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Thank you for coming. Man, I appreciate you for having me. Man, it was a real treat that you said yes to this. Running into you at the Tyson fight was awesome because we'd only chatted, I think, via Instagram. And then one time, I think I called in. I was on McAfee, and you were there. We chatted for a second. But that was a crazy night. Your night ended up crazier than my night. That was wild. What happened that night for people that don't know?

Because everybody, first of all, so they know, everybody thinks that they used a photo of you and me. Right. Like, man, you were fighting. Hey, people. Come on now. Did you fight Pac-Man? Read the whole book and don't read the cover. Not even the cover. Don't even look at the cover. No, it's crazy. Read the book instead of looking at the cover. But yeah, had an unbelievable night. Got back to the hotel. A couple people was being really racist. At the hotel bar? At the hotel bar. They didn't even stay there.

Now, remind you, we are spending $1,500 a night for these rooms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not cheap. But, yeah, a couple words was said. I ain't like the words. I should have smacked the fuck out of him, and I let him... I would have rather went to jail for whooping his ass than me having a word... Well, I didn't really have a word with the police officer, but I just snatched myself back from her. And that was it. And that was it. So, yeah, but shit happens. Yeah.

Yeah. Be all right. Other than that, that was a fun night. Man, we had an unbelievable night. That was a good time. You were the best because there's their like, smell me! Yeah.

Yeah. Everybody, you were also the person that was distributing gifts to people. You were giving us the cookie boxes. Yes. Our whole section was pretty lit. It was pretty fun. Oh, yeah. What did you think of the fight itself? The fight was bullshit. But we did. But I will say this. Yeah.

I don't know about the people that was at home, what happened with Netflix, but Netflix showed their ass. I thought it was one of the best experiences I've been to as a fight. And when I look back at it, like you do things for experience. You know what I mean? Right. And,

At the end of the day, was the fight that good? No, but the experience of how they set everything up. It was great. Having who's who in the right spots and section, it was unbelievable. The fight was some shit, but I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the gear. I got to tell you, I feel very much the same way. The way that they put on the event was an experience of itself.

Being at Jerry World, AT&T, the energy in that room was incredible. Everybody attending. We were so hyped. I mean, the fight itself was a letdown, but the experience was very cool. I totally agree. Totally cool. I think Mike could have... Mike? I don't know, bro. And I love Mike. Mike is my guy. He actually had... I got a picture of him and Joanie when Joanie was like a year and a half old.

So, I'm guilty of respect for him as a person and a friend. But I wasn't sold on the fight. And I lost a lot of money begging with his ass.

It was weird. It was a very weird thing to see in person because if you've watched any amount of boxing, you see there's like a, you know, there's a thing that happens is like you see jabs and jabs set up openings and then people attack. And we were like watching this fight and we go like, okay, jab, jab. You see an opening and then you're like, ah, and then no one would attack. And then that happened for eight rounds. For eight rounds. I thought the uppercut was there the whole night.

Yeah. The whole night. And I've watched Mike Tyson time after time after time after time. And I know, yeah, everybody's like, oh, yeah, he's 54 years old. That does not matter. Aggression and passion for what you do. I can go catch a punt right now. I'm sure you could. If I can get at least...

45 yards. I might pull my hamstring if I'm going 80, but as far as quick twitch, catching the ball, I don't know if I'll ever lose that. Do you still train, by the way? Yeah, every day. Every day? Not every day, but like three, four times a week. And what are your workouts like? So one day, like so fast this week, Monday I ran. So I did two miles on the treadmill, jogging.

7 point, no, I should say in y'all terms, 7 minute miles. Okay. So 2 miles, 14 minutes, walk a minute, quick lift, all light weights on Monday, nothing over like 30 pounds.

Just get everything moving. Yeah. Wednesday is like my workout day that I still do DB drills. You do? Yeah. So like you're actually like backpedaling. Backpedaling, turn, twitch, all of that. Oh, shit. I'm around a lot of kids that I'm teaching right now. And if my shit ain't right, they be like, oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good for me to be where I'm at right now and can still move. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so that's Wednesday. And then Friday is Hell Friday. So I do squats, lunges. Okay. But your body's held up? Like you physically feel pretty good? I mean, NFL career is insane. I don't know, T. My body do hurt. It does, right? It does. It hurt more, though, when I'm not doing shit. I believe that. So if I take, let's just say, a month off, which that ain't happened since I don't know when, but...

If I take two weeks off, my neck hurts, my back, hamstrings. But I think when I'm working and not really killing myself, just actively doing something, it's a little better on me. When I sit down, I'm like, hang on. Of course, we got my hand. I can't even move this one. Really? It's just like that? Yeah. Yeah.

All you guys that, that's one of the things that you notice when you like talk to a former NFL player is when they're gesturing or they shake your hand, you'll be like, what's up with that finger? Shit is like going in different directions. Out of my whole body, I would say my hands hurt the most. Seriously. Like that's why I'm always doing this. Like if you ever see me doing this, that's because my shit be like. Like nerves and everything? Yeah. Fuck. Just catching them punts and punching, tackling.

What's the general, because I never caught a punt, what's the first thing you tell a kid who's like, I want to catch a punt? What's the advice you give them about it? Is it just natural you can do it, or can you kind of coach someone into it? Definitely can coach someone into it. You got to have good hands, though. You do. You can just go out there and not have hands and do it. Right. Especially in the NFL. Oh, my God. They kick the ball. It's a fucking seven-second hang time.

