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Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Happens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

So then now we go to Gina's and Gina is saying that Matt's going to Matt, basically Matt and Britt come over. So Gina's like, first of all, every time we talk about making meatballs, meatball things is going to get eaten. We think the dog meatball because, you know, I got a dog named Meatball. So I said, let's eat meatball. And the meatball's like, oh my God, don't eat me. My name is Meatball.

Like, okay, I get it. You're making meatballs for your friend from back home, your ex-husband. You need to stop pretending you have this. Why is your accent 10 times more now? Is it the meatball? Because I know that thing's frozen. We understand you are trying to lock down an influencing deal with Ragu. We support it. But you have to mention the brand name if you want to get that deal. You can't just talk about the meatballs, okay? Truth.

So, uh, meatball bomb. Sorry about that. Meatball bomb. You know what my favorite movie was from the 80s? Meatballs. So Britt's like, we're going to have a commitment ceremony in April.

And she's like, oh my god, I'm so happy for you guys. It's so nice of you and the kids. The point is, she's basically saying that, like, you know, she's now, like, now we're getting a little bit more insight. Like, it's the situation with the ex, obviously, is preventing it. Although, what I'm confused about, naively, probably, is why...

um like she they have this she shows let me back up for a second she shows this really kind of like sweet scene where the kids all arranged a wedding for travis and gina in the backyard and like the kids were all happy they were all happy for this and then she's sort of suggesting that she would love to go down that path but she can't because the x is causing so much drama and my question is

I get that the ex is causing drama and I get that that's a pressure on the relationship. But why would that prevent her from getting married to Travis? Because of money, basically. A lot of money stuff. Like if there's alimony and there's money being paid, a lot of times that can change. So if you're getting alimony from somebody and then you get married and some agreements, you don't get that alimony anymore because you're married to somebody else.

Or saying he's because as Travis is Travis receiving alimony from the wife. Is that what it is? We don't know. It's rumored that he is and that he's like the main caretaker of the kids. So she's supposed to be paying child support and stuff like that. But I don't know. I don't have enough like solid details. I just know from like Reddit comments.

You know what I mean? But it seems like they're in this really toxic, horrible place, and there's a lot of legal stuff, and nothing's really settled. And so if he's got Gina's income coming in that's supporting their family, is there any legal right for her to be getting any of that for the kids or her saying, well, I shouldn't have to pay him that much because he's living in a household where they're making a quarter of a million dollars a year or whatever? So why am I having to pay this alimony?

So I think they're having to separate. And this is all just me speculating, but I think they're having to separate for reasons like that, you know, because she doesn't want this lady coming after her money and her kids just because she's partners with Travis.

Yeah, I do genuinely feel bad for Gina about this because that really does suck. I also was amused because there's a lot of Gina talking in her interview telling us about the situation. And they clearly did a pickup, meaning that they shot more of the interview several months later. And so it's going back and forth between the original interview and the pickup. And so her hair, she has that awful hair in that one, the original interview, where it's like this...

strange helmet that's like the hair is going from the right all the way to the left it's like a strange comb over that she has and then the in the pickup it's much nicer so her hair is going from like changing from like crazy to normal to crazy to normal as she's doing these sentences and i'm like you gotta you gotta do better trying to create some consistency here

Oh, really? Because I thought, wow, how did they not fix her hair in this? Well, it went from, uh-oh, your camera. You just got attacked by Travis's ex. The boogie woman. Oh, and you're muted now also. I'm just going to move forward. For fuck's sake. The TLDR here. I'm over here calling Gina a disaster. My camera's fallen for the fifth time. I'm dropping everything. Every time your camera falls.

Every time your camera falls over, it looks like you got raided by the police. It's like, freeze! Put your hands up! Anyway, the point is this. Gina's hair is wild, and I've not gotten over it yet, and she's in a sad situation. And she's also making me balls, and she feels bad!

And she just wants to co-parent better with Matt and Brett. And she's like, oh my God, like, Brett, you're like so lucky you got me as the ex and I got crazy pants over there, you know? And so then we find out, I mean, it's just like a little small talk about people. Yeah. And basically, Britt is basically debating whether or not she'll take Matt's last name. And if she does, her name will be Britt Terry Lynn DeSola Kirshenheider, which means that she will be ready to join the Real Housewives of New Jersey without

Yeah. So we go to Katie and Matt's and this is where Katie does her like, I'm supposed to cook dinner, but I didn't cook it. I bought it and I'm going to pretend I cooked it. Ha ha ha ha. I can't, I can't. So then Katie's like, oh, so by the way, Matt, let me tell you about what, let me tell you about the beef, which I also didn't cook.

