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Yes, I have actually stayed at Airbnbs from time to time. And truth be told, I do really like them. I'm being totally honest right now that I've had great experiences with them. Yeah. I mean, you can have your look at you go get your own place, get your own pool, your own living room. You're not going to walk in an elevator. You're not going to see people when you're walking around in your undergarments. Yeah.

Yes. And if you don't understand what we're talking about, you should go online. What we're saying is you have a house with a kitchen and a bathroom and it's just for you, tailored for you. You liked your Airbnb over a hotel. Yes. And I do think I've had relatives stay nearby and sometimes it's very nice for them to do an Airbnb and have a little house and they're not underfoot. The last thing you want is your house guest to say, excuse me, um,

Where would I find a towel? That's a toughie when it's- Because they're naked? Well, it's like the 1800th time you say, on the towel rack. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, I was going to look there. People don't even think hotels sometimes just go, hey, I'll go there, I'll get an Airbnb. So you won't regret it. Paul Rudd is our guest today. You know what? It's nice when tens get together.

You know, I was looking like a nine that day. Yeah, we're all... Dana, we're... Yes. Well, Paul Rudd is a... Oh, wait. Hang on.

Yeah, he's cool. We've got to put on our shades. Oh, shit. Mine are dirty, too. No, keep going. Keep going. It's real. BTS. It's real. Here we go. Now, listen. Okay. Paul Rudd is our guest today. Tom Petty. What? Those look like... When I used to do Tom Petty, I'd go, I don't understand the world today. But tell your fans or anyone who's watching this that you had a little thing you had to travel with. There was sideburns and a little wig or something. When I did Tom Petty...

in the old days. This is up to a year ago. You know, I used to do it in my act. When you opened for me, I remember you had this prop. When it works, it works. And it bumped up to being a closer. So I'd go Tom Petty. And then I had a top hat I got from somebody. It's like a great top hat because Petty kind of used to wear it. It wasn't really thought out. And then I had these little skinny glasses like that. And I go, this is how old my act is. I go,

These glasses are the kind that they'd wear on Adam 12 when they bust some hippie. One Adam 12. What are you going to do? Bust this pig? And I'd wear those. And then you'd do a little thing with your mouth. And then I'd go into the Tom Petty. And what did you do with your mouth? Show them. That. That was my Tom Petty. No, but give it as long as they can see it. There's Tom Petty. I'd put the glasses on and I'd get ahead and I'd go. And then you would sing. Yeah, I'd do whatever Tom Petty song.

And you were my opener. I'm going, what the fuck is he doing? Killing? Is he killing? Yeah, I would crunch. And then I had to go and follow that. Good night. Fling the top hat. And then I'd run back, get it back. I need that for tomorrow. But I just love the idea. You had one little prop. You had a little briefcase. I had a briefcase. My mom's honeymoon briefcase. Click, click.

And that was your petty thing. Petty hat, Jeopardy xylophone. Bada bing, bada boom. I was prop back for a while. What is that? I was down to just the top hat and the carpet squares on my face for sideburns. For the final. And I do it and I'm with this cute girl and we're at the Aladdin Vegas. Oops. And then a Dennis Miller, I opened for him. And we're out there waiting for a cab and he goes, you sleep in that hat, spud? Because I'm carrying the fucking top hat out.

To get in the car. Dennis didn't like props. He was a pure. And he told me, you don't need it. You can't. Actually, you can't do it anymore. You can't open for me. Christ sakes. Who's getting the laugh? You or the little carpet strips around your orifice? Okay. Then I started bombing without it. Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd. Doesn't understand the desperation because good looking, talented, funny.

He's got them all. He's like kind of Jon Hamm that way, you know, they cool dudes. And Paul Rudd, it's funny because in my circles of when I'm out and about, which is less these days, I don't really run into him much, which is a shame because he's a fun dude to bullshit with.

I just don't run into him. He's like a lot of our guests. He doesn't pursue celebrity. He's not thirstily, disgustingly horny for fame. He's just always there, and then you look at his IMBD, and he's done so many things in so many movies. And he'll talk all about how he chooses stuff, which is very interesting. And we asked him about early success monetarily because it's a curiosity test, and it's fairly recent was his answer. You'll find out about that later.

And he talks about only murders in the building, which he's doing this season. And he has a really great story about him and Meryl Streep. Yeah, and Ant-Man is obviously a huge one for him. He's done a million. He was an anchorman. He's done a million things. But Ant-Man is the main focus. And I, without being prompted, sometimes we do research, you know, even like Will Ferrell or someone we dig in and we look at old sketches we can't remember or something they've done that we never got to see.

And I had seen both Ant-Man's and one was a flight to Hawaii, one was a flight to Boston. Anyway, they were great. And so I was excited. The new one's called like Quantumania or something funny. Yeah, and the wasp and the thing. But the thing I learned about him, which you'll learn more in detail, is that he's a writer and a producer and he wrote Ant-Man.

We wrote the first one. Him and Adam McKay. So that's kind of why it has a little cool frequency to it. Yes. But enjoyed it a lot. And again, on this podcast, as you know,

super beetle fans we just accidentally tumbled into him meeting paul mccartney and and then the beetle thing and we find out you'll find out how gigantic and knowledgeable a fan of the beetles is paul rudd so that that i always corrected me on something from the thing did we i'll tell you in the break but also i have something from the beetles that i showed them and no one saw and no one knew and you'll hear about that yeah all right here he is all right all right

Paul Rudd. I'll just say it really fast. Five-time. Yeah. Remember the five-time hosting club? Yeah. We're going to go over a clueless. He launched pretty fast. Yeah. Halloween 6. I was in Halloween 2. Stacey Dash was in Moving. I was in Moving. So six degrees or whatever. I read for Moving.

For real. And you're moving. Yes, you move a lot. No, I read for the movie Moving and they said, we're trying to get Dana. And I said, oh, fuck. For the schizophrenic guy who goes crazy and takes Pryor's car across the country? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. Paul, did you read for that part? No, I didn't. You know, I was still in college. I remember when it came out and it was very exciting, but I never, you know, I was just still in school. I never, it was a little bit before my

uh my time in the industry he turns down movies right now that's all you do is turn down movies oh yeah yeah oh my gosh it's a it's a daily occurrence i mean all the stuff i'm turning down they used to call kevin klein kevin d klein i don't know that was i don't know they call paul rudd but what i got exhausted this is quite a resume i know it's like where do you start

It seems like a dream. If I had a kid come out of college, I would write. There's no declining there. It's yeah, I'll do it. Sure. Great. All quality work. Where do I sign? You know, you, you produce, you co-write, you co-wrote the sequel to Ant-Man. Is that right?

Yeah. The first one and the second one. No way. Really? Now I didn't write that one, but I did. So they come to you as an actor and then they say, and then you say, well, I'd like to co-write or they offer it or how does that happen? It just kind of happened. It, you know, the, when Ant-Man first started, I was cast in that movie by Edgar Wright, who was the original director. And,

And, uh, there was a script and then they wanted to do something else. And then there was another script that they had hired from, uh, they had written another person or another two people. I don't know, had written another script. Edgar left the project. There was another, uh, script that came along and it just seemed like, uh, it was a little all over the place. And, uh,

when we were looking at other directors, Adam McKay came in and then he and I were talking, we were talking about what we could kind of do with the movie. And then they hired us, uh, to write it, the two of us. So, so Adam and I kind of hold up in a, uh, in a hotel room for a couple of months and then just really tried to cruise through that.

but he's such a great, I mean, you know, McKagan. I would say the two of you in a room writing and making your choices, no wonder it was a hit. I mean, Adam is brilliant. You're, I don't think, I was not aware, but now I look at all the hits you've had. I'm assuming you had a hand in all of it. Sometimes you're a hired actor, but you just seem like, you'd say to Judd Apatow, you know,

How about if I do this? I don't know. Well, I think you guys know, yeah, the way I think we've worked with a lot of the same people, there does seem to be a lot of improvisation or every, you know, a kind of a collective effort on, you know, certainly with the way Judd works, we're all kind of working on things together and, um, do your Judd. That's all. Ooh.

