Second Drink: The Client with Melora Hardin
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We got really fun insights from both Tim Meadows and Melora Hardin for this breakdown. Yes, but we did uncover a few more details we can share. First off, at the very beginning of the episode, everyone is gathered in the kitchen talking about their worst dates. Yes, and this is Pam's famous story about being left behind at a minor league hockey game. Lady, anytime I post a photo of myself at a hockey game...

People just say, I hope you didn't get left behind. Some variation. I bet the first time you're like, what's going on? I did because I had forgotten. But yes. Well, there is a deleted scene where Jim reveals his worst first date. You got to hear it. What was my worst first date? It was a couple of years ago. It was a lunch date. Actually, it was right down here at Cugino's.

And we had just met and we really hit it off. It was kind of nice. And then as it turned out, it wasn't even a date because she was actually in love with someone else. So best first date is also my worst first date, oddly enough.

What is happening? He's talking about Pam. Yes. Right? He clearly asked Pam out for lunch when they first started working together. And didn't know about Roy. And slowly during this lunch found out that- She was dating. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I know. Aw, poor Jim.

Well, we also got some fan mail about a moment that we missed in our breakdown, and it is a good one. At four minutes, Michael is walking out of the office with Jan. He's on his way to his meeting.

And the camera swings over to Oscar in accounting. And you can see that he's talking to someone. You don't see the person completely. It's mostly just the top of their head. But it is clearly Devin. Wait. Devin's been fired. Yes. He was fired two episodes ago in Halloween. And that is because we shot the client before we shot Halloween. Oh.

In fact, here's how we shot the episodes. We shot the client, Halloween, the fight, but then we released them, Halloween, the fight, the client. So that's how Devin sneaked into the background of this episode. Mm-hmm.

That's a good catch. All right. Well, next up, I have a tidbit for the scene where Michael calls Pam on the phone and he wants her to read him some jokes from his joke book. We talked about this a little bit the first time, but I have more to share. But first, let's listen to it. Dunder Mifflin, this is Pam. Pam, it's Michael. I need you to go into my office and check some data for me. OK, you want me to read them?

Yes. Okay, um, a fisherman is walking down Fifth Avenue leading an animal behind him when... Nope, nope. Told it. Not as good as you think. Pick another one. Okay, there's a transcript between a naval ship... Okay! Bingo! And a lighthouse. Yes, that is hysterical. Could you start that one from the beginning?

All right. So when we broke down this episode, I said that none of the jokes had any endings, that they were just the beginning. But this joke does have an ending. This is a very famous joke about a naval ship.

and a lighthouse. Although as soon as you say lighthouse, you kind of ruin the joke, but here it is. I'm going to tell you the joke. The joke is it's a transcript. The naval ship says, please divert your course 0.5 degrees to the south to avoid a collision. The response is, recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the south to avoid a collision. The U.S. ship responds,

This is the captain of a U.S. Navy ship. I say again, divert your course. And the reply is, no, I say again, you divert your course. So the ship says, this is the aircraft carrier USS Coral Sea. We are a large warship of the U.S. Navy. Divert your course now. And the reply is, this is a lighthouse. Your call. That's the joke.

That's a good one. But since we are talking about jokes, I thought maybe we could go around and each share one of our most favorite clean go-to jokes. Okay. Why didn't the baker buy a new car? Why? He didn't have enough dough. Oh, Angela knew it. I didn't. I just guessed. Cassie. Which baseball player wears the biggest helmet? I don't know.

The one with the biggest head. Oh, stupid. All right. So this is just one of Josh's favorite dad jokes. So I thought I had to tell it because he does it all the time and the kids like walk right into it every time. So let's say we're like at the grocery store and it's like during the holidays. It's like a busy time. He'll say, oh, man, this grocery store is like camping. And they'll be like, why? And he'll be like, why?

And he says, it's intense. Yeah, I know, Sam. I know. I know. He does it all the time. He'll be like, we're driving. And he'll be like, this freeway is like camping. They're like, why? It's intense. I'm clenching my fists. I know. It's endless. Ange, it's funny. I'm going to share Lee's favorite joke. Okay. Okay.

A grasshopper walks into a bar, goes up to the bartender. The bartender says, oh, my gosh, we have a drink named after you. And he says, you have a drink named Bill?

Thank you, Sam. That's very cute. That's very cute. That's very cute. Our kids like that one. Okay. Well, next up in our second drink tidbit, at 7 minutes and 57 seconds, Michael starts singing the Baby Back Rib song. And we talked about this in our breakdown, how they could not keep it together. But I thought we could play the blooper because it is so funny.

I want my baby back, baby back, baby back. I want my baby back, baby back, baby back. I want my... Chili's baby back ribs. I want my baby back, baby back, baby back. I want my... Chili's baby back ribs. Chili's...

Chili's baby back ribs. No, wait out the second one. Clearly, when Steve goes into the Chili's... That was it. That's all they had in them. They couldn't make it through.

Well, final tidbit, everyone. I'm calling this prop trick of the trade. At 9 minutes and 40 seconds, Dwight has a talking head in the kitchen, and there is a can of wet ones by the sink. They are clearly the brand wet ones, but they have whited out the T in wet and the O in ones. So it actually says weeness.

Everybody, this is a prop trick of the trade. They do this on sets to obscure a label or a logo. That way they don't have to make a fake one or a blank one. Or pay for the company, like product placement. Yes. I noticed they also put a cozy on the hand soap to hide its label and they put a tape over the dish soap label as well. Well, there you go, you guys. That was our second drink of the client. Yeah. Whoa. It's amazing. It's so fun.

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Season two, episode seven, The Client. The Client! Welcome to Office, ladies, everyone. I am still putting my note cards on the table because- This is more note cards than I've ever seen you have, ever. Jenna, I take my job very seriously. I am Keeper of the Note Cards, first of her name. It's Game of Thrones, Jenna. I'm Keeper of the Note Cards. Angela, you know I don't know that show. Well, I'm going to quote it at you. You do quote it at me. You do quote it at me.

Okay, where are we at? Let's get started. This episode was written by Paul Lieberstein and directed by Greg Daniels. You have nothing to say to that? You've got a gazillion note cards, but nothing to say to that. I mean, listen, sometimes you say things that are just facts. That's just a fact. I don't know what to do with that. So like, yes, that is true, Jenna. That is a true statement. That is who wrote this and who directed this.

