John Pudner on GOP's Past & Future and Dawn Hawkins on Big Tech's Role in Sexual Exploitation
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Welcome to another episode of Breaking Battlegrounds with your host, Chuck Warren. I'm Sam Stone.

We have another lineup of fantastic guests for you. And make sure you download and get a hold of our podcast-only segment because those are getting hot. We've got Kylie's Corner leading that off. Fantastic stuff in there for you folks today. Our first guest is going to be John Pudner. He was executive director from 2015 to 2021 of Take Back Our Republic and compiled a perfect record of five statewide referenda wins in different states.

He is one of the only folks who's ever knocked out a actually majority leader in Congress. I think he's the only person. Only person, which is pretty astounding. And he's just got a fantastic background, spent 25 years running Republican political campaigns, including the faith-based turnout in 16 states for George W. Bush.

He has directed the strategy for Republican Dave Brat's historic primary upset we just referenced of Republican Majority Leader Eric Cantor. And in the same period – this is astounding, Chuck, as someone who's dealt with zoning and planning type issues. He also won 185 out of 202 local zoning referenda, which as someone who's dealt with that a lot – John –

You're my hero. John, what's the key to winning those zoning battles when you run a campaign? Well, some of them are townships. So they're literally you're talking about 500 voters. You can knock on every door in 10 of them at a time. So that it's often is just doors. It was always doors and phones, which is what we like to do.

But what is a key message when you do those zoning type of campaigns? I mean, there's a lot of people that listen. And, you know, those elections are more common than people think. And more contentious. And more contentious all the time. We have a lot of contentious issues right now about zoning in the Phoenix metro area. It's a huge thing.

So if you're on the anti-side traffic, if you have a traffic issue, that's the winner. If you can tell people it's going to take you 40 minutes to get to the interstate instead of five, you've got a very good issue. That hits them home. You know, John, you just confirmed one of my thesis with the city of Phoenix and dealing with zoning cases is that opposition to every single case can be broken down to one thing. More people on the road in front of me.

Yes. Very true. You got it. You nailed it. John, you were leading the faith-based effort for George Bush's 43 re-election. When Dobbs' decision came out, Sam and I were on a texting thread with a bunch of consultants. And I just piped up because I had done a lot of voter registration in the past years, including Florida, where we overtook Democrats. So I did a lot with the religious faith-based community.

I said, Sam remembers, like, this is bad for us. And I go, no, no, no, we've got these. They don't exist. They're paper tigers. You're talking specifically about the pro-life organizations around this country. The pro-life groups, yeah. And even a lot of the evangelical churches. They're just not going to do what needs to be done to counter what the left's going to do. Whether it's, you know, I understand they're not going to have the money to counter it.

But they don't even put the people into it. Am I being overly harsh on this, or have you seen a change? I'd be harsher, Chuck. They raise a lot of money. They just don't spend it on it. So have you seen a change in their ability to get things done from, say, 2004 when you led the faith-based effort to today? Because I just think part of this problem is there is no ground troops to protect our candidates. What are your thoughts? Yeah.

you've got it right i'm probably not quite as harsh as i see a couple little beach heads where things are still happening but but it's depressing i mean it's the issue i got into politics on years ago as a youth

And to see evangelical turnout the lowest of any segment by 2020, and you can argue about Trump's personality or whatever, but he delivered three judges and then had barely 50% of evangelicals voted in 2020. So it's discouraging. I think there are a couple of good groups. I mean, my old boss from that,

That real life, you know, Ralph Reed, I think, has a good one going with Faith and Freedom that is doing some building. There's a former employee, Cole Musio, building a front line in Georgia. So I can pick out these specific cases, but overall, it's incredibly flat for what's been accomplished. Yeah. And they just don't have the financial resources to compete with what they're getting from millionaires, hedge funds on the East Coast, West Coast and so forth. It's I just I think this is an issue we're just going to lose on. And people are going to say, well, it's all about principle.

Well, all due respect, principle also means freedom of religion. It means Second Amendment. It means First Amendment. And they just don't understand that this has a domino effect if you're not willing to go and win on this issue and do what it takes to win it because you're electing people then. Because, you know, for example, we just talked about the state senator in Virginia who has her little, you know. We will be talking in the podcast. Yeah, yeah, in the podcast. But, you know, she had that little issue out there. And so she's trying to make it about abortion now. Right. Right.

You know, and it's like it moves. What you do statistics. How much does abortion move people? It was tough. What we saw last year was 29 percent voted with abortion as their primary issue. And that was 23 percent voted because they're pro-choice, 6 percent because they're pro-life.

I mean, it was destruction. And then you add to that just the lack of understanding of how Dodge changed things. You've got to make a rape and incest exception. I mean, you just start with that. I mean, there's no longer a viable, no exception that can win.

And, you know, there was a pastor in Wisconsin type race who, as soon as that exception was made, his 30,000 or something saying, well, don't vote for either candidate. They're both murderers now. One makes a rape and incest exception. One is abortion to birth. I mean, you can't win if that's the backdrop. That's one of the points that I was going to bring up, John and Chuck, is that here in Arizona, we have the and I'll call them out on this by name, the Center for Arizona Policy.

is the leading pro-life group in the state. They raise a lot of money. They put out a candidate survey where they don't even give you the option to say, I mean, they are very clear that they will not give you their paper endorsement if you are for those exceptions. It is the first place every single Democrat in this state goes to make an attack ad against their Republican opponent.

Yeah.

And they are costing us seats year after year, cycle after cycle. And it's massively worse since Dodds. And we're not Alabama. No. I mean, so there's just not there's not that evangelical religious tide here in Arizona. There was a thing that came out. Arizona is actually one of the least religious states in the country. It's more of a libertarian bent than anything else. That's the religion here. John, you were the chief strategist, I believe, for.

when you beat Eric Cantor, he was the majority leader in 2014. What did you see in that campaign that you were able to say that mirrors what Donald Trump did in 16? Was that the beginning of something there? And then my second question to you after that is,

I believe Congressman Pratt lost a year later or two, right? Election or two later. He did have one reelect. Yeah, I wasn't working with him after that. So he did get one. Do we sometimes do races like this? I mean, this is a this is a notch on your your belt. Right. But do you look back and say and I believe that seat has been Democrat since. Is that true? Yes. Except for one more term. So. So I want to I want to first talk about the signs for Donald Trump and the second of all,

Do conservatives need to understand more of the districts? What can stay there and get done long term versus a one and out? But let's first start with the congressman. And was that a sign, an opening for the populism of Donald Trump? It really was a precursor. I took in my first little poll results to Dave Brad and said, great news. And he said, how did the polls look? I said, great. We're losing 66 to 8, which he didn't think was good news. I don't want to chuck that out of him's

I said, but my next question is, do you want someone who's well-connected and get things done for the district? Or do you want someone who will stand up for conservative principles against leadership? And we won that one 72 to something. So I said, we have the issue. You know, this is a very simple message. Say, viewcanner is out of touch. And, you know, we don't need a lot of money to pound that. We had 200 people knocking on doors for free. I mean, I don't know if that's happened since then.