Oh, okay. We're doing something at Largo if you want to come down. It always sounds like he's got a little bit of a, he needs to blow his nose. Oh, this is great. I love your idea. This is a bookmark impression. I haven't worked on it. I really love your idea. Is that Regis?

It's a little bit cold. It's Judd doing Regis. All my impressions start from Regis. Are you ready for this? Did she say what's with the Shanley? That was my Judd as Regis. Oh, as Regis. Judd is still looking at the Diaries of Shanley.

I don't do that. That's so great. I love that. That's like my Biden always ends with pirates. The Caribbean just makes me happy. It says people, it's not inflation. A parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent, a parent

Okay, Walter Cronkite. Yes. I'm actually... When I saw Ant-Man, I don't see all the Marvel ones because...

uh, part of me is, you know, obviously a little jealous, but some of it is like when you, when you have, well, when you have this, I can't help it, but when you have to please the whole world, it's still different than doing an artsy movie or like, you know, maybe even anchorman or movies that are just to like, this is fun for just comedy fans that kind of like the joke on the jokes kind of stuff. And then when you do something that's for the world, uh,

it's probably, it's a little watered down because, you know, it's gotta be for everybody and that's just the way it is. And they do well. But when I saw Ant-Man, I was surprised that it was, had so many clever moves to it that by the time it ended, I thought,

during it, I thought, Oh, my, this might be a phase, but then it held all the way through. And that made me go see the second one. And the same thing happened. And I thought, Oh, that's cool. Cause this Ant-Man wasn't probably one of the ones that was the biggest ever that they were going to make, but turns out to be one of the funniest and best ones. Well, thanks man. For real, for real. It did. It did seem like it was a little, those ones were a little different than the

than the rest. I mean, they were, they kind of existed, even though they were part of that Marvel universe, they existed in their own space and they were a little smaller. And, um, uh, you know, that the whole thing really is run by Kevin Feige, the guy who does, you know, who orchestrates kind of most of that Marvel universe. And Kevin Feige is actually a, he's a pretty big comedy fan. And a lot of the stuff that he likes, uh,

And I, you know, I got to know him while we were making these, it was really kind of abstract, funny, not, you know, particularly crowd pleasing stuff. And, uh, I remember we were in Atlanta filming, I think it was this, it was either the first or second Ant-Man. I don't remember, but no, it'd been the first one. And Tim and Eric were on tour and, uh,

I went to go see him and Kevin went with me and we went backstage afterward and he'd never met Tim Heidecker. And here's like the head of Marvel kind of, you know, fanboying out on Tim Heidecker because he just loved all the crazy stuff he was doing. And he's actually in the second Ant-Man. And in the first one,

Greg Turkington, who plays Neil Hamburger for those real deep comedy fans and does on cinema at the cinema with Tim Heidecker. He's in the first Ant-Man. So, you know, there's a big contingency of on cinema at the cinema fans, Kevin being one of them.

It's it, it, it, it, the, the layers of the onion go. That's nice though, because also those days when you know someone's come to the set that you kind of know or something, it's always a fun day on the set. Yeah. Did you and Adam McKay ever write something and you said, let's just put it in. They're never going to go for this. And then they were maybe surprised. I remember, I don't know of anything that they went, they went with. I remember, uh,

We thought, oh, this would be cool. Like in the first one we thought, oh, you know, it's, we were also kind of trying to retain or go with what we read in Edgar's version that he wrote with a guy named Joe Cornish that we thought was great. And there's this heist movie, but we put in this idea that like, what if he does a test run and actually accidentally fights an Avenger? That would be really cool. And we were laughing about it and we put it in and we did wind up shooting it. But I think in the second one, we talked about the, um,

villain being kind of this thing that went from person to person. We love the idea of having Nathan Fielder be the bad guy. Cause it just seemed like a really weird choice and funny. Yeah. But then when you're, and then it would hop from person to person. And I guess when your villain is an invisible gas, it doesn't, they don't really feel like they're going to make that movie. I remember we liked that idea. I think most of the ideas that we had that we really liked didn't get made.

Oh, okay. Wow, we sound a little bit bitter. No, not at all. I do still want to see Nathan Fielder as a villain in a movie. Oh, yeah. That's a perfect choice. Nathan For You. That's the name of the show, right? Yeah. Yeah, that was great. By the way, I think one of the funniest shows of the last decade.

two decades. Yes, I totally concur. So you do Ant-Man and you're... How big? So you're already a superstar, I'll just say it, or a big star. I'll say it. Then you're in a Marvel thing.

And how does that, what's that like? It's like your fame went to this other idea, right? The whole thing was, is, was, and is strange because it's not really, I never saw that coming. Uh, I certainly didn't imagine that, um, you know, years later I would still be kind of doing something like this. I was never a comic book reader. I was, that was not my world really. Um, and

And while it's been, you know, an amazing thing to be a part of for sure, the whole thing kind of over time, just, it became so much bigger and a bigger thing in my life where I would go outside and people would just yell, Ant-Man. And that, you know, it's such a global thing. That was me. You know, when you go to the airport, I just had this one. I went to Wisconsin.

The people that aren't fans, but they have pictures and all these, you know, Funko pops to sign. Yeah. And they literally like hate me, but they want me to sign everything. And then the second I stopped signing, they hate me worse. It's just the weirdest thing that's turned into, Oh my God, I have fans. And then,

Oh, it took me a while to figure out these aren't fans at all. They just sign this and get out of my way. Yeah, that's it. That's true. They're like trading baseball cards. And they all hang out at the airport. It's a weird thing. Yeah. And they were at the gate, Dana, in Wisconsin. I go, I'll sign one each of these things, but what?

which then they hate me immediately. But then I go, just how do you know what my flight is? How do you know anything? And they're like, no, no, it's all cool. I go, no, but you're at the gate. And then they, no matter how many times I say no, they walk all the way down to baggage and then they still hold them out. And I go, did I change my mind last five seconds? And then they go all the way to my car. And then I get mad. And it's always weird because I'm not in a Marvel movie. I'm just like, I just,

I don't get it. And then you're not, you don't even like me. What are we doing? They manipulate me by saying you're nicer than Spade. Yeah. So I just keep going. I am. No, I'm nice to other people. Not that. No, I'm nice. I'm nice. I would imagine there you get, no, there are fans there. They want you to have like a Joe dirt poster or a,

Don't you rack your brain for another one. Like all that stuff. Yeah. You get presented with all of it. Yes. What's that? Emperor's New Groove. It's a David's animated hit. Yeah. Oh, Paul, I don't want to over-talk about it, but you know, when we started the, oh. What was it like on Groove? Groove. You know who was on it at first with me? Hey, how's it going? Owen Wilson.

You know, we could go to Argentina and go surfing if you want to. Hey, all right. Yeah, there you go. Now... You know what? I love Owen Wilson. There was a moment when you're around him, you kind of can't help but fall into an Owen Wilson voice. He's so different. He reminds me of... Well, there's Woody Harrelson...

