Tina Fey
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Yes, I have actually stayed at Airbnbs from time to time. And truth be told, I do really like them. I'm being totally honest right now that I've had great experiences with them. Yeah. I mean, you can have your look at you go get your own place, get your own pool, your own living room. You're not going to walk in an elevator. You're not going to see people when you're walking around in your undergarments. Yeah.

Yes. And if you don't understand what we're talking about, you should go online. What we're saying is you have a house with a kitchen and a bathroom and it's just for you, tailored for you. You liked your Airbnb over a hotel. Yes. And I do think I've had relatives stay nearby and sometimes it's very nice for them to do an Airbnb and have a little house and they're not underfoot. The last thing you want is your house guest to say, excuse me, um,

Where would I find a towel? That's a toughie when it's- Because they're naked? Well, it's like the 1800th time you say, on the towel rack. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, I was going to look there. People don't even think hotels sometimes just go, hey, I'll go there, I'll get an Airbnb. So you won't regret it. Tina Fey. Tina Fey. Yes. Tina Fey. One thing I remember about her, just a quirky little aside-

I was on Oprah, the one and only time with Tina Fey, Chevy chase, Jane Curtin and Tracy Morgan. And, uh,

One thing I remember, they go, Chevy's kind of weird. They asked me to try to really be animated on the show, like just be funny rather than be interviewed because they thought Chevy was kind of quiet or weird. Oh, they wanted you to amp it up. Yeah, yeah, amp it up because we're scared, you know. But anyway, I remember Tina just telling me afterwards she was going to the airport on a regional jet, you know, because when you do Saturday Night Live, Lorne Michaels always had the Paramount jet. Yeah.

But she never went on it because she said it was like a flying car. Scared the shit out of her. The Paramount jet? Yeah. I was fucking jizzing to get on that thing. Well, just a small private jet. Oh, yeah. I got on that thing. I know, because sometimes they're so small. It's like an MRI with wings. You just lay there like...

What you don't want to hear because you can hear stuff you don't hear a commercial jet and I fly commercial all the time. Sorry, first world problem. But is that if there's something wrong, you hear it. So I've been in a private jet, just two guys up front look like they're 26 right out of film. Sorry, aviation school. And then all of a sudden you hear pull up.

Pull up. Oh, I've heard that too. Pull up. Pull up. You know. Have you heard this? Traffic. Traffic. Traffic. Traffic. Pull up. Pull up. Get out of the fucking way. And it was just a sense memory of being in high school, getting busy with a woman. She says, pull out. Pull out. Pull out. That was a joke. That was all that way for that? No, that was an ad lib. It's got a half smile. We have editing capability.

um i would say it is so lovely smart quick on her feet we do voice text sometimes always just casually very funny without trying so love love love talking to her reeks of of intelligence yeah uh and i just did an animated show with her called mulligan and voiced the character and um she was on the zooms a lot so she's really funny has great voices and

And of course, her Sarah Palin moment historically as a match between a person and a character was, you know, maybe the top political...

I did Perot, but I needed a nose and ears and stuff. But she was like... And now you look exactly like Perot. By the way, there's a really good script out for a Perot movie or series on live streaming from a really good writer that they want me to do, but I don't have time. They go, why not? I go, well, I got this podcast with Spade. Cut to Spade running to the audition. Yeah.

Can I finish one time? The King James Brown at the end. Can I finish one time? All right. Tina Fey, let's chat. Tina Fey, the one and only, the lovely Tina Fey. Enjoy our conversation. Thank you.

What are you watching? What are you and Jeff watching when the kids go to sleep? If they do, what's your show? Do you have a show that you share together? If they do. If they do is the operative. Right. They're teenagers, right? So you never know. My older one's 16. I'm going to try one here. And my little one's 10 and she's just like, we're up, right? We're up forever. But we wish that we were up forever.

We're doing this? You're like, no, no. Great British Bake Off is what I'm watching right now. That's what you're watching right now? Well, I will tell you what I've been watching with my kids is I've been watching Baking It. If you like Great British Bake Off, check it out. Baking It hosted by Maya Rudolph and Andy Samberg. Oh,

Oh, really? And do they have contestants that win or lose? Like there's a reality show component? Yeah, it's a reality show. Amy Poehler produces it. It's real sweet. It's sweet natured, like Great British Bake Off. Like nobody's mean or sneaky. I feel like I need to make one. I like that too. I've seen Great British Bake Off. Boy, I wish I had a make fun. Paul Hollywood. So we've entered the phase, like you're talking about, Andy.

Andy and Maya doing that, that all careers have at least five things they're doing simultaneously. There's no more ever, unless you're Tom Cruise.

You just do Mission Impossible and jump on it. Hang on. You do Mission Impossible for seven years. Tina! Like, we did one of your side projects. We might as well promote it. Mulligan, a cartoon that was really fun for me to do with Robert Carlock and Sam Means and Tina. And it'll be on maybe in 2022, later or something. 2022, I think, yeah. Animation takes a long time, it turns out. Yeah, I heard that. But Tina.

I'm going to jump in on the British Bake Off. I'm a little behind because I've got a lag. That's always good for a podcaster. I had an idea for real. I pitched a show where you cook with celebrities. It's so dumb. It's been on. But the good title was, Is This Thing On? Yeah.

Is this thing on? I was good about the oven. Like, is the oven on? Yeah, is the oven on? Oh. It's for people that are on the road that don't know how to cook and they teach them. Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah, right? Yeah. So when I interviewed Kevin Hart for something, I made a joke about his...

weightlifting workout show and I go are you are you working out and he goes no and I go you're not in the workout room whatever yeah and he goes and then someone off camera goes remember you have a youtube show about workout he goes oh no no no yeah yeah yeah no I do I work out I do that he probably knocked out six episodes in a row a year and a half ago yeah well this this is a show well we're doing this podcast but this is also called uh remember when and it's a side show that I'm actually producing and

You're on two shows at once right now. Okay. This is, you know, we got to branch out. It's turning into that. It's like a HFPA junket. Did you ever, were you ever a Star Trek fan, Tina? I, no. I watched a little Star Trek back when there were fewer choices back on TV, but I don't super know it. But now that you get to pick. Well, occasionally they would, this will dovetail to you. Occasionally they have an episode where

William T. Kirk has to testify on a trial. And then the robot voice says all his awards for being such a great... And your thing sounds like that. Faye has won nine Primetime Emmy Awards, three Golden Globe Awards, five Screen Actor Guild Awards, seven Writers Guild Awards, three Producer... And finally they go, enough, enough, enough. Now, of course, Mark Twain. That was a clever way of putting... For the audience who's never heard of you, couching you...

