, like, it manages to insult psychiatry, too, and say that it's not scientific, which I'm sorry, it was 1990. This is not like 1820. Like, he's like, oh, psychiatry. What a joke. Yeah.

Right. And he's not talking about a chiropractor. Yeah, I know. Just kidding. Just kidding. Chiropractic acupuncture. Just kidding. Just kidding. Oh, Dr. Bud. He just needed to get his hair done. He just needed to get his hair done. Dr. Bud. I was wondering, though, maybe you guys can answer this as actors. When you are an actor, like hired in the role of Dr. Bud, and you have to go in and be mean, like a Bea Arthur, is that intimidating? I bet it's thrilling. I mean, I've never, I don't have to play mean people a lot.

Yeah, I wouldn't work very well. He just plays one in real life. Meanwhile, in real life, I am. That's why I said he just plays one. You don't have headphones on. I said he just plays one in real life. No, I mean, I think there's one of the easiest things to play, actually. I certainly couldn't answer for that particular actor. But you have lines. I don't think that's the intimidating thing. I think the most intimidating thing is when you're a guest star or a co-star like that.

It's really hard to just have a lot of cooks in the kitchen and just you don't have the chemistry and the rhythm that everyone knows. So it's like a first date and you have to consummate on your first date. And get the least amount of takes. Yeah. And it's like just get them in and get them out. Everyone else is the priority. Yeah. And so you have to like stake your claim and stake your power and you just can't. So in a way, I think it would be easier to be mean because you get the power in the script versus like...

I agree. I can't imagine being a love interest as a guest star on something like that. And you have to be like funny and charming. Like that's set up for failure. I was reading in the Golden Girls Forever book, which is like one of our Bibles for this podcast. Lisa Jane Persky, who plays the daughter in episode two, who I'm obsessed with. And I did a whole deep dive and her life is benign.

nannas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she was saying when she did her, like, she's the daughter. She's, like, the primary focus of the episode, kind of. She said that, like, Bea Arthur barely spoke to her and that, like, the only thing Bea Arthur said to her was, like, don't put your arms around my neck when you hug me. Oh. But then they're, like, playing mother-daughter and it's, I don't think Bea Arthur's being mean.

mean I just think it's like a job to do get in get out yeah I guess we'll get to know each other more if you continue on in this show kind of attitude you know yeah but the dr. bud moment too when he's like yelling at her on the way out the door it's hard to watch but it's setting it up for her to like give it back to him later absolutely which is why it's also so absurd you're like why is this man she's flown to New York yeah paying him good money and he's just berating her well and we've

seen Dorothy like literally levitate with anger for like Rose putting the dish in the wrong part of the sink and she just like cowardly like walks out sheepishly with her like shoulders raised yes yes just for normal but yeah with the shoulder pads it's hard to tell it's really hard to tell oh there's nothing wrong with you Dorothy except what happens to all of us in case you haven't noticed you're not 30 take a cruise Dorothy go to a hypnotist change your hair color

My wife became a blonde. She's a new woman.

So, like, in episode two, we get that whole bit of Blanche being the writer and being exhausted and being up for three days. But the thing that I love about that, too, is she's got her book. She wrote it longhand. She wrote her great American novel longhand. It's so good. In several notebooks. Several notebooks. It's so good that she's going to refuse to allow it to be published. And she has one of the best one-liners to Rose about Minnesota, which is that people in Minnesota feel well-read when they read a Sears catalog. Yeah.

Because she gives it to Rose to read. And Rose is like, I can't, I don't know, I can't follow this. And then Rose takes her out to the couch and puts her down on the couch. And that's the shade of her being like, tell me one of those born say no love stories that always put me to sleep. Have you heard, by the way, Jen's Blanche? You got to do the get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here.

Which is really just the best. It's so good. Oh, God, I love that bit. But also the St. Olaf stories. Can we talk about the one that Rose tells about the man who's buried alive and then the wife hears something about the IRS and the back taxes and then they dig the man up only to find that he's suffocated to death. Like he was alive when they buried him. Right. But he's been since suffocated. Yeah. And then the business partner's there as they dig him up but the IRS is there so he takes the cop's gun and shoots himself. Like what? I know.