Billy Bob Thornton and Owen Wilson just seem to have this different frequency, the way they're navigating life. They talk weird. They say things different, but they're so charming, you know, they say everything at kind of their own speed, their own vibration. And Owen is a really, I mean, like he's brilliant. He's a really smart guy. And he, and you

You know, we worked on this movie together and there was this scene that we were talking about what the definition of love was to us, our characters. It was, and we kept doing it over and over again. And, and, and then the next day he said, you know, I remember this article I read in the New Yorker and it was, it was from like 10 years ago or something. And he had found a copy of it.

and printed it out. I thought, who remembers an article they read from the New Yorker that was somehow applied to the scene that we were talking about? Yeah. I'm shocked he has a printer. Did he have a definition of love? I'm trying to, someone asked me that. I'm not sure. Yeah. I think, I think Owen is, it's Owen and then a door opening. Yeah. What is Owen turning into Regis Philbin sound like? Yeah.

you know, are you ready for this? We could go surfing in Argentina, but yeah,

I sent him with my phone a little painting that I did. He goes, we got another Basquiat on our hands. He's a big art collector and extremely well read. And Billy Bob Thornton is his own other lane. You talked about the 2016 election. All he said to me was, we got some John Wayne shit going on. Just stuff like that. Just taking the whole election and distilling it.

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But back to Paul. Yes, for sure. Who is obviously like almost a cast member of Saturday Night Live. And now you're working with Steve Martin and Martin Short.

on Only Murders in the Building. Are they fun or are they kind of... Oh, they're amazing. Yeah, they're the greatest. I know. That's like a dream job to be on a set with those two guys, right? It is. Yeah. I mean, you know those guys. And it's just so fun to be in the room with them.

And to see them just kind of interacting with each other, because obviously they are best friends, they love each other. And it's a series of nonstop insults. But, you know, for someone like me,

I mean, I can't think of anybody I'd be more kind of knocked out by. Steve Martin, you know, since the... Sure. I think the moment I ever realized people could make a living talking. I was so obsessed with him. Same here. I saw him in the 70s. I saw him at the boarding house in the 70s and he was just magic. Oh, man. His stand-up. Yeah, and he recorded some of those albums at the boarding house. Yeah. 300 seats, kind of old and weird.

I can recite those albums. I don't know why he was the same thing, Paul. I was one of the first ones I locked into and I just couldn't get enough. Yeah. And I know, and you are the same. It's like, as soon as, as soon as you start hearing one of those routines, I still remember every intonation, every line. I found that to be kind of true with a lot of people.

um, kind of in our generation, you know, that, that, uh, and I've talked about it with Judd or some of these other comedians that those records that he put out and, and Steve Martin stand up and we're so kind of instrumental in, um,

uh forming senses of humor and and everything else i can't imagine anybody else in my life that had probably more of an impact so now on me so now yeah like it's sitting in the room with them sure and talking with them it's it's amazing and martin short i mean

I don't think there's a, we've had that. Yeah. We all, we all give it up to Martin. Yeah. I know. As far as, as far as just funny. No one's anti Martin short. No, but you got Selena. You got also, I saw a photo yesterday, very photogenic, beautiful Meryl Streep. Um, so it's her too. So it's Meryl Streep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It really is. I know it's, I, I still can't quite wrap my brain around it. Yesterday was the first day we filmed and it was kind of a big scene and it was the first day that we were all there. And I, and I was just panicked. I mean, I'm like, Oh, don't forget any of my lines. Don't, uh,

I was- Have fun. Don't try too hard. Yeah, I mean, right? It's just the pressure. And then when I was leaving Meryl Streep, I'd met before, but I don't know really. I mean, I'm so kind of-

I mean, I'm like, she's a freak in a good way. She's a freak. She was like saying goodbye. She can kiss me on the cheek. And I kissed her on both cheeks. Like we were in Paris. It was so weird. She didn't say anything, but I was so, I didn't know how to behave because I was so, so starstruck. And I was like driving home and I thought I kissed both of her cheeks. She,

I feel like an idiot. Yeah. What do I see? Maybe it's because all the classic kissing sketches, which I don't know how many you've done, but they were like electrically funny. And I think you were in the very first one and maybe you did it other times you hosted. The kissing family? Yeah. The vocal checks? Yes. It was. I was in the very first one and I came back. I did a few of them. Yeah. Do you kiss at rehearsal or not?

Yeah. You do? We did, yeah. I mean, you really go for it in the- Yeah, in front of people, you know, live show. But I think so. I think one time I even did it when-

Jason Siegel was hosting and I came back and just did the sketch. And I think he, I think he kissed me through, this might've been during dress. He threw me so hard against the wall, the whole set almost fell like the wall. And he's a pretty big guy. He's a very big guy and a very forceful kisser. It's such, there's a little bit of tension around it. It's irresistible not to not laugh because it's like the characters are doing it. And also the,

paul rudd is french kissing fred armisen yeah on camp it's just the thing that would always and i says this is what i remember the most from it and it was and i remember didn't in the very first one was fred always saying uh we're we're vocal checks and he was like it's not we're just we're family we're

We're just Vogelchecks. And it was always such an earnest reading that, uh, yeah, we were rehearsing and I started laughing and it was, it was the way it wasn't the kissing that made, I think us laugh. It was, it was right going. Right.

Fred has an earnest gear in his comedy. When he would do the Californians and the way he sincerely, no, we took the 101. Just the whole attitude is so earnest. I get that gear that he has. It's so original and funny. One time, this must have been

I don't know, like 15 years ago, maybe, uh, I was at a, it was Bill Hader was having a birthday dinner and this, and it was at a restaurant and we're sitting around across and across the table. It might've been more than 15 years ago, but Bill, uh, Fred was talking about the Beatles and, uh, and you know, his love for the Beatles. And he just kept talking about the Beatles. And at one point I said, well,

so, all right. So now if I want to listen to Beatles, like what album should I start with? Or I started asking a question like I've never heard of the band. And then he started saying like, they're just these four lads. They're kind of mop tops. There's an album. And he would start talking to me because the guy is the master of a bit. Yeah. Stick with it. And, um,

I won't talk to Fred for months and months. And then all of a sudden I'll get an email and it'll be something about the Beatles. And like, this is the band that I was talking about. And this has now gone on forever. I still get messages every once in a while from Fred updating me on some new things or some things about the Beatles, the band he was talking about that night. He's such a musical comic and his rhythms. And we, he, we had him on it. Once you get going on the Beatles, uh,

He knows, you know, the two-time to the eighth time and the middle eight. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's a musicologist, you know? Did you ever see his DVD? He put out complicated drumming techniques with Jens Haneman. Yes. Well, I did see his special where he goes around all the different drum kits and plays different... Yeah, they had that stand-up special, the comedy just for drummers. But yeah, he put out like a drumming...

