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Yes, I have actually stayed at Airbnbs from time to time. And truth be told, I do really like them. I'm being totally honest right now that I've had great experiences with them. Yeah. I mean, you can have your look at you go get your own place, get your own pool, your own living room. You're not going to walk in an elevator. You're not going to see people when you're walking around in your undergarments. Yeah.

Yes. And if you don't understand what we're talking about, you should go online. What we're saying is you have a house with a kitchen and a bathroom and it's just for you, tailored for you. You liked your Airbnb over a hotel. Yes. And I do think I've had relatives stay nearby and sometimes it's very nice for them to do an Airbnb and have a little house and they're not underfoot. The last thing you want is your house guest to say, excuse me, um,

Where would I find a towel? That's a toughie when it's because they're naked. Well, it's like the 1800 time you say on the towel rack. Yeah. Thank you. I was going to look there. People don't even think hotels sometimes just go, hey, I'll go there. I'll get an Airbnb. So you won't regret it.

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At Robert Half, we know talent. Visit roberthalf.com today. Well, we got Neil Brennan today, Dana. And before we start, I wanted to say our YouTube for Superfly got to 100,000 subscribers. That's nice. Applause. Wow. Here we go. And a lot of nice comments. People are seeing the clips and they go over to watch it on YouTube, which is nice. You know, we have a known big fan of Superfly.

Who's that? Joe Biden. Yeah, it's good stuff. It's the flies. It's like a fly, but a super fly away. It's because of the David Spade, Dan O'Connor. I can't believe it's not butter. Oh, that's nice that he said that. Yeah. And we got Neil Brennan today on Fly on the Wall. And Neil's an old buddy. Well-spoken stand-up. Has a special out right now. He's had him out before.

A lot of fun to talk to and a very sharp,

Yeah, very thoughtful person about the human experience. He has a podcast called Blocks. We can promote that. His podcast is about people who have mental health things they may not be aware of. He has comedians on and talks through stuff. So he's very interesting to talk to just about life in general. Very bright guy and has a new Netflix special. He's got a new Netflix special out right now. He'll tell you all about it.

And I have a blast talking to him. I live near him, so I see him out. But he's part of the Chappelle situation, the Chappelle show, co-created that. He's gone on to do a lot of things. He writes for a lot of people. He kind of knows everybody, I think because he is so open about what he's thinking and what he's feeling. And

For this particular episode, he'll talk about how he dealt with his depression and how it got lifted with different, a method that you will find very, very interesting. It's made him a much more content person. I'm pretty tight about my craziness. So I haven't been on blocks, but I will one day unveil my craziness to everyone.

I'm doing a side podcast just called Blocks and it's literal blocks that you play with on the floor. So it's me with Lego. I could do that one. And a guest. The guest and I just milled a little Lego village as we chat. That's nice. Well, until that airs, here's Neil Brennan with Fly on the Wall. Let's talk.

I got carded legally by an English-speaking person wearing a baseball cap at age 53. What? Do we brag about the last time we got carded? Is this a segment on the show? We do this. You have blocks. You have your thing. This is our thing. Yeah, yeah. Last time. I got carded in Thailand trying to buy a ladyboy when I was...

I'm kidding. Not all of us. So, Neil, we're just... Guys! Hold on, let me switch headphones. Yeah, of course. Have we ever run into each other? Are we meeting right now? No, we have run into each other. Just really quickly. At the John Lovitz Comedy Club.

In a universal city. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yes. And that's what I thought. And so I hope there, I hope there's not another one. Is there another one? The chain, it didn't turn into a chain as quickly as we thought. I don't want to, uh, John's a friend, but you know, as a comedian, you're kind of like, oh, you got to, it's at universal studio. So you park in Jurassic park.

You got to walk a quarter mile. You go in, it's built for blues. There's a three-tier thing. So people on the top level are looking down at the top of your head and talking amongst themselves. And the stage is really high. And there's a lot of surfboards, right? Because Lovitz loves surfing. That was his theme. Maybe it was left over from B.B. King, but...

But yeah, John. Well, yeah, B.B. King, another avid surfer. He was getting up every morning at 5.30. Remarkably very funny. Yeah. Very funny. He had a good pattern between like a day. Yeah, really good pattern. And would remember like narratives between. He'd come back up and be like, how's your date going? He knew, you know what I mean? He did crowd stuff. Yeah, knew how to do it.

Wait, let's keep talking about the Universal Gangplex. 18 theaters. I used to go to those theaters, you know, because and also if you did the John Lovitz Comedy Club, when you after you'd walk through or swim through the Jaws theme to get there, you could get 10% off at Tony Roma's across the street.

Yeah, you absolutely could. You absolutely could. Your primary audience that was available with North Hollywood gangs that would just kind of infiltrate the mall. That was the audience you're drawing from. Other than that, it had good sound. John was very nice. They had good snacks. Try to think of something else. And they love, they love, be like, hey, Garth. What's up, Garth? Hey, Garth. Hey, you are Garth, right? Maybe this is Garth.

Yeah, Garth. Act like Garth for a minute. That's the thing, and it's a good problem to have. But if I try to do stand-up in a traditional setting, say, I can feel the audience. I guess the only thing worse than not having hits is having hits. I don't know what the word is, but they want me to do the characters they saw on SNL. So to our guest today, Neil Brennan.

Do you feel like, do you have classic bits that people yell out for at this point? Three mics! Do it, do it! I know, but no, what's funny is, so on the newest, the tour for the one that's out, for Crazy Good, the new Netflix that we're all talking about. I saw it. Is that true? You saw it? Oh yeah, I wouldn't have. So,

So, uh, great, great, great. So thank you. We're going to talk about, uh, yeah, no, um, yeah. Well, you did some stuff I haven't seen before. We'll talk about that later. So we're, we're, uh, I'm assuming this will be in the podcast. We're, we're all, we're three guys. All of it's on.

The parts for you guys shine? Fantastic. So I do a show, basically the act that's on Netflix, and a guy DMs me afterward and is like, dude, it was my birthday. I paid $150 for whatever, whatever. I kept waiting for you to show up. Basically, he was upset that I wasn't sadder.

He wanted me to be sad like I'd been in three mics and blocks and most of my life. And I wasn't sad enough. I'm sad that you're not sad. No, I know. It's a party's missing. I hate that you fix things. I want to go back and watch just stylistically or the way your shoulders are, just your physicality. It felt like it was Neil, but you say up front,

I feel good. It's almost like, whoa. I can't. So I could do two hours on this. I know you are very aware of psychology and emotion. So for our audience who doesn't know, you've famously been dealing with depression and having this really, but having this extremely successful career in comedy and standup. So that's kind of almost...

almost illogical in a way, but no one understands. Somehow that take you, you made it through that, but then something happened. I've only read your Wikipedia page. So tell us, how did you get less sad or kind of happy? I got less sad in a very, uh, sort of risky way, which is, uh, which is, uh, ayahuasca DMT and MDMA.