So, you know, we can get it out. So the interesting thing is the election night as it rolled in, one of my first calls was from Steve Bannon. And Bannon wanted to know how we'd done it, how we pulled it off. And he said at the end,

I'm going to elect a president. Same way. I said, who do you have in mind? And his first answer is actually, well, I've got two. I think we'll do it. He said, Sarah Palin. I said, Steve, Sarah Palin will never win another race in her life. I mean, she's a great leader in a lot of things. She's got a 65% unfaved in Alaska. I mean, she just she can't win a race. He said, well, my other one's Donald Trump. Of course, my question then was, is he even conservative? Like, are you serious? But

But Bannon did call it. He didn't call me back when he got campaign to go back over the day. So I really did get lucky in catching kind of the beginning of that populist wave, I think, you know, two years early there. Well, so so so then we'll go back to the question about do Republicans do conservatives need to be more strategic on candidates that not only can win and be conservative, but

but can keep the seat for a while, right? So you go and you have this big victory, and look, it was a big victory. But then an election later, he's gone. So was the battle worth it? Because now we've lost this seat that probably Cantor would probably have been there another 10 years if he wanted to be, right? Now he's just making millions of dollars and having a good old time. He's probably grateful. He probably put you on his Christmas card because he's having such a good life now. But...

You understand what I'm saying? It's sort of like conservatives have this great talking point they love to say over and over. I'm going to read the Department of Education. There is never going to be 60 Ted Cruz's and Mike Lee's in the U.S. Senate. That Department of Education is going nowhere. As much as Vivek likes to tell us he can just do an executive order, it ain't happening. What are your thoughts? I mean, you're an old hand at this. You've done it a long time. You've had a lot of victories. Tell me where I'm wrong.

I think it's a very fair point. I would say that, yeah, that district did change some. Maybe Cantor could have held it. I think it's another reason I take a couple of outside the box positions on how we do primaries. I mean, some of them aren't popular with conservatives. But if your next election is always about winning the 10 percent in the primary, I think that can set you up for a tough one. Do you have a candidate who's not viable with a general election long term?

So I think those are very fair points. And who knows? You can't replay history. Woodcanner still been around. Maybe what up? You know, my father was an American history teacher, always told me no one ever thinks of the day after the revolution. That's been an adage forever. It's great to win. Victory night's great. Oh, we got to rule things now. So I think I think we had a recent example of that by Iraq.

Yeah, great example. It was sort of the candidate Robert Redford when he wins, he pulls his consultant and says, now what? Yes. We never really think about plan B, right? Yes. Tell us, we got a minute left here before we take a break for the segment. Tell us a little bit about your group and where we can find you and how they can volunteer.

Sure. It's takebackaction.org. So just three words, take back action. Stands for take back our republic action. So the republic's a key part, just doesn't fit nicely in the URL. But that's where people go. We set up state groups. We're very grassroots oriented. So once we have a certain number in a state or area, we'll plan an event there and I think build out some solutions for real conservative reform.

Fantastic. Fantastic. Folks, we're going to be coming back with more from John Pudner in just a moment. And then make sure you stay tuned for our second two segments with Don Hawkins, CEO of the National Center on Sexual Exploitation. Tough discussion, but worth it, folks. So stay tuned. Breaking Battlegrounds coming right back.

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and a system called the Final Five for future elections. So let's first start with campaign contribution reform. What are you proposing? I just think we have to, conservatives, be open to some kind of limits on contributions. You know, after Citizens United, everyone popped champagne bottles and said, hey, look, now conservatives have a huge edge, which they did for a handful of years. But any of us who've run campaigns know we're outspent three to one all the time now.

So I just I get nervous. People say we can't even talk about that. I mean, I know, you know, the people out there want to make lots of money on campaigns and for them, no limits is great. But but we're just being bludgeoned out there. And, you know, it didn't start turn about 2015. But I just think we need to be open. And the idea that the legislature shouldn't have any ability, I think, is a problem, even though I'm counter to most conservatives in my thinking. But if you're a king for the day, what would be your campaign contribution regulations laws?

Mine is mainly a states' rights thing. I just think states should be able to frame their own, and legislators should have that ability. And that's where I run counter to some who say this is pure freedom, just to give the devil's advocate, this is pure freedom of speech, this is another way of freedom of speech. I understand that, but I just think it can be a little absolutist.

um, to where I'd like to see a legislature Congress be able to talk through these, not that Congress ever passes anything, but you know, at least be able to discuss it. I take a very different approach on this. Um, I see the same problem you do. And one of the things I've said is I think we should get rid of all of these packs and outside organizations, but allow unlimited donations to the candidates directly with very quick disclosure, like 24 hours on anything over a certain amount. Right. Um,

And just make it very public. So if a candidate wants to take $10 million from a rich uncle, they're going to have to answer for that directly. They can't hide it behind a pack. Right.

I think you've got the best reform right there. If this were opened up, we could do it. Absolutely. Because then you're actually accountable for the ads you run. You know, right now, the reason ads are so negative is because they're by third parties and they have no connection to the candidate. We all know that. You know, when we had to go actually convince a candidate and sometimes a spouse to let us run something, you know, I hated it. But, you know, it probably was good tempering and tempering what you're getting hit back with. So I would be all for your proposal.

if we could go unlimited but yes accountable for what's out there it's got your paid for line on it and stop all the third party groups you did a study um a couple years ago about act blue about campaign contributions do you want to give our folks a little bit more about what you found and what you think's happened since has it gotten worse i i think it's still bad we we got some good attention to it during the 2020 race but yeah this was billions of dollars from act blue

Using a setup, the only setup I know of where when you make a credit card contribution, they don't want your CVV or address or anything. I mean, just the basic security anyone else would want when processing a credit card.

