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Eighteen plus, T, N, C, apply. When I stumbled upon an old box full of V H. S. Tapes and police reports, I didn't expect uncover connections to several unsolved murders near my hometown a bit, investigating how these murders could be connected to a group called the lords of death. Check out this clip from the show.

So tied at two on his ARM. That was just letters. I said, L O D.

And I ask mike what L O D stood for. And I was told a stood for lords of death. So ask, you know, for the meaning behind IT.

And only a couple people had the tattoo, apparently. And in order to get the tattoo, you had to take someone soul as a murder. Someone is what I was told, but never really clicked with me, that I was like they were really the lords of death.

I could just see them being like a cool were the lords of death. And that really meaning nothing, is how I looked at IT. But I was wrong and meant a lot.

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Alright, this will be an interview prevent I lamor and jake is its student beans. Did you have friends over to the house on friday or saturday night?

I didn't have friends friday and. Most definitely didn't have friends the next night.

You aware from going to the beach with Chrissy on? So you no, he probably would left like a restaurant noon.

OK home on me.

Okay.

so he .

was missing sunday afternoon.

Sounds like because that sounds like you are the last person to see him.

Okay, so I was countries of myself. I will bridge up in saturday evening.

Do you remember what you are doing on friday? easy.

No, I do not.

You remember if Joseph truck was at the house when you got home saturday night?

No, I don't. Do you .

just get dropped off? yeah. Remembers seeing the pick up that he was using at the house on sunday.

Justle summer, there might be some confusion if you have talked to stay tubers before. They first asked me what I did that saturday night, and I couldn't remember to save my life and so on the spot, i've never talked to state uber like this about a missing person. So I made a dum move in a bit of story to me.

IT seems like either you are lying now or you are lying then. IT doesn't sound like you're being on a percent truthful with me. What did you tell the troopers that .

wasn't true that I went down, down the teleport to a different bridge. He went straight to my friends and they got a different story. I didn't make me look at this or I was lining to them.

They came back to me. After all, the question doesn't matter with your story. What are you really doing now?

What are you saying at that point? Came back, where did you go to tell .

the drop you off somewhere?

He dropped you off and then you say, made a home thirty. So what was the rest of the would you night?

IT doesn't sound like you're being .

a one hundred percent truthful with me. We get four, five hours in the evening that I love to know what you did. I mean.

what happened after you .

can .

entire drop yb?

That's the question.

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的。

So what did you do saturday night when you got back to home from bridge jumping?

Honest, more unlikely. I probably went to get.

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The timeline for that weekend is covered with holes after midnight friday. Something bad happened to Joseph. And from that point forward, nothing makes sense anymore. Joseph texted his fiancee saturday morning, but he feels like IT wasn't really him and unexplained twenty seven minute phone call with Christine. Was he really at the beach with her? Jake does not remember that, but he does remember seeing Joseph the home way sunday at one p.

What are yours sort of good instincts about what probably happened to him?

I think something bad happened .

to my mom said.

when the shift form there was dirty, plus Better that area, I think a Better might gotten.

I talked to Joseph sister, who was a part of every search, and he saw zero bears.

I wish i'm with in the same boo. I just want to find him. I just want to know happened.

You remember about when you get home after being a bridge .

jumping beyond st. That you I really don't remember what .

time and what does jack remember exactly about anything?

And who are you with?

Friend, tiger, friend.

very OK Tyler and memory.

maybe they can help me in the nice to meet you. This cake had difficulty remembering events from saturday or saturday night. Was he messed up that day? Was he like drinking or drinking like I said me one bridge jumping in every weekend, so summer time nice just. bridge. So mean, do you think that was unusual that jake was trying to get people to say they were with him saturday night? He was doing that?

No, he was because we have the text he sent you guys about .

that tell you something. I told the trooper, jack, nobody doing IT being stupid to come up with the story or something, because there is one of the trip way or something. Did you pick up? jack? And every on saturday think so. So what do you do after getting back to home on saturday night, like about ten thirty? I know that jack played some games.

so Tyler takes in ryan jake bridge jumping saturday, conflicting times and locations. But putting that aside, Tyler ins up back at jack house, playing video games at night and playing .

video games to play for cup flowers or so. How long do you think you are object saturday night timer.

Is he a train conductor from the one thousand nine, twenty years? What timer?

We're wasting your time. You're wasting our time. We got no beneficial stuff for you.

Oh, he must have thought his pocket watch this time.