So most of the alphabet. Yeah, thank you. And I got into ayahuasca because our mutual friend Chris Rock sent me an article from the New York Times about ayahuasca. It was like, we got to do this, which is, you know you're old. You know you're old when you get your drug ideas from the New York Times. Your drug ideas. Yeah.

Rock's like, we gotta do this. - Did Rock do it too? - Yeah. - I didn't know. - Oh, that explains a lot. - Now I wouldn't think that Rock would do that. That doesn't seem like, he's very open-minded to a lot of stuff. - No, he's talked about it in public. I mean, he talked about it on like James Corden. I know he talked about it a few times, but yeah, we did it together and it was pretty, we did it together twice.

And it was pretty wild. I know he likes diarrhea. No, he loves diarrhea and loves puking. But and it's sort of his closers, he calls them. And so he so, yeah, so we did it together twice and I kept doing it.

But he's only, I don't know if he's done it recently, but. - Did you like Ron White? Did you guys go to a place or just do it in your room? - We didn't, yeah, Ron White went to a place. Me and Rock did it. Spade, we actually did it maybe at your old, remember when Rock was renting a place in Malibu? Like two years ago or during COVID, I think.

It might have been your old place, Spade. That you shared with Lovitz and Ted Sarandos bought? No, that was Lovitz lived right next to Lovitz and Gervitz. Yeah, they shared it. Lovitz and Gervitz lived next to...

I don't know. But that was the same beach. Go ahead. I just want to know, set the scene when you... Yeah, set the scene. Hey, Chris, he walks into the place or what? I want to hear the detail. I mean, now I feel like I'm telling his... All right, so he had a place. Oh, we know if it's personal. No, no, no, no, no. I don't... It's his... I don't get... He's talked about it enough.

It's not illicit. Just tell yours. You go in there and you have a helper? It was a guy. I got a private. A guy came and he was like a white guy and Rob was like, little Starbucks-y.

- So he's still funny until this time. - Yeah, no, you're still, yeah, you're still, we hadn't even done it yet. So then me, Rock, and then a few friends, maybe three or four friends of mine did it in the place Rock was renting and it took maybe four or five hours and it was just a very strong, have you done mushrooms?

I have done mushrooms, but not in only in my twenties. Yeah. It was like, it's like mushroom. I remember comparing it to mushrooms. And at one point being like, wow, like this is,

like mushrooms times like a hundred in terms of intensity, in terms of like what it could do. So, so, and then we did it again at another place that was more, we, it was still in LA, but we did it. It was like me and rock and 25, 25,

white, like crunchy white people. Crunchy white people. Now you've got this Rock's next special crunchy white people. Yeah, it was like very crunchy white people. And, uh, that was, and, and I would, I would say that you would have to ask him about it, but I will say I saw Rock get his ass whooped by, by the, by the ayahuasca in a good way.

He got, he got like, it was wild. The second time. Yeah. The second time. And I have a question. Like 15 times since. I did mushrooms, uh, Dane. I did, I did, uh, acid once. This is a while back. This is last Friday. I did, um, acid when I was probably what, you know, late teens, uh,

And I did mushrooms back then. It was the kind, you know, you get in a baggie, you buy from whoever, and then you just eat the stems and you think they're not working. And then you start sort of hallucinating. And so I was okay with that, but I had to be with other shroomers, my friends, because we were walking on the beach to a party. And when we were around people that weren't on it, we could not relate at all. We ran back to each other. So my experience was amazing.

I don't do them later in life because I get scared of getting out of control. Like back then I had nothing to live for. I had nothing going on. I was just like drug, drug, drug me up just for fun. I think I'd be scared now is the point. I think I'd be scared to get like out of my head a bit and be around people.

even though you're friends, that would help. But I don't know. It'd be a little scary for me. Yeah. Were you, was it scary at all? Were you nervous? Uh, a little bit. I don't, well, the thing of it is I don't do, it's like once you take it out of like a party setting, it can be just different. It'll just be like a different, it becomes like, you know, not to be pretentious, but like it just becomes more like ceremonial or something. So I,

I did, but I've done, I used to do, as you're telling me this, I remember I did mushrooms with Norm, Saget, Brewer, and Chappelle one time. I like forgot about it until you were just talking. It's a fun group. It was actually, it was, we were at like the Mondrian at the Sky Bar. It was like probably 1999 or something. And it was just too, but it was too, like too much energy. Yeah.

So yeah, so if you're gonna do it, try to do it away from people. And what does it get you after? So you come out of it and you go...

It affects your neurons. Think of neuroplasticity, et cetera. And ayahuasca in particular grows new neurons. It's the only substance on earth that can do it, that they found. Mine are dead. You will grow new neurons. So you grow new ones and it changes your brain, kind of. But having said that, it can also be like...

very, uh, I've seen people get possessed. I've seen wild stuff. So did you get a, what are you eating? Sorry. Is it like a pill or is it vegetables or what are you? It's a tea. Okay. And are you taste like a, it tastes like a, uh, espresso.

And are you getting, do you feel nauseous in the beginning, kind of like mushrooms did? I've only gotten, you get a little nauseous. I will say Rock generally has puked both times. I haven't. I puked once. I'm not embarrassed. I drank too much. So what, Neil? So what? Good for me. Yeah, I puked. So, so, yeah.

So, so yeah, so it's, it's a little, it's a little crazy, but, um, it's, it was effective for me, but I can't say like, do it everybody. It's like, it can, it can go a lot of different ways. I did it a lot in 2020 and 2021. And this past year I've done MDMA four or five times, and that's been helpful in a different way. Why is it different? Which ones for which? Uh, MDMA is Molly X. So you ever do that, Dana? No.

All right. I feel like a bully. You ever do it? Nerd. Yeah. That's changed me also. I'm going to be honest. It's opened my heart a little bit, guys. Okay. That's a good reason. It's a good place to be rather than hardened and cynical and being just organically empathetic.