And what we discovered is almost half of their donors did not list an employer, which says to me, Chinese programmer putting money in. Because if you don't have to put anything on a credit card, you can do gift cards, you can make billions of dollars, etc. So I think it's money coming in from China. Now, we'll never know how much. Is that 3% of their billions? Is that 10%? I have no idea. But it's so easy. And Peter Schweitzer and I did an early study on that where a programmer told us after looking at one of their pages,

Literally that night, he built a system that would have moved $10 million a day into an account if you just gave him money and fake American names. So it's part of us getting bludgeoned. I mean, there's obviously the Soros and the other money, but ActBlue is another reason we're getting just killed. Yeah, I have a hard time believing Democrats have that many –

They don't. White suburban women just sitting at a computer doing $2,500 contributions all day. Well, I mean, James O'Keefe did the expose where he went to a bunch of their houses and was like, hey, according to the records, you've made 185 donations.

Yes. And these folks are like, I've never given a dime. And what's amazing has been no follow up on it. All right, let's go. We're limited time left here. Let's talk about your final five for future elections. Explain to folks what you're thinking. How does that solve the problem? I was talking about the Cantor District. Let's just let's talk about it.

Yeah. So I think you could argue that we'd have a 53-47 Republican Senate now if they came to a final five system. I wasn't for this until a couple of years ago. But what's happening is the Democrats are spending more in our primary sometimes than we are. I mean, Pritzer spent $20 million on his Republican opponent's primary in Illinois to make sure he could beat him. You know, pick someone to eat. Now that they basically are taking over our primaries,

I think you just have to open up and say, guys, we're going to keep the top five candidates for either party. Republican, Democrat, you could do an extra independent, you know, or put them all in one or do an independent. I mean, the independents should have to get some votes, too, in a primary. They get a free ride on signatures. And then the issue some have is then at the very end, election day, you have a ranked ballot with those five. Now, some say anything that's ranked, you know, that's a big rallying cry now.

I just argue this is so different than New York ranked choice voting, San Francisco ranked choice, Maine, where it was set up to stop a Republican. This is to make sure they don't eliminate our candidate in the primary with their money and that they don't then also get 3% to go to a conservative independent to siphon off our votes. They win 49-48 like Biden did in Wisconsin and Georgia.

So I think it really works against nothing. I just think Republicans have to be open to thinking of these ideas. Most would be against it flat out. So we got two minutes left here. But so, for example, was it ranked choice voting blame for the Democrats getting the House seat in Alaska? It was absolutely the reason. So how do we answer that? Because we know that's a Republican state.

It's not Democrat. So what do we how do we counter that game, the system effectively? And we don't. Well, we're not very smart. So, well, I just argue they're gaming the current system. And I'd argue that if our candidate has a 60 some percent unfavorable in the state, we're going to have trouble. I just don't think Palin wins under any system. What I like, what I like, though, I see I like the top five thing, but I would go with just whoever gets the most votes out of that top five.

I mean, the ranking is where I would, too. So see, I would support top five. You just took the most votes.

But the problem is, if you run that model, the third, fourth and fifth place in the Wisconsin gubernatorial or Constitution Party pro-life party libertarian. Guess what? They take fifty five thousand votes. Trump loses by twenty thousand to Biden. That's my point. The third, fourth and fifth votes are coming out of our bucket every time. I think this solves that. Well, this would be good for Vegas because they would love to see something like that. John Putner, thanks a million for joining us again. Tell our folks how they get a hold of you and follow you.

Sure. Best is takebackaction.org is the best place to go. Just sign up there. Fantastic. Check that out, takebackaction.org. Chuck is having to step out of the studio now, but we're going to be continuing on here with Don Hawkins, CEO of the National Center on Sexual Exploitation. Maybe you've seen the sound of freedom recently and you're concerned about this issue. You're going to want to stay tuned for this discussion, folks. Breaking Battlegrounds, back in just a moment. Welcome back to Breaking Battlegrounds.

Chuck Warren had to step out of the studio. He's got a meeting he couldn't get out of, so I've got this one...

Not to myself, because fortunately I still have Kylie Kipper in the studio with us and joining us on the line right now, Don Hawkins, CEO of the National Center on Sexual Exploitation. Don, thank you so much for joining us today because there's been a lot of things going on in the news about this right now. There have been some pretty amazing revelations coming from Pornhub and some of these sites.

about how callous they are about knowing, frankly, that women are being raped, young girls are being raped, and those videos are being used on their site for profit. It's really astounding when you see how the scope of this has expanded in recent years. So thank you for joining us today. We very much appreciate having you on the program.

It's great to be with you both. So I kind of led into it a little bit, but big tech is really changing the interaction of a lot of people with sex, with sexual imagery, and changed the nature of exploitation. It's made it real.

remarkably easier to access. Kids are accessing it younger and younger. More and more people are being exploited for this industry. So what has been going on? Tell our folks some of the things that you've been dealing with. And I think you mentioned in our pre-interview discussion that you're actually preparing a lawsuit on some of this stuff as well.

Yeah, well, one thing that many people don't seem to quite understand until you tell them and they have an aha moment is that different forms of sexual abuse and exploitation have really merged in the online space. So prostitution and pornography and sex trafficking, for example, and child sexual abuse have really become one thing.

one entity, one thing. And we've got big websites who are facilitating and profiting from all of it together. Whereas, you know, pre-internet or early internet days, you would have like the prostitution fight, trafficking fight, and then the porn fight. And today it's just all become one. And what we're seeing in particular on these big pornography websites where anybody can upload anything is that they are just rampantly filled with child sexual abuse material or child pornography with

with rape videos, with kind of voyeuristic secret spy camera videos, with revenge pornography and so much more. They are not checking the age or verifying the consent of those depicted. And as a result, thousands of people are being harmed. And that trauma is having lifelong impacts on them.