So one, two, the ball is still up there. Three, four, five, six, oh, seven. Here it comes. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I think NFL and college is really different because you got the rugby style kicks where in college, really not getting that much hang time on it, but it's going in the direction they want it to go. Yeah. In the league, that rugby kick is a good kick.

But you got to be able to put some hang time on there. Because if you don't got no hang time, if you up under four seconds of hang time, that's bad. That's a touchdown almost. Right. Immediately. I don't think there's anything really more exciting than watching a kick go taken back. And there's certain people over the...

the careers where you go like, man, this guy's such a dynamic, just returner. And like, you're one of them. Do you, is there a thing where for you guys to do that? Is it all kind of like, I'm just going to take a gamble on a first move. And then that kind of sets everything up or cause you guys have great vision, right? You have to have great vision. I can speak for me. I've never thought in my whole career,

that the first guy could tackle me. That's why I didn't fair catch. I think my one-two is way better than this fucking guy right here. Yeah. So, I'm going to go... I don't... Every time I catch that bitch, I expect to make a move and beat the first guy. Mm-hmm. And nine times out of ten, that's pretty much what happened. Yeah. I done got hit a couple of times, but, like, I just... I trust in myself. I trust if I got a step... Like, if you...

Right there where you at. I feel like I can beat you. Yeah. I don't feel nobody can tackle me right here. Because you got to let me catch the ball. That's first and foremost. Yeah. So my action is going to, you got to react to mine. Yeah. And I think my first two steps is one of the best ever first two steps when it comes to being a punt returner. And it speaks for itself. Like,

I love history. I'm not throwing no hate on history. Josh Cribs, great returner. All those guys got a lot of fair catches. And still an average pretty much more yards than me. I don't fair catch the ball. And I think that's the difference between me and a lot of other returners. If you go back and look and see, how many times did he fair catch the ball in his whole career? Fucking probably 11 times. For real? Yeah.

11 times? Maybe. But this is because... Maybe. See, the fair catch thing for you, I think, is indicative of your style. Like, you're a dog, man. Yeah, I'm a animal. Yeah, that's so... It makes sense that you're like, fuck it, I'm not even going to do it. You don't have to be going to do it. Yeah, it's... I don't know. I just...

I believe in me, and I trust the guys up in front of me now. I do cuss their ass out if I get hit. And I only got hit a couple of times. But times I got hit, you could see me running up, going after my guy like, yo, what the fuck are you doing, bro? People also don't realize that we always see guys on television, especially if you're really athletic, and you just assume...

This guy just has some natural ability, and that's it. And, like, from – I told you, from people that I've spoken to that played with you, they're like, oh, this guy in practice is a fucking animal. Like, you have a great reputation for playing hard at all times. Yeah, I always tell people, like, I've never had a problem with no owner, no coach I've played for.

My problem was some shit when I left there, going to Magic City or some shit like that and just enjoying myself. And there's always one asshole again. There goes Adam. Yeah. Every year, this is all he comes up. Leave me the fuck alone. No, I'm just playing. So it's a new year, 2025, and you're thinking, how am I going to make this year different? How am I going to build something for myself? I'm dying to be my own boss or see if I can turn this business idea I've been kicking around for years into a reality.

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All right, I'm going to go out here early, catch punts. I'm going to lock his ass down. And I've always been like that. Like, you got to go ask my little league coaches, my high school coach. Like, I was the guy they had to be like, hey, yo. Like, even Rod Riggins, Coach Rod at West Virginia. Shout out Coach Rod WVU. He's just like, yo, Pac, I'm going to take you out of practice. I'm going to know you ain't, bro.

No, you ain't, because I'm pushing this motherfucker to get better. You're going to take me out because I'm going 100 miles per hour. Yeah. And some days, I would tackle, though, and we would be like, and they used to hate that. That you would tackle. Yeah, yeah. Oh. Especially now, it's even worse. Me and Chris got in so many fights because of that. Like, that's how we became, like, locked in. I would push him to the limit. Like, I mean, push him to the limit. He was well-gifted.

But he didn't enjoy practice at first. And I kind of changed that mentality. If you don't enjoy practice, I'm just going to dominate your ass and talk shit to you. D-hole practice. Are you, because I'm not surprised, were you a massive shit talker? Yeah. In games too? Yeah. What kind of shit would you say? I got more liquid than liquid death. Would you, like, was it? So I used to go through, you know how they give you the,

brochure before the game to see all the players. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I would go through the... Like, who am I playing today? Let me see which one of these motherfuckers looks so... And I would Google them. Really? Find out three things about them. And I would just tag them the whole game. I mean, nonstop. Something about their mom or their girl? Yeah, everything. Everything. Yeah, I heard your girl left you. How many stepkids you got, bro? Like, I would...

I was bad. Yeah. I believe it. It was bad. Like you're like, now that I look back at it. Yeah. It was bad. Who? Okay. Because the thing about, this is what we always hear about playing against the shit talker, right? This is like what you hear from other great athletes. They go, guys like you are doing that to get in your head. And so,

The only way to win that battle is to not let it get to you, right? So there's some people who can just go, say whatever you want. I'm never going to engage or respond to that. So you had to, I'm sure, face some people that you're like, well, this guy just doesn't break on that. Yes, I have. And then some people... That do break. Yeah. And then you win. You've won that battle. AB was one of those guys that never broke. He was.