Next. Okay, well, I guess next I usually do a summary. Yeah. But I'm not going to do it today. Why? Because I don't maybe like, I don't like that you're not responding to me today. What? No, I'm kidding. But I'm not going to do the summary today because I got someone else to do the summary. Who? Somebody. Is it your husband, Lee? It's not my husband, Lee.

you listen. All right, hit play, Sam. In The Client, Michael heads to Chili's with Jan to try and close a deal with a major client. While Michael is gone, Pam discovers a screenplay Michael has been writing called Threat Level Midnight, an action movie about an FBI agent named Michael Scarn, who is married to yours truly, Catherine Zeta-Jones.

The staff divides up the roles and reads the script aloud. Also in this episode, Jim and Pam share grilled cheese sandwiches on the rooftop of Dunder Mifflin and Michael and Jan share a kiss. Crap! Catherine Zeta-Jones? That is Catherine Zeta-Jones. You are freaking kidding me. I'm not! I'm not! What the hell? What? I mean, what is going on? Yes, should I explain? Yeah. What? Yeah?

All right. I've never met her. I should start with that. Wait, what? Did you not know that? We've never met. No, no. In my mind, you're like, you have this whole friendship with like a big movie star. And I'm like, oh, that's cool, Jenna, I guess. Whatever. Well, I'd like to say I would love to be friends with her. She has a love of movie musicals, like traditional movie musicals. She's so good herself. She's so fantastic. But I...

But I also have that love. So I have daydreams of us watching like old movie musicals together and then tap dancing a little bit and then maybe having a cocktail or some tea. Reenacting scenes from Chicago. Yeah, this is what I imagine my friendship with Catherine Zeta-Jones is like.

But I did do a movie with Michael Douglas. I played his daughter in a movie called Solitary Man. He's so good in it. It stars him and Jesse Eisenberg. In that movie, I did my first New York City walk and talk. Oh. Do you know those movies you see?

They're walking down the sidewalk. That are shot in New York. Yeah. And they're just people. They're just walking and talking. And from the time I was little, I would see this in movies. And that, to me, was like, you're a movie star. Doing a walk and talk. If you do a walk and talk on the streets of New York, you've made it, kid. So I'm shooting this scene with Michael Douglas. And I turned to him and I said, Michael, this is my first New York City walk and talk.

And he turned to me. He got it. He goes, what? You got to be kidding me. This is fantastic. I'm your first New York City walk and talk. Congrats. Like he it was all it was everything I wanted the moment to be. Well, so flash forward to I'm on The Office and they write this joke in this episode that Michael Skarn's wife is Catherine Zeta-Jones and.

Cut even more forward, their kids are now, I think, big fans of The Office. And she started posting about The Office.

So I got up the courage to DM her on Insta. You slid into Catherine Zeta-Jones' DMs. I did. And we've had a nice little DM relationship ever since. And then I became brave enough to ask her if she would please, please record our summary. And that brings us to now. Okay. Well, Catherine, I don't know you, but that was fantastic. And thank you so much. Thank you. Now can I go into fast facts, Angela? Please go into your fast facts. Fast fact number one. Big news, everybody.

Big news. At two minutes, 50 seconds, Mindy's hair is down. It is down. Why do you want to freaking steal one of my big note cards? Damn it, Jenna. My running bit about Mindy's hair. Your running bit? Running bit. It's not our running bit? It's mine. Oh, okay.

I have to admit, it is kind of yours. You started it. Okay, yes. It's a half up, half down. But it's very flowy. Very flowy. We are starting our transition to all down. This is half up, half down. Because in Halloween, there were these braided... But you said it didn't count because it was a costume. That's right. And I also claimed that I thought the first time we were going to see her hair down was casino night. So I stand corrected. It is two minutes, 50 seconds. The client. The client. Also in that scene...

I think we're getting closer to the Kelly Kapoor we will all know and love. Oh, she was giggly. She was like, say it's not your fiance. Yes. Bright, giggly. Yes. No more morose French twist, Kelly Kapoor. So for those of you who've been listening to the podcast here, you know why this fast fact was so big for Jenna and I. Kelly's hair is almost all the way down. We've been tracking her transformation. When will she become Mindy? We're almost there. Speaking

Speaking of hair, what is up with John's hair in this episode? Did you notice?

Well, it's like it kind of like is flipping out a little. No, the front, like the bangs that are usually kind of like floppy and real cute. They're like shellacked a little bit. Well, it looks like someone just took a pair of scissors and just did a real blunt horizontal cut. Well, I have said I feel like he has a bowl haircut for a long time. Yeah, this is the most bowl I've ever seen. So, guys, you can check that out. Yeah. Fast fact number two. Mm-hmm.

Tim Meadows. Yay! Guest stars in this episode as the Lackawanna County Representative Christian. I feel like, you know, we had this rule where we weren't going to do any stunt casting, and this is the first time we kind of broke that rule, but we had to because he was so good. He's so good. And actually, Jenna and I both know Tim, and I was able to connect with him this week, and we hopped on the phone and talked about this episode, and he was so delightful. So I have some fun Tim tidbits for you.

for this episode, and I'll get to those here in a minute. Well, I didn't work the day that they shot the scenes with Tim, but I was such a big SNL fan that I went up to the set just to meet him, and I had lunch with him. I totally fangirled.

And eventually we would end up doing the movie Walk Hard together. And so I actually got to work with him. Talk about fangirl. I did a pilot with Tim Meadows for Fox called The Gabriels and Rob Riggle was in it. And we had so much fun. He is so hilarious. He's a hoot. Did I just say he's a hoot? Am I a nerd? You did say he is a hoot.

Why don't you give us a fast fact? Fast fact number three. This episode was inspired by an idea that they had in the writer's room early on that Jim and Pam would go on a date without really being on a date. So that was the card that they put up on the wall. How can we get Jim and Pam on a date without really being on a date?

But then they also wanted to do the same thing with Michael and Jan. They thought it would be really fun to have both of these couples have this romantic evening. Right. Sort of have a convention within the workday that they would somehow end up on a date. They also had the end of this episode written first, and then they wrote toward that ending. So that look that you see between Jim and Michael at the very end of the episode where they both

kind of shrug together. Like, ugh, women. The ladies. The ladies in our lives. They knew that that would be the ending. And then they tracked it back. Interesting. Because another thing that they wanted was this moment where Jim and Michael relate and bond over something. So that's what they decided it would be. Those are my fast facts. Okay. Can I start my note cards? I think we have to take a break. What is with you today? What is with you? What is going on?

I don't know. We are taping this like two days before the Christmas holiday week. I am in check it off the list mode. It is pretty funny though, because you're saying something and then I'm just looking at you and you're like, that's it? You got nothing? I know. You're just staring at me or nodding. And I'm like, it's an audio show. You have to give some audio cue that you've heard me. Are you done? Okay. All right. We're going to a break.

