15 | Jake's Interview
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During the day on saturday, june twenty five, I went bridge jumping, but jake was not there. Later that saturday night, I went to a party at a camp outside nom. The party was late to probably started around pen or eleven pm and went until four arrived in the morning.

Jake was at this party. I know that for certain, because I talk to him face to face for over thirty minutes. Just mean him.

I was having a drink standing by a cag at the party, and that's when jake first approached me. We talked for a while, then eventually we walked off on our own. It's a little buzzy because I had been drinking, but I remember we had a very .

long conversation off .

to the side, off off.

on to the side to the side。 And then then kiss me. Kiss me. Had no idea Christine even existed, did not know that was his cousin, did not know that Joseph was at the family dinners, any of the peaceful ia involvement.

I knew none of that that that would be really hard for me to believe that jake would just alright do something on his own. But what I do think jake would do is lie or cover up to save himself. Especially that was a family related thing, really good, one thousand one percent. Lie or cover up, save himself. If jake had any involvement, we feel like that would be to lie and cover up something that happened in the family.

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All right, this will be an interview cryan I climbers and .

jake is its ten bds.

And today's date is the thirty years of september twenty sixteen, the time now twelve, fifty six pm. And we are at the aura in in name. So can you tell me how well you knew, josef? I mean, i've talk to some people basically what people told me so far as that you guys really know each other, big age difference, and you but .

I knew him as my cousin, crisis friend. That's the day of the friend. Never will know anything about IT. I knew about him last summer, but I know was named last summer.

and that stays .

due to the summer. Just know his name. And that was just very crazy. yes.

And so after you moved in there, did you guys get to know each other at all?

Not at all.

I mean, we said hi here and there. If we are passing by each other in the hole, yer and a kitch or something. But how .

about okay.

So based on you know a little bit that you know about him, what were your general impressions .

of what was he like?

My one of my first impressions was that he was kind of an outgoing, you saw spoken person. I always wanted say, how do you are saying what you're doing? You know?

Everything else .

that's about IT with me I mean, if I saw how big, hey, what you tell them, friends, the gym, we go yeah, i'm gone for a hike today. Short and brief .

conversations OK.

So did you say anything to you about his plans to move to june and get married in August?

那你 人 呢？

I knew that he was moving in August, but he didn't say where or to do .

what each day is moving.

And oh yeah, that's my plan too. I'm probably going to be be leave in two. But things in all through.

he's getting married to this out and is going to open a law practice. So big changes for him, you know. But IT didn't sound like you guys had the kind of relationship where you'd share information like that.

I Frankly didn't know he was getting married to someone else. And I thought, you know, he's still seeing because .

in Christine, okay.

So what was in an interview, Christian, you would do? I mean, what was his relationship of crazy?

I don't really know um whenever ver I went to my grandparents house, you know how you finally usually make fun of someone you're going your boyfriend know IT was kind of stuff like that. So I really there was no solid info to me that they were dating or everyone to say so I really going to tell you.

I just see .

you because that's what .

the family talked about.

what the family .

talk about and was just like they were just joking around like I was say, yeah, boyfriend lies he did you .

did you get a sense that people in your family wanted them to be a couple.

I think they wanted cristy to date him. IT wasn't more of the famous for her.

Did Chris ever talk to you about him at all?

Not at all.

Let mean, did did ever get the sense that you know he wanted to keep IT as a friendship. He was willing to do that as you know, as good as it's going to get. Basically.

I have no doubt Chris would be totally fine of IT.

嗯嗯， 对。 Do you have any idea what was gone on in jose's life in the two weeks leading up to his disappearance?

Not not a word life, but there was a weekend. Not sure if is two weeks prior or maybe one of them three weeks, but he said he was bringing a couple friends up from the last four fifteen. They were in the house. I want to say there .

was two of.

but they stayed in a different of my heart, very son, because I was working from eight, five. So I left. They were done, or sleeping still.

I got home. They were out in great outdoors. But I think that I didn't know about a fresh life.

What would you like is a roomy.

Can't say much about IT, but every day, you know, woke up, I think he woke up before I did. He showered. And then I usually wait from to get out the showers I could showered.

And by the time I got out, he believing for work, he usually walk to work that was nice. Sometimes I get off little early, beat him home to be. I usually stand up for most the time because that how we live in, that I live in, is everything like no furnace.

anything.