I would talk so much shit to him. He would be catching the ball. I'm like, you're supposed to catch the ball, nigga. Your daddy went pro. You get to skip the fucking line, bro. He would just shut up, pack him, do his little first down thing. T.O. was a good shit talker. Was he? Yes. When I played against him, I said a lot of shit to him. When I played with him in Dallas...

We would talk chirp in practice. You could sit on hard knocks, but it wasn't that bad. But it's a couple guys that just couldn't take it, though. Right. I'm talking about two drop balls, bitch in the tank. Yeah. I'm going to tell you the one who really couldn't take it. Yeah, yeah. Trash. What's his name? Went to Ohio State, played with Cleveland. God damn it, I can't even think of his name.

Went to Ohio State. Oh, I wish you know this. It was Garbage. Garbage. Damn, what's his name? I don't know his name, but if you look at the clip, it's Garbage. Y'all know what I'm talking about back there in the back? Help me out. Terrell Pryor. Garbage. The quarterback. Garbage. Okay. Jesus. Garbage. Pryor. Garbage. So you talked a lot of shit there? Garbage. I'll take two.

You talked a lot of shit to him? Well, that was probably one of the best clips. He couldn't take it. Like, I would get in his head so bad. Bro, you could Google it. Google it. It's probably a pop-up. Dude, 12 prior, Adam Jones. Yeah. There you go. Garbage. Garbage. There it is right there. Click it. Click it. There it is. Cleveland Browns, 23 to 10, sending them even into a more...

So did you just light him up that game? Is that why this was a clip? No, he was talking a lot of shit. Oh, he was talking shit. He was talking shit to the media earlier in the week. And I told him, like, bro, you ain't going to catch a ball, bro. You're a quarterback. They got you playing receiver. You suck, bro. Yeah.

i think he had one catch for like four or five yards god damn he couldn't take it though he couldn't take it throughout the game i mean like i'm bro i'm looking in his eyes he had the expression like will you just please yeah just leave me alone yeah yeah right now i'm on your ass today buddy

All the way till we leave this motherfucker. And back in the locker room. Garbage. Best part of that clip right there was a garbage can right there. I was like, hey, y'all see the real part of him? That's in there? Yeah. It was hilarious, bro. Oh, my God. So did you sense, you had to have games too where you sensed fear in the other person, right? You could just see it in their eyes, like that they're. In the league or college? I don't know. I guess both. Probably not in the league. Not in the league, pretty much. Everybody's dogs.

Pretty much to a certain extent. Then you got a couple guys that make it because of what they know or agents and such and such like that. And in college, yeah, a lot of guys. A lot of guys. I've seen. Soft. Soft. Yeah. Yeah.

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But when you're a kid who's going to like the next level and you're a freshman, before you start, do you, is it normal? Like, do you feel any self doubt or like, am I good enough before you prove that you are? Are you asking me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, no, no. I walked in with Virginia. I told her, y'all, I got three years here. I'm getting the fuck out of here. You knew it that early. I got, man, I should call one of my team. Okay. He'll tell you like, Hey, Pat told us. Yeah.

That he only got three years in this motherfucker. On day one? On day one. Okay. I think that's a pretty good answer. On day one. This is my boy's dad on like four Audi dealerships. That's cool. I'm going to just have him say, hey, what did I tell you the first day y'all seen me in practice? Hopefully he answered. He might be test driving an Audi right now.

Oh, he didn't answer. Bro, you fucked up. Needed you on this call right here. He'll call back. But like, yeah, I've never thought like. You never had doubt. I never had a doubt. Because you knew how good you were already. No, bro. I knew where I didn't want to go back to. Right. Which was the fucking projects. In Atlanta. Yes. I'm like, this is my past. I got to figure out how to make this work. And I was always very talented in all the sports I played, which was basketball, track,

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I have the palm, and the crazy part about it, it's on like a wash sheet. I don't know how to explain it. Like it's blue coming down to brown. And I drew a picture at the end of it of a bunny on a bike throwing up the deuces. I don't know how I thought of that at that age. But yeah, like I've never had intentions of doing anything else. But just playing this game. I had one job.

What was your job? I worked at Crystal's for two days. Two days? Yeah. Okay. And the second day, I pretty much sold the whole goddamn store. I had everybody from the projects coming up getting Crystal cheeseburgers. I'm like, bro, this is not for me. Yeah. My brother was like, you should just try. I'm like, no. Nah. Two days.

Probably gave away 600 burgers. Wait, gave away? Yeah. I thought you meant you were selling them. Hell no. Hey, bro, all my boys in the projects, y'all better get up here right now, boy. This is my last day doing this shit. This is not for me. At first, they were like, wow, man, we moved a lot of product today. Thanks. You're like, oh, yeah, that shit was free. Yeah. I don't know why they put me at the cash register.

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When you see what college kids are getting now, don't you kind of go like, man, when I was there, this would have been some shit. If I rewind back time and I was going to college right now, I would probably get four year. Yeah. They getting paid. I'm all for it though. I like it. Recruitment wise.

When you look back, because, you know, you're a legendary Mountaineer, obviously, but I always feel like it's fun to know how the recruitment process went. And was there, like, a close number two? Was it like it was almost this other school? Oh, yeah. So I was committed to Georgia Tech. You're committed to Georgia Tech. I was committed to Georgia Tech. You were going to stay home, basically, play at home. I was going to stay home, yeah.