The hell is going on in St. Olaf? But this is all at the end of episode one. And something that I notice every single time since the first time I've watched it is Blanche at the end of episode one, while she's listening to this crazy St. Olaf story, is mixing a vinaigrette. Just mixing a vinaigrette. Yeah.

And then Sophia goes into this, like, really tragic moment of, like, what if my daughter dies before me? And the episode ends with Blanche placing the vinaigrette on the table in solemn silence. That's the, like, final beat is, like, put down the vinaigrette. Oh, my God. I only knew what she was doing because when I was growing up, we had an exact—

Absolutely. One of those glass beakers that she's making a nice dress in. That's right. Like, you could never find one of those today if you were looking for it. No, no. You make that shit in a bowl now. Yeah. You know what I mean? Very 90s. With a fork. Fork. Very 90s. That's so... She's just in the back doing the work. They're like, what if she dies? Place vinaigrette down. End of episode. And then it's like, burn it and bang it.

Oh, that's something else I loved about this episode. How on a very special Golden Girls. Yeah. The outro and intro music. Yeah. Serious. It's serious like. It's serious. It's still the theme, but like it's a little solid. We can't be as flip as we normally are. I've been imagining them like in the studio recording those transition music. Can we get a sadder one? I don't know. More strings. Like. Da-na. Da-na. Da-na.

is not going to work for this episode. No, I know you guys have done five seasons of this, but we're really taking a left turn here. Yeah, we just really... It's about chronic fatigue syndrome. It's going to make sense when we're in the room, I promise. Susan's on a tear. We don't really know what's going on. Just go with it.

It's all going to come together at the table read. It's all going to come together. Wait till you see the actor we got playing Dr. Bud. He's a real bastard. He's a Targaryen. Yeah, he's a Targaryen. You just want to punch him. You'll know what that is later.

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So, all right, we get to, she's fine. Well, we go through that whole scene with her and the doctor who actually diagnoses her. And this doctor makes really interesting points that, like, medicine shouldn't be because it's a science, but it is kind of subjective. That, like, some doctors are going to say this is a real thing and some are going to say that it isn't. But I'm saying that it is and you really have, he's giving her horrendous statistics. He's like, you'll probably never get better. It's probably only going to get worse. Some people have it for good.

40 years. Yeah. She's so happy. She's so happy and so relieved. And he's like, oh, no, no, there's no cure. And we know nothing about it. It was just discovered last Wednesday. We're also not going to do any research on this. I mean, you're going to help us build a profile. Maybe someone 100 years from now will benefit from your death. It's 40 years later. By the way, this episode is not aged well because Google it and there's still like articles that are like, I don't know. We really don't.

Like, written this past year. I know, I know, I know. He's like, we don't really know a lot about the virus. Yeah, yes. And I guess, like, the clearest signs that it could be from, like, mono, it could be from lime, even. Like, there's a bunch of things. I've been looking it up because I was like, I'm going to record about this and I don't want to offend people. But, like, it is also, like, it still is.

It still sounds like nonsense. Like, we haven't gotten to the magical land that Susan was really hoping we'd get to. Because he says it's a virus. I was like, well, that doesn't sound good. I know. She's getting no help. I know.

Meanwhile, I'm like jotting down all the questions I have about like, it's like all the 80 questions. And he says to Dorothy, do you have any questions? No, no, not right now. She goes, no, I'm just so happy to finally have something and know what it is. And all he's told her is to go sleep more and eat better. And then life is only going to get worse. I know. It's going to be really painful. Eliminate stress. Exactly. Exactly. But then she's renewed. Right. I mean, talk about having energy because then they go out to

dinner to celebrate. Well, they go to the one restaurant in Miami because you'll notice every time there's any dinner anywhere, the establishing exterior shot is this restaurant. Is this restaurant. Yeah. And they're all dressed to the nines. They look lovely. Yeah, they do. And she orders the most expensive bottle of champagne. Now, listen, I was once, when she said that, we know these are not ladies of means. She's like, I want the most expensive champagne on the menu. And I gasped because

Because this happened to me once. She's already flown to New York. She's already seen the number one neurologist in the world. She's a substitute teacher. Who left her last class early. So she probably wasn't paid for it. Because she was too tired. I was thinking too, when they took that trip to New York, I'm like, did she see a show? What was playing in 1990? I feel like she, was it like Sideshow or something? No, that was later. I don't know, Grand Hotel? Yeah, I don't remember. I don't know.

