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Rachel Maddow on the Fascist Threat in America, Then and Now

2024/11/4
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Rachel Maddow: 美国当前面临的法西斯主义威胁并非孤立事件，而是与美国历史上反复出现的法西斯主义浪潮相连。从1939年德国美国联盟在麦迪逊广场花园的集会到如今川普的集会，历史的相似性令人担忧。她认为，川普及其支持者所宣扬的‘让美国再次伟大’的口号，实质上是法西斯主义的翻版，旨在利用民众对国家衰落和社会问题的焦虑，煽动对少数群体的仇恨，最终通过非常手段夺取和巩固权力。她强调，对抗法西斯主义的关键在于勇敢，不屈服于恐惧，并对法西斯主义者表达应有的蔑视。她通过讲述历史上的反法西斯斗士的故事，以及采访那些在当代勇敢站出来对抗法西斯主义威胁的普通美国人的经历，来激励人们积极参与到维护民主的斗争中。 David Remnick: 作为访谈者，David Remnick主要通过提问引导Rachel Maddow阐述其观点，并就相关历史事件和社会现象进行深入探讨。他与Rachel Maddow就法西斯主义的定义、历史渊源、以及在当代美国政治中的表现形式等问题进行了深入的探讨。他同时也表达了对美国当前政治局势的担忧，并强调了历史学习的重要性。

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Why does Rachel Maddow believe that the threat of authoritarianism in America is not foreign but a recurring issue?

Maddow argues that authoritarianism in America is a recurring, ebbing, and flowing tide that has been faced in multiple generations, not a foreign import.

What historical event does Maddow draw a parallel to when discussing Trump's rallies?

Maddow compares Trump's rallies to the 1939 German-American Bund rally at Madison Square Garden, highlighting the historical resonance of such events.

How does Maddow describe the messaging that brings fascists to power?

Maddow explains that fascists claim power by asserting a nation in decline, victimization by traitors, and the need to root out an all-powerful enemy within, often advocating for extraordinary means, possibly involving violence.

What is Maddow's view on the role of billionaires in the current political climate?

Maddow criticizes billionaires for their fear of losing what they have, calling them sniveling cowards and arguing that their fear is not helpful to anyone, especially in the face of authoritarianism.

What does Maddow suggest as a counter to the authoritarian message?

Maddow advocates for a message of strength and refusing to be afraid, drawing inspiration from regular Americans who stand up for truth despite the risks.

How does Maddow feel about covering the upcoming election?

Maddow admits to leaving her body emotionally halfway through the primaries and plans to stay detached until Inauguration Day, reflecting the high stakes and emotional toll of the coverage.

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Rachel Maddow discusses the historical context of fascism in America and whether Donald Trump fits the definition of a fascist.
  • General John Kelly and Mark Milley labeled Trump as a fascist.
  • Maddow's podcast 'Ultra' and book 'Prequel' explore historical far-right movements.
  • Trump's actions and rhetoric align with fascist messaging.

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It made news when the retired general John Kelly, Donald Trump’s longest-serving chief of staff, said that the former President fit the definition of a fascist. The MSNBC host Rachel Maddow could hardly be blamed if she said, I told you so. Maddow’s podcast “Ultra” and her book “Prequel)” detail the history of Nazi and far-right movements in America in the twentieth century—and the people who fought them. “When we talk about making America great again and we talk about the threat of an authoritarian takeover in the United States in the form of Trumpism, it is not something foreign,” Maddow explained to David Remnick last week at The New Yorker Festival. “It is something that’s coming from a fascist place that is a recurring, ebbing, and flowing tide that we’ve faced in multiple generations.”