I had offers from everywhere, Georgia, Notre Dame, NC State, Tennessee, Miami, Florida. I pretty much could have went anywhere besides Michigan and Ohio State. And first I wanted to stay home. Then my grandma got sick with cancer. I was like, I got to get away from here. Just so mentally. Yeah. It don't drain me. Yeah, yeah, sure. But yeah, Changeli was...

the coach at Georgia Tech at that time. Yeah, I almost went to Georgia Tech. And then my boy, Karen Fox, who went to Georgia Tech and went to high school with me, played in the league for a good little while. He was like, bro, this school shit hard as fuck. I was like, oh, really? He's like, yeah, man, we got to go. I said, y'all doing all the work?

That one's off the list. Yeah. And so the visit I went to West Virginia, we wasn't doing no goddamn work. Work was football. Yeah, yeah. And you're like, this feels right. This sounds like what I want to do right here. So, yeah. And Rodriguez and Coach Bird and Coach Gibby, it was really good to me. Coach Rod is a player's coach, right? No, Coach Rod is a coach coach. Coach Rod, first of all, he's disciplined. Yeah.

He's what I needed, I should say this. Because I've never really, I don't like soft coaches. I want you to tell me when I'm right, when I'm wrong, how I'm doing it, the way to do it better. It's your fucking job. You know what I'm saying? And some guys, they like the soft coaches. Coach Rod is, he's a player's coach, but if you want to get better, you want to win, this is the kind of coach you want. Yeah.

He's not one of them soft, easygoing coaches. It comes from the bottom of his heart, though. He's a great dude. Yeah. And, like, you respect it. Yeah. You respect the fact that this guy cares. He's holding you accountable. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. When you...

Okay, same thing when you said you got to college. You're like, I'll be here three years and I'm out. Yeah. Do you feel the same way when you arrive with the Tennessee Titans? You're in the NFL now? It's like, I'm here to... I was here to stay at Tennessee. But I'm saying you feel that confident too, going in the NFL? You do? I was first defense. I know. First defense player. But I mean, I don't know what the mental is. My confidence have never changed. Yeah. Like...

I think I can do, I might can't tell a joke better than you, but anything physically, physical or athletic wise. Yeah. I feel like I'm the best in anything. Yeah. And I've never not thought, oh, hold on a minute. Hey, it's funny. Say hey to Tom. What's up, man? How you doing? Hey, we're doing a show right now. What did I tell you the first day I walked in the locker room? Looked like you had the dealership, huh? Yeah.

Can I get money? Pac, put it here near the mic so we can hear. You said you guys got about two and a half years with me, three years max, and I'm out.

He's not lying, man. Sitting there, like, yo, bro, like, I'm not coming here to stay, bro. Like, this is not home to me. It is home, but, like, I'm out of this motherfucker. Y'all better get everything y'all can get out of me in these next two and a half years. Yeah, three years, that's it. I'll be in the league. See you guys later. Pim.

Yeah. Yeah. That's cool, bro. All right. I just want to have you tell that story. We got any new whips down there, bro? We need to get some of these whips to WVU, bro. What's up? Man, your ass don't want to play no golf. Okay. All right. That was great. That was amazing. Shout out my boy, Pat.

Um, all right. You're in the league. I'm it's every kid's dream. I'm sure this is for you. The real, like you said, you, you left a life that you didn't want to go back to. It's a, it's a rough upbringing, obviously in a tough, tough part of Atlanta. Now you're in the league. How crazy is getting a first NFL check? Oh, it was crazy. I'll never forget it. Um,

It's different between having a couple hundred thousand. Yeah. Then you get one check and you got $8 million in your bank account. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

I was like, hell yeah. Go buy every motherfucking thing. Yeah. Do you remember the first big ticket you bought? Big ticket item? The first big ticket item was about 60 acres. Oh, yeah. Okay. My crib in Nashville. That was the first big ticket. I spent 1.84. And I bought my mom a house, cars galore. Yeah. I'm a big car guy, though. Sure, yeah. What was your first big car? Like, big ticket car? Um...

First, well, I bought a Calac. That's when the EXT was out. The CTL convertible was the first year they came out, 2006. I spent like $1.20 on that one. But the Bentley, I had a Bentley and Lambo. Damn. Two months later, I think I spent like $190, $200 on the Bentley. The Lambo was like $225. Yeah, this is good shit, man. Calac truck, the week after that.

So you went hard. Yeah, I did. I probably, like, I was good, though, because I took some of that and couldn't touch it for, like, 10 years. Oh, you put it in, like, a trust account or something? Y'all want to tell everybody about my business? Yeah, yeah, but sure. Where you put yours at? Trust account. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. So we ain't, they can't sue us for it. Yeah, sure. Some people don't understand that, but yeah. Good luck, motherfucker. Good luck, motherfucker. Yeah. Touch me again, I'm going to whoop your ass. Ha, ha, ha.

You think you're getting some of this money? Your food. No, I'm just playing. But yeah. So wait. Motorcycles. I'm a big motorcycle guy. Four wheelers. If you look back on, you know, crazy purchases, what is the dumbest shit you ever bought? Like, you know, when people are like. Well, I went to Miami one weekend, bro. And this was like my second time going to Miami. And I got in like a bottle war. Mm hmm.

Oh, at a club? At a club. Which was the dumbest shit ever. Like some other dudes like, I got four bottles, like that kind of thing. And you're like, I'm going to get eight bottles. Yeah. This one, Trina and Trick Daddy, that's when, this was 2000, 2006. Yeah.