Did you win a Mark Twain lookalike contest or is that wrong? I won a Mark Twain lookalike contest, yeah. Okay, I wrote that. I scribbled that one down. Scribbled that one down. Head writer right out of high school. Yep. Kind of did a mic drop. By the time you came around and got the Mark Twain award, it's like the resume was so fat.

And then you pulled up your socks and did a Broadway show, and you're just going, right? And now it's done. It's all done. Everything's done. I have a question about the Mark Twain Award. Yes, sir. When you win awards... I've got to put makeup on. I'm going to put makeup on. Let's get serious now. Yeah, I'm listening. No, you don't have to. When you... I'll ask Dana. When you win awards... Dana, you've won stuff. Welcome to the empty chair. No. She... What happens is, is it more stressful when you win an award? It's fun to win, but...

Do you have to have a funny speech and how hard is that? Cause you keep winning stuff and it's like, fuck, I got to make a funny speech every time. I do think you, you, um, I'm going to put makeup on while we talk and you tell me if it helped. Of course it's a tutorial. It's a, don't worry. We're never using the video.

I turn off my picture. You can turn off your picture so you don't see it. No, I want to see this fucking shit. Oh God. Well, that looks like a really nice. It's a really nice product. It's a smoother. And by the way, it's not helping. Anyway, um,

The best thing about winning, about winning an awards is leaving the auditorium, right? Cause then you, when you win and then you leave and you go to the press room and you're gone. And then the worst thing about not winning is remaining in the auditorium for the rest of the award. But you do, you do have to try to have a funny speech guys. I'm just putting a little base. You're turning into a different person. She's putting on this makeup. I don't know who she is. I want to get some something on here.

Do you like it when you come out of the limo and they start screaming and you go on the red carpet and there's all those mics and Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina, I know this first world problem. So we're just saying these are experientially challenging.

I mean, I broke out in sweat when I was nominated the first time I was sitting. Lauren was behind me and I thought I might have to go up there. And I literally broke out in a complete soaking sweat of nerves. I didn't win. Thank God. And what Nickelodeon show was that? Slime. One time, because we're just thinking about like, you're talking about, do you have to get a funny speech? One time at SNL, um,

like Steve Martin had stopped by. I don't, he wasn't hosting. He was like there to see Lorne and I was a writer and he had just, so think of that's like super nervous. And then I'm, had just been on Letterman the night before or something. And I was like, Oh, Hey, you were so funny on Letterman. And he said to me, well, you know, you have to kill every time.

And that was like the most chilling. He says it like that. He's like, well, yeah, you just have to kill every time. And I was like, you do? Or can you just be friendly? No, you can't. You kind of have to. After I came off SNL like a rocket and then I had my wilderness years. So I would go on talk shows and I was feeling so small and insecure. Like all my confidence melted in like a weekend. Even for no logical reason.

but then I had to like come out. I, you know, I emulated Martin short where you come out no matter what's going on. Like you're a star. Yeah. Cause I, otherwise I would, and I had to sit up one time. I sat back on Letterman and it's just the souffle went down. I had to be in performance mode, but yeah, I would think what you, you wouldn't have to do that, but I'm kind of like a monkey puppet. I got to get the biscuit, you know? I think anyone, anyone who they associate with comedy is like,

what do you got? Like, you can't just go on there and be like an actress with shiny legs. Like you have to, you have to bring something right. Was for you guys, was doing Letterman as terrifying for you guys as it was for me? Like I would get so terrified. Absolutely. He's right up our alley. I think that's the problem is like, he's so, he was so the one when I was watching it, it was sort of a different form of comedy from loving Carson to, to going Letterman is a whole different vibe. And then if,

You know, if I could make him laugh, just that, that was the scary part, probably for all of us. You just, it's so gross. You just want to make it felt like David can see right through you. And I do think that he laughed a lot.

at not what I was saying, but at the concept that I was trying to land a laugh. And then he would have that great laugh. I don't think he cared what my joke was, but he loved the idea of a comedian. And what I would say to myself for what I said a second ago, when I was in the wings looking and seeing him there in the audience, I would say to myself, don't give this show too much respect because

just to get me back to even, you know, because David didn't want that either. But your appearances are, you know, always seem seemingly very well received. And then you did the famous thing where you took your dress off. Like that's just like one of those indelible, like, okay, no one's ever done that. Googling. That was, yeah, I tried to go out with a bang.

What was it? Was it his last letter? I sort of said to him, because I was trying to think, I was very, very honored to be asked to be a guest in that later.

late run of the show and felt huge pressure. And I thought, well, maybe I could do a bit where it was sort of true as I, you know, he was the last one that was scary. Right. Cause like everyone else now, every touch, I'm like, I'm not scared of Jimmy. I'm not scared of Steph or, you know, right. They're all younger. I'm never on Kimmel cause I'm never there. Like, um, and so I just sort of did a bit about how like, yeah, this is this kind of like lady dress with the tight thing in the heels. Like I'm only doing that for you. I'm not,

I'm not, I will never do that again. I'm like, I'm not going to dress up for Jimmy. It'd be like dressing up for my brother. So this is my last dress. Type dress, all sexy. And I just took the dress off and gave it to him. And I had like a thousand girdles under it. It was, it was not like, it was not like a sexy Barrymore situation, but a lot of space. Did you,

Did you get a lot of response from anybody on that one? I mean, it kind of was something that people would talk about, I assume. I think he didn't mind it, right? He didn't mind it. I think the bit went over and then, you know, I saw like Amy Sedaris the next day or something. She was like, oh, that was good. Whether she meant it or not. What I hate is when a friend gives you a report card for doing something on a show and then they switch mid-word. Like, you know they're going for great. Yeah.

