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A band. Sometimes we have music on. Sometimes we have hosts. Sometimes we have writers. This is Kings of Leon, who are a huge band. Three appearances. We had... SNL. Yeah. We had Caleb. We had Jared and the two representing the four. Brothers. The Follow Will brothers and their cousin. And that is Kings of Leon. And they've done...
many albums and they're incredible they're really sort of i love their sound they were you'll find you'll find them so personable and so humble about how big they are you know uh they're huge in the uk we find out all about their asymmetrical childhood um father was a preacher and they're traveling around and they couldn't watch television and so forth and so on but they're very very very interesting and we we talk about their new album
Which just dropped and they're going to play the forum in LA. Maybe we'll be there. Yeah. And they knew everything about us and SNL. They knew all comedies. Their dad would only let them watch comedy.
Jared was quoting Red Redneckie, the redneck comedian. So they knew also about this podcast. They know how Spade Oil goes. Let's go to the tape. Let's look at a clip. Oh, yeah. They knew everything. So that was very surprising and flattering. We've never had that. So really, really enjoyed hanging out with them on this show. All right. Here they are. Kings of Leon. Oh, dude, I'm three days away from doing Cameo.
I love it. John loves starting to do cameo. And then he said, yeah, well, I do get a piece of yours if I get you in. You know, it's like one of those schemes. Anyway, how are you guys today? I know you've been doing a lot of press and you're about to go out.
So we want to make this one your most fun one and relaxed one and whatever. That's my dream. This is our most anticipated that we've ever done. Like, we're very excited to be doing this. Oh, yeah. So nervous. Huge, huge. You tell your voice. Anyway, well, you don't have a beard? You don't have...
Did something change? Yeah, she's at home. That was a good one. That was a good one. By the way, Dana, I have to get this out of the way. I was a little flummoxed because last time I played the Ryman, a couple of these goofballs were maybe going to come down and then they ran to a different show. Is that possible?
Yeah, that was a, well, I was kind of pressured by Nick Swartzen to come. Oh, that's what it was, that fucking idiot. Nick Swartzen put so much pressure on him. He knew that I was coming to yours and he gets very jealous.
So he's like, Oh, here you go. I was like, all right. Oh my God. He just texted me and I'm like, does he know we're doing this? Cause I didn't tell him. And I'm like, I don't want him to go. Those guys are my boys. Ask him this stupid shit. I'm like, I'm not doing anything. You text me ever. Yeah. Don't tell him. He'll get, uh, no, but he's fine. He's like my child that has like,
learning disabilities yeah he's a sweet sweet sweet he's about as sweet a human being as they come they there's equal but no more than nick he is a nice guy but i was um i was so annoyed that night i go oh my god he must have thrown a temper tantrum i go nick nick's show was like at six he does like a um a twilight show or something i'm like what are you doing i like that
I like, yeah, I do. Oh, do you? Yeah. Believe me. I did, uh, the, I used to the Mirage with, with, uh, and Dana's done it and it was a late show. It starts at 10. We hate it because love the crowd. Don't get me wrong. We're all fucking spoiled, obviously all four of us. But when you get those late shows and, you know, I'm trying to, I swear, I always think music can get away with a little more because if you guys have trouble, you can kind of grind it out.
And if we don't do well, it's, you know, at every 10 seconds when we don't get a laugh, it just keeps reinforcing. We're not doing well. Yeah, that's rough. We, uh, you notice for sure. I mean, if the crowd's bad, it's, it's brutal up there. Um, but yeah, you're right. We get to kind of just keep chugging along, but we'll, we'll turn down. We just turned down a show in Mexico because.
