From Urban Rights to Election Insights: A Deep Dive into Pennsylvania's Political Landscape
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Welcome to another episode of Breaking Battlegrounds with your host Sam Stone. Chuck Warren is under the weather and out of studio today, but as always, we have the irrepressible Kylie Campbell. She will be around for the podcast portion to turn everybody's stomach with her murder and mayhem update. Jenna in studio to relieve that with a little bit of sunshine at the end. But before we go there, as always, we're going to be jumping right into it with our guest. We

The first guest up today is someone I have been a big fan and supporter of since he first popped onto the scene a few years back, doing amazing work across this country. Maj Touré, thank you so much for joining us. For folks who don't know him, Maj is a political activist, the founder of Black Guns Matter and Solutionary Lifestyle. You can follow him on X at MajTouré999. Maj, thank you so much for joining us. How are you?

I'm wonderful. Thank you all for having me. I appreciate it. So you're coming out here to Phoenix where we record our program. You've got something going on that I absolutely love. Can you tell folks a little bit about that? Yeah, we started something a few years ago called Black Guns Matter. In essence, you know, during that time a few years ago, the Black Lives Matter movement was a lot more rambunctious.

Obviously, everybody in hoods across America was like, that sounds like cat. God bless the dead. Darren Seals was like, that's not a real thing. They're stealing our thunder from this Ferguson argument around police brutality. So anyway, the concept sounded good. Everybody's going to agree with Black Lives Should Matter. Duh.

Absolutely.

T or an E, insert whatever thing. And so initially we started this thing and it was going to be like BGM was going to be one event. It was just going to be us doing one event. And we thought maybe we'll get like 30 people to show up. Man, 300 people showed up. Where was this? Where did you do this? It was in Philly. It was at that location isn't in the same spot anymore. We did it at a gun training facility, which used to be right across the street from the licensing unit.

And fast forward, funny story about that. We kept filling, helping people fill out their paperwork to get their license to carry. And they moved the licensing unit. They moved it to a whole nother part of town and they changed the hours because we was just getting everybody right. But anywho, we did it there and people came from Brooklyn. They came from Jersey. They came from different municipalities, different.

And we recognized like, man, people really need this information. And all we really were focused on was safe and responsible firearms ownership. I am not a proponent of licenses to carry. I think the Second Amendment is very clear. However, if you want to get one,

We'll help you. And we also ask that once you get that firearm or get that license to carry, you do two things. You be a solid representative of what a Second Amendment American looks like, as well as you involve yourself politically to overturn some of this unconstitutional foolishness. And so at that time, we was just doing conflict resolution and basic firearms training. I mean, we still fundamentally do that.

But obviously the solutionary lifestyles moved into other things, health and fitness, de-escalation, politics, civics, the things that we have over, you know, classes on the solutionaryuniversity.org over at the website.

But then all we did was conflict resolution and basic firearm safety that we concentrated for about a year in 2016 before we even thought about doing a tour. And ironically, and for the year, everybody can check this for the year 2016, violent crime in Philadelphia was the lowest it had been since like 1969. Then ironically, we started doing more tours and going all over the place.

Everywhere we went and started just doing these free classes and just the word starts reverberating. Yep. Firearms ownership in black communities increased nationally. And the longer we were not in Philadelphia, the violent crime increased again the longer we were not concentrating on Philadelphia because we're a small outfit.

So the juxtaposition was there and, you know, it's what kept us going. I mean, it will be times we initially said we're going to do 13 cities. We said we're going to all we'll need is twenty five thousand dollars for 13 cities, which is clearly you never ran a tour before thinking that. And we raised the twenty five thousand. The person that got us over the hump for that first twenty five thousand was Phil Gossett.

from All That Remains, that rock group. Nice. He gave us our last, like, maybe $400 and got us over there. Phil Labonte. And so...

Everybody just kept telling us to keep going. And now after a while, we've raised the goal to about a hundred, excuse me, about a million dollars. I mean, I'm talking about after we hit a hundred thousand and people, we just would ask social media, yo, should we keep going? Yeah, keep going. And then after a while, people were like, yo, just make it a million, buy a building and hit every state in America. And so now we're about a little over $200,000 left. And this has been, because we have a community center, but we're trying to buy it outright. This last part,

has been the most difficult as it relates to fundraising. Not only because, you know, so much is happening. I mean, nobody had the Biden administration on the bingo card, like nobody had that, right? And the economic devastation. So this has been the most difficult time. But also, inadvertently, we're suffering from so much success in a sense of

Black Guns Matter is in the Bruin decision. We're cited in that. We've made...

at least a thousand new firearms instructors around the country. We've reached, I mean, millions of people and we've made millions of people from demographics that, you know, traditionally may have not been associated with the Second Amendment. We've made them purchase firearms. I mean, for like seven years straight, the African-American community has been the largest gun buying demographic and mostly women. Saying this to say,

Now it's not as, you know, this is so much of a good thing. Yeah. I mean, because I look at what you guys are doing. One of the things I think a lot of people don't know, Maj, is that if you want to look at systemic racism, not that continues today, but that has existed in the past.

There has been systemic racism to try to deny African-Americans the right to own a firearm, to deny them their Second Amendment. That has been a constant through history prior to the Civil Rights Act, through the Civil Rights Act and into recent times. You're kind of the leader in pushing back against that. Yeah. The thing is, you make other force multipliers and the general public

may not understand, especially during the Trump administration. The Trump administration, the fear-mongering that the left did, but still trying to not tell black people to get guns. Yeah.