And then they dive to good. Hey, that was great. I mean, I had a great, and then, when they switch, just tell me I suck, but don't in the middle lean it out. Yeah. That was amazing. Now they go like this. I saw you in Letterman and I was like, they go, is that hard? It looks hard. And I go, why does it look hard?

Because you bombed? This one they go, hey, you look like you're having fun. Tina's adding blush. You look like you had a lot of fun out there. You know what, Tina? I feel like a non-visual makeup tutorial might be the future, but it might not. It might be my future. She's putting on blush and some rouge. That's it. One time at a charity thing a long time ago, but when Jimmy and I were still doing Weekend Update, that's how long ago it was. Jimmy, Jimmy. We

I think it was one of Smigel's benefit shows. And Jimmy and I went out and did some bit and we, we did really badly. Like it really bombed. And I remember we came off and Adam Sandler, who I don't really know, but I really love, um, it was up next and he just looked at us and he was like, he couldn't, it gives me bombs. And he's like, good hustle, good hustle. And it's one of my favorite things ever. Cause it was just like the nicest possible.

thing he could say. He was like, you tried. Well, you didn't let the flag touch the ground. I mean, you don't want to turn on the audience or get pouty or let them know this is really awful unless you do break the fourth wall. I think Letterman likes knowing you came loaded. At least you're trying. I don't think he likes me walk out there with nothing and go. I don't think it's a dirty secret that

I didn't know when I watched talk shows that there was some prep. I just thought, oh, you just got there and be funny. Everyone's pretty good at it. And then they go, oh, here's a 45 minute call of every funny thing that's happened in your life. And then we will whittle it down to six. Yeah.

And they always whittle out the ones I like and they go, we're going to, we pushed that one to the end, but I feel like that's a good one if we go 40 minutes. And I go, well, that's my favorite one. They go, um, actually in Letterman, he used to talk about my dad. I have a deadbeat dad. And he goes, his name's Peewee. And he just thought he was so interested in it. So then he goes, hey, because one time Peewee came and he goes, I hear your dad's here. And I go, yeah, good.

Because I always talked about what a load he was, you know, because he only buzzed around when I got famous. So I go, yeah, he's here. And he goes, he's in the green room. And I go, yeah. And they cut to him and they have a showgirl sitting next to him. And they just hired a showgirl to sit next to him like an extra. And then he puts his hand on her leg and she's like, hey. And I was like, don't make up stuff. Don't add to it. What does a showgirl look like? I mean, what do you mean a showgirl? Well, they had her in a whole headdress. Oh, a headdress. She's like Taylor Jones. It's like that SNL trick where they have people walking around. So, of course, they...

put this pretty girl and then he's like hey and then he next time I come on they come back and they go okay you're on about five minutes you have all your garbage you're gonna do and I go yeah and they go yeah I got a new dog and all this stupid shit and they go oh yeah he wants to ask you about pee with your dad I go yeah

I go, yeah, I don't know anything on that this time. Remember I sent you this stuff? They go, yeah, he's going to start with that. And I go, well, so then I got, they're like, I see Biff over there going, let's go. I go, well, what do I say? So I just bought my dad, I bought him a condo because he always comes up with investment ideas. So he goes, Davey, I got a great investment for you. I think I'm going to let you buy me a condo. And I go, I don't know. I go,

I go, that's an investment for me. And he goes, yeah, hey, they're not making any more condos. I go, I think that's land. And he goes, no, it's condos. I go, well, with that kind of pitch. My dad forgot my name. I found out later it was land and I got tricked. By the time my dad was in his 80s, he couldn't remember my name and I've got four siblings. And he goes, hey, have you seen money? And they go, money? You mean Dana? Who the hell's Dana? I need some money for money.

Anyway, we're not bitter, Tina. But anyway, my point is this. How do your relatives handle your success? From mousy schoolgirl to mousy star. To mousy. Yes. Now, Tina, I have a real question. When you're the head writer, I'm reading this. When you're the head writer, is it just a lot of hiding? Hiding.

It's, uh, you can't hide because everybody wants to ask you everything. Yeah. On Tuesday nights, usually if you had one thing you wanted to write yourself, people actually had an idea and you'd have to hide from people to try to write something. But like, I think being a head writer is just about like in

embracing shame and just being like okay this thing that I would never pick I'm gonna try to help it and then I'm gonna get yelled at about it and then my friends are gonna be like good job on that thing and I wasn't you let that turn through so the whole show is on your shoulders

Well, Downey used to hide from us all the time. He'd lock the door and then I'd knock and then he goes, do you want to go eat? And I go, sure, I'll do anything just to get in the same room. And then we go eat and he wants to talk about anything but the show. And then you get back and then he locks it again. I'm like knocking and I see Schneider cut in front of me. I'm next. If you got to hold a Downey at 1045, literally the show's at 1130. We got a Hans and Franz. We need some holes plugged. At 1045, Downey turns into a genius actor.

For 10 minutes, he just gives you a lot because there's no more procrastinating. But he's brilliant. Yeah, he really takes it to the wire. By the time I got there, Downey's presence was mostly like a locked office full of abandoned, unopened Christmas presents. Carts and things. Nine years of Christmas presents that either were given to him or were supposed to go to his own family. I don't know. I didn't know him that well. I don't know him that well.

that one. Yeah, if you get a few minutes, I mean, I don't want to talk about you, but if you got a few minutes with Downey, it was worth it because 2.30 in the morning goes, I would probably take the ending this way. And then you go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then that's all you needed. And then you go. There's something really funny about, there's something really funny about, he'd always say that. There's something really funny about, hold up the page. I always, when I came back, they always said, we'll do a church lady,

And it's not like my favorite thing I've ever done, but it blew up because of whatever reason, you know. And so I think when I first guest hosted with you, and you're a writer, head writer, you were assigned to work on church chat with me. And then like eight years later, I did another church. You'll do church chat this week. And then I did a whole thing with Seth, another church chat. So I don't want to say which one's my favorite, but you guys are both great. I mean,

Probably. Well, he would do the character a lot. He would write as doing the impression of the character. Wow. Yeah. Then he'd crack like a, you know, kind of a Molson light and he'd be like relaxed. Who, I don't remember who were your, who, do you remember who were the character guests on the church chat that,

when you did that time? Boy, and that would be a tough one. I mean, I remember doing George Bush Sr. was another one that would come out of the box for a while. And then Will as Jr. And Will's 6'4", 230. I'm 5'8", 150. And he had to sit on my lap. Yes. And that was really interesting. Yeah, because I had really huge lifts so I could look as tall. But anyway.