What happened after you .

guys want .

entire the drop job?

Jack says he was playing video games saturday night.

too. And who are you with?

In my friend Tyler and my friend .

chicken Tyler, playing video games pass midnight. So what's up with .

tandi Clair mi buu? The a in conference room is the first of october twenty sixteen in the time now about two twenty one P M.

And the interviewed memory.

you're trying to get a Better information on what was going on the weekend of june twenty five, that the weekend, mr. Balder, is when missing and that be the weekend that the troopers asked you about at some point. And do you remember what you were doing on friday, saturday and sunday of that weekend?

This is exactly what I told the tubes. My, they have no married that that I mean, we ever what I was, but I believe as we went out to state, I don't remember the exact date, so I can't really what anything in there .

for you today. And this is a bridge jumpy, right? Yes, you think that would have been friday or saturday. You guess is as good as mine. okay. Do you remember if you want bridge jumping, like two days or two nights in a row, like friday and saturday, both?

I want to be surprised.

I like guys would go to do this a lot. The summer, right? yes. And so be hard to distinguish .

like that again from another ouch to play right?

Just a blurr how we to believe anything they say.

Do you still have any the text messages on your phone? There was a whole confusing thing where jake was, you tried.

yeah. So here's what he said happened. He said.

They asked him what happened that day. He said, I couldn't remember. So I just made something up. And as I told him, women out on this freedom. Why did you lie for more thing .

you could do what .

he jack, yeah ah what did you say?

Like I told him when you talking was like the worst thing you can do.

we do dog telling me stupid and give a much of crap.

So anyway, you still have any text messages from way back then.

I'd have to scroll that, but I could find that right now if you want to me to, but i'd be scrawled on for IT.

Well, let's see because otherwise at some point it's going to get lost. So let's just see if you can find them.

Mi eventually does .

find them for.

Andy took pictures of myth phone in the conversation. He had a jack. He goes like this, jack emory, I had to use you entirely in a story for the state trooper.

Really, what did you say, jake, that us. Three took a drive to Solomon at eight P, M, got back at like one, A, M. This is supposed to be saturday night.

The day before he went missing, he asked what I did saturday, if I saw or what? Not right? All right.

Pretty basic conversation. Beer though. But I notice something that was slightly different. In the stay troopers report, be nothing, but at at least in the police report, they refer to these same text, but in the trooper s version, in reread ded differently, saying, quote, I honestly don't remember that day at all. And jae responded, quote me neither. So either those two text were deleted prior to andy's interview, or the state trooper just pulled that quote at a thinner I like. So did you think that .

was unusual that jake was trying to give people to say they were within that saturday night we were .

with him and just he said he didn't remember that day he start to make something out. I guess I pan if I don't know why.

So tell me what jake said later about us after the trooper contact. And you guys talked about, you know, talked about that. What did what did you say about why he lied about that?

He just that's just what happened. That's just what that's just what can you had guess? He said he doesn't remember that day, so he didn't want to seem suspicious or anything, but he did the worst thing.

If he didn't remember, then how would you even know he's lying?

I told me that he looks suspicious.

Yes, exactly.

So you don't really have an independent memory of this particular weekend, right? So when do any good to ask .

you questions about that particular weekend? He just told me what he told you guys, and I guess he assumed I was going to say the same stuff. I thought this thing was just a few question because there's really nothing .

I can say about that. And I eliminated like ninety percent.

okay.

Did jack at any point actually ask you to lie for him about anything that weekend?

He wanted me to stick with that story, but I .

figured .

since now added either of them don't know what happens.

as jack said, anything about jose's disappearance.

just they were talked to.

The rooms .

are right next. They just keep to themselves every time I was there and joe come home, you go either to the kitchen, makes some food, and then straight his room. He talks on the front of lot. That's really much. Always been straight to his room, never said anything to us.

Joseph.

you know there's any.

Friction between jake and Joseph.

I believe.

IT, did you ever .

meet to follow that? What missing one .

dance stairs in the kitchen where he was staying, where jack lives? Hi, introduced bus off one night when he was cooking. Show a hand that was about IT. I was back up. There is surly small games of chick.

Now IT is .

all the time I talked.

Have you known jake? All you .

like soft high school song sound like that.

What are your general impressions of?

Jack is a person is one of my best friends. All you get to here hang out them every day.