It doesn't matter if I say it, but like they had us going on stage at 11 PM and I looked it up. There's a time change. No, thanks. We're like two hours behind going on stage at 1 AM. I would be dead. Well, it is tough to do a show. It's horrible that the show you actually at the stage.
at that hotel at like 1040. Everyone's by the pool. It was 117 that week. So the point is you come out in the audience, there's nothing there. They're either past their drinking peak and asleep more. They're just burnt. And for a comedian, it's really hard. You're just a tractor pole. You guys just crank it up. I'll be driving past like a pub when we're about to play some big place in London and
Like 5 p.m. and I'll look at like a plumber and I'll be like, ah, if I could trade places, just just just just today, we'll go right back to being rich today. That's what that's what I call the beauty of regular people doing regular things. And believe me, we were barely middle class.
five kids and you guys have kids now, but regular people doing regular things. I have siblings to do it and I, they're really rooted in it. And when you're in show business, isn't there always this kind of little edge to life? It's sort of this,
thing or what do you call it? How do you guys deal with being who you are? We grew up dirt, dirt poor, like the real life red, redneck Joe, Joe dirt. Yeah, you got both of them in there. Red, redneck. Yeah, I'm red, redneck. The redneck comedian. You ever fart so loud dog to stay away and go, what dad? Yeah.
You forgot to say come and get some. Come and get some. Oh, I forgot my catchphrase. Goddamn. Yeah, ever. Crap so big you don't know gonna get down there. Turn it. Come and get some. You don't even have to make that. You gotta got so big. It doesn't even matter. I met my sister only because mama took me down. Come and get some.
That's it. I'm done. It's a trifecta. Go ahead. I could just sit here and listen to you guys the whole time. We're the least famous people to ever be on this podcast. I've listened to every single one of them. Oh, you have? I love it. Huge fan. And so just being on here, we don't even have to talk. We can just listen to you guys do.
Your thing. No. Yeah, give me some credit, Dan. These guys. That is so cool. Three times on SNL. A lot of our comedians we have on, our friends, we're not on SNL, but we like the comedy so much we wanted them on. Like, you guys have...
knocked out three you had three good hosts i think you had emma stone one time and you had uh james franco what a blast though to get it's gotta it's gotta tell you you're doing well if you keep get invited back because it's hard to even get on that show once for a band or a
or a host i think yeah absolutely uh we also had john goodman was our third oh yeah that's right your last one yeah he's talented yeah can i can i just say so about you guys you actually said this podcast you guys i don't know i want you to talk about this because they they list you as alternative indie um you clearly are gigantic and then you come out with this album now and it's even bigger but you don't you guys aren't celebrities i don't know you're you're
You're not doing it to be cool. I think it's just who you are. That gives you such a cool factor. Like you guys, this album is so fucking great. I mean, I listened to it all weekend. I'm not just saying that if I, if I was just trying to be nice, I'd go some really good stuff on there, you know, but, uh,
So anyway, I think that you guys are humble about it. But the music's there, man. I mean, I played it for my wife and she wasn't familiar and she was just, you know, knocked out. So anyway, that's all I got. See you later. Thank you so much. Keep going. Okay. Ballerina radio. Okay. You know, the creativity to keep that in there.
Some of the phrasing, kind of Peter Gabriel-y. We're stealing that from you, right? What, the do-do-do? Yeah, wasn't that Opportunity Knox? Is that what you're doing? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't say that. Oh, no. Oh, wait a minute. Oh, there's a little earthquake coming.
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was a preacher. We couldn't watch movies or television or anything like that, but he was obsessed with Saturday Night Live. So every once in a while. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, that's weird. He would be. So we get to watch that stuff. And I remember being a kid and watching, you know, Chopping Broccoli and all that stuff and all your movies. The only thing he would sneak in were comedies. So we did see, you know, that and
Trapped in Paradise and obviously Trapped in Paradise. Oh, yeah. And obviously we'll get to you later. You guys are ridiculous. You guys are blowing, blowing my mind. No one has mentioned Trapped in Paradise. It's amazing. Wow. Trapped in Paradise. That's every year. Christmas. That's like one of the Christmas movies. It's in there as a
punishment story about it but you know i was doing my manager at the time and mickey rourke that was who alvin was oh the combo yeah that's right yeah thank you for my bestest sweater yeah this sweater you guys you guys pay attention it's like yeah because you always also as a band and all the stuff you're doing i mean you you love specifics when people say i love this part or or this lyric
I wrote down one that I really like. This is from Actual Daydreaming, your new album. Sounds like I could use a beating. I'm warming to the feeling. Yeah, there you go. That's just such a great line. Yeah, actually, it's...
