#2615 RHOC S18E18 Part Two: Lawyer & Disorder
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Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Happens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

So now it's like a little break and everything, and it's funny. And then Heather's like, guess what? Who wants a relatable Heather Dubrow moment? I actually pooped this morning. I was so excited. Richard Marks didn't appreciate that I did it on his lap. But you know what? He's basically a toilet as far as I'm concerned. I love even when Heather tries to act like she's human. I'm sorry. I just don't believe it. I don't believe anything has ever come out of that.

I just don't believe it. I think like maybe she blows her nose and some gravel comes out sometimes, but I do not for one second believe that actual poop ever came out of there. Emily's like, you know, whenever I travel to New York, I get constipated. Oh, Shannon gave me this stuff called colon max. And I immediately threw it out. But if you want it, you should get it.

Well, wasn't Shannon selling colon enemas or enemas something last season? Remember when she made Jen do one in the bathroom to Hazel? Yeah. What happened to that?

Yeah, I don't know. Can't believe it didn't take off. Dr. Moon's ass blaster. Do you want to blast your ass to the moon? Take Dr. Moon's ass blaster. Jen Pedranti loved it. Hello, everyone. I'm back on the set. We have fixed the brass shelf. The brass shelf has been fixed. And I now am looking more like Lady Bird Johnson than ever before. So, I duct tape them down. I duct tape my brass shelf.

So now we start over again. And then Heather's like, I was telling them about Colin Max. And Shannon says, I'm about to poop right now. And he's like, great. So he starts back up and he's like, welcome back. Shannon's going to poop. What?

What? Wacky Shannon is back, everyone. Are you in peril? No, I'm going to be fine. I have multiple Spanx on, and so it's just too difficult of a maneuver right now. Plus, I'm pretty sure I have some psychic debris kind of working as a cork, if you know what I'm saying. So then we talk about... Now, this season... Oh, God. Then we move on to the Katie segment. Oh, Jesus. Here we go. Yeah, here we go. So...

Katie's boring montage. Let's face it. It was boring. So then we get to the fighting with Heather and all that. So then let's see. What are the first questions? So before we get into that, Katie, I want to hear about your journey attempting to reconnect with your mother. So she didn't go to Korea because her father-in-law was ill and then ultimately passed away. So that's going to be coming up like next month, maybe for the camera. Who knows? That would actually be nice. I would actually like to see that.

And then it's like, okay. And you and Tamara both have kids who live away from you. So why did your son, Max ultimately decide to stay in Atlanta with your ex colon Max, colon Max. I do use it. I'm a human. I'm a, I'm a regular person. Colon Max. Is that what we're talking about? Sorry. I wasn't really listening. Cause it was a Katie segment. She says he didn't want to leave the school and friends and stuff like that. And she still sees him for Thanksgiving and Christmas every break. And she goes there once a month to see him.

So her other son wasn't old enough to shoot and the husband the ex wouldn't sign off on him being there Whatever, you know small talk. So then she's like wait. I just want to go right? Yeah, cuz she's mentioning that she her other son is in San Diego and He was in he was living in San Diego, etc. Whatever. It's like it's like he said just like I get to know Katie moment or whatever and everything is fine and

And Gina's like, so he's still there? And she's like, no, now he's full-time in Orange County. So then Gina, fucking Gina, just when you think she's having a good moment, she's like,

She's had, she's, she's overall had, despite a rough start, a pretty good season. And then Gina out of nowhere is like, you know what? When I first met you, you told me, you reached out to me saying you need my help as a real estate agent. And then you lied to me about owning your home in San Diego. I was like, really? Are we going back to this again? Everyone lies to Gina, the realtor. That's, that's the story of the season.

It's just so weird. And I'm not saying these people aren't lying to her, but it's just so weird that Gina is coming and using everybody's real estate applications against them. It's just so bizarre. Who wants to do business with Gina after seeing how she treats people on TV over business? It's bizarre. It's extremely unprofessional. And especially to blindside her at the reunion. They're all deciding that they're going to blindside Katie now to go be Heather Minions as fucking usual. She's

Gina's always there at the end of the day to carry fucking Heather's water every single season. And here she is again doing it. And you're going to start with real estate bashing? Don't they have enough else? They're about to mommy shame her, adoption shame her. Everything shame her. I mean, everything. They're about to drag this woman completely down.

and you need to bring this up to gina sit the down gina's an too you know gina like you said gina has two good seconds and then reminds you you know people don't change i know it just is more upset about this stupid fringe situation that didn't even happen on the show than she is about tamra treating shannon like an like you know it's like like

That whole last Tamara thing that we watched, Gina's like, yeah, well, Tamara, don't you think you should be nicer? But here it's like, you told me you own that house instead. You didn't tell me that you were leasing to own it. And she's angry. She's so angry right now. I'm like, I'm actually literally frothing at the mouth. I just had a big bubble of saliva just coat my lips. I'm like, Gina is making me foam at the mouth right now. I'm going rabid because she makes me so annoyed. Yeah.

So, yeah, she, so Katie's like, no, I didn't lie to you. We did, we did a lease to own and they wanted two years of rental income. So that's the situation that we have now. Am I going to say that I understand what the fuck Katie's talking about? Not really, but no matter what, maybe she did lie. I don't even know what she did. I just think that's such a weird thing to bring up and use against somebody on TV. Like,

It's bizarre. And why are you bringing it up now? There may also be a broader context to this that I don't understand. Then Emily jumps in. This is where Emily really starts to go downhill for me, this reunion. Because she started off well where she was saying to Tamara, you shouldn't have been bullying Shannon into saying that she's an alcoholic. What do you expect to get out of that? I'm like, oh, Emily, good.

But now Emily just jumps in and goes, I asked you directly if you own this home. I'm like, what? Why are you coming in hot now? This is already a stupid argument between Gina and Katie. And now you're jumping in because you and Gina have clearly been talking about this and pissed about this and have decided this is what you're going to use to take Katie down.

And Emily's also yelling, by the way. I have to point out. She's literally yelling across the room and she's pointing and she's shaking her arm and she's like pointing at her. And she's like, I know, but she asked you directly if you own it. And Gina goes, do you own a home? Well, she showed me the text and you said yes, but you don't own the home. And Gina's like, yeah, that bothers me. And then you make a... And then we see Katie's Instagram story where she...

is feeding her dogs outside with a glass of wine. And she put a caption that says, "I love feeding my dogs at my home in Orange County."