Initially, it spiked a little bit. But then when Trump was in and everything, the economy was clearly, you know, a tad bit better. Right. Just a smidge. Just a tad. And so people get comfortable and complacent. And those are the things that they they they, you know, the left and saying everything is racist. And there are some things in America that can tie to racism, redlining, you know, like the like the minimum wage situation, like.

There are things that like legit, like, come on, bro. Like we all Americans now, like, but at the same time, like, come on, bro. Like that was started kind of in some BS, right? Oh, absolutely. But they always, they always jump past gun control. They just, they want to act like gun control was not before the constitution was ratified, you know, and it was insanely racist.

And one of the things that I think a lot of people don't understand is the way I would refer to the Second Amendment, I would say it is the bodyguard for the other ten amendments. Right. 100%. Without that, you do not have a right to those other nine amendments that can't be taken away. I mean, you have a right to them, but good luck enforcing it. You know, it turns into an argument around...

What teeth do we have to bite down when the tyranny hands tries to reach into our food bowl? And that's what government is doing. I mean, we're seeing just yesterday, maybe the day before yesterday, we're seeing the Biden administration because he's been very quiet, but the puppeteers are still doing their thing. We're seeing them just press up, you know, hey, we're going to send another eight billion in military aid over to Ukraine. I mean, these these are things that.

These are unconstitutional. Congress, there's nothing in there that's like, hey, we got to do this. My point in saying it is this demographic that was left out of that conversation, I am uniquely positioned to communicate that in a way without other communities feeling like I'm dissing them. That's the balance. None of my white, none of the white solutionaries, white American solutionaries are like,

Maj hates white people. None of my Black American solutionaries or African American solutionaries feel like Maj just be tap dancing for white people. And that's what you need. You need to have an objective

clear, historically accurate perspective that you can translate to people that want to exist in truth. And those folks that are pushing that narrative of racism, racism, racism, and conveniently jump over the racist practice and still current outcomes of gun control, those people are your enemy. It's not even a question in my mind. Anyone that would say,

You're a good dude. You're a good lady. You're safe and responsible generally. But I don't think that you should have the means to defend yourself. Anybody that would say that is the ops. That's it. It's not even a question about it because that person or entities are probably a doing something that if you had a gun, you probably shoot him if you found out.

Or B, did something already that if you have a gun, when you do find out, you might be inclined to shoot them. And I'm talking about violence. I'm talking about violating your human rights. This is the setup. So, you know, my skill set is translation.

And that's, I think, why we've had the success we've had. Even though this last, I'm going to pander this whole episode because we definitely need some financing, some more voluntary donations because all of our classes have been free to all, 1,000% based on voluntary donations, no government grants. That's not our money.

It's the people's money. And if they wanted to give it to us, then they would. They wouldn't give it to us under the threat of coercion and going to jail for whatever. And where can folks contribute to that? And also, I know you're here in Phoenix on October 12th. Again, this is a totally free event training, which we always say on this show, we would like everyone to be armed. We would like everyone to voluntarily get some training for how to handle a firearm safely. How do they do that with you here?

First, if they want to register for the class in Phoenix, go over to our website, solutionaryuniversity.org. This is not a trick. It's 1,000% free. It's October the 12th. It's at Shooter's World in Goodyear. Which is a fantastic facility.

It's 100% free. I mean, it's free. It's not like you show up and then you're like, well, the trial period was the first five minutes and now it's not that. It's 100% free. And it is free. Again, you can register at solutionaryuniversity.org. Like solution.org.

Solutionary, A-R-Y, university.org. Click on the events tab and you can see all of the upcoming cities for October. Brilliant. We're going to hold you up right there because we're bringing you back for the next segment here in just a moment. Folks, we will also have that website and the link and everything there to both this event and how you can support the work Maj is doing on all of our social media and our website for Breaking Battlegrounds.

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Welcome back to Breaking Battlegrounds with your Sam Stone. Chuck Warren out of studio today, but on the line with us and continuing on here in just a moment. Maj Ture, political activist, founder of Black Guns Matter and Solutionary Lifestyle. You can follow him on X at MajTure999. And also you want to definitely check it out. SolutionaryUniversity.org. Go there and see all these incredible totally free training events he's got going on.

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There are never any fees if you need your principal back at any time. It's a fantastic opportunity. So check them out. Invest the letter Y, then refy.com or give them a call at 888-Y-REFY24 and tell them Chuck and Sam sent you. All right. Continuing on, Maj Ture. Maj, when we went to break, you were talking a little bit.

about the training that you're doing here. One of the things you've talked about is how, and we've seen this here in Arizona, we had a carjacking problem and then the state passed constitutional carry, meaning anyone here in the state can carry a firearm legally. They do not need a permit for it. We saw the carjackings go down. We saw home invasions go down. You've been talking about this. I think a lot of people have the misconception that more guns equal more crime.

But as you point out, it's really just the opposite. And communities across this country need to be educated about that. 100 percent. It's so interesting that I bet I'd bet dollars to doughnuts.

That that carjacking problem decreased once the everybody can have a gun and you don't know who has one theory shows up. It went down overnight, man. I mean, literally, we passed that law in the next month. I was at the city of Phoenix at that time. I'm working there. We're looking at our crime stats and we have, you know, like a couple hundred type incidents like that. You know, all of a sudden it's down to like one, two.

It ain't happening. This is the same thing that happened back in the mid to late 90s. Urban America had a problem with teen pregnancy. The city or governments didn't say, we're going to lock you up if you're a teenager and having sex to get pregnant. That's not what they did. They didn't add restrictions. They just put actual biological sex education. And I'm not talking about the weird stuff that's happening right now. Just here's how the human body works. They put that in school. The parents had to sign off on it.