I kind of wrote that, those lyrics to my wife had left town. She was going to fashion week. Oh. Like everyone's wife. She's a waitress. It's a big season up there. Bottle service. Trying to make her jealous of life at home. And so I kind of like started talking about like, uh,
home it's nice and warm relationships are forming things we get fit i start saying all this stuff to kind of make her jealous but in the in the course i kind of wrap it up by saying i could use a beating because it's all it's all bullshit but well the whole is great into some of the parts with lyrics like you know there's there's maybe your meaning there's how people are affected by them in the moment and then there's just sort of a feeling the power of words
is what people were asking me about. And I said, I just, when I went to the Lincoln Memorial and I saw the Gettysburg Address and it was a hundred feet high and it brought me to tears. So I think the written word is so timeless really. And great lyrics just stick with people. You don't know how they're, how they're digesting your songs at any given moment, you know? Yeah. That's awesome. For me, a lot of times the meaning of the song is,
I don't necessarily want to tell you because people take it and make it something so much greater. And I'm like, this is all me going to Jack in the box. Well, like chopping broccoli. She's a lady. I know.
If I didn't know her, she'd be the lady I didn't know. And my lady went downtown. And she bought some broccoli and she brought it home. And she's chopping broccoli. I can't explain what I was thinking. No, there's a lot going on. In the 50s, that would have been a huge hit. Very simple. Yeah. I have a cat at home. His name's Coco.
And like, I give him all these nicknames and mocha chocolate, all this stuff. Well, anyways, he's gotten down to where I just call him Mocha Lee for some reason. Perfect. I walk in, I sing Chopping Mocha Lee. Ah, I have a quick question. I drifted off when you said you wrote the Gettysburg Address, but when that was, that was, that was A.B. Lincoln or. Oh, OK. Yeah. But I want you to walk me through a little bit of
You guys have obviously done well. The question is something about how long does it take to get ahead because you've been very successful? But if you're a regular band, and I always hear about these record contracts, is it true that we don't have to say specific companies, but is it a general...
A rule that they have sort of, they give you money, but you sort of give it back and it's very hard to get ahead money wise, even if you do pretty well. Yes. Yeah. I think it's probably similar in the comedy world that you make all of your money from playing shows basically, but yeah, they give you money up front.
And then you just have to recoup that on sales. And so if you don't recoup it, I don't know. We really don't even ask questions. That's why we're all broke. Does it roll to the next one? I heard I have a whole chart behind. So, I mean, but that's what I heard. And you, if you lose it, then you owe a little more the next time. Yeah. Well, we, before, before the band, before we got a record deal, we got a lawyer. So we kind of, we were ahead of that.
Um, but we also signed our record deal right before the new record deal policies came in. Nowadays, you don't get anything. They come take your merch. They take touring your children. They take everything.
with us. Like, but they do, they do say like, Hey, here's a million dollar record deal. It's like, all right, that's what sounds good. Here's a million dollars to go make your first record. Yeah. You go, where's all the money? It's like, Oh, you're paying back those $2 million that they gave you. It's like, they didn't give us anything. Yeah. It just basically just kind of kicked the can down the road a little bit. But yeah, I feel bad for young bands these days. I don't, I don't recommend it. Um,
being in a band. Unless you just want to have fun, you know, or how to make money. Yeah. Is it possible in today's world to, or is it more probable to go to Tik TOK or go to somewhere else and just try to do it on your own and just hope something happens? Yeah. I mean, record labels are trying to do that. Nobody knows what they're doing anymore. They're trying to get,
TikTok clips, a 15 second song that you can slow down and reverb and it takes off on TikToks and gets like a million views. Before this album, we signed with a new record label and like one of their things at the beginning was like, we think you guys should be on TikTok.
