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Jack Smith Makes FINAL DECISION on Trump Dismissal

2024/11/25
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Ben Meiselas: 特别检察官杰克·史密斯提交了一份重要文件,宣布司法部将驳回对唐纳德·特朗普的联邦刑事指控。这份动议基于司法部对宪法的解读,即宪法禁止对在职总统提起联邦指控和进行后续刑事起诉。因此,在特朗普就职总统之前,必须驳回对他的指控。该动议不损害后续起诉的权利,并且得到了辩护律师的同意。此外,本案还涉及海湖庄园文件案,其中还有其他被告,其处理方式可能有所不同。美国法律顾问办公室(OLC)对总统的法律问题提供具有约束力的咨询意见,司法部必须征求其意见。 Ben Meiselas: 杰克·史密斯已经完成了对华盛顿特区案件的所有工作,并准备提交驳回动议。他尽职尽责地完成了他的工作,对案件的延误不应归咎于他。最高法院创造了新的法律原则,并采取措施延误了对特朗普的审判。人们应该关注美国司法系统中存在的严重缺陷。 Karen Friedman Agnifilo: 尽管驳回指控不损害后续起诉的权利,但实际上此案已结束,因为特朗普很可能会自我赦免。杰克·史密斯是一位正直的检察官,他遵守法律规定,即使这对他来说非常困难。此案的驳回对曼哈顿地区检察官办公室的案件可能产生影响,需要进一步观察。

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Why did Special Counsel Jack Smith move to dismiss the federal case against Donald Trump?

The Department of Justice determined that the Constitution prohibits the federal indictment and prosecution of a sitting president, which applies to Trump as he will be inaugurated in 2025.

What is the significance of the dismissal being 'without prejudice'?

It means the case could theoretically be brought again in the future when Trump is no longer president, though in reality, he is likely to pardon himself.

What role did the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) play in the decision to dismiss the case?

OLC provided a binding interpretation of the constitutional prohibition on indicting a sitting president, which the Department of Justice had to follow.

How did Jack Smith's personal integrity influence his handling of the case?

Smith, a career prosecutor with no political agenda, followed the legal mandate despite the difficulty of dismissing a strong case against a former president.

What impact might the dismissal have on the Manhattan DA's case against Trump?

The dismissal could influence the Manhattan DA's office, particularly regarding the supremacy clause and how it applies to state prosecutions, though the specifics remain uncertain.

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The Department of Justice (DOJ) dismissed the federal case against Donald Trump due to a long-standing policy against indicting a sitting president. This decision, based on the Office of Legal Counsel's opinion, applies even when the indictment predates the presidency. The dismissal is without prejudice, suggesting the possibility of future charges.
  • The DOJ dismissed the federal case against Trump due to his upcoming inauguration as president.
  • The dismissal is without prejudice, meaning the case could be revived in the future.
  • The decision was based on the Office of Legal Counsel's opinion, which is binding on the DOJ.
  • The DOJ maintains its belief in the strength of the case despite the dismissal.

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Special counsel Jack Smith just made a major filing in the Washington DC criminal case against Donald Trump announcing that the Department of Justice will be dismissing the criminal case against Donald Trump in federal court. I'd like to read.

for you all, the government's motion to dismiss. And then I want to hear from Karen Friedman Agnifilo, who was previously the number two at the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. This is from the government's motion to dismiss the federal criminal charges against Donald Trump connected with the January 6th insurrection. This case was in Washington, D.C.,

As a result of the election held on November 5th, 2024, the defendant Donald J. Trump will be inaugurated as president on January 20th, 2025. It has long been the position of the Department of Justice that the United States Constitution forbids the federal indictment and subsequent criminal prosecution of a sitting president. But the department and the country have never faced the circumstances here where a federal indictment

against a private citizen has been returned by and a criminal prosecution is already underway when the defendant is elected president. Confronted with this unprecedented situation, the specials consulted with the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel, OLC.

whose interpretation of the constitutional questions such as those raised here is binding on department prosecutors. After careful consideration, the department has determined that OLC's prior opinion concerning the Constitution's prohibition on federal indictment and prosecution of the sitting president apply to this situation and that as a result, this prosecution must be dismissed before the defendant is inaugurated.

That prohibition is categorical and does not turn on the gravity of the crimes charged, the strength of the government's proof, or the merits of the prosecution, which the government stands fully behind. Based on the department's interpretation of the Constitution, the government moves for dismissal,

without prejudice of the superseding indictment under federal rule of criminal procedure 48A, the government has conferred with defense counsel who does not object to this motion. Karen Freeman, I know for your immediate response.

Look, you know, we knew this day was coming. It's such a shame that it has to come. And at a minimum, though, it's I guess if you're looking for any silver lining, they said it's without prejudice, which means that they don't.

theoretically, could bring the case in the future when Donald Trump is no longer president. However, in reality, that'll never happen because he's surely or likely going to pardon himself. The only thing that I thought was slightly odd was that very last sentence that you read where it said the government has conferred with defense counsel who does not object to this motion. And the fact that they wouldn't object, that it's

dismissal without prejudice. That's a term of art, Ben, that they use in the legal world, that you dismiss something either with prejudice or without prejudice. If it's dismissed with prejudice, because only a court can dismiss a case. So this is a motion, you're moving the court, you're asking the court to dismiss the case. And so really this is a joint motion because the defendant doesn't object.