Yes. People and wanting to, which I think Dana, you are generally, uh, you seem very empathetic. You've always struck me as very empathetic. Um, I don't know. My wife and I saw her across at our breakfast table, took a test personality test, 10 different types, uh,

Okay, blink, just do the question. And what would you come out as? Helper. What would you come out as? Helper. It can be toxic in the extreme. But yeah, my wife and I are very much like after you, after you. People ask me, how did you, did you let people, how did you navigate the Game of Thrones of Saturday Night Live? You know, because when you're like, hey, you can do that part. But it's not to that level. I also have a really competitive streak.

but I'm working on that too. I heard it. The late, great Warren Thomas told me a story about you in the 90s. And he said that you one time, Dana one time said that he wants the audience to die from laughing.

at him you want to kill so hard people die well I would say to people that I was in that scene in the late 70s early 80s and Rob Williams was there briefly and then gone and then he would come back as a you know a star Mork and Mindy and he would he would

create a small seismic event and i just i was naive i just thought i guess that's where you want to try to get to that if you can the most impossible what do you think the hardest you've ever killed is then yeah i want to hear you as well okay i'll think about it oh boy that goes back a long time i would say for me in anything in a sketch in a i would say um

In the early 80s, when I was really doing a lot of stand-up, I had done these goofy pilots and TV shows. And then I was working at this place called The Other Cafe, which Paula Poundstone went and a lot of people, 70s cedar, 60s cedar with a big window. And that's where I got so confident doing eight shows a week that the late shows, I would literally just kind of

go with what I wanted to do. And I had so much confidence. I was crushing in that room. And the reason is this is because

I was always a sketch player, but didn't know it. There was no groundlings up there. So I was always trying to do characters and sketch. So in this 60s cedar, where there was no hard liquor, was really helpful. In the Haight-Ashbury, where I met my wife, by the way. Those are the best sets I've ever had. Different kind of stand-up. Were you doing like, what were you doing? Like shopping bars?

Chop and Broccoli came from there. Church Lady came from there. I can only imagine how hard Chop and Broccoli must have killed in a 60-seater. CB, as it's known, CB. Thank you for helping this podcast. I know, I'm helping. So I would just say that. And then what happens is you go on Saturday Night Live and you're not doing as much stand-up.

And then they're offering you enormous amounts of money to play enormous rooms, but you're never really in the shape that you should or could be. Uh, so your act gets worse and the money gets bigger, but you're, you're famous. So you're riding waves and going to your hooks. But that, that was the best I ever was for, for my head space. Um, and if I do shoot another special, I would have to do it in a 50 seater, uh,

It's a tight space, but it's not popular to do that. Your theater, how big was that one? Fonda, it's probably 800, 900. So it felt very intimate. Oh, Fonda on Sunset. So David, that's my story. David, when were you crushing the hardest?

I feel like it's any time I'm doing standup where they're not filming it for Netflix. And then when they film a special, something happens where the crowd goes, I'm paying to see you. But this, I did just goes back to the joke of whenever most people film a special, it's not their best night.

on stage. This was my Netflix that just came out was the two worst shows of the whole tour. See, I'm telling you it's true. Dana agrees. It's something about it. I had the same thing. There was a technical issue on Friday night. So that got to throw that out. So you work on it for six months and then you got one shot and the audience sees the cameras and the lights. And so it's hard to, that's why Sandler's special.

Because he did it all over the place. You're watching a guy, you're watching his special, and the guy doesn't know he's doing his special. So Sandler didn't know if he was going to use all that. And so that was awesome because it was just not, he wasn't doing a special. But really that was your worst set because it felt bad.

I know it was still very good, but it was like, and then the thing happens where you're like, you're pissed and you can't be pissed. There's like a party that's like, oh, these motherfuckers.

You paid to see me. Yeah, that's funny. I'm having a tough set on my special night when they paid to see me. It's not like you popped in at the comedy store. Yeah. I want to introduce a psychological problem based on this and not being able to shoot it 20 times that.

And it's not a good place to be in. Like if you, you have the exact same set, cameras are gone. This is gone at Saturday night and it's a little tight, whatever. At least for me, I might step outside the lines, do a little crowd work, switch up my set, you know, try to work what's been given to me. But when you're out there and you're doing your set and it does, it's doesn't help me to be in this linear thing. I feel like it's homework. I,

I have to get to these bits as opposed to, I got a lot of bits in my quiver and I'm just out here tonight. So that's another thing to get quiver. Like, I like that. Whoops. There's more arrows. Here's some chopping broccoli. Oh, be careful. The church lady may make an appearance. But, um, that's why I want my, I want to be like that on, on a wasp. Hello. Um, but,

Me and Spade don't do crowd work. Were there any other suggestions? I don't really do it either. I don't really do it either, but in a small room, you can really have a conversation a little bit. If you're driving right now, take a look around. See all those cars? You can find them on AutoTrader because they have the largest selection of new cars, used cars, electric cars, even flying cars.

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Find it on auto trader. See it. Find it. Auto trader. Should we go understand? I'm still just curious how you're. No, yeah. Like, well, I can do an hour. I don't, I'll go. You guys want to just cut it down. I don't know. You know, because happiness is such an elusive word. I'm not. And you're just saying you're better. What? Yeah, I don't. I'm not. Yes. I'm not like, uh, like,

You know, I'm still like the joke engine or whatever, still the same, but it's, I, it's more pleasant for, to be me. I'm not, I'm not, I realized something on MDMA, which I was like very, I was like, felt very forgiving and very open. And I was like, why am I so open now? And I realized, cause most of the time my brain is just like cortisol and adrenaline and

And I'm like thriving in that. And I think that's my personality and that's my outlook. And then I was like, that's not even your outlook. That's just the chemicals you have. So therefore it makes you think you're, it makes you seem cynical and cutting and biting and abrasive. And it's like, that's just the chemicals you have. So I figured out a way to try to ignore those chemicals and bring in more of like the nice serotonin family chemicals.

It seems like a lot of things in life are a little bit like just working it, fake it till you make it, you know? Yeah, it's just literally, you know what I've been doing, which is the corniest thing in the world is like, I do a gratitude checklist. Oh, yeah.

Four times a day. Yeah. But like I do it four times a day because I. Four feels high. Four feels like a lot. But because I will forget. I will forget. Oh, yeah. I just won't forget. And then I start thinking negatively about my life or like I say it's like I write science fiction.

about my life, like they're out to get me and Spade hates you or whatever. And then you go, and then I just go, and then I write down like, no, you're a popular comedian. You have three Netflix specials. You co-created Dave Chappelle, like just things that are actually true. Like you write jokes, jokes just come to you. You're funny.

Whatever the attributes of the positive attributes. You're good at your job. You do well, you know, it's a hard field. And if you can make a living in the arts or something you love at and make a good living, that's a gratitude check off. Absolutely. I get paid to do this. I still go back to that.

Yes, it's very hard. I'm working right now. Yeah, it's hard. Well, this feels like work, but it's other stuff. It's hard to remember. It's just hard to remember the positive parts of your life because we're like kind of it's cooler to be negative and look look like this is hard. And I'm like, I'm a soldier. And I was like.