Oh God. It was complicated drumming techniques with Jens Henneman. I remember when my son was really little, he was obsessed with it. He loved drums, but I don't think he got the comedy. The drums are fun though. Yeah. But it's such a specific genre.

kind of thing that he's doing. And I just, God, that was the funniest thing ever. Well, when I first saw him at the, uh, do the, the accent pick a bit at the Largo. So he's going around and he's doing new, new Hampshire or whatever. And he's, the accents are really good. And then he's getting, I didn't realize in real time, he's getting very specific. Like bake has field. I'm from bake has felt like he's making up access and it's slowly, slowly, slowly,

you know, burns the audience down. When I saw you with Bill Hader and Fred and some of the sketches of that, wow, that's just, that's so much fun to be with those two guys. Oh man. Was that your first time? Was that sort of the group was Kristen wig and those guys. And then when you come back, is it different every time or would sort of overlap? The first couple of times they were still there. I mean, it actually made it a lot easier, uh,

Uh, because I had a couple of friends on the show and a couple of friends that were writers. So I, you know, obviously had always wanted to host the show or somehow be involved. And, um, so the first time I got to host the show, it, it was a little easier cause my friends with a few of my friends were there, Bill being one of them. Um,

And then, yeah, it's now, it's been an interesting thing to host over the course of several years where, yeah, I think maybe the fourth time or so I went back and was like, oh my gosh, it does feel really different because it's new people. Maybe it was 2013. By 2013, had Fred and Bill left? Because that was your next hosting. 2008, 2010, the third time was 2013. And then maybe Kate McGinnon had come in. I don't know if Kristen Wiig had left and then you had Kate McGinnon.

Yeah. I don't know whether or not it was the third time, the fourth time Kate was there. Yeah. It might've been, I think maybe, I don't know. I don't remember exactly. Was Kenan Thompson there?

Kenan was there when you were there, I think. Kenan is the greatest. He was a child actor on the show and then he just stayed on. That guy is an MVP, man. He never stumbles a line. He just doesn't miss a moment. I mean, every single time the camera will just like cut to him. He's got the perfect still expression. He's just so good. It takes a while to get that way on that show because you're waiting for a camera to cut to you like you're in a Jeopardy sketch.

Has to cut to you and you don't want it too early. You're kind of waiting and then you do your face. It's, it's, it's hard. It's really true because there are so many little technical things that, um, it just takes time to learn such as when that camera is cutting to you, you know, you're those, those, uh, those pauses are unnatural. So, um, you just have to learn those kinds of things. That's something that I think I over,

the course of hosting a few times started to pick up because I never, nobody ever tells you, well, this is how you should really read the cue cards. This is how you really need to wait for that camera. And I was unaware having not worked on shows really like, Oh yeah. When that light goes on over the camera, wait till you see that in your peripheral vision. There's another thing when you do a sketch, Danny, you know, this, you get a big laugh at

you know, dress and then you pause on air and it doesn't get a laugh and you look crazy or because there's nothing there but you're waiting or you run over it because it didn't get a laugh at dress and you run over your laugh.

Cause you get it. You're like, Oh fuck. I stepped on it. It's horrible. And if you think you're on camera for whatever reason, and then your line just doesn't do anything and you realize later you weren't on camera, but at the moment it kind of deflates you for a moment, you know, you think, Oh, what did I do different than the dress show? It is like trying to catch the wind. I mean, there's, but, but did you get to a point? It took me 80 shows as a cast member, I think to get, uh,

comfortable enough to say I'm consistently having fun. But as a host, what was it like just the second time compared to the first time and the third time? I mean, you seem incredibly comfortable all the way through. I'm not. Is it fake? But you're acting. Okay. I'm not comfortable. Well, the first time I was on total adrenaline and it was so...

I remember feeling so exhausted when we finished the dress rehearsal. And then I thought, oh my God, I have to do this again. Now the first time I remember that first time feeling that it was also really weird for me because not to bring things down, but the first time I hosted was I think two weeks or so, almost three weeks after my father had died.

So I was in this state of, uh, complete kind of was, I was in, I was grieving, but I was also, yeah, I was also kind of half there, but I was so excited to host SNL. Um, and so it was the, the entire experience was just kind of, uh, out of body and, um,

I remember when it finished, I thought, how do these people do this every week? Because it was such a, you know, it's such a sprint and all of the quick changes and running around and then the pressure and the stress and all of it. The whole thing was wild. I had a great time, but it was such an emotional experience. Kind of a beating too.

Yeah. Yeah. You wake up with bruises and things. You don't know what's going on. Everything's moving so fast. You're sprinting, you're banging your head, and then they want you to get to a party at 2 a.m. You've already done an 18 hour day. Paul over here. What would you like? What do you think? Yeah. And then it's amazing. It's like ridiculous. You go through all these walls of fatigue. But David and I can tell you that being host is amazing.

generally speaking, so much harder to be a cast member. Yeah. Cause you're in everything. Yeah. You're in everything. And you can be an update. You could be in the cold opening. You do a pre-tape. Yeah. Well, it was very exciting. And then the second time I went back, I think,

I think it was the second time Paul McCartney was my, was the musical guest. So I, I mean, it was incredible. By the way, the first musical guest I had was Beyonce. The second one was McCartney. And I've had amazing musical acts. So you get to go, ladies and gentlemen, Paul McCartney. So all these dream, dream state fever dreams. I still have the cue card. He signed it for me. And he looks over at you. Yeah.

What would you like me to say on it, Paul? I got a call. It was about one in the morning and Bill Hader called me. Hey, it's Bill Hader. He says, you want to know who, sorry I'm calling so late, but I have to tell you, you want to know who your musical guest is? Oh, really? He said, Paul McCartney. And I just couldn't go back to sleep. Goddamn. Well, here's your music. I think this is the guy Fred Armisen was talking about. It sounds familiar. You had One Direction, you had DJ Khaled,

Out of those musical guests, do you have anyone's number? You know what? I think I had Niall Horan from One Direction. He works at Urban Outfitters now.

No, I'm kidding. That's the old spade. I would have said that. I don't say that anymore. That's the Hollywood Minute spade. No, that's the old guy. I don't do that. And then we emailed each other a few times. They were great. Yeah, how fun. They were super. They were awesome. Cool. And it was so crazy because it was like the height of One Direction. Oh my God, how crazy. People were sleeping outside and yeah. And they're mad you're the one walking out. They're like, where the fuck is Harry Styles? By the way, totally. Yeah, no shit.

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It's hard to get to know, like, we were told sort of between the lines, don't talk to the host a lot. Like, don't, you know, you don't want to get in their face when you're a cast member. Other than, because it's like, when do you get to know each other during a week? Because, you know, you do read through and you leave and you're sort of separate and you leave. And then in rehearsals, you're sitting around for a little bit. So you can kind of bullshit about it while you're in between. We're going to fix something. Give us a minute. Fixing a light.

And then you kind of get to know the host a little just because you're right next to them. And then you do this, do this. There's the show, but everything's moving a million miles an hour. Then there's a wrap party. And then you feel like this kinship

but you didn't know anyone that well, but it's sort of a good feeling because you went through this. So the next time you host might be more fun because you feel like you've got a base now with everybody. Right. And you sort of know that. Well, I imagine it's different with every host. Yeah. Because the first time I did it and subsequently second, third time, I mean, I've known people on the show and have been friends with people on the show. And you do guest spots too. I had done guest spots, yeah, but the...

The idea, it's like, okay, well, that first day they were coming around and giving a pitch. And then I thought, okay, well, I can at least go hang out with my friends and talk about sketches. So, you know, you guys know how that week works. And then if Tuesday comes around and you go out to dinner with Lauren and a few other people from the show, some hosts will then just go back to their schedule.

hotel after that dinner. Yeah. I live in New York, but it, so it's like, I just have to go home, but also after the dinner, well, I'm going to go back to 30 rock and help them write, sit with the writers and hang out with my friends and maybe try and come up with ideas. And so I was, I have always been, um, every time I posted in those rooms and trying to, you know, pitch things or, or help with if people are writing things that kind of

go around and... That is the fun. You know, you sit on some filthy couch and you shoot around ideas and you're like, this could be on national TV in three days. And it's just, you guys are laughing, saying the stupidest shit, going, what if we put that in there? What if we say, I like it a juice? I mean, those sketches...

writing them and you hear them in the hallway and you go, this sounds funny. Massive procrastination with anxiety. It's getting low. It's two. Okay. It's three. At some point we got to make its decision. And then it's a fury of like, we'll do this. We'll do this. We'll do this. You know? Yeah. But,

But whenever I see people with talent, I'm always in awe of them when I see them start to do their thing. Like Kristen Wiig was kind of shy and just like, hey, what's up? And then she just all of a sudden, this like monster character or something. Super talent. Did you experience that in a way with different cast members where you're like, like Bill Hader is so shy and Fred Armisen, they're so sweet and shy and soft-spoken when you first meet them. And then they go out there, what the fuck's going on? You know, they're just like.