I did it. She did nothing again. I did it. I did it. Hey, we have a pretty special guest in this episode. We do. Coming up after the break, we're going to talk to Melora Hardin. Who plays Jan. Yeah. We had to talk to her because we were not at the Chili's. No. So we had no firsthand knowledge of the Chili's, of the kissing. That smooch. We had to go straight to the source. So when we get back from the break, we're going to talk to Melora. Yay. Yay.

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Oh, man, we're great. It's so great to hear your voice. Nice to hear yours, too. It's been a long time. Melora, thank you so much for agreeing to do this. The fans are going to go crazy. Let's get started by asking you, how did you end up on The Office? That's hilarious. Well, I got called last minute. It was sort of a last minute, like, come in and read for this, which I did. And I remember that, you know, I went in and, like, you know, literally looked at the side of

right there before I went in because it was that last minute. Wow. You know, it was like Ken Kwapis was in the room and so was Greg Daniels. And, you know, I could feel everybody was kind of excited and Allison Jones, our casting director, you know, you can always feel that as an actor, right? When it goes well and people are responding to what you're doing. Sure. And then the next day I was testing for a pilot and Allison Jones was casting that as well. She came out into the hallway and I was about to go in for my test and

and i was like i was really fun yesterday i really like that you know the fact that she's like yeah and i said maybe i'll get you know maybe i'll get about because that was a the character of jan at the time for the pilot with a guest star possibly recurring character

But this one that I was testing for was a lead character, regular in a pilot. For an actor, you want to get the pilot because, you know, when you're the regular or one of the stars of the show, because that's better money and, you know, just seems better. And she's like, well, I really want you to get that one, meaning the office. She really wanted me to get the office. Anyway, I went in. I did the pilot test. I didn't get the pilot test, but I did get the office. Wow. Well, the client.

is a very big episode for Michael and Jan. Oh, yeah. You know, this is where you have your smooch in the parking lot. And we have a fan who wrote in. His name is Ryan. And he asked, how far in advance did you know about Michael and Jan's relationship? Well, when we were filming the pilot, I remember sitting at the tables having lunch with Greg Daniels and Steve Carell. And

We were all laughing at how kind of weirdly interesting Jan and Michael were together. Like we sort of, and we were like, well, yeah, that's funny. You know, if we get a pickup and we get an opportunity to do this more of the show than just the six that we're doing, which was our first season, then, you know, it'll be fun. We should have them hook up.

Wow. Because we kind of felt like there was a little spark between them and we kind of conjured it on the pilot. Well, you guys had fantastic chemistry and I think they were all picking up on that and seeing the possibilities because you and Steve in scenes together were just amazing. Thank you.

You know what else is like, everybody is so perfectly cast in this show. I mean, that's one of the things I think that makes the show, besides the writing, which is unbelievable, but also just every single person is perfectly cast. There's not one person that you look at and go, well, you know, eh.

I mean, everybody's just absolutely spot on. I agree. I agree. Jinx. Okay, well, Melora, can we ask you a little bit about what it was like filming those scenes in that Chili's? I mean, how did you get through those scenes? I was dying laughing. Oh, it is ridiculous. I will say that the stuff that Steve and... Tim Meadows. Tim Meadows. He's actually a friend of ours. He was so great in that. He is so freaking funny. And the stuff that they did and...

the improv that they did and it just it just flattened me and I swear last night when I was watching it I watched it with my husband and you know I was just like I kept going oh my god it was so hard to keep my straight oh my god it was so hard to keep my straight I was so amazed at how incredibly straight faced I was because I'm telling you every time we cut I would just burst into laughter laughter

And I had to look so irritated and so, you know, so like just completely put off by all the stuff they were doing. But in reality, it was tough. So do you remember anything in particular that those guys improvised? Like was the Baby Back Ribs song, was that improvised? Yes, I think that was. That whole little section there was really...

I think that really was just spur of the moment, the way that they kind of went back and forth. Well, I have to move us along. Yes, we have another fan question that I'm actually dying to hear because when I rewatched it, I was like, oh my God, I forgot how long you and Steve kissed. You really smooched quite a bit. David R. Carroll said...

BJ Novak has been quoted as saying that the kiss between Michael and Jan was rehearsed and filmed many, many, many times. I don't remember rehearsing it. I'm certain that when we rehearsed it, we certainly didn't kiss during the rehearsal.

No. And actually, last night when I watched it, I was like, that was a really sweet and like kind of awkwardly just bumpy, bumbly kiss that I kind of loved. I thought it was a really great first kiss for the two of them. Yeah. Do you remember any direction that Greg gave you during that scene?

I don't remember. I really think we did it like one time or two times. I don't even know what BD is talking about. I remember it being really quick, and I actually think that the take that you see on there is the first time we did it. So I feel like, and it just has all that. It has everything it needs in it. You know, it has the tension. It has the kind of like, wait, that's so wrong, and wait a second, I want more of that.

Yeah. Kind of thing that Jan, I think, struggled with the entire relationship with Michael. So I love that. Well, that was really a spy shot. I know that Randall was crouched behind a car and he had this idea of shooting through the car window to you. That's right. And I remember doing some scenes like that. And they always felt so real because you couldn't feel the camera moving.

you know, a foot away from you. You really felt like you were out in a parking lot. Exactly. You really do feel like you're in the middle of nowhere doing your own thing, having that private moment that we're all trying to strive for at all times as actors. Well, Melora, there is a

scene in the Chili's, I thought you did such a phenomenal job. And it's at the end of the night and you guys, you've had a few drinks, you're over it. They're having beers and talking and you're just sort of checked out. And then you realize that Michael is about to close this deal. You see what he's doing and you perk up and you look at him with this smile on your face. And it, that was the moment for me that I realized why she was

Even entertained being in a relationship with Michael. She saw that side of him and was like, oh my God, he's crushing it. And it totally made everything make sense for me. Yeah. But you did a great job. It is a great moment. And it's, Jan really rarely smiles in the show. Yeah.

I do so much scowling and kind of, you know, disapproving looks. And so it's really nice to see her kind of have that big, full expression of, you know, kind of enjoyment of, oh, my God, this whole thing that, you know, that he's been doing all night that I thought was just a bunch of BS.

actually was, you know, there was a method to his madness. And I do love that. And I think that is the thing that leads to the kiss is that he feels the, you know, he gets to have the moment of victory. And she has, you know, and she kind of is like, oh, there's more to this guy than I thought. You know, he's not just this idiot that I thought he was. Yeah, yeah.