And she did that because Emily went on, guess where? Where else? Fucking Jeff Lewis and said, I thought that she moved. Like she didn't even, she was basically saying this girl doesn't even live in Orange County. She lives in San Diego or something, you know, which they do sometimes. Like she's not even on there. Why is she even on this show? But like, hello, Heather Dubrow lives in Los Angeles and basically rents out a

in a country club in Newport Beach so that we should have some excuse to be on this show. So where's the energy for Heather on this, right? So Katie is like, but I didn't move out of Orange County. But you...

you, but you live in a different house. So it's not like I was wrong. She was like, well, I heard that you said I moved to San Diego and I did not move to San Diego, but you said in an interview that you went back to San Diego. Are people not allowed to leave the geographic realm of, of Orange County for the duration of their time? What do we all have? Ankle bracelets. You've been in the innocence project for five minutes, girl. God,

Is this a federal crime? Did she go across state lines except in the county version? I mean, what's going on here? And she's like, I went back for two months because my father-in-law was dying. Oh, you went back for a couple of months. Two months because his hospital was three miles from our house there. Oh, and then you went back to Orange County and you live in a different house than you used to live in when you were filming. And then you get mad and you make an Instagram. Who cares if she moved? People on this show move every fucking season. What is your problem? Yeah, we're, Tamra,

has a new house every single year. What is... Tamara lives in Big Bear now. She moved back to shoot this show. Everybody knows it. Why are you acting like this is such a fucking sin? And on top of that, this is like...

all over something that katie said to gina off camera not during the season about yeah i own the house and they're acting like this is the biggest crime that we've seen all year long so emily is like when i was actually right you did move you don't live in the same house and you did go to san diego for a while it's like congratulations she also went to starbucks did you did you also predict that as well because you seem to be really on a tear here fucking weirdo i'm a lawyer

And by the way, you better not repeat that because it's copyrighted. So Katie's like, yes, you're totally right about that. You're very right. Well, I just think there's a lot of inconsistency and things that don't get up with some of the stuff you say. Yeah, look who's talking. You want to start going over your fucking ex's bullshit that we've been going around for three years that no one has brought to you on camera and made you answer for? Not one single person. Yeah, inconsistencies. Get up.

Yeah, like exactly. Like you're saying one part of the season that Travis had to go because you're earning enough money to get to provide gifts for your kids, but not enough to provide gifts for all the kids. So he has to leave the house. Now it's about the ex. Like talk about things that aren't really clear and don't make sense. And talk about she's already moved back in with Travis. I heard like that's not that was just for storyline that whole time. She's so full of shit. So then and by the way, allegedly, this is all just shit I'm reading on the Internet.

But, you know, it's like Jeff Lewis. Yeah, no kidding. But this is just inconsistencies, you know, and like even Jen is questioned it. Right, Jen. And Jen's like, well, look, there's so many stories. And here's the thing. You have to ask her because she does. She has a story and she has an explanation for everything. And you know what? I love explanations.

I just love them. I collect them. I say, hey, what was the deal with that? And then I find out it was just a flaccid penis and it wasn't sent to all of his friends. It was just sent to all of the hostesses of the Nobu's around the tri-state area.

as long as that photo did not touch my bulls and forks and knives. So then Gina's like, so Gina's like, so you believe all of her explanations? And she's like, do I have a reason not to? To be fair, Jen does seem to really believe things on face value. Yeah, Jen'll believe anything.

You know what I mean? - Jen may not be Katie's best character witness. So Heather's like, "If I look you up, there's not a hundred stories online." And was like, "Yeah, there's nothing." Then me, I guess she was saying like, if she looks up everyone on the cast, there's no stories. She's like, "Maybe for me, there's a story that Terry cheats on me." But that's basically it. And Katie has a million different stories going on, which actually I don't think is true. - Gee, I wonder why. She does, but gee, I wonder why, Heather.

Katie only has two main stories, which get addressed both here. The golf, the shots, and then the stuff with this police incident. That's just two stories. That's just two, you know? Yeah. And it is kind of a coincidence that Katie has all these weird stories out about her. And I don't think it is a coincidence at all. I think these are hateful cast members putting stories in the blogs. Yeah.

And they're all by one author, too, which is super interesting. Ryan something. And I was like, hmm, I wonder if he knows Heather because that's weird. So then, because, you know, I totally 100%, just in case I sound like I'm hinting around, I totally 100% believe this is all Heather torturing her.

So then, um, we see, uh, real, real housewives of Orange County headline, Katie Janela due for $5 million over alleged or sued for over $5 million over alleged stolen business idea. So he asked about the tee shots and she was like, Oh, I was actually dismissed from that case. It was my friend who's a business partner who probably heard about it on the golf course from somebody else. And then, um,

then we see the next thing. And Heather's just like, well, there's just so many hinky stories. I mean, Sutton texted me last week and said to me, she used me. And Kitty says, and I was like, wow, Sutton's making it on here again. And even Sutton's going to come on and carry some water for fucking Heather.

And Katie's like, I used her. And Heather's like, yes, she came to my house in Augusta and she was going, and she was going to bring all these high level golfers. I'm talking. No one showed up and she didn't pay the photographer and she used me to promote her business.

And we see text from Sutton and Sutton's text is like, this is nuts. This is what she did at my house in Augusta! Three exclamation points because I'm that angry. Never paid for the photographer. Didn't bring any golfers. Only used my house for promo. Crazy.

But I did offer to pay her even the catering. I'm just telling you what Sutton said. And then Andy's like, well, Christine from that character that Julia Louis-Dreyfus played after Seinfeld ended says, how could I be out of other Christine's already? Uh,

says, hey, what's a story about getting snubbed by Heather at Sutton's Christmas party? And Heather's like, oh, this is good. Because there are three different stories. And the first story is that I saw you in a driveway and I looked at you evilly. She goes, no, I didn't see you in the driveway. My turn. My turn to speak. I'm speaking now. But I'm correcting you. I'm speaking now. And then I looked away and I snubbed you. And the second story was that I was at the bar. I'm talking to you. And that is the story.

that that's the story that story it's me that's the one okay well you know she was there with denise richards and camille grammar but i never even saw camille at that party that story number two meanwhile camille was probably like talking to heather like hi heather it's me camille hi yeah she's she's camille yeah she's camille oh mauricio oh thank you so much who's camille can you tell me who camille is

Camille is this lady, she used to be married to Frasier, and then he left her for some flight attendant or something. And now he posts pictures really hairily in his underwear. In his underwear, and it's so fun and so upsetting. I don't even know what Camille Grammar is! And Katie is like, she was standing right next to you.