Eddie and Ryan, they haven't seen each other in months. And apparently Ryan went on a podcast and bashed Tamara and Eddie. He's like, wow. Now who are Tamara and Eddie? He's like, can I go to my office? No, you have to stay here for this dinner, Matt. So Emily and Shane come first. Always the guests you want first, you know? Dang.

Emily comes marching in. Yeah. And Shane's like, hey, Emily, can that purse be used as a weapon? You know it. And then there's a very hard turkey sandwich in here I can beat someone with. And a new whip. So then Tamara and Eddie show up next. More hellos. And finally, Jen and Ryan show up. And by the way,

I'm not sure if Jen has finally decided to save some money and stop using glam, but it seems like maybe this was not professionally handled for this episode. I'm not sure. I didn't notice. I think I only noticed Gina's hair because it was so, it's like the outfit, you know, that she like publicly apologized for. She actually came out and said, she was like, go ahead, say candle, I'll be winners, okay? Yeah.

Like, please stop threatening my family. People are like sending her bomb threats and stuff. Like, please. It's really one of the worst interview looks we've ever had on any franchise. I'm sorry. It's like such a failure on so many levels. Like, I'm not. Yeah. Yeah. And still came back with that terrible hair. So Gina, I noticed, I don't really notice anybody else's glam. I don't get it. I'll just show when they show the tracks of their, cause this show has the worst glam.

hair extensions and stuff so i love pointing out their tracks because those are hilarious yeah i know everyone's hair extensions look like ramps on mario kart but uh jen her yeah her makeup i was like what is going i don't even notice makeup most of the time but i was like what is happening here so ryan walks in and he goes up to eddie goes hey it's great to see you and then he's like sort of opens up his arms he's like you're gonna

You gonna give me a hug? And he's like, no, I won't. He's like, okay, it's great to see you. And then Eddie walks away and he's like, so you're just gonna hide? Okay. I'm like, no, he's not hiding from you. He just doesn't want to look at your jacket.

He's hiding from your fashion. Eddie is seriously looking away like, oh, I'm just going to look at the ceiling. Someone walked in. I don't like. Entire episode, he's looking at the sky. No, don't hug me. I don't want to hug you. Then he walks away making a big deal like, fuck that guy to everybody. Really super mature. So then...

Everyone's speculating. Are they going to get in a fight? Are they going to get in a fight? And Katie's like, oh my god, please don't break any of our wine glasses. They're like $80 each. Okay, that's another reason you can't be here. That should be nothing to you. Or you should at least be able to pretend that it's nothing. Like, you broke a glass. What, it's $80? What's the price of a tortilla? Like, literally don't care. I mean, $80 each, that's probably as much as Danielle Stobbs spent on each of her implants. So, Shannon, Shane...

No one is safe today. Just what you thought. Just what you thought was safe to disappear into obscurity. So then Shane is like, I don't drink. And he's like, not unless I have to tolerate the environment. Like that guy. It's a little bullshitty in here. Oh, God. So then go ahead.

No, no. I was like, I was wondering if this was when Ryan... Oh, no, no. No, sorry. I was skipping ahead in my mind. So yeah, Eddie is being... Eddie is doing... He's being like... Eddie is performatively doing that thing like, I'm holding myself back from swinging a punch, you know? So Tam is like... I drive Harleys now, bro. I could kick someone's ass at any moment. I'm actively lowering the home values of my neighborhood with my giant truck right now. That's what I do. Yes. So Tam is like, did you see what Eddie did to Ryan? Hey!

Well, I don't blame him. You think Shane would be happy to see someone that fucking trashed me? I'm like, I think Shane would be, actually. They were funny. What, are you going to get mad at comedy?

He crossed the line like a little fucking bitch. And then Emily's like, don't say little bitch around Shane. We get a flashback. Thank you, editors, for this. You're a bitch. You're a bitch. You're a bitch. You're a bitch. You're a bitch. You're a bitch. You're a bitch. You're a bitch. And then Emily crawling over the standing table to be like, don't you talk about my turkey salad. Your husband. My husband like that. I'll marry you.

who's the bitch now and i was like right i don't get it but right your husband is literally running around the room trying to avoid somebody and like snickering behind their back i think in this case your husband's a little bitch at least the other guy came up and said hey you want to talk and he's like no so yeah yeah i mean you gotta hand it to ryan

Ryan did control the narrative of this moment. He was like, I'm going to be unavoidable. I'm not afraid. He did the power move. Well, it's also kind of the husband norm, and obviously it's not 100% reliable, but it's a norm on these shows that the husbands make up with each other. Because you know how there's always a husband every year. He's like, these women, they just fly with him.