That's when the beach was cracking. Like, everybody was there. Yeah. Who's who was on South Beach. And I just so happened to be sitting right beside them. And I was like, whatever bottle they buy, I'm going to buy two more. Yeah. And what I didn't realize was I don't think they was paying for their bottles. They were getting free bottles. Yeah. And they were like, but you. Yeah, and my tab ended up being like $76,000.

I told that dude, I don't know who ordered all that. But bro, no, no. And at that time, I didn't even know what Cristal was. Them fucking bottles was like $2,000. Come on, man. I'm like, bro, you know, I'm young. You know, not thinking how high these bottles really are. Yeah. Yeah, that was probably one of the dumbest things that...

I would like to take back that $80,000 tab. Everything else, like... What's the most you ever dropped at a strip club? 80K. That's pretty fucking intense. Yeah, I won a million dollars in Vegas. Oh. When I got in trouble that night. Really? And I took $100,000 to the club. But you won a million before? Won a million dollars. On tables or... Yeah, playing craps.

That was the night I got in trouble, bro. Really? They rolled me back to, I was at the Pums at the Michael Jordan party. I can't tell all this, like how I want to tell it, but I was at the Michael Jordan party at the Pums hotel and I ended up winning a million dollars. They took me back in a fucking brink truck back to Caesars hotel. I had the whole top floor at Caesars. And you know how much a million dollars is in cash and hundreds. I'm quite sure you know that's a lot of money. It's a lot. It's the equivalent of, how do I explain this?

Maybe 100,000 wands. Yeah, it's just like... So I didn't have enough room to put the money in. So I had to go to all of the rooms. I had like 20 rooms on the top floor. I'm going to each room, putting in the code, putting 50 in this one. Oh, really? Because I had nowhere to hold the money in. I was damn sure I wasn't going to leave my whole million dollars in one room. My stepdad actually R.I.P. Redd.

He didn't bleed a room after I won a million. He just stayed in the room for me. Really? Just like, yeah. That's cool. He's one-on-one. I miss him, bro. He was a good dude. Good for me. Yeah. That is also, you talk about experiences. I can't imagine the rush of winning a million dollars. Yeah. So the most I've won is a million one time. I don't want like 300,000 a couple times. I don't lost. The most I've lost, that's a good question, probably like 300,000.

craps yeah that's your game yeah i play blackjack too but like i don't understand craps i don't know like when i like blackjack is a game like i you know learned a long time ago it's like it's like a comfort thing where i go i see the blackjack table i go i sit i see craps everyone's having a great time but i'm like i don't know what's going on i love it because i'm saying seven you out of there yeah on the first roll you went on seven eleven

If you roll two, three, or 12, you lose. In the casino, you don't lose up top when you roll 12. But I was betting $4,000 for every number. Every number. So every time I'm rolling, unless I go out, I'm winning $4,000. Wow. So I caught fire. Yeah. I got caught fire a couple times. And I'll take them down. So let's just say I hit six numbers.

at 4,000, five, four, six, five, nine. And then I turn them off and then let it go. But like, yeah, I've had some good, a lot of really good times.

I bet, man. We should play craps sometime. You take me to play craps? Yeah. I'll go play craps with you. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. I'll have a Vegas date later this year. Yeah. Okay. All right, cool. Now, on a trouble night, you said you got in trouble that night. You got in trouble a couple times. What is, like, did you ever have any wild shit happen locked up, or was it always pretty much in and out? I'm a ticking time bomb, like,

I can hold my own. I believe that. I've never had. Now, with me and the officer, yeah, probably. But like inmates? No. Nah. Because I'm coming in on bullshit time. First of all, I'm probably pissed off that I'm in there whenever I'm going. Yeah. And a couple times, I'm probably a little bruised up. Yeah. Yeah. Not bruised. Boozed. Yeah. And so you're boozed up. So everyone's like staying clear, you mean? Like people just know? Don't.

I don't know. But no one's like, oh, you're famous. That's crazy that you asked me that, T, because I never think about that. Really? Out of all the million times I've been to jail. Yeah. It's normal. I hurry the fuck up and come get me. Yeah. And if I got to sit in there a couple of days, I don't even want nobody to talk to me. Yeah. And no one does. But I'm just saying like because you're. Yeah, they do because they know who I am. That's what I'm saying. But I go ahead and cut it off quick. Don't talk to me. Like him. Man, you know Pac-Man. Shut the fuck up.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Leave me to fuck alone. What do you tell a young guy? Would you tell like a rookie today about going into the league? What's your advice to that guy? Um, maybe even a young Pac-Man, like for my son, whatever it is. First of all, don't do what I do. Do what I tell you. You know what I mean? Um,

And everything is a business. Like, coming from college to the league, I see a lot of guys that forget, like, this ain't college, bro. This is business. We'll win. Guess what? The coach is fucking getting fired. The GM is getting fired. There's going to be some new motherfuckers in here in four years. So it's really big business. And you are what you put out. Your only good is your last performance.

And I understood that. Like, I teach my son. Like, he's probably, what, third fastest kid in the nation. Third fastest kid in the nation? Yeah, he's a real deal. But he understands the process. Like, I have to tell this motherfucker, hey, yo, bro, put the ball down. Like, stop dunking the ball. We got damn near six basketball goals all the way around the house. He's just always. Like, he understands. I will say this.