And you think, how can you be talented? You're quiet and polite.

There are, well, they're, those guys are comedy savants. I mean, I don't know how, and Kristen, I mean, they're like genius, really incredible what they do. And, you know, um, I'm always amazed and I'm, I'm such a fan, such a fan of funny people and comedy and people that have been on that show, fans of you guys. And so like to, to, you know, see, to see all of this stuff kind of

you know, in person and then get to do it with them. It's pretty mind boggling. Yeah, and to see Kristen Wiig, she can kind of, she can do everything. - Yeah, to see them in their natural habitat when they get into a character and they're in a sketch and they're cooking,

It's really fun to watch everybody killing it. Yeah. It's also fun, like you said, when you're kind of rehearsing a sketch or they're figuring stuff out and you're standing around with everybody. Yeah, that's a fun part. It's fun to see cast members who are obviously really close with one another start to do

It's the king of it. And so hanging out is hilarious. Yeah, we would do that. Totally. I would try to write people into sketches. I just wanted to hang out with.

Like, you know what I mean? Just put everyone in. Cause I know rehearsal is kind of boring. They just have the tape on the floor. You don't know where this is. This is fucking set isn't even made yet. And then you're just blah. And they're like, okay, hold on. We got a lighting thing. And then you're just making fun of each other. And someone's eating in the corner and the pressure's off at that point. It's not pressure. You're just trying to get the blocking down and,

And it gets harder throughout the week, but it's definitely fun. You do Wednesday and you hopefully it lands, right? Well, that's the read through. Right. By Thursday, you run it for the crew and they kind of giggle. There's no sets. First time, second time. But you get a feel for it. We get a feel with the crew. You get a feel for the couple of laughs. By the time the dress show came around,

on Saturday, I was thinking we got nothing, you know, I'd been beat down. We got nothing. All the rehearsals and all the walkthrough. Did you feel that? Did you feel that like this thing peaked on Thursday? Oh yeah. No one's laughing anymore. We depend on the crew. They've already heard it five times. You're like,

And then hopefully sometimes at dress, you're like, damn, this is killing. It's really fun. But then you have to not peek at dress. How did you manage that? Well, I just, I just want to try and make my way through it. Imagine peeking at dress and not, and not, but that has happened. I mean, there was one sketch that I think like repeatedly kept coming back that I always liked and it never made the show.

And I think the second or third time, I said, look, we tried again, but we never got through it. If it goes through read through, it doesn't get on. It's got a stink on it. Even if there's no, if there's no other reason other than someone just read it wrong and they forgot to the accent and you go, no, no, it's just, they go, Nope. The second time we read, everyone just leans back and you're like, don't you fucking take a dive on this one. It's good. It's hard to resuscitate it. Or if it got on dress and goes away,

there's always that, well, there's a reason it didn't get on air. So it's hard. It went on dress and then it didn't go. And I always loved it. Give it a chance. Do you want to share with us? It was about the giving tree. I remember it was a dad reading giving tree to his kids, not realizing that it's so sad. And he starts to spiral out and, and, and then, you know, winds up crying and

you know, uh, drinking and the cops come to the house. I mean, it, it, you know, it just evolves into this, uh, even now as I describe it, I'm thinking, no, I see why this, what was the, what was the kid's name?

In the sketch. I don't remember where the kids' names were. I'm just trying to do an impression of Lorne not thinking the sketch is going well at read-through. I think maybe Bobby Moynihan might have been one of the kids, but I think maybe a girl was, one of the girls might have been named Susie. Susie's sad. Bobby sits back.

Bobby has a tear. This is at read through. He's reading stage direction. Right. Yep. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. And it's starting, you know, like this one's not going to make sense. Memory is, has there ever been like for you guys, did you ever do a sketch that like was the biggest surprise that it was the sketch killed so hard and you really didn't see that one coming? Is there one that sticks out for either one of you that,

Well, I would say, if you want to go, David, from my very first SNL, I'd never done sketch. And the Church Lady sketch with Sigourney Weaver and Phil Hartman and stuff moved up to the first sketch. And then it really killed. And it really, it shocked me. I'd never had a dress on. I'd done a little bit of the character in my standup. So that was a big surprise. Yeah.

Yeah, I just did one where it wasn't that big of a sketch, but where I was a receptionist and I kept condescendingly talk to people and go, and you are like, it was like a Hollywood person didn't really made people explain their credits. And then it was last in the show and got put to first in the live show. And it was Roseanne. Phil came in as Jesus.

And there was one other person, but it killed. And it was first one up. And that was rarely happening with me. Dana had happened every week. But to get the first sketch out was a big one. When I did the Pepper Boy with Sandler. Pepper Boy. It wasn't really happening throughout the week. It wasn't really. It did not happen at dress. But we both just went for it hard. Of course, we had Farley in there, too. The ultimate button. So that crushed on air.

enough that Sandler called me at four in the morning, just said, Carvey, Pepper Boy. That was it. It's hard to kill in a restaurant sketch in the corner. Yeah. You know, it's not at home base, right, Paul? I mean, you know, hard to time the laughs. You can't quite hear the audience. Yeah, yeah. You're kind of off to the side. It's true. And the audience is above you. Where you're doing the sketch on stage makes it...

A difference, huh? Yes, because you can immediately kind of feel and hear the audience or you're not sure you scored. They're watching it on a 12-inch TV in the audience. You know what I mean? They're like, oh, wait, because they can't see you. It's a really interesting point that you don't hear about that often, where you're actually doing it physically. Well, when I got used to this process, I would go to where the set designers were. They had a little map of 8H, and I'd look at my sketch, and I'd see it in the corner.

And I'd say, could I get this near home base or whatever? And they go, well, not, not if there's a fucking cheater, they go, not if there's an entrance. I, so what if I take the entrance out? Oh yeah. Then we can move it here. Oh my God. No kidding. That's fascinating. Oh yeah. No, I learned all the trees. That's true. You got to do it. You know,

What about Please Don't Destroy? That group was really good, Paul. You did one called Good Variant. I saw it. It was funny as shit. They got a lot of different moves in those things. Yeah. Well, you know, we were supposed to do a version of that. Those guys are great, by the way. The fifth time, my fifth time I hosted the show was canceled the day of.

I think it's the only time in SNL history that a show got canceled that day. Was that the Tom Hanks one with you? Well, Tom Hanks was there. Tom Hanks and Tina were there because they had come in because they were in the monologue because there was a big, huge five-timer thing. And then the show got canceled at about two or three in the afternoon, but they were already there. So we were trying to come up with a show on the fly. It was really a fascinating thing to see and be a part of.