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that I remember, but then I looked them up today. And you can comment on them just as a performer or whatever you were in the writing realm of them. - Whatever jumps out at you. - Okay. - Were you just a performer or were you in the writing? 'Cause it feels like there's a lot of your signature kind of thing. Okay, meet my future wife.

Meet my future wife. Yeah. So that was an idea that we brought in. That's what I got to mostly just be a performer on that. Amy and I were hosting and a guy, uh, I know this guy, Andrew Breedis was like, I have this idea for a sketch. And I was like, let's get you paid for that sketch, my friend. And so, and then, and forgive me, I'd have to look up who actually wrote it up was two writers at the show. So that one was like a real gift. Right.

But Amy and I did bring a lot of ideas, but yeah, they, oh gosh, I feel so bad that I can't remember if it was. Dude, that was airtight. That one is like beginning, middle, end. And then they had the ending. It's really tough to get a twist at the end with the, yeah. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't write it. And I, I really, really hope that people just think I did for the rest of my life. But I can't remember. I still do. Assume your fingerprints are on it. Okay. Mom's jeans. Mom jeans. I did write. I did write. I got it. I,

I thought so. Fucking A. That is hysterical. There's a J.Crew in the lobby of Rockport Center. It was one of those things where I was writing that. I had to go somewhere. I had to go down and buy a pair of jeans in the building. It sounds like it's a story about me pooping my pants. It's not. But I had to go and get a pair of jeans. And I bought these really terrible jeans. And that was it. And we just did that. And I remember Jim Signorelli filmed it. And then he was like, we got to take this song out. And I was like, no, no, no. I think the song is...

I think the jingle is important, Jim. It was perfect. And my wife and I used to, not even mom jeans, but we'd see the mom sometimes. And I would, as a joke, say she's closed for business. Like, in other words, her relationship is asexual at this point. And so, and I saw a lot of those highway sexes.

but that was just like a perfect hysterical thing. All right. You know, jeans are just funny. Hang on, Dana. Jeans are such a funny area. I don't know why, but like we did bad idea jeans. Dana, I think you were in that. I was just going to say, by the way, that I say bad idea jeans all the time.

When you see her a bad idea, I do too. Bad idea jeans. And then of course I tried to show it to my teenager and you can't show anything from like even beyond like last year. That's not because there's always something that's like Gen Z is like, that's not okay. I'm like, I know that's not okay, but it's so funny though. It's so funny. Bad idea jeans. We did three, three legged jeans. That was with Senior Ellie too. We were always out on some commercial shoot. Commercial shoots are fun when they aired, but they're not fun to do because it ruins your week. You're like, okay,

Monday you have a 6 a.m. I'm like, what? They do so many fun takes now. They do them on Friday now. Oh, really? All day into the night on Friday. It's rough. The poor host does not know what they're getting fucking into, that's for sure. Yeah. They yank them every which way. I can't believe they can handle it. Even as a host when I went back, it was so much harder than I thought. I go, oh, I know this. I didn't know. I knew nothing. I've only been in three sketches max my whole career. So I go, I was in 13. I was in update. Your nickname is 3Maxx.

I know, but that's not why. But I had to be up day. I had to be cold open. I had to be in a pre-take. I didn't like, do you, what's the difference? What's the difference for you, Tina, when you were a cast member and then you come back and you host? I mean, to me, I found it absolutely exhausting, but what do you? Yeah, it's exhausting. And I, for me, it was like, oh, all the same behaviors that you swear you're not going to do as a host. You immediately are like super worried about the monologue and like,

kind of like you get way more nervous than like especially the first time I did it like just nervous and like

Yeah. Like really keyed up about the monologue, really tired. Like it's, you know, all the things that. Well, you're a writer. And if you go in there, like I write, Dan writes. So when you're a regular host, it's horrible enough. But when you're eyeballing the writing going, ah, this one I know isn't there yet. And you're like, it's got through, but this one needs the most work. And you're out there on the air show going, oh, right. We never even looked at this.

Yeah. This is just the way it is. You can't get to put out the fires. You're like, that one, I feel like we should tighten the middle. Or can I, you say that. But then you're like, they're like 30 seconds. Yeah. But you have that long dinner that you go to as well. Sorry. And when you normally be working on that Tuesday night dinner, that's like four hours. I really got to go. Marcy comes around. They want you. Lauren wants you to go to Orso. I go, oh, I was going to. He wants you to go. I go, all right.

So Tina, go ahead. Or Shoemaker would tell me. They tell me to go to Orso and then I go. You get to have dinner with the host, which is fun, but you lose three years of your life because you can't write. You have to stay longer. Yeah. The other thing when you host and you go back is if you've been a writer there, when you sit in that Monday pitch meeting and you can tell it's all live, all fake pitches, it's

Don't peek on Monday. Yeah. Fake pitch. You go, you're giving me this fucking bullshit. I know the fucking secrets. Yeah. Oh boy. Can you remember a fake pitch? I have one for Tina right now. Yeah. Okay.

Caveman Afraid of Caves. You'll play the cave girl. J.B. Smoove pitched the same fake pitch for like two years and he killed with it every week. Oh, I'm sure. Well, then it became a running thing, right? Yeah. It was a pitch for, it's an all-day cigarette. I will refrain from imitating J.B. It was an all-day cigarette. It's

This long. You smoke it all day and the ash gets like this long. How's it? It's so hard to even do. You're like, how do we even do that? But everyone just laughs. Funny idea. Do they still do this thing where they go, like, let's say it was, you know, Paul Rudd. And then they go, Paul Rudd's here. And then everyone goes, next week, Sharon Stone. Yay. I think you were there in meaner times. They don't do that anymore. That is meaner because the host right away goes, what the fuck?

