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Or something ridiculous. Holy crap. He was at a game. The guy actually said a racial comment to Bradley about a bet that he lost. Bradley looked at the guy and flipped his hat off. And then two days later, you know, the police were calling saying Bradley's wanted for assault. Holy crap. And then the civil lawsuit was, you know, drafted. And so I was on the front lines of that for a little bit. And then I, you know, once we got the civil thing resolved, then I pass it off to, like, the best criminal guy in town. And then from what I understand, it's all been put to bed now.

All right, guys. Got Dan Morgan here from Morgan & Morgan. Welcome to the show, man. Hey, thanks for having me. Yeah. Is this your first podcast? I've done a few podcasts before. That's the first one in person, though. Okay. It's a first, baby. We're out here in Vegas. UFC's a client? Correct. Yeah, I'm out here in Vegas. I was filming commercials at the Apex Center yesterday with some of the fighters for some content we've got coming out. So, yeah, UFC is a...

They're not a client. They're a partner. Yeah. And you guys have revolutionized the marketing industry on the legal side of things. Yeah. I mean, we've been really trying to push it ever since. My dad, he went on TV in 1988. He was one of the first attorneys to go on TV, at least in Florida. There's some people out west that were doing it already, which you saw. So we kind of brought it there. But ever since then, we've always kind of been trying to push it to do new and exciting things, whether it be sports or business.

influencers and now obviously so social media, you see probably tons of different lawyers on there now that are in your feed. So we definitely try to keep things interesting and go where the eyeballs are. Yeah. You guys even sponsor podcasts. I saw. Oh, lots of podcasts. Yeah. Maybe you're soon. Yeah. No, it's cool though. Cause I don't see any other law firms doing that. Honestly. Well, that's, yeah. I mean, that's kind of me and my team when we kind of were,

to look at where the eyeballs were and really where people were going. You know, you can only have so many commercials on TV. And even now I was thinking when I'm watching TV, I'm watching TV like this, scrolling and looking. So even when you're not hitting them there, you can be hitting them here. So, yeah, I mean, it's been, it's definitely where I think everyone's going is more than social media and podcasts. And when you get the actual readers and the people to do it live in it, like we have like Theo Vaughn and Tim Dillon and, you know,

Bobby Lee and these guys that have like kind of cult followings, their fans hear them vouching for us, saying our name, saying how good we are. They're obviously going to come into the fold as well. And those guys are great too, you know, personally as well. So that's how it all kind of started. I was friends with Theo. Wanted to get in the mix to test, you know, some podcast sponsorships. We tested it. Saw a huge spike in cases. And we're like, let's start doing this with more people. We did Barstool.

Yeah, so we've definitely been leaning into that space a lot. That's huge. And your onboarding process is insane. So basically, people just download an app, and they can have a lawyer ready, right? Pretty much, yeah. We try to make it as easy as possible. That's our slogan. It's easy. But yeah, essentially, you can call. We have pound law, so pound 529 from your cell phone. You can call that. You can sign up. But yeah, you go online, and I think it's eight clicks or less.

Wow. We can get you signed up. Obviously, you have to have a case and be verified. Sometimes you get people that are making up facts and you have to clear those out. But yeah, for the most part, you can get signed up really quick. And that's important, especially in our cases, because...

say you're not represented an insurance company calls you, you can sign something real quick and all of a sudden, you know, you just lost out on everything, not realizing what exactly you, you, you were signing. So we definitely try to get the client sign up quick and let the insurance company know, stop talking to our clients. You got to talk to us now. Yeah. And how do you, how do you feel about insurance companies overall? Uh,

I mean, it's a necessary evil, I guess. I mean, they're definitely doing what needs to be done as far as providing the compensation, things like that. However, the way they go about it typically aren't – they really nickel and dime and delay, delay, delay.

righteous claims too. Like, you know, I think there's times all, there's, there's all the time really where we know, Hey, client has a hundred thousand in medical bills. There's a hundred thousand dollar policy and the insurance company will be like, all right, we'll offer you 40,000. Yeah. You know, and then kind of your, they're always just, you know, you guys can go negotiate your medical bills, get those lower. They always just deny, deny, deny and pay as low as possible.

