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So tied at two on his ARM. That was just letters. I said, L O D.

And I ask mike what L O D stood for. And I was told a stood for lords of death. So ask, you know, for the meaning behind IT.

And only a couple people had the tattoo, apparently. And in order to get the tattoo, you had to take someone soul as a murder. Someone is what I was told, but never really clicked with me, that I was like they were really the lords of death.

I could just see them being like a cool were the lords of death. And that really meaning nothing, is how I looked at IT. But I was wrong and meant a lot.

Treasure banks hosted the new tenderfoot v podcast lords of death, foreign free bench subscribe a tender foot plus a tender fu plus out com up and vanished in the .

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Welcome to a new episode of up and vanished. This piso's is going to be a question and answer episode. We've collected a lot of your questions, and we're going to do our best to have pain and mike and myself occasionally answer them and give you the best answers that we can with what we can tell.

Obviously, there are still a lot of moving pieces, and there are lot of things that we can't talk about yet, but we're happy answers many questions as we can. So IT left, introduce the one of the only pain lenzing in mike rooney. We're just going to start here at the top for a list, and we're just going to work their way down answers and as you can.

So first question, hey, pain. You spend a lot of time focus on on organ, john. And I think some of IT is warranted. But are there any other suspects, persons of interest organ?

John is front center of flows case because because as we know, he's the last person to see her alive. Just plain in sample had her belongings in intent. There are definitely other people, names that have been brought up.

We have centered a few of them, and we've talked to a few of them. No matter how you slice IT, his name comes up in the story, no matter what that night, when flow up missing. And he remains at the center of the investigation.

But there are other people that we are aware of and other theories that also involved john himself that we've been looking into as well. And just to clarify for everyone, the first eight episodes were mostly about FLorence and as a listener might sound like we have stopped investigating her case, but it's truly exactly the opposite. We plan on doing a lot more episodes of this season, and there will be a certain stomach of this season that shift to focus back to flows investigation and continues on with jose's as well.

Yeah that's that's probably the most often ask question that we get is that did we forget about anyone? It's like, no, we didn't.

Yeah quite the contrary. I've i've learned more about closed case in the last couple of months than I have in the last two years. So and you and you will hear all that. So this next question .

comes from Christine, how foreign advances do you start working on a case before production begins on the podcast? Did you know when the beginning flows disappearance would be the subject of the next season? And if not, at what point is that decision made?

We work pretty foreign vents because we know as soon as, like once the podcast is out, cats out of the bag and our investigating strategy has to change completely.

We .

worked for, I want to say, almost close to a year on flow and cases before the pocket came out. We were in no one besides the people that we talk to an interviewed really knew what we were doing there. So we didn't stick out like that. We definitely would now, I believe, but we can't. We made a conscious, collective decision to cover both of these cases this season right from the ago after receiving the emails from their families and just doing some of our own plummet research yeah the start kind of .

the line because not only were these families reaching out, but one of the the sound designer, the guy who makes the masters, Cooper, who's not here right now, is actually from alaska. So there was a little more incentive, right, for you to go to alaska and do a story in our due cases in.

yeah, he first showed me the story, and we have thousands of emails, and the up advances in box, tender foot in box, just everywhere. And I just typed in name, and there were two emails, and they were from families. And like to me, that was like a star, a lining moment. And IT just looked like there was a lot of bad stuff happening in this place. And the families were familiar with this podcast and wanted our help to put IT in in the spotlight and try to find out as much as we could.

This next question comes from magazine. I'm just curious when you and your production team go and meet someone that could be dangerous, like goran john, do you have some sort of protection with you?

IT depends on what you mean by protection. I mean, we actually debated, yeah not not body guards if that's what you're referred to. But we actually debated a lot on whether or not we should be armed in certain situations this season.

Specifically the state of alaska seems to be pretty loose on guns out there. Really IT like we tried to protect ourselves in being ten steps ahead um and thinking about every worst case scenario. And if IT goes this way, we have a plan forward.