No, we're all incredibly lucky. And so was it your idea to write down the four times a day or is it a therapist? It was actually, no, I mean, like I was aware of it.

As like a, you know, like an Oprah thing. And then some and then I was talking about Islam. And I said, they pray five times a day, which is smart, because it's like, you got to remember. And then Rainn Wilson from the office was like, why don't you try doing gratitude four times a day? And I was like, all right. And I've been doing it like probably four months at this point.

It's pretty great. And what did ayahuasca give you? If that MDA gave you that sort of gratitude and ayahuasca gave me, it got me off antidepressants for good. Really? Pretty, pretty big. Yeah. And I was an atheist before and then doing ayahuasca made me believe in a central creation force thing.

And I, but it's not like religious or like, so therefore I, we can, I totally believe in that, you know? Yeah. You know? Yeah. I think people get hung up on like, well, what really, it's like, what, what franchise do you, you know, believe in? Right. And that's, uh, yeah, it gets to me. Um,

We're here. I always go back to that. Like, what are, why are we here? Are we really here? What are, is our purpose here? What are we doing here? So I, I just emotionally have to think there's some creative design. Some reason, some reason, some reason because it's,

It's also more comforting just to, you know, a lot of faith or just belief systems. If they, I mean, they asked Mel Gibson, who's a very devout Catholic and he didn't rather than go in defending the religion, he goes, he goes, what, what choice have I got? I did a little Australian accent. What choice have I got? So, you know, it's like, I'm going to be way more content and at peace with myself during this time, this journey, uh,

So it's sort of like I'm choosing to be open to the. Yeah. In a weird way, it is like a self-interested choice because it kind of feel it's easier if you're not, if you don't take everything so literally, like if it's like, this is, this is my only shot and I got to make the, I got to make the most money and I got to succeed. And I got to do it on this time, this 80 years or whatever on earth, I got to rise and grind. And you're like, or it's like, no, you're part of a bigger. That's what I say four times a day.

I would say this is my only shot. I need more money. No, I thought I believe. And I was in my late twenties. I realized there was a higher power than Lorne Michaels. No, I was at 30. And then I said, there's gotta be something about that. And now I'm in. We're talking of course about Bernie Bernstein. Those are two of my favorite references.

fantastic uh neil nobody knows nothing nobody knows anything in the business now give me 10 percent of your money i don't know anything but listen to me but we love we love bernie i love bernie when you did chapelle show was let's say 2003 does that sound right

Oh, yeah, that sounds right. It is right. 2002 to 2004 or 2002 to 2005. Okay, so SNL was going and you guys...

did you ever want to write for us now? Was that any, even in your possibilities or you get written? Yeah. Like kind of like why me and Chappelle were in half baked in 97 and then, and then I kind of got, you were doing, that's when I met you, you were doing, uh, eight heads in a duffel bag. Not at the top of the resume, but yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. In Toronto. Uh,

And then I was sort of... And then I met a guy named Mike Schur who wrote for SNL. And he and I wrote a little bit, a couple screenplays together. Okay. And then I was always sort of around. And then through Schur, I became friends with like Seth Meyers and Polar and then all those people. So I would go to the parties. That's got something. Yeah. So that's something. And then I actually, when Dave...

hosted in 2016, I wrote that week on the show. And it was... I mean, it was the week Trump won the election, so it was an insane week to be there. Oh, wow. And it was like... I remember being... I was friends with Joe, so I was in Joe's office and on a...

exit polling conference call at 6 p.m. on the election night. And the guy, Frank Lutz, was like, Hillary's up by six. Hillary's up by six points. So then... At 6 p.m., okay. Yeah, at 6 p.m., Eastern Time. And then so as the night went on, you just got to see...

Like what, like people transform and like me and Che, Michael Che wrote a sketch about, it was going to be Rick James doing an update. I like it already. It starts with Rick James. Right. Rick James doing a weekend update, uh, doing an update about how he realizes that he could have been president of the United States. Uh,

And, and like, but we did like three versions of it. Like there was like at nine o'clock, it's like Donald Trump failed at Rick James's dream. And then at 2 a.m. we rewrote it to be like another thing. And then at, and then 5 a.m. we rewrote it to like, I could have been president. And then me and Jost at like six or 7 a.m.

I pitched a sketch of like, why don't we just do a bunch of people watching the returns come in?

And it ended up being like the popular sketch that week. But we wrote it. I mean, again, I'm not telling it's all these, like, it's the same heroism stories. Every, all the SNL, like I'm a hero. And then like, I punched Downey and, uh, and then we got the scripted cards. Um, but, uh, ran the cards. Yeah. And then Wally was like, what is this? I can't even read this. Um, yeah.

So we wrote that sketch and it did like pretty good. It did like decent read through, but it had like some punch and then we rewrote it. But some of those are visual and then you, they come alive when you're doing. What was the through hook of that? Just, just the. It was literally like, it was like 7 a.m. Um,

I'm really like, everyone's excited. And then like, you know, a couple of lines about how shoes start dropping. Yeah. Nine 30. Yeah. Then like, uh, looks like Trump won air and like them going like what? And then Dave's watching it with them. And then Chappelle had a funny, like a funny direction, uh, for the rewrite. He goes, just make it blacker. So, so, so the, so then the direction became like,

White people overreacting to a bad outcome and Dave being black about it. Dave just being like, what the fuck did you like? What did you think? And then Rock came in like then Rock shows up at like 11, like with some food, like what's going on? And then him and Dave are just like.

play a play sniper to a bunch of upset white people. But it was a funny, it was funny, like be not real, not, I mean like knowing about the show secondhand through Seth and sure. And a few people, but so I, because I was like with writing with Dave, I got to go into the sketch pick thing. Oh yeah. Big place. The inner sanctum with Lauren club. Yeah.

Each sketch is a card and some cards make it onto the outline and some don't. It's a scary place. So you go in there. So I did it. It's like the sanctum of sanctums, right? Yeah. It's the center of the Death Star. So I did a thing that I didn't know you can't do is I went up to the board. No! Yeah.

Yes, I went up to the board, took a card, and said, I think you should move this here. What the fuck? Wow. And I don't think anyone had ever done it. No. No, I never saw anyone do it. No. I think I paralyzed the board. And a plus one. I think I...

Yes, exactly. And I paralyzed Lorne to the, because Lorne is, for the many things, he is fairly passive. If you confront him, I didn't, none of this was calculated.

So I basically hacked Lorne. Goddamn. Moved a sketch up. Hacked the system. Pushed him out of the way. Yeah, like, get out, punch him in the... Yeah, threw him through the window. And then after Dress...