And I read an article that Warren Buffett put out. He's the owner of Geico. Oh, he is? Oh, yeah, yeah. Geico is Warren Buffett, so that's a lot of where the money comes from. But, yeah, so pretty much his paper to his executives was pretty much the longer we don't pay these claims, we take all that money that should be paid out, we can put that into the market, make the interest on it, and then if the lawsuit takes three or four years to play out, even though that money is paid, we can ride the market for four years. Oh.

And then once we do pay the client, we at least made 8% on our money. So it's kind of that game delay as long as possible. And even now I have...

had a verdict for 2.6 million like three years ago they appealed it they lost the appeal they stole the 2.6 million and progressives like hey we'll pay you a hundred thousand geez even though the verdicts happen and they're still just appealing and denying it and yeah i mean eventually in the os fees and costs and everything you have to keep going through these processes because even when you get a verdict or even when they know they're supposed to pay they still say no you know pretty much make me that's crazy so you could get a verdict for 10 million in the

they'll just take like five, 10 years to pay off. Oh, all the time. Yeah, exactly. And sometimes you'll get a verdict for 10 million and they'll say, all right, we'll pay you five now. And you're like, no. And you're like, all right, well, tell your client to enjoy the three-year appeal process. They're never going to see that money. Holy crap.

If you have an old client, you know, you could have someone in their 90s. They don't really have that time, so you got to just kind of do what you do. You have clients sometimes that know that. They're like, listen, I know I have this great judgment, but I just want this done today. I want X amount in my pocket. Just get it done. And the insurance company know that, too. So they know, like, hey, there's a person on the other side of this that really needs that money. They'll eventually take a 50% discount to get it in their pocket today, especially if they have bills at home and things like that, front burner issues that they've got to handle.

That's crazy. Yeah, that must be frustrating for you guys because you guys have won some huge settlements. Oh, yeah. I mean, we've recovered over, I think now our number is somewhere around $24 billion. Holy crap. Since inception, yes. And that's like 30 years. Yeah, we did $3 billion last year and we're already over to this year. That's insane. Yeah.

Do you ever expect it to get like this? I mean, again, my dad started. So it was actually started in 88. I was born in 89. So I've seen the rise the whole way from Orlando. Then we went to Tampa, then Jacksonville, and then Atlanta. That was our first out of state. So my dad's slogan is grow or die. So he always wants to be improving and growing and getting bigger.

I don't want to say I didn't see it coming, but I was also pretty humbling and amazing to see it all come into kind of fruition. Right. Do you target the major cities? Is that how the growth works? Exactly. Yeah. So, you know, it started off in Florida, um, and we went to Atlanta and then we started going up the East coast, really kind of easy to leapfrog to places where people already kind of know you. Um, so we did New England area. We went to Philly, New York, Boston, um,

kind of DC. And then about six years ago, we made the big hop across to LA. Now we're in LA, Vegas, Arizona. So yeah, we're definitely go to the, the, the higher pop, uh, popular cities. We also look at the laws of the state. So, you know, there's certain states that have terrible laws for attorneys, as far as caps, you know, Vegas, for instance, is one of the worst for medical malpractice. There's really bad caps. So even if, you know, you,

you die, you're at a certain threshold limit, you can't recover more than X. And certain states have that. For instance, in Florida, if you get hit by a city bus, you're capped at $200,000 no matter what. In California, if you're hit by a city bus, it's unlimited money. There's no caps and you're sued in the state of California. So I'd rather be in a state like California with great plaintiff laws

than a state like, you know, Florida has decent planning laws, we just got hit with bad tort reform. When they came in, they tried to gut it and really deny rights to our clients and medical bills and things like that, which insurance companies always do, and they're going into legislation and fighting for more rights for them, less rights for the people. But yeah, we look at good jurisdictions, good markets. You know, Chicago's one that's really big. We're not there yet. We're probably gonna be there soon. Texas, we've been growing. Michigan, we opened two years ago. Detroit has some of the best plaintiff laws in America.

