The migrant crisis, via Chicago
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The Democrats brought their biggest party to Chicago this week. Chicago! It's good to be home! Lot of joy. Chicago's also had a rough few years. The only way Chicago survives, the only way, is we set our laws and we enforce our laws. The South Side is a troubled spot. It's very segregated, predominantly Black. It is chronically, and some say almost criminally, under-resourced. When we ask and say what we want, we are still ignored.

Now, two summers ago, Texas Governor Greg Abbott started busing migrants into Chicago. More came, too, from Denver and Mexico. And people who already felt left behind got very angry. What is this? Like, is this how they're setting up job training for them? Is that a bad thing if they're setting up job training for people? Why are they not setting up job training for us? Immigration may be the Democrats' biggest liability. And a crisis is unfolding just a couple miles away from the DNC. That's coming up next on Today Explained.

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This is Today Explained. I'm Noelle King in Chicago. At least 46,000 newcomers to the city in the last two years. And where are they going? Well, a lot of them are going to the South Side. Ayesha Ray is a developmental psychologist who raised her family on the South Side, and she says it was already hard done by the city. They don't have adequate child care programs for parents, after-school programs. They don't have adequate childcare programs for parents.

They don't have adequate physical activities like basketball groups or Little League. Our kids systematically do not have access to these kinds of things. I think what has happened with the current migration issue, the most recent issues in the last year or so, is that

It really raised for many Black communities the question about, what about us? There are examples where an empty school building was promised to the community and it turned out to be a shelter for migrants. And this created a kind of anger. This dynamic enrages Zoe Lee. She took me to a shuttered hotel on the South Shore that was reopened as a shelter for migrants.

Look at these cars. This is a hotel. Do you know? You're pointing to a nice Jeep. You're pointing to a couple of nice looking sedans. And your assumption is that these are owned by migrants? They are owned by migrants, not they. Your assumption? Do you know? And they get free parking. Do you know that we will get our stuff towed? Tuesday afternoon, I took the L to Woodlawn on the south side. All right, how close are we to King?

We're about like two minutes. What's your name? My name is Caddy. I met Caddy Bender on the train. Now, I know that data shows the flow of migrants to Chicago slowed this year. But if you live in Woodlawn, it's easy to have missed that fact. This is a serious problem. They are getting more benefit than the people who are here hungry and have been on the streets all their life.

And they came in, and the president and the government and the mayor is taking care of them. What if we get off together at King, and then I can talk to you while we're out in the street? There's a little bit less noise? You can walk with me because I'm going to walk to the church. Wait, are you going to? The new beginning down the street. That's where I'm going. Well, while we're walking to the church, you can tell me your story. I would love to hear it.

Katty works part-time doing deliveries for a nail salon. His rent is $570 a month, and he's on his way to the church to pick up some food. Money is very tight. He can't afford much extra anything. Of particular irritation, Katty can't afford to get a lady friend. She's going to need stuff. She needs, like, clothes washed. She needs, like, to get to work.

She needs to hang out with her friend because she's young. All right, so you're not looking for a girlfriend. That part I get. So it's very rare that the government, for example, is just going to hand anybody a check, including a migrant, right? But you're talking about specific resources like housing and food stamps. Are those things that you could use? Yes. I've seen that they wear better clothes than I'm here.

They buying them clothes, giving them a gift card to buy clothes and giving them a gift card to live and giving them a gift card to go shopping and buy groceries and all that. How do you feel about that? I don't think they're right. It takes about 10 minutes to walk to the church. Along the way, Caddy points out evidence of this neighborhood's distress.

There's the street that you can't walk safely because of the gangs. There's the shops. None of them are owned by black people, he says. There's the housing project with the police out front. And then...

We get to the church. It's two stories, tan brick, directly across from the early stages of a multimillion dollar community center that's going to provide job training, have restaurants, have a bank. This is the brainchild of Pastor Corey Brooks. I'm the senior pastor of New Beginnings Church of Chicago.