I'm pretty sure that was just one of those strange sculptures of a dog butler. No, it was Camille. I put my drink on the tray. No, you balanced it on Camille's head and

She was pretty good at it because she used to be a dancer. I don't think you got that right, Katie. Nope. Yeah, I wouldn't believe that. I've seen Camille dance. There's no balancing on any heads. That's for sure. I'm still speaking. And story three was that we were in a group of people and your name was said and I heard it.

Okay, well, listen, I didn't tell... I am still not done. I heard your name and I didn't respond and everyone standing there thought it was weird. Let me just tell you something. Oh my God. My turn. When someone is coming into this group, we all want to have friends. Only a moron would do that. And I am not a moron. I am an actress who lives next to Drake.

I don't know how it devolved into these three separate stories, but let me tell you something. Even if there are three stories, I would know all my lines in each single one of them.

I didn't tell three separate stories, but I promise you, had I known who you were, I would have said hi. And Gina's like, yeah. As she leans forward into Katie. Hi. Like the scariest version of saying hi. Yeah, your friendly neighborhood Heather. Jesus Christ. I just saw you out on lawns to terrify children. Jesus Christ. So Gina's like, it would have been in the best interest to say hello. Oh, shut up, you ass kisser. Jesus Christ. Yeah.

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All right. Well, Christine from Aguilera, they both are missing their A's. So they say, well, we really can't think of any. No one person runs all the paparazzi in LA. Is it possible that your friend meant, yes, I look like it looked like paparazzi versus having proof that Heather actually hired a photographer?

So, okay, Katie, listen, now up to this point, I'm really trying to stand for Katie, right? Okay. So now he's, she goes, oh, well, we had a phone conversation after that text and he called me and said, why do you want to know? And I said, I saw it on Tik TOK and it was funny. And, and he's like, wait a minute, this,

And Katie's like, oh, no, you didn't see it on your TikTok because you told Gina something different. Yeah, you didn't see it on TikTok. You didn't see it on TikTok. No, it came up on my For You page and I screenshotted the TikTok and sent it to him. And that's what you see. No, no, you know, you never said you said it was Instagram. It was Instagram. She's lying, everyone. She's using the wrong platform. She's full of lies. Thank you. Sorry.

Yeah, but the reason you were asking wasn't because it was on a TikTok feed. And Katie's like, he said it wasn't Heather. It was someone close to her. Okay, so now he said it wasn't Heather. Okay, so now you're just caught. Now there's nothing else I could do to help you. What the fuck? I want to be clear. I didn't call the paparazzi. I didn't pass a note in biology to someone. I am speaking. I didn't wink at anybody.

My son did. It's like, oh, okay. So then Katie's like, got it. So she's like, nobody notified the paparazzi. Okay. Well, then just the random paparazzi took pictures of this woman that nobody gives a shit about and spread it literally everywhere. Okay. That's fine. Maybe it was a really slow, sad day over there. I don't know.

I don't know why you were trying to look into things about me months before you met me. I don't care what you saw on TikTok. But of course, Heather's whole thing of like months before you met me is also like, well, her version is that you snubbed her. So she'd actually met you. You just didn't pay any attention to her. So of course she's like, who is this bitch? I mean, I know her from TV. I want to look into this, you know, but Heather acting like, I can't believe you would look into things like this.

into things about me. Now, excuse me while I spend the rest of the episode talking about all the articles that I read about you. So then, um, also when she says, tick tock, she's like, I don't care what you heard on tick tock. She does like an air quote. And so, uh, Katie's like, okay, well me being very new, um,

Wait, what are we talking about now? Now they're talking about Gina and Heather. It's weird. I was very interested in meeting you. I love fans. And nothing about you adds up. I think there is a story for everything. I don't know. I think you have absolutely no credibility. And you know I mean business because I said every single syllable in that sentence. So Katie's like, okay. And then she just turns to Gina and says, I just want to apologize to you for saying I think it was a setup.

with you because Tamara and I had that conversation. And then we see a flashback to Tamara and Katie talking about Gina and Heather and Tamara's going, Gina knew it would not be funny. You got set up. You got set up. You got set up to do Gina's dirty work. And then we come back and Katie's like, and me being brand new, hearing her say that to me, I was like, do you really think that? Do you think that's possible? And Heather's like, oh, so now it's Tamara's fault. Yeah.

Yeah, it's you, Tamara. It's your fault. And everyone's like, oh, classic. But Tamara was the one who threw Katie under the bus in an effort to... In this battle between her and Shannon. Don't you... Because remember, Tamara was in Katie's ear. Like, you got set up. You got set up. You know what? She said this. And you got set up. You got set up. But then the moment... Let's see. If I can remember, it was in London. There was a moment where then Tamara decided...

Oh, because Katie is friends with Jen. So when Jen yelled at Tamara, then Tamara had to basically now go after Katie because she's an ally of Jen. So all of a sudden she was like, you know what? I'm starting to realize that Katie did start this shit. She wasn't set up. She made me think she was set up, but she did start this shit. So Katie's just like, I think it's turnabout's fair play. Katie's like, you threw me under the bus? Fine, I'm going to throw you under the bus.

So then, you know, Katie's like, I was shocked. And Tamara's like, but see, I only said that because of the things you were telling me. And she goes, oh, yeah, yeah. It was just the whole situation. And Tamara's like, well, she thought Gina told you to bring it up. And Katie's like, and then you and I had that conversation the night before the golf event. And we talked about it. And I said, I really want to tell woman to woman.

I just didn't want it to become this whole group thing, but you did make it a whole group. I am talking thing first. And then you said the bar and I said the bar, why did you tell everybody? And that was like, well, that was on purpose. Yeah. This is why it's hard for me. And I feel bad for me. And Katie is like, it was just, it was too far, too far gone by that. I mean, I will say,

It was Katie's mistake that she had told everyone. She should, it's either like, you either come in and you just go full-throated with this information and go after Heather, or you just keep it to yourself. But she was sort of like, told people, and then it sort of got around, and she's like, wow, I guess it's become a whole group thing. It's like, yeah, that is sort of on you, Katie.

Well, and she was doing other season news too, right? She's like, I'm going to be on the show. I'm going to come for Heather. And I'll bet she was calling the paparazzi. That's going to be my thing. I'm going to come for Heather, and it's going to be about paparazzi. It's like she's a little girl who's getting her first chance. She's like, I'm going to do this. And it just...