So once we saw they changed those laws, we went up there and been growing. We have like six attorneys now, I think, or five attorneys in Detroit. Nice. Do you have a minimum case value you'll take? No. I mean, for the most part, it has to be a valid case, but we don't look at it and say, hey, you know,

There's a lot of lawyers that say there's not enough property damage or the client only went to the chiropractor. If there's an injury and they were hurt and there was medical bills and it wasn't their fault, we'll definitely take that case. Got it. So there's no minimum, huh? There's no minimum. Sometimes we can go through the process and the

client might've gone to the chiropractor like four or five times. They're like, Hey, I'm not really that hurt anymore. The insurance company might say 2000 bucks. We'll say, Hey, we're going to turn this case down. You just call the insurance company and settle it yourself. Um, in those instances, if it's kind of, you know, juice isn't worth, worth the squeeze or time value of money thing. But for the most part, yeah, there's no limits or caps or, uh,

You know, there's some firms out there, you know, I call them the diamond shops. Well, they only take a catastrophic, you know, leg off type of case. That's all they do. But they're really good at that. And they have, you know, 60 cases in their inventory. And that's all they do every day are those really high value ones. So if they get one great one, it pays for the year. You know, we're kind of a mix of that. We have obviously...

I think we had a verdict two weeks ago for $25 million. And we had another, you know, we settled cases for $10K all day in Florida as well. So there's really no threshold. Yeah. And do you do everything in-house or do you outsource a lot of cases? We do. So personal injuries all in-house. So car accidents, slip and falls, anything done, you know, anything that was – you were injured is all in-house.

State by state, it varies. Like medical malpractice, we're in Florida, we're in Atlanta. Those are the only ones we really do the medical malpractice in. We're in employment law across the country. But for the most part, if it's not our niche or our area, we have a crazy network of referral partners. That's actually what I'm kind of in charge of now is our referral network. So any case, any state, if we can't help you out, we get you to the best people that can. Got it. Have you done any big profile celebrity cases? No.

I have. I mean, even on – I'm actually a basketball agent as well. Oh, nice. So I've been in that space a little bit. So I've done some stuff like criminal defense stuff for some – like Bradley Beal got an incident in Florida where he flipped the guy's hat off and the guy tried to sue him for intentional infliction of emotional distress. Wow. He was going after Bradley for like – Flipping a hat? For like $8 million or something ridiculous. Holy crap. He was at a game. The guy actually said –

a racial comment to Bradley about a bet that he lost. Bradley looked at the guy and flipped his hat off. And then two days later, you know, the police were calling saying Bradley's wanted for assault. Holy crap. And then a civil lawsuit was, you know, drafted. And so I was on the front lines of that for a little bit. And then I, you know, once we got the civil thing resolved, then I passed it off to like the best criminal guy in town. And then...

From what I understand, it's all been put to bed now. But I mean, yeah, there's been different celebrity stuff. We actually were involved in the guy. We represented the guy that got punched by Mike Tyson on the plane. Oh, I saw that. So we represented him. That was a bad one. Yeah, it was. But Mike's been good about it. He

We're on good terms with him. We actually sponsor his podcast. It's cool to see him. He knows he was in the wrong, obviously, and we're working through that. There's been different ones. 50 Cent, we have a case right now. He threw a mic at a girl's head. He said the mic wasn't working. He didn't see her. He threw it down and it busted open and gave her stitches.

But, yeah, we see all types of different cases. Yeah, if you're a celebrity, you're just going to be targeted no matter what. I feel like every year is a lawsuit. Exactly. I was talking to someone. I'm not going to say his name, but he's on a TV show right now, and he has some stuff that's coming after him. And he's like, if I wasn't me, this wouldn't be happening. And I was like, not only that, but people think I have all this money. They're asking me for millions of dollars, and I got six figures in my bank account. But they think he's a celebrity. They think he's a target. He did something stupid that, you know.

Wasn't a level to a crime, but now they're going to go and just sue this guy and try to get a money back real quick. Nuts. And you could sue people for anything these days. Pretty much. I mean, that's what I always tell people. There needs to be a claim. I get that question a lot in different pockets. Can you just sue for anything? I mean, technically, yes. How long does it stay in the court systems? It's probably not long. If it really just has no merit to it at all, you're going to file a motion to dismiss. The judge is going to see it and dismiss it. But for the most part, as long as you have like 500 bucks cash and a computer, you can file anything.

law that's anywhere yeah you could file it yourself you don't even need a lawyer i mean for the most part small claims courts all that type of stuff yeah you can definitely go in and and get it going wow that's nuts yeah even myself i'm getting involved in legal i'm not even a celebrity but like a couple a year oh i'm sure yeah or you might say something on a podcast or hey this or that and i feel like defamation or libel or yeah i feel like i try to do really good business people but just just being in public figure i guess you know your target exactly it's nuts did you follow the trump case