Yeah. Fuck. Okay. Brownie husband. They did that when you were there. Oh yeah. Brownie husband. Go to Brownie husband. I mean, that thing is crazy. Oh yeah. And that was, I was just the host. So that was, um, oh boy, I can see her face. It was a woman writer and curly hair. No, it wasn't. I'm sketching her, but Brownie husband and you go with it without nuts. I mean, it was actually long for a commercial parody, but it was funny. It was like two minutes.

But when you chewed on the torso, so the people haven't seen it. It's a giant brownie little man. And Tina is basically just it's her sexual partner or whatever. And then. Yeah.

When the liquid chocolate comes out and you're just like diving into the meat system. So you had to, were you someplace else? Was that methody or is it just like. I feel like one of the few specialties I have as an actor is on camera eating. Like a lot of people avoid it and I'll tear into some food on camera. People don't know how hard it is to take after taking. Like Jack Nicholson was the best at eating. Yeah.

There's a bit, Anna Gassar and Rachel Dratch have this fake Hallmark Christmas movie out right now on Comedy Central and one of my favorite bits in it is there's, it's really funny. The actress who's playing like the pretty,

pretty ingenuously it has like a chicken leg and she just keeps going like this like not eating it and it really made me laugh because that's all you do when you see it on camera usually it's just like just go to great lengths to never eat it um but yes brownie husband is based on those kind of commercials where it would be this like a decadent chocolate dessert was like geared for lonely women would be like a you know like a hot chocolate bowl for one they're like so sad yeah went to the so grim is the best word

Oh, wait, let me see. Oh, yeah. When I was thinking of my friend's daughter has this guy and I was thinking if you were starting now,

obviously we'd all be writing for memes, but if we were starting now, my, my friends thought, I know I brought this up because Instagram and everything, she said, Oh, I'm dating this guy and he's so funny. And so I was like, Oh good. Give a funny guy a break. Cause you know, I'm not a real looker, you know, and we'll talk about in the comments, but she, she said, he's so funny. It's a character. And then he showed me, he, she showed me three Instagram memes and,

And I go, well, he's a middleman. I hate to break it to you, but he finds a funny one and then he sends it to you. And she goes, right. And I go, he doesn't write to you. He's just Instagram. And then she goes, I know, but it's funny. I go, I'm not getting to her.

I go, you can like him anyway. It's okay. He found a funny one and he liked it and laughed and then you laughed. That's fine. That's fine. Right. And that's a start. So let me ask you a question about times they are a change in basically. So you do Sarah Palin, which is an explosive connection between the way you looked and sounded in the writing and the moment.

uh i had ross perot 20 years before you've had a lot of people dana yeah he did have a lot of some landed some didn't but we won't talk about that no i mean you can't finish one time um but then so sarah palin comes to the show to visit you've done her yeah and i think back then in those days it was like you made it funny there wasn't you weren't teaching us

in a way it may just speak to like the difference between 2008 and now, as far as the sensitivity to that. So she came and then McCain came with his wife. So go ahead. Yeah. The whole, the whole climate of the real world is so much uglier and so much more polarized. Right. So that's all seems gentler now, like doing those. And, you know, we, and, and,

Seth and Amy and I wrote a lot of those and other writers, staff writers too, but Seth and Amy and I especially, we just have hands on it because we really went to great lengths to make sure that it didn't seem just like aggro and that it didn't seem unfair. I do not envy anybody who had to write out the last...

- It was like the last, the end of an era where it was, like when I was there, it was all just goofy and fun about any president. I really didn't even know about politics to be honest. I look super smart, but I don't really know anything. - You look incredibly brilliant. - I look so smart, I have a crew neck on, people can't see this.

But it was like an easy fun, like, oh, we're making fun of this guy. I was like, I knew they were Republican or Democrat, kind of. I didn't even care. And all the jokes made sense. But they go, Downey and Franken are good political writers. I wasn't. And then, fine, I'll do my goofy shit. And then we get on. And then Sarah Palin felt like right at the end of where it started getting really rough. The iPhone came in. And then shortly after that, Facebook and everything. So everything evolved from that. You would say you're friendly with Sarah Palin, I would guess, right?

You're talking to Dana. No, I mean, I feel like, yeah, I feel like we're not friends, but like if I saw her at something, I wouldn't be like a shame. She didn't storm out. There was no, yeah, there was no. She talked like a little smack afterwards. I think she had that. Maybe. Oh, really? Because people got to her and said, why would you let him do that? Like preaching to her face and forgetting that it'll get picked up. But no, if I saw her like.

On the street, I would say hello to her and I think she would say hello to me. I saw it. She was behind me in the press line at the 40th. Yeah. So she came the 40th. So at least, I mean, that was...

Okay. So, you know, it's this idea that you're doing someone that you hate and publicly everyone knows you hate the person you're doing. I don't hate her, by the way. No, that's what I mean. I don't think I've ever done anyone I hate. Well, I did Adolf Hitler once on the show. I hate him. You don't even know him. Well, it was me and Jan Hooks. Here's one that just died. I always thought it was funny that only time we see Hitler, he's screaming. So Jan Hooks and I were in bed. I'm Hitler.

And she's real quiet. Wake up, Adolf. Wake up, Adolf. And then I just sat up in bed and started screaming. You know, silence. So anyway, but I've never done anyone I hated. Like right now, I kind of play around with Biden, but it's sensitive, very sensitive how you use him as source material for.

Without it polarizing or making people angry or making fun of some of what people perceive, like Al Franken said, maybe he's lost his fastball, stuff like that. Yes, I do. If it's silly, it's better, I think. Yeah, I mean, you can do better. Come on. It's a deal. This is America.

here's the deal. I'm not kidding. No joke. I'm not kidding around. I like when he yells, he gets really mad. And then he whispers because we need pipes. Cause we're going to get them. We know how to get them. Come on now. I'm not kidding. So I think he's a funny character. I feel as long as it's funny and kind of abstracted and silly, maybe I can get away with it, but I don't know. Yeah. I feel like what you do though, Dana, what makes you so great at it is because you get at the person, like the core person and like what,

what's funny about them as a person as opposed to like,

People who, if you're writing from channeling your rage about their policy or how much you hate them, it comes out sour. Have you seen this, the new guy that's doing Trump now? I think he's amazing. Brilliant. Beyond like next level. Yeah. And then I always thought that there was a thousand rhythms. The Trump is one of the weirdest voice patterns of anyone. Yeah. James Austin. He has three names anyway. James Austin Johnson.