It just failed. It was like a huge, huge failure. It's something we've already heard. No one cares about it. People assume they all call the paparazzi on themselves anyway. It was just a failure from the beginning. Sorry, I thought you were done, so I started to...

I started to go in on a new, fresh new Heather. I'm literally never done. I am speaking. No, me still me. By the way. How about this? Why do you care? Aside from the fact that I am an established television actress.

She was just like, whatever. Heather, I just didn't think it would be this would be so rattling. And she goes, oh, you did. You wanted it to. She goes, no. I mean, don't put words in my mouth. This is your thing. Falsely accusing people is kind of your thing. I get it. Okay. This is where it's like.

You've already won this. Katie looks really stupid. You've already come in with her. You made her look like a total jackass and a total liar. Just end it. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like this is where we enter the inhumane punishment section of the reunion.

Yeah. So now they're like, what's, Shannon's like, wait, wait, wait, what, what, who else has, who else has been falsely accused? Who was it? Who was it? What? I thought the only person who was making false accusations was that slut Alexis Bellino. Oh,

Sorry, sorry. I'm getting ahead of myself. So Emily is like, well, she, Katie falsely accused someone and he ended up going to prison. Hashtag the Innocence Project. Katie's like, he didn't go to prison. Can I just tell the story? He went to jail. So you got to love Emily doesn't know the difference between prison and jail. Okay. Miss lawyer, Innocence Project.

So Emily's like, well, Katie's like, I want to tell the story. And Emily's like, well, if you tell the story, I don't know if we believe you telling the story. I'm like, it's her fucking story to tell. And you guys have all been in this rodeo for a few years now. And you all know that maybe what gets printed on radar online is not the most factually accurate. And the fact that you don't even want to hear it come right out of the horse's mouth and you'd rather trust the

Yeah. And Emily's like, well, I don't know if we believe you. And Heather goes, we've read this story. Yeah. Okay, guys. So when anything comes up about you, you're just going to say, oh, well, we believe bloggers now. Which is like your next thing to say. Freaking hypocrites. So then Katie's like, okay. So then Emily's like, well, I don't know if we believe you.

So the kids and I were driving in Marietta, Georgia on a four lane road. And a man goes and Andy says, when? And she was like 10 years ago. So this is by the way, 10 year old teeth that these ladies are trying to go for.

And so she says that a man was swerving into their lane with his window down yelling, fuck you, bitch. And she had three kids in the back of her car and they were little. So they pulled over to the side of the road to let him pass. And he went right in front of her and started screaming at her. So she called the police and the police said, can you leave? And then she put her car in reverse and he ran to the back of her car, started filming her and her children and the children are screaming, crying. And the kids remember that day. It was just so terrifying. Um,

And Heather's like, well, that's not the story the police tell. Which is already like, really, Heather? So Katie's like, yes, well, they tell a one-sided story. And Emily goes, the police do! Again, to your point, The Innocent Project. So Andy's like...

Look, the point is that the system doesn't always work for people, okay? And Emily should know that. And here Emily's like, shocked, shocked. So Andy's like, I want to hear the rest of the story. So Katie's basically saying that the guy wouldn't let her leave. Oh yeah, well, she's really credible. I'm like, I could not believe the way Heather was totally dismissing this account by Katie.

And Katie says, yeah, he runs in front of the car when she tried to leave and the police came in and they're like, calm down, calm down. And if you won't come down, we'll tase you. And so then the guy was like, fuck you, fuck the police. So they tased him. He went to jail and she was like, I had nothing to do with him going to jail. He goes, well, that's not how the police tell the story. The police tell a story that you followed the guy home. She's like, I would never follow anyone home. You guys have...

been on a show with me for nine months now. You see how boring I am. Why would I ever do anything rageful? I've had so many opportunities with you ladies already, and I haven't taken them up. Oh, really? So the police are lying, are they? And Andy's like, well, how do you know what the police said anyway, Heather? And she goes, because there are statements in that article. And then we see the headline from In Touch, and Katie Janela accused of calling the police to report fake crime causing wrongful arrest.

And she's like, well, it tells one side from everybody. Because if you read the police report, the statement I gave to the Copp County police, it's a lot different. It's different. And Heather's like, well, she was driving the car. She was texting children with children in her car. And this guy saw her and was triggered because a family member had been killed by driving.

And so she saw they saw a texting person and told her to stop. And she was outraged and followed. Well, that's bullshit. And I love that she's taking the story of some rando guy who's like just because he knows someone that died from texting and driving is screaming at someone and cursing at a mother with three kids in her car in public on the roads.

Someone is triggered because they have a family member who was killed by distracted driving, so they were going to have a road rage moment instead. But you know what's dangerous? Texting while driving. Oh, okay. So we're okay with the person who's having road rage.

Got it. So Katie's like, I don't know where he lives. Why would I follow someone home with my three young kids in the back? She was, well, she pulled him in his driveway, came out and she was yelling at him. He filmed her. She lit his house on fire. I don't think you know about that part. She lit his house on fire and then she doxed him all over Reddit. And then on top of that, she had him deported out of the country. And then when he finally got back into the country, she kicked him in the balls. How rude is this woman?

So she's like, and then they took him to jail in front of his neighbors, that poor man. Katie's like, I don't remember there being neighbors. Well, then they went to jail and they were in prison and they realized that Katie was the aggressor, not him. And he was released. No, sometimes they take people to jail and they realize that both people were at fault. They let somebody out of prison.

the jail, Heather. So Katie's like, well, I couldn't even tell my side. I didn't even get to go to court because they served my ex-husband.

And they're like, what? And she goes, yeah, they went to his house because that was my address at the time on my license or whatever. And my lawyer said, did you know you had the state? And I said, no, I didn't show up because I didn't know about the date. So immediately I was found guilty. And at the time I was literally homeless with three kids. Like I had nowhere to go. And she starts crying. And so they served her ex-husband. Oh, this is so fucking sad. It sounds like she was in like a...

It's so sad. It sounds like she was in a shelter because she said she was in a facility and she didn't want to say its name or anything. But it sounds like she was probably in a safe home or whatever the proper name is for it. And so the ex-husband is the one who gets served. And of course, he's a dick and he doesn't tell her. Luckily, he actually has no communication with her. But the downside is that he has no communication with her. And so then she has no idea that this happens.

