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Liz Cheney on Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, and Jeff Bezos

2024/11/1
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David Remnick：采访围绕着对特朗普的广泛批评展开，许多共和党官员和军事将领都公开谴责特朗普，认为其对国家安全构成威胁，不适合担任公职，甚至有人将其称为法西斯主义者。Liz Cheney在1月6日事件后投票弹劾特朗普，并担任众议院1月6日袭击事件特别委员会副主席，这导致她失去了在国会中的席位。采访还探讨了美国政治中前所未有的党派对抗，以及对特朗普的评价。 Liz Cheney：Cheney认为，特朗普的第二个任期对美国女性意味着什么，是影响人们投票的关键因素。许多女性关注德克萨斯州和北卡罗来纳州等地州议会阻止女性获得基本医疗保健的举动。她相信，最终，女性选民的比例将足以让哈里斯胜选。她还强调，美国能否生存取决于是否选举那些遵守就职誓言的人。她与哈里斯在许多问题上存在分歧，但她相信哈里斯会为国家做正确的事情，并遵守宪法。她认为，那些曾经支持妮基·黑利的选民，最终会投票给哈里斯，而不是特朗普。她毫不犹豫地谴责特朗普的行为具有法西斯主义特征，并指出哈里斯获得了前所未有的来自共和党人的支持，即使在共和党地区，也有共和党人公开表示支持哈里斯。她认为如果麦康奈尔投票定罪特朗普，现在的局面就不会发生，并批评麦康奈尔最初试图忽视特朗普，但后来却选择支持他，这缺乏勇气。她认为华盛顿邮报拒绝刊登对哈里斯的背书，是因为害怕特朗普，而贝佐斯害怕特朗普的行为证明了特朗普的危险性，缺乏勇气会助长专制统治。她回顾了她之前支持特朗普的原因，并解释说，特朗普的言论，例如终止宪法或动用武力对付国内敌人，并非虚言。她还谈到了她父亲毫不犹豫地反对特朗普，但她不理解布什总统为何没有这样做。她认为特朗普利用了人们对华盛顿政府漠视他们诉求的担忧。她还批评政治家们长期以来互相攻击，导致选民对政治警告麻木。她认为许多共和党议员为了连任而放弃了自己的原则，许多国会议员为了取悦特朗普而做出违法的事情。她认为人们会犯错，也会改变主意，并谈到了她对反犹太主义的立场。她还反思了她过去说过的一些话，并表示她希望自己没有那样做过很多次。她认为政治家们应该避免仅仅因为观点来自另一方就反对它。她认为共和党现在对反犹太主义的纵容是可耻的。她认为共和党议员未能尽职是导致美国面临深渊边缘的主要原因之一。 Liz Cheney: Cheney's perspective centers on the dangers of a second Trump term, particularly its implications for women and their access to healthcare. She highlights the importance of electing individuals who uphold their oaths of office and emphasizes her belief in Vice President Harris's commitment to the Constitution, despite disagreeing on certain issues. Cheney strongly criticizes the Washington Post's decision not to endorse Harris, attributing it to fear of Trump. She reflects on her past support for Trump, explaining the miscalculation of believing his words were not to be taken literally. She contrasts her father's unwavering opposition to Trump with her confusion over George W. Bush's silence. Cheney discusses the erosion of trust in Washington and the tendency of politicians to engage in personal attacks rather than substantive debate. She points to the complicity of elected Republicans in enabling Trump's actions and the moral compromises made in the pursuit of re-election. She acknowledges past mistakes in her own rhetoric and emphasizes the need for a more collaborative and policy-focused political discourse. Cheney condemns the Republican Party's tolerance of anti-Semitism and underscores the severity of the situation, warning of the potential for disastrous consequences if Trump is re-elected.

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Why did Liz Cheney vote to impeach Donald Trump?

She believed he was a security threat unfit for office after the January 6th insurrection.

Why did Liz Cheney lose her seat in Congress?

Wyoming voters rejected her after she voted to impeach Trump.

Why is Liz Cheney campaigning for Kamala Harris?

She believes Harris is a stable, responsible adult who will abide by the Constitution.

Why does Liz Cheney think women will vote for Kamala Harris?

She believes women are concerned about health care restrictions and the impact of a second Trump term.

Why did Liz Cheney choke up during her speech with Kamala Harris?

The moment was unexpectedly moving, especially with her daughter present and hearing the crowd chant 'thank you, Liz.'

Why did Liz Cheney cancel her subscription to The Washington Post?

She was disappointed by Jeff Bezos' decision to block the endorsement of Kamala Harris due to fear of Trump.

Why does Liz Cheney think Donald Trump is dangerous?

He inspires fear and autocratic behavior, as evidenced by Bezos' reluctance to endorse Harris.

Why did Liz Cheney regret supporting Donald Trump?

She realized he meant his extreme statements, unlike her previous belief that he didn't really mean them.

Why does Liz Cheney think Mitch McConnell endorsed Trump?

McConnell initially ignored Trump, hoping he'd go away, but eventually endorsed him out of political necessity.

Why does Liz Cheney think some Republicans supported Trump despite knowing his dangers?

They rationalized their actions, believing they were doing 'one more thing' for Trump to gain his support.

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Liz Cheney discusses the unprecedented wave of security and military officials and Republican politicians declaring Donald Trump a security threat, unfit for office, and even a fascist.
  • Prominent security and military officials and Republican politicians have come out against Donald Trump.
  • Liz Cheney voted to impeach Trump after the January 6th insurrection.
  • Cheney served as vice-chair of the House Select Committee on the January 6th attack.

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In recent weeks and months, dozens of prominent security and military officials and Republican politicians have come out against Donald Trump, declaring him a security threat, unfit for office, and, in some cases, a fascist. Way out in front of this movement was Liz Cheney. Up until 2021, she was the third-ranking Republican in Congress, but after the January 6th insurrection she voted to impeach Trump. She then served as vice-chair of the House Select Committee on the January 6th attack. She must have expected it would cost her the midterms and her seat in Congress, which ended up being the case when Wyoming voters rejected her in 2022. Since then, Cheney has gone further, campaigning forcefully on behalf of Vice-President Harris. David Remnick spoke with Cheney last week at The New Yorker Festival, shortly after Jeff Bezos, owner of the Washington Post, blocked its planned endorsement of Harris. “It absolutely proves the danger of Donald Trump,” Cheney said. “When you have Jeff Bezos apparently afraid to issue an endorsement for the only candidate in the race who’s a stable, responsible adult, because he fears Donald Trump, that tells you why we have to work so hard to make sure that Donald Trump isn’t elected,” Cheney told Remnick. “And I cancelled my subscription to the Washington Post.”