How much is it different now? Because in some sense, this is a little bit hard for me. And I wish Chuck was here also because he's a few years older than I am. But we both grew up in the era when pornography was a rack of magazines behind black covered plastic at the grocery store. You didn't have this same level of instant access anywhere in the world. How much is this changing children's

interactions with each other sexually with with the world um but also how much is it damaging they're I want to help you all understand too like yeah your first experience with pornography was probably like topless women today that feels like relatively innocent but today the the content that our young people are being exposed to first

is generally what is being demanded of those who have like 40 years of addiction problems. So like the homepage of these pornography websites is delivering a content for those who have been watching porn for decades now. So it's extremely intense and hardcore, extremely violent, seems like incest, race, extremely racist content.

And that's what our young people are seeing first. It's impacting how they view themselves, how they view each other. There's a whole host of ways it's impacting their sexual development and their sexual template. And we have only about a minute and a half left before we go to break. We're going to be coming right back for the long segment. So folks, stay tuned for more with Don Hawkins, CEO of the National Center on Sexual Exploitation. Don, real quick before we go into this commercial here.

How addictive is porn? I mean, you just kind of mentioned that they're serving – these kids are being served up a content that's for people who have been addicted to porn for decades now.

We know that people get more and more radicalized, if you will, on the type of pornography they watch over time. How addictive is it? Exactly. I mean, it's different for everyone, but there are over 400 neurological studies now just since 2013 that show it follows the same addictive patterns as things like gambling or alcohol or drugs. And so there's no longer a debate about whether it's addictive or not.

Many of us have experienced, you know, that dopamine rush and you just want more and more. Our kids can't control that reaction and they seek more. They're curious. They want their brains can't just decide to say no. Most adult brains can't decide to say no to it.

Yeah, gosh, this is I'm looking forward to continuing this discussion here. We're going to break right now. Folks, make sure you stay tuned when we're coming back here. You can catch all our episodes at BreakingBattlegrounds.vote. We're also available on all your favorite podcast platforms. We're going to be coming back with more in just a moment with Don Hawkins, CEO of the National Center on Sexual Exploitation. Be sure to stay tuned.

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Okay, continuing on, Don, as we start this discussion, and I want to get to some of the work you're doing to address some of these issues and try to fight back against these companies. But really, we started out this discussion kind of framing the scope of the problem, and two statistics that I found are just astounding. 13% of all Twitter content is porn, and potentially up to 30% of all internet content.

search activity or internet clicks are on porn sites. This is a massive, massive scope of activity. And that obviously means there's a huge amount of money behind it. And how much are these social media sites spending

being used for grooming? How much are they being used as the hook to get kids onto these other platforms and other sites where they can be exploited or adults to go use and view that content and pay for it? Mm-hmm.

Well, I would say some of the social media websites like Discord, Twitter, Reddit, they actually allow pornography with their terms of service and their policies, their pornography sites themselves. Like there's just as bad of content, like you said, on Twitter. It's so full of it. Twitter is rampant, even with child sexual abuse material. We're actually suing Twitter on behalf of two 13-year-old boys who's

sexual abuse and sex trafficking was filmed and uploaded to Twitter and Twitter so they didn't have to take it down even though they knew they were 13 years old. So I really want to highlight that. Some good news we were seeing when you're talking about kind of the grooming to the pornography websites, but in December,

We got together with like thousands of advocates, Instagram, YouTube and TikTok to completely shut down Pornhub and kick them off of their platforms. And they kicked off all the other mainstream pornography websites. There were 13 million followers on Instagram for Pornhub. They were like one of their best distribution parts.

And tons of them were kids. So getting that down has made a huge difference. And that's what we'll continue to do is pushing these big mainstream social media companies to no longer allow

our children to be exposed to sexually explicit content. But the problem also is that our kids are being groomed directly on these mainstream websites. Like the Twitter case I just told you about, those boys were first targeted on Snapchat. And then the exploitation moved over, stayed on Snapchat and moved over. We've got a number of our clients and survivors we know who were

groomed initially on Roblox, which is an extremely prominent popular game for kids. They have 12.8 million kids on their platform every day who are under age eight years old. And they allow adults to send private messages. They allow adults to directly friend no matter if you turn on the parental controls, they still allow. So there's like thousands of cases of adults grooming children

for sexually explicit sexual abuse. And then it often moves over to these other sites. So this is a roadblocks. This, I am not familiar with this, this site or platform at all. This is a game or thing. And then they're using like the comp, the communications channels in that game.

Yeah, it was a game made for kids initially. There's like that anybody can make a game these fantasy worlds so you can go play. So there's a ton of these games that are sexually explicit themselves. You like go into a strip club, you go into a BDSM place and kids are going into them. Right. And they're like, these are in video games, in video games, not for kids. This is like,

This was initially made for kids under age 13. And there's millions and millions of kids on there. And now this game is trying to have an audience of adults, but they've made all their money because of their child users and they haven't created safe places. But what happens then is these adults will target kids there. They'll play with them. They'll tell them they're good. They'll give them coins to play. And that's how the grooming starts. They get their trust.

Parents will think that they're just like one of our clients. The mother would just only let her 10-year-old daughter play when she's folding laundry in the living room with her daughter right next to her. And yet her daughter was groomed and targeted by the worst of the worst humans that you could imagine. And she was horrifically exploited.

Her exploitation was then moved over to Snapchat, Instagram, and Twitter, where they got the girl to create child sexual abuse material. She became suicidal. It's so bad. And she's one of so many that we hear. I mean, almost every day I'm hearing this case that's almost the same. My complaint is, yeah, the big pornography websites are terrible.

wreaking havoc and we're fighting them and we're seeing progress, but we have to go after the mainstream social media websites that are allowing our children to fall prey to so many predators and abuse. And so you mentioned that you are working on a lawsuit against Twitter and some of these others. Um, what, what can be done to fight back against this and to protect children and adults too, but, but

Obviously, I think most people, if we can start with protecting the kids, that's a pretty darn good step to start with. The lawsuits are opening up. They're bringing so much energy. So all of you, I invite you to support the lawsuits if you feel like you know people who are potential plaintiffs. But also we have this huge grassroots army going after kids.

companies and demanding that they change. Just late last week, Snapchat announced massive changes on their platform to protect teens, defaulting more to safety automatically for their younger users, not allowing adults to send messages to them. This is huge, but it

It's unfortunate that it takes thousands of us fighting for years, but now we're finally seeing this change. There's also some legislation, there's huge legislation moving in the state and at the federal level. There's one bill called the Kids Online Safety Act, which has complete bipartisan support. I mean, when do our legislators agree on anything? But this is one. And it would create this like duty of care and minimum standards across the mainstream social media.

websites to prioritize child safety. So I urge you to ask your members to support and vote yes on COSA and another one called the EARN IT Act. What would be some of those things that they could do, the steps that these companies could take?