I've been watching it, yeah. I feel like it's one that shouldn't have – it's kind of wasting a lot of judicial resources. But I've been following it. I mean, it kind of is what it was. It was kind of black letter type stuff, strict liability law, they call it. It's like there's no wiggle room. It's just this happened to that happened to that happened, then it's done. But, yeah, I've been following. I followed it a little bit, the one, the hush money. I know there's a few other ones that are lingering that are a little bit more significant than that one. So what's the problem with hush money legally? So I get –

Really what it was, it was an NDA, and there really is nothing wrong with an NDA. The problem was the way that he labeled the money for tax purposes, I guess. He wrote it off. Exactly. There's another, I guess, felony attached to it as well that since he did an inferference of an election...

That's where it got to. So if he wasn't running for president, none of this would have ever happened. Wow. Yeah, for the most part. That's crazy. It felt really targeted. Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, it was, you know, in both sides going on, he's got the Hunter Biden. You know, he just got convicted of the gun charges as well. So there's definitely tons. That was shocking to me.

Yeah. I mean, that took a while. The, the political judicial system is definitely being weaponized right now by both sides. It's not good to see it because, you know, all of a sudden this is going to start happening. You're going to start suing people left and right and losing merits. I'm hoping after the next, you know, get through this election and get some more normalcy back in America. Yeah. Do you feel like it's pretty fair overall, the system, the legal system? I think the system's right. I mean, I,

I was watching Trump in the way, you know, he was going off on the judge. I mean, the judge was, in my opinion, he did, he was playing by the book and doing the rules. And I mean, obviously he was giving some rulings that weren't great to Trump, but there were, you know, rulings that were kind of, again, black letter law. This is what it is. And he gave some good rulings to Trump, but you know, um,

So I think the way it played out, it was a good trial. Same with the Hunter trial. Their witnesses were allowed. The judge made the right rulings on which ones weren't and which ones were. But yeah, for the most part, I think the system's right. You're always going to get bad results. I mean, I've had verdicts where I've had a case, appeals right now where I thought I should have won, and the jury just doesn't see it your way. I had a case where we were asking for around like,

somewhere around a million. The defense said the case is only worth $50,000, and the jury said zero. So we had the defense saying to give our client $50,000, and the jury still said nothing. So it does happen all the time. You're not always going to get it right, but I think for the most part, it's probably the best system we got going comparatively anywhere in the world as well. Yeah, because you could have a black and white case, and all it takes is one guy on the jury, right, to mess that up. Exactly.

Exactly. And that's crazy to me because personal bias, you know what I mean? And you do a good job in different states. Like Florida, you do the jury selection, avoid dire. You go in and you ask a lot of questions to figure out that bias. But in other states like Pennsylvania, you get like five minutes of that. So you really can't figure out who's what. And you got sleeping giants or people that are sleeping saying –

I don't have any bias. Meanwhile, they're like, I can't wait to get on this jury and either give this person a bunch of money or make sure this person gets no money. But they're like, who doesn't like attorneys? I'm fine. You'll go on their Facebook sometimes doing the research and it'll be like, Morgan and Morgan, I'm in court right now. I'm about to zip them and things like that. We've caught juries really doing that before.

Wow. Where they get dismissed, obviously, pretty quickly. But they'll just sit there, lie in wait, try to get on the jury, and then zip you. Yeah. That's tough, man. Oh, yeah, for sure. Wow. Yeah, these days, you've got to be careful what you're posting, too. Oh, definitely. Oh, yeah. People – and there was someone, I think –

It came up in the Trump trial, actually. I think they're investigating it right now. But I saw someone on a Facebook post or someone said, oh, my cousin's on this jury. They told me over the weekend they're convicting him, you know, when the trial was still going on. The judge saw the post and actually told Trump's attorneys about it after the fact. So I think there's an appeal process going on. Yeah, exactly. That's nuts. People are watching everything now. Oh, yeah. I remember when my car got broken into and I was supposed to get like 50K from Lemonade, but I had this one photo on my Twitter, I think, of...

I did a business transaction in the car. Yeah. And that, because of that, I lost the money. Oh my God. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that was just dumb. Cause I sold, I used to sell sports cards and I had a bunch in my backseat. Yeah. And they were saying there's a business car or something. Yeah. And they only cover personal. Oh geez. So.