Sideshow was 97. Was it 97? She saw Cavs. When I was making my theater podcast, Alice Ripley told me a story about how her and Emily Skinner used to go to the TKTS booth and beg people to buy tickets to Sideshow so it would keep running. Isn't that wild? Would you all ever do that? I mean, we kind of did with Spring Waker. Did you?

Look at me. No. Yeah, I know. We helped the people with the flyers a lot. Oh, really? Yeah, we'd be like, we'll come with you. Spring Awakening was the best fucking show ever. It was very good, but I mean, people did not see it. Really? We only had like one week of like 95% sales. What? I know, isn't that crazy? It was like the week after the Tonys. Oh my God. My journey with Spring Awakening went like this. I went to see it. I loved the music. I hated the book. I went back for the music. Loved the book. I mean, I was a real...

wreck when I left there. To this day, if you were to pull out your phone right now and play Song of Purple Summer, I would dissolve into a puddle on the floor. I can't. But what does it mean? I know that! I can't believe that!

Somebody told me, was it Krista told me that at one point they tried it with them all coming out in their street clothes. Like, it was like, it's over and now we're just singing. Now we're just kids now in modern days. Don't you ruin it for me, Nat Doyle. That song is perfect. I cannot hear that song without dissolving. One time my daughter, the song came on and my daughter in the backseat went, oh no. Yeah.

Oh, no. He's going to cry. We used to have a joke about going out at the stage door because we would get asked all the time by fans, like, what is the song in Purple Summer about? And we would just be like, it's so great to see you. How did I see you? You know what? If you don't get it, I think you should come to it on your own. You know, if you don't get it, it's really about what it means to you. That's the Sarah Jessica Parker way to deflect when someone wants to take your photograph. Seth Rudetsky always tells that story. You know, like, if you're like, hey, can we have a selfie? She's like, oh, they won't. They won't.

Oh, they won't. Which is so great. It's such a mind fuck. Who's they? Are they watching? And it takes the onus off of her. Oh my God. And you're like, they won't let her? What does she mean?

she mean? And by the time you figure it out, she's gone. She's gone. I stopped taking Ubers because of her. Because she said, Howard Stern said to her, like, you're on the subway all the time. Why are you on the subway so much? And she said, because if you Google and getting from point A to point B anywhere in New York City, the fastest way is always the subway.

And I was like, oh my God. And it's really true. That's definitely true. Anyway, we're at the restaurant with the girls. We're at the restaurant with the girls. The restaurant with the girls. She orders the champagne. Yes. And she sees Dr. Bud. Because he's in Miami? Right. For a conference, I'm sure. I don't know why he's there, but she's like, oh my God. And then, of course, we have Blanche. Like, oh, yeah. Who is he? Where? I saw him first. I saw him first. I saw him first. Who is it? Where is he?

Her loins are on fire. Already. Which is a term Rose has never heard before. And then, before we get to the monologue, my favorite part is actually when she gets up to walk over and she's like, order without me. She says, order without me. I'm so glad you brought it up. I know.

It's just so dramatic. It's Beatrice, ladies and gentlemen. Beatrice. Yeah. It's going to take so long. Order without me. Order without me. But also like as if like they're not going to like watch this confrontation. Like order without me, girls. Like go back to your conversation. And Matt, I have to bring this up because when we talked about this moment, the thing I remember you saying backstage at company was like,

on earth would sit through what comes next? Would sit through what comes next. Yeah, yeah. That's why this is so, like, has such a strong place in my heart and memory for me is because the first time I was watching it, I was like, no one's doing anything. Like,

Like, this really does feel like your weird fantasy of a confrontation. It's true. Because things don't work that way in real life. Like, people yell back. People... And my favorite thing about it is his, like, blonde bombshell wife sitting at the table who, when he tries to defend himself, like, in a very rational manner, she just goes, shut up, Louis. With that face! With her arms crossed. She's like, she has been done with Louis for weeks.

And,

And now he is being called out in a restaurant. Yes. Called out to the point where she pulls up a chair. Yeah. She pulls up a chair from another table. She's like, she's like, I'm going to sit for this. I really need to talk more to you. Yes. Yes. And just continues to like rip him a new asshole. Dr. Budd, I came to you sick, sick and scared. And you dismissed me. You didn't have the answer. And instead of saying, I'm sorry, I don't know what's wrong with you.