Is the honest?

yeah. So I want to be a friend if he was. But he he's one of my best friends is. Probably they hit over there, this.

the three best as friends. I wonder what emi talked to jake about after this, or maybe he completely forgot to even go over there.

At least they are consistent if .

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So compiling all the facts and the statements made by jake and his friends, Tyler and emory IT appears a certain parts of that weekend. They remember quite clearly they did go bridge jumping. They think, let's say, was saturday or both days, even collectively, they do remember doing that in coming back in the town that saturday evening.

Both jake and Tyler claim they spent the rest of the night at jake house playing video games, and according to them, both Joseph and Joseph truck were not there. The rest of IT is fuzz for them. But on sunday morning, jack's memory is Crystal clear again, and he recalls with near certainty that he saw Joseph truck back at the house and sold Joseph himself in the home way at one P.

M. If this is true, it's like a David blame reappearing magic trick. The window of time in which choice could have come back to the house unnoticed and leave immediately again at one P.

M. Beyond bizarre behavior. Also, how do you do IT? And you think if you really came back to the house sunday, one P. M, he respond to any of the dozens of my calls and messages people were blowing up his phone.

Okay, devils advocate, maybe his phone was broken, then why not email your fiancee just like you did on friday? And where would Joseph be heading back out to at this point anyway, and that he bring his broken phone with him? Do you who am saying here, any way you try to rationalize jack sighting of Joseph on sunday makes no sense whatsoever.

Ver, so let's continue trying to fill these gaps here. After andy spoke to Tyler and emery, he followed up with another one of jax friends named cam. Cam was also a part of jake friend group and hanging around that weekend, the Joseph missing here's ananda's phone call with them.

We're trying to get Better information and a Better understanding of what was going on, on the weekend of june twenty fifth when josep went less part of this part partly because jay had travel uh, initially figure out what was going on. If you recall what you were doing on that friday, saturday and sunday.

The friday I can't really remember, but I do know that saturday we went out bridge jumping to cnc bridge. We're probably out there too, maybe six h and then came back .

into town, back.

I would probably say, anywhere from seven to eight, eight, thirty.

So always driving.

I believe I drove my vehicle. I know Tyler had his so how .

sure are you doing? Guys went out there on saturday versus friday.

I wanted say i've be about eighty percent sure that we're out down up driving. I can look at pictures for what day was again.

just saturday was june twenty five. So we're looking we're wondering about the .

twenty fourth in the twenty fifth. I know.

okay. During twenty six we were out at salmon lake so that must have been the twenty or that we went to send and say.

are the twenty .

spit if we're at seven and lake, I have have a picture of me and one of my friends that was there.

But that and a data or something .

on that other is a date. No, my cage in twenty five. No, teller iron.

So to take, ever ask you to say that you are within that weekend?

No, he never asked me to ever say anything to anyone specifically about anything about OK.

You, sometime .

shortly after that weekend, play handsome injuries on his face.

yeah.

Know anything about that?

yeah. I was with them right before IT happened. And they went out to safety road house. And they were playing catch with a football. And jack had fAllen and scratched up his face that pretty.

Is this place on j told you somebody else tell .

you about that I learn and they told me about IT. They sent me a snap at of his face when he was sleeping in the vehicle. And then I said, yeah, 这 也 在车上 的。

What does his face look like?

The scratch gaps on like a chin jy area, one on this cheap bone. And I think he had one on .

this race to see. So saturday you would have gone to salmon lake.

yeah.

And what time do you think everybody got .

back at one cloud around the same time frame? Seven to eight, eight, thirty, when I started cold outside?

Is there any small gathering or party on friday or saturday of that weekend?

saturday. And now I want to say there was a bachelor party at the table. That's what I was doing on that night, saturday night.

Jack was there.

No, yes, jack was with me. Jack was with me. That's when he first that night at the.

What just own a .

lot land they call .

IT that did. But it's the palmer rankings on my life. Life could go other with you. I remember IT well. Now.

why? Why do you remember? Well.

that's when he first met that night. He was this funny is a funny washing. Jack doctor .

can remembers clearly and differently that saturday night, come on, jake were .

at a party.

But I said that he was with me out there.

So jack went to a party with cam on saturday night.

Then out with you yeah .

he and can drove .

jake out there.

Everybody else like to you.

yes, two pharmacy interns, my mom work for that. They wrote out there with means later.

and so they would have run out there with new N. J.