And because that way, we have a plan for IT. And so when meeting someone like organ, john, that was probably the crazier thing we've all collectively done thus far. And we didn't know how that would go or if I would even go. But we knew that if we were in a public place and out in the open, there was only so much that could happen in all likelihood, but still a very scary real risk that we were taking and you know took took very seriously because we we're not trying to get hurt out here either. So .

right, honestly, it's it's just a IT feels a little echo google like how do you get on a plane with a gun like that .

never felt yeah it's like we were trying to avoid IT like bringing that thought into the mix just sort of almost create this you know like war scenario that would we're just simply trying to ask questions and we we're not trying to combat anybody. If anything, we're the escalating from the start or at least .

trying to yeah I think bring gun to any situation is just your you're asking to escalate IT. And you're saying this is more of just asking questions, just trying to get someone on the record. Bring a gun to that kind of situation is probably like you're putting some weird not intentions in your head, but you know you .

putting that out there .

yeah you're been a little more paranoid. So I remember we quickly abandon the idea of like traveling with .

a gun or any it's like I we're planning on using IT like I hope not right. So um I think there's a lot to be said about the element of surprise. And when something happens all the sudden, if if you just pop up somewhere and Randy start talking to somebody and interview them, ask them questions about a case, there's a moment where they're still figuring out what's going on and you already know exactly what's going on.

We're going less of how how nervous I am. They're still piece IT together in by the time they are or do at all. It's it's over on sometimes in in situations in some situations like that.

This question comes from laun. SHE wants to know how much time passed from when you first reached out to organ john, to when you actually met him.

I want to to see, about eight months, I sent a method on facebook from this fake facebook account that I have way, wait early on, and he actually responded to me, and I just kind of acted like he might know who I am or something, or just, I think I have something like, how is alasia ban or I don't know of something like that.

And he responded probably like eight months later when we were on the mission to find out where he was and go and try to actually interview him, is when we cannot burn the dilma of, do we approach him this way or that way? And so regardless, I started messaging him again from that same account, just being friendly also to try to find out where he was because we didn't really know and no one knew. So I think planning the seed of that first message eight months earlier is why he probably met with us in the first place. I think that I would have been way more such looking if we just came out of the work work and said, hey you, anna, meet tomorrow just out of the blue.

This was really a puzzle that ultimately you figured out pain, how to find them, which I don't know if you want to talk about. But yeah, just we were regular brains for days trying to forget out where he was going to when yeah.

and we had several other plans ready to go and then realized that that s not going to work. Oh wow, he's not even gonna there. So where is he onna be? We're not going to go to his house and the so like how do we meet a melt in in public and I mean, what you heard all that in the finding john episode, but yeah, we really did not know what to expect.

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in terms supply, sabina asks now that the podcast is out, does organ john know who you are?

Organ john most certainly knows who I am. Hi john. Yeah, we knew that eventually that was going to happen, right? Just pace, past experiences.

You, the dog, the one of the main persons of interest in season and three, actually, case Cooper and I flew out specifically to montano one week to go find him and talk to him. And if he were call IT, he didn't go over that. Well, he didn't want to talk right.

And looking back that that was a more dangerous situation than organ, john, because we were up on this hill, we are the mild nowhere. And I was in his house waiting for him to come up stairs, just making small talk with his roommate. Once he learned why I was there and what I want to talk about, he was pretty pissed about IT.

And just kind of reflecting back on that, you I asked many questions as I could as I was walking out the door, as he's asked him, me to leave this property and doing all those things. But you only learned so much in a couple of minutes. He's like being defensive and he's this not an actual interview or conversation that you could yield a lot of beneficial evidence from if there wasn't need to be found during .

your conversation with organ jana at the bar, he mentioned this crazy theory that her body was stuff in a barrel on some meth dealers property. So the question is, Daniel, is there any validity to that theory? And have you heard that from anyone else?

He's the only person i've heard tell a story like that i've heard like this specific being in a barrel in someone s house. No one else that i've talked to at all has made that bold of a claim or assertion. Maybe if you look back, john claims that she's dead, murdered and knows who did IT.

No one has said that besides him. And so I don't believe that story, but I think we know some of the people he might have been referring to in that narrow they gave us. But my god is that he just said that because he wanted to move on in the conversation.

And gotta, remember, we read the bar with john for over two hours, and we didn't just talk about known influence the whole time, because that would have been very weird. IT naturally came up in conversation super early when he talked about gold mining and name. And then we just kind of keep IT going. And why do you leave? And so really the the hardest part of that conversation was trying to find ways to go back to that conversation again when he wanted to talk about other things.