You made me feel crazy, like I had made it all up. You dismissed me. You made me feel like a child, a fool, a neurotic who was wasting your precious time. Is that your caring profession? Is that healing? No one deserves that kind of treatment, Dr. Budd. No one.

I suspect had I been a man, I might have been taken a little bit more seriously and not told to go to a hairdresser. Look, I am not going to sit here anymore. Shut up, Lois. I don't know where you doctors lose your humanity, but you lose it. You know, if all of you at the beginning of your careers could get very sick and very scared for a while, you'd probably learn more from that than anything else. You'd better start listening to your patients.

My favorite thing about it is that when it

it gets applause. Yes, of course. Because of course, she finishes this big, big speech and she stands from the table and she walks away. And the last take is to the wife who's looking at the doctor, Louis, Louis Budd, in like severe disapproval. Like she's maybe going to divorce him or maybe she's discovered that she actually has like a dominatrix roleplay fantasy going on where she's like, I just watched my husband be humiliated. Yeah.

In front of everyone. And we are about to go home. And do it. And do it. Yeah. That's...

That's very interesting. Like, she is, like, eyeing him up and down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, what is actually happening for her? Because I don't think she's giving us what the intent actually is. Oh, my God. You're right. Because if you notice, I noticed this the second time I watched it. It's a cut. So, like, you see her like this. Yeah. The camera's on Dorothy. Then when Dorothy gets up to walk away, it's a cut. Yeah. And she, like, is in a slightly different position. And she's smirking a little bit. Yes. And she's fully fucking committed. She's fully committed. And I'm like, and she's a little turned off.

So much is happening. I'm told that you can do this monologue. I mean, I've done it in pieces before, but on the spot. I mean, give us a little. Oh my God. I don't even know what to do. We would just make so much fun of it backstage. Just like little pieces back and forth. I think it's like as angry as I am and as angry as I will always be. As angry as I am and as angry as I will always be.

But also, I mean, it was just like constantly. Anytime that Jen and I were backstage annoyed at something, we usually would just look at each other and go, shut up, Lewis. Well, and the first time, remember, we couldn't remember his name. Yeah. So we were like, sit down, bud. Like we had it wrong for the longest time. Yeah.

Oh, my God. We've been talking about how, like, in the early episodes, she's straight up abusive to her roommates. Like, she's screaming at them. Oh, yeah. And by season five, she does dial it down a little bit. But the idea that Dorothy is a woman completely motivated by rage really comes out in this scene. Really comes out in this scene. Because who in real life, when either of you do this, would you, if something like this happened to you, would you go and confront and humiliate the person who did it to you in the middle of a restaurant? Have I done this?

I think you're asking the appropriate question. I think it depends on the circumstances, but I will say I have it in me. Yeah, I think we both have it. Yeah, I think we both if the circumstances were this is probably why we're friends. If the circumstances were appropriate enough and we knew how to do it smartly. Yeah. So that it was rational, which I don't really think it is for. So, yes, we wouldn't.

Because it's not real life, that would never happen. But would we get out of quip? Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Because we don't suffer fools, you and I. No, no. No. But to pull up a chair? I mean...

And in front of the wife? I know, I know. I wonder at what point, to pretend it's real life for one second, at what point did Dorothy clock that the wife was on her side? You know what I mean? Shut up, Louis. You see the greatest surge of energy. It's like she is cured all of a sudden. That's a moment. Chronic fatigue syndrome is gone after she hears shut up, Louis, and she grabs the chair and then she sits down and she's like, oh, the other woman is on my side, which is like a lovely moment, but then you're like, what?

the hell is wrong with that woman? Why does she hate her husband so much? I mean, he does look like a piece of shit. I was just thinking she gets back to the table and she says to the table, like, she's mad. And Blanche goes, no, she's turned on. Exactly. Exactly. Oh, no, they're going to have a fun night tonight. So I want to say this, though, when she does go back to the table, how much is the bottle of wine? It's $450. $450.

$76? Was it $450? It was $450. And today money would be $1,200 probably. This happened to me once. I was taken out for my birthday and my wealthy friend took me out and he's like, order a bottle of wine. And I ordered what I thought was like a $100 bottle of Chardonnay. But I pointed to a bottle of, and the champagne came and I was like, maybe Chardonnay is made with champagne grapes. I don't know. And it was like a $600 bottle of champagne.