And overnight, teen pregnancy went away. And we don't even have that conversation about teen pregnancy anymore. No, that's a great point. I haven't heard a single person bring that up in over a decade.

It's just gone. It was a huge issue. Yeah. We just informed the people and education will always trump legislation every single time. So for us, even with BGM, just getting people to get informed and know what to do and have some confidence because they know they're now competent.

That creates a certain level of a different culture. And then when we shift the culture and the narrative, you know, as Breitbart said, politics is downstream from culture. So all I need to do is get in the space, inform the people. Those people become force multipliers. Those force multipliers teach their friends, their family, their loved ones. They continue the relationship with the ranges and the lawyers and the firearms instructors that we bring to these events that are from the local area.

And then we just get busy and then it shifts the culture. These ideas are resilient. These ideas are impactful. This is why they were argued and fought over so passionately by the founders of this. These documents, these guys were pulling from the Enlightenment period. They were pulling from natural rights, Robespierre, you know, Locke.

Our solutionary non group, our book of the month this month has been The Law by Bastiat. My point in saying all of this is these are amazing ideas that tie into natural and God given rights and re explaining them and reimagining what that looks like for people in urban demographics today is what our skill set is. This is the value add for us.

And to do that while removing the financial barrier to entry for folks that may not have $200, $300 to take a basics class. Cool, we'll run you through it. And then as you continue down this rabbit hole, you'll go to other instructors that you might have. Okay, boom, I already got the basics out of the way. I can afford to pay $100 or $200 for this class because it's way more technical. My point in saying that is,

Our job is to get the people involved, put them on that path. And there's never, like if you empower a granny or a single mom or just a regular dude, there's no way that he's going to listen to a Kamala Harris or any administration saying, we should be the only ones with firearms, the government and not you. So the narrative shift is the

is the power of it, you know? Um, cause I'm not, I'm not really a gun guy. I mean, I got like, there's a bunch of guns around here, uh,

But that's like a guy that chops down trees and builds houses saying he's a chainsaw guy. Like, no, I'm just this is the tool to, you know, to do the thing. And I'm just so excited with these last few years. And even this last hardcore rumble this year of the last remaining two hundred and some odd thousand dollars. That's been very difficult, but it's still way more, you know, exciting.

like rewarding than doing something that I was not passionate about knowing that we're making America and in essence potentially the world better. I mean, cause America, like not to sound funny or cliche and cheesy, but as it's looking, as I travel around the world,

you know, America seems to look as if we're the last stand for these types of human freedoms. And I'm not saying that as if they're all happy and beautiful people. No, no, but one of the things, I mean, we're not that far past 2020, but everyone seems to have forgotten a lot of what went on around the world, where in countries like Australia and New Zealand, they literally had camps built to put patients into camps

And that didn't happen here in large part because I truly believe the Second Amendment was the barrier between that type of thing happening in this country where you had at that time about half the populace was willing to place their fellow citizens in these type of camps. Yep. And this is where I push back on some of my conservative friends and family that are just responding to the extreme left's argument of there needs to be absolutely zero police. Right.

They go the exact opposite. They say, we need to back the blue regardless. I have to remind them that...

There were law enforcement officers all across America that were willing to lock up churchgoers for going to worship. Hey, I'm taking it above myself. The church says it's okay. This private institution, these private locations, these private businesses. We saw law enforcement officers, and if I'm lying, I'm flying. Y'all could Google this. Law enforcement officers were arresting parishioners that chose to take church in

In the parking lot, in their parked vehicles. Arresting surfers out of the waves. I mean, it's like I'm out here by myself surfing by myself. Yeah. And you guys are going to get closer to me to come arrest me. And I have to always bring that up. Our founders did not want a standing army.

You know, there's 34,000 law enforcement, roughly, officers in the city of New York.

Thirty four thousand. That is a standing army. And so we got to attack this thing from both sides. The people have to recognize constitutional values and what the framers want it. Highlighting those guys as contradictions as well, because they were just humans. Right. But at the same time, don't be so afraid to say even some of the better of us are falling victim to this overreaching government system.

non-constitutional or unconstitutional non-human rights rhetoric. Government can come for you even if you're leaving them alone.

Absolutely. Maj Ture, I want to thank you so much for joining us today. Folks, check out his event, SolutionaryUniversity.org. They have this firearms training roadshow. I saw you got four or five dates coming up on there. They're going to be in Phoenix on October 12th. It is totally free, so check that out. You can follow him on X at MajTure999. Maj, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you so much. GiveSyngo.com forward slash Solutionary if anybody got any value.

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You can follow him on X at CFM. Well, I should say CF McElwee. Charles McElwee, thank you so much for joining us and welcome to the program. Hey, thank you for having me. So you are really obviously plugged into Pennsylvania politics. I think I saw something you put out. You said Pennsylvania is the key state for this election cycle. I know I 100 percent agree.

What are you seeing there? I want to get into some of the trends in that state, some of how it's changed since 2016, but that may be a little bit of a longer topic. So give us kind of the top line of what you see going on there in the presidential race right now. Well, the reason it's all important and that it's 19 electoral college votes are

are key to the White House. I mean, the state remains so unclear even at this stage. It's truly neck and neck, and it's neck and neck because it's hard to find a state that is a greater exhibit of the political realignment that we have witnessed that persists

preceded Trump, but Trump certainly accelerated it and affirmed it that suburbs are increasingly Democrat and working class regions are now Republican. And that

contrast is historic in Pennsylvania. And that is why it's so unclear, because in those working class regions, there are still plenty of Democrats. And in the suburbs, there are still Republicans who may be open to voting for Trump this time on issues like concerning the economy. So

Very confusing, confounding to even those who are immersed in the state. And it remains to be seen who will pull it out. In terms of momentum, it seems like there was, you know, obviously Biden was lagging a little bit. There's been a big buildup of momentum for Harris after her crowning at the DNC.