He's amazing. Amazing. Like that is like, yeah. And they have a funny hook with him now too, where they do bullet points of his nonsense, which is a great game where it's like, he's talking, he's rambling, but they put bullet points up. Like it's making sense. Yeah. And Scooby-Doo and many people. And then you see it switch, you know, we're doing, you know, Jane, a green acres, a tremendous show. Everyone, she wanted to be in the city, you know, and it goes on. And it's, it, it,

It satirizes Trump in the way you're just talking about, that it's funny and you don't feel like you're trying to be taught anything. Well, you don't know for sure he hates him. We're just laying it out.

And I think when an audience sees something they recognize, they're just so full of joy. You know, like, yeah, Trump does do that. And then leave it to yourself, too. So that's a perfect example. It's also maybe easier to do that now because he's out of office. You know, like everything seems so high stakes and stressful. I couldn't do Obama until he got out of office. I could tell the audience would tighten up.

And then once he got out of office, I could do it as a white man. You know, just something I like to do. I love the rhythm of Obama. I like the way he steps up, this kind of matter-of-fact thing he does. And I just do it all the time now. I'm a nibbler, Dana, and I think you are too, but you always know me that I just have to keep the energy going. And I think because I learned from my dad, pistachios are a good source of just, you know, nibble, wake you up.

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Women on the show. And one thing was Hillary was a big presence and then Sarah. So you and Amy did those two women who were at the top of the political ticket, you know. But I was just going to name some of your bandmates and just think about this evolving thing and then who they have now. But in your team...

obviously amy poehler who you two connect so effortlessly molly shannon supernatural funny anna gosteyer so talented sherry o'terry ball of energy my rudolph kristin wig later on a little bit when you're hosting rachel dratch and there's others but it's just like monsters you know and then the writers like emily spivey and paul lapel and morinazo and cindy caponera there are a lot of

strong strong and anagasta thought that it sort of reflected the the culture changing as well that how the women have really emerged in a more profound way at least you know we had jan hooks or there were other great women on the show of course but then this great as good as anybody and and of course gilda lorraine newman they always were women around and then it just seems like this wave came

Can you speak to that, Tina? Sure. Or your friends. One of the greatest joys of my life was that we were able to have Jan on 30 Rock. She played Jane Krakowski's mother. And she was so funny. God dang it. She was so funny. Everyone just go rewatch that real quick. Pause the podcast. But

But yeah, like, so when we got there, it was, it was different. Like it did change. And I think, you know, we also like when I was there, our director was a woman, Beth McCarthy Miller and Jenna, you know, Rustana, the stage manager, like there were just more women around the table. So things, you know how like things play at that table where they don't. And there were more women in other departments. And so like, there'd be stuff that we would laugh at. Like I always talk about how Paula wrote,

this commercial called Kotex Classic that, um, it was just like, it was like, like fashion is like, we're doing a classic and it was just like those big gigantic 1950s maxi pads that like, maybe they're just like really bulky, like under the pants. And like, it didn't play before the, because like the guys just didn't know. It wasn't like anyone purposely being like, we're going to keep them down. It was just like, Oh, this is playing differently, you know? Um, so I think like,

all this inclusion stuff it's like yeah you got to do it in every department and so it's not just like one poor actor like trying to represent for everyone from their entire universe um here's let me ask you guys a question because i've theorized about this and i you were there at the time that i'm thinking about so you know bowen yang right who's on there now i think he's so funny have you seen the bit he did where he played the iceberg from titanic yes yes hysterical

I saw him with the outfit on and they talked about it. I don't know if I saw it. It's a really funny update feature. He comes out and he's like the iceberg from Titanic and he's there, he's there to like talk about his album and they're like, well, let's talk about the Titanic or whatever. He just does this whole thing that I think is like actually sort of defining this like new comedy of like, we're looking at the world from a different perspective. And he's like, listen, I was in the ocean. You came to where I live. You hit me. Like,

Like, he's just like, it was just all true. Yeah, it's hilarious. But I was saying that, like, it was so funny. And I was like, I don't know if Bowen could have gotten that on. I don't know if Bowen could have gotten in the room with, like, Norm and Downey and gotten that on. Do you think they would have been like, I don't know about, I don't like this kid. Like, I don't want to besmirch them. I mean, it's clever.

But like, it's a different time. It sounds like Eddie, is it Eddie Izzard? You know, when I would watch some of these European stand-ups, you know, they had bits about the Renaissance and all this different way of looking at stuff. It seems reminiscent of that. It seems very European. But if you have some game, like you were talking about the women, you can sniff out someone who hasn't had any chop after a few weeks of like... So if all the women...

you've mentioned are really good, which they are. I think that matters. It's just getting them in front of people. So if they get the opportunity and they did, and then they were great. And then the writers you're saying, I don't know all the writers, but the unsung heroes that are propping up the show with great writing. That's, that's, that's unreal too. You can tell when someone's not good. I think that it's a natural evolution. Like if I went on and when I do the church lay on there, I feel like I'm really doing, you know, kind of a vaudeville, right?

something. I mean, it's so ham-fisted. It came from my standup in the early 80s. And so, I don't think that would be in fashion. Times do change. Yeah, that's a dry, that's a really interesting observation. I guess it is true though that people who have the sheer balls to do it and it is evolution and it is survival of the fittest. And so, if you could get that up at the table,

Yeah. They recognize, I mean, the, the weird of the bit, but like, that just sounds, I don't even know anything. Just you tell me right there. It's such a interesting idea. And then I'm, I think he performed it very well. We were wanting to talk to him too, because just his experience coming on and, and actually not just like, Oh, we're going to, we have an Asian American. It's like, no, bring someone on and they, and they're good. And they blow up and you're like, Oh, are we missing out? Yeah. What's going on here? He's sounds like one. It's really,

popping out. He's funny. He's killing. He's got funny rhythms. Hey, you were an improv group, right? Yeah. Can I tell you guys a nightmare that I'm experiencing right now, which is I got asked to do, there's this show on Broadway right now

called Freestyle Love Supreme and it's it's Lin-Manuel Miranda it's a big hit Tina it's a big hit it's really cool I saw it off right everyone loves it and it's all like improvised rap and music and they were asked me to be a guest on it I'm gonna be a guest there on Thursday night and I kept I kept making sure they know like I

I think like, oh, I'll be a guest. Like, I'll be like a monologist, like at ASCAP. Like, they know that I do not improvise music. Right. And my manager's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, and I'm just, for the next couple of days, I just keep having like recurring daymares that I don't know. I can't improvise music. Are they going to ask you to do freestyle rap? Like in a battle? I can't, I can't do that. Right. Well, yes, you can. Let me, let me just give you, let me give you, Tom Cruise. No, he's not.