Yeah, he really wanted to talk about guns in his wife and not about name. But yeah, I think you're right. I think he was trying to put like some finality on IT where he was even saying like the FBI solved IT found that yeah .

he's like that's over yeah that was that's what I got out of that was that yeah he was murder and put in a barrel in it's some of this meet doors house and know they thought I was me but you know but they saved IT it's good now because we were playing IT down like don't know shit about this case but I think he said that just a yellow like he said, like to close this out and move on will any of .

the footage or audiotape of john be admissible for the F, B, I or the known .

police admissible? I think that only refers to the courtroom. If you, if a judge finds this type admissible based on X, Y, Z, i'm not an expert in that area. Um I think in terms of a police investigation, absolutely, if there's a recording of somebody that says something suspicious or slips out some sort of admission of something, then please always use that kind of stuff. Witness says what maybe you .

want to go deeper into your own experience while making this season? I really love hearing more about your own emotions, feelings, experiences while tackling this case.

Well, first all, thank you, because reddit does not. To me, the experience is so is so bizarre and so real. And sometimes in an episode IT can sound super cinematic and almost in some way, maybe like take away from the reality up at all. And so just kind of reflecting back on three seasons of up and vanished.

I wanted to kind of pull the curtain back a little bit more and let you hear of some of those inside conversations, the stuff that happens before and after, and take you into my head in a moment, just like take you there as clothes. I can, because that's what we experiences, that how I experienced IT. And I think that IT shows how high the stakes really are and is also a reminder of how real these people's lives are. And that, to me, is of utmost importance.

Yeah, I think it's a reflection of you know your evolution as like a you know podcast .

I can already to see someone on read or somewhere I ago was pat themself on the back again so going shut up. But I I I like the question um and I appreciate that you appreciate that part of in the midnight sun I wanted to let you in a little bit more you can view the here that however I can control that but for me sincerely IT was being more vulnerable and I felt like that was that important in stories like this to give you as much context as possible and also help gain trust with other people just being real and being real of them and you know, not being afraid to show what's going on.

Mickey asks, what's the hardest part about creating a podcast in alaska? Do the local seam receptive to you solving this .

case honestly, like ninety nine percent of the people unknown from my experience that i've talked to were super helpful. They wanted to talk, even if they were nervous or scared. They overcame IT, and they were willing to throw whatever they had to do to get this story out there on a bigger platform because that affects their everyday life.

There's only a handful of people that have been weird about talking to us, and it's no one has the obligation to talk to any journalist or podcasting at all. And IT doesn't mean that your suspicious hercules ty, if you don't. But I would say, honey ly, ninety nine percent of the people in them have met us mostly with open arms. There has been some hesitation, but we've you worked at gaining that trust. And there are people who are just fuck off and but that's everywhere yeah.

I think a cool thing about them is they're very aware of these cases. And if you talk to anyone about forest, this case, it'll probably bring up Joseph case or you'll probably bring up so you i've enough, they they they don't want these things happening in their town. And if you talk to him about just this case, i'll bring up for in this case, like they're very aware of this and they they know there's been some wrong doing that. I don't think anyone in the .

time once repeat IT IT, they're also perplexed as to why the police have not solved these cases. And for a lot of people who live there, that reality is way different. To live in that and to not feel like you can trust blaw enforcement on a daily basis. I can't imagine what that's like, especially a place like no isolated far out there.

Shane asks, what's up with the discord? How's that working out for you?

The discord doesn't sane. We knew that would be if you've been a long time listener of up and vanished in you're there in the beginning twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, we had a discussion board that was really, really active and the suspects and the community were all up in there. And IT was IT was a crazy place because everyone's kind of hiding behind a user name.

And you know there is a level everyone's pretty much anonymous ous, unless they say who they are or prove who they are or someone comes out of that will work in, proves to us that, that is who that is. And really, it's an investigative tool. It's not really like A A fan club group or discussion. It's it's, it's a place where people can speak anonymous ly, and a place where we can hopefully find new leads and try to control the chaos as much as possible.

Yeah, turns into a lot of fighting almost every time. This, which is a bammer.

but I know it's not .

have no matter what yeah .

people just get him in. They're gonna get this. And so yes, there's a lot of babysitting that happens as well. And up not knowing who to trust them there as a moderator or whoever.

And people just making things up out in the open and shifting things and directions that IT shouldn't be going on. But the good thing that comes out of all the silver lining is that we see all this like we're logging all of this. And I know for factors been some people in the discord who are purposefully making shutt up because they're guilty of something.

I guess that's kind of the the double ge sort of anibal. You know, like you can get really great tips because people aren't RAID to come forward, but you also get a lot of your site assholes who are just turn up drama just for the sake of drama. So it's it's hard to sit through that. But I feel like we're doing a good job with the amount of people who are in there and we're finding good information and maybe finding new leads.