But since then, it seems to be fading. How much is that reality or is that kind of just my misperception? Well, the economy still ranks as the top issue among Pennsylvania voters. And if the economy is ranking as the top issue among those voters, then

I don't think that would bode well for Harris in a state like Pennsylvania, where there is a profound sense of economic discontent in regions that have not fared well in decades, regions that were defined by extraction industries that were stabilized by mid, let's say, midsize manufacturing employers that were

eviscerated by the era of globalization and it was Trump's message on globalization that resonated in those regions in '16 and that converted so many Democrats to the Republican Party in that era. So in the past month alone, we have confirmed based on voting registration statistics that a number of counties from Luzerne in Northeastern Pennsylvania to Bucks County, Berks County have flipped red.

but it remains to be seen what the narrowing voter registration gap means between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats still have the majority, but how many of those Democrats are activated to vote for Harris post-Biden? Is there a... We have only about a minute and a half left, so I don't want to send you down too big of a rabbit hole here. But...

Is there an issue in some of the in in some of the manufacturing with Trump's promotion of tariffs?

Or are they looking at that and saying this is what we need to help protect us and save us from predatory foreign practices? No, I mean, this is a state that fueled America's industrial ascendance. So if there is a state where being pro-terrorist sells in terms of electoral politics, it is Pennsylvania. So even John Hines, for example, who was the very popular moderate Republican U.S. senator in Pennsylvania in the 80s,

He was supportive of tariffs concerning the steel industry. This is a region or state defined by its industrial past, and certainly any measure that any candidate, be it Republican or Democrat, takes that is pro-tariff will resonate among a large cross-section of voters in regions defined by that industrial heritage.

I want to touch on that again when we come back. Breaking Battlegrounds is going to be coming back with more from Charles McElwee in just a moment. He is an editor and writer based outside Philadelphia. He launched RealClearPolitics, first state-level vertical RealClear Pennsylvania statewide media platform examines overlooked political, economic, and social trends in Pennsylvania. It's obviously essential in this cycle. So stay tuned. We're going to be coming back with more from him in just a moment.

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Welcome back to Breaking Battlegrounds with your Sam Stone. Chuck Gordon is out of studio, but we're continuing on the line right now in just a moment with Charles McElway, founding editor of Real Clear Pennsylvania, contributing writer for Real Clear Politics, City Journal and Politico. Before we do that, folks.

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Invest the letter Y, then refy.com or give them a call at 888-Y-REFY24 and tell them Chuck and Sam sent you. All right. Continuing on right now with Charles McElwee. Charles, when we went to break, we were talking a little bit about Trump's tariffs. One of the things that Kamala Harris has been really pounding Trump on on the campaign trail is those tariffs equating it to a national sales tax.

Is the Trump campaign countering that narrative in Pennsylvania? Because it sounds like from what you're saying, he has pretty fertile grounds to do so, at least on the underlying policy.

I mean, in terms of his visits across the state, for example, in recent months he went to York County, for example, in south central Pennsylvania. And the campaign really does seem to be framing terrorists in a way that would be considered compelling to the voting demographic that they need to win Pennsylvania. So the challenge for Trump is,

In order to win Pennsylvania, he needs to outpace his 2020 performance among working class voters in Pennsylvania. And in order to do that, he needs to do better among the Latino voters, the African-American voters that are in the state. So many...

cities east of the Susquehanna River, for example, are now Latino majority or plurality populations. And if 600, if the state's 600,000 eligible Latino voters are activated and mobilized to vote, I mean, so many of them

would go for Trump or intend to vote for Trump based on his economic message. And likewise, African-American voters in Philadelphia, Harrisburg or Pittsburgh, many are also viewing Trump's message as one that resonates. So it's a contrast. Harris is saying him on a national level.

tax accusation, but she also seems to be hitting hard on ideas like child tax credits, housing affordability, issues that would possibly play well among suburban voters. Those white-collar professionals, the two-parent households where both are working, they're sending their children to daycare, that type of message may not

may prove compelling to the suburban voters that she's trying to target. So it's really a battle between Harris going after suburbia, which was a bunch of GOP bastions versus these working class voters who are increasingly open, if not going to go out and

amassed for Trump in November. If Trump increases his share of black and Hispanic voters in Pennsylvania by 5% in each category, is that enough to completely swing this election for him? So nobody ever accused me of being a mathematician, but certainly if those margins... Look, Biden carried the state by like 1%. It

So, yeah, I mean, any sizable margin among certain demographics matters. Another example would be the Jewish vote in Pennsylvania. The Jewish population comprises 3% of Pennsylvania's population, a rich Jewish heritage in so many cities in the state, you know, beyond Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. And

If a number of those voters are, you know, Trump's message, if that resonates, that could play a role. If a state of culturally fractious regions, complex demographics, and any...

turnout among any group in any given county, it could be the game changer. And if he improves his margins compared to 20 among the working class voters, it would be hard to see how we lose this Pennsylvania.

Now, you've been doing a lot of work lately on essentially documenting for folks how much Pennsylvania has shifted and changed since 2016. And you have a great piece of Politico, the crucial demographic in Pennsylvania that could torpedo Kamala Harris. Yeah.