Melora, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us about this. Will you consider coming back for future episodes, perhaps? Oh, sure. Well, when you get to the dinner party, we'll probably. I was going to say. I mean, it is like one of the best episodes ever. And you're so phenomenal in it.

Well, you guys are sweet. And what an amazing thing we've been part of together with the office and everything. It's really exciting. And I love that you guys are doing this for the fans and revisiting all this. It was really fun watching the episode last night. All right. Well, great. We'll see you for dinner party, lady. All right. I'll see you then. Thanks, Melora. Bye. Bye, you guys. Angela, I think we should get into this episode. Let's start talking about...

about the client. Okay, can we talk about Michael and his jeans? Yes. Oh my gosh, this cold open made me laugh so hard. I just think it's really funny that when Michael is dancing around in his jeans, there's this tiny spy shot of Angela Martin's head that's to the left of the potted plant while Michael is dancing on the end table and she's just looking there snarky. But I'm so short, my head barely comes over the partition.

And so there's the plant and then my head just for like a split second at 18 seconds. And then back again when he's goofing off, I'm like judging him from the copier. So Angela Martin is just being placed in these little spaces in the background judging. Well, I remember that I had to have a big wardrobe fitting of quote unquote casual clothes so that we could shoot these flashbacks to Casual Fridays. Oh, yeah.

Angela, are you just wearing your regular gray office wear? I never participate in Casual Friday. What's interesting to me is that this cold open implies that we have Casual Fridays at the office, but so far, we've never...

show in a casual Friday or reference to casual Friday, and I believe we never do again, even though we very often have episodes set on a Friday. No, this is the one time. I said also there's some real great Pam sass in this cold open because what do you do at the end? You just chunk his jeans under the result. Chunk them? Yes, you just, you flip them over and you toss them. Have you been saying chunk your whole life? It's chuck. You chuck them. Wait, no. No.

Have you been saying chunk for your whole life? Are you chunking at something? Chunking? Sam, Sam, it's Chuck, right? It's Chuck. It's 100% Chuck. Some people. Another wiffle. Oh my God. Do you chunk your wiffle ball? I chunk it. Chunk it real hard at someone.

I have to take my glasses off because I'm crying. I'm crying. I'm laughing so hard. I chunk it. You don't chunk it. Oh, man. Oh, Lord. Yeah. Pam chucks the jeans into the trash. Well, there is some Pam sass there. There is. Also, how long in my life have I been saying things wrong? And now I'm just learning about it all on the podcast. I don't know. Oh, God. Okay. Well, that is life intimidating art right there.

Okay, so after the scene with the jeans, the show opens with Michael and Jan having a meeting. They're talking about how they're hoping to secure a very big account, Lackawanna County, the whole county. They will buy their paper from Dunder Mifflin.

This is when Michael tells Jan he has changed the meeting from the Radisson, which he describes as too snooty, to Chili's, which he says is the new golf course where business happens. Yes, I have that on a card. I thought it was so funny. The Radisson. Too snooty. Too snooty. Too snooty. Too stuffy. I have two note cards from this scene that I have to bring up. Oh, well, then go. I mean, at a minute, 16 seconds. You guys, Jan has hot pink nail polish. She does? Yes. Yes.

I think Angela Martin is probably judging her. I mean, you know, she judges her. But hot pink nail polish in the workplace, I'm just saying. And then a minute 31 seconds, Jim has a talking head. And he says that if we get this big Lackawanna account, we might not have to downsize. But didn't we just downsize in the Halloween episode?

Well, we let go of one person, but I think the bigger deal is that they're saying an entire branch might have to close. Ah. So it's either us or Stanford. Got it. It's going to have to close completely. Okay. Nice. So this would save us. I got it. This moves us into the scene in the kitchen where everyone is telling their worst first date stories. Yes.

Oscar tells a story about how he went on a date and he found out the woman had background checked him. The woman. Yeah. Yes. I have this on a note card. I'm like, Oscar is telling this like kind of horrible date scenario where he went on a date with a woman. So did...

Did the writers not know that they were going to make Oscar gay yet? Or is Oscar kind of covering in front of his co-workers? Well, that backstory of being on a date with someone who'd done a background check on you, that was based on a real story of Paul Lieberstein's dating life. What? Yeah. He said he went on to date the woman for a while, but that on their first date, she revealed that she had done...

Like a real deep dive on him to make sure that he was on the up and up. I have a fan question. Both Sarah Clark and Kem asked, who came up with Pam's worst first date story? Well, Pam's story of being left at a hockey game was not based on anyone's real story. But the writers went around the room and they just pitched worst first date stories. Where is the worst place that you could leave a date? That was their assignment one afternoon. Okay.

a little insight into the writer's room, what it's like. They sit in there on a bunch of couches and

And they eat snacks. They eat a lot of snacks up there. They really do. Because we would go steal their snacks. We would steal their snacks. But they also do sit at a table with computers as well. Well, they do. But sometimes when they pitch these ideas, it's really fun to go in there. Because they'll say, okay, what is the worst place to leave a date? And then they just go around the room. You just shout it out. It's like so fun in a writer's room. Because I feel like when they do that kind of stuff, it's almost like playing a game of Pictionary or something. Yeah, yeah. In your living room.

So they said that they had a lot of alternates, but this was their favorite. They liked the idea. I wish we could know what their alternates were. I know. This is the one that ended up in the script, but I think it's perfect. First of all, that he took her to a minor league hockey game on their first date. Second, that he brought his brother. And then third, that they left her there. Yeah.

And then that it was Roy. Yeah. It totally supports the backstory you made up that he bought Sea-Doo's with the money you were going to plan your wedding with. Yeah, with his brother. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I loved it. I thought it was perfect. At three minutes, 35 seconds, in the background, there is a mail cart, like a rolly mail cart. Oh, yeah. It's there a lot. No one ever pushes it. No one ever delivers from it. No, sometimes we've had people push that cart, I think. I feel like Oscar has done something with that cart.

Really? I don't know, guys. We don't have a designated mail person, though, that like comes around with their mail. We don't have a mail room. We don't. I feel like Pam handles all the mail. Well, then she just pushes the cart to the back of the room. Well, I never pushed the cart. But maybe anyone out there, comment us. Let us know. Yeah, who pushes the cart? At 3 minutes 54 seconds, you can see three photos on my desk. Yes, look, I have one of them.

Oh, Janet, there's a photo of your sister and her husband taped to your desk. Yes, that's right. And my sister's husband's name is Dwight. Isn't that crazy? Now, the writers didn't know that. That was just all like by chance. Yes. Here's a little bit of interesting trivia. My father's name is Jim. My brother-in-law's name is Dwight. And my niece's name is Cece.