we're a man and men don't do that look how men can just golf the next day you know there's always that that's what they do and that's what they do and so ryan's trying to do that and eddie's like no you know he's been with tamra she's like just ready to like have a big housewives fight at any moment she's like i'm a bad baby so then ryan

So Ryan's like, huh? He wouldn't even say hi. He wouldn't even give me a hug. He's such a clown, a baby bitch. So then Eddie, then they're all kind of like still just chatting and talk about like where they're going to sit and joking about like if what would happen if Eddie and Ryan sit next to each other. And then Ryan, meanwhile, is outside with Matt and Matt thinks he's going to,

have a nice conversation and he's like oh so by the way what do you do he's like oh well you know i'm in real estate development i'm in development i mean like well you know she's been in the mortgage industry for 15 years i'm doing all these projects in california i love baseball i love otani he's great on the dodgers you know like oh you know just like going up construction buildings have you ever been on a highway i love a highway i once uh built a cone and that was on a highway once during an accident so it was great textiles walls

You know, pylons, shapes on top of each other, doors in them. Boom. Construction. Yeah. I was once in the business of mirrors, but like the mirrors that they make for those movies was like two guys are carrying a mirror across a street and then a car goes through it. You know what I'm talking about? Those mirrors, we make those.

And he just keeps talking and talking and they do that edit where it just makes it look like he's talking for 10 hours. And Matt's just like, oh God. I mean, if Matt had any color in his face, it would be drained out. You know, it's just like, oh God, what have I gotten myself into? You know, it's like Ryan, this is a man. This is a man whose career centers around golf. You've talked way too much. This is a quiet man. So it's just like play through.

Play through. Four. As in, I need four lines and that's it. So...

Eddie is all of a sudden saying to Tamara, "Paint yourself on the drinks, please." No, let Tamara get wasted and be the disaster that she is, okay? He knows what's coming, you know? He knows. And I'm like, "Tamara, tell the bartender I need a drink." So she goes over and she's holding two drinks and the martini just spills all over. She's spilling it, you know? Lucille blue thing. Yeah.

And Emily's like, you ding-dong! She's like, I was trying to cover your cladding. Oh, jeez, I'm not going to make an effort to clean that up. And Emily's like, you can't take her anywhere, right, guys? And then we see Eddie looking concerned slash disgusted in the back. It was an amazing shot. God, these, you know, we have to give credit to the camera people on these shows because they have to see in that moment, like,

what, what dynamics are playing out and what needs to be like when to do that rack focus shot. And they did it. And like, Ooh, Eddie seething with rage as Tamara drinks her martini. I'm like, this feels like it should have been a bigger storyline. Like clearly Eddie has some feelings about Tamara's drinking, but,

Next season, I guarantee it'll be a thing. Well, they're definitely putting the seeds there. And it's interesting because Tamara's whole season is accusing Shannon of being an alcoholic. Which makes so much more sense now, by the way. Because a lot of times, people hate the things that remind them the most of themselves, right? So now, if the reason why Tamara is getting so angry at Shannon is because she's having issues with Eddie about this topic in terms of him coming down on her or whatever, then it's like, oh...

this all makes sense. It's interesting because it's a running theme in this show right now because Emily's got all of her like internalized fat phobia and stuff like that that's coming out and it's coming out all over the place where she's like, oh, I'm not fat anymore. Why are people treating me like I'm some ugly fat girl? It's like,

Oh, guess what? Not everybody has lost a ton of weight. And like for you to insinuate that it's ugly to not be like you, what size you are is gross. But she's going, it's like you have to have some sensitivity for it because she's still going through the mind fuck of what that does to you, like losing weight. And it's kind of normal to have that, but it's just what you're saying. You know, it's like the thing you're having a problem with you seeing other people.

yeah that's a real bitch ain't it god i spend most of my time on this show projecting you know i should open a fucking movie that's the amount that's why i'm so mean at people who have bad posture i'm like fuck you bet middler die in a fire so um then uh jen's like wow last time tamra got super drunk like this i literally had a napkin thrown in my face now i have to say jen

This is you're on a show where Shannon Medora crashed a car into a into a building. And so like the napkin in your face thing, like I just feel like you can't you can't offer that up as evidence of like, watch out. Someone's drunk. Yeah, that lady just pissed on the concrete of the pool last week. Okay. Having a napkin thrown at your face is nothing. I mean, the fact that she even held a napkin, she should get an award for.