You have a number of other pieces that you put out fairly recently about shifts in the voter registration. So give us kind of an overview of what the difference is from 2016 to 2024. So, I mean, there are a number of changes. Some of the most notable, I mean, certainly the state has begun

become that much more suburban compared to 2016. So if you look at the map in a way that would be in Harris's favor, it would be due to the fact that South Central Pennsylvania, so we're talking the Harrisburg Corridor, the Lancaster, York,

That area is the fastest growing in Pennsylvania, and prosperous suburbs are emerging that are shaped by the health care sector. Hospitals are being built. Health care systems are getting ever bigger. And the workforce that comprises that sector post-2016 is solidly Democrat. Physicians, for example, were once a solid GOP constituency. Now they're blue.

And while the region itself, which was always Republican, remains generally Republican, it is getting more purple and, in fact, blue in parts. So that was not the case in 2016. Communities in this region that went for Trump at 16, they're now solidly blue. But likewise, in

in northeastern Pennsylvania, which I covered for the Politico story about the ancestral Democratic Catholic voters that are the heart of this region. It's one of the most Catholic regions in America. This is an area where the Catholic Church was basically in alliance with the Democratic Party. It shaped its history as a cultural machine. But both the Church and the party are diminished. With Biden off the ballot and with Biden's deep roots in the region, and he

operate off of that provincialism forever, Harris is not selling as well among those voters as Biden may have, because those older Democrats who are Catholic, who may not even be going to church anymore, but they identify as Catholic, they viewed Biden as a check on the Democrats' leftward turn, and they certainly, out of economic self-interest, do not view Harris the same way.

How much is Harris's – I know she has said now obviously she won't ban fracking, but she has a lengthy history of opposing it. Is Trump capitalizing on that or is that something that can be capitalized on?

He's definitely capitalizing on it, but it's a matter of how much that works in a very specific region of Pennsylvania. So southwestern Pennsylvania is really the heart of the Marcellus shale industry where this natural gas extraction is occurring. It straddles the state to the northern tier, but southwestern Pennsylvania, southwest of Pittsburgh is really where it is.

And the challenge is there's a natural gas glut right now. And...

to people who live in that area, their royalty checks are not as high as they were in, let's say, 2016. And it's because the infrastructure is lacking in terms of pipelines to transport that gas to places like New England. And in order for that message to resonate in this very specific region, that was

was also historically Democrat and now solidly red. It's coming up with a plan that is in some ways beyond Trump's control because so many of these pipeline infrastructure issues and getting the gas to export terminals is driven by local hurdles, opposition, red tape, whatever. And as a statewide issue, sometimes it gets overstated. Somebody who lives in Chicago

In Allentown, for example, it's not talking about fracking. But certainly in the Southwest, it is an issue, and it would have to almost be micro-targeted. And that's, again, what makes Pennsylvania so complex. It's like micro-targeting messages among certain demographics and certain regions across the state. Would you say – I mean, just looking at it from the outside, I think that's an interesting point you just made because –

Looking at it from the outside, Pennsylvania might be right now the most politically complex state in the country. If it's not Pennsylvania, it might be Georgia. But there's just so many issues that are divided up regionally throughout the state, so many different populations. Does that make it maybe the toughest state to campaign in? One message doesn't work. You're talking about micro-targeting tiny communities. Yeah.

It's so true, and that's exactly what's going on. That's why it remains so unclear who will pull this out, I mean, in terms of the prognostications, because any given region is very different from another region of the state, and there's a sense of provincialism in any given region. So some of the Philadelphia has no clue what's going on in Erie. It's far away, and Erie in turn

Their frames of reference are completely different. Their concerns do not necessarily align with those in greater Philadelphia. So among the swing states, the seven that we're talking about every day, it is the most complicated to understand due to that demographic complexity and how much it has changed even since 2016. What are you seeing in – obviously when you talk about that kind of political complexity, the need to target communities very closely –

Ground game can make a big difference. The door to door stuff, the live phone calls, the activating neighbors to talk to neighbors kind of thing. Which campaign has the edge on that right now?

So in terms of the, let's say, on paper infrastructure, Harris would have the advantage since twofold. She inherited the Biden campaign infrastructure. But the Biden campaign, I mean, they really built up a ground game and let's say like building field offices in Eastman.

in even rural parts of the state. They're looking to extract votes wherever they can find them, including in the most rural parts of the state where there may be random Democrats that are critical to the narrow margins that define the state's electoral outcomes. So it's a matter of how robust, like,

Like on paper, the Harris campaign looks robust, but is the momentum on Trump's side, considering that the economy, that sense of financial discontent, the lacking consumer confidence, that no matter how robust the Harris campaign may be, and it's something that they clearly looked to John Fetterman as a model because he won in large part.

based on how he targeted the forgotten regions by Democrats in 2022. But it's nevertheless a challenge for them when you consider the top voter concern. It's almost like if Harris pulls it out in Pennsylvania, it's because...

There are voters out there in the state who may question Harris and may not even like the lack of clarity in terms of her economic policy messaging, but they'll nevertheless vote for her because of their aversion to Trump. That would be the voting demographic, considering it's the top issue. We have just a minute and a half left, but you brought up Fetterman's name, so I want to throw something out there because it's been really interesting to

You know, this is a guy who, based on his condition after the stroke, was really dismissed and derided by a lot of Republicans. Then since being in office, especially around the Gaza issue with Israel, there's been a lot of Republicans and myself included who say this is now our favorite Democrat in the Senate.

How much is he playing into this campaign or is he? I mean, he certainly, I'm sure, advising Harris and his words is worth listening to because he has shown that he has an acute understanding of the state. But if you know this, even the recent interviews, I mean, his high conviction about Harris's probability of winning Pennsylvania, it's hardly palpable.