There's one couch, there's a table that's about IT, and I have T, V in my room, so I stay on my life majority of the time. So like, we never hung out.

Do you remember seeing him on the friday night of the weekend? He disappeared.

No.

because I was out on the text .

road going bridge me with i'm not the teller Cooper road i'll .

bridge happen .

with my friends.

And who are you with?

So this night gets a little vague for me because it's been so long. People I was and how I got there. Um i'm pretty sure i'm a friend, tiger and a friend.

And this is out by assimilate on the cool but not on top.

okay?

And this is friday night on saturday night and friday night. So still talking about friday night. So you know when you remember about when you got home after being a bridge jumping.

be honor with you. I really don't remember what time.

So what's involved .

in bridge jumping basic?

What that sounds like you just get up on the rail and jump off of .

her into the water. The water cold.

Oh yeah, that's an exhilarating part and found part course. It's fun a group doing up.

And IT was just the two people with you.

the two guys. yeah.

Do you recall if jose's truck was there when you got home whenever that was?

I don't think I was. Because usually whenever IT is home, I usually make a mental note in my head saying .

i'll just home, right?

I don't we're call making that note.

So he was out. He was out party in that night with Christine kim. We're not certain what time you got home was a daylight when you got home that night or morning is .

actually a really nice days. So in here when the super nice the sun doesn't set for a while. So I would have to guess.

I don't know.

ten, thirty, eleven, maybe.

So IT wasn't like early morning.

And did you .

have friends over to the house on friday or saturday night?

I didn't have friends friday and. Most definitely didn't have friends the next night. I'm not too sure what we did.

我是。

No, 后面 i still remember OK。

Do you remember justice saying anything about what he intended to do that weekend?

He didn't run up by me.

Were you aware them going to the beach with .

Chrissy on saturday?

三 点点？

No.

he probably would have left like around noon.

OK 红灯。

Okay, so here, missing sunday afternoon. And great.

That sounds like.

because that sounds like you were the last person to see him.

okay. So I was countries of myself. I would bridge up in saturday .

evening OK.

Do you remember what you are doing on friday, easing?

这个。

Is IT possible to yet friends over friday evening.

睡 了 会 高。

Do you call them about what time you left to go? Rich jumping on saturday?

I want to say I could have left anywhere between five or six. Unless most to meet up with a larger group of people, but they were a different bridge. So we went looking and. Then I think we finally found them at a bridge called .

grand central.

so that why IT was slate in the evening when I .

got back. okay.

And plus we are just enjoying the country, enjoy the views. That was a nice day from what I remember.

Where is grand central?

On the couch road right before Simon lake, Simon lake honor say, is that thirty four more on the road?

And who was in that other group?

Little little 礼物。

See, the thing is um all summer been doing kind of the same thing going bridge, jumping, going on the country is just kind of hard term member.

Yes.

and people are. Usually it's nice out, but there's .

warm IT .

will be a thought and had .

ten brink .

and all all of her friends ago. It's been a long man. I couldn't remember exactly IT was all there.

And do you remember anyone that was in that other group?

good. Now I.

Know how many people.

IT was fifteen.

And who did who did you catch a ride with out there?

There is the .

same two people that I was with, my friend Tyler, and the.

So it's pretty important for us to trying to figure out who Joseph man been closed with around the time that he disappeared. Did he ever have any women over to the house at any time while you were living there?

那 那个。

You did he ever saying anything about any relationships and other you.

his friendship, of course.

just said, man, we never talked.

Do you know if josef ow, any firearms?

I've never seen nothing. I assume had one because he was always hiking something .

really need if your .

high king.

right?

I know this state tubes were over there one day after searching house. After the rely checking everything, they went back in .

and they found a .

box of forty four years. And I think one was missing the whole box. Never seen forty four anything close to IT in the house before.

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What are yours sort of gut instincts about what probably happened to him?

I think something bad happened to my mom said when they were watching form, there was thirteen plus bears that area. I think a pair might got ten to.

Does that have happened out here?

I want to say he does, but large majority of time they're gona find the party. And I started thinking about this whole thing all summer, started to get stress me out. And I in my mind, I just thinking.

I probably .

think someone might to kill them. You haven't found a body in the dogs, didn't find them. There were helicopters, airplanes. There's a new most people looking. And still to the day, there's nobody.

Yeah, a lot of people have said that. A lot local people said that if if you got attack by bear.

we would have found something, something.