And then you've got Gina over here. Yes, and you've got Gina over here going, they can't serve your ex-husband. They have to serve you. And Shanna said, well, it's just the address. And Katie's like, they left it at the address on my license. And Gina's like, I don't think they can do that. Okay, Gina. Okay, thanks. Thanks, Gina. Thanks for all your work here as an expert on Georgia laws. So we've got now this woman who was in a shelter, right?

And assumedly, she was in a shelter because of some not great stuff going on in her marriage with her three kids trying to outrun a crazy person on the road. Now, does that mean she had road rage? I don't know. Maybe she did. Who fucking knows? I mean, what I know is I see a woman under extreme duress here, and this cast is just laughing and mocking her while she's talking. Well, just using it.

Totally unsympathetic. Totally unsympathetic to what sounds like a very scary ordeal. Like, you know, they always say there's one side, there's the other side, her side, his side, and then the truth. So maybe Katie was texting while driving, okay? But it sounds like this person had road rage. And whatever it is, it sounds like a fucked up situation. And it just seems like, you know...

This is not an innocent until proven guilty situation with these women. This is a, we don't believe anything you say. Because you lied about, you weren't clear about your intentions with a home in San Diego, nothing you say actually has any credibility. So we're not going to choose to believe this very scary and harrowing story that we can see all over your face, that this is so disturbing to you and it traumatized your family. But because you said you went to San Diego for a few weeks and didn't tell us, we don't believe you.

Well, and they're also kind of forcing her to admit that she was doing – she was in the shelter and she had this horrible time with her children where she's living out of her car and all this other shit on national TV, which her kids are going to see. I mean, they're just vile fucking cows. And then Heather going – and then Emily. Emily just is the – I mean, Emily – I don't know. I'm even losing – especially after going after Shannon for investigating people.

You know, and then they're saying later when Andy calls him on it, he's like, you're investigating. No, it was just an article. Well, so was Gina's thing. Gina's thing was all over the blog about pushing that man down the stairs. We all read it. And now you guys are acting like, oh, well, we can do it because it was in the blogs. You fucking hypocrites. Do you even hear yourselves?

monster and she's like do you see i feel like it's a pattern with you that every time you get called out on something there's an excuse for everything i'm like this is it is such a shitty take by emily such as and it really like i'm so glad you brought the innocent project because i did not even think about that but especially in the context of that you know here is a

cause that is about helping people who've been falsely incarcerated get out of jail because no one listened to their side or people were quick to judge or there was corruption in the system and they got screwed. And here she is advocating for that.

And yet she is coming on so hard to Katie. Now, if somehow it comes out that Katie is that Katie did lie in the situation or whatever, then we can roast her then. But for right now, like this literally don't even care because it's none of, it's none of Emily's fucking business to bring it on the show. It's none of her business. Yeah. The point is that they don't give her, they're not giving like, consider that they all are shady and they all are murky about details when it comes to their lives. Um,

that they are roasting Katie and holding her to a higher standard. I don't know. I think it's shitty. Especially Emily saying, oh yeah, you know what? All I hear from your excuses. When the second Emily got called out on something this year, what did she do? It's because my mom traumatized me. Yeah, that's exactly right. Like I only shamed you for how much money you spend because my mom didn't come home for lunch. Yeah.

My God, this lady sucks, man. So then Andy's like, well, Heather, you know, so Shannon's like, oh, well, there's a lot of investigation here because I don't know anything about this. And Shannon, Heather's like, well, it's all over the Internet. It's everywhere. We're not investigating. And this is where Andy starts laughing. He's like, but you started the day by saying I don't want to be in an environment where you dig stuff up on other people. And the only people I want questions from are named Christine.

so and two hours earlier we see heather saying like no i don't just flaps her hand like i don't want to dig stuff up today let's not dig things up i'm gonna flap my hand to the left and to the right let's swat an imaginary fly let's not dig things up and now she's like well it's all over the internet by the way this is not all over the internet this is this is not scanned of all like yes it's

It's out there on the internet. And yes, there are articles. But you had to really... First of all, this came out months ago. And the fact that it's still present in your head means that you still have to go do some searching, find the article, find all the details. You have to read all that stuff. You have to memorize all the beats of that story. So to me, maybe you didn't dig it up, but you certainly spent a lot of energy around this article.

And Emily is like, well, you know, it's in public domain. We're flipping through Instagram. And Heather's like, what I'm saying is I'm not calling. Wait a second. I'm sorry.

Did Emily literally just say, you know, well, if it's in the public domain and you're flipping through Instagram and you see it, like, didn't she just roast Katie for saying she found something on her TikTok for you page? Yeah. Well, she's saying that Katie was lying about that. And she told Gina she originally heard that from somewhere else, not the TikTok. But now that she now she's using TikTok as an excuse or something. I don't know. So.

So then Heather's like, the point is I don't call paparazzi. It's like, okay, wow. All of this just because someone called Heather out on some stupid little thing that we all believe 100% that she did. And even if you didn't call the paparazzi, you would. You narcissist. You're completely that type of personality. And so is her husband. He bragged about it on TV. You probably all are on these shows.

It's like the smallest, most petty thing. And then you just drag the woman to the lowest basest. Oh, and it's not done yet. So it's not the lowest yet. They go even lower. They go even lower in a second. But shame on you, man. Gross. I just have a question. I saw an article and I read it. And it was about when you were first divorced and you didn't have physical or legal custody of your children. And we see a headline.

And Emily's like, I don't understand how someone like that has, how something like that happens because here in California for you to lose both physical legal, you have to be unfit or sign papers and say, I don't want anything to do with my kids. I'm so mad at Emily for, for like really implying that Katie is the, is the, is the fucked up one in this situation. I know someone right now. I know someone who is going through a very bitter situation and the guy has

has money and he's been able to paint her as like someone who's out of her mind and like a wackadoodle and i'm so i'm sorry but like men have so much power in these situations and and that when you are like men in the court like they it's they really control a lot of the narrative and i think we've seen it a lot and i'm sure there are many people in our audience who are like

I've been there too. I mean, like where, where women are painted as being unfit, they're the hysterical, they're incapable, they're not trustworthy, whatever, whatever, whatever. Like, this is something that happens all the time and it's so fucked up and it's not fair. And Emily should know this. And the fact that Emily is like, well, the court said, well, you lost your rights. So I guess that means that you were the one who was bad. You were a bad mom. Probably Emily, who is sensitive, sensitive. Oh,

over the implication that she drummed up that anyone was saying she was a bad mom because her kids were blabbing. And now she's going to imply here on this couch