Dress didn't go well. I never realized how shaggy dress. Yeah. Yeah. It can be really some loose ends and dress.

Yeah, like you don't know. It's like, oh, this shouldn't be a television show. This shouldn't be on its feet right now. This is rehearsal. It's not a joke, but there were a couple times my first season, I didn't know how it all worked either. It was so bad and so long and so discombobulated, I just thought the show is not going to go on tonight. They're going to have to show a movie or something. Right.

Yeah. They're going to show like the Godfather or something or like, or, or, or like the Lone Ranger. And it's so long. You're like, this is still going with the, we got to do the real one in a minute. It starts at seven 30. You're like, we're not going to be able to do the 1130 show. This is running so long. So, so after dress, I,

We're in the Lorne's office, which is like 75. It's a fire hazard. It's like 75 people. Yeah. In this. It is a fire hazard. 20 by 20. It's like. Yeah. Chappelle was actually talking about hacking the system. He was smoking during that meeting. It's a tiny room. And. And I. Lorne. I think I did the card thing again. Jesus. You took over.

And then this is how hard I hacked this guy during the show. You gave notes during the show. It's like, uh, you know, the show's going well, right? It's like, we, we figured it out, whatever cut the jokes that don't work. It was a miracle when you cut the shit that doesn't work. The whole thing is better. It starts to shine. But yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, uh, and,

And, you know, it's 12, 40, 45. There's one sketch left and there's a few on the board. And I go, what's next? And Lauren goes, you decide. Oh, wow. So I got to pick the sketch, which Seth was, Seth Meyers was like, I don't think anyone's, that's ever happened. Never.

And the way you do it is you have to rush the cockpit on Wednesday. You rush the cockpit. You get your rest control from them. And that's the only way.

And now, and then you're the captain. And then Lorne forgot your name because he's so many people. He's probably, could we have the pin pusher card guy come in from Wednesday? Pin pusher. No, you know what's funny? I did go, I did go back because I'd had a good experience. I went back another week when I think Aziz Ansari was hosting and me and Jost wrote a sketch.

And guess who wasn't in the sketch picking meeting? Yep. You know what? I know that since then, they have someone in there that pushes a beverage cart in front of the host and his friends in the room. So no one can get to the board. I just like the balls of him going, okay, now it's the air show. We're going to open with Dave's monologue. And you hear in the back, nope.

Not this week, old man. Sorry, that's at the end. Monroes? Yep. No, what do you think? Well, why? That's interesting. But it was, I've done it, I went back two more weeks, so a total of three weeks. And by the third week, I had like the classic experience. Which?

The sketch, you have to kind of get, they don't pick your sketch, and then you, like, just objected, and then some people didn't like it, and then we got it on, but it was, like, late, and then people objected, and then it got cut Friday night. Ooh, yeah.

Yeah, no, I know. It was like, oh, this is the, I was like, this is the experience I've heard about. Oh, wow. Yeah. Ugly. Ugly.

No, it was pretty ugly. We should take a pause. I mean, this is... And you go, I guess I don't get to pick the last sketch again? Maybe I'll pick that one. Maybe, Lorne, do I need to reintroduce myself? Maybe you forgot who runs the show. Lorne, you're spinning a

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So you Chappelle, like, I mean, just in broad strokes, just for our listeners, the difference between doing sketch in that environment and that whatever protocol you guys had, I didn't really know, but I assume it was pre-taped, not live. It was all pre-taped. Yeah. And it was, and the staff was me and him.

So it was like, it was, well, cause we had done half baked in 97 and it didn't go well. And then, uh, and then like, we just didn't get what it was. We worked with Bob Simons, who you guys have both worked with like on half baked and, uh, and, and, uh, we, it was, we just kind of got mauled by the process cause we were 23 and

So what, what is the, if you look back at, cause I've done a lot of bombs and stuff or I was in them, but what was the, what was the, was there a flaw in half baked or it was tiny? I mean, I will, I'll clean up our end of the street. We should have just rewritten it more.

Once we got greenlit, we were just like, fucking, we're 23. Let's get this per diem in our pockets and get to the brass rail, the strip club in Toronto. In Toronto. Yeah. What are you going to wear to the Oscars? Yeah. I mean, we were. Yeah. So like. Well, it's so exciting. You go, this is it. They bought the movie. Let's go shoot it. You don't think of let's keep polishing. I do think it had a great name.

Yeah. Half-baked. You always remember it. Yeah, that was Brewer's pitch. So we just should have kept rewriting it. And then there was just stuff, production stuff, that it was like, you know, by the time we saw drawings and renderings of the sets and stuff, it was all very bright and colorful. And we were just kind of like, is this what you thought it was going to be? Just like we didn't... I think Bob had like the...

the Billy Madison, Billy Madison lens on it. Yeah. Like the Billy Madison color palette. And I, Dana, I didn't see master disguise, but it looked like you had that. We had it. Adam had it less than happy Gilmore. Cause it was more exteriors, but he got sort of further away from the sort of collide the kindergarten color palette. Uh,

Cheerful, family-oriented film. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we were doing a weed movie, so it was kind of like not exactly right for that. So it's just stuff like that. So the authenticity quotient went down. Yes, yes. And we should have rewritten it more.

Neil, you can even get burned on posters because there's a whole art, like a blue background. And I think Tommy Boy has one. A lot of them, there's a system where there's certain colors that make it look like a fun, happy family movie. And there's some that look a little grainier, even on the poster. Yes, that's exactly right. But then also, were you in Airheads? Yes.

spade no no uh sorry to put that on here um fraser yes but like airheads was a little more indie looking half-baked had the bright blue background yeah brass dave and jim you know it's like you're absolutely right like there's just a bunch of stuff and i'm not saying like that it was wrong i'm not i'm i kind of feel like what wasn't quite right for us and by the time we were just we didn't have any

power to go like no i didn't know that you could walk up and take the index card yeah you should have

It's not actually all the time anyone's fault or a conspiracy. No, exactly. There's subjectivity to it, but I think if there's a through line, let's say you and Dave rewrote it and you had complete control over it, essentially, like the way Adam Sandler does, then all your standup would come into play. Like, well, what's working? What's working? But if it gets muted- That's exactly right. And also, I was 23, Dave was 23.