It's easier for him to understand because he got a picture in front of me, Chris, a lot of Vontaze, people that he's around, T-Higg, that he kind of tunnel visioned. Yeah. I guess. He can emulate you guys. Yeah, it's hard to explain it, but I guess the best way to say it is you are what you hang around. Is his favorite basketball or football? Football. Football. Yeah.

And he's fast as shit. Man, this little motherfucker's so fast. Like, he way better than me. Like, I was not where he was at seven years. He just turned seven, bro. Seven? This motherfucker just turned seven and can run 100 up under 13 seconds. Wow. I bet you you couldn't beat him right now in the 100-yard dash. I would take your angle. You want to bet on that? No, I would bet against me as well.

I will bet anybody as much as you want that his kid will beat me. Go ahead and take that action. Junie's one-on-one. My oldest daughter, Zaniah, she's at Mississippi State right now. Full ride, getting paid. Nice. She's a track star, too. Jesus. You guys. My middle daughter, Trent, she's a pretender. She's really blessed and gifted.

But, like, it's hard to get her. She's more of the, no, Dad, I want to do TikTok, Instagram. Okay. She's so gifted and talented. She actually runs track right now. The coach didn't let her run. She was a freshman running varsity. You know how you got one of them kids that know that –

Know that they're good and don't want to really like dial into it. Yeah, of course. That's true. Yeah. But she'll get there. Yeah. It'll click. Cause she like, like she liked nice things. Mm hmm.

If you like nice things, you got to put the work in to get nice things. That's true. And everybody ain't going to be a track star. That ain't for everybody. I'm not pushing that on her. But like, hey, there's some money over here that you might not want to leave on the table. Yeah. You can get this to go build something else. And that's what I'm trying to drill in our head right now. When I look back at NFL stuff, people always –

you know, if they're talking about dirty players, they always talk, they always talk about defensive players, but I'm wondering, do you, do you look back? Do you ever think of any offensive player? Yeah. Curtis bitch ass who played with the jets, the receiver. He was, he was a slum bag, bro. Like really? Hell yeah. I chased his ass after the game. I was trying to get to him. Cause he was,

Oh, it was bad. Curtis. I don't even know his fucking first name. He was 87 or 88 or something for the Jets. Is that Curtis Martin? No, he was a receiver. Receiver. He was fucking just blocking after the play, clipped me a couple times. He wouldn't stop. I had to punch him. I got a 15-yard penalty this game, too. Who's the 2012 roster? Let's see that. What year is this right here? This is 12. Try 14. Percy Harvin's there?

Jeremy Curley's there. Scroll down. Yeah, this might be the year right here. Who was 87 on that team? Scroll to the roster. Yeah, it's further down. One of these guys. Who we got? 87. Eric Decker's there. Pull up Eric Decker picture. Was it Decker? It was. It was? It was Decker. He was doing dirty shit? Yeah, that's who it was. That's who it was?

He was, bro, I never forget this game. I almost fucking, I almost lost it. On him? Yeah. It was Decker. So it was like after the whistle? I chased his ass after the game, too. Like, all the way to the bus. All the way to the bus? Yeah. All the way to the bus. Like, blocking the back as the whistle blows? Yeah. Me and Kelsey, we had a couple little conversations, too. I used to fuck with...

Yeah, it was funny. How incredible is seeing a white receiver, corner, or punt returner in the NFL? Don't you go, man, you're pretty special? Yeah. Well, not receiver-wise because it's a lot of really good white receivers. Like slot receivers. Like for real. That can fucking route your ass up. Yeah. Amidola. Yeah. Danny was on my team. He was on practice squad.

He wasn't even on the roster when we first went to Dallas. And I would tell him, like, this little motherfucker here got juice. Really? Like, got juice. And a lot of guys, I should say white receivers, a lot of white receivers get looking over because they just don't run that fast, but they play fast. Right.

Different, like, skill set almost, right? Yeah, like, way fast in and out of breaks and all of that. But 40 times, it might not be a 4-3. It might be a 4-5. That was the famous thing about, he's not a wide receiver, but Jerry Rice is that he was, like, a 4-6 guy. Yeah. He's fucking Jerry Rice. He's, like, incredible when the ball's in his hand. Yeah, and Jerry Rice don't drop too many balls. No, he's got pretty decent hands, I've heard. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm not a Rice fan, but for the most part. No, he's not cool? I've met him one time. I ain't going to say he ain't cool. I don't know. From me looking at him from afar, I haven't been. He wasn't one of the guys that I looked up to. I'm more like a bad boy guy. I like Mike Irv. Yeah, sure. You know what I mean? Because he's somebody I can relate to. Yeah.

LT? LT. Love LT. Man, LT is... Oh, my God. I still love watching an LT clip, highlight reel, interview, everything about him. I love everything about LT. I was chilling with him not too long ago. Really? Drunk a whole fucking bottle. I was like, bro, are we going to really drink? He's like, you sit right here or you're going to drink it all with me.

LT. Jesus Christ. He's one of one. One of one. Unbelievable person. And can hit a fucking golf ball too. Yeah. Yeah.

He was something else, too. I mean, any coach that talked, they're like, man, we couldn't. It was like having a pit bull on a leash, and then you let it go. They're like, there's nothing you can do. They would design an entire scheme for the week leading up. Not going to work. Yeah, just to try to avoid this guy. LT 101, man. The football is...