That Katie is a bad mom because the court took away her kids. It's so fucked up. Yeah, when the biggest rule on these shows is don't bring the children into it and you start sobbing and crying and everybody makes a huge drama and Heather's crying and everyone's crying because they had the nerve to bring their children into it. To go to this level and call someone out, this is worse than we've seen ever.

somebody do on this show to say you lost your custody why would you lose custody that only happens when it's your fucking fault in california you must be a disgusting fucking woman to lose custody and you're a family attorney and like you must she must have dealt with this before

Especially as a family attorney. Yes, you're correct, actually. And honestly, when you have a situation where there are many women, again, because I know one right now. I'm friends with one of them. But when you have a situation where all of a sudden, like,

A woman gives up her career to raise the kid, and then the guy does some fuckery, and now she's out on her own, and she has, like, no job or whatever, because she gave it up to raise the kids, to do her part of whatever arrangement that they had made. And now, all of a sudden, like, she's the one who's unfit when she was the one who had the rug pulled out from under her. Like, this happens...

All the time. And I'm not saying that's what happened in Katie's case. We don't know what happened in Katie's case. But Emily should know well enough that just because the way the court ruled, both from the Innocent Project and from being a family attorney, does not necessarily tell the full story of what's happening between these people.

Yes. And also, you know, we keep saying, oh, well, she's a family attorney. She should know. But you know what? All family attorneys are not created equal. Who's going against these women? Who's destroying these women in court and getting custody taken away? Women like Emily, men like Emily, attitudes like Emily's. So when we keep saying, well, she should know better. She's a family attorney. Maybe she does know better. And that's why she's trying to destroy her like this in a way that she knows she can. You know, it's disgusting. It's really bad.

So Andy's like, well, so Katie, what happened? And she says she was living in a facility and her parents who...

probably some kind of a home, as we've said, some kind of a shelter. We don't really know if it's a shelter or not. We don't really know what this means. That's where my mind went. Her parents lived 20 minutes from her and couldn't help her because they wouldn't agree because she was divorcing her ex-husband, which to them is a sin. So he was immediately awarded the kids because she couldn't provide a place for them to live, which is 100% believable and also extremely sad. Hmm.

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And so then Emily's like, oh, was that legal custody as well? Because that's the part that doesn't make sense. And she goes, I don't know. She goes, well, legal custody is just decision making power. So that has to do with the health and wellness of the kids. And she's like, well, at the time, I thought, you know what, right now it's OK, because I was trying to get my life together and figure out how I could get them back and take care of them.

This is so fucking sad. I want to cry talking about this, which is very unlike me. But watching it, I was just like, this poor woman telling the story. And then having Emily not even change the tone in her voice and just being like, oh, right, right. So what kind of custody was that?

You know, you have Emily here. Like you said before, we have sat through so many seasons of Emily talking about how her mom wasn't there for her. She had to do things on her own, which, by the way, is sad. Like, you know, like, I'm not going to take that away from Emily. But, like, if you want us to hold space for your family trauma and what you've gone through and your struggles, like, why are you being so unsympathetic here? And it's only because...

You've decided to just like back up Gina because Gina was so mad that Katie said that she owned a house that she actually just was leasing to own.

Yeah, it's just outrageous. This all comes back to Heather just not liking someone said she called a paparazzi when Katie didn't even start that shit. Tamara did. And now Heather's besties with Tamara doing all of this shit. Just gross people. So Emily is like, you're still coming at her. And Andy asked how she got custody back. And Katie said, well, she went to we meaning her and Matt went to court a few times to fight it.

And he said, and you built yourself a life. I mean, I'm assuming she's talking about Matt. I don't know if it was Matt. She may have just been her like attorney or something. Cause I don't know. Okay. At that point, I was wondering we, you know, what was we, so, okay. That makes sense. So then Andy was like, so you built up a life for yourself and got custody. She's like, yeah. And he said, well, how long were they in his custody? And it was 18 months.

And Jen's like, but were you like still co-parenting or were you doing things with the kids? Thank you. Thank you. Finally, we have like the defense coming in here. And she's like, yes, I never missed a time. I've never missed time with my kids. And that was horrible, horrible time. And now she's sobbing. And so Jen's like, I'm so sorry. And they leave it there. And then Heather, that fucking dark cloud funnel comes.

of skin and bones comes up to her with her dark button eyes and looms above her and is like katie i am very sorry about the children that must have been devastating i don't know the whole story but i wasn't going to bring that part up yes you brought that you did bring it up you asshole emily made it worse but you were part of this don't start trying to protect yourself now

I am very sorry. Well, thank you. I am speaking an apology to you. I'm very sorry. Okay, thanks. And Gina, you look fucking gorgeous. How do you keep your vagina in your skirt? Oh my God, aren't we having the best time today? When I say the word hate, I cannot over-exaggerate that enough. What a vile human being. Gross. So then, after we've just ruined Katie, we take a break.

And then Katie's like, you know, basically crying. And then, yeah, Heather. Oh, my God. I thought you were joking. Heather literally does go, Gina, you look fucking gorgeous. How do you keep your vagina inside your skull? So now it's time to move on to more fun things. Ryan's role in this scandal. This is downright innocent and fun at this point. It really is. I'm like, oh, thank God. Thank God. Just an FBI scandal. No children and traumatic events.

past and have to be resurrected. You know, I just want to say something really quick. I know that sometimes people listen to this and we're a fun, we're supposed to be a fun podcast doing fun things. And that's normally how this is. But sometimes it just gets so dark and I can't like, I just can't understand. And I get that. That's not why you come here, but fuck Heather and fuck Emily. You two fucking monsters. I hate you. Okay. That's it.

I don't understand why we're so angry. It's been a pretty chill week, so I don't know what's going on. Well, it costs on your house. I mean, I would not call this a particularly emotional time right now. Well, it could be projecting, but it could also just be two vile people continuing to get away with shit over and over, and nobody seems to care. Wow. That doesn't sound familiar at all, does it?

We're also completely stoking each other on. And another thing! Yeah, you're right, Rami! And another thing! Like, we are actually... Like, when I was watching, I was like, this is so fucked up. But today, I'm like, I am spewing Hellfire and Brimstone because, like, you know what? Why not? Why not? So then...