Yeah, you got to be real careful. And then the insurance company, oh, here's a line here, here's a line there. And even if you probably didn't get an attorney involved or anything, did you accept it? I actually did. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, we ended up getting 5K instead of 50, basically. But yeah, exactly. And even then they'll be like, no, this is just a law. And then say you didn't get an attorney. You're like, well, I guess that's what they're telling me. So it is what it is. And I'll sign off not knowing that there could be some recourse there. But definitely, they'll find loopholes all the time. Uber drivers, oh, you were driving for personal, you're driving for public. All right, that way.

We're denying your coverage. Uber denies. Your personal denies. Now there's no coverage on either side. Yeah. Did you always want to become a lawyer growing up? I actually didn't. My dad says I went to law school under duress. Oh, wow. Yeah, but I wanted to be a sports agent. I am a basketball agent. I worked for Mark Cuban when I was in law school. Nice. At the Mavericks? Well, actually, yeah. I met Mark Cuban. I was at a Barack Obama fundraiser.

I was like one of the youngest kids there. Mark was there. He was actually bartending for it. What? Yeah, exactly. He was like a celeb bartender. It was Mark Cuban. It was at Vince Carter's house in Orlando. Wow. During All-Star, like Orlando All-Star or whatever that was. Like, you know, I was still going into law school, so I'm...

12 years ago, 13, 14 years ago. But yeah, Mark was there. It was whenever Barack was going for his reelection. And he was like, what are you doing here? You're the youngest kid in here. I was like, oh, my dad is a bundler. He's helping out with the campaign. And he's like, I hate to be this guy, but what are you doing after this? And I was like, my buddy, Marcus Jordan, it's Michael Jordan's son. He played at UCF at the time. It's his 21st birthday party tonight. I'm going to go to his party. And Mark's like,

You mind if I tag along with you? I'm a 22-year-old kid. I got Mark Cuban asking to hang out with me in my hometown. I'm like, yeah, I think we can make that work. So we went out. We had a good time.

We started emailing back and forth. I told him I want to kind of sponge him and just learn his business mind. So I didn't work for the Mavericks. I worked for Mark Cuban Companies. So the way, like on Shark Tank, you do a deal, then you don't actually sign the deal. Then it goes to like, you know, you got to make sure that everything they're saying is true. That's what they say. You check the books. So I was working on that kind of division, doing different deal sourcing and, you know, the legal work while I was in law school in those companies. I had a buddy that I lived with in college, Chandler Parsons, that we were hanging out at the time. And he was a free agent during the basketball season.

During the offseason he had two teams that were interested in him and I was talking to Mark on the daily and the Mavericks weren't one of them. I was like, hey, by the way, do you think, would you be interested in Chandler? He's like, yeah, we want him really bad. And I was able to actually get Chandler a few more million dollars than his agent at the time had on the table from the other team. And then that fall and summer his agent hired me. So I went out and worked for Dan Fagan. It was called Relativity.

He's since passed away. So I did that for the first two years. And then when I got out, I had job offers from both Mark and from the sports agency. And then my dad kind of gave me the opportunities. Like, if you want, you come back. I know you don't want to do this, but I think it's a better path. Money, the way you can kind of grow your brand and still do your sports at the same time. So I kind of launched a boutique sports agency. Was kind of doing that a little bit. Nice. Have a couple guys overseas. Nothing too major. Do legal work for, like, Anthony Edwards is a...

a legal client of mine. I was reviewing contracts for him this morning. He's probably getting some big ones. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He has Chipotle, Bobo's. He had a great year, man. Amazon, Google. You name him, he's getting them right now. It's crazy. Yeah, it's awesome for him, too. They're saying he's the future face of NBA, man. Oh, yeah. I mean, the way I got Anthony, or the way that he kind of came, he's with Bill Duffy. He's his agent, but his manager, his guy that trained him his whole life, called me when I was trying to do the basketball thing.