But earlier in that earlier that week, I was going to do a, uh, please don't destroy video, a version of the good variant. Um, but the shoot got canceled because one of the guys got COVID. Oh, same. And so they had already had a crew and the, uh, camera, everything was set up to film something that night. So we took a sketch and turned it into a,

into a film and then we filmed that and then they showed that during the show was it that one no it was the one uh home goods it was a show it was the one with uh with ad and kate and about wanting grandkids and and oh yeah yeah okay i remember that yeah so that was that was done in place of the please don't destroy it was it was covid closure right and it was uh yeah because it it

it happened it was that week where the really uh that omicron variant came back hard yeah yeah yeah people were yeah everyone thought it was kind of going away and then it came back hard around november or something yeah yeah it was i mean it was really uh tense and then you know we were all going through our testing and then that morning i remember going in and getting tested saturday morning crossing your fingers totally and i remember i got the results of my test it came back negative

And I, I was just jumping for joy. Like, thank God. Perfect. And then, and then the whole thing got shut down. Can't do without the host. So you get through and then they shut it down anyway. That's such a drag. It was a bummer. And that, that monologue was weird because I, I hosted for Kimmel once and it was in a house.

with a monologue with no people. So I said to the crew before you, we were rehearsing and I go, you can laugh. They go, Oh, we're not supposed to. I go, please God, give me a tiny noise, anything to play off of just to dart my eyes around, just to make it feel like there's some life in here because just to nothing is too hard. So when you did yours, I could hear a little bit of something that must've been crew or writers or something.

Yeah. And I think that's what it was. Um, and you know, Michael Che and, and, and, and Kenan stuck around, but that, that was it. And, uh, and yes, when the crew guys, and so there was some

laughter and Higgins was there. But it was so strange. It was such a weird feeling. That was one of the weirdest, most, I mean, just no audience on Saturday Night Live. No audience and also no real rehearsal, no nothing. Nothing. And for the hours before the show, it's like, well, what do we do? I mean, we have to write something.

and figure out what it is. And I remember Lauren saying, do you have any Christmas, you know, episode that you really like? And I said, you know, I remember when I was in high school seeing Steve Martin talk about, you know, his Christmas wish and memorized it. And I loved it because Steve Martin and, and so it was great. We'll dig it up. It's on, it's in the show.

Wait a minute, you now officially have joined the 70-timer club of someone who does a great Lauren. Yeah. It is so weird. Whenever you are around anybody, it doesn't matter when they were on SNL, as soon as people start talking about Lauren, they just start going into Lauren. They go right into it. They go right into it.

You spent a lot of time with Lauren because Lauren spends a lot of time with the host and also you get started. You're a friend of the show. You're the third Paul he likes. Paul McCartney, Paul Simon. I like all the Pauls. No, we love him too. He's an amazing, brilliant guy. Yeah, nobody's ever done what he's done. Not even close. Yeah. I mean, 50 years. Are you going to be at the 50th?

I certainly hope so. Yeah. I mean, I would love to. I was at the 40th, which was, I mean, what a incredible. That was a real fucking blast. I remember we had a little running gig. I just had met you that night or something. That's exactly right. Liked you right away. And every time I'd go do something, I'd say to you, I'm going to bring you up. It's so ridiculous. I'm going to do Wayne's World. I'm going to bring you up.

That's right. Yeah, that was the 40th. But so with Lorne and your relationship, do you have any, I mean, I hate to say, hey, I don't have any stories about Lorne, but did you ever stay all night at the party or do you kind of, because Lorne will stay till 6 a.m., do you kind of go, Lorne, I got to go or-

No, I'll never, I'll never leave early. Um, especially if I'm sitting at a table with Lauren. I mean, I will, uh, you know, even recently I went just to, to, um, watch the show and it's like, I'm at that party and it's like the greatest thing I'm sitting with. I went with Marty and Steve were hosting.

And, uh, and I'm at the table after with Martin short and Lauren. And then of course I'm in the middle and I just want to start hearing them talk about three amigos, which of course happened. Yeah. And, uh, and it's, it's amazing. It's amazing. There, there are, there are many times that I just kind of step outside of what's actually happening in the moment and say, can, I cannot,

I cannot believe this. I just can't believe it. And there's something like having it on the show with these guys. I had it at that, at that table, listening to the three amigos stories. I had it when I was hosting SNL and Paul McCartney was the musical guest. And there were many times that week that I mean, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And I had that same thing. I did a, I did a, I did one of those. I did a, you know, a lonely Island video at that week. And Andy and I,

they pulled him Paul McCartney who did a little thing on it. And we were standing around the three of us for an hour and he was just telling us stories about John Lennon and the Beatles and everything. Wow. Now I'm jealous. Yeah. I'll tell you one of the, honestly, one of the coolest things I have ever experienced ever. Right.

was on the Thursday, you know, Thursday for people that don't know, that's when the band really kind of comes in for the first time and they do their run through. And so we were taking those pictures that they use for the bumpers next to the stage. So Thursday comes in, Thursday happens, the band comes in

and we're taking pictures and um marianne and i said we're not going to take pictures we have to go watch paul mccartney so we did and um he performed i played a couple of songs and then there was a grand piano on the floor and um he didn't know what he was really going to play so he just came down and sat behind the piano and there's maybe you know the crew is there it's probably about 20 people

And he sat down at the piano and he just started playing the long and winding road. Wow. I got chills. I got chills. I know. And I was standing 10 feet, 10 feet behind him, you know, and, and I'm just, I hadn't met him. I hadn't, I was just kind of observing and like, I couldn't believe I was in the same room with Paul McCartney, but I was standing behind him and I was looking at his hands playing the keys and I was looking at his feet, pressing the pedals and hearing him sing long and winding road.

I'm thinking, oh my God, that's the, that's him. That's the guy who made this. And those are the foot pedals that he, you know, that he pressed that same way when he recorded it. And it was,

It was amazing. It was just amazing. And everyone applauded when he finished. He said, oh, thank you. Thank you. Then he went into Lady Madonna and then more people kind of started coming into the room and Lauren came in and he wound up playing about 10 Beatles songs just for us in the room. Just piano. Just piano. Yeah.

You know, how does he come up with those middle eights, they call them, the change-ups and the chord structure and how it just hits you every time? Emin Lennon. It's divine. There's no, I mean, I'm in that, I don't think, they're the greatest band that has ever existed. They're the greatest band that ever will exist. They are like Shakespeare. They're like Bach. They're like every several hundred years, somebody or something comes along that redefines music.

that kind of beauty. And, um, and I think the Beatles are that they are for me.

I couldn't have said that better. That's really well put in. Cheryl Crow said to us that she thought that Blackbird and Yesterday were the greatest songs ever written for her. There's so many. That's the thing. They have so many. And she thought it was, she didn't say it in a heavy way, almost divine. There's almost something like, how did those two guys essentially go to high school together and then find those other two guys and find George Martin and write a hundred masterpieces together?

In six years. It was crazy. And maybe record three of them in one day. Yeah. Remember Dana when he said... We talked to him, Paul, and he said during that Get Back thing we were fawning over. The documentary. Unbelievable. He said he came in with... Was it yesterday? And he goes...

Well, for that one, he did have long and windy road and he had get back, you know, he was in kind of, he said, I came with it and I go, do you walk in? Like I got a fucking banger. And he goes, no, you can't. You have to go under and just go, Hey, I got it. I got one. If you guys want to hear it, I worked on just to probably just for ego wise, like let everyone go, let us find it if we like it, you know? And I think it was either yesterday or some other monster. Well, yesterday was a little earlier, but he plays it. He was, he, he did.

he did, uh, and they love it. Let it be on, on, on. Yeah. Oh yeah. That was playing that. And then, um, uh, and then my God, when he sits down, he's playing and he is playing, uh, get back and George and Ringo are just sitting across from listening and Ringo starts clapping his hands to a beat. And you just think, and same thing, like, I'm, how are we seeing this? This is the first time these guys are hearing this.