Unbelievable. He's by far the best football player that ever played the game. Yeah. But besides that, he's an unbelievable fucking person. Like, unbelievable. Like, I can't. He a good shit talker, too, now. Oh, yeah. Ooh, what? The original. Well, anything you're doing with him competing, shit, you might well get ready. Yeah. You might well get ready. I talk a lot of shit. Yeah. He is the creator of shit talking. Yeah.

I mean, those great old NFL films things where they'd have mics on him, that was, like, I think most people's introduction to, like, oh, this is what happens on the field. It was like, we're a pack of wild dogs today. Like, all that shit. He's like that, though. Like, wake up and play golf. Yeah, I ain't even getting no sleep trying to goddamn. I've been beating your ass off. I'm like, what the?

Fuck, how you come up with this? I've been beating your ass all morning. You know what I mean? Like, well, this is the first hole, LT. He's like, no, I was beating your ass all morning. While you was sleeping, I was already beating you. So he's a good shit talker. He's the fucking greatest. Who, what about rivalry-wise? Is there somebody you, the shitburgers who you hated the most? Like, we want to beat them. Yeah, I don't, I don't fuck with nothing in Pittsburgh. I don't even date girls from Pittsburgh when I was dating. Like,

You got to realize, like, I've never had a reason to like Pittsburgh. Well, also, you were. I went to WVU. Went to WVU. Fuck Pitt. Fuck Pitt. Eat shit, Pitt. And then you're a bangle. Made it even worse. Yeah. Yeah, so my whole life, I should say, me being a grown up,

I don't... That's just... You don't fuck with Pittsburgh. Yeah, and I mean that. Like, my boy came to my house and had the nerve to wear a fucking... I wasn't there. So they come in town. It was actually the week that Cincinnati played Pittsburgh. It's after football, too. Yeah. And I get in... I walk down. I'm like, why you got...

it was a it was you know what it was it wasn't even a jacket i mean a jersey it was uh a blanket you know oh yeah blanket yeah i said hey bro take that and put it outside bro do not bring that in the house he looked at me like i was tripping yeah so i walked back upstairs he goes back in the studio because i got a recording studio down at the bottom where i do my music and stuff

So I'm saying, I wait about 10 more minutes. I'm waiting. I'm looking at the cameras, though, to see if this motherfucker is going to walk out the door with this fucking thing, this piss-perd shit. He sit his ass down there. I get about four or five more minutes. I walk downstairs. I said, man, didn't you hear what the fuck I just told you, bro? I said, take that shit out of my house. And he was, like, startled. Like, I was dead ass for real, too. Yeah. Like, no for real. Get it off. That's one thing. Like, and, like...

Of course, like, I have to commentate about different things, which I'm not biased on that part. But I am biased about anything else when it comes to Pittsburgh. Yeah. Like, I have zero love for that. Did he end up taking it out? I mean, I'm an athlete. We go to Pittsburgh. That's a trip that you don't need me on. Yeah.

you don't i'm not walking in there like but you really hate it yeah did he take it out yeah yeah do you set it on fire no i made him take it it was it was his blanket so yeah i didn't want to be too too rough on him but like hurry up and get that out of here bro yeah like we don't anybody that know me they know yeah that piss only thing he ain't with them yeah he ain't fun and i like mike yeah as a person sure

I ain't going to fucking Mike Tomlin party. Not while he with Pittsburgh anyway. He move somewhere else I might go, but like, no, that's just me, man. I'm loyal to a team and I don't fuck with black and yellow. That's just one team I don't fuck with. - I get it, man. - Not college, not Little League, high school, definitely not the pros. - And definitely not any Pittsburgh restaurants. - Anything, Pittsburgh. I don't fuck with the baseball team. - Pit beef. - Hockey team.

The Pirates. Yeah. The airport. The airport. You ain't going to catch me in that motherfucker. Yeah. They got to pay me a real big bad for me to come to Pittsburgh. Yeah. And I ain't talking about no loan. I believe it, dude. So what is, because you're a super interesting guy to chat with and hang out with. What do you feel like is a general misconception about you that people would be surprised to know? I'm really like,

loving and caring person you know i mean uh if if i fuck with you i fuck with you um i think that's everybody think i'm so like unapproachable yeah because i do have my own and off switch yeah i mean i had a bit about it yeah well so pac-man tell that motherfucker tell him what yeah um but you are approachable guy i am approachable in certain circumstances

And just don't come at me the wrong way kind of thing, it seems like, right? Like, I'll give you the shirt off my back. But they might not fuck with you. Not while I'm right there. You know what I'm saying?

I feel like what you're saying is in the short time that I've known you is true. The other thing I think would surprise people, I think you're a pretty self-aware, introspective guy. Like in a short conversation with you, you're like, oh, this guy really is a layered thinker. I think it would surprise people who own you. Yeah, a lot of people think I'm dumb. I don't mean that. I just meant that like- No, you just said. I didn't think you were dumb. Just said. Okay.

I thought you were pretty dumb. Yeah, you thought I was dumb. No, I didn't think you were dumb. What I was saying was that you don't... You can tell the truth, bro. I'm telling the truth, man. I'm saying that you don't expect sometimes when you meet somebody for them to volunteer

right away their philosophy and their introspection. And it usually indicates that somebody is a deeper thinker than you would otherwise believe. People read headlines about you. That's not like fully knowing somebody. So I think it was a surprise, and I think it's something that people would be surprised to know. He's not dumb. Well, he just said he thought I was dumb. People keep thinking that I'm dumb. I don't think you're dumb. It might help me in the long run. I am dumb. Ha!