And he was married to my sister's best friend growing up. She's like, hey, my husband wants to talk to you about he has a basketball kid that he needs some help with. And I called him. I thought it was going to be like, you know, I do these calls all the time. You got a kid that thinks he's going to be so good. I'm like, by the way, what's his name? He's like, Anthony Edwards. I like almost like dropped the number one pick in the draft this year. Yeah, I think I can help. I think I can help you out with that. Yeah, it's definitely been fun. So, no, did I want to be a lawyer at first? No, I kind of was doing that that that lane of sportsman.

business, entrepreneurship. I got into the law in about two, I think it was after my second or third, my second year, had my first trial, got like a 300K win, and I was like hooked. I was like, yeah, this is what I want to do now. Yeah, I bet that was a huge adrenaline rush. Oh, it's the best. You got a taste of it.

That's the best feeling. It's like I played sports growing up, so it's definitely the closest that you get to that winning and losing competition. Grinding hard, putting the work in, seeing the results, and knowing I'm great. And then there's a purpose behind it, too, and then you get the clients hugging you and crying and making a difference. Yeah, you're changing people's lives. Oh, it's crazy. The one I'm so mad about right now that the

At 2.6, you know, verdict, my client is a 52-year-old lady that's a receptionist at an eyeglass center, you know, making $12 an hour or whatever it is. And I'm like, she's got all this money. She should be, like, retired and her life should be done. But here's, you know, she's still going through it. So they're just going to keep delaying it. Delaying it, yeah. It was a rear-end accident, two back surgeries. They said that the back surgeries weren't caused by the accident. She never had back problems before, never had an MRI before, you know, and

after the accident, MRI, two herniations, back surgery. Like, oh, it's not from us. Whoa. Exactly. That's their MO. They'll get a doctor, CME doctor, that does like a five-minute examination. Like, this person was not injured in the accident. And they submit that. What? Yeah. So they just pay off the doctor, basically. I don't want to say they pay them off, because that would be illegal. But they're definitely defense-friendly doctors. That is crazy.

Yeah, because I guess if you don't have any proof of before the injury what the back looked like, I guess they're just going to say. Yeah, that's the best. I mean, sometimes you do. You can have a client. I think this stat I saw recently is like the average American gets in like five accidents in their life, unfortunately. Wow, that's hot. It's going down with the driverless cars and all that, but yeah.

So there are times where you have a client that's been with you before. You can have an MRI, and those are great because you can actually show, hey, this is what their spine was five years ago. There's no herniations in the neck at all. There was a bulge here. Here we are five years later, and now the neck's all flared up. The only thing that happened between now and that is they got hit by a semi-tumor.

three months ago. And the insurance company will still say, well, that's just a journey of changes. They're going to get those herniations anyway. It's not from the semi. Got it. So you guys mainly focus on personal injury? Yeah, I mean, that's the bread and butter. That's really where, you know, the majority of our lawyers are. But it's all, you know, workers' compensation, employment law, mass torts, and class actions are really big for us, too. We had a $1.8 billion settlement against Porter. It was a Porter Ranch gas leak.

out in California where pretty much these houses were just being pumped with people getting, you know, gas was going into their house and they're getting headaches and nosebleeds and crazy stuff was going on. So it was a class action where you pretty much just go get, you know, the whole neighborhood goes and gets lawyers. We worked with a few other law firms on it. But yeah, class actions, these data breach cases right now are really big.

incognito. I don't know if you've seen that one that's been going on. I didn't see that. What happened? Pretty much you have the incognito mode where you think like your browser history is not being recorded and all that, but it is the whole time. Exactly. Dude, I use that. Exactly. I use safaris too. You can be a client. We can sign you up. Yeah. I wonder if safari does that. Uh,

I know the Google one's going on pretty, and the signups are crazy. Holy crap. So how did they find out they were tracking on there? I don't know if it was a whistleblower or really what came out, but yeah, essentially they're still just harvesting all your data and whatever you're looking at, and you're collecting that and still selling it off to companies even though you're technically on. It's just kind of a fake safety thing. The Brita one really shocked me. Did you see that one? What was that one? So the Brita water filter, they said they used to...

filter 99% of harmful ingredients. It was nowhere close to that. Yeah, it was nothing. So a huge class action. And I used that in college. Everyone did. I think I have two in my fridge right now. Crazy. Actually, no, I just got the hydrogen. Have you seen that hydrogen pitcher? Oh, the one that shakes the water? It was a Gary Brekka thing. Yeah, Gary Brekka. Have you noticed any results from that? Placebo, maybe, but I've been doing it, but it's been good. Yeah, it's hard to tell. Yeah, exactly. But