We didn't. So then once we got to Chappelle show, then it was every single decision comes through one of us. Yeah. And that, that's why, I mean, for better, for worse, at least you can take the credit or live or die with it. Yeah. And, uh, and so, so like that was, so it was me and him. We would write, we would people, a couple of people, a guy named Brian Tucker, who went on to be a great SNL writer would pitch, pitched us some sketches and,

But me and Dave would always write them ourselves. And so it was, you know, it was just a two-person sort of black hole operation of like... How many sketches did you need? Because they were half hours, right? Yeah, it was 22. It was commercials. Yeah, it was 22 minutes. One a week? No, it was 22 minutes. Plus we had musical guests, which would end up being about three minutes. So we ended up needing about...

four or five per episode. The hard... And that's very hard. That's a lot. Yeah, we had to do 12 episodes. But here's the crazy part. Without reruns. So we had to do...

12 weeks in a row of four or five schedules. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's where you, it just becomes like almost unbearable. Well, just you two? I mean, come on. Yeah. Just you two. Writer's room is too much. Yeah. Just us. So it was, and like you guys said, for better or worse, there's some of it's great. The second season is way better than the first one to me.

But, and to, I mean, just objectively, but, but yeah, it just became like very, so there was, so the hard part was the pressure of,

And not the... There was no backstabbing. There was no... There were no politics. Okay. All your energy goes to the show. Yes. But so it's like you guys got weeks off, but the whole week off, you're thinking about what an asshole so-and-so is. You know? So we didn't have...

We had less of that, but it is just like so, so hard to do it that many weeks in a row. And then we get three months off for between seasons. But yeah, but it's- Were you riding high? Yeah, when did you go, holy shit, we got a hit? Well, you know what's funny is I, where it pertains to SNL is, did you guys read that live from New York book, the Tom Shales book?

Flip through it. Yeah. So I'm familiar with it. Yeah. Yeah. You lived it. So you're less, you're, it's more like, oh yeah, is that what happened? But,

But, oh yeah, there's a lot of stuff you go, well, that didn't happen like that. Yeah, exactly. Everyone has it. But from an outsider, for an outsider, it was interesting to, I didn't know, I genuinely didn't, I had never, and I love, I wrote for a sketchbook called All That on Nickelodeon when I was like 20. Keenan. Before all that stuff. Yeah, with Keenan. Quiet on the set.

Quiet on the set. You may know Quiet on the set. Dude, that show is so popular. It's number one on HBO today. It's been out for like a month. Yeah, it's not that quiet. Yeah, it's not that... I had a good joke on that guy that I'll tell you guys off the air. It wasn't about molesting. It was a fat shaming joke. So that's pretty cool. But so I never... Until I read...

Live from New York, I never thought about character sketches or parodies or premise sketches. I never knew the... I never classified them. So I literally read it. I take it to Chevelle and go, read this. Before we do... We'd gotten picked up and then he was like... So then we started approaching it like, let's do a character sketch, let's do a premise sketch, let's do...

I mean, it was so disorganized. It was such a two-man operation that we ended up having two distinctions of sketches, which is longies and shorties. So it was a pretty high-level operation. High-level lingo. We used to call them, on the Dana Carvey show, presentational sketches.

So it's like there's a little song or a chyron that kind of gives a joke away, like Germans who say nice things. That I did with Steve Carell. It's his bit. It's just two guys facing. You know the premise right away. Yep. Two minutes of jokes. Yes. I'm glad you brought that up because I remember I went to SNL while we were doing Chappelle Show, and I looked at Seth, and I was like, oh, I...

Now I realize having Chappelle on stage setting the sketch up beforehand does so much heavy lifting. Yes. You don't need to spend 80 seconds going like, here we are at a restaurant.

I hope nothing crazy happens. Everyone's wondering where it's going. Like what's going on? So he could say like me and my wife argue about race and who does what. And then we can go like, so we got to have a racial draft and then toss to like everything's set up. Which again, I think there's like you guys, but then I forgot about how great the Dana Carvey show was until you mentioned it.

congratulations again that show was incredible it's nice to have a doc when you only get eight shows on the air and you get a nice documentary thank you josh yeah bomb you know that kind of goes uh yeah you know could be worse yeah could be totally forgotten well i was gonna ask you this question based on yeah you asking bringing that up because uh

Steve Carell and Stephen Colbert, they weren't who they are now. They're kind of insecure, but they were great immediately. And you've known Dave so long. And forget how funny he is. Just his stage presence has gone to this other level. I don't know how you've watched this evolution of somebody who's that comfortable.

on stage and confidence. Yeah, I don't, I don't think it's, uh, or has he always been that? It's almost, I mean, he's kind of always been that guy. He was good. I don't know when you guys first saw him, but I, I heard a story fairly recently where Martin Lawrence Dave's in high school.

On stage at Garvin's or somewhere in D.C. And Martin Lawrence has done like do the right thing. And he's come back to D.C. and he's doing good. And somebody's like, and Dave's on stage. Somebody says to Martin, what do you think of this kid? And Martin goes, I don't know, but I can't stop looking at him. Like he's in high school. Dave also had a joke that I like telling people. One of his high school jokes when the show Alf came out.

Dave had a joke. It's a good thing Alf didn't land... It's a good thing Alf landed in a white neighborhood and not a black neighborhood, because if Alf had landed in a black neighborhood, two weeks later, you would have seen brothers wearing Alfskin coats. Alfskin coats. Pretty good joke for a kid in high school. So, like, the thing of his... How natural he is, and, like, I don't even think...

I don't even compare it. It's like, well, I'm never going to be able to do that. So it's not even worth it.

emulating because it's like a lot of people could yeah yeah like do you guys know of anybody that's that like i've literally been having conversations with him like i don't even know when the show's starting he's smoking me like brennan you don't know but then now what's the cigarette doesn't even put the cigarette up just backs onto the stage while we're talking

And get to standing ovation. Yeah. Like just not, there's no separation between being a person and being the guy on stage. Yeah. Well, well, two things that are interesting is to that, that I guess for a period of time post that show and,

Everything that happened, you know, you'd start to show up in clubs and I would just hear, I would hear six hour sets or four hour sets. I don't, you know, and so that would get someone confident anyway. But this is what's interesting to me. Like Eddie Murphy is 19. He comes out on SNL. So he's, he's out of confidence. You know, he's just there. It's unbelievable. Right.

I'll take Louis C.K. just because it's such a brilliant stand-up. It's an amazing comedian, yeah. And he's going through the normal thing of finding his way. Then 20 years later, he's at this level that you can only equal it as a stand-up.

So it's interesting where people who get it so fast and so young. But we could get there, Neil. You could get there. I know. We start today. I have you booked at the West Side. You're going to do a seven hour set. Neil Brennan and friends. But no one else is coming. No, but that's what's funny is like you don't.

