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98\. The Cases That Keep Us Up At Night // The Parlor (feat. Psychopedia)

2025/1/7
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@Kayla Moore : 本期节目探讨了真实犯罪播客Psychopedia的内容,其主题比Heart Starts Pounding更黑暗,涉及连环杀手的犯罪心理和一些令他们难以忘怀的案件。 @Investigator Slater : Psychopedia节目的案例选择基于直觉和听众反馈,既有近期热门案件,也有年代久远的案件。她日常工作是调查成年后才报告的儿童性虐待案件,主要针对大型机构,例如天主教会、监狱系统和美国童子军等。 Investigator Slater: 虽然不为罪犯开脱,但研究罪犯的背景有助于理解导致他们走向极端行为的原因,这通常是先天和后天因素共同作用的结果,例如子宫内创伤性脑损伤(TBI)/慢性创伤性脑病(CTE)等。但最终决定走向犯罪的是他们自身的选择,他们必须为自己的行为负责。 @Tank : 讨论了几个具体的案例,包括“巴西德克斯特”(目标导向型连环杀手)、“剪刀姐妹”(自卫杀人但肢解尸体加剧了犯罪性质),以及韩国Chi-Jong家族(因社会财富差距而犯罪,受当时香港电影影响)。 Investigator Slater: 讲述了其律师事务所处理的大量针对天主教会、监狱系统和美国童子军的性侵犯案件,致力于为受害者争取正义,揭露机构性侵犯的普遍性。 Investigator Slater: 讨论了机构性侵犯的受害者,他们通常来自破碎家庭,容易受到施害者的操控和利用,并长期遭受心理创伤。 Investigator Slater: 分享了处理案件的心路历程,强调了在为受害者争取正义的同时,也需要关注自身的心理健康。 Kayla Moore: 讨论了受害者在极端情况下展现出的惊人求生能力,以及一些超自然现象(例如第三人综合征)在求生过程中的作用。 Tank: 分享了个人经历,包括曾经被警察拦下,但最终被放行的经历,以及这对他戒酒的影响。 Investigator Slater: 分享了处理案件的心路历程,强调了在为受害者争取正义的同时,也需要关注自身的心理健康,并通过写作等方式进行情绪疏导。 Tank: 讨论了罪犯与普通人的相似性,强调罪犯并非怪物,而是普通人,这更令人恐惧。 Investigator Slater: 讨论了罪犯成长环境中母亲的影响,以及环境因素与犯罪行为之间的复杂关系。 Kayla Moore: 讨论了受害者在极端情况下展现出的惊人求生能力,以及一些超自然现象(例如第三人综合征)在求生过程中的作用。

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Key Insights

Why do Tank and Slater choose to cover particularly dark true crime cases on their podcast, Psychopedia?

They select cases based on gut instinct, listener feedback, current headlines, or a desire to explore older cases. Their focus often lands on darker cases due to a shared fascination with the psychology of killers and the complex factors that contribute to their depravity.

What is Investigator Slater's professional background and how does it relate to the Psychopedia podcast?

Slater works as an investigator for his family's law firm, specializing in representing survivors of childhood sexual abuse. The firm handles cases against institutions like the Catholic Church, the prison system, and the Boy Scouts of America. This professional experience informs Slater's work on Psychopedia, providing insights into the complexities of abuse and its impact on individuals.

What criteria define a serial killer?

A serial killer is defined by having three or more victims with a cooling-off period between the killings.

What is the difference between a process killer and a product killer?

A process killer finds gratification in the act of murder itself. A product killer is motivated by what they can do with the body after the killing, the body being the "product" of the murder.

What is the story of the "Scissor Sisters" case?

Two sisters in Ireland killed and dismembered a man who had been raping their mother and threatened to kill her. The sisters claimed self-defense, arguing they believed their mother's life was in imminent danger. They panicked after the killing and dismembered the body in an attempt to hide it. They received different prison sentences based on their individual involvement in the murder and cover-up.

What investigative work does Slater's law firm undertake in cases of institutional sexual abuse?

The firm investigates institutions like the Catholic Church to uncover patterns of abuse and cover-ups, often tracing the movement of perpetrators between locations. They connect the dots, proving the extent of the abuse and the involvement of those who enabled it, aiming to hold these institutions accountable.

Why does institutional sexual abuse often go unreported, especially in cases involving the church?

Victims, particularly children, may lack the vocabulary to articulate their experiences, especially given the taboo nature of the subject. Abusers often target vulnerable children from unstable backgrounds, and they may exploit their authority and groom their victims, making it harder for children to speak out. Furthermore, the church's authority and the concept of "God's will" can be used to manipulate and silence victims.

How does Slater cope with the emotional toll of working with survivors of abuse and covering dark true crime cases?

Slater finds solace in the belief that she is on the "right side" of things, helping survivors seek justice and shedding light on pervasive issues. She is passionate about giving victims a voice and exposing the factors that contribute to such crimes, with the hope of preventing future occurrences. The firm also prioritizes staff mental health with initiatives like yoga and mental health days.

How does Tank relate to the perpetrators covered on Psychopedia?

Tank experiences intrusive thoughts and acknowledges the unsettling realization that perpetrators are not monsters but human beings, making their actions even more terrifying. He emphasizes the importance of his own upbringing and the role it played in preventing him from going down a similar path.

What is the "Third Man Syndrome" and how does it relate to survival instincts?

The Third Man Syndrome describes the phenomenon of people in life-or-death situations hearing a voice or seeing a figure that guides them to safety. Often, these figures are identified as deceased loved ones or even as EMTs who were not actually present. This phenomenon suggests a potential supernatural or subconscious survival instinct kicking in during moments of extreme stress.

Chapters
The episode starts with an introduction by Kayla Moore, the host, setting the stage for a darker than usual episode. Tank and Investigator Slater from the Psychopedia podcast join her to discuss true crime cases that still haunt them. They explore the psychology of killers and delve into the cases that have impacted them the most, highlighting the complexities of the human psyche and the factors that contribute to criminal behavior.
  • Discussion of the psychology of killers and the factors contributing to their actions
  • Mention of several cases with detailed analysis, including the Brazilian Dexter case and the Scissor Sisters case
  • Exploration of the concept of mission-oriented killers and the ethical dilemmas involved
  • Discussion of the role of traumatic brain injuries and abusive upbringings in shaping criminal behavior

Shownotes Transcript

I sit down in the Parlor of the Rogue Detecting Society Headquarters with my good friends Tank and Investigator Slater for a chat. They tell me about some of the cases that keep them up at night, and we chat about Slater's work investigating abuse cases within the Boy Scouts and Catholic Church

Tw: reference to sexual assault, suicide

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