Oh my gosh. But did they buy it for you? And he laughed when the bill came and I didn't look at it. He's like, did you order a $600 bottle of champagne? And I was like, no!

And he paid for it. Oh, my gosh. I know. Oh, even if I was rich, I'd be so mad at you. He is this guy. He's in my book. And I, because he's like a very private person, not for any fun reason. He's just like a very private person. I told him he could pick a pseudonym and he picked Dr. Jonathan Newman. Oh, my gosh. That's funny. Dr. Jonathan Newman once bought me a $600 bottle of champagne by accident. Well, thank you, Dr. Jonathan Newman. But they do this thing. Sit down, Dr. Newman. Yeah.

they do this thing where like in order to get out of paying for it, Sophia puts salt in the champagne. She pulls it. What's that Sigourney Weaver, Jennifer Love Hewitt movie where they're con artists. Yeah, they're con artists. And they're conning men of their age. It's like a dirty rotten scoundrel. Yeah. They'll like put glass in the salad. Yes. Yeah. And Victor Victoria, the film with the cockroach in the salad. Yes. The cockroach in the mail. Same thing. But they get out of it. I used to, this,

this, how do you think I ate at the best restaurants in Sicily? You know, something like that. Right? Yes. And then the waiter insists on picking up the tab for the whole dinner. If you insist. Can we also talk about, I love Sophia's line in the first episode where Blanche is talking about writer's block and that it's the worst thing that's ever happened to her. And Sophia just cracks back with, try 10 days without a bowel movement. Yes. Mm-hmm.

Really? Like, that's why I also love these episodes so much is that the B stuff is some of the best ever written. And you just can't comprehend that it's all happening around one of the worst A storylines ever. I couldn't agree more. What on earth? I know. And she wanted two episodes for it. She sat down.

Susan Harris sat down to write this and was like, you know what? We need two. It's going to have to be two. It's going to have to be two. If I want to make my point. I mean, I'm amazed they came back the following Saturday. I know. The viewers, right? I know. With the ending with the salad dressing in the first one on such a dark note.

I would have thought, what has happened to my show? That was the end of Act 1 of a theatrical piece. I would clear out. I know. And I am so confused that, like, this opened the season. I know. At the height of their game. I know. Season 4 just happened. They are, like, peak, peak viewership. It's kind of all downhill from here. Yeah, yeah. You know? No, by season 6, we're like, uh-oh. I know. Yeah.

You know, we've jumped ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a question that's unrelated. My question is, I think it would be fun, at least from this, we can put it on or not. But I want to know, Patrick, which golden girl you think you are, which one I think I am, and which one Matt thinks we are. So I very much thought that I was a Dorothy. Yeah. My husband is like, you're straight up Rose. Yeah, you're straight up Rose. You're straight up Rose. I would say Rose for sure. Like, there's not even... Yeah.

Oh, no! Is it the ample bosom? Yeah, absolutely. No, it's just the sweetness. I mean, I wouldn't say you're dumb. You're very, very sharp and quick and everything. But, like, you know, it's just the sweetness.

Oh, that's so nice. Thank you. I feel like Rose, to me, is the least interesting of them all. Really? Yeah. She's my least favorite. I know. Did you all see Matt Doyle's face just now? I mean... I know. I just like... It's just such a masterful performance that I like. Wait, so what about you? Who do you think you are? Oh, okay. So I always say a couple of caveats first. The number one thing I'll say is depending on the group of people I'm with, the Golden Girl I am changes. Yeah, I would say that's true. I think...

In the past, I would always say I'm Dorothy. And considering my divorce, you could say I'm Dorothy, all this stuff. Now I'm sort of, Patrick and I joke a lot. I'm sort of in my Blanche Devereaux phase right now. I'm so sorry. But since I've known you, I feel like we've been veering towards Blanche. And now I'm like, we're Blanche.

Yeah, we're full Blanche. Yeah, you're in your Blanche era, which is awesome. Do you both agree I'm Blanche? Oh, for sure. I mean, I'm veering towards my Blanche era. Yeah. I'm happy about being Blanche. Yeah, I think it's something that... Because it means, oh my God, I'm gorgeous. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, definitely. I think I'm still Dorothy, but I don't know. I'll find my Blanche soon. Yeah, I'll age into Sophia. Yeah. For sure. I think you're right about that. Yeah.