I'm dumb. Okay. How the fuck am I this dumb? Oh, my God. You're not dumb, dude. I just look like this. And then you see the guys that I hang around. If you hang around dumb people, you'd be dumb. I don't hang around no dumb people. You have a lot of smart friends. You are one of them. Thank you. I'm not that dumb. I am kind of dumb. But...

Look smart to me. Sound smart to me. Well, thanks, man. I do want to tell people before you leave about the Pac-Man Jones show. Yeah. That this is a podcast that you can get real, raw information

um insight analysis opinions on all kinds of things yeah um obviously like you're also uh good good friends with uh with pat mcafee yeah and you've been part of that show and um it's fun to watch you and those guys like it's an entertaining fun show and you interact with them all the time but there's just places that people can see you is my point oh yeah um

You can see me anywhere, but you can catch me on the Pac-Man, the Pac-Man Jones show. Politely where I'm on all platforms. Also, my music is the real Pac-Man Jones. I got some new music that's coming out. It's been doing pretty good. And, you know, shout out my boy Pat McAfee. I'm on there off season. Nice. So, yeah, it's been good, man. I've truly...

been blessed to be around a lot of good people, to learn a lot of good things. And I don't take it for granted to have a relationship with a certain network of people is what they say. It's not about, it ain't about what is, how does it say? It's a, it's not about,

What you know is about who you know. It's a lot of smart people in this world. And I'm definitely not the smartest person in the world. I'm very dumb. And it's good to have smart people around my dumb ass because they can help me, I guess, get smarter. You know what I mean? And I don't take it for granted. Definitely don't take it for granted. Like all my relationships, I kind of like keep them right here tucked in.

One of the cool things about the fight that we were at was watching people interact with you. Because people are genuine. I saw a lot of people light up when they saw you. They were very excited. My Rolodex is pretty long. Yeah, I believe it. I watched you hit up Jerry. Yeah. And that was fun to watch. Well, Jerry is like my dad to a certain extent. Shout out to the Cowboys, Jerry Jonesy.

Was that an awesome experience? It was. It was. Yeah. You ever shit on the gold toilet? We got money, but like... No, I've never shat on it. I've never thought about buying gold toilets. He has those? You ever thought about it? I never... I remember that was like a... Even before his presidential stuff, that was a Trump thing that they were like, oh, his apartment in Manhattan has a gold toilet. No, Jerry Jones had gold toilets. Shit. As long as... I'm talking this girl all the way back. I'm quite sure he had that house for God knows when, but...

Man, I'm talking about everything in the bathroom fucking gold, bro. Like, no, little gold. I'm talking about real gold. Real gold. Yeah. Like, that was my first time even knowing what a Badea was. Yeah. What the? Oh, my God. What is this? What we got going on? And you're like, I got to get one of these. Yeah.

There's no other experience. After you use a bidet and then you leave and you're somewhere that doesn't, you're like, am I an animal? I'm mashing shit against myself? Just give me a spray, man. Give me the bidet. Did I say it right? Bidet? Bidet. Bidet. Yeah.

Hell yeah. I got one of those now. It's the best. Shout out. Jerry turned me on. And you had a, you shot on a gold toilet. Everything in Jerry's, every bathroom, all the bathrooms that I went in when I stayed at Jerry World, were gold. That's wild. Yeah. Have you seen his yacht? I saw that on Instagram. Yacht crazy. It's called Bravo Eugenia. Yes. Oh, you see the toilet? Oh shit, yeah. Telling you, bro.

That ain't the bathroom, though. That is not his bathroom. He's talking about Jerry Jones bathroom. I'm talking about Jerry Jones bathroom. That is his fucking yacht. That's fucking nuts. That's crazy, bro. 225 million? Woo! Yeah, that's pretty intense. That's what I haven't been on, though. I got to ask Jerry. You got to hit him up. Hey, bro, let me get the yacht, Jerry. Just for like a weekend. Let him fucking hang out.

That's a 358-foot yacht. Wow. That's pretty insane. That's a fucking house. That's pretty insane. That's a whole goddamn hotel, man. $225 million? Yeah. There's levels to this shit. There's levels to this shit. That's pretty crazy. There's a big level to this shit. Goddamn. Well, that's cool that you have such an affection for him. I think that's awesome. Yeah. He's always been good to me, even after football. Really? Yeah.

Certain investments, certain things I've done to still be able to live the way that it's comfortable, I should say. He got a big part of that. Really? That's awesome. And he's somebody you can run ideas by, like that kind of thing too? He's somebody I can run ideas and money by. Yeah. And he'll give you good. He's a real deal. That's awesome to hear. This was...

so much fun i can't thank you enough for coming here uh don't forget to check out the pac-man jones show politely raw um you'll see him in the off season on the pat mcafee show you might see us at a craps table yeah soon i'm gonna take my good luck charm pac-man jones to the table you're gonna show me what's up because i don't know what the fuck i'm doing we'll start off with like five grand okay and then we'll see

We'll see what we come back with. Okay. And if we hit something crazy. Oh, we're going to hit something. Then we're going to go out. We play to win the game. We are bringing the money out. Yeah. Put the most in the safe and then we're going out. Yeah, we're going out. Okay. Thank you, brother. Thanks for coming in. Man, I appreciate you. We'll see you guys next week. For having me, my boy. Absolutely. Smell me.

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