Yeah. Like you didn't have the table flip. You didn't have a glass throne. A napkin's pretty benign when it comes to reality TV and people getting drunk. Yeah. So then Eddie's like, don't serve her any more alcohol, please. He's like, okay, done. That's hilarious. So then, um, small talk about Katie and Matt's relationship and, um,

how uh you know we know we know all this and then uh eddie's like uh still looking for a good one right huh and she's like he's coming to the streets of newport beach for for the right women they're like laughing and stuff and tamra gets by the way i thought katie's that's all tamra's trying to make this party fun because by the way this is like the most boring dinner party you can tell no one's having fun and uh they're joking about how like katie's like i had underwear on and she's like

It feels like your butthole. And Eddie goes, that's classy. Shut up, Eddie. God. Eddie's so miserable. But Eddie's always been miserable. Eddie was never a smiley, happy person. He's always been misery incarnate. He's always had a frown on his face. And it's not like, oh, he just doesn't smile. He has an active frown on his face, like an emoji.

you know? Yeah. But honestly, the past few seasons, he's been more miserable than usual. Like, before he was always really quiet and, like, not that fun. But now he's, like, he just seems like a very sad person. Like, he just seems miserable at all times. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Krappens commercial.

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So Tamara's like, okay, fine, let's just do this. She goes, can we talk about Alexis the other night? And she goes, you know, she was acting fucking crazy. Looney Tunes, Alexis didn't help that night at all. You know, I feel like Heather and I, maybe we could have had like, I don't know, like just went and sat down if Alexis wasn't there because I tried to talk to Heather and I tried to tell her how I felt from my heart as a fucking friend. And, you know, let me just explain something to you, okay? You see what it is?

Ryan, you see me at the gym every day. I'm like, really, Emily? Are you going to fall into tears over this stupid fight you had with Heather last night at this party? Yes, again. And so he's like, yeah, every morning she's there. She's at the gym. I see her there. She's there. I mean, I hit on her every day.

I tried to fuck her every day for months. It hasn't happened yet, but I have faith. And she's like, yeah, when I go to a fashion show and there's two dresses that are identical and one for me is a size 12, do you think that hurts my psyche? Okay, but...

are you a size 12? Like, this is still what I don't get. And someone left a comment saying, no, the problem is, is that she put Alexis and Emily in the exact same dress. And Emily could see that there was a smaller version of the dress for somebody who cares. Are you a size 12 or not? You can't get mad at somebody else for giving you a size 12. I still don't understand. I think that, yeah, I think that what, for Emily, where she is, it's probably, I'm assuming one of the reasons why she's also feeling hurt is that like,

It's like Alexis, in her mind, I can see her mind saying, oh, Alexis's dress is like the proper size. And the one that Emily is wearing is the, oh, and by the way, if you're plus size, here's an option for you. And that's kind of like, I don't think she wants to be the plus size option, I'm assuming. But of course, as we've all said, definitely.

dozens of times, but it doesn't even matter because it doesn't matter what we say is that she looked obviously fucking hot in it and gorgeous, but and it wasn't didn't come off like, oh, this is the this is just some plus size option. It looked like this is a dress. This you can wear it like this or you can wear it like this.

But in her mind, I'm assuming, because she's been working so hard, she has all this baggage that she brings to it. I think just as someone who struggles with weight and is a bigger person, it starts feeling offensive when someone is like, ooh, a size 12? I'm mortified. I've been working on it. I'm not disgusting like that anymore. And it feels like...

It feels like mean to me. I'm like, leave me the fuck out of it. Right, that's interesting. Like, why do you have to be mean to other big people about it? And I know that that's a part of it, like I said before, that is just like your own personal shit to work through. And it doesn't really have anything to do with anybody else. But it still feels gross, and I don't like it. And I don't like that no one's told her, like, you're being fatphobic to other people who are bigger. Like, a size 12 is actually not that big. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm.

So that's weird. And then the other thing is she keeps saying that she's not shaming. She's not accusing Heather of fat shaming her. Well, if you're not accusing her of that and you're saying that you're, you know, it's a problem within you, then why is it a problem with Heather? I think you are accusing Heather of fat shaming you. And I think Heather is kind of guilty of being really insensitive in that regard. I wouldn't be surprised if she was, honestly.

Yeah, I actually think that what Emily's saying is like, I don't think that she's fat shaming me, but this dress inadvertently triggered something in me. And I want her to acknowledge that she should be aware of what may trigger me. And I think that she's like, I think she wants Heather to be

to show her more care. And I think that Heather is like, I did show you care. I let you talk to me. I did show you care. I gave you three gigantic dresses. Do you know how much fabric that was? Do you know how many trees? I feel tied for those dresses. I said you were my favorite Muppet. What more care do you need? No, it's better than snuffle up a guess. Yeah. I,

Look, I mean, I get Emily's thing overall, but she just is so Emily about it that it's starting to get like, okay, shut up and stop calling me fat. I'm starting to project it to my own self where I'm like, you need to leave me alone now. Okay. Because now you're pissing me off.