Wonderful. Well, and the initial like the most the easiest one is stop allowing adults to interact with our children. Stop allowing them to send private direct messages. That's the worst. Another is to give us give us as parents. I'm a mom of five. I care so much. I want to protect my kids, but I have almost no tools because it takes 31 steps on Apple to turn on the parental control.

That's ridiculous. On Roblox, if I want to turn it on, I could turn on all the primal controls, but people can still friend my child. So as parents, we don't have the power and the tools that we need. So help me beg tech to give us as parents the tools to protect our kids.

And I assume if people go to your organization's website, they can learn about how to participate and how to help both, you know, doing all of this kind of stuff you just mentioned in terms of if there are victims out there that can be brought forward, but also in terms of putting pressure on these tech companies. So how do they find you and your work online? Thank you. I forgot to say it's at nsexualexploitation.org.

And you can find a whole bunch of actions. There's over 80 things. And we've set up these accounts so you can send petitions and emails directly to the executives. They hate it. But then they change and they listen. Oh, that's fantastic. One of the things that occurred to me as you're doing this and saying, hey, we shouldn't be able to send messages to kids. Adults shouldn't be able to send messages to kids, which is perfect common sense to me. I don't know.

I can't think of one good reason any strange adult would have for interacting with any child online ever. I mean, quite frankly, there's no excuse for that. But how do we stop somebody from going on and creating an account as a 12-year-old?

You know what? People think that, but I've been meeting with Instagram and Snapchat quarterly for like six years now, and they can detect age line to like 99% accuracy. So why are they not doing that across the board? So the technology is so good. They know, they know based on your actions on other websites and the type of language you're using, they could cut that down tremendously if they enforce that kind of rule.

And to me, I think a lot of it is we have to start creating financial disincentives for these companies, like through lawsuits and through laws. I mean, at the end of the day, you know,

I guess part of my concern here is that so many of these businesses now have relocated overseas into jurisdictions which they believe will protect them from U.S. law enforcement and from others. But they are still dependent economically on a lot of activity that occurs in this country that we could regulate, right?

Exactly. Here's something so encouraging. We went after the payment, how Pornhub was making money. We went to MasterCard, Visa, Discover and PayPal, and they all cut ties with Pornhub. Now you can only use cryptocurrency on their site. They laid off 80 percent of their employees because since the credit cards cut. And so that's exactly what we should do. We have to go after their advertisers, their partners. We've gotten Kraft Heinz.

wish a whole bunch to stop running ads, that's 50 percent of their revenue. That's what's making a huge difference. So that's why we started these lawsuits. It was like not enough to have the public shaming and we need to hit them where it hurts, which is the pocketbook. And we're winning even if the companies are located overseas. So far, the lawsuits we filed are moving forward in the courts. So very nice. OK.

So honestly, this is a lot of this is kind of hard for me to understand because it's such a different world from the one that I grew up in and the one I think a lot of adults grew up in. You know, but one of the things that I think is difficult in in this fight is that a lot of parents don't realize how much their child is being exposed to every day online and

Exactly.

And for the first time in the last 20 plus years, I've seen this sort of shift where there are young people who are pushing back against this sexual culture, exploitation culture that has developed. How much do we need to focus on trying to educate, inform parents, inform children, get them involved in actively understanding the risks that are out there?

and what that may mean for their life if they are exploited and exposed to this type of material. Wow.

I mean, I just see like the hope, the hope that I see abroad is, is the voice of our youth, because I'm talking to I'm getting calls from them every day, who are they're outraged that adults have allowed this to happen to them. And they're the ones who are like, coming with me to Snapchat and Instagram and TikTok demanding better. That is what's changing everything. And I just think, yeah, the answer is with parents, let's get mad and

and let's demand better. Not only just like awareness and information, but we can change and demand a better world. These tech platforms are changing quickly. Like earlier this year, Google with like massive campaign again for years,

They decided to blur all sexually explicit photos and videos that come up in Google search, Google images. I mean, how many kids first see hardcore violent pornography because of Google image search? Something innocent. But it was parents and kids who forced Google to do that. So I just think we need awareness, but we need to move them to action. And they are ready to act because they're outraged about what's happening to their family.

Okay. We have just about one minute before we come to the end of the program on air here. Dawn, again, please give folks the information on how they can follow you and all of your work because I think it's so important that especially parents and kids, they connect with you and what you're doing so they can help participate in this fight.

So great. Well, I ask you all to follow us on social media. Our email, we send like an email every week with actions you can take, like going right after these companies and looking for legislation. So go to insexualexploitation.org and join me. We need you.

And folks, we're going to share all of that information via the Breaking Battlegrounds social media sites. So if you're following us, you'll have those links right there so you can get a hold of Dawn and her organization and help get involved in this fight. Because right now we are allowing things to happen to our children that we should be very grateful didn't happen to all of us out there who are a little bit older. Breaking Battlegrounds, be sure you tune in for the podcast segment.

Welcome to the podcast segment of Breaking Battlegrounds. We are going to launch with our new feature from the irrepressible Kylie Kipper. It is Kylie's Corner. My favorite time. What have we cornered today? All right. So first, Chuck's laughing. I don't know why. Because you're fired up. You're fired up. I'm fired up. Well, a couple weeks ago, there was a

airport employee that fired me up speaking of. Oh, what happened? Um, they were just rude for no, it's Atlanta airport, which I feel like everyone there is kind of rude. So that just fired. They actually are very rude in Atlanta. You know where they're really nice at Phoenix. They are actually, well, they're very nice at Phoenix. Um,

Atlanta, though, that's kind of an Atlanta thing. Like, it's not the rest of Georgia. It's sort of interesting to me when you're there. Like, Atlanta is totally rude, and the rest of Georgia is, like, super polite, bless your heart. Because Southern Charm's real. Yeah. Go ahead, Kylie. Well, anyway, so then that just kind of fired me up about...

airports in general. Then I saw a news headline that said Delta worker accused of stealing $258,000 in a bag from JFK, which I went to look further into this. And it's kind of funny. They got caught because they left in the getaway car. They left the bag tag because the person had checked this money. So they left the bag tag in the back of the car. Anyways, then I see another report of two TSA agents who were accused of stealing money in the Miami airport. This was just reported on either yesterday or the day before.