I don't, I, it's like how I would think of it. It's like, I don't have, I barely, I have the material I have. I have 43 minutes or whatever. Whereas I don't, I can't like channel or whatever. Like Spade, you seem like a very bit oriented person. Like you have the time you have. Yeah. Well, I, I also like to do longer stories now because I,

To eat time also and to be more personality driven bits, because some bits can be if you do it about a subject, it might have been trampled on already. But if you talk about your own life or your version of something that happens, that sort of identifies you and your persona. So those stories I like a lot because they can't be really duplicated. It has to be me telling them. So I like those in the act.

It doesn't do well for TikTok clips. How old are their stories? Are there stories that you're doing that you didn't... You were like, could I do that in my act? Are they new stories or is it like when I was a kid? Most of it's new, but I could go back and mine stuff and say this was funny and I could make it funnier because...

you learn how to tell stories better. But if it has like little tiny punchlines along the way and a little tent pole laughs, so it's not just a story. Like Norm used to tell a joke, Johnny went to school and then it's a 15 minutes and then he does the punchline. So it's kind of a funny walk there through the joke, but you also are like waiting for the actual story.

funny part. Yeah. But, but if you can keep a story going like that, uh, I do like that. I also have some one liners. It's really a mess to be honest, but it's whatever's funny. He's fine. I did kind of, but I don't like doing long sets. I'll say that. I don't like doing hour and a half. I don't think it's necessary. I don't need, I don't think people want like my Netflix is 53 minutes. Like I, I, it was an hour and five live, but like,

I'm like, I don't like with you. No, I think everyone's sharing shorts and stuff. I think it just needs a, um, a tell, I think was 35 minutes of standup, but he had people playing the recorder to extend it to 40. So if you go past, we were talking about this, that you can kind of,

ride a wave to maybe 40, but not anybody has to have that low. The audience gets tired if you're lucky, you know, from laughing and then you have the low and then you have to rebuild. But what I would say about you, which makes you unique, one is the three mics thing.

It's very original, incredibly fun for a comedian to watch. It's just like, oh, you know, all these styles. And then on this one, I haven't seen anyone do it, but you're just doing regular standup. You're killing. But then all of a sudden you're talking about atheism. You your face goes to a little corner in black and white, I think. And then this sort of commercial video comes on. I do. Basically, I do.

The premise is religions should make attack ads on each other like politicians. Yeah, that's great. And so then I do... I basically do the voiceover in the corner and...

Is there a screen in the theater? No, there was no screen there. So they're laughing because of you. You're laughing because of the voiceover. And then because this is a visual presentation for people at home, I'm like, why? It's the, you know what analogy I always use is the like television degrades makes, you can film an amazing thing and it's,

And in order for it to work through a television camera and go and work at home, it has to be so great that it can get through television, like knocks the quality down six, 40%. Right. Yeah. And the analogy I always use is SNL musical guests.

SNL musical guests live in that studio. I think we can all agree. Some of the best shows I've ever seen or heard too. It's like some of the best. Yes. Give you the chills. Literally someone you don't even like will give you the chills when you watch them at 8H. And then if you're at home, you're like fast forwarding.

And that's the difference between like television just makes stuff worse. Like in the room, you can feel the base in your chest. So it's like, so in terms of like standup, I tried to do more visual stuff on Netflix because they, people can watch anything. People can watch anything.

Batman Returns. They can watch any, they can watch Flip and Fall videos. They can watch the Zapruder film. They can watch, they can just watch, and they can watch The Godfather 2. They can watch like, you know. So that Zapruder, Zapruder's bad quality. No, it's not great quality, but you can see it. No, on TV it comes out very well. But it's pretty funny, and it is pretty funny. It's funny.

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What I was going to say was then you also did a visual effect where you're like on a big iPhone talking to us. Yes, I'm talking about social media. Spade, you would like my comedy. You should look at it. You would. And get influenced by it. Yeah. I do. I talk about girls on social media and guys on social media, the kind of hustlepreneur thing.

And Danny, you know what's funny is I'm kind of doing, I'm doing Hans Bruns. I'm doing the clap. I do the clap, basically. And it took me like a year before I'm like, I'm doing Hans Bruns. I just was doing it. And then I realized like, oh, I'm doing Hans Bruns without the accent. But I cut to when I'm doing the like, what's up, guys? You want to make money? I go to like a frame, you know, like the,

The 916 frame.

So just trying to help myself on television. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like it's less of a man's... It's less of a TED Talk. It's less of one man standing there, nothing happening. If you do think of that way, because on the last special, when I went into the Inner Sanctum, they said at max, people last 12, 15 minutes. And if you designed your stand-up...

Like the audience, the physical audience is going to start leaving. You would really front load it. And the way to win the game show is that you keep them longer than anyone else. But about your visual imagery, it's a little bit to me like when David and I talk on this other podcast we're doing where we're just sort of riffing and stuff. And I'm doing a couple of voices. And then we have a gentleman, young person, edit it together and then mix in visual effects to it.

And that's your YouTube short clip. Everyone does it. And it's just very potent. You know, potency is huge. It's just better. This idea that like,

You know, I'm like, I'm breaking the sanctity of standup. Like there's no, no, like I'm compete. I want people to look at it. I don't want to, I don't like, and all this thing about like, what about the history and your legacy? I love comedy. I haven't watched Richard Pryor in 25 years.

I'm not going back and looking in the, like, what about, it's like, we have my, the one crazy kid was on the Netflix charts for a week. I can't believe it was on there that long. I usually it's like, we get about, in terms of like,

Bring the Pain, Chris's special, came out in 96. And I feel like it lasted culturally for three years. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, because analog in the 90s. Yeah. Yeah. And even Mike Myers was saying, what this is is not the showbiz that we had all started, especially you guys who were popular. If you were in Wayne's world... Mm-hmm.

This is a little different. So, so even if they stark standup special, it's like at a certain point, it could be Ansel Adams. You know, you just don't want to go. It looks great, but you, you want to get with the times too. So we have little clips. You got to jazz them up or put words, anything, just not anything, anything, people are, it's Dana. That's a good way to think of it as like, how do I get people to,

Not walk away. Imagine them walking out of the... Bill Burr actually said he tries to make his setups sound insane so that people will be like, what?

where it's like, I'm sick of fat people crying. And then you go, wait, what? Right. Yeah. Every TikTok starts with, this is the craziest thing that ever happened to me. And then they go, let me back up. And you're like, yeah. Yeah. Have you guys, you guys know about toes? Well, I stub mine. Has that happened to you? It's incredible. Like that. Yep. Yeah. I got really rich with crypto. Should I hate myself? You know? Yeah. No, that's right. Yeah.

yeah approaching it from like not even sensational like or as sensationally as you can do it and not feel like a piece of garbage um so like that's the that's kind of even sailors a good example of like guitars and i'm gonna put it down and then i'm gonna go over here and it's like and he's got visuals yeah he's got visuals he's got the his closer now with the like the thank you comedy thing like

it's like and he said he's gonna he had a screen and stuff behind him so yeah yeah i totally agree do yeah do like i don't i i think it's silly to think that we should just do it the way it was done old fat yeah the pure a purist would be the yeah because if i'm never i'm sure you guys meet people all the time who are like have no idea who you are

And then you go, I remember there was a girl. I know. Let me slow down. No, there was a girl. There was a girl who wrote on The Daily Show who was a black girl who didn't know that Chris Rock had a show on HBO. There you go. Easily. Easily, yeah. And then you go, well, how would she know? She was eight when it was on. Right. Someone said, I know all your shit all the way back to grownups. I'm like, grownups? That was...