I'm also the CEO and founder of an organization called Project Hood. It is a non-for-profit that helps people to transform their lives. Pastor is a local celebrity. He's often quoted in conservative media. He's a behave-yourself Republican, a get-a-job Republican, a be-a-man Republican. His political views, as you're going to hear, shape his views on immigration. But so does the reality of the South Side's economy.

Here in this neighborhood where we are right now, there was a McDonald's that was closed, a Walgreens that was closed, the grocery store closed, another grocery store that was closed. And so you see an area that has been hard hit economically and hard hit because of crime as well. I want to ask you to take me back in your mind to the moment when you realized that

hey, there's a lot of new people in Woodlawn that didn't used to be here. I think that moment occurred when, out of nowhere, we had about five Venezuelan and Colombian families come to the church, and some of the women were really broken, crying, and trying to get help. And I felt horrible because here are these individuals who have been

led into our community and then just kind of left to fend for themselves.

So I felt compelled that, listen, we have to do something, even though I'm real, I have a real hard stance on immigration and how I think the border ought to be controlled and helped. What's your stance? My stance is, you know, I believe in, I want people to come to America, but I want them to do it legally. I think we have these open borders, especially under the Harris and Biden leadership that they've just kind of allowed people to just come in and

And I'm totally against that. I'm not for open borders. I'm not for people just being able to come in illegally and have all of this access. So I believe in a controlled border.

So I got off the train about a 10-minute walk from here, and every person I spoke to, I asked about this dynamic. Everybody knew what I was talking about, and I heard a lot of real anger. Well, those individuals who feel that way have a reason, a legitimate reason to feel that way. It's become a joke here how fast individuals get cars, right?

These are individuals who come into the country and they haven't been here a month, but they have a car. And that's not fantasy. That's something that we see in reality. That's actually happening. There's a lot of assistance and a lot of money being spent. And so the pushback I'm hearing is,

I'm a resident of the South Side. I was here before. And you, the city, the state, the federal government, you didn't do that for us. In your mind, is that complaint real and justified and true? That complaint is real and justified. Anytime we have children reading at a 6% or 4% proficiency and our schools are in horrible condition,

And then you bring individuals into our neighborhood and you give them funds that could have gone toward bettering our educational system. That is a serious, serious issue. Have you ever found yourself in a position where a migrant family or a migrant community or an individual has asked for help and you've said no? Absolutely not.

If anyone comes to us needing help, we're going to figure out a way to help them. And especially if we communicate to them that, listen, you're going to have to help yourself as well. This is just not going to be some type of handout type of thing. And they understand that we go all out. You know, there are individuals who have come into our country illegally. And for whatever reason, there are some people who are putting them first.

We have to still roll up our sleeves. We have to still be accountable and we have to still decide that we're going to make life better. We just can't lay down and just say no one is helping me and cry all day. You talk like someone who has been voting Republican for a very long time. I have a lot of conservative principles and I've been voting Republican for a long time. That would be a true statement. How do you feel about Kamala Harris? Well, you know, I think that

Her policies are lacking. I think she has not spelled out enough. And then a lot of people feel as if, too, she was the immigration czar and she's added to the issues and problems that we're facing in the inner cities of America.

The reason migrants came to Chicago was they were bused to Chicago by Texas's Republican Governor Greg Abbott. Do you have any animus toward him? No, I think one of the reasons why they did that is because Chicago called itself a sanctuary city and said, hey, anybody from anywhere can come to Chicago and you'll be okay.

I think that is the bigger problem. That title of being a sanctuary city and opening the door and inviting everyone to come, that's the issue. When you're speaking to your congregation and you know these concerns exist, there are new people coming in, they're getting things that we're not getting, life is really hard. And you know that in that same congregation, there may be some of these people who are recent arrivals to Chicago also listening to what you have to say.