Well, and they named the character after Cece. Yes. The other two were already happening. Yeah. But that one was all you. My niece Cece was born about a week before we filmed the episode where Pam and Jim have their baby. And I asked if we could name their baby Cece after my niece. I think that's so cute. All right, ladies, should we take a break? I think we should. I see you've pared down your note cards here. I'm paring down my note cards. I've collected myself. I'm no longer laughing at you when you just simply look at me.

Thank you. Thank you for admitting that all I'm doing is looking at you. I know, but the expression was really funny. Why? Now you just did it again. You just implied that there's some way I'm looking at you. This is your thing. I'm going to take a sneaky photo of your face. Don't you dare. Lady, you do. I have to do the impression. Ready? This is my impression. You be me. Hold on. Look down at your note, whatever you're doing. Okay. Ready? And those are my fast facts.

Nothing? You have nothing? This is a podcast. You're supposed to talk. That's my impression. But did you see my face? Barely. Those are my fast facts. And those are my fast facts. Your turn. Every year, I try to set a new goal for myself. And one I really want to do this year for 2025...

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The closest Chili's is actually about 30 minutes away in Wilkes-Barre at the Wyoming Valley Mall. Somebody did a little bit of a deep dive. I remember this. I remember when we were shooting it that we discovered that there isn't really a Chili's in Scranton. You have to go outside to get there.

And it wasn't a big deal when we did the Dundies. But here, Michael does say it's only a couple blocks away. But it's not. And then he goes on to say, you don't know Scranton at all. That's right. It's like, well, maybe, maybe you don't know it. What was it like for all the people in Scranton to see this episode and be like, wait, what? Where's the Chili's? Well, they probably had the same moment when they saw a palm tree or two every once in a while. They'd be like, wait, what's a palm tree doing in there? I also want to say, I looked it up. There still isn't a Chili's in Scranton. Chili's?

Missed opportunity here? You guys want to go ahead and put a Chili's in Scranton already? Chili's, maybe you should call us because Jenna has some business plan for you. We will cut the ribbon. Oh, we would cut the ribbon. We'll cut the ribbon. I've never done that. That'd be fun. I know. I've always wanted to do that where you hold the giant scissors. Don't chunk them though. I won't chunk them, Angela. I will not chunk them at anyone. Don't chunk them at anyone.

So they walk inside the Chili's to one of my all-time favorite scenes. Yes, I bet. I bet it's this. I'm holding up my note card. It is. Is it? Is Gould dead? No Gould. When she says no Gould, when Steve's face as Michael, when he whips around and goes, no Gould, like it is, you see everything in him go electric. Yes. Is Gould dead? Do you want to talk about it?

Are you okay? We're in a meeting, Michael. Michael, we're in a meeting. And then he has to give that look to camera? Yeah. Oh my God.

It's so good. Oh, man. Steve is so good in that scene. Oh, we have the same thing written down now. What? I just peeked at your note card. The waitress, Megan. You hold your paper up so I can't see it, but my note cards are right here in front of you. That's your business. Five minutes, 47 seconds. Megan, may we have an awesome blossom, please? I think this is a great detail. Now, I don't know if this was in the script. I don't know if Steve improvised that.

But I love that Michael remembers the waitress by name. I absolutely believe that the character of Michael would remember every waiter or waitress by name. I think that Michael... Every flight attendant. Yes, I was going to say, I think Michael knows the name of every person he has to interact with. Yes. And it's his pleasure to get to know their name. And I love that he knows the waitress is Megan. It is a great, great detail.

Six minutes, 19 seconds, Michael calls Pam on the phone back at the office to get him to read her a bunch of jokes from these joke books in his office. I got a lot of questions about this, people wanting to know the punchline for that joke about the lighthouse that Pam starts and Michael's like, no, no, no, not that one. There is no punchline to the joke. It was not in the book.

Those jokes, quote unquote, were scripted and they just wrote the beginning of the jokes.

Oh, I love it. There were no endings. I bet the writers had a lot of fun with that. Just writing the first line of a joke that they know they don't have to worry about the payoff. That would have been fun. Well, and I had the challenge of having to memorize the line but look like I was reading from the book that I was not reading from. Oh, yeah. That's tricky. It was a little tricky. After this, Pam finds Threat Level Midnight, the script that Michael has written, where he is an action star, Michael Scarn.

And at 7 minutes, 18 seconds, Jim finds drawings of the Threat Level Midnight poster within the script. And we had a fan question from Becca Ramirez. She asked, who made the drawings in the script of Threat Level Midnight? Do you know? I don't. Great question. Greg Daniels. Did he?

Did he really? He made the drawings himself. Oh my gosh. I could see him sort of sitting on the side quickly drawing them. So he sketched them out and then he gave them to, I guess it would be Phil Shea. Yeah. And Phil hired an artist, but this was the example, like Greg kind of sketched it out to say, here's my idea of what the poster, this is what the drawing should look like.

And Greg said the artist came back and the drawings were so good that he thought maybe his kind of crappier drawing was more realistic. More realistic, yeah, that Michael would do that. Yeah, so he kept his own drawing in. I think it's just perfect. Okay, well, two things. Number one, here's the actual joke.

At the Chili's. At the Chili's. Here's the actual joke. Yeah. And that's the line that makes Christian, the client, just roll over laughing. How about it's 7 minutes 36 seconds later?

They're all eating this awesome blossom with no drinks, not even waters. Megan, where's their waters? Megan? I mean, those are kind of salty. You need your water. You do. Oh, I have a fan question. Okay. So a lot of people asked if this was the same Chili's

Where we shot Dundies. Yes. All right. I did some research. So we got a lot of conflicting information on this one when I went to research it. First of all, the internet says it was not the same chilies. Yet they have no citation for their information. That's right. So I asked Phil Shea. He said he thought it was the same one.

But he said it was close to our set. But the original Dundies one was not close to our set. Then I asked Greg. He said he couldn't remember, but he knows it was an empty Black Angus. So I don't know. So I actually asked Tim this as well. I said, Tim, can you tell me a little bit about where you filmed? Because we're trying to figure out if it was where we filmed the Dundies. And he said, well, I can tell you this. It was like this really gross...

Oh, boy. Out of business restaurant in a kind of sketchy area. So maybe it was the same. I know. That makes me think it was the same. And he said it was gross because no one had been in that building in so long. There were like little nooks and crannies of it that were kind of dusty and corrody. As I was watching it, I couldn't tell. If it was different, they did an excellent job of making it look like it was the same place. Yeah, I couldn't tell either. But Tim's description of it kind of brought me back.