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Tools be out there. They find those discords.

So a bunch of people are asking him about Joseph cell phone when he went missing was his car phone recovered? Was the information that was recovered from that? That's been useful to investigation? We haven't really discussed on the podcast. But what can you say about that?

Yeah but they never found justice phone, unfortunately. And the cell towers there. I think what i've seen from the private investigators homework in investigation is that there's really only one tower, one cell tower.

no. So there's no way to like trying late any kind of location of where he was during that weekend. So yeah, there's not much to go off there.

Yeah yeah. All the information we have in regards to jose's phone or from his actual cell phone records themselves. And unfortunately, they don't have a detailed spell out of what his text messages were saying. We know his what's up messages to his Fiona because we have her ends of the conversation. But unfortunately, we don't have Christine because SHE wiped her phone or something yeah.

So getting more to the specifics of some of the people surrounding the case of what people are asking about Josephine c mac writer working, he tells him about her SHE hasn't really played a main part in the podcast persae. But is there anything going on behind the scenes with her?

yeah. I mean, personally, I talk to the families a lot, mag being one of them. She's been an active participant behind the scenes regards of whether not you've heard at a full interview from her or something, but she's the one who gave us all of the voice notes.

You heard of Joseph real voice and has worked in tandem with the family and his entire friend circle since day won in spearheading, trying to find out what happened to him. And so we talk to a lot of people, her included, that are close to the victims, even if you don't hear interviews with them. First say so .

another question that come up a few times, people are really curious about Joseph s. Credit or stables. One of the things you figured out in the podcast was that his credit card was used after he had disappeared. Are there going to be a new updates on that? And is there any plan to try to investigate that and you further?

yes. So we've done a lot of homework on that specific thing, and i've been trying my hardest to pen point particular items that were purchased at the bananas a express. And I have the birth dates of the individual who made the purchase, who who bought this stuff but and all likelihood, IT seems like the birthdays that were punched in was just like if you went to your local supermarket and they're like, oh, you're over twenty one and ago put in a random you know, birthday but we do know who those individuals are.

I think that they are completely unrelated, but we know specific items that were purchased, that were purchased repeatedly on different days, so likely the same person or group of people buying this stuff. And we've done our best to try to find out who would have bought those things without letting the cat out of the bag. But we also plan on based on how much further we get just straight up telling you guys because I think that the community itself could answer that question if if we just tell them specifically what IT is.

So definitely more to come on that. And that, that was the Cliff hanger of the first installment. But we've been we've learned a lot about the credit card issue. There is stuff about the security footage from there that's gone IT is in in other ways to the story. But we plan on telling you as much as we know about that specific piece of evidence, if we want to call that very soon. Actually, the tap presents the ins and outs of caring for your home out protestant ation, putting IT off, taking the cat down the road in plants and guides that make IT easy to get home projects done out carpet in the bathroom, like why in knows what to do, what to do IT and who to hire. Start caring for your whole with confidence, outlook them that today.

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big question we're getting. People are really wanting an update on the peskov family and how they're involved in this case. I know early on when we talk to a private investigator, andy climbs, or we had mentioned, you know, is there is something to this.

The best coy is being involved in his takes seemed to be that there was just such a large family and such a small town that eventually you just couldn't help but run into a pooah. But i'm curious like what your take is on what you've uncovered through all of these files, listening to everything, talking people in? No, where are you at that regardless .

of whatever last name or whatever family you want to refer to? In Joseph case, like in the case of Joseph disappearance, there are people that we have interviews with recordings of who have bold faced, lied repeatedly on different occasions, and their stories just don't match up. Now I don't know that doesn't everyone is in guilty of something right? Like that's impossible.

But why is anyone lying when you're being questioned by an investigator about a missing person who's supposedly your friend, but or you know someone you consider family yourself? Why is there any need to lie about anything? And and it's not just stuff like I forgot the exact time or this or that we have a lot of tape, thanks to all the hard work that, that was done, and we have a lot of new tape to compare IT to.

We can see what someone said eight years ago and see what they are saying now. We can see what they said in july of twenty sixteen or october of twenty sixteen. And those things are not adding up.

And IT IT appears like a narrative. Tive was being stitched together in some way, shape or form, is the only way that I can realize IT. And the only way to clear IT up is if any of these people talk to whoever, and they can say, i've already talk to the police.