But dude, a lot of these claims like Roundup was a big one. Roundup were heavy on that one. Monsanto. Yeah. Those are still going on. These opioid litigation where, you know, we represent a lot of cities and municipalities, the state of Kentucky against the opioid companies. Those are still. So whole cities are going off there. Yeah. Essentially it's like, Hey, you know, you pushed all these pills into our community and now, you know, this city in West Virginia is just a shell of what it was because everyone's, you know, doped up at high and unemployed. So they're,

the cities are suing these manufacturers. They're getting tons of money and then hopefully for prevention. So like, all right, what can we do now? And there's some issues right now where the, you know, who's controlling the money and where's it going? I saw like, you know,

Some cop, like a police department bought like eight Camaros with the opioid litigation. Like, how is this helping the opioid fights and stuff like that? But yeah, but yeah, these cities are able to go and collect against opioid companies. These big pharma companies just build it in their budget though. Oh yeah, they're ready for it. Yeah, there's so many Ozempic lawsuits right now. Yeah, we were actually the first one to file the Ozempic lawsuits. Oh, you were? Yeah, yeah. So yeah, we were first mover in that space. Yeah, pretty much like stomach paralysis. They start taking it and you just, you know, can't go to the bathroom anymore. Holy crap. Yeah.

People are taking it to lose weight and then their stomach's paralyzed. That's nuts, though. Oh, yeah, exactly. And then instead of going to the bathroom, they're like, they have to throw up to get their food out. And it's just like terrible stuff that's going on. I wonder if anyone's gone after the antidepressants like Xanax or...

I mean, I think I'm sure they have the one that I think might is the, you know, the study, like the ADD medications that people were abused. All that type of stuff in college and, you know, the long-term effects. I don't know what it's going to be, but I feel like that can't be great. Yeah. Well, now there's probably brain scans that are seeing the long-term effects 10, 20 years. Exactly. The heart just pumping, you know, your heart's going crazy. Yeah.

15-year-old kid taking 40 milligrams of Vyvanse every morning for, you know, 10 years. I'm sure it was common in law school where you went. It was. I always kind of stayed away from it, luckily. It always gave me bad reactions. It was always like... Same. I thought I was going to die. My heart. I'm just a cold brew guy. Yeah. No Western drugs for me, man. Exactly. What do you got working on next? Any upcoming sponsors or anything fun? Yeah, we got... Like I said, we did the UFC thing. We were out here yesterday doing that. We got...

I'm going to London next week. We've got a horse in the Royal Ascot races, so we have four people racing. Wow. Yeah, we got into that a few years ago. My dad's from Kentucky, so he's always been big into the horse racing scene, so I'm going out there to do that. I think it's on Wednesday, Ultimate Grace and the Queen Mary Stakes. That sounds fun. Wish us luck, yeah. And then as far as the law stuff, it's just a lot of these newer markets, it's really been focusing on growing those markets. So a lot of, I think right now we're looking at doing deals with some of the...

We've been doing more sports deals. So hopefully on the horizon, we have one with the Miami Heat that should be getting done here. Luckily, knock on wood. We got a couple of colleges, teams that we've been looking at. We do the NIL stuff. So we got the football season and all that's going to be coming up here shortly. So we'll definitely be staying busy with all that. Yeah. You guys got to land Kaitlyn Clark. Right. She's hot right now. We have Juju Watkins, who I argue is better than Kaitlyn Clark. Whoa. She's a friend. I don't know if you've followed her. She was a freshman at USC last year, but she's going to be the Michael Jordan of basketball. We got her early. Yeah.

the plan is to keep her. Dang. I honestly thought WNBA was done before Caitlin Clark. Like I thought it was dead. They've been losing money every year, but she's really changed things up. Yeah. She juiced it back up and, uh, it,

Now you turn on ESPN every morning. There's at least like 10, 15 minutes talking about WNBA where before you'd have to go to ESPN The Ocho to get any coverage of it. And the players do not like her, which is weird to me. Oh, I know, right? It's like they're checking her. It's like you should be thanking her for getting more eyeballs. But, you know, that's what happens.

with everything in life. They left her off, yeah. As soon as you get up to the top. I mean, the USA basketball is just ridiculous to leave her off. You know that everyone wants to see her. Even if she's playing five minutes a game, just let her travel the team and let her buy into the program because she's going to hopefully be playing for USA for the next, you know, 16 years. They would have all made more money if they had her on. It makes no sense. Oh, definitely. Endorsements and all that. It's probably just the other players that,

where seniors on there probably, we don't want her on here, blah, blah, blah. It's going to be a distraction. And so you probably have some, I mean, I'm guessing here, but I'm sure you had some leadership of the older players saying, we don't want her here. Yeah.