Which then I was like looking into it. I'm like, how often does this occur of them either stealing money or any kind of misconduct? Because I was looking into their punishment and one of the guys pled guilty saying they stole him and another guy stole more than a thousand dollars a day.

So he pled guilty to this. Wait, how were they doing this? Is this in the back in baggage or is this out front at like the TSA check? This is out front in front of us. We're putting our, you know, we're taking our personal bag off and putting it through TSA and they're taking cash out of it. And they said up to a thousand dollars a day of just taking cash out of people's bags. What? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So and his one guy pled guilty. The other guy has it. So his punishment is not.

Known yet. Known yet, yeah. However, the guy that pled guilty is due to pay the victim $700. Two different victims. $700.

$700 in total with 25 hours of community service. So that was his punishment for this. It probably still has this job too because he's a government worker. Probably, yeah. So I look into this and there hasn't been much reporting since 2016 on misconduct for TSA agents specifically. Gee, I wonder why. But since 2012, misconduct, or 2002 to 2005, so three years ago,

the misconduct increased 28%. Then I found another study from 2013 to 2015, where those three years again, it increases 28%. So I'm assuming this is probably an increasing topic of every year it's probably increasing. Well, here's an interesting number. Loose change scooped up by TSA officials in 2019 was $926,000.

I mean, that's what they reported. Yeah. I mean, during the pandemic 2020, it was $517,000. Again, that's what's reported. You know, and look, I would say a majority of the TSA folks are honest. I don't want to do that. But, you know, there are some sticky fingers there, right? It's human nature. We deal with it all the time in business. There's somebody has sticky fingers and probably, I don't know, a small percentage does it. It is. And

It's hard to – I know from Phoenix, it's really hard to hire for those TSA positions because they're not good jobs. What do they pay an hour? They tend to be in the $18 to $20 an hour type range. I mean, you know, it's not – you can get more if you're a supervisor, that kind of thing. But the frontline workers are not paid that much from the TSA. And dealing with a lot of grumpy people, which makes you more inclined saying, I deserve this, right? Because they're such jerks I'm dealing with daily. Right.

And, you know, look, I think it's two-sided. I think TSA has been a mess since its inception. If you go, one of my complaints, I know you travel a lot more than I do, but one of my complaints, Chuck, is that every bloody airport, the rules in that line are different or are interpreted differently. It depends. It depends on the supervisor. Yeah. I mean, it really does. So, well, Kylie, I understand. So what was your experience, though, that set you off with this? Oh, my experience. Oh, my gosh. So the guy...

I totally lost track. I wanted to upgrade my seat because, you know, when I'm buying my ticket, I'm like, I'll suck it up and just sit in the very back. But then when it comes to it, I'm like, I need a little, I'm tall. I'm six foot, six feet tall. So I need some extra leg room. So I went up and I was like, can I pay to have a better seat? And the guy's like, no, I'm assigning right now. And I'm like, well, I can still do it on the app. So technically I could buy it right now on the app and have it done.

he's like no that's not happening whatever i was like okay fine i'll accept it i get it and then he's like if you check your bag early you can board earlier so i was like at least i'll get on the plane whatever so i offered to check my bag early and he's like i need to scan your ticket so he scans my ticket and goes oh great he throws his arms up he's like you started the check-in process i was like i did what and he's like you started the check-in process now i have to call the tower just go stand over there against the wall i was like

you took in my, I was like, okay. So then he's like over, he's like on the phone. He's like, I'm on with the control tower. I was like, sorry. And he goes, what did you say? I said, sorry. Like I didn't, I don't know what you're talking about, dude. I don't know how to start the check-in process. Like, and he just put the whole blame on me. I checked my bag early, never let me board early. I boarded with my group and I was just like,

Wait, also, okay, okay. This guy, I'm calling bull. Thank God this is the, wait, this is the podcast segment. I can see it. I'm calling bullshit. You're not on with the fucking control tower over somebody's bag. And he's like looking at me like, I'm on with the control tower. I was like, and then he yelled at this like little old couple because they had their tickets switched. And I'm like, and he's like, everyone have their correct ticket. And I'm like,

Dude, why are you yelling at everyone? They're two little old couple. They're like 80 years old and they had like they're standing next to each other. It really doesn't matter if their tickets are switched. Who cares? Two tickets right there. They made it through TSA. Yeah. Like what is your issue now? They made it past. Now we have to face a whole nother group. Yeah. So, you know, this might be a longer investigation for me because it does say over half of TSA employees have a misconduct report on their employees.

Well, again, if they're not paying them that much, and I bet the training is not great, and that's too bad. If you're going to do it, they should be trained better, and they should be paid better. Yes. Right? But misconduct report may also be a little bit misleading. Because it could be anybody complaining about something. Yeah, especially because they're doing the pat-downs and all that kind of thing. Yeah, that's true. The number of BS complaints.

and allegations that are going to get thrown at them are just enormous. I mean, you got to figure, I get through, I get a pat down, as much as like, you know, 200,000 miles a year, I get pat down

three, four times a year. Right. And I have always felt they were very, do you want to go somewhere else? Do you, I mean, I think they go through all the proper training on that. I've never felt like they're taking advantage. I've never felt the weirdos. I have never felt uncomfortable about it at all. I just do it in front of everybody. Right. Let's just do it. Don't bring me to a room. That's weird. Yeah. Don't put me around.

Let's talk about—we're going to get back more to Kylie and her complaints about life here briefly. Let's talk about—so as you know, Hunter Biden was indicted this week on three gun charges. The amazing thing is David Weiss, who is now the special prosecutor—

He dwaddled so much on this that they now can't indict for the tax things because – or the irregularities because of the statute of limitations. Well, that was intentional. Very much so. Yeah. And so when people – Democrats say, well, look, they're indicting – no, they've done –

Every charge that could be connected to President Biden. And again, I don't know if he's guilty or not. Right. But, you know, and Democrats try to make a point. He there's no evidence that he took money personally. That's true. There hasn't been any money. But we know this.