We're like, isn't it a little late? Like TikTok. We started at TikTok, started, get a little thing going. And then like right before the music came out, they're like, oh yeah, that you can't put your music on it.
We're like, what do you mean? Oh no. Oh yeah. They're cutting down. So like no universal. We're like, so you just want us to like show us cooking at the house and shit. Like no music. That's kind of our thing. We can use other music who are not signed universal. So we got a lot of other bands, pretty famous. Oh my God. You can lay in other stuff. You know, that happened because I'm on Tik TOK sadly. And, uh,
I was putting a song underneath and they took it out later. Right, Heather? They took some song out and I saw an older one of mine and they took, it was some Joe dirt thing. And they took the song out from under it. And I was like, so it was just dead silent. I go, what happened here? But that must've been what happened is they go through and say no more, even though I would think it would help. I was at the God dang, uh, Venetia this weekend in Vegas and the sphere had grateful dead and the best advertising for them was,
is tiktok clips of people showing the concert and it's like an ad and people go oh shit i even saw john mayer had one i go oh that looks cool as shit i wouldn't have been aware of it i would have just skimmed over it but that helps i think you too said no filming inside
And I thought, God, you should do it because people get curious and they want to go see it. That's kind of a different subject. Everybody's breaking that rule. A million videos from inside the sphere for YouTube. And maybe those are people in the box. Nobody's filming the band. Right.
They're like, look at the fish above us. Oh yeah, that's right. Believe me. I said it was a great show. And if you're super bored, worst case scenario, watch the band. I mean, that's the truth is there's, there's almost too much going on because it's so big above your head. And then you look down and there's four microscopic people. And I'm like, is that them? But you're used to just seeing that.
How many are in your band? I'm pretty sure there's nine. No, there's 15. We cut down to 12. No, there's four actual, that sounds bad, actual, but like four members. Four well-paid. Four that fit on the album cover that have the last name. Yes, exactly. And then two guys who are on stage with us.
Did you ever think of calling it Follow Will? Yes. Yeah, it was called, trust me, when we first got the record deal, it was a lot of Follow Will Brothers, Follow Will, just our names. It was Follow Will for a second. When we said Kings of Leon, they were like, no, that's not going to work.
It sounds good in hindsight, though. It's cooler. Follow Will might be a good... The way you guys look, maybe a jug band. Yeah, the reason why I think we didn't go with that. There's another band from Oklahoma, Brothers, who went with their last name of Hanson. So it's kind of like... Bacon Brothers. Yeah.
That's the only one I'm aware of right now. Hanson's still hitting it, aren't they? Yeah, I think so. They're still mbopping across the USA. They better open with mbop and close with it and do it a couple times in the middle. Go ahead. Mbop.
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Only angrily. We've had fistfights after shows before. Because I had a fistfight on camera. I had my last fistfight with my brother Scott, probably at 22. Full-blown fistfight. Wow. We laid our arms down after that. But that's the thing I'm curious about. Your cousin and the brothers out there together. I don't know. It's a lot of together.
You guys must have a lot of simpatico personality traits. We don't fight at all anymore, but we did for a while. There were a few really big, fun ones. Yeah, we gave it up about six months back. Yeah, it's not all the Partridge family, I'm sure. I mean, you're on a bus, you're stuffed together, you're in backstage, and I've done it with friends, and you're just together all the time, of course, and your family. So...
uh i'm sure it can lead to and also you pepper in fame money feeling important i'm not saying that's just you guys that's me that's anybody that goes through any sort of stuff like that you you definitely get a little different if you don't check yourself and it's just hard to keep everything cool because you know the greater good is to keep the band together and keep everyone happy and just we're lucky here let's just keep it going yeah and you're you're also kind of sharing
a high that no one understands so even like after the tour when you get back home obviously i don't want to compare it to like what happens with military you know but like when you come home it's kind of like you look at your family and you're like you don't get it like it takes like a minute to go like oh yeah i take out the trash uh i'm the one that you know i don't
to like put yourself back into reality. Well, I'm sure your family and your wives know about it, but the illusion of show business, your job is when you guys come out there, you're having a blast, you're fluffed and folded, you're in tune and you're kicking ass. And
And there's so much that goes into it that, you know, people would think I was on vacation. I'd say, well, I'm playing Chicago. Did you see the city? Did you go everywhere? No, I was in my hotel room, resting, prepping, going over my act. So it's fine. It's not a complaint, but it is a show. And you want people to think,
You just showed up and just kicked ass, you know? Yeah. Yeah. You get people who also think that you're on vacation too. And so like, come like, Hey man, you're playing Cincinnati. I'm going to come to that show. Like you can definitely come, but I promise you I'm going to be asleep by 10.