Well, if the police is your cousin, or if it's still unsolved, like, and he's your friend and you care about this missing person, then talk again, like everyone else is talking, you know, I mean, so I think that there probably is a level of fear. And some people are known in terms of their closest to certain people. Maybe they have been friends for a long time and and they didn't know all this stuff and they don't want you, their family name, to be brought down in some way if somebody alone individual did something right.

But there are there's a pattern of lying that we have discovered here from people who are related to each other. And that's just a fact. Do do whatever you want with that.

But when they lie to police officers, that that's a crime. So and IT seems like every day we find a new one and will out will outline all of this stuff very specifically. So you can see what we're talking about and you don't have IT doesn't take a rocket scientist to stitch IT together.

It's this person saying this on this date, and then this on this date, and then this on this date. Why are those things so off? And why doesn't IT match this? They all couldn't have happened.

And why is that? That is all connected to one group of people who were saying these things that don't match when mostly everything else does that up. So it's just like a common sense thing that you know I I think in had investigators kept investigating, they would have probably been able to get to the bottom of a long time ago.

Kind of a follow up question. I know that you've spent a lot of time reaching out to a lot of people who are close to this case, and you aren't getting a lot of responses from some of the people that you're hoping to talk to. And I think because of that, you're having to rely on a lot of second hand accounts and second and information to piece together these narratives. If assuming that these people are listening, is there anything that you would want to say to them that might convince them to wanna talk to you?

I mean, assuming that any of them are listening, if I ve tried to talk to you and you've declined and you're scared or nervous about what's going to happen if you do, if you're genuine with me, there's really nothing to be afraid of, especially if you didn't do anything wrong, right?

Even if you did do something wrong or you you know something that happened and you you're witness of something IT IT feels like now would be the best time to say something because I think when it's all sudden done and we've packaged up all that we know and what we've discovered and combine that with all the eight years of work on Joseph case, it's it's gona land on an investigator office that's not local who we're going to compel to go investigate because crimes were committed in terms of lying to the cops. I don't know about you guys, but like I don't know, isn't IT every in every true crime documentation you've ever watched? If you light to the cops, they pick you up and interrogate you. That just seems like it's I don't .

know now yeah, I think that's totally that's what IT is. You know it's like they kind of either just by being at the wrong place at the wrong time or by doing the wrong things at the wrong time, made themselves the center of this investigation. You know, because of that, they've always been in that place now. And it's unfortunate, but that's how the cookie grumbles. I guess, you know, all we can do is just track that down and do our best to get to the the real story .

there yeah and I think like early stages when you hear of the investigation talking to people like jake, they only knew so much because I was very fresh. They knew that jacket lied and texted his friends to create nil by, but that's really all they knew. But the lies go beyond that.

That can be factually, literally, physically proven beyond eye witness accounts. And so IT wasn't just okay. We get IT your nervous will let you pass on this one.

I think the hold I was just nervous thing becomes A A little films here if there is more lies uncovered after the fact. And so we'll see if a higher government agency wants to take that seriously and will do our best to present IT, a digestible， legitimate way professionally. And with the help of you guys, the listeners, and we can make some noise about, hey, we think some thing is wrong with this.

Why don't the people who can actually do anything about IT can actually make an arrest, can actually bring the sort of justice that we're talking about in terms of breaking laws, murder? We can try to compel them to go look into this again. I think if they do, they're gonna say, holy shit is right here from of us.

So we have so many questions asking the same thing here. Everyone wants an update on what's gonna happen with flows case. Is there any plan for the future of up advantage to do a more of the deep dive on flow or organ, john? Or the case in general.

the answer is absolutely yes. Um we already have so much new information that we're compiling and putting together and you will hear IT. The first seven episodes of the season were mostly focused on flooran ces disappearance and towards the end, we dumped tailed into Joseph case.

And just like we did in the first half, we are going to do the same coming up. And we plan on doing another installment of at least eight episodes after this that focuses on both. Now weed collectively know the information, right? And we will obviously catch you up to speed and remind you and recap on important details. But now that we're collectively familiar with these cases moving forward, it's going to become a poca series about both cases, intend them so that all the time we .

have today to answer these questions, we really appreciate you sending of these questions and showing us how interested you are in this investigation. IT fuels us to keep going and and intern IT allows us to give you Better content. So thank you for your time and thank you, pain and mike for taking the time to answer these questions. And we ll see you next week and up and vanished in the midnight sun.

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