But he doesn't think that kind of guy that would have enemy or be engaged in risky behavior.

Anything IT doesn't appear .

that I don't get that back.

When I made him, my mom told me that he .

was A A .

lot clerk, not too sure what he does, but I was told from my mom, he looks over the evidence of some cases. I know that could have been a trigger.

I don't know.

Just like the rest of the sound, I just want to know what happened. Trust the summer, let's live in an language and come back .

some of expected encourage. Did you feel that, that the search was throw and covered all the areas that should have.

early. Yeah very. Through my mom and her husband, they still go out. Coast guard was even a year. Context of exclusion marked the coast guard to be up researching in the helicopter. And then I think the town and decide has one big disappearance and they couldn't good appliances because they don't have any.

input.

Did you participate your search at all?

No.

I want what's what's your friend time? A was a nice day, didn't really have anything, anything to do that just to be dry down the road.

Were you working when all this was going on? This doll was searching everything?

Yeah, I would. I was working for the village of council or summer. And so once a month, for about a week, we would drive down the council, go up the river there. Come back at energy, I drive back in the town, so i'd be up and down all along the road. And you know, I keep in high out.

But in as .

a month as the chances of turning up the summer, I can.

So was there any friction between you and Joseph over the internet account at the house?

No, I I was just. 都 没 想 谁。 As I should go over the deal on that, we we're gonna and you know I pay half, you pay half and we go half on the utilities every months.

And I know I never got around to because I do my self a financial horse. I was covered my ends and take care of that. But now there's A.

And he friction ing about anything else. I mean, times we were made, just don't you know they just clash?

Yeah, I get there. But there is no communication between us other than those three of conversations and.

Did you think the drink very much?

Outside and you drink beer every weekend.

Do I need to access?

I don't know, I only saw the world he would be on the counter, never see him. Drug had a Better in his hand.

你看。

Do you remember um seen or hearing him returned to the house in the early morning hours of friday night, night, saturday morning, like maybe three or zone?

那 张。

You would have been home at that time, right?

ah.

You have any suggestions for people I should talk to about his disappearance?

No, I don't feel that as if anyone in the stand would know where he was or get a Better answer than what I give you.

You don't remember seeing him leave the house there on saturday when he went to meet query of the beach.

That is .

correct.

I don't.

Did your uncle Kevin ever stay there?

I was gone on winter. I have been a known sense. August of twenty fifteen, he might have during the winter.

But now what Joseph was there.

I don't.

Do remember seeing the pickup that he was using at the house on sunday. Do you member hearing a vehicle leave on sunday?

No, I don't.

What did you do on that sunday?

I did not remember.

You just waking up when you saw him in the hallway.

Yeah, like him opening the .

door was the first thing. I will go OK. I ruled over just to look, just had a curiosity to see what was. And you know .

there was a light .

coming up from the entrance way downstairs, and so there was a light shining off the light wall. I couldn't really see who I was, but I cell shadow and I L was red. But you don't always have. I'm swiming.

So what did you do saturday night when you got back to home from bridge jumping?

Honest, more likely, I probably just went to get.

Do you have any independent memory of that night when you got back to bridge?

no. Do you remember .

if jose's truck was .

at the house when you got home saturday night?

那 张。

What's anybody with you when you got home? Did you just get dropped off? Yeah and who .

drop your the same person brought in .

a great time.

I mean, IT doesn't sound like any of you or your friends saw Joseph for the truck on saturday or sunday, other than when you saw them in the home way.

Now my friends didn't really know. They didn't. They knew nothing about him day. They met in the same time. I did, you know, the summer .

and they if .

that they set high to, you know and I didn't expect them to know, I didn't like justice to know them. I'd been, no, this guy.

So have you driven out past the area of mile forty four in the council road on saturday or sunday? Did you have a vehicle available to you to use? Well, this time, but so they ended you in early july.

song.

I just ever talk with you about running after on the council ordinary a mile forty four.

Now.

didn't josep ever .

setting you by wanted to go fishing on that area?

I know .

you did or not.

I know of that.

Even good fishing out there.

good fishing, find the right fish, because the different time, different bones or hatching, some are dying, some are actually Young, will give you a fight for the functions.