You got to save yourself for the next night or next 50 nights. Yeah, totally. Especially with the amount of vodka we're drinking. Yeah. The people get mad if you're not ready. Cause I, anywhere I go and they're like, they're like, okay, first of all, I know a great restaurant. I'm like,
I'm going to eat early and get to the show. I can't like, and I can't get all wasted and I can't do this. They're like, what a fucking drag, dude. I'm going to do a little show and tell with my buddies. They're not really friends. I played Anaheim. We're going to hit Disneyland at 10 a.m. Yeah, exactly. Matterhorn around nine. When do you go on, man? You go to
run right it's about two hours out of town but you definitely have to check out this barbecue spot dude splash mountain man we're gonna hit it 10 times once you might go to this show soaking wet it's worth it you gotta do it
Now, what about you guys doing a Kings of Leon tequila? Because, you know, the celebs are all doing that. We did a killer bourbon. You did? It's rye. Well, we did a bourbon and a rye. We did like a
18 year bourbon, five and nine year rye. They were real, like small amount of them. You didn't hear about it because it was super, super small and they sold out really quick. Yeah. Unlike other people, we did it for no money. We did. I'm just, good job. I'm just joking. We got good job. Yeah.
Church Lady Chardonnay may be coming down the pike. Come on. God, I would drink that. That's my kind of communion right there. How did your dad take to that character? Because my people, religious people I know, and I have a very, very Irish Catholic mother-in-law and Baptist, they all loved it. I was kind of surprised, but you know. It was a hit. Well, see, we didn't have television. So that's,
The best thing that we watched was like go to the video store and come back with the best of Dana. Oh, okay. The best of that. Yeah. But we would go on like a full Dana Carvey stretch and we would, you know, have all the things. And then you go to the next one and have all the things. So it was a church lady was definitely a big part of that. And, you know, I don't think there was any like sacrilegious.
It wasn't what it was about. I mean, it really was about me noticing as a kid that the women behind the punch bowl are sort of the backbone of the church. It happened to be a Lutheran church, but, and our parents were not super devout. So sometimes we'd missed a couple Sundays and then we go, you know, on our church pants and go. And then you felt a little bit of a judgment.
Well, well, well, here we are again. We're Johnny come Sundays. We, we, oddly enough, we went to my, our grandmother's funeral and it was like a lot of people that we kind of grew up with in the church.
Preacher definitely, he took his liberties when he had the microphone. It was like, can you believe there are people out there that think they can go and sing rock and roll music and make money? And he just like ripped us and we're all crying at our grandmother's funeral. It's like, oh, it's us now. I took my 50 out of the collection plate. Yeah. Give me that cracker. Yeah, we feel that judgment. So.
Did you ever have to sing? Was there a choir? Yeah. That's where we learned everything that we do. Started with drums. Nathan was the drummer in church until he'd get tired and then I was the backup. Then little singing opportunities would pop up, like our mom and dad would just be like, "Why don't you sing one?"
And it was pretty obvious early on that, you know, we were going to little tiny churches throughout America and we were fairly talented. So when we sang, it was kind of like a, I don't want to say show stopping moment, but it definitely, uh, it was like one of those where everyone would be like, okay, this is, these guys are pretty good. There were tears.
Yeah, we would cry every time we had to sing. It's really amazing. This is in the 80s and you're in a car driving around. You're kind of mostly homeschooled and your dad's a preacher and you go come in town, you leave town. I mean, it's really an interesting, I don't think I've ever...
