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The Authors of “How Democracies Die” on the New Democratic Minority

2024/11/15
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Steven Levitsky 和 Daniel Ziblatt认为,美国民主的现状比他们2018年出版《民主如何消亡》时糟糕得多,并且美国民主的衰退并非始于特朗普。他们指出,几乎所有衡量民主水平的国际组织都显示出美国民主水平的显著下降。他们认为,共和党的转变是美国民主面临的最大威胁,共和党已经成为一个服从特朗普的政党,任何反对特朗普的举动都会付出巨大的政治代价。他们认为,精英和制度,而不是选民,负有保护民主的责任。他们还分析了美国制度的缺陷,例如选举人团制度和参议院的结构,这些制度使得少数派能够获得权力,并导致了不公平的结果,例如2016年总统选举和参议院控制权的分配。他们认为,特朗普的当选以及共和党的转变,是由于多种因素共同作用的结果,包括制度缺陷、文化变迁、人口变化和经济变化等。他们认为,30%到35%的选民投票给激进的右翼民粹主义政党,这使得美国民主面临比其他西方发达国家更大的风险。 Daniel Ziblatt 认为,民主制度中,选民对现任政府不满时,会投票将其赶下台,这是民主制度的正常运作方式。但是,美国制度存在问题,因为它偏向人口稀少的地区,导致少数派能够获得权力。他认为,美国的反多数派制度导致了不公平的结果,例如2016年总统选举和参议院控制权的分配。他还指出,如果美国采用多数规则,那么最高法院将会有一个6-3的自由派多数,并且一些关键立法,包括投票权立法,将会在拜登政府期间通过。他认为,问题不在于为什么选民投票给特朗普,而在于为什么唯一能表达他们愤怒和不满的替代方案是一个对民主构成威胁的人。他认为,美国民主面临的风险比其他西方发达国家更大,因为30%到35%的选民投票给激进的右翼民粹主义政党。在两党制下,这个选民群体能够控制其中一个政党,从而对民主构成更大的威胁。

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Why is the condition of American democracy worse now than it was in 2018?

The Republican Party has become more unified under Trump, eliminating a faction that could have constrained his anti-democratic actions. This makes the threat to democracy greater than before.

What role do voters play in defending democracy according to Levitsky and Ziblatt?

Voters should not be expected to defend democracy based on abstract principles; it is the responsibility of elites and institutions to protect democracy.

Why did Trump win the popular vote according to Ziblatt?

Voters were dissatisfied with the status quo due to issues like COVID and inflation, leading them to vote for the incumbent out of power, which is a normal function of democracy.

What are some potential reforms to improve American democracy?

Reforms include automatic voter registration, eliminating gerrymandering, abolishing the Senate filibuster, term limits on the Supreme Court, and replacing the Electoral College with a direct popular vote.

How might Trump's second administration affect democracy?

Trump is likely to weaken the civil service, pack key state agencies with loyalists, and use government agencies as weapons against his rivals, potentially without needing much Republican cooperation.

What indicators would signal a dangerous erosion of democracy?

Dangerous indicators include the use of government agencies to change the behavior of societal actors like media, business, and universities, and potential exemplary punishments of key figures to send a message to others.

Is democracy itself under threat in the U.S.?

While democracy is challenged, it remains the only system that allows for the peaceful removal of bad leaders and protects civil liberties and freedoms, making it superior to authoritarian systems.

How can democracy be saved according to Levitsky and Ziblatt?

Democracy can be saved if voters demand changes to the political system, leading to reforms that make institutions more responsive to popular majorities and protect democratic principles.

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The election of an anti-democratic leader in the U.S. is discussed, focusing on the transformation of the Republican Party and the role of institutions in protecting democracy.
  • Democracy brought an anti-democratic leader to power.
  • The Republican Party has transformed under Trump's control.
  • Institutions are responsible for protecting democracy, not voters.

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American voters have elected a President with broadly, overtly authoritarian aims. It’s hardly the first time that the democratic process has brought an anti-democratic leader to power. The political scientists Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt, who both teach at Harvard, assert that we shouldn’t be shocked by the Presidential result. “It's not up to voters to defend a democracy,” Levitsky says. “That’s asking far, far too much of voters, to cast their ballot on the basis of some set of abstract principles or procedures.” He adds, “With the exception of a handful of cases, voters never, ever—in any society, in any culture—prioritize democracy over all else. Individual voters worry about much more mundane things, as is their right. It is up to élites and institutions to protect democracy—not voters.” Levitsky and Ziblatt published “How Democracies Die)” during Donald Trump’s first Administration, but they argue that what’s ailing our democracy runs much deeper—and it didn’t start with Trump. “We’re the only advanced, old, rich democracy that has faced the level of democratic backsliding that we’ve experienced…. So we need to kind of step back and say, ‘What has gone wrong here?’ If we don’t ask those kinds of hard questions, we’re going to continue to be in this roiling crisis,” Ziblatt says.