Are there other kinds of fishing there other than salmon.

the server salmon? Charm, son, and there's four different kids. I can't listen and wondering if they were like.

you know, other kinds of fish other than salmon and their crowd or other .

stuff IT might be true. So I want .

to ask you about this whole confusing and situation with a three o eight rifle that somebody dropped .

off at the house um so that's really right for my dad wanted i'm pretty sure he wanted a big they get rifles. Will you get to buy rafle? So at the bank theyll try tickets and you give got and like gun and pretty share my dad like the black three way iphone.

Um so last winter.

before I left for anywhere you go to school, I was living at my grandmothers .

coverage.

There is a Better than you know T, V set up. So I brought the again with him because I moved out. My dads just have a may shot once that winter. And then I left, kind of forgot .

out about IT.

And then I moved back here after a while. I think my gram remind me that my ride .

was there without telling me.

My uncle brought her back to the house, and that was just before the state .

tubers searched .

the house again. They were like, oh, that who's right for this? We not knowing the module dropped off. I said, it's not why i've never seen IT before.

K, and then so so when the troopers .

asked you that, do they show you the rifle or did they tell you there was .

a rifle downstairs?

Okay, so I sounds like they showed .

IT to you. No, but this was a black way, little light off once on my hand, like, oh, you know, I pretty sure you away .

and then nothing .

for relies when my mom told me. But that I was my.

Rifle.

thanks for telling me.

And who told .

you that your mom yeah .

and made me look extremely bad? Missing was my time to be.

对。

Stress the summer, there might have been some confusion if you've thought to stay supers before. They first asked me what I did that saturday night and I couldn't remember to save my life and so on this. But i've never talked to state human like this about a missing person.

So I made a dumb move .

and made up story. I didn't help me all. And then that rifle situation happens, didn't help my case.

And then all I turned on me. But I don't know the guy at all. Mean, I wish I could help you guys.

I'm with you in the same boat. I just want to find them happened. I don't. I will show, tell you guys.

What did you tell the troopers that wasn't true?

And I went down down .

the teller .

to a different bridge, but inside the were on the good.

I mean, why I just told the trick because I mean nobody really cared.

That's the thing that they did care and I couldn't remember. I like to to this day I could be to remember I mean, yeah we're at the grand central bridge um but that night they were asking I could not remember at all. I was nervous because I was talking them. I didn't have an answer from I should have said that, but. I do a blank and that came out ones .

a long time to be right lines where yeah there's my .

uncle Kevin that drop the rifle off .

so you told them this thing that wasn't true and then what happened?

They went straight to my friends and they asked, and they got a different story. So that's where I didn't make me look at this or I was lying.

They came .

back to me .

after all the questions. And well, we got the story from. So does not matter of your story what we really.

Doing what are you saying at that point?

A critical is the sad thing .

I just couldn't remember.

But at that, you know, when they were talking to you, that would a bit like two weeks after so was pretty close in time. Why were you having trouble .

remembering .

two weeks ago?

Today I am OK。

There was also an issue with um apparently texting your friends to try and get them to create an ala buyer, you know to say that you were with them. What happened with that?

I was nervous and I didn't know how to deal with IT. I was trying to save us in .

and but from that lie .

but it's .

not like you were doing anything right like, you know if you guys.

we do that. So I the first time that I ve got was something like this kind of Young kid. 他 那个。 人 还得 睡。

And so did you. Did you end up talent troopers that you had texted your friends to try and great to celebre?

Now I think they came .

to that conclusion .

after they talk to my friends.

and then they come back and talk you again about that.

I believe so. The friends .

that .

you text IT was at amran, Tyler or cason camera every .

entire and .

how are cast and cam involved?

Not sure us. First, i've heard names in journal.

Kay, will they out that big shopping that night remember?

I don't think so.

Yeah.

do you know anyone who saw josef on the council road on saturday or sunday?

No, I don't.

Do you know if anyone to know who is angry or upset with josep for some reason?

no.

So one of the other issues I want to ask you about, some of the family members when they are here searching had reported to the troops that they saw injuries on your face. Kay, you tell me me what those injuries were from.

Yes.

so I was playing catch with my one of my friends .

out safety roadhouse .

real playing football and made the brush decision of diving fora on grab.

That's where these two come in to play the kind of. And I the face.

Was out to see.

yeah.

Can you turn your hands a little bit?

There we go.

And I just need to go kind of raw picture of here if you can look up this way.

Is there anyway, how is this quick in this restaurant?

Yeah, no problem of.

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