I love her. I think if I'm not there yet, it's coming. Yeah. Wait, can we take a sharp left turn? Yeah. Tell me what it's like to win a Tony Award. Tell me what it's like to win a Tony Award. You're about to find out. I mean, I knew. I tweeted that day. So, like, that morning, I'm like, I'm so excited to be waking up on the last day on Earth that Matt...

- Doyle. - Doyle, oh my God. That Matt Doyle does not have a Tony Award. - Oh my God, Jennifer, keep it in, keep it in. - Sorry, I couldn't think of Rose's name just now. - I know. - So don't worry. - Oh my God. - I was like, Rose. - But I knew it was gonna happen, but then when it happened, it was magical. - And the Tony Award goes to Matt Doyle Company. - Matt Doyle studied classical theater for a year at the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art. This is his first nomination and Tony win.

Oh my goodness, oh thank you so much. Thank you to the American Theatre Wing and the Broadway League and to all of the beautiful men in my category. My god, you brilliant, brilliant men. Thank you so much to my team, Erica Tuchman and Tim Marshall and to everyone at the Jacobs Theatre, the staff, the crew, the stage management and my company, my beautiful family. We have been to hell and back together and I love you all so much. To Atai Benson, my wonderful Paul and my real life Paul, Max Clayton, I love you.

I don't know what I'd do without you, and you really do leave love notes all over the place, and I cannot believe what you put up with. Thank you so much to Marian Elliott and Chris Harper for your friendship and your guidance and your support over the years in changing my life. Thank you to my earliest teachers, Marilyn, Judy, Britt, Eric, Richard, Beth.

Thank you to my family, my sisters, Leah and Colleen, and my parents who believed in me pursuing my passion and believed in the arts and believed that the only way I would be happy is to live my life authentically. Thank you so much to George Firth and to Stephen Sondheim. Stephen, thank you for allowing your work to evolve and allowing more people to be seen in your genius. Thank you so much. I'm the next bride!

That was so surreal. It's still the weirdest thing ever. Every now and then, I'll get tagged in something on, like, Instagram, and I see Instagram tags. I try to hide from, like, being tagged in shit in general. You can, like, turn that off if you want. Do you know I just took the Instagram app off my phone for a little diet? A little cleanse. I think that's good. Even if it's just a week. I just need, like, a break. Oh, God, I'm obsessed with it. I just need...

I respond to every DM. Like, just talk to me. Yeah, that's the thing is, like, it's a cesspool of evil. But every now and then I get tagged in, like, this thing of, like, my speech or the performance or something like that or talking about it. And I'm like, that didn't happen. Like, it's just so surreal and so strange. And I'm like, I'll, like, point at it and, like, show Max. And I'm like, this is.

This isn't real. That's scabby real. So I went to Matt's beautiful home last weekend, and I saw the Tony Award up close and personal, but it made us both laugh because the way the sun sets through his windows, it shines on the Tony Award medallion like that moment where Harrison Ford has the staff in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Truly. There is a flashback.

five minute window every day and this wasn't even intentional we just put it on top of our bookcase but it became a joke in our apartment because there's like a five minute window every day where the sun lands on it perfectly and the whole like apartment lights up it's like

Manhattanhenge, right? Manhattanhenge, exactly. It's like the perfect line of light. And so I do have a daily reminder that it exists. But yeah, I mean, it's the most absurd thing ever. And I think the Tony is like half of it is your performance and hard work. And the other half is just like winning this insane lottery that is a season every year and being in the right moment and the right time and the right like balance of other shows and other performances. So like...

It's just so absurd. Yeah. Like, it's just so absurd. Did I read... Did you get called in for a different role? I did, yeah. Okay, tell me that. I was originally called in for Paul. And I knew Mary Ann. We were really close from War Horse. And I, like, wrote her privately and was like, hey, I'd really love to go in for Jamie. Holy shit. Yeah, I was like, I just don't want to waste anyone's time. Even if you're not interested in me for that, like, I'll just do better work in my audition. Yeah. And she was like...

She's like, I know what I want coming for Paul. And within like 20 seconds of the audition, she was like, no getting married. And I was like, no, I didn't. I didn't rehearse that. Right. You.