Okay, so let's move on. So Andy is like, it's like, all right, everyone. Well, Jen was betting it all on her future with Ryan. Get it? See what I did there? Betting. Tamara was dealing out accusations about Jen's future husband when Ryan found himself in the center of an international scandal. Ha, ha, ha. Well, so then we go into this whole thing and we have a montage about

Ryan and this Otani situation and the gambling and the bookies and all this stuff. It's a big, big, big, big montage and everything. And when we come back, Andy's like, so did you consider breaking off your engagement when this happened? And John's like, no, no, no. I just know that day was hard. It was a hard day. The yoga studio was closed. So I couldn't do my, you know, vinyasa flow. And that was, that was difficult. And, you know, then I,

Oh, yeah. And then there was that scandal with Ryan. But it's mainly the vinyasa I was really upset about that day. Yeah. And did Ryan say, I'm cooperating with the authorities. I have immunity. Don't worry. And she goes, oh, God, it was so long ago. I just I had already known all that. This had happened almost seven months prior to that. And he's like, so he was already working with the authorities. And she goes, oh, well, you know, he had those two Zoom calls. Yeah, he had those. No, we don't know. What the fuck are you talking about?

Tell us more, Jen. Also, why is Jen talking? Didn't anybody tell Jen, don't talk? Don't talk about this stuff.

So Tamara's like, yeah, but then if he has a Zoom call, then why were you surprised when I mentioned the FBI? She goes, oh, well, that night I was... Oh, sorry, that's Emily saying that. And Joan goes, well, because you mentioned the FBI as if Ryan was in trouble with the feds and asked him how the feds are going. And Ryan and his attorney reached out to the feds and the feds never reached out to Ryan. The feds never came to Ryan's home. Ryan's been totally not in trouble whatsoever. He's just been working with the feds.

Listen, all Ryan does is splatter denim with paint. I mean, who could be mad at that? And Sandy's like, well, they would have come to his home had he not cooperated. She goes, I don't know. I don't know. What do I know? And Heather's like, yeah, but remember, he was like, maybe she was talking about Matt as if he had no idea. And Emily's like, hey, no, hey, no.

And Shannon says, as a person of experience, when you're involved in a lawsuit and you're on a reality show and it's ongoing, you shouldn't just sit there and say, oh, well, da-da-da-da-da-da. Da-da-da-da-da-da. Why are you making circles with your fingers, Shannon? I can't stop.

It's actually my daily exercise. You know what? Yes, as a person of experience, and I'm not saying this is just because I'm being currently sued by John Jansen and Alexis Bellino, but it's mainly because I am being sued by John Jansen and Alexis Bellino twice now by Alexis. So I'm just processing that. Let me do the circles again just to get it out of the system. I'm okay. I'm okay.

Okay, let's back it up. Jen, what did you mean when you said you fucked it all up? Because they showed that clip of Jen being like, oh my God.

I just, I fucked it all up. She goes, well, I knew the article was coming and we were told we want to mention Ryan's name. And Ryan's attorney said that he wants it all known that I'm not a bookie in his, you know, the Shohei Ohtani situation. And then, so when it came out, I felt like this is on me because if I wasn't sitting on this couch, he wouldn't have been mentioned. I mean, it just would have been about Matt and Matt's business. But now, you know, people know who Ryan is. And so it's also about Ryan.

I thought she was saying I fucked it all up because she was like, I left my husband and ruined my family for this man. But she wasn't. She was like, oh, no, I heard things for Ryan by being on this show. I made Ryan's complicity in this scandal much more high profile. I ruined it. Jen, come on, man.

But Ryan was involved. They were writing about it, and that's why he was mentioned. I feel badly that you think that you're the reason and that he's being implicated in something that you did. That's not true. Women should not be victims. Katie, you're a terrible mom. Okay?

So Jen is like, she's like, but he's not involved in Matt's bookie business. Not at all. He just merely received $16 million in his bank account. Just kind of like as a joke. It's like a fun thing. You know, you know, boys will be boys.

They just keep questioning her, and she just keeps answering the questions. Well, you can say, listen, I'm telling you everything I've read, and I've done as much research as possible to understand it. So you have done research. So you are researching people in the cast. He is involved. And in order for him to have immunity, that means he testifies. Okay, listen.

Emily's right. Emily's right. That's what I'm going to say too. Emily's right. And they're right. It's not that she's wrong about everything that she's saying. I think she's probably right in most of the stuff she's saying, but she's so who makes it up to Emily to be everybody's judge and jury. Why does Emily get to decide everybody's guilty and then just drag them across the floor every season, do something on your own. You have nothing going on except a husband who hates you with a very thin veil on.

okay so no emily has something going on new hip so then andy's right so andy's like well then so jen's like well he never testified and he's like well so then how did he get immunity and and you know emily's like well probably he gave information about matt so they could prosecute matt no but that's his best friend he would never do that um

yeah, but you said he knew everything. Like you said, he, he said he knew everything about him. And then it's like, yeah, like that's how you get immunity. And she's like, well, I don't, I don't know where everybody gets that idea that you just have to,

Telling someone else to get immunity. I think you get immunity just by, you know, bring some coffee to the FBI, right? Oh, you know what? Well, cue up my favorite song, Gorka Strokes. I'm about to sing it. I'm an attorney! Yeah, we know, Emily. Okay? And also, everybody knows how immunity works because we watch mob movies. Because we watch 24 and we see the deals that Jack Bauer cut. Okay? We know what immunity is. Seriously.

Treating us all like we're idiots. Emma's like, okay, Jen, when you get immunity, it's because you are exchanging. Oh, like holiday exchange? Well, we did invite the FBI to our white elephant party, so maybe that's what that's about.

I ended up with a vibrator, which was so funny because I gave a bag of crystals that I actually took down from the chandelier before I left the last house. Hey, wait a minute. That was my friend's house. Sorry. I shouldn't have said that. Well, I think that you have to volunteer. And I think he had to volunteer the account. No immunity. Heather goes, it is an exchange of information. And

Oh, this is what he did. Here's the account. Here's the computer. There's the account. There's the phone. Take it. Go ahead and take it. Like, yeah. And Emily goes, yeah, that's all I'm saying. And she's like, well, he submitted whatever they needed him to submit. Is that what you mean?