Positive that he was with me out there. I know jake was there was because as we were leaving, he is trying to get to come to go home with him. But he said, negative.

you have a memory of dropping to take off when you get back .

to town yeah, because I went over to his house to live with happy and the other pharmacy student, we were there for a while, and then I dropped him off to go to house. And then that when I dropped up the farming in turns and then i'd went home.

All of you went over to jake, and literally.

when you get back, yes, there for no more than an hour, then I had dropped him off, and then I had drop them off. And I went home.

And then you drop.

take off the.

Sensor in your hearing is jake summer girlfriend.

so what time did you drop?

Them, I would say after for him for her .

protection, i'm going to refer to her as lia.

When you ve got to the house saturday night, that actually won't bet you're pretty early in the morning when you that came back from that point. Was jose's struck there or was josep .

at the house? No, I don't believe. I know he wasn't there, and I do not believe this vehicle is there. Jack didn't usually like us coming over too late or staying too late as Joseph was Better.

So cam tells a completely different story. He says that saturday evening he drove jake and himself out to a big borne fire party. And he's certain IT was that night.

And he remembers IT because I was the first night that jake met lia, a summer intern who had soon become jack's girlfriend. So jake lied to the police more than once. He told the troopers that on saturday night, he stayed in and played video games at IT house.

Tyler said that too. He also told andy that he went to sleep afterwards. But I have multiple videos and pictures with the meta data in them that clearly state the date and time and show for a fact the he was at this party, but why would he lie about this?

Cam says they left the party super late, went back to jake house for an hour around four out, drop j off at the house, which had have been five a or later. Cam also did not remember seeing Joseph or his truck, the house. So this time window now has shrunk tremendously. Josep would have ve had to have magically appeared between six A M and like twelve thirty pm on sunday.

And if jack really went to this girl leas house, then what time did he go back home in order to go to sleep, wake up and all the sudden have a perfectly clear recollection of Joseph in their house? It's more like, which lie do we want to believe? More importantly, why is anyone lying here in the first place?

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Going back through all the tape, andy himself pointed out something weird that jackets said on his own about lea this summer girlfriend. On the day that andy went to jake's house to take pictures and have them cycle around through that rifle, he made an interesting comment .

that stood out to him.

So would you mind cycling one of these through the rifle? And then let me keep .

IT winter woman, could you just .

do IT right now, just cycle one through because he just, just loaded IT and put one in the chAmber.

then eject IT?

That's you.

All right, not a year before .

andy was out the door, jake had one last question for him.

Time is curious, but my mom ask me how everything you like? He was fine told. 这么 快 是 不然 在 这方面。

And SHE was the sun side .

in turn SHE was about pair for 做人。 He's .

referring to lia. He yeah .

you brought up and I was curious how that's .

not running a bill who was IT again .

an an intern wear where .

he worked he was working .

with the camp partment. You know they host the summer program for a important day. Teenagers, they give them exercising in the summary. Now help you late. The things he said my or was just a .

girl for your girlfriend? Oh, no, actually I didn't know about her.

One no actually was SHE even been known .

this summer and go here for about three equals.

like her, our whole family.

From the same program, but they were really will chosen that in other cities.

And SHE was doing that when you guys just stated washing is here.

SHE came up here. I matter with the help .

her .

today.

K did SHE go out bridge .

shopping .

with you? there. Were there? I don't OK.

Sorted all of that group where they all out there.

yeah.

So you ever come by the house here? Did SHE .

meet Joseph? no.

Mountains before? No, I told about this earlier. Like I actually think you can't break out on and is going.

To hurt to hear him so i'm terphenyls, but jack basically says, I told her about this and he kind of freak out. And he said, we didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. Nothing to worry about, freaked out what you mean.

freak out what you get out.

He never, since I don't know.

it's surprised.

Guess is right. Why would SHE freak out? Or did he even freak out? Or why are you so concerned about her in this moment? You rather up to andy on your own.

And why didn't you tell anyone else about this girlfriend or the night that you matter? What does jake not want her to know? Okay, i'm going to take you back nearly two years ago to the very first time I met andy.

cLassier. We SAT down in an airbnb. And my, can I set up poor first interview with andy at this point in time? I knew very little about .

Joseph case. I is impressive.

Thank you. Hands out is just so in death. And I take my and i'm impressed.

Well, thank you. I'd ever get any feedback on my work, the authorities I work for. It's just like, oh, this is just what they expect.

And you know a about an hour into our discussion, andy starts to attack the details of jose's roommate, jack.