Heard of a gigantic rock band with that history. How does that inform you guys? We're weirdos, man. It's just the only thing I know. I grew up doing that. But also, I guess it makes us more capable of traveling a lot and doing what we do now and just living out of a suitcase. We also saw our dad work a room.
A different room, different room, different setting. I mean, we're from Memphis, Tennessee. So a lot of the times the churches that we would be preaching that we'd be the only white family in the church, like he would be working that room.
And then the next week we'd be in Oklahoma with like all these straight laced, you know, and he'd be working that room. And so like, you'd see kind of like, sometimes you got to bring a little different juice to this thing and to that thing. So now I feel like that's the one thing that I still kind of take from it and go like, okay, this is tonight. We got to lean into this. We're playing sex on fire tonight.
At least one time, you know, the crowd's not here for the, for the B sides. Yeah. Yeah. And I do think that, Oh, sorry. Just the influence of that, like Sam Kenison famously kind of,
fashioned himself his stand-up style after preachers and the thing i you know going over a lot of your music this weekend it's very it's a lot of it's just really emotional um not even sure why it's not it's not always a blues song but all of it has an emotional tilt to it and i don't know if that's just your talent or what it's affecting you know the chord changes the minor changes the breaking it down the the vocal uh rhythm i don't know it's just emotional
Yeah. Musically, um, you know, obviously you're always evolving and you're always trying to learn something new and then show it off. And sometimes you're not, your skill level isn't good enough to where you should be trying to show it off just yet. You know, you just got to work on it a little bit, but as far as like the emotional undertone of everything, I do think that also comes from us traveling our whole lives and, um,
From a very early age, we realized that if we made a friend, we were going to have to say goodbye and probably never see them again because we were always on the move. So you kind of start to have this like hardened thing, which also made us, our relationship, our bond so strong because it was like, we're the only people that we're going to know forever. You know, like we're not going to have those high school friends that we can call up and be like, Hey, let's go get a beer. Let's go.
So I think there's always that, you know, thing in the song that's, you're not asking for love, but you're just kind of like,
trying to be like, "Hey, I'm over here." That kind of thing. I think the minimalism, the bass lines and sometimes the guitar solo refrains the main melody. I just always love that sound when the band's really playing just together. Obviously, nobody's going off on a flight of fancy. It's one, a collective sound and it's very affecting.
Thank you. Yeah, we all learned to play together, really. I mean, I had never played bass before the band and had a month to learn before we did the first EP.
Matt was decent, you know, Nathan played drums in church, but wasn't necessarily a real drummer. Uh, Caleb could always sing well. Um, I bought my guitar the same day he bought his base and we had like, we had gone to New York and met with the record label that we ended up signing with. And they gave us a Led Zeppelin box set.
And full disclosure, we hated it. No, I'm kidding. We didn't even know that Zeppelin at the time. And this is not that, that long ago, but it was like, all right, well, let's try to play like these guys. We didn't realize they were so amazing, but like me and Jared, I had my guitar, he had his bass and we're listening to Led Zeppelin. And that's how we're kind of coming up with stuff. And, you know, obviously our skill level was not there, but,
But we just kind of along the way, it's like whatever we learned, it's like, all right, well, let's make a song about this. And then the next thing is like, well, let's make one about this. Mm hmm.
That's hysterical learnings to Led Zeppelin. Not knowing you weren't as good as Jimmy Page or John Bonham. It took us a few months to get there. Well, to pass, to pass them up. Who musically, when you're little kids, it must, it must add AM radio driving around. We did in the sixties in my case, uh,
Uh, who floated your boat? I mean, who did you kind of go? I like that. Or, you know, must've been some exposure. It would have to be like tame music. So a lot of fifties and yeah, I grew up on that kind of stuff. My, my, uh, uncle was, uh, he was the teacher at the school that we went to for one year.