And it's a joint motion to dismiss without prejudice, meaning you could bring it again in the future because if it's a dismissal with prejudice, that's considered double jeopardy. You can no longer bring that in the future. And so for a moment, you'd say, well, why would the defense agree to that? Why would the defense counsel agree to that? You'd think they'd want a dismissal with prejudice. And the answer is, of course, he's going to pardon himself or somehow pardon.

orchestrate something so that that happens. And so that's what's going on here. This case is essentially dead. We knew that would have to happen once Trump is elected. What this means is Jack Smith is already finished wrapping up the case, wrapping up the boxes, categorizing things, filing things.

It means he's written his motion to the, or his report that by statute as special counsel, he has to send over to Merrick Garland. All that's been done. So he's ready today to...

move the court to dismiss it without prejudice. Sure, the court is going to do it and that's where we are. This is with the Washington DC case, the Jan 6 case. And of course, then there's the Mar-a-Lago documents case that was already dismissed, but it's on appeal.

And the question is, will they withdraw the appeal? The reason that one's slightly different is there's two other defendants in that case, right? Waltine Nauta and Carlos de Oliveira. So it's unclear what they'll do there, if they'll move to dismiss the whole case or withdraw the appeal, I should say, with the whole case or just to Donald Trump. One other thing I just wanted to say is for people wondering what's the Office of Legal Counsel or OLC, it's sort of the definitive definition

the definitive law office of the White House. And it provides advisory opinions on what things mean and what things don't mean. They advise the president and it's kind of the law firm of the presidency. And so since this is with respect to a sitting president or a future sitting president or an elected president,

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and karen when you read this motion to dismiss filed by special counsel jack smith you see how reluctant he was like you literally see the tension in his writing as he says the things like you know the gravity of the crime charge the strength of the government's proof the merits of the prosecution that this

should not be construed as in any way conceding that this wasn't anything but one of the strongest possible cases that existed. But we are bound now by this precedent within the department and the constitution that when somebody is elected to the highest office in the land, that the case gets dismissed. I mean, you literally see it jumping off the paper, huh?

Yeah, I agree with you. This is a tortured thing. Look, Jack Smith is somebody who I used to work with many years ago. We both worked at the Manhattan DA's office together. He's always been a prosecutor. He's never been in the private sector. He was a federal prosecutor, then a war crimes prosecutor, now a special prosecutor.

This is something that's clearly very difficult for him to do, to dismiss a case against somebody who he spent the last almost two years compiling an investigation and prosecution into a former sitting president. He brought this four-count indictment, then they had to supersede the indictment. They've been litigating it up and down and sideways. He's had to endure death threats.

And frankly, this is he had to deal with the United States versus Trump case, making the president immune for certain things. I mean, a lot's been going on in this case. And Jack Smith, who's just a prosecutor's prosecutor, he's not someone with an agenda, despite everything.

having worked with him and knowing him, I couldn't tell you what political party he belongs to. He's not a political guy. He's really someone who's a public servant and wants to do the right thing. And you can tell, as you pointed out, Ben, this is torture for him to have to do when you have a serious case.

and you have to dismiss it, you have no choice. But that's Jack Smith, right? He's not gonna wait, he's not gonna just fight it. He's the guy who's gonna do the right thing. And when he is told this is what you have to do, he's going to do it. That's how he is.

He's not someone who's going to claim that this is false or rigged or didn't happen or fight it and then lose in the courts. He's not that guy. He's a guy, he's a man of integrity and he's a public servant and we should all thank him for his service in doing this. You know, I want to remind everybody as well that special counsel Jack Smith is

did everything that he could possibly do, right? I mean, he was called, if you want to blame anyone on the delay of bringing the prosecution, it's definitely not Special Counsel Jack Smith. Special Counsel Jack Smith was brought in. He accepted the assignment when it was given to him. He did everything that he could to expedite

these proceedings, right? He did everything he could, went to the Supreme Court, you all remember back in December of 2023, saying, "Look, this is so critical that you hear these issues on absolute immunity now." The Supreme Court said no.

Then the Supreme Court delayed until the last possible time. And, you know, look, the Supreme Court created an entirely new legal doctrine for Donald Trump that never existed in legal textbooks before called absolute immunity. And not only did they make that ruling, but you got to go back to how the Supreme Court

really structured, it's a nice way of putting it, their calendar to make sure that all possible delays could be afforded to Donald Trump. And I understand that there's a lot of people, though, who will and have expressed frustration at Merrick Garland. And I think we'll do that in another video, perhaps.

But in terms of Jack Smith's role, Jack Smith was called to duty. He came over here from being a war crimes prosecutor, did his job, was aggressive, did everything that was asked of him. One where it came to all of the legal arguments he could control. But ultimately, I think people are seeing here the profound flaws in a person

different tier justice system and it's not the type of different tier justice system that Trump and MAGA rails on when they're the beneficiaries of that over and over again. Karen, last words from you.

Yeah, look, you know, we still, I'm still wondering what this means for the Manhattan DA case and what, how they're going to interpret this. Because one of the things this talks about is this isn't just the indictment, but it's also the prosecution. And the supremacy clause also apply, will make whatever decision the OLC says apply to the states, meaning the Manhattan DA's office. I think because the prosecution's over and it's just time for sentencing,

Hopefully that will be a different analysis, but that was my first question is what does this mean for the Manhattan DA's office? So I'm sure we'll find out in the coming weeks. - Everybody please hit subscribe. Let's try to get to 4 million subscribers here. Getting accurate.

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