I mean, yeah, he told them all what Matt was up to. I don't think he actually ratted him out. And Abby says, well, can you explain what the dirty business is? And she goes, I don't know what the dirty business is. What's the dirty business? Where's the dirty business? Anybody? Is that like Dirty Dancing? I love that movie. I'm an attorney! Oh my God.

so Otani's interpreter has a gambling addiction he makes all these bets with Matt Matt is an illegal bookie so he racked up a ton of bet so then in order to pay his debts the translator sold money stole money out of Otani's account so then we see articles that confirm this and then it's like the money went into Ryan's account it was between 15 16 or 17 million and it was in Ryan's name now by the way

Like, this is what I want people. I don't understand why no one in this cast is critical of this. Like, is that the weirdest thing? Why would if someone not involved in a scheme, why would you put the money in just like a friend's account? Like, that's does not make any sense.

I think everybody agrees that Ryan's guilty. Yeah. He flipped on his friend, clearly. Yeah, I think that everybody agrees with the premise of this. I think that we just see Jen as kind of a victim of Ryan because she's just Jen. I mean, she's like such a good-hearted person. You want to root for Jen. And I don't believe she's like a Carmela Soprano type who knows what's going on and is just turning a blind eye. Maybe she knows a little bit, but...

She just seems just so dingy about it. And she believes everything he tells her. And it just seems like we don't care if Ryan goes. I mean, we, the audience. I don't care if Ryan goes down. He seems like a slime bucket. But I don't want Jen to go down. And I don't want Emily ruining Jen's life. Like, I just don't want it. I don't care if he did it.

Well, Ryan moved the money into marker accounts and casinos, specifically Resorts World and Pechanga. Now hold on one moment. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Sorry, the rule of Pechanga is you have to do the theme song when you mention it. It's just the way it goes. It's like you can't say oh without going oh, oh, oh, O'Reilly. Autoparts. Autoparts.

So then Ryan moved all this money to marker accounts and casinos. Yeah, all that stuff. So then Jen's like, well, listen, I mean, how many times? 32, 40? I mean, I don't know. I don't know. So many numbers. And the reason Matt used that bank account was because he could only bank through Bank of America, and he didn't have a Bank of America account. So he used that account. So he had no idea it was going to blow up and be in trouble.

interpreter. I mean, whose money is this? Oh, wait, let me finish. That's what Heather says, right? God, I love her. So every dollar was accounted for by Matt and Ryan's name was just on the account. And Tamara's like, I get an alert every time I get $10,000. My account says, hey, bitch, you got money.

I like that Jen just says, well, you know, the illegal bookie business had to be done with Bank of America, and that didn't have a Bank of America account. So he thought I could either open one or I could just put $60 million in Ryan's account. That just seemed like the easier thing to do.

Oh, sure, sure, sure. Listen, I'm not here to attack Ryan, but basically – she continues to attack Ryan. She explains that they were cashing in the chips. They were turning all this money into chips at casinos and then cashing them in.

And then they lost $12 million gambling. And Jen's like, well, I've read a million different things, you know? And Emily says, and then they were laundering the money. And then at the party, then Matt said, this is my laundering partner. It's just, oh, you know, Matt, he just jokes. He's being funny. Like he's making fun of it. You know, he's being dumb. It's like, oh, look, this is the money launderer. Is that funny? I think it's funny.

but he has a criminal enterprise going on and he says this is my money laundering partner well you know it's just the money it's just that look you can't actually clean money like just the word that the phrase money laundering is kind of a joke right you don't just put it into your whirlpool and just let it rip right i mean so i don't know why people aren't seeing that comedy here she goes the money the money's not ryan's we know that's

a point and emily's like i know and he goes well but he's also given immunity so you know and he's not being charged and he's not being charged thank you thank you andy thank you so much um emily as someone currently being sued who is not immune from literally anything in this world who currently has peanuts in her house poisoning her emily if she's seeing that the only

part that Ryan had is his name was on the account. That's all it is. I don't understand what's going on here. Also, I'd like to point out Alexis Blino is suing me. Just want to just keep it that as a present runner in this.

And Emily's like, but that's opposite of everything I've read. And Jen goes, well, I'm sorry. I mean, I've read your in-laws fund your whole life. The way that she literally gagged this woman. Emily just stopped and looked like she caught a canary in her mouth. Jen just pulled that up out of nowhere. It was like, it was like, like, wait.

Jen, like, and she's had this entire conversation to bring that up, but then out of nowhere, she brings it up right here. And I was like, Ooh, it's like, it's like Jen tried to be nice to her and Emily just won't stop. So she shuts Emily up, which is so funny. And Emily has nothing to say. She doesn't deny that. And it was glorious. I think she's one of the first people to ever shut Emily up, you know? So she acts like some weakling, but at the end of the day, she can shut that monster up.

It literally is squirting a cat with a water gun that gets on the counter. Oh, okay. I'll go back down to the floor. So, I mean, she gets Emily to do the pivot of the old classic. Look, at the end of the day, you got nothing for nothing. And that's all you can say for the life of the Genos.

I would just have more respect for you and Ryan if you said to me, you know what? He made some bad choices, but he's going to be on the straight and narrow. It's not your business. No one needs to come confess to you. You're not the criminal justice system, okay, copyright attorney? Shut the fuck up over there.

No one needs to do that. And how about you stop? Yeah, you married Shane. And how about you stop asking everybody to come confess crimes on camera, Emily? What are you talking about? I just want you to confess. Yeah, I'm sure you do, Emily. Okay, but that's not how this works. And also, Innocence Project. Hello.

She's like, I don't owe you that because he hasn't done anything wrong. How is he not? Does he not have a mortgage broker license anymore? You know what? I don't know why you'd love to do this. I don't ask you how many cases does Shane have. We're just probably like...

This is not a great argument. Yeah. Shane doesn't even drink more than 7-Up. You know what I mean? So she goes, oh, it's just this Tammy Wynette thing where you've got to stand by your man. And sometimes you just need to be held. You just need to be accountable. No, she doesn't. Not to you. Do you understand? She doesn't have to be accountable to you. Who are you? Yeah. So that was the end. Jen's like, I'm very accountable.

Although maybe my accounting is not so great. I'm not countable. Well, I'm one person. I am countable. Look at me. I'm one person. One. Okay. Thank you so much for showing me I'm countable. This was a really, really productive day, Andy. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Emily, for reminding me. Thank you, Andy. Thank you. Thank you.

That was it for the first episode. It was, wow, we really wound ourselves up and that's fun. That's a fun thing to do as podcasters. So thanks everyone for listening. Hope you all have a sane and a fun weekend and we'll be back on Monday for a whole fresh new week of Bravo recaps. Bye everybody. Love you guys.

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