And by all indications, Democrats realize that, uh,

Pennsylvania may be tough to win. Fantastic. Thank you so much, Charles McElwee. Really, really appreciate having you on the program. Folks, check him out. Real Clear Pennsylvania and Real Clear Politics also works with City Journal, Politico. You can follow him on X at CF McElwee. Again, love to have you back on the program in the future. Love your insights. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you. It was fun. Take care.

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All right. Welcome to the podcast portion of Breaking Battlegrounds. I really, really want to thank our guests today. I thought they were both fantastic. Jenna, Charles McElwee from Real Clear, Pennsylvania. Great insights. We don't hear enough.

frankly, in the rest of the country about Pennsylvania because that – I mean neither campaign thinks they can win without that seat, right? And these are the states we need to be paying attention to and really looking into. Absolutely. And it's one area – I try with the reporters especially like someone from RealClearPolitics which tries really hard to be an independent, nonpartisan operation. I try not to get too much into the partisan side of the politics on it. But

But one of the differences we see a lot is that Democrats are really good at focusing resources from big, blue, solid blue states into these races like here in Arizona where we're being flooded with cash from California, Pennsylvania, which is being flooded with cash from D.C. and New York.

They really take the time. They have donors, grassroots and big donors, in these coastal cities, coastal states, that are pouring money into these races. We're not countering that. And that could be a big problem. But obviously a lot up in the air from that. And really want to thank Charles McElwee for that. And then Maj Touré, the founder of Black Guns Matter. He's so good. He's so great. He's entertaining. I love him. He knows his stuff. Yeah.

And I don't I think a lot of people like first heard of him in 2020, you know, 2018, 2020 in there. But I don't think people realize how far back he's gone on this and how long he's been doing it. It's really good stuff. So we encourage everyone to check that out. But first, Kylie, tell us who died. Who's who's getting killed? People were actually saved this time. Oh, my goodness. Well, I know. How did this make it into your segment? Yeah.

Because I thought it was a great story. So Mohammed Mohammed, he's a 63 year old plumber out of Alabama. He offered a hitman $20,000 to kill his wife and then $5,000 for all of his children. And he has six children.

Look, the first lesson, Kylie, I've got to interrupt you before we get on this road. The first lesson for parents is never name your kid like Muhammad Muhammad. Now, that's not a Islam thing. Don't name your kid Samuel Samuel. This is basically a way to guarantee you're going to produce a psychopath. But go ahead. Yeah. So prior to his murder for higher plot, he had threatened to shoot his daughter between the eyes. He had threatened to lock his family in the basement and kill them.

He's put a gun and knife to his kids' heads and throats. He's injured his kids so bad that they've been in the hospital multiple times. So this is a quality human being. Yeah, yeah. Very good human being. I don't know who is still hiring an abused plumber. Luckily, they got out alive. But after like a lengthy divorce situation, he was really angry and he thought that God would reward him for killing his family.

um so he went to his friend who was identified as cw1 um to ask him to find someone to take care of his family so after a series of discussions this was all happening between by take care of his family let's just get rid of the euphemism he means to execute his family correct yeah correct correct execute all of them so this all happened between august 11th of this year well so he was arrested in 2023 for violating um

a protective order against his wife for stalking. And then he was released in February of this year. So August 11th, he had met with CW1, asked him to take care of his family. And then after a series of discussions,

through September, CW1 arranged a meeting with Mohammed and an individual he believed was going to help him finalize this plan. This meeting happened on Saturday. He allegedly showed the individual cell phone photos of burned cars and burned structures belonging to his family, to his family members, photos of his family members, described the vehicles that they drove, and even drove him to their addresses so he could see their houses.

uh, the individual said, or he said, listen to me, brother, this is seven people. The individual responded with seven question mark. Um, he said six kids in the mom, you pick and choose who you're going to take out and you get paid. You can start with the big whore. He said, pointing to his wife's photo, um, said, I don't mind. Start with one, take your time. Second, third, fourth, five. I don't give an F just start with one. So this is everything he was saying in this meeting. Um,

Well, it turned out that CW1 had actually set him up with an FBI agent. And so he had spilled all of these plans to an FBI agent and was arrested this week. And now he's ordered to appear in court next Friday. There's a lesson here about murder for hire.

Because the consistency with which these folks managed to hire a law enforcement agent who is investigating them is pretty – it's like the most reliable thing about murder for hire efforts here. So what is next in this case? What's the timeline or where is it going? Yeah.

Next thing is just him appearing in court next Friday. And basically in September, CW1, and he had gone straight to the FBI after Mohammed had gone to him with this information. And they had come up with a plan to set him up so that they had enough information. He put a down payment down on the, on the murders. And so they pretty much think that they have a really good case going into this. And hopefully he doesn't see daylight. And this is why we should not be getting rid of the death penalty. No, I look, he's going to get it, but yeah,

Well, I mean, you know, look, the death penalty is Chuck will tell everyone in the hearing range is too limited. I mean, this is the I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem with the death penalty. I just believe we need to use it more often than a hot topic this week. Yeah. Well, look, I mean, is there you've done a bunch of research on this guy. Is there anything redeeming in his history? Because everything you just said to me suggests no. It's quite literally not one thing. Yeah. Except fixing toilets, maybe. So so.

Well, I can do that. I actually did that last weekend. It's not fun, but I mean, you know, the average person can do it. You can hire someone who isn't a murderer and an evil, terrible human. Okay. So there are some people who are just so like unredeemable. Yeah. See, this is my thing. I have a really hard time understanding these folks. I mean, ladies, I like.