Yeah, so Tamara does. Tamara's saying that she does feel bad for her. And Jen says, you know, it would have been awesome for everybody to let you two have the conversation. It's just, it's unfortunate she didn't give you the time to do that. And there was all that noise with Alexis. And they're like, yeah, she was crazy, whatever. And Tamara's like, well, by the way, everyone, People Magazine came out with an article basically saying that John is now officially suing Shannon. So should we pop open some champagne?

So then she was like, oh. And then I called on Shannon to see how she went, and she didn't answer. But then she butt-tapped me, and she was crying. And she said, Alexis is behind all this. And she blamed it on Alexis. And she said she was sad. She was tired. She can't go through this. So much blame on Alexis. I mean, give me a break, am I right?

Yeah, but if I was Shannon and I had been sued by Alexis and her ex-husband, and now Alexis and her boyfriend, I think I get it. And she's like, yeah, you cannot put those two together. And she's, no, I know, but in Shannon's mind, remember, Shannon is...

You know, deranged, you know, that's probably what she's thinking. Yeah. But also how do you not put those two things together? That's ridiculous. It's, it's called like evidence. I mean, she sued a pattern. Yeah. It's called a pattern. I mean, give me a fucking break. Of course you put those two things together.

Well, I, hello, I'm here to give a talking head, and I think that Alexis' PR team is behind this, because People Magazine article, 1,000%, 1,000, I'm gonna, I'm gonna borrow the page to store about 1,000%, not one doubt in my mind. The same things happened with Tamara and I when we got sued by the Bolinos for defamation. The press got a copy of the complaint before we did. I'm

I mean, clearly the reason why Shannon doesn't like her isn't because of the lawsuit. It's because she's banging the rest of the boyfriend. Two things can be true at once. Yes. I was like, it could be all of the above. The lady sued her for all this money, got a lot of money, and now she's banging her boy, her ex-boyfriend to get on the show, which I don't care what anybody says. It's a little bit, uh,

coincidental that this is all happening that suddenly alexis has a job and it happens to be anti one of the stars of the show i mean come on give me a break of course she doesn't like her let me ask you a question riddle me this

Would you rather pay someone $70,000 to pay them off or go to court? Ryan's like, is embezzling an option? So Shane's like, well, he needs an over. How about you pay me $70,000 and I'll put it in my friend's account. And then you'll get payments on that from different accounts all over the world month to month.

Oh, Tani. I mean, oh, Tamara. So Shane's like, he's like, wow, man, legal, legal, legal, legal, legal. I'm bored. I'm like, yeah, she did offer. They basically are all like saying she should have just paid it, made her life easier because she's now going to have to go to court, spend more money. And in the end, she still won't get the non-disparagement thing. Cause that's only something that you can get during a settlement. So they're basically saying she should have just moved on, but yeah,

I get that. I mean, there's probably that feels that way too, but I don't know that, uh,

I think Shannon coming to the table and saying, okay, I'll give you money, that was her saying, okay, I will pay you to move on with my life. And the fact that he still wouldn't sign the non-disparagement thing is so fucked up. Ultimately, I think that makes him the most disgusting person. He's gross. I mean, look, just to be fair, of course, Shannon does have the new face. You know what I mean? So she did, whether or not he gave it to her,

saying it was a gift or whatever. She does have the new face. So, I mean, part of her could have been like, well, I mean, I am wearing the face, so I guess I could pay it back. You know, there's part of it. But I think there's so much emotional stuff tied to it, too, because she had David before, and David was, I mean, David right now

is embroiled in more drama with his current lady with abuse allegations and stuff like that. And there were a lot of abuse allegations on this show against David. So Shannon's recovering from that kind of thing. And then with another controlling, weird woman,

you know, at the very least emotionally abusive personality like Johnny J. So she's probably like, this might be a form of sticking up for herself where she's like, no, fuck. No, you didn't tell me I was paying that back and I'm not doing it. I don't care about the principal. Go fuck yourself. You're not going to control me. And I think that's why she has so many people cheering for her, you know? And you know what? Like,

It's just, if I remember correctly, she's saying it was a gift and he's saying it was a loan. So that's why he wants his money back, which is like, by the way, congratulations, Johnny J. You've just established that like any nice thing you buy for a lady in your life is actually potentially just a loan. So they're always going to have to ask, is this a loan or is this a gift? He's just such a shitty, like low life. It's just, it's like pathetic. I mean,

Yeah. And I think that Shannon at this point should get real petty and she should go through all her receipts and she should sue him for all the money that she quote unquote lent him. And they're like, just let her, you know, just pay the money and then, you know, just leave Shannon alone and you can ride off to the sunset with your girlfriend and have a happy life. And then it cuts to Shannon with her nasal sucker sucking all the boogers out. She's like, I know.