Don't make her. Nothing to lose. Gotta get some booze. What you gonna do? Wait a minute, Tina. You go do it. You can practice. You have to practice with your daughters. They'll love you for it. Oh my God, Tina. I can't. David, give me a word. A lead in. Counterpoint. Tina Bale. Gotta go to a joint. Here's what I can do. If I can go there and I can be like, give me a word and they say blender and I tell a story about a blender and then they make up

Make up a rap. Fucking please. How about you go give me a word and you say blender and then they do everything. You know what you're going to do, Tina, and you don't even know it yet because your instincts are so good. Forget it. I'm out. You're going to get out there and try to start rapping and then you're going to deconstruct it into this nerdy...

person who can't really do it and you're gonna get triple the laughs maybe I shouldn't have put that scene in your head like hey check check the papers Friday morning don't you feel like when you agree to stuff like a podcast like when the day comes and you look at your calendar you're like really all right I mean there's just so much you can do how did you get roped into this

I just they asked me and I said, yes, of course. I love those guys. Did you think you'd be able to talk at some point? Honestly, this is pretty this is a pretty good back and forth for podcasts. Sometimes it's worse. Lauren always said this phrase to me. There's a lot of goodwill. So that would apply to you when you get on that stage.

That only lasts for like the first 30 seconds. I know that only makes me nervous. I mean, I call him one time. I was hosting. I called him. He goes, it's really, it's sort of a victory lap. I go, really? Shouldn't I work on something? Anything he says is funny. That's when we had somebody with someone where like a 12 minute cold open, they'd be like, well, that was all the goodwill. Now, Jesus Christ. And everyone's like out of it already. My lung hasn't even started. Warm down.

So, Tina, what question have you never been asked that you want to be asked? What question have I never been asked? One word. Robert Carlock. One word. Robert Carlock. One word. Two words. Two words. Wasp. Wasp genius. Yes, he does have a sort of a Yankee Doodle Dandy kind of sweater.

Chumlee. Yeah, Harvard. Chumlee. When you were a little kid, I ask this to everybody because I just like picturing you a little at Tanner's time. What was your favorite toy or a toy you can remember or a bicycle from your – as a child that was like a cool thing or a cool gift that you got? Well, you won't be able to see this on the thing, but I'll tell you about it and then I'll show you guys.

I have a dollhouse, Fisher Price dollhouse that my parents got me when I was a kid. And my dad like wrapped up every part of it and kept it really nice. And then a few years ago, I tried to give it to my daughters when they were smaller and they, you know, have a much more privileged life than I have. And they, I found it like in a corner under a bunch of other toys. And I was like, fuck it. I'm taking it back. And so now I keep it here at my office and I'll show it to you. Okay. The camera's swishing around here. We saw piano. Oh,

We saw a pile of money in the corner. We see this adorable, looks like a bag of some kind of illicit substance. Oh, look, yeah, it's cool. It's open air. Look at this guy. It looks like Leonard Nimoy. So weird. Oh, God, that's a splitting image. That guy could be played by Will Ferrell. That is. It's like a Will Ferrell. It's like a little Will Ferrell.

Look at how cute. Is that like visual relaxation when you look at that? Yeah. Do you feel? I didn't ever expect that I would. Look at that 70s couch that it came with. Wow. Look at that roof. I think my sister had this. That looks so familiar. Yeah. It's the basic, you know. It's not Barbie or anything. No, it's Fisher Price and it's awesome. Yeah. And so that is my favorite toy and I still have it. Wow. Yeah.

I like that you like that. I like you more. Thanks. That's kind of hip that that's in your office. Oh, I had a question. Wish I had an office. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, my daughter, I made her watch Mean Girls. And even though she was a little, it's a little early, she was 12. No, that's fine. And I go, I thought, you know, it's a little rough, but she's also, I'm not thinking like, I just want her to see something that really cracked me up and she'd probably like it. And then

But she hasn't been to high school and had Mean Girls. I don't know. But I'm sure there's some version of it along the way. And now she loves it. And then her mom goes, oh, she keeps playing it. I'm like, I love it. Because Mean Girls sort of just keeps kicking. It's on Broadway. It's always on. It was on Broadway. It's on tour now. It's on tour now. It's on tour now, yeah. But Gina has so many things, Dana. Like when people ask me, there's like...

Three things they go to. And Tina has, I can't imagine what the top three on the street they know you from. You know what people know me from is a movie that I did with Amy called Baby Mama. People are always like, Baby Mama? Oh, I fucking love that. That's it. That's it. Date Night was a killer too. Ah.

That's nice. But baby mama is just had that hooky thing of like you and her together. It was really smart and really fun. You guys, when you get out there and you have that, you just look at each other and kind of start internally laughing or something. I mean, it seems like there's such a, there's a real pop with you too. When I see you together, we go, we go back to Chicago. Like we toured second city together. We were on the improv team together. We really, really go way back. So,

we just to have a real ease working with each other. Like if we have to host something and we're just like figuring out the jokes or whatever, it's just, um, shorthand shorthand is great. Yeah. Like you, do you have people that you feel that way about? Well, I, I,

I have this theory that if you meet people before anybody's... Swartzen is an inferior person in my life. But Tina, you also had Jimmy on update and you did great. And then you have Amy. Was that a scary switcheroo or probably easy? Oh, I remember it was in a kind of classic Lorne way too. He sort of was leaving it up to me to pick what to do. After Jimmy left and I tested with people and I did stuff and then

And I had that thing where I felt like, I was like, oh, I think I'm supposed to want to do it by myself. Like if I was, if I really, but I didn't want to do it by myself because that's not really, I'm not a standup, but it's not my thing. And so it was really like, it's fun with someone. It's more fun with someone. And you have someone when the jokes flail, you have someone to play off of and way more fun. And so it was like the week of, we finally decided.