They don't know what this song is going to be. It's just, it's magical. I couldn't get over that, that I wanted nine more hours. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Wow. I mean, you know, I get in my age group, I was, you know, watching them in real time, having older brothers. So I was nine when they're on Ed Sullivan, but I love when I hear someone who probably first heard them in the seventies, late seven after that, because the,

The wave was so high and by they left at 69, I don't think anybody, even them understood what had happened. Right. And then people like you come along and then younger people keep coming along and we're all trying to figure it out.

And Dennis Miller said to me, he doesn't, he can figure out the stones. He can figure out Pink Floyd. Dennis Miller said he can figure out Zeppelin. And he goes, honest to God, Carvey, I can't wrap my mind around the Beatles. Okay. It's too much. I know. It's true. Because they have that thing that, yeah,

You can't define. It's something otherworldly. It's why if you play the Beatles for kids now, they caught none of them. There's just, it's hitting all of us on some kind of level that is something else. I don't know what it is, but. I'll show you this thing I just got, Paul. I got fucking Lennon's glasses from that photo. No way.

Oh my God. Oh, his real glasses? Real glasses from that phone. Oh, wow. Isn't that sick? Damn, David is holding up a picture of John Lennon and he bought the glasses at an auction. I'm just telling the listeners. It was a bit steep, but it was because you never see shit like that come along. And I saw it and I was like, and I called the auction place and he goes, well,

it's going to go up. I said, I got to try to get in there. And I just got horny for it. I was like, it's too fucking cool. Cause when in your life, Lennon and McCartney and, and they had proof it was his. And I said, oh, I used to with a friend of mine at the, some of the SNL parties, everyone's really, you know, just cool. People are coming to the SNL party. Maybe it's Elton John or whatever. And we used to imagine, you know, what if John Lennon could walk in, you know, we were like, who would just, everyone would just stop and,

So anyway, I'm with you, Paul, you, me, Fred Armisen and David, whoever else wants to join us, we should have dinner and just fan out on, I mean, there are like, I can't, I will talk about the Beatles forever. Just once that subject comes up or if I see a picture or if there's some kind of video clip or something, um,

I know. I love the unheralded ones kind of compared to we hear, let it be a lot. And Hey Jude, they're brilliant, but here, there, and everywhere for no, for no one. I mean, no reply by John Lennon is one of the most heartbreaking pieces of, and Paul maybe wrote the middle eight. Anyway, back to Paul Rudd, who's a super beetle fan.

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Was it around Clueless or around after that? No, God. It wouldn't have been Clueless. But did that get you paid after that or did it take another five years? No, no, no, no. Not at all. I'm going to guess. Let me see if that was 95. Oh, by the way, we came out 95 and so did Billy Madison. So Clueless, Tommy Boy, Billy Madison.

Oh, that was fucking some comedies. My God. Yeah. Yeah. I don't way, way, way later, way late. It might've been, it might've been like actually kind of around Marvel.

Because it wasn't that you were an ensemble one, so they can't pay everyone that much if you're in a movie with Will Ferrell or Steve Carell. Oh, yeah, yeah. You had a lot of those. So then when it was Paul Rudd's movie, then they did a little bit better. Honestly, I'm just like, I'm just happy to work. Of course. And certainly with those guys. I mean, you know, do it for free. Wet Hot American Summer is...

a little nugget that's just, that might, I mean, now I don't remember everything about it, but I remember going, this is a cool movie. And we, I, I tried to get that director to do something, I think, because I thought I go, Oh shit, this is such a weird, funny, cool, low budget. Well done. You must hear about that one a lot. Yeah. It, it, it, um,

I think it was probably partially responsible for me getting cast in Anchorman, honestly, because it was a movie that came out and, and you know, no one knew it really, but comedy fans and comedy writers really kind of took to it. And, and I, I loved it when I read it, it took a while to get it made. No one wanted to make it, but, um,

I had met David Wayne and show Walter and a lot of those guys, they were in a comedy troupe called the state that used to be on MTV. And, um, you know, they lived in New York and I lived in New York and, um, and I was a comedy fan anyway, and we had some mutual friends. And so I met them and, and David said, we have this script. Uh, if you want to read it, I think I had just done clueless. I mean, it wasn't that long afterward. And, um,

And I read it and thought, I've never, like, this is the funniest thing I've ever read. And you never get to really read anything that really makes you laugh like that. Or I certainly hadn't up until that point. I felt that way with Anchorman too, but, um,

I used to keep that script around and just read it for pleasure because it was so funny. Well, also to get it from the script to the screen, there's so many ways you can screw it up. I'm sure you know this. I've done a lot of comedy movies and some just don't connect by the time you go through all the process and you're like, fuck, where did it go wrong? Well, I think that with that, it was just like...

there weren't many cooks in the kitchen and it was, it didn't, it didn't, it, you know, had a very small budget. No one was really paying any attention and we filmed it at a summer camp and it was people, everyone that worked on it. I think we all had similar scent sensibilities and we found the same things funny. And so meatballs or something. Yeah. Yeah. It was like a singular voice. And I remember Zach Orth, the actor that he, a friend of mine that was working on the film halfway through said,

I don't know if this movie will ever come out. I just want to get a copy of it. It's a very good sign. I just wonder, you know, when I'm looking at these notes here, you know, studying your career, it's quality. I mean, I don't see any evidence of you taking a role because...

because you needed the money or something. It just seems like there's a consistent theme with you. It's all the way through. You did Living With Yourself, you executive produced, got a Golden Globe nomination where you played opposite yourself. All kinds of quality work. So were you ever tempted, like have they backed up the Brinks truck for

I mean, but commercials are totally fine. I would do any commercial if anyone's listening right now. In the 90s, you weren't supposed to do them. Taco Bell, sorry. But have you gotten stuff where because of Paul Rudd, you know, the image that you're like, I'd like to take a lot of money. It's just not for me. You know, you're at that point now where you have to navigate that.

Well, yeah, I think that I'd say through the majority of my career, I've always tried to make as many decisions. If I had the luxury of making a decision to have it be an artistic decision and never trying to do anything for the money.

Um, that's usually good. Sometimes, sometimes you, you, you have to, I could certainly point you to a couple on that resume that say, well, that one, I kind of like, okay, well, we'll ignore that. No, I would say not, I would say, uh, of, of the decisions that I've made in my career, 97 to 98% of that has been because I really thought

uh, it was something I wanted to do and that it had the potential to be something fun or interesting or something I would want to see. Um, and, and I tried to always have that kind of be my guiding light when I was in my twenties and thirties and I wanted to be an actor. I really also went a different kind of way. And I would always think of bands that I really liked. I would just always think of music always seemed to kind of,

be the North star for me more so than other actors or, uh,

acting careers. I would just think of musicians that I liked and I liked lots of cool indie musicians. And I thought, well, would, you know, would Tom Waits think this is cool? Would he do this? Would Elvis Costello do this? Would he make this decision? And it seemed like all the things that I liked were artistic decisions made by people who I admired. And so I really tried to kind of follow that path with comedies that, you know, I think, uh,

with Wet Hot American Summer. And then when Anchorman came around, those were two things I really, really wanted to do because I felt as if more than anything else I'd ever read up until that point, it spoke to...