I'm sick to my stomach. And she's like, Archie, Archie, it's time for night, night, get into bed. And so Shannon's just like in her queen size bed with maybe king size with a giant pile of pillows next to her, like an enormous pile of pillows. And Archie's getting in bed with her and it's like 7 p.m. And she's like, all right, well,

Looks like it's time to go to bed. Well, you know, you got your carrot, Archie, so you've been fed. Come sit with me, your carrot giver. You want to sleep with me, Matt? You want to sleep with Mommy? She's like, it's a lot, and I'm alone, but that's my choice because I want to be alone because I don't have my kids at home. We're just alone.

But I have Archie. And it just shows her slowly petting Archie in bed, looking miserable. I was like, oh my God, Jesus Christ with this show. I mean, I would feel worse except it's kind of every scene. It's like the fourth scene of this episode where Shannon's like, ah, yeah. Yeah.

It was so sad. So then next we go back to the dinner party and Shane's like, yeah, so what else was said at this party? Did anybody record it? Can we talk about the elephant in the room, bitch? Oh, are you talking about Ryan and Eddie? Yeah, it's a pretty big elephant. That's two big elephants. Yeah.

Okay, well, when... Yeah, basically, Tamara opens up this topic. Yeah, she's like, yeah, you went on a podcast and you talked really mad shit about me, but not only me. You talked about me as a mom and as a businessman. Why would you come for the children? Why?

And he's like, I'm validated after you treated me that way. Really? You're fucking kidding me? Really? Really? Really? Really? Hold on. Wait, wait. Now, you never talked shit about Eddie being a businessman, Ryan. You never did that. Really? And she's like, what did he say? He said that people came up to you at our gym and talked shit about Eddie. And she's like, no, we never said that. He said it, I did. And we hear the clip.

Where Ryan said, well, when I did hear about Tamara and Eddie, it was nothing positive. Which is so kind of like generic. I don't think that speaks to Eddie as a businessman. I think what is more damning to Eddie as a businessman are the warped floors that cut fitness and those empty shelves.

and the closed nature of the gym. Well, and also you outing your customers and what they're doing with their private lives. That's disgusting. Who would ever go to that gym when you've got somebody on national TV being like, oh, that guy was fucking ladies from my gym. I should be able to go to the gym and not have somebody reporting on who I'm fucking, sir. Well, Cut Fitness was closed by that point, to be fair.

Remember, last season was the death cut. What if your shrink stopped shrinking? And then suddenly they came out with, well, Ben fucked 10 people in the cut fitness. You're like, hey, you were my shrink. Well, it would be interesting if Eddie gets mad at...

at the vault men worker who was like, oh yeah, well, you know, Tamara and Eddie were in here. He's like, that's a violation. If he says that's a violation, then yeah, you're, you know, like turnabout is fair play because ultimately your point, I do agree with your point, which is like, that's shitty of anybody going around talking about a client that way. Yeah, it's unprofessional, you know, no matter which way you cut it. But yeah, he could be like, I hate the vault now because...

Like what would be like, don't out what jackets on what cool jackets I'm going to be wearing on my Harley Davidson and my giant stupid truck. Yeah. Um, okay. So then, um,

Jen, so this is, he did say it. It seems like he did say it, but Tamara's making it into a bigger deal, especially after what she put them through, right? So then Jen and Ryan are insisting that this never happened. And Ryan's like, I talked shit about Eddie and supported him until he talked shit about me. And she's like, oh, he talked shit about you? Oh, no, he didn't. No, he didn't.

And Ryan's like, yeah, you said you were in my backyard for a barbecue and that one of my friends came up to you and said, watch out for Ryan. He goes after married women. Is that what? And Eddie goes, but that's exactly what happened. Okay, well, maybe someone came up to the gym and said that about Ryan. I'm like, this whole thing, like, well, it's true that Tamara and Eddie have. It's still fucking rude and it's gross to be outing people on national TV. And if you don't like that, if you don't like it for yourself, then don't do it to other people. Yeah, I mean, do I believe that?

that Ryan goes after married women. Yeah. A thousand percent. But like, if you're going to get into the weeds about like, how dare you say Eddie is unprofessional? It's like, well, ultimately you did say this about a client at your gym on TV. And if they, and if the argument is like, well, it's the truth. So we're allowed to say it. Okay. But he's allowed to be mad and retaliate. He's allowed to say, I heard that like, okay, you heard that women, um,

You heard that... I think this is actually just what you said. Ryan's allowed to say, if you heard that people say, I go after married women, I'm allowed to say that I heard just things that were not great about you two. And that's so generic. It's so just like, I just didn't hear great things about them. That is actually so...