And then people always make a big deal. Like it's the first time they had two women doing update. So it was another first for the show. First time head writer. First time this, I just want to, I don't want much more time we have, but I wanted to talk how much fun I had working with your husband on, uh, and he's very patient because I'm horrible at click tracks. Uh,

And then my character singing in this cartoon, Mulligan, clicked it. I would miss it. And he would go, oh, we can work with that. We can do that. We can do this. And I remember working with Cheryl Hardwick as well. Yeah, the great girl. The person is the music person who can just kind of play any genre, any style. So anyway, I had a lot of fun with him on the Zoom coaching me. He's the best. Jeff Richmond is the best. And yeah, so patient with like...

comedy writers writing lyrics and comedians singing like just infinite patience. Yeah, that's true. It was nice when we got to do that Broadway show, he wrote all the music for it because it was like, oh, it's people that can really sing. Rather than comedians. Yeah. You know, one time I was doing looping on Black Sheep, that old movie. Oh, a couple people remember? Thank you. Black Sheep, yeah. So we were doing looping and I left and Chris was coming in

And he's like, they do beeps and shit? I go, yeah. So anyway, he goes, I left after two hours. I go, what? I thought you were supposed to do four. He goes, I couldn't get it. I go, you didn't get any? He goes, mm-mm. Two hours? He goes, it goes beep, beep, beep. Then you're supposed to, I don't even, I don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Go. I know, it's pretty simple. Because he was a pure performer. He wasn't like, he was a zero-force robot. Yeah, he just wanted to go, let me just, and then,

Right. And he wants to change the lines and just do it different and just do a better performance. And it's just looping is a very tough, you know, dirty secret. So real quick, the girl's sketch where you played the kind of Eastern European woman is hysterical. Oh, yes. That was fun. I think Seth wrote that for me. These are just compliments. Seth wrote that for you? I think Seth wrote that. Yeah, when I was hosting. That was great. What about Bush Twins with you and Amy? That was funny. I think I wrote that.

Okay. So for the young people out there that want to get into comedy writing or want to look these things up. Hit her name. Hit YouTube. They're on YouTube. Crack her. Well, do you have anything else, David? No, she's great. I'm sure that she's got people to meet and places to go. Well, I love you guys. You're my favorite. When I was a kid, when I was a teenager watching the show, I had a crush on both of you.

That's so cute. It's like America's sweetheart. Weren't you called that at one point? Or the thinking man sex or something. They've always put you in that. Not a thing. Not a thing. You still do your Philly accent around the house or no? I do it all the time, hon.

Me and my friends, we go down the shore. Dana, can you do that accent? Because I tried to teach it to Jimmy, and he kind of couldn't do it. And I was like, we found his Achilles heel because he can do everything. Can you do a Philly? I would have to study it. I'd have to know. I need a source track because I would go all over East Coast. What are you guys doing? I thought you were mayor of Hollywood. Brooklyn. Can you just hear it real quickly then? Yeah, let me think. All right.

All right, leave me alone. It's like, I'm going down. I'm going down the street. We're going to get hoagies. And we're just going to go sit somewhere and smoke. Hoagies. Sit somewhere and smoke. Yeah, it's very specific. It's very easy to go Michael Caine with that. We're going to sit somewhere and smoke. Were you excited about Mayor of Easton? I was. I also was like, I guess my phone was broken for Mayor of Easttown. I guess. But I thought she killed it. She killed that. Because that is a really hard dialect. She crushed it. Oh, yeah.

To think about that and your lines, and then you've got to do your lines right, and you want to do them the acting way you need to do them. I had to do New Hampshire once, and they go, that sounded a little boss. And I'm like, listen, guys, the people watching my movie will be four to seven years old. Yeah, just relax. I say it's Petridge Farm, fresh and flaky turnovers. That's the way you do it. Petridge Farm. Petridge Farm. You can give them one word, but I'm not, I mean, you know, Daryl Hammond, there's people of incredible ears. I really need to listen or hang out with someone a lot.

We'll check back in a couple weeks. Daryl, yeah. Daryl is amazing. Let's let Tina finish her makeup. My favorite part of the day is going to sleep. I like to go to sleep. Yeah. Without any medication at all. Just nothing. Because I have to take Ambien. Maybe a melatonin gummy. Maybe an over-the-counter melatonin. Yeah. Let's party. Okay. I got you.

Wink, wink, womp, womp. Fuck yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you, I'll give you my melatonin guy. I'll text you. Do you think if I say it enough, I'll get a free thing, CVS, like a free thing of gummies? Dude, I went to a weed store and the guy goes, here man, he's like, hey,

You know, because the guy was floundering. And he goes, hey, Spade, I'm the owner. Listen, hey, Jimmy, grab him some fentanyl crab cakes and get him some, you know, some PCP candy corns. I go, no, no, no, no, I'm okay. But he gave me a little gummy of weed and then I took it. And he goes, don't eat the whole thing. I go, it's a fucking inch of food, dude. He goes, just eat the ear.

I go, I don't know. That's why I have a vodka soda. I know what I'm getting. My wife and I tried a gummy bear of marijuana because it was instead of Ambien, let's sleep. And we hallucinated all night long. The entire house was going up and down. I couldn't walk. It's,

So be careful, baby boomers. No, we were really foolish. We were doing it for my mother-in-law who's 90. We thought we'll experiment with them because her friends at church, she's very Catholic, are all taking a little bit of cannabis for sleep. And that's why we did it. But you had the wrong stuff. Well, too much.

Yeah. No tolerance. I didn't know, you know, I hadn't smoked pot since 1982. Anyway, we're halfway done. Let's take a little break. Yeah. Come back with Tina. Take a little break and do the real hour. Tina, thanks for, thanks for doing this. It's so fun to see you. And now if we see you, we'll go, Hey, we feel like we know each other even better. Hey, coming up next, we got Conan O'Brien, our old buddy.

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