uh, me and my own kind of what I thought was funny. Um, and I really wanted to be a part of that. Um, and, and I think that that then turned into working with Judd over and over again. I didn't see much like the Ant-Man thing. I didn't see that lane coming. I did not expect over the following many years to work with a lot of those guys again, uh, on a lot of comedies. Um, you know, it, it still is the most fun. It still is. Uh,

But it was always, I think I was always following that. Like, this would be fun. I think this is funny. I really like these people. I like these actors. I'd love to be a part of this. Wow. I think you're twin, the two lanes that explain this. One is what you just said and the other of never losing a sense of awe and wonder. Yeah.

of this remarkable good fortune we have to be a show business. And you know, you meet people that get bitter or kind of angry or whatever, you know, rather than just like, I can't believe we're able to actually do this on any level, you know? I mean, right now I'm working. I think that all the time, you know, even it's like you're in the middle of some, some,

and you're just going some improvisation about farts or something. You think, I'm at work right now. This is my job. So-

Okay. Before we let you get back to your other job. So you label things. Kevin Nealon told me you love a P-touch, which you make labels. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love myself a P-touch. And you put labels on everything. You have one? This is my fall right, too. That just organizes your brain to get it labeled. These are my AirPods. And, by the way, it's my second case. That's why it says number two on it. That's hot.

All right. So that's, are you of, uh, with your wife and you, are you're the tidy one or, or equally as far as how having the kitchen clean and stuff like that? Uh, well, she can be, she's pretty clean. She'll, you know, uh, but I, I think that there's a,

There's a level that I will take it that is maybe a little. Yeah, I'm kind of the same. A little too Gene the anal retentive chef. Yeah. Do you have any other secret show business dream?

I mean, would you want to get to a Gary Oldman, like playing Churchill kind of thing or, you know, or a Scorsese movie where you're a gangster or just whatever comes? I don't know. Yeah. You know, I don't, I don't necessarily think in terms of like a type of role, but I mean, I would certainly like to do things I haven't done and work with many people that, you know, like great directors like Scorsese and so many incredible directors. If Tarantino wanted you in a film, would you take the call? In a heartbeat.

For sure. That's a good plan. I got obsessed with the last one. Once upon a time in Hollywood. Oh my God. I saw it so many times. It's so good. Yeah. He's great. What an amazing director. Yeah. Yeah. I would, I would jump at the chance. Coen brothers. I mean, like it just, there's so many, there's so many. You're just going to say yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Lee. I mean, there's so many great directors. Most people, I think, probably wouldn't think of me for some of these things at this point. But I would love to do more kind of versatile, you know, dramatic roles or whatever. But I don't know. I've also haven't really tried to, for better or worse, guide my career by thinking about

Thinking, well, I just did a comedy. Now I'm going to do something really dramatic. I think other actors probably do that and it might be smart. I just think like, oh, that'd be fun. Yeah. It doesn't always sync up perfectly like that. No, no. And that's the other thing too, is that people always say, well, why did you choose this? And why did you choose that? And I want to say, well, you know, you don't always get to choose. There's a bit of whimsy to it. Jack Palance told me that once. They got all the parts. It's all about the parts.

And if you get the parts, Spencer Tracy got, took that part. I didn't get to do that part. I don't do a Jake plants. That's an old reference lost on younger viewers. Not at all. You start doing some one arm pushups right now. Oh yeah. All right. Well, thank you, Paul. Thank you. You're a fucking stud. This has been really interesting and enjoyed it very much. Yeah. So I feel like I know you a lot better than I did after the 40th. I know. Well, this is the great thing when, when I see you at the 50th,

We're going to really have a lot to talk about. And I'm coming up. If you bring me up on the 50th, I'm coming. I'll be so excited to see you. I'll kiss you on both cheeks. Yeah. And then go, what did I just do? I'll be Dana's plus one. Paul, thanks, buddy. Very cool of you to come on and talk. Thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate it. Say hello to Steve and Marty. And I've never met Meryl Streep. Selena. Tell her I love her.

I will tell her. I will absolutely tell her. Thanks, Paul. All right. Hey, what's up, flies? What's up, fleas? What's up, people that listen? We want to hear from you and your dumb questions. Questions, ask us anything. Anything you want. You can email us at flyonthewallatcadence13.com. David, have you ever been to Paris?

You have. Because you would really fit in right now. You've been to Ireland. Oh, me? Yeah. Yeah, that is so Parisian. What? It's just a Parisian. It's cool. This whole thing? It's freezing in here. Dana. David. We have a Q&A question. It's very hip. We have questions. Greetings to my favorite SNL alumni, Anne Spade.

I'm a huge fan of both Dana and David. It would be a lifelong dream to speak to them. Well, you get an email. That's close. My question for them would be, you're on a plane and the plane is going down. Tragic, horrible scenario. Kind of cryptic question so far. And you have a chance to enjoy one last pleasure before it goes down. Do you A, eat your favorite snack? B, drink your favorite drink? C, kiss the stewardess that's up for it? D, make someone laugh?

E through Z. Look out the window and watch. Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys, to cheer you up. My first question for him is Bobby. Could it be a derailed train in the Swiss Alps? Because that seems kind of cool in a way. Similar, yeah. Build a fire. Less scary. In an igloo. What out of his choices? Choices. Snack, drink, kiss, laugh, or just do nothing.

I would probably slam a drink and just, I'd get some 1942 tequila because I, for once, wouldn't worry about how much it costs. I would probably, I would reenact in the aisleway your squib farty thing from Morning Shot.

Dude, what? From Warning Shot. You sent me the trailer. Warning Shot. Hell yeah. Did you ever see the trailer? I did. It's hysterical. This is a great movie. Warning Shot with David playing like a mob heavy. A serious heavy guy. Very serious mob guy. And one of our big famous people we interviewed said we should do a sequel to Warning Shot.

It's a good movie, by the way. So I'm not making fun of that part. I'm making fun of a story I told about the shooting. Heather, do you remember that story? Absolutely. I always thought you should play a mob boss. I want to play a bad guy in the new Megan movie. So I'm going to check it. Megan, that doll that everyone wants to fuck. Megan, did you know Megan is a robot? Megan is the robot. And I saw a picture and she's like, hi. I'm like...

She's nine. Do we have to give her a heavy eye makeup? Kylie Jenner lip kit. She's got her hair blowed out. Went to the blow dry bar. I'm like, can you just be a robot and get some fucking shit for me and like do beep bop boop? It's like, hey, what's up? I'm Megan. I have an OnlyFans. What's happening? Go ahead. No, that's a great observation. Is that off the top of your head? Yeah, it's a robot. What's your IQ, man? It's a robot movie. Oh, I know of it. I haven't seen it. We watch all creatures, great and small. Would you like me to do anything for you? Oh, uh...

Yeah, go get the paper. Anything else? Megan. Oh, hello, I'm Megan. I'm just saying. And I am a robot and I'm hot. I know. Megan, can I change your voice? Because it's not as sexy going. Well, I don't know. Isn't that what her voice is? Kind of nasally? I am Megan and I am a hot robot. We got to change your voice.

Make her more hotter. Bobby, that question was awesome. Yeah, Bobby, good job. I hope we fulfilled your wishes. This has been a podcast presentation of Cadence 13. Please listen, then rate, review, and follow all episodes. Available now for free wherever you get your podcasts. No joke, folks.

Fly on the Wall has been a presentation of Cadence 13, executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Chris Corcoran of Cadence 13, and Charlie Finan of Brillstein Entertainment. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman with production and engineering support from Serena Regan and Chris Basil of Cadence 13.