It's not that it's benign, but it's really not as nasty as it could get. So Eddie's like, well, why would I make that up? And Tamara goes, oh, come on. I mean, Ryan, we all know that you like to fuck married women. It's the news on the street. We can make a list of them. And by the way, Jen was married when he fucked her too. Yeah, but so were you when you met Eddie. So Eddie worked for your ex-husband. I mean, the hypocrisy is ridiculous. Yeah.

Well, let's just assume that's accurate, which it's not. All I know, some dude comes up to me and says, hey, watch out for Joe Blow. He's got a thing for married women, and he's talking about my chick. I'm sitting down with him in that moment and saying, you and I have a problem. He's like, yeah, well, you're not a threat to me, and I guarantee you, you would never have my wife. That's why it's not a big deal. But you guys were supposed to be friends at that time, so why did Eddie not go up to Ryan and say, yo, this person's talking shit about you?

Yeah. I think Eddie's saying because I just assumed it was true, but I didn't care because it wasn't my wife, you know, so who cares? But, you know, you cared enough to say it on TV. So, yeah. And Tamara's like, he's not a little bitch. And then. It cuts to Shane. Oh, she goes, yeah, he didn't say anything to you because he's not a little bitch. And it cuts to Shane like, yeah.

Why are you doing this? Shirley Temple was a tap dancer and also a delicious soda. Tamara, why are you doing this? And thank you so much, by the way. I really love you. Because he's coming after my husband. But you went after him. I told the truth. But why does it matter for you and he? It's always, but I told the truth. So what? You did it in a horrible, mean, vindictive way that hurt the girl that you're talking to right now. He went on a podcast and ripped my

as a mom. I'm like, you literally host a podcast where you do that every single week. We know we were on it with you.

So he's like, I didn't do that. And so we see a clip of the podcast where the podcast host says, I don't know if she's still talking to her children, but she's also had that. And I totally feel like she wants what you guys have because it doesn't seem like she has it in her household. Well, they never said that. The podcast host said that. And then Ryan responded, well, that's a tough one because I don't live under their roof. And the last thing I would want to do is speculate. So he actually kind of stood up for you. Literally.

He literally hedged and didn't even say anything that could be interpreted in that way. And she's like, yeah.

So then now we have some Ryan on Ryan action where Ryan's like, he's like, I didn't go after your son, Ryan. I just reposted a post saying you should stop talking about me and worry about your own Ryan. Oh, you think it's okay to go after kids, little children, little sweet innocent children. I did not say, I said, worry about your own Ryan. That's it. She goes, but you posted a picture about Ryan's dick pic to compare it to your dick pic.

And Emily's like, wait, are you talking about your son? Yeah. It was a picture from when he was about 18 years old, which is probably right around the time I tried to have him get Gretchen so wasted that he could sexually assault her in the bathroom with a body. That was a good one. That was a classic. That was a classic. This is such a stretch. I'm sorry. I don't even remember Ryan, any sort of Ryan dick pic thing. I believe it happened. I'm sure it was the thing we talked about, but like,

I guarantee I would never have. They put this on screen, the post. I never would have looked at that picture of Ryan and thought, oh, yeah, this is this pertains to the dick pic.

Well, there was a link on it that said dick pic or something. So you click the link and I guess because the post said, I guess that basically what the post was saying was stop worrying about Ryan's dick pic and worry about your own son's dick pic. And then it was a link to the son's dick pic. And Ryan saw this and thought it was funny and was like, haha, and retweeted it. So Tamara's like, you're attacking my children now by retweeting that thing, which is just...

I mean, come on. So Ryan is like, yeah, it had nothing to do with her son and some dick pic. I mean, it was like a dick pic. It wasn't a dick pic. It was just directed at Tamara. You know, I don't even know the guy. And she's like, it's like a funny thing. It's like Ryan and Ryan. Yeah. And she, yeah, it's like worry about your own. Ryan is all he saw up according to him. And she's like, well, it's one thing if you want to say something for me, but when you attack my children, it's,

You win, Baker. You win, Baker. Don't talk about my fucking kids because I will go after you if you ever go after my

He goes, I didn't go after him. I said, worry about your own Ryan. This is like Ryan's big defense. And he is. And she's like, that's going after my kid. You fucking bitch. You're a bitch. And Jen's like, why do you, why do you fucking sit there, Eddie? You and I have known each other for so fucking long. I've always supported you. And thank you, by the way, but you know, I've always, but I, and I've always supported that Tamara. Why would you allow this shit? Yeah. And Eddie's like, what am I? A fucking keeper. Yeah.