There's many times I have worked and sent projects to a former employee or somebody to benefit them. There's no different – look, when you're taking care of a family member, you're taking care of yourself. But also I would say that there actually is – I think Democrats are lying about that because there's numerous evidence from Hunter's laptop where he complains to other family members about having to pay for the family including his father's –

I think Joe Biden's shady, period. I don't think there's any – He's dirty. I think he's always been shady. I think he is old school Chicago politics, grease each other's hands. He is a liar. He is corrupt. I don't think there's any question about these things at this point. I mean this man – he's also not here with us anymore. I mean – No, no. That press conference that they held in Thailand was so embarrassing.

I mean, if you're a China, North Korea, Russia, you're looking at that and laughing and just planning your next aggressive steps because you have no fear of this president. Exactly. 100%. And what was it? There was an article this week by a former conservative who Trump broke. What is her name? I'm trying to think. Mona Sharan. Remember her? Oh, yeah. Yep. She...

He came out this week and said the White House and his handlers are doing a misservice by not having him out there more. He's absolutely fine. So people just jumped all over him. I loved your response on Twitter, by the way. Yeah. And Charlie Sykes, who is at Bulwark, who used to be a very prominent conservative talk show host in Wisconsin, Ron Johnson can give a lot of his credit to being elected Senate, Charles. He even says she must be smoking something, you know. And –

Well, maybe it's reverse English because it's like you said. Absolutely. Let's send him out there. Let's no basement campaign. And then let's see where this is. Well, I talked to a friend that used to be in this anti-Trump group. Still doesn't love Trump, but he's just realizing he is realizing dealing with these characters is.

That a lot of them become grifters, that there's no ideological anchor to them. And so he's flipped back. I mean, and he's very upset about it. Right. Till doesn't like Trump, thinks he's corrupt, blah, blah, blah. But it's like, I'm not doing this this path again. Right. Biden's horrible. Right. And I asked him about it because he knows her and he's in the think tank business out there. And he said, Chuck, it's just groupthink.

They're not venturing outside. It's their little think tank Georgetown cocktail circuit

And they just all talk to each other about the evilness of Donald Trump. And therefore, it shades everything. And he goes, I think Mona is a really honest person. But this has just gone too far. I think even on our side, too, that there's not just a lot of truth to that. But there's a lot of truth to the fact that the people in that circuit on both sides of the aisle have no connection or experience with middle America.

No, no, no. It almost, you can't make a law, but it almost should be a law that if you're at work in D.C. for a period of time, you have to go live somewhere in middle America for four years and get a different job and meet people. It would help tremendously. It would help everything. Same thing for our side as well. Okay, there was an interesting thing that popped up on Bloomberg this morning.

Cocaine is set to become Colombia's main export, overtaking oil as production of the narcotic continues to expand as the government take a more lenient policy regarding drugs.

You know, we have our group chat with friends, and the thing was, this seems like such an 80s problem. It's not. I mean, it's amazing how much drugs have just become common practice now in America and Europe and elsewhere. Well, absolutely. And, you know, I actually kind of tie this back to the discussion we had in the on-air segment with Dawn Hawkins. You know, one of her solutions in dealing with the trafficking issue is that you have to be tougher on the buyers. 100%. Right?

You have to be tougher on the buyers. One of the things, and politically this is a hot potato, nobody wants to touch it, but the only way, given the financial incentive for drug trafficking, the massive profit margins, the fact that the losses they take to Border Patrol and law enforcement are just tax. That's a tax. That's no different than Microsoft paying their tax to the governments of the world for these organizations. The only way you reduce demand is

is by targeting the purchasers, the consumers, and making it inconvenient, uncomfortable, and disagreeable. Well, it's interesting. I had dinner last night with an acquaintance of mine, a friend I've known for a decade and had not seen him in a while. And so he had been in Georgia and moved back to Utah to be CMO of a solar company. Things were booming. He was there three months.

And then the owner, the founder, died in a fast food parking lot of a fentanyl overdose. Man. And, you know, the money came. He started doing drugs, the pressure, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, obviously devastated his wife. Company closed down. Devastated people's jobs. Yada, yada. We talk about this a little bit. We have to get back to the point. You know how you stop a lot of fentanyl deaths? And I hate to generalize things, but this is a pretty good generalization. Don't take drugs.

Right. I mean, if you don't take drugs, you're probably not going to die of a fentanyl overdose. But that's where I'm getting at. Yeah. You've got to punish these users. We've got to stop slapping the risk. So these numbers from Bloomberg, cocaine export revenues jumped 18.2 billion in 2022, not far behind oil exports of 19.1 billion.

It's astounding the scope of this global business. I mean, it's really astounding. Colombia's cocaine output surged to a record 1,738 tons last year. While the amount of land planted with cocoa, the raw material for making the drug rose 13% to 570,000 acres.

Well, that actually brings up a point that one of the few effective programs we've ever had was the program we had for years where we would just send crop dusters over there and spray the crops and kill them. That wasn't the most environmentally conscientious thing. But then again, cocaine production is like the least environmentally conscientious thing on the planet. It uses a ton of really nasty chemicals, which are then just dumped into the ground after they're done, right? Yeah.

So these coca plantations are actually contributing to groundwater contamination throughout Latin America. They're contributing to all these other problems that people on the left say they care about. Right. And they don't. And they don't. And this is what you see. There's a really easy answer, Chuck. If someone's caught using drugs, I don't want them to have their life destroyed by the criminal justice system, but they should have to go through extensive counseling, counseling

drug abuse training, and then they should have to do a bunch of community service. Well, remember, you're old enough. When we took driver's ed in high school, they would make you sit down for an hour and watch the film. It was a video film of all the traffic accidents. Were you old enough for that? Yes, but I do not want to tell you my driver's ed is

was a former race car driver who had privileges at the local track. So that's where we did our quote driver's ed training, which was all at 120 miles an hour plus. Yeah, but you're probably more safe on the road knowing how to do it. I actually am. I mean, yeah, no, it's very true. He produced a lot of good drivers. Anyway, let's talk about Susanna Gibson of Virginia, who's running for state Senate. It's a swing district. She and her husband, and I'm going to blame Bidenomics for this.