8 minutes 34 seconds, Michael's tie with the little mouth on it. Yes. That he uses to eat the awesome blossom. That was scripted.

That he would do that. Okay. And the wardrobe designer actually had to make that tie. That is a custom-made tie. She made seven different mouth options that she showed to Greg, and he had to pick the mouth that would go on the tie. Oh, my gosh. This is when I'm like, our jobs are crazy. That is a crazy thing. Hey, how was your day? Well, I had to make ties with mouths on them, like a bunch of different mouths. I made seven different mouths, and then my boss picked one. Okay.

Okay, can we get to one of my favorite scenes, which is nine minutes, seven seconds, the baby back ribs. Yes. All right. I was so excited to talk to Tim about this. Now, a lot of you guys wrote in and said, was that improvised? Was it scripted? And here's what Tim said. Tim said the beginning of that song, when Michael starts off singing, was in the script. And in the script that he was supposed to join in at the end. Okay. Baby back ribs, right? At the end. And he said when they started filming it,

Steve started to sing and it just kind of wasn't working when Tim joined in. So Tim started doing the other part, just kind of improvised that, I want my baby back, baby back, baby back. And then it was like...

Lightning bolt. Off to the races. We've got it. And he said one of his favorite moments, it's in the bloopers, and I went and watched it, is he goes to do his, I want my baby back, and Steve just improvises, no, you come in later. And he's like, oh, yeah, right. And it's so funny. It's a great little moment in the bloopers. I watched those deleted scenes as well.

So good. So good. And Melora's right. Melora could not hold it together. I mean, can you blame her? No. They were so funny. And they really wanted to hold that three shot. They really wanted her to be the anchor of the scene. So they couldn't carve it up. They couldn't have all these singles or anything. So anytime she laughed...

They had to start again. They did. You can also tell that those guys are having so much fun singing together. They're having a blast. The week after this scene, Steve was going to shoot to host Saturday Night Live.

And so when I was there that day, I remember Tim giving him like some little, yeah, all the insider info on what it would be like. Well, I actually said to Tim, I was like, Tim, you and Steve had such great chemistry. How, like, how long have you known each other? And he said, we've actually known each other a really, really long time. So they met a long, long time ago before any of them were famous. When they were really young, they were all at Second City in Chicago. Yeah.

And they also did ImprovOlympic. And then Tim was cast on SNL with Nancy Carell and Dave Koechner.

Oh my gosh. Right? But he said, honestly, he said when they became really, really tight and got to know each other is the summer when he had off from Saturday Night Live, all of those guys went and did a second city tour in DC. And they were there for the summer. And he said, that was so much fun. He said they would do their show. And then after the show, they would all stay and do an improv set. And he said, it's some of the best improv he's ever been a part of.

Could you imagine if you could go back in time and buy a ticket to that show? I would have loved it. There are people who got to see that. Yeah. And Tim said, I was like, who was in the cast? And he said it was Steve and Nancy, John Glazer, Adam McKay, Teresa Mulligan, who I know, who is hilarious. Yes.

And they just had the best time. Well, some of the most fun we ever had, Angela, off camera on our show was when we would get to hang out with the cast of Saturday Night Live. Because remember, they're an NBC show. We're an NBC show. So we would often have to do press with them. We would go to New York. They would fly the cast of The Office to New York. And we would spend an entire day doing press.

press conferences. And then in the evenings, they would throw a little party for all of the actors on the NBC shows. And it would be the cast of The Office and the cast of Saturday Night Live. And we would just crack up. Crack up. And have dance parties. Those are some of my most fun memories. And I even remember being there and pinching myself

and thinking, remember this, remember all of this. Yes, I remember. One of the things I remember is that you and I going to watch Saturday Night Live and we got there and we were sort of hanging out with everyone before they're kind of getting ready. So we just said hi quickly. We went to our seats

And then afterwards, we went back in their dressing rooms and hung out like another half hour. Then we went to this like after party that they have after every one, every taping. That was really cool. But then Chris Parnell was like, guys, do you want to go to the after party? The after after party. And I was like, wait, isn't this –

And he goes, no, no, no, the after after party. And then we went to the after after party. And it was like in this bar, Jenna, that looked like a forest. It had all these trees. And you and I, like, I think I just had on like a denim dress I got at the Gap. Like...

And like everyone was dressed so cool looking. And I turned to you and I was like, it is three in the morning. Oh, I think the sun was coming up when we finally called it a night. I remember going up to Chris Parnell and being like, so I think we're done. He's like, all right, guys. They were still there. Crazy. We left and they were still there. Those are some of my favorite memories. And I'm so glad we did that stuff because we are kind of

The people who don't normally stay out late. No, we don't. But we went for it. And I was, there were two casts that we hung out with a ton in our heyday of the office, I would say. And one of those was SNL and the other was Mad Men. Yes. Mad Men, that show was coming up.

at the same time that we were. And I would hang out with the cast of Mad Men a lot. Also- Because it's the same thing. We would have to go to these press junkets and the stars of all the shows would be in their various conference rooms speaking to the press, but then they'd have some like big

buffet lunch for all of us and I would chit chat with all the Mad Men people. The other cast that I ended up talking to quite a bit who I really thought were fantastic was Community. Oh, yes. That's right. Everyone on that show was just so cool and fun and I loved getting when we got partnered with them, you know, to do press. Well, bringing us back to the episode, you know that scene where they're eating the ribs? Yeah. Okay. I found out a really interesting little tidbit. I listened to the DVD commentary and

That's actually Paul and Greg making the slurping sounds. Oh, no. They recorded slurping sounds in the editing room to lay on top of that scene to just make it even grosser for Melora's reaction. That is so funny. That is so funny and just makes me love our show because I felt like we were just like this little engine that could, this little team of like, we need two people to make slurping sounds. Oh, that happened.

all the time. Yeah, all the time. You have some more stuff about Tim, though. What do you want to say? Well, I just asked him if he had heard of The Office and how he came to get the job, and he said that he was a humongous fan of the BBC version. And he said that when he got the

call about the show that it was not a hit, right? It was kind of early on. It was still sort of like, what is this show about? And he said in inner comedy circles, people were like, the show's really funny. So he knew it was funny, but it was like,

the world didn't really know about this show yet. And he was kind of busy and he was like, I don't know, guys, I don't know that I can do it. And so he initially said no. Oh, he turned it down? Yes. And then they called back and Tim said his theatrical manager's assistant was like, Tim, this show is so hilarious. And he was like,

All right, all right. All right, I'll do it. I'll do it. And he said he's so glad he did. Of course, he had the best time with Steve. Thanks, Tim. So now, Angela, I think we should go back into the office and talk a little bit about threat level midnight. Oh, yes. Everyone in the office goes into the conference room, they divide up the parts, and they start reading threat level midnight. I think this is a great example of what a table read is like. This is what we would do every week on The Office.