How do you preach about this? - Yeah, well, I just did a series on Job and in that series, I talked about my opening statement. The most profound lesson that I've learned in life is this, life is hard. Whether you're a Venezuelan, a Colombian, a Mexican, or an American, principles don't discriminate. Love your neighbor is one of the greatest principles that has ever existed. And if we abide by that,

Regardless of how we feel about immigration, it will help us to love a lot of people and help a lot of people. Before I left, Pastor Brooks introduced me to a pair from Venezuela who were at the church that day. Now, I don't speak Spanish, but here's what they said. They're happy to be here. They feel welcome here. We haven't had any problems with the Americans, they told me.

It's that they see us interacting with others. When they open up food kitchens, when they hold events, we're there helping. They see that the interaction between us and them is the same as with anyone else. They see we're like other people. We haven't had any kinds of problems here. It's like a union, and we haven't had any problems.

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It's Today Explained. So we heard a lot of claims on the south side of Chicago, and the specifics on what kind of support newcomers are getting are a little hard to find. We know, because the city publishes a nifty cost dashboard, that Chicago spent around $460 million on care for migrants. The DNC actually complicated things a little bit. When the Dems chose Chicago last year, Texas Governor Greg Abbott started sending even more buses here.

Yesterday, on a mostly deserted street outside the main venue, while delegates and some protesters and some pamphleteers strode around the streets, we met this guy. My name is Geraldo Cadava. I'm a history professor at Northwestern University and a professor of Latina and Latino studies. I wrote an article for The New Yorker in early April called Can Chicago Manage Its Migration Crisis? Most people who...

try to pinpoint the start date for Chicago's migrant crisis. We'll talk to you about the summer of 2022. Can you tell us exactly what happened that summer? It was around the time when Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis started

shipping migrants from Latin America, from Florida, the Texas border, to Martha's Vineyard, to New York, and to Chicago. New tonight, Governor Abbott's office announced they are now sending migrants from the border to Chicago. First bus arrived tonight at the city's Union Station. Here in Chicago, I mean, I think there was a way in which me living up in the north side

I could kind of remain oblivious to it for the first couple of months because I think a lot of the migrants were being placed in shelters on the south side primarily. But I think as the numbers increased, the city had to kind of expand the

footprint of migrants across the city. Now they plan to voice their concerns over a park district facility in the Edgewater neighborhood that's been used as a migrant shelter for almost half a year. The group wants neighborhood programming that so many depend on, including children and seniors.

They opened more shelters in different parts of the city. And I think that's when many in Chicago who don't live on the South Side started seeing a lot of migrants. And we started hearing a lot more about African-American communities having

very mixed feelings to say the least about the situation. When I was on the South side yesterday talking to people in those African-American communities, one thing that I heard repeatedly was they put them here. They didn't have to put them on the South side, but they put them in our neighborhoods. Yes. It sounds like that is also your understanding. It is. It is. I mean, it's,

For a lot of different reasons, I think. I don't think it's just a desire of the city to impose migrants to kind of create a conflict in the neighborhood. But the way it was explained to me was that a lot of it stemmed from the fact that 10, 12 years ago, Mayor Rahm Emanuel closed many high schools in the city. And many of those high schools were on the South Side.

This is all they ever know for all the years of their life of being in school. And you're going to take that away from them? Whoever. I want him to get down here and I want him to come and have a meeting with us.

And so when the city was thinking about what vacant spaces do we have available to us, a lot of the vacant spaces they had available were on the South Side. I wonder if you can walk us through the process of what happens when an undocumented immigrant arrives in Chicago. Well, they come in the buses or in a plane. I mean, O'Hare was also a kind of landing point for them as well. And so they

would ostensibly use the shelter as a temporary residence while they looked for jobs, got their kids settled in schools. But for many of them, the kind of very temporary stays turned into longer stays. And that's when we started reading reports about unsafe places

conditions or unsanitary conditions, the outbreak of various illnesses or, you know, the lack of good sources of water or showers, those sorts of things. Not enough supplies, not great amount of food, very little shower capability, toilets, things like that. The basics are really very, are missing here. It's been heartbreaking. When you were doing your reporting for The New Yorker on the South Side, did you hear sentiments like,

They have nicer clothes than us. The city is giving them money and food stamps. They have new cars. I heard those things and more. I mean, I heard that they were, you know, all getting $9,000 as soon as they arrived in the city.