No! Yeah, exactly. War Horse Lady? Yeah. But it was like seven years ago. So she's still seeing you as this little boy. So what did you do? Did you go home and learn it? She gave me like 24 hours to go learn it. And so I was up at like four in the morning. That is cruel. It was cruel. Yeah. It was very, very quick. And I just didn't want to do bad work in front of her because I respect her so much and love her. And it was Max's, my partner's opening in Moulin Rouge. And I didn't go. And I didn't go to the party. And I was like awake until four in the morning like,

crying or learning part of me is everybody there because of everybody. Like, like losing my mind. Just the hardest patter song. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The hardest song in musical theater. And meanwhile being like criticized by every single gay person that represented me. Like, how do you not know this? Not now. It's like the Golden Girls theme song.

all over again. It was all over again. It was like, I don't know, like, how do you not know the staples of being a gay man? And like, I'm so guilty of being like halfway to Pete Buttigieg my whole life. So like, I just like have never really like gotten, like I've never been to Fire Island. Like I'm like, as a 37 year old man now, like trying to catch up, you know? Oh my God. And that was one of those things. It was like, you have to know getting married today as a party trick.

Part of me is everybody there, because if everybody's there, I want to thank you all for coming to the wedding. I'd appreciate your going even more. I mean, you must have lots of better things to do and not a word of it to Paul. Remember, Paul, you know the man I'm going to marry, but I'm not because I wouldn't ruin anyone as wonderful as he is. But I thank you all for the gifts and the flowers. Thank you all. Now it's back to the showers. Don't tell Paul, but I'm not getting married today.

I definitely don't know it. I'm not a Sondheim person. Well, get out. When your category came up, were you like, it's going to happen? This is actually so embarrassing. And also really gay because it involves Shoshanna, who was there and nominated in Featured Actors. Uh-huh, Shoshanna Bean. Yes, and she was sitting in front of me. And her category had already happened, so I kind of felt bad.

bad. But she goes, she turns to me right before it happens and she goes, why are you breathing so hard? And I was like, what? And she goes, you're breathing really heavily. And I was like, what? And she goes, oh, is it because your category is coming? Oh,

She goes, honey, you're going to win. Stop. And then like the commercial break was over and somebody yelled it before he said my name. And you can actually hear it on the telecast. Somebody goes, Matt Doe! And that's the audience. That's what made me crazy is I was upstairs in the dressing room. So I had to watch your speech on the television monitor. I was like, could you imagine if you yelled that? And then it didn't happen? And then it didn't happen. Oh, and I was terrified because like the like biggest snub of all,

all like Tony history, Raul comes out to present it to me and was snubbed for company. And so I was like sitting next to my partner, my agent manager, and we all looked at each other and we were like, Oh no, we're like, the curse will continue. Oh no.

So luckily it didn't. Wow. Congratulations, Matt Doyle. That is so exciting. So deserved. I had a front row seat every night. Say it. Yeah. And it was just, for those of you who don't know, opening a Broadway show in the fall is a marathon. Yeah. And it's the hardest thing to have to maintain your stamina and

every single night all the way through till June. I mean, it's I just saw him handle it with strength and grace and discipline. I mean, you were nominated, too. So you're doing the same thing. She was nominated in one of the toughest categories ever. And they staked out a place for her to make sure she was nominated. They made it six nominations in her category. And that is why I like there's a video of me. Yeah, I have it on my Instagram wall. It's like

I just said, Matt Doyle loves me. He has videotape of he and his fiance, Max, watching the Tonys. Because Max filmed it without me knowing. So he placed the camera like in the other room, which I kind of like knew he was probably going to do. Yeah, the nominations. And I'm on the couch and we're watching the nominations for her category. And I literally go, oh no, after five are read. And then they say Jennifer Samard. And I like leap up.

I couldn't. I mean, I couldn't. I was so, so thrilled because nothing was more deserved. And like everyone was talking about that performance. And no one had talked about Sarah like that before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like what she did was just miraculous. And so that's another thing is like you awards are so crazy and weird because like I have one technically, but Jen doesn't is like a crime in my mind. But then again, it's like, yeah, I'm very, very grateful.

Oh, I love it. But it's all like, it's all carried with a lot of like, this is such a crazy thing that we do. And to go through, as Jen said, the fall season into that and carry the marathon and try to maintain your sanity. And trust me, it slipped a few times. And like there were a couple breakdowns backstage where I just like start sobbing because I missed a word in my song. I have to say too, and one of the reasons Matt and I bonded is because it's a...