Tuesdays or Wednesdays at lunch, we would all go into this conference room. They would hand out the next week's script, and we would read it out loud. Yeah, and usually the director was the narrator. They would read all the stage direction. And on Threat Level Midnight, Jim is the narrator when you guys all read it, and he casts Oscar as Goldenface. But when Threat Level Midnight is actually made, Jim is Goldenface. Yes. Yes.

Yes, that's right. A little catch there. One of my favorite things in this is Dwigged. The fact that Michael's bumbling assistant clearly used to be named Dwight. So that talking head that Pam gives where she explains the typo and all of that.

The first time we shot this episode, that explanation did not exist. And so that was a reshoot. I actually like that talking head because it helped it make sense for me because Samuel L. Chang was actually dwecked.

That's right. Well, here's the cast that we see in Threat Level Midnight at the table read. Now, it's more fleshed out and things have changed once it's an actual movie. And we see that in season seven. Phyllis is Catherine Zeta-Jones. Dwight is Michael Scarn. Oscar is Golden Face. Ryan is Samuel L. Chang.

And that's the only people that are cast in what we see. Everyone else is sort of sitting around, but those are the ones that are called out. Well, I had a big fan question here. A lot of people asked if Threat Level Midnight was a fully written script. It was written. They did write quite a bit so that we would have something to work with. But as you see in the show, it's an unfinished script. So it was not a fully written script. They also wanted to know if we read from the script or if it was improvised or

I was going to say that I thought we read from the script, but I found an interview with Brian Baumgartner where he said we improvised it and BJ backed that up, that we were sitting around for about five to ten minutes.

and we were just throwing out anything at all, which seems almost impossible to me, but there's two people in the cast who say that's how it was. I remember it differently. Even Phyllis, when she said, I have two things to say. First thing is I love you. No, no, no. So I should say some of it was scripted, but we did also improvise some. Okay. So it was both. And that

happened a lot when we were shooting. They would leave the cameras rolling and then we would throw stuff out there. And some of the improvisations stayed in. I love that. But you could definitely tell the beginning of the scene was scripted getting you into it. Yes, that's true. Back at Chili's, guys, let's have a little bit of an adult beverage timecode count. Oh, dear. So at 7 minutes 59 seconds, Jan orders a vodka tonic. We never see this vodka tonic.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. At 8 minutes, 35 seconds, they all have margaritas.

So is Jan on her second drink? At 13 minutes, 44 seconds, Michael and Christian are having beers. Jan looks like she's having a water with lime. I can't tell. It's in a tall glass. Maybe that's finally her vodka tonic. I don't know. That's our adult beverage count for those of you who love the background stuff like me. Angela, I'm ready to take us on a date. To the roof. To the roof. Pam and Jim's roof date. I have so many questions.

I have so many technical questions. Okay. And then I have some just, you know, fan of the office questions. What do you want to know? How did you get up on that roof? Okay. So the ladder that you see in the episode really leads up to the roof. You really climbed that little fire escape looking ladder? John and I did not. But that is how the crew got up there. Okay. John and I, for I guess... Safety reasons. And insurance reasons, we got into a harness...

Okay. And then they lifted us up to the roof. Like in a forklift kind of thing? Yeah. In some sort of weird platformy forklift, which seemed scarier and more dangerous than if I'd just been allowed to use the ladder. And we shot on the actual roof of Dunder Mifflin, of the Dunder Mifflin building. I would rather climb the ladder. Same. I asked to climb the ladder, but we went up and down on the

platform forklift. Okay. I have a fan question about the roof. Okay. James K. asked, was it cold on the roof? It looked cold. It wasn't. It wasn't? Oh, Angela, shooting the scene is one of my fondest memories of all time from the show because the only people on the roof were me, John,

Greg Daniels, Paul Lieberstein, our first AD, and our camera operator and DP, Randall Einhorn. It was warm. It was a warm summer evening. But like a beautiful summer night. Warm breeze. It was, I can't explain it, but this little group of us up on the roof, it hit me while I was up there. I'm on a TV show. I'm living my dream.

This is amazing. Right. I'm sure it felt really magical. Just like a magical moment. Completely magical. We had really gelled as a group at this point. You know, we were really in it all together. We all loved the show so much.

We loved being at work so much. It was just really, really special. And the grilled cheese sandwiches tasted so good. It was great. I have another fan question. Donna asked, was anyone hurt by the fireworks? That looked kind of dangerous. So I saw Brian Baumgartner recently, and I asked him about the fireworks. He said, Jenna, it was insane.

There was no stunt coordinator for these fireworks. He said because they had to get the shot of us from so far away, they really left the two of them out in the middle of this parking lot field alone. Which looked very dry. Yeah. Well, you know, fireworks are illegal in LA. Oh my gosh. They had a hard time even getting fireworks for this scene. So we were breaking the law? I'm not

Sure. I know BJ said once in an article that there was a rule about how big the fireworks could be. They weren't allowed to shoot anything up in the air because L.A. is very dry. That's right. I think I do know that. So you can do the thing that's on the ground. Yeah. But that's it. Yes. So they were like the sparkler thing on the ground. Yes. Yes.

And Brian said that they couldn't hear anything. They could barely hear action or cut. They just were out there playing in these fireworks. But at a certain point, he heard someone shout, cover them, kick them, like stuff like that. It was probably Greg. It was probably Greg screaming. But Brian said they were just, it felt very real. And I think that was part of it about what made that night so magical was that

It was really like we were watching those guys goof around with fireworks. Because they were. Because you were. Yes. And after this, when we come down from the roof, you know, Jim and Pam, they leave the office and they're listening on the headphones. Oh, at 14 minutes, 34 seconds, I have a note card that says, old tech alert. What?

What? Because it's an iPod. Yes. It's an iPod, and you guys have like the little headphones where you each take a little ear. It's so cute. Well, Matt Hurt asked, what, if anything, were you and John listening to when you shot the swaying dancing scene? Okay, that's one of my questions too, Matt. So what was it? Okay, the song you hear in the episode is a song called Sing by Travis. Okay.

But John and I were actually listening to an Interpol song. Which song? I don't remember. But you know it was Interpol. Yes. I remember that. And I think that was John's actual iPod.