How lucrative is the horse racing? Was there an ROI on the horses you invested in? So when we invested in it, the guy we were investing with said, imagine that you're taking this money and lighting it on fire. Now, luckily, we have actually made some money and broken even and been able to buy more horses and do it. So we are making ROIs on it. But pretty much every time we make money, we put it back into the program. Got it. Yeah.

But for you guys, it's probably just more of a networking awareness play, right? Yeah, it's networking. It was a dream of my dad to be a part of it. You know, we got the horse's name, like Ultima D and Ultima Grace after my mom and my niece and things like that. So there's all that attached to it too. But yeah, it was more like a passion project for my dad. And then once we got, once my mom fell in love with it, it was game over. Nice.

I feel that. Yeah, you probably have to win a race to make money, right? Exactly, yeah. So the ultimate grace, the race that she won to get into this race was an 80K race. And once she's racing, it's a 200K race. Wow. You kind of keep going up. She's a two-year-old now. And once you get to a four-year-old, then you're in the million-dollar races. Okay. So that's the prime age of a horse, four years old? Three is, I think the derby horses are three.

Kentucky Derby, and they run like three to four is when you want to be hitting your stride. Damn, so you've got a short window. Oh, yeah, but the money is in...

The breeding. So like Ultimate Grace, we had our first horse was Ultimate D. Her baby was Ultimate Grace, but her dad was American Pharaoh, the Triple Crown winner. Wow. So since Ultimate D was a good horse, American Pharaoh's owners reached out to us and said, hey, will you breed Ultimate D with American Pharaoh? They did. And now we got this horse that's killing it. So if she does good, then you can start breeding her babies. So it's like an investment up front and then you keep breeding. Yeah.

American Pharaoh, luckily we didn't have to pay for it since they reached out to us, but to have a child with him if you're a female horse is about $750,000. What? You could sell the babies for that? That's just not even guaranteed it's going to keep either. It's just like the vial of... So if you were smart, you would just buy the best horse and have a kid every year and sell them. Yeah, exactly. That's what the sheiks and all that are doing. If you see, they go to... I'm from Florida, so I'm

Ocala, Florida is like a huge horse place, but they have these giant mansions out there. These like sheiks fly in and buy the best horses. They fly back. Same with Kentucky too. So yeah, they definitely, that's what they do. It's just wait and breed this one with that one. Is it good? Is it not good? But it's all about the lineage. Wow. So the racing's good. It helps cover some costs, but you're really just hoping that if he does win the Kentucky Derby, yeah, it's whatever, a million, two million bucks, but you can be making a million bucks, you know, a week,

A week? I mean, if you're a male horse, yeah. Oh, if you're a male horse. Yeah, that makes sense. Like American Pharaoh has days where he's just got like three girls lined up. Holy crap. He gets massaged. Yeah, I was thinking from a female point of view, but yeah, rather than a male. Oh, yeah, females, exactly. So the females are more valuable as far as that goes, as far as because –

it takes longer to carry the horse while as the male has kind of can do it uh more frequently but yeah so you make more money on the males because of the frequency of it but the women are really who you have to have to make sure the horses are gonna be got it wow that's fascinating i gotta get out to a horse race one of these days oh yeah for sure they'll come out yeah i've never been uh keeneland's awesome that's the one in lexington that we always go to but they're all over you gotta get to one hell yeah dude it's been fun uh where can people find you and potentially hire you guys

So I'm on Instagram at Dan Morgan ESQ for the people.com is our website. You can go there to hire us. We're also for the people is our Instagram for our company Instagram as well.

But yeah, pound 529, like I said, pound laws are cell phone numbers. So you can call that from your cell phone. You're hooked up right with us. Or yeah, just shoot me a DM and I'm happy. I'm always, that's my, I call myself the referral king. So yeah. Cool. We'll link it all below. Thanks for coming on, Den. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Thanks for watching guys as always. See you tomorrow.