10 years ago. I thought I was done by the time grownups came out. Yeah, I got new juicy life on TBS. My fans have jumped the shark on that. They're like in their late 60s and they're like, you know, my kids sure are fans of yours. They are. Yeah. They were born when Wayne's World was made. How is that possible? Dana, what are the bits that people bring up from Wayne's World now?

Like the most common bits. Obviously like Schwing and all that stuff when it's out, but what is the, what lasted? - Yeah, little ones, if you're gonna spew, spew into this. For me, little Garth things. I'd say for me it'd be the dream girl and being knocked over and the Foxy Lady dance because of the Hendrix song is very potent. I don't know if you've seen the movie, but Garth, the shyest guy in town does this dance.

stuff like that. To get a hit like that is so rare. Talk about gratitude. I'm going to write that down. Way's world. Way's world. And Mike Myers and I and Lorne Michaels share net profit on the film. And so every year we get checks from that film. Net profit? Yeah. There were no gross players. People don't know that. You don't really make money for movies because

If there's someone in there who gets 20% of the gross, they'll never turn a profit. We made it for 12 and it did 200 million and then it did a bunch on video. So that was kind of cool. I didn't want to say, but I took ayahuasca right before we got on this show.

This is, we're timing this really well. I'll tell you what I learned from today's podcast. Sum it up, man. Before we let Neil go, I'll say. I'm trying to think of anything else we should talk about. If there's anything I forgot. I was going to say I did like that you wrote for Singled Out because I used to watch that show and Jenny McCarthy blew up. That was a cool, fun show, but was there any crazy thing you need to say? That was my first job in show business.

That was my first writing job. And I remember. It's a big show. It was. Yeah. It was like, yeah, she was on the cover of Rolling Stone. I remember like, yeah. And, and the Rolling Stone was a magazine. Yes. And people looked at her and then it was like, there were a few cultural hubs and they, yeah, no, I remember saying during the pilot, this is, this show is very stupid and it's going to be very popular.

Like I could just sort of tell like, oh, this is going to be, yeah. I'm so old. Neil, how old are you? I was, I'm so old. I was in Las Vegas the night Tupac was murdered. And I ended up sitting at a blackjack table with Jenny McCarthy all night.

playing blackjack. That's how old I am. I was meeting Chappelle there and he missed his flight. Is that how you mourned? Wow. Wouldn't be the first time. I wouldn't be the last time you'd miss a flight to meet me. And, uh, and yeah, so I'm quite aged. Yeah. You're old. And, um, I think your next special should be called cortisol and adrenaline.

Not bad. Is that what you said? Cortisol? Yeah, cortisol and adrenaline. Negative brain chemicals. It should be called Be Grateful That You're About to Watch Neil Brennan's Comedy Show. With a lot of extra pictures and words. Oh.

If I do one, now I've been thinking this way anyway. It's just going to be just blasting video and parodies. It should be. What's the downside? Yeah, who cares? Nobody gets one person complained. Like, not even complained. They were just like, it kind of took me out of it. Everybody else knows, like, this is where we are. You got to do it. Jerry Seinfeld didn't mention the video. You know what I mean? Like, didn't say, like, I didn't like that. Like, it was everything.

Everyone's on board. Like we, we have to help ourselves guys. I think mine might be called wait for it because that's what every stupid tick talks. Wait, watch till the end. No, I watched till the end. And then you go, by the way, I like when they say wait for it. And it's a six second video. I'm like,

I'm here. Yeah. I mean, how bad are people's attention span? Wait for six seconds. Yeah. And then it's very anticlimactic. I just want to quickly do a quick test to see if we can bring crazy good back into the top 10.

This is a great special. It's revolutionary. It has video effects. You don't believe it. He talks about anti-vax people, talks about Joe Rogan. I see sex couples, psychopaths invented the world basically and drug addicts. They're very, very important. And of course,

We talk about on this, of course. And, and Ellen DeGeneres. I have a, I have a joke about Ellen DeGeneres that I think you will like, and I'm sure. Can you say it right now? Yeah, I'll say it right now. I say, uh, I,

I basically, you know, people, but like comedians are expected to be leaders now and like moral, morally righteous. And people go, is Ellen nice? I was like, is Ellen nice? How many nice lesbians have you ever met in your entire life? Um,

Jim Jefferies. Yeah, I go after Jim Jefferies. Everybody gets a little something. I'm not even, I don't go after anybody. Everybody was like, everyone has approved and thanked me for them. So like, it's all, it's all, it's all in good fun. Yeah. And Jim Jefferies, I don't think him because with his Australian accent, when he first came out on this scene, he had like a 10 minute bit. And I remember saying, oh, I don't like glass beans. Yeah.

You can be having the best day of your life. A lesbian shows up, you're fucked. You know, something like that. But anyway. Yeah. Great comment. Yes. Yes. Incredible comment. Thank you, Neil. And he's on the spectrum. All right. Great. I'm very happy to be here and thank you for having me. You were an incredible easy guest. People who do podcasts are really good guests, I've noticed.

Yeah, I would like you both on my podcast. It's called Blocks. Spade, I don't think you're going to do it. It's a little too emotional for me.

Dana, on the other hand, I think is a prime candidate. And I'm going to send some emails about it. Yeah. I have a story. I have a story. Great. Yeah. Great. David has stories too. I don't know. That's a whole other podcast of whether comedians also have some struggle. We're all nuts. I mean, obviously, a lot of people do. But comedians I meet...

seem to have stories, a lot of them. - Seinfeld did it yesterday. So I feel like Letterman's done it. Letterman's done it. And now I've got Letterman and Seinfeld. I feel like anyone who passes, I'm kind of like, okay, so you're better. - Okay. - Okay. - Okay, buddy. - Yeah, very good. All right, boys, good to see you. - Thanks, Neil. Miss you, see you soon on the street. - Miss you, bye. - Bye.

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