And that he suggested that song, that we listen to the song. Aw, jam fans are going to love that. Yeah. And that was also lovely. Same warm summer evening. It was awesome. So we talked to Melora a little bit about the next scene, which is Michael and Jan in the parking lot. That's at 15 minutes, 21 seconds. It is the big smooch. Yes, the big smooch. All right. So I feel like there's just this brilliant moment. And I don't know if it was written correctly.

are of Steve improvised this that just shows how over the moon giddy Michael is that him and Jan just kissed and that she said, let's get out of here. He's so giddy. And I wrote down the scene because I thought it was so adorable. It's at 15 minutes, 21 seconds. Jan says, Jan is sort of like,

all of a sudden camera aware, right? Yeah. She's looking for the camera. Is this getting caught on tape? She doesn't find the camera, but she wonders. Right. And so she says, let's go. And Michael goes, what? And she goes, let's go. And he says, where are we going? Oh, okay. Doesn't matter. Going to the go-go. Going to the go-go.

go-go. I thought that was so cute. He's just so excited. I thought it was adorable. All right, so it's the next morning now. The Dunner-Mifflin film crew enters the office. Do they have a key? Do you notice that? Dwight is sleeping on the couch. Maybe it's not even locked. I know. Maybe he never locked the door that night. Why is Dwight in blue underwear on his tank top under like a foil, like a FEMA foil blanket? Well, I'll tell you, there was a very big meeting of

about what underwear he would wear of course there was yes would it be boxers would it be briefs what color this is what they decided of course there's a huge meeting about dwight's underwear of course yeah i know and they decided on those blue kind of like tighty-whities yeah they're i guess they were very slouchy very baggy oh you know rain loved that he loved every second uh

What about the scene where he runs to the window? Angela sees Jan. That's right. So obviously the camera crew busts Jan, right? Yeah. She's so busted. But there are two Dunder Mifflin employees who also now know. Angela, who's arrived early in the parking lot, and Dwight, who's peeping down from the window. Yeah.

And Jan sees Dwight. I'm assuming she sees Angela as she drives by. But I love that Dwight and Angela. Oh, I think she totally clocks you. Oh, yeah. I do, too. But I love that Dwight and Angela, who go on to have their secret relationship, totally bust Jan. I love that it's Angela in the parking lot because I feel like the very last person who you want to see during your walk of shame is Angela. Exactly. All right. So Michael arrives.

Into the office with his delicious secret. He's so giddy. I felt like Melora described that so well, how sweet and innocent and happy he is that he –

He's so excited. So good. And he really is like, I'm not going to talk about it, right? No, I'm not going to speak about it. He's like, gentlemen, don't kiss and tell, and neither do I. Ha, ha, ha. Yes. And then the next thing we know, he's like, we'll have to disclose. We'll have to write a letter. Yeah, that's so true. About our relationship. He just, oh, man. In that talking head, I love the camera work in that. It's a very, very slow push in on Michael's face.

And you can just feel the camera putting all this pressure on Michael to tell the truth. How long does he last? He lasts like 14 seconds. Seconds. He's like, all right, fine. We went back and we- To her hotel. Yeah, we made out for a little bit. Made out a little. I held her and she talked to me about her divorce. Oh my gosh. That phone call with Jan where he goes under the desk, Greg directed that. Greg told Steve, why don't you take this phone call?

under the desk to avoid the camera crew. And he said it was great because they were able to edit together all of Steve's improvisations because you can't see his mouth. Oh, so smart. Yeah, because Steve was improvising a lot of that phone call and the things that, you know, he was saying back to Jan. Then we have Jim and Pam's, kind of their first fight. I don't know. They have

hiccup at the dojo, but this is different. They have little moments. I mean, he got his feelings really hurt when you suggested he try, you know, go for that job at the other branch. And then there was the dojo and now there's this.

Well, this one doesn't get resolved at the end of this episode. Jim suggests to Pam that maybe they had their first date, that you could say this was their first date. And I want to say something. I understand why Pam bristles at this. Well, let me just take a minute. First of all, Pam lies to Roy, boldface lies to Roy and says, I have to stay at work. And he's like, are you kidding me right now? And she's like...

No, I have to work. So already, she has probably, within her moral compass, stepped over a line. I think for Jim... Now, look, guys, I'm a huge Jim and Pam fan, and I wanted them together from the beginning. But I would think, as a guy, I was talking to my husband about this, and he goes, this is kind of a move Jim's doing. He knows she has a fiance, but he...

makes a grilled cheese sandwich, takes her up on the roof. Like he knows, he knows this is his moment. He's going for it. Ultimately they're, they end up together. So it's great, but that's not, that kind of breaks guy code of what you do with someone else's fiance. Well, and then I think for him to call it out so clearly out in the open, I think Pam is willing to pretend like none of that is happening and they're just friends while it's happening. Um,

But for you to just look at her and say, hey, you were kind of unfaithful last night was very shocking for her. And she had to shut that down. She had to be like, I'm sorry. I don't know what you're talking about. You're just my friend. And we were hanging out after work. So I don't know what you thought that was, but...

Right. That was her way of trying to get her boundary back and also just being defensive, knowing that she did something she shouldn't have, I think. Well, I think whenever, like, there's a moment when Angela catches her with Pam Pong, then Meredith catches the shirt coming up, right? And then this moment when he calls it out, all of those moments are when Pam gets a mirror held up to her behavior. Yeah.

And it makes her uncomfortable because she knows the right thing to do is say, Roy, I'm in love with Jim and we should break up. Yeah. But she's got all of these layers like you do in a relationship and feelings probably of guilt and obligation and all of that all wrapped up into it. So she doesn't know how to make that break. Yeah. And I think this is one of those moments where a mirror is held up and she feels bad and she bristles at it. And then it all ends with that final look between Michael and Jim, the little shrug.

Eh, women. Ah, what are you going to do? Yeah. Two lonely guys. Well, guys, that was the client. That's the client. Thank you so much, Melora Hardin and Tim Meadows, for making this episode that much more special. And I want to say thank you to Brian Baumgartner and Phil Shea and Greg Daniels, all of whom I reached out to for this episode. Thanks, guys, for your help. Thanks, everybody. All right, we'll see you next week. We're going to be chunking performance review your way. Oh, boy. Bye.

Oh, boy. Hey, I'm proud of us for pulling it back together. We were really on the edge at the beginning of this one. I got a little giddy. I was a little punchy. So thanks for sticking it out. That's what she said. Good ending. Thank you.

Thank you for listening to Office Ladies Second Drink. This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf. Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey. Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins and our audio engineer and associate producer is Daniela Silva. Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Wise-Berman and Leah Reese Dennis. Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basil. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.