It can be a lonely place, too. You're kind of like co-kickers on a football team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're under that kind of a microscope and you're trying to make sure... Everybody is waiting for you to take a misstep. Yeah. And not even to their fault, but even, like, your cast members can be. Yeah. Because you are carrying so much with that responsibility that everyone wants you to be perfect. And there is no such thing...

as you go through that. There just isn't. And we were dealing with, I just feel like we should talk about it. We were going through red alert the entire time because of COVID. And, you know, after the, well, you thought, oh, the pandemic's over and we all had vaccines. It

wasn't. And trying to do all of this is pressure enough, let alone literally having to wear a mask every day backstage in the wings, trying to protect yourself so that, oh, there's Tony voters tonight. So and being just so hypervigilant and no, I can't go out with you at the bar. No, I can't see you at the stage door. And it's just human beings aren't meant to be at that heightened alert for as long as we were. So it was very stressful. And you all, the way that your show was staged, you literally are on top

of each other at moments. Like, I remember thinking that, like, oh, no. Well, the day we had the biggest outbreak was after a day where we had a photo shoot in the box. In the box. And we were in there for four hours. We were in there for four hours just breathing on each other and then everyone got it. And that's another, exactly what Jen just said. Like, the pressure of that kind of season is bad enough, but then the pressure of, like,

every single day waking up, not knowing if your show was going on, not knowing if you had COVID, not knowing if Patty was going to be there and if people would be there to like, see the show and like, not knowing if Jen would have to go on for Patty last second. Like all of these, just like insane, insane things and insane pressure mounted on top of what is already. Like if you ask anyone that goes through it, like, Oh,

really crazy thing to do. I now look back and I didn't give myself enough credit during it. I was like, oh, I had a couple of breakdowns I shouldn't have had and I cried a couple too many times and now I look back and I'm like, I can't believe I survived. Grant ourselves grace. And you know what? All of that stress is why we'd come home and watch The Golden Girl. Yeah.

And we did it. How did I do? I just brought it back. You just brought it back. Yeah. And we can edit a lot of that. Yeah. You don't have to do all of that. We rambled. Listen, this has been so fun. You are a delight. Will you come back and talk to us about more episodes? I want to come talk to you all the time. Yeah. I really like it. I love it. Yeah. I love it so much. I love your passion and how fun you are.

Yeah.

and honesty and comedy that I got from the Golden Girls and got from those three actresses, four actresses, excuse me, in particular, like it's absolutely carried into my work. Yes. People ask me that all the time. I said, Laverne and Shirley taught me half of what I know. I would say Golden Girls. And as even if the writing was terrible half the time, like Friends taught me timing that I could never replace. Like it's it's these shows that don't exist anymore. We don't

have great, great sitcoms like this. We could. We could. Matt and Jen. Yeah. Hey, I would watch that. ABCs this fall. Oh my God. ABCs this fall. Yeah. Well, we love you, Matt Doyle. Thank you. Love you. This was so fun. I know. This was awesome. We'll come back often. Peace. All right, bye. Bye. Bye.

Oh, Cheesecake, thanks for checking out our interview with Matt Doyle. Is he not the funnest, funniest, dreamiest guy on Broadway? I'm swooning, positively swooning. Not only over him, but over the fact that he'll be back on Broadway as Frank Sinatra in Sinatra 2025. I mean, it's too good to be true. It's perfect. When you hear him sing the Sinatra, it's the role he was born to play. Yeah, and I just love what a great actor he is. I know. He just transforms. If you hadn't fallen in love already, which I don't think is possible. Not possible. Not possible.

You will this time. You will. I'm telling you what. Cheesecakes, we will also be back next week with our regular recap and deep dive episode. We're doing episode 17, Nice and Easy, where we meet Blanche's kind of slutty niece, Lucy, in the lovingest, most lovely way. I actually do a deep dive on the word slut in that episode because it's a word that I wanted to know the background of. You're so nervous right now. I know.

The slut of it all made you so nervous. And also, I do a deep dive on that actress because I love her. You do love her. I do love her. All right. We love you, Cheesecake. I love you more times two plus one. I love you more than Patrick. Okay, bye.