And Jen's like, no, but this is bullshit. Apparently, by the way, apparently, yes, according to what you were saying to everyone pouring booze tonight. Oh, yeah, that's true.

And Jen, I like that Jen's standing up for herself here. And she's like, no, this is bullshit. I've been nothing but good to you. And Tamara's like, maybe because my husband's not a little bitch. God, dude, it's 2024. I don't, I mean, like, I mean, I get the hypocrisy of me saying something like that, but it's like, come on. I feel like any other housewives, they'd be like,

why would you call why would you say that you you you're being mean to women by saying that or whatever um so she keeps like saying like it's the ultimate

I'm sorry, this or whatever. And Jenna's like, my husband's not a little, I won't say the word. And Emma's like, yeah, I'm trying to calm her down. And Ryan's like, are you really speaking to her like this at your age? Wait a minute. You ain't shaming me. Oh my God. I think one of my kids has just been put in the hospital after they heard that. You've heard my children, my age, shaming me. You're not a bitch. You're not a bitch. You're not a bitch. You're not a bitch. Well, at your age. Are you shaming me?

It's like the moment it just barely comes back to her. What are you doing? Ryan's like, no, I'm just saying.

Like, who speaks like this as an adult at a dinner table? And then I cast him being like, God, Eddie's such a little bitch. Yeah, but that wasn't at the dinner table. So that was a shaky edit. He was doing that off camera to him, you know, like muttering to his girlfriend. So Tamara's like, oh, wow, you're so perfect. You know you've lost the argument when you start going, wow, you're so perfect. Sorry I'm not perfect. I guess you are.

And then she goes, how's the FBI going for you? Which was hilarious to me because it's like, well, she's getting ahead of the story. She's bringing the story onto the show. So Eddie is like, stop, stop, stop. Jen's like, FBI? I don't even know what that stands for. Tamara goes, oh, you don't know anything about the FBI?

Stop. It's not worth it. I'm not your keeper, but I'm going to tell you to stop. Stop. Stop. So Jen's like, FBI, FBI, what are you talking about, Tamara? What are you talking about? Has somebody been following me and I haven't been thanking them? Because that would be so kind to look after me. And Katie's like, oh my God, I don't know what that even means. I'm not in the mob.

Yes, we can tell. You don't know what the FBI is because you're not in the mob? The fuck? Why aren't people letting Katie have confessionals at this point? I know. So then Emily's like, well, I do know that Ryan and this guy are being investigated by the FBI because they go to Vegas a lot. And I mean, how much smoke can there be before there's actually a fucking fire, right?

And yeah, so basically Ryan was raided by the FBI six months prior, which I think we knew about, right? Didn't we know about this raid? I can't remember if we knew or didn't. Yeah, it's come out in the news. He's basically like a bookie, I think. He's doing some kind of bookie money laundering thing. Well, he's accused of doing that. Well, no, he was, I mean, he ultimately, the charges come out or what he's implicated with is this whole thing.

disaster with this Dodgers pitcher, Otani and like, and everything like that. But I think when the raid happened, I don't think we knew what the, what the raid really meant. We just knew that it happened and,

so uh you know what i still honestly don't understand it and here's why it's about sports and i just have that kind of brain that when it turns to sports i don't care like my brain can't pay attention it literally cannot pay attention to it so sorry fbi raids are in right now let me just say something they are in ryan is very on trend yeah we see you in new york good luck coming there

Yeah, between him and Eric Adams and Diddy, I mean, this is really just a great week for raids. People going down. Yeah. So Tamara's like, she's like, I am done. Where's my purse? Give me my purse. So she just starts to storm out, but no one goes after her. And she goes through the producers and stuff.

And then she trips. She's like, I'm going to go by myself. I don't even care. I don't even need a car. And then she trips and then she turns around and sees the camera caught it. She goes, God damn it. She slams the door at the cameras. She pulled a Mickey on that one.

She really did. And Ryan's like, you know what? Tamara takes anybody who's happy and tries to railroad them because she's miserable. Her marriage is a sham. Eddie is soft. He's unemployed. When others are doing well and real love is being shown, she can't handle it because it's everything she doesn't have. And Eddie goes, it doesn't need to be like this. Well, Eddie, you're kind of stirring the pot and lighting the fire. So I don't know why you're acting like you're just some innocent victim in all of this. And also, by the way...

Also, honestly, Eddie, it's your beef with Ryan and you just had Tamara do all the legwork. Yeah. So keep going around calling people a little bitch. Yeah. So then she, the thing of Tamara stumbling out and then slamming the gate on the cameras was so funny. What a way to end this episode. What a great episode.

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