How do these people get this far down the road in life without someone being like, no, we need... That's what I'm trying to figure out. Yeah, but like, how do we not send this guy to jail a long time ago for a long time? Well, he has been in jail, yeah, multiple times, but I don't know how... I would assume because each attempt, a lot of them were just threats that he was saying to his family, or maybe each attempt, he did set...

Since the divorce, which was in 2021, every single one of his kids' cars have been set on fire. See, this is nuts. I mean, okay, this is, I use the word nuts, but I mean, there's actual insanity here. This cannot be a sane human. And this goes back to something, I mean, we've talked about it a little bit on this program, but

Where is the inpatient mental health treatment in this country, you know, the mandatory inpatient mental health treatment? Because this guy should have been...

In a mental hospital a long time ago. Yeah. If there's a way not even just to keep people who are going to harm others away from them, at least giving some people who have redeeming. Yeah. No. Like, look, what evidence is there that turning these people loose on the streets where they end up destroying themselves like this guy did or they end up.

you know, destroying themselves like we see with so much of our homeless population. And then they also end up committing terrible acts on, you know, other people, innocent people, and just destroying the quality of life for folks. Like, what part of this is more compassionate than just being like, dude, you need to be in this facility for a while and then we'll see how you do. Yeah. I mean, I think it's the same as I don't know why those illegal immigrants are out on

bail after the, uh, from Nantucket who were. Oh, tell folks about that case. Cause that they got a little coverage, but obviously with the media hiding everything that might hurt Kamala comma liar Harris. Um,

A lot of folks don't know about that one. So I'm sorry. I didn't look into it too much, but I do know just the basics that you're following. There was an illegal immigrant that was raping a teen multiple times in Nantucket. He was just released on bail after three days. Lengthy sentence. Lengthy sentence. This stuff is ridiculous, folks. This is ridiculous.

I want to go. There's two crimes right there that that guy already broke. So it's why is he out on bail after three days? Yeah. There's no reason. I'm at the point where my version of the death penalty for some of these folks are in the country illegally like this would be to airmail them home without a parachute.

I mean, this is just ridiculous. I want to move on and talk about something else because this article came across. I think it was today when it came out and we've had her on the program several times to talk about this stuff. But Susan Crabtree, also with Real Clear Politics, it's apparently a Real Clear Politics day here on Breaking Battlegrounds, has a new piece out today. Why did the Secret Service resist drone technology today?

And this is really crazy, folks. I mean, so there's this agent who was part of the I think the technical directorate and he ended up on the presidential protective detail. He's, you know, very technically savvy and all that sort of thing. And he felt like there was a big hole in, you know, in the Secret Services technology. Yeah.

So here's what happened to him. This guy, I'm trying to look up his name, Rasheed Ellis, Special Agent Rasheed Ellis, who was proposing an innovative and expanded drone program for years before the assassination attempts against Trump. And because he did this, because he asked to go to what they call their airspace,

protectorate or whatever, and did not want to go on Kamala Harris's protective detail. He wanted to do this program, build this drone program. This was when Harris was VP. They literally started hammering his career. I mean, you know, they started going after him, punishing him, you know, putting things in his record, targeting him. He had to sue and fight back.

And all this guy was doing, he was applying for a directorate that they admit they have difficulty staffing. He was the number one choice of this directorate to come work with them, of all the people they had applying. He was their number one choice. And then they have basically wrecked this guy's career in the years since.

And obviously he's 100% right that the Secret Service should have drone technology as part of what they're doing. The Secret Service director at that time, you know, the person who preceded Kim Cheadle, basically said, well, someone could take those drones and hack them and turn them. You know, they could be used to target the protectee. I'm sorry. We use drones for military purposes every single day.

Are our Predator drones, are our Reaper drones, are they being turned on our troops? So if other people were capable of doing that, wouldn't they be doing that?

Yeah, exactly. And I mean, the DOD, you know, we're investing so much in technologies within the DOD. I mean, we should be protecting our, you know. Yeah, this is the president of the United States or a presidential candidate that we're talking about. And drone technology is ubiquitous. This guy who committed the first assassination attempt actually used a drone to surveil the scene while Secret Service was out there. These guys are like, wait a minute. And the article from Susan Crabtree points out

Like, had you had your own drone program, that alone, the fact that he was sending a drone into this restricted space, you would have identified the drone, the user. You would have been all over this guy before he could ever climb on top of a building and pull a trigger. Like, this is – the more that comes out about the Secret Service, the more offended I am by how bad our presidential protective service is right now. This agency is an absolute idiot.

shambles, shambles right now. But there was something else in her article that I really wanted to hit on because we keep seeing this in another point. They're talking about with the suit against Ellis and his suit back against the Secret Service, the complaints and so forth.

He accuses the agency of orchestrating an elaborate scheme beginning in 2020, 20 in 2021 to undermine his career and retaliation for his efforts. And then numerous whistleblowers attached to this complaint and other recent ones are coming out and saying that agents at the secret service and the FBI are routinely targeted by colleagues and higher ups with false legal accusations or disciplinary accusations. Um,

So things they know are not true, things they know are not legitimate, they are derailing fellow agents' careers or subordinates' careers with these fake charges and accusations. And I just started thinking about that. And they're talking about how this has been going on now for like a decade or more. This has been going on for a long time in these agencies. And Kylie, Jenna, I'll throw this to you guys, but

Why, if they're willing to do that to each other, would people not think that these agencies would be weaponized against people they perceive as political opponents on the outside? I mean, if you're willing to do that to your own colleagues, wouldn't that suggest there is absolutely no barrier to doing it to other people either? Well, I think it's interesting because they, like, we need to, you know, I don't know, get rid of that.