And buying homes. I mean, I heard that and I was like, well, what kind of home can you buy for $9,000? I don't know. But there was certainly the sense that resources were flowing to the migrants that could be going to...

communities in Chicago that have been asking for greater resources for a long time. When they talked about $9,000, new shoes, clothes, houses, in the case of the person I talked to, I just heard it more as an expression of their frustration that they had been forgotten. To what extent then are new migrants, so it's been two years since the buses first came, to what extent are they integrated into the formal economy? And to what extent are they

in more of the gray economy, working under the table, selling things on the street. I think it's a full range. You know, I talked to people who did find something that sounded more like stable work, either cleaning houses, working in a restaurant, things like that. But then, you know, you also just see throughout the city, families basically asking for handouts.

Can you talk about the case for these people being here, the case for the necessity of people being here? Yeah, totally. You know, Chicago has lost population. You know, the black population in Chicago has declined. Many black people are moving either to the suburbs or even back to the south, a kind of reverse great migration. And so I've heard the argument that we need migrants to do things

the work that had been done by people who'd left the city. I think Chicago, like New York, you know, has the advantage for migrants of having big Latino communities, you know, I mean, for migrants, it's a kind of welcoming place to come to because they can

speak Spanish easily, they can find grocery stores easily that sell the things that they're looking for, you know. So they may benefit the city. And on the flip side of that, or maybe adjacent to that, I want you to just consider, knowing what you know, the idea that many people are coming here to get nice shoes and nice clothes.

Yeah, sure. And food stamps. Yeah, sure. I mean, here I will put on my kind of academic hat a little bit and just say that that is a very old idea about migrants coming to the United States to kind of leech off of the United States and take our resources. But I think that immigrant rights organizations have tried to respond by talking about the many, many contributions that immigrants

make to the United States in particular communities. I mean, I just heard the president of the United Farm Workers talking this morning about how, you know, all of you sitting in this room probably aren't going to need a lawyer or a doctor today, but you will need to eat three times today. And so you benefit from a migrant being here more often than you benefit from the services of a lawyer or a doctor or something like that.

One thing I found really interesting is I've given talks about Latino conservatism and the work that I'm doing in the field of Latino history. I give talks at universities where a lot of the students are

the sons or daughters of immigrants and they always want to ask this question at the end about like, you know, how should I feel about this? Because for the first time I feel like my family is being directly impacted by the presence of other migrants because well, they say that their parents court dates are

for legalization, naturalization, temporary work status, whatever. Their families' court cases have been delayed because the courts have been inundated with these new cases to process. And so it was unfamiliar to me to hear young Latinas and Latinos feel very conflicted about immigration because...

You know, from having taught Latino history for 15 or 16 years, I mean, young Latinos, college students, they've kind of uniformly been on the side of immigrant rights and they feel more conflicted about it now because it's impacting their families directly.

Professor Geraldo Cadava. Avishai Artsy produced today's show. Hadi Mouagdi produced and reported. Miranda Kennedy edited. Laura Bullard fact-checked. Patrick Boyd and Rob Byers engineered. Thanks to Amina El-Sadi in Washington. Thanks in Chicago to Brian Alexander, Andre Smith, Dylan Sharkey, Amy Hilato, and Daniel Borzutski. Tomorrow, the biggest speech of Kamala Harris' life. Sean and I will be in your ears with analysis. I'm Noelle King in Chicago. It's Today Explained.

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