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#309 ‒ AI in medicine: its potential to revolutionize disease prediction, diagnosis, and outcomes, causes for concern in medicine and beyond, and more | Isaac Kohane, M.D., Ph.D.

2024/7/15
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Peter Attia: 本期节目主要探讨人工智能在医学领域的应用，涵盖其当前和未来的影响，以及相关的伦理和监管问题。讨论内容包括人工智能在疾病预测、诊断和治疗中的潜力，以及其在影像医学、机器人手术和精神卫生保健等方面的应用。同时，节目也探讨了人工智能可能带来的负面影响，例如工作岗位的流失和潜在的伦理风险。 Isaac Kohane: Kohane 医生回顾了自己在人工智能领域的职业生涯，从早期基于规则的系统到如今基于神经网络和大型语言模型的系统。他强调了大数据、深度神经网络和GPU技术在推动人工智能发展中的关键作用，并分享了人工智能在医学影像、疾病早期诊断和预测方面的成功案例，例如视网膜病变的识别。他还讨论了人工智能的伦理和监管挑战，包括其可能造成的误用、工作岗位流失以及潜在的生存风险。此外，他还探讨了人工智能在增强临床医生能力、解决医生短缺问题以及推动机器人手术发展方面的潜力。他认为，人工智能可以帮助提高医疗保健的质量和效率，但同时也需要谨慎地进行监管，以确保其安全和伦理应用。他认为，人工智能的未来在于整合患者数据，改进诊断，并应对数据可及性和法规遵从性方面的挑战。他还预测了人工智能在自主机器人手术和精神卫生保健方面的应用前景。最后，他还探讨了人工智能对医疗行业的影响，包括新的商业模式以及来自既有医疗机构的潜在阻力，以及人工智能在未来十年对医学以外领域的潜在影响，包括人工智能达到与人类相当的创造力和专业水平的可能性，以及数字永生和遗产等问题。 Isaac Kohane: 他详细阐述了人工智能技术的演变过程，从早期基于规则的系统到如今基于神经网络和大型语言模型的系统，并指出人工智能的定义和衡量标准也在不断变化。他认为，大数据、深度神经网络和GPU技术是推动人工智能发展的三大关键因素。他以自己早期使用GPT-4的经验为例，说明了大型语言模型的强大能力，并指出其在医学诊断和治疗中的应用潜力。他还讨论了人工智能的伦理和监管问题，以及其对医疗行业和社会的影响。他认为，人工智能可以帮助提高医疗保健的质量和效率，但同时也需要谨慎地进行监管，以确保其安全和伦理应用。

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Isaac Kohane, a leading physician-scientist, discusses the evolution of AI in medicine, from early iterations to the current third generation. He highlights how AI is transforming medical specialties, enabling early disease diagnosis, and paving the way for advancements like autonomous robotic surgery.
  • AI is revolutionizing image-based medical specialties such as radiology, pathology, and dermatology.
  • AI can recognize retinopathy as accurately as experts, demonstrating its potential for early disease diagnosis.
  • Large language models, like GPT-4, can provide diagnostic insights and assist with tasks like writing prior authorization letters.
  • The integration of AI into healthcare raises ethical concerns and regulatory challenges, especially regarding patient privacy and data security.

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Isaac "Zak" Kohane, a pioneering physician-scientist and chair of the Department of Biomedical Informatics at Harvard Medical School, has authored numerous papers and influential books on artificial intelligence (AI), including The AI Revolution in Medicine: GPT-4 and Beyond. In this episode, Zak explores the evolution of AI, from its early iterations to the current third generation, illuminating how it is transforming medicine today and unlocking astonishing possibilities for the future. He shares insights from his unconventional journey and early interactions with GPT-4, highlighting significant AI advancements in image-based medical specialties, early disease diagnosis, and the potential for autonomous robotic surgery. He also delves into the ethical concerns and regulatory challenges of AI, its potential to augment clinicians, and the broader implications of AI achieving human-like creativity and expertise.

We discuss:

  • Zak’s unconventional journey to becoming a pioneering physician-scientist, and his early interactions with GPT-4 [2:15];
  • The evolution of AI from the earliest versions to today’s neural networks, and the shifting definitions of intelligence over time [8:00];
  • How vast data sets, advanced neural networks, and powerful GPU technology have driven AI from its early limitations to achieving remarkable successes in medicine and other fields [19:00];
  • An AI breakthrough in medicine: the ability to accurately recognize retinopathy [29:00];
  • Third generation AI: how improvements in natural language processing significantly advanced AI capabilities [32:00];
  • AI concerns and regulation: misuse by individuals, military applications, displacement of jobs, and potential existential concerns [37:30];
  • How AI is enhancing image-based medical specialties like radiology [49:15];
  • The use of AI by patients and doctors [55:45];
  • The potential for AI to augment clinicians and address physician shortages [1:02:45];
  • The potential for AI to revolutionize early diagnosis and prediction of diseases: Alzheimer’s disease, CVD, autism, and more [1:08:00];
  • The future of AI in healthcare: integration of patient data, improved diagnostics, and the challenges of data accessibility and regulatory compliance [1:17:00];
  • The future of autonomous robotic surgery [1:25:00];
  • AI and the future of mental health care [1:31:30];
  • How AI may transform and disrupt the medical industry: new business models and potential resistance from established medical institutions [1:34:45];
  • Potential positive and negative impacts of AI outside of medicine over the next decade [1:38:30];
  • The implications of AI achieving a level of creativity and expertise comparable to exceptional human talents [1:42:00];
  • Digital immortality and legacy: the potential to emulate an individual's personality and responses and the ethical questions surrounding it [1:45:45];
  • Parting thoughts [1:50:15]; and
  • More.

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