Yeah, that entire philosophy needs to go. It needs to be taken out of government. Work needs to be decided, promotions decided on success or failure. But here you're talking about the Secret Service, obviously critical to protect the president and key members of leadership. The FBI, a key investigatory agency for all domestic issues.

you've got to stop this. Agents should not be targeted for trying to do their jobs or trying to, you know, do things that their bosses do not agree with on a political basis. But you look at the targeting of Trump, you look at the targeting of other people around Trump that, you know, everyone from Steve Bannon to Paul Manafort to a lot of these folks who have been charged with really flimsy charges to the prosecution of the J six defendants and all this stuff. And,

As long as this is happening, how can any of us trust what the FBI is saying or doing? I think the levels of bureaucracy in a lot of these different agencies really need to be examined. And it's good that Susan Crabtree wrote this article. Yeah, I was at a Kerry event the other day. You guys will like this. A reporter from the Boston Globe and one of the local reporters came up afterwards. And they're like, well, Kerry said she would cut the federal budget, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, well, here's the easiest way to do it.

There isn't a bureaucracy in this country where 70 percent of the work isn't done by 30 percent of the people. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, that's just that's just the way it is. Yeah. I just went to an event by one of the former cabinet members in Trump's EPA, and he said the exact same thing. There were people there who, you know, they're worthless. There's no point to having them. So that means we've got 70 percent of the federal workforce and your local state and local municipal workforce there.

You could take half of those people and get rid of them. So we could take one-third of all the government bureaucratic employees in this country tomorrow and fire them, and there would be no difference for anybody. That's massive savings. Clearly it needs to happen with some of these folks. All right, before we wrap up, let's get to the good stuff.

Let's bring in the sunshine. So the sunshine for today is about the rock star Bon Jovi. He recently...

He helped a woman out in distress and it's been all over the news. There was a woman on a bridge who was standing on the other side. Oh, I caught a piece of this. Yeah. Tell us. Tell us. Yeah. So he and a couple other people were there shooting a music video in the area. And there's a there's a video online and you can see him go up to the woman who was standing on the other side of the ledge.

and he and another person went and talked to her and within a minute, you know, she climbed back over and they talked to her and, you know, hopefully she's getting the help that she needs.

Well, someone who's saying I'm going down in a blaze of glory is the right person to send out there to keep someone else from doing the exact opposite. That's brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. And I think he just he must be such a cool person. He seems like a really cool guy. I mean, just following him over the years and being a fan of his musical talents. And he is super talented. Yeah.

Yeah, no, he seems great. Well, yeah. So reading this story that I've seen all over the news, it just it made me go down a little bit of a rabbit hole and just reminded me, you know, we can help our friends, we can help ourselves in really easy ways. So there are a couple of studies for just how you can, you know, help your friends and and help yourself if you're, you know, feeling lonely or having a hard time or whatever, or you just, you know, want to improve your life.

So, um, a Harvard study said, um, that you need to find things, little things that have meaning for you. Um, you know, small ways of being of service to others, just anything super small is, you know, um, like holding the door for someone else, you know, um,

all kinds of small things like that. And with that comes setting small goals for yourself. They can be super easy, like making your bed in the morning or, you know, making sure you put your laundry in the laundry bin instead of on your floor, which is something that I struggle with sometimes. But, you know, scheduling pleasant events for yourself in the future and, you know, just the action of, of,

Small achievements, right? Yeah, small achievements. And once you start on that track and start improving down that way, it's

it, it, it snowballs and, you know, you can look back and be proud of, of the things that you've done. So, um, but yeah, so on just a quick Google search here, I found like there are tons of groups you can find just like local in Scottsdale. There are hiking groups, there are Bible studies. There are tons of different churches if you're a Christian or, you know, whatever faith you are and you can go bring your friends or just go and get clued in and, and make friends. But there are a ton of ways to, uh, to improve yourself and just, and, you know, get your, get yourself with people. So.

You know, one of the things and I've got to get back into doing it because I always had a good time with it. I volunteered in an animal shelter where I would go and I dealt with the big dogs that a lot of their people don't, you know, are a little afraid of. I actually have trouble with little dogs, little dogs like it's 50 50. They're either cool with me or they're like hate me and ready to kill me. But I do well with big dogs.

So I went down. I used to go down twice a week just to walk the bigger dogs. Right. And then clean up the yard where they've been pooping and whatnot. And I stopped. And I think I've got to get back into that because, man, I just remember when you're done with it there for an hour, 90 minutes, whatever. You just feel good the rest of the day. Yeah. Yeah.

And any small thing you're doing, you're helping other people. Even if you're just smiling at someone, you have no idea how much that could help their day. Pick up a piece of trash. Like you're walking down the sidewalk and you see some trash laying on the ground. Pick, just do that. Just pick that up. I love that. Yeah. So that just inspired me a little bit. So I just wanted to share what I found about that. I think that is brilliant. And, you know, giant thank you to John Bon Jovi. Well done. Well done, sir. Um,

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Anything left? Oh, one thing. Yeah. Diddy's lawyer did come out and say that he was buying them the baby oil in bulk because of Costco. And then Costco came out and said, we don't sell baby oil. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

So I'm here for it. I'm here for this. Okay. We are going to have to have a Diddy special episode at some point up here. It goes deep. Diddy's diddling has now probably likely sent him to jail for a very long time, but we'll be staying tuned and watching that. We're going to count on Kylie for all the fantastic updates for Chuck, for Jennifer, Kylie, for Jeremy in the booth, who always does a brilliant job for us and all the breaking battlegrounds crew. Thank you so much for tuning in. We'll be back next week.