They realized that he was texting friends, trying to get friends to create an alias forum for saturday night.

Why would somebody be doing that?

Obviously, because he was trying to hide something. So that alone should have opened a murder investigation, right? But they didn't.

What do you think, in terms of investigative steps would be the things that we need to focus on .

and hit the woman and flow them?

I was just a girl. L of your girlfriend. Oh, no, actually I didn't know about her. When did you go back to florida?

The woman in florida, lia jx girlfriend that summer, the one need he wanted to follow up on.

I don't think so. Not unless the attorney, you say they're somewhere to do.

tend to hear. But jack asked andy if the cops are going to interview her.

If I had continued working on this, the first thing I would have done is talk to the woman in florida. There were some college students from out of state who had come up to do some kind of field word. That summer, the roomy had met one of these Young women.

That woman would be a very important person to talk to. In my opinion, all roads lead back to the room. Mate, when did he see him that night? How along was he with him? How was he acting? Did he say anything about his romance? There's a lot of questions that someone should ask her.

You know, why is he lying about what he was doing? Why was he trying to create an, he is the only person who claims to Joseph on sunday. If I had continued working on this, the first thing I would have done is talk to this girl and .

florida all these years later, like the true detectives. Is the one thing that kept andy up at night about this case was jake's girlfriend that summer, lea, who apparently moved back to florida in August twenty sixteen. So ever since then, from last two years, we've been trying our hardest s definer, and we found her.

During the day on saturday, june twenty five, I went bridge jumping, but jake was not there. Later that saturday night, I went to a party at a camp outside, known the party was late. I probably started around ten or eleven pm and went until four arrive in the morning.

Jake was at this party. I know that for certain, because I talk to him face to face for over thirty minutes. Just mean him.

I was having a drink standing by a cag at the party. And that's when jake first approached me. We talked for a while, then eventually we walked off on our own.

It's a little .

lazy because I had been drinking, but I remember we had a very long conversation.

To the side.

And then then give me. This is lia jx girlfriend that summer who we met the night .

of june twenty fifth. So I meet jack at this party. Everyone's drunk. And let me just proposed by saying my life is entirely, we died now. We drink a lot, a lot, a lot.

He's just like playing with me like he's literally just like once to my number once you get to know me when talking about our birthdays and then he gives me definitely wasn't like a five or ten minute conversation. We like talk, got each other other's number. He literally kissed me like spend time talking, getting to each other, each other.

He was mostly just hitting on me. I remember being by the car, talking to him, and the girls came like, come on, let's go. So I went from talking to him, champing, getting my number and everything, and then leaving in my daughter.

Key claims to the cups by its wealth. Thirty A M. He was back at his house. No, playing video games.

No, that is straight. Not sure.

Why would you say that?

I have no idea. So many people saw you at this party. Where are you not coming out and saying that you were there? And as you did, even if you were black out drunk and don't remember being at that party, and people are asking you your alibi, why not just say you're there? Wouldn't you just text us and to say, hey guys, can you not just confirm that we at this party. All the girls that in turns I ve lived with.

we all left together. I was drunk.

I litter, was completely asleep. The next morning I saw that he had texted me and trying to come over.

But then I totally that cam claims he dropped jack off at her house around five A M, and SHE says .

he didn't come over.

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We're still very deep into both investigations right now in the amount of new information we're getting is insane. Next thursday, we're dropping episode seventeen. It's a final episode, but only for now because after that, we're coming back with eight more episodes. And in this final installment will be tied together, closing the nuts on the disappearances of Joseph leras and FLorence ocp oic, starting with FLorence. So like I said, this is far from over.

And next week will be the finale episode of this installation, and after a short break, will be returning with eight more episodes on these same two cases, starting firstly with FLorence, ocp, olic and what we've learned over the last six months. So tune next thursday for the biggest episode this season by far, and learn more about where these cases are going. If you want to discuss the case more, join our discord. There's a link to the discord in the description you can call me on instagram at pain lenzing and at up vanished. See next week.

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Your host is pain. The show was written by pain lenzing with additional assistance from mike oni. Executive producers are Donald Operate and pain lenny.

Lead producer is Michael ony, along with producers Dylan hering ton and Cooper skinner, editing by micro I and Cooper skinner, with additional editing by Dylan hinton. Supervising producer is Tracy, additional production by Victoria mackenzies Alice kan and eric king tina. Artwork by rob sheridan.

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