Because they needed extra cash, decided to do free, not free, sex shows. And people would pay and say, we want you to do this. And they had 5,000 subscribers. So it has come out, which... My first question is, why would you think that not comes out? That's ridiculous, Kylie. I mean, come on. That's ridiculous. I mean, so she's doing that. So now she's using, and this is what I want to talk about, that her privacy...

Somehow her privacy has been destroyed. Yeah. See, this is the thing that gets me. You sold sex shows. And by the way, the Washington Post is the one that broke this. So for all you liberals think this is from like the Free Beacon or Gateway Pundit, this is from the Washington Post, right? Who felt it was newsworthy enough for a Democrat who they probably want to win saying, you know, this is your background. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. Why would you run? She did this in the fall of 2022. Why? Why would you run? Well, here's my thing. You have skeletons in your closet. Why are you running if you don't want them out? This is right. This is interesting because it ties to, again, what we talked about with Don Hawkins on the show. But, you know, I don't get why her reaction is what it is.

Because at the end of the day, if she just came out and said what you said, look, this is my, you know, inflation, economics are killing me. We had to make extra money to make ends meet. This is what we did. I'm not ashamed of it. That's not going to hurt her that much with voters in this time. No. But to me, what bothers me listening to this is her trying to play the victim card on this thing. You're not a victim. You were trafficking yourself.

You don't get to play the victim card. She's an adult woman. And they're saying it's revenge porn. Maybe I don't understand revenge porn enough, but revenge porn is something that two people do that one does not consent, the other one giving away. When you do sex acts for people to pay and see on the internet...

The more money that was paid. How was that revenge poor? Was that what it was? More money? The more money that was paid, the more acts they would perform. Yeah. So like they were like, if you pay me $50 instead of $20, well, you can see this instead, whatever it was. Right. And on these shows, from what I understand, she's constantly pushing people to pay tokens that they buy for cash, whatever, to increase the pay.

Explicitness. So she was asked. She actually got kicked off the app because she was getting tips. She was asking for tips on top of the tokens. Yeah, she broke that. She broke the rules of that. Yeah. Well, apparently the rules don't apply to her. This is a swing district, which Governor Youngkin won 51.2 percent to 48.3 percent.

Those races are in November for control of the state House and Senate there. So watch this one, folks. But again, you have a person who doesn't understand privacy or what revenge porn is. Not at all. And for a last little item on our podcast portion today, the UAW, United Auto Workers, has gone on strike at three plants. This may be bored. There's 150,000 United Auto Workers there.

This is not going to be good for the economy. And they wanted 36 percent pay raise, cost of living adjustments, more paid time off and higher retirement contributions. So here's something that has happened. And obviously, the UAW has always had a leading role in union politics in general. Right.

But one of the things I think is if you look at all these movements, these labor movements where they're trying to unionize like fast food workers and all these kinds of things, they're not looking at this the way traditional private unions have, which is to say –

you know, look, listen, there's X amount of profit in this company. You're making so much more at this point. We want a bigger slice of that profit. Right. And understanding that if you demands get too high, you're going to harm the business. You're going to end up with fewer workers. Eventually they may go out of business and,

Look at all the factories like Elon Musk's, like Toyota's, where they cannot get union certification because the employees understand they don't want to be part of this type of movement. It is going to be painful. It is going to hurt. We have just gotten to a place where car prices have started to normalize again after all the disruptions to the economy.

This is just stupidity what they're asking for. Well, and you saw California pass this week that the minimum wage for fast food workers is $20. $20, which, you know what? I actually we were talking about this. Some folks know I do a weekly turn on a local radio show here in Phoenix in the afternoons. And we were talking about this a little bit. Franchises.

are the number one, still the number one way that most entrepreneurs start a business. More entrepreneurs start their first business as a franchise than anything else. And especially true, that's especially true in minority communities. Yes. Minorities...

have really benefited from the franchise system. There's a lot of very, you know, of wealthy black and Latino Americans who have started out with a McDonald's franchise or a Wendy's or a Bert, whatever it is, right? And those people are independent. They don't need government to survive. Right.

And Democrats, I truly believe, are full-on communists at this point. They do not like individual business. Or maybe fascists, the Mussolini version is more accurate. Well, Kylie, look up how many minority owners there are of fast food franchises. I bet it's one of the biggest pathways to financial independence for the minority communities in this state. It's been a long time since I've looked at those statistics, but it's enormous. I mean, it really is a launching point. So regarding the strike...

It will cost more than $5 billion over 10 days. The UAE wants a 36% pay increase and a return to traditional pensions. And you and I have discussed about this. So the UAE is probably saying, look, retirement is getting higher. Social Security doesn't cover enough. I would get why they would fall more on the sword for the traditional pensions versus the 36%. I actually do too. I mean, that's the one. If I was a union, I would say I want the traditional pension back.

I get that. If I were the business, I would say, hell no, but I'll give you all the 401k money you want. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, did you find that? Yeah. Your question, well, the answer is 55% are white. So that would remain. 45%. 45%. Yeah. Which is higher than the- And those franchise owners, once you own a couple of those things, you're doing very well. Yeah. 18.5 are Hispanic. So it'll be interesting to see if it goes up $20, how much it increases prices for a

A value meal, right? And then how many people just stopped eating there? I know people who used to go for lunch once a week, but they said they cut it down once a month. So I forget what jurisdiction it was. One of those around New York. It might have been Manhattan, but I don't think so. We're talking about they had instituted a minimum $20 wage, right? Right. And a reporter recently went out to a Taco Bell for lunch. Okay. Yeah.

For himself only, his tab at Taco Bell was $28. What did he order at Taco Bell? He ordered one of their normal combos, large size.

Oh, see, I get the medium size. So I went this week to... I'm watching my girlish figure. I went to... Well, I mean, every so often you're hungry and you're just running around. I don't do it much. I probably eat fast food two times, maybe three a month. Depends how much I'm traveling, right? But I think I went to In-N-Out and the meal was $11.23. It was just a basic medium meal. So I can report on this as the fat guy in the room. Yeah.

Who goes to fast food much more than Chuck, although much less than I used to. But here's the thing. So In-N-Out and Sonic and Chipotle and Cane's and Chick-fil-A have not really raised their price as much during this pandemic, you know, from starting from 2020. Everyone else has raised them by 50 percent or more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. I agree.

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