And he would drive me to and from school. And it was always the oldie station. And we'd be little games like, I bet you a dollar. They play the Rolling Stones before they play Tom Petty.
And so like these little games before, you know, you're building up like, you know, these influences. I remember it was Tommy James and the Sean Dales. First time I had crimson and clover that I was like, Hey, I'll, I was like, I want to play music. See that that's making me nervous right now, because when I was in junior high, that song would come on for the dance in the gym. And I was a wallflower extraordinaire.
girl i liked and thinking will i try to slow dance with her yeah yeah and then he told me what the song was about and i was like whoa so you what is it about yeah what's it about um apparently taking a girl's virginity in the grass excuse me allegedly that's what i heard don't talk to tommy i didn't write it but i heard it from a pervert over here
Yeah, I'm going to jump off. It did make me think like, hey, you can write songs about your own thing and not let people know what it's about. And it was inspiring to me. Right. It took me this long to figure that one out. I thought, I didn't know what Day Tripper meant by the Beatles, that it was really, it was a rich woman saying to the guy, you can be my driver.
It was her voice. It wasn't one of the Beatles getting rich and going, hey, drive my car. It wasn't drive my car. It was Daytripper. Drive my car. Yeah, drive my car is secretly that. But anyway, there's so much you could do and rock and lyrics and stuff. Do you guys want to talk about some of your songs on your album or Kid Harpoon?
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Were you 2008? Maybe it says. So were there people there that you knew or you weren't as familiar with? You kind of just get thrown into SNL when you're the music. And do you get to have any fun? Nerve city. At that point in our career, it didn't matter what we were doing. We were going to have fun with it and probably be a little bit irresponsible. But SNL, like I say, it meant so much to us.
When I was a kid,
All I wanted was to be on SNL. Now I'd never be playing music, but like, it was like SNL. That was the thing. Yeah. The first time we got the call, it's like, Hey, they want you on Saturday night live. Oh my God. And we were just like, no, what was the song that they, you led with? Was that you somebody or was it, um, well, I think we did sex on fire and use somebody. And, oh, you didn't both. Holy shit. Oh, I think sex on fire.
I think it was that one. I messed up so bad in dress that we almost had to stop playing. But they just kept going. I just remember going backstage and I was like, I swear to God that won't happen. That's not going to happen. Was it nerves? Oh, yeah. And I took a shot of tequila and Caleb looked at me. He's like, hey, don't get too cocky. It's like, I swear to God it won't happen. And then we played and it went over decently. And then we were at the after party, baby.
Does it show a bump when you do those? Back then, yeah. 2008, I'm sure.
The bump, is that like the lead, like the picture of it? Is that like the more CDs bump in your sales? Oh, I'm sure we don't. They don't tell us that stuff. I mean, did you do a bump? Is that what you're saying? That's what got me through. We first of all, we, you know, we had had four albums, three albums out that had all done decent, you know, big in the UK and Europe. And then we'd come home and it wasn't like
kind of doing the same thing here you're like hey we're back anything but snl that's we had had sex on fire used somebody so things were cooking with gas you know at that point we didn't realize if it was like a big thing or we assumed every song was going to be that big after that and then nope when we got invited back to snl the next two times um
I feel like we were like, oh yeah, this is fine. But then we realized like, oh, that was kind of special. That first one. Yeah. It could have been the last one. Have we met Lauren before the first time? Yeah. I think that's probably how we got on. Cause we had always wanted to be on there. And then we played a private party in St. Bart.
And before, Oh, funny. Yeah. Before the show, we were on a big boat and it was a party, a big art dealer or something like that. And celebrities galore. All we wanted to talk to was Lauren. We're like, Oh my, of course you're like, then we all found ourselves on a rocket ship. And,
And it was a pretty major party. So you'll come on the show. Oh, and whenever you want. There'll be a rehearsal on Thursday. Let's see if it's us and him and Penny Marshall. She was on there. Oh, yeah. Sounds about right. I just remember, Lorne, like we were talking about, I think we brought up
Three Amigos or something. We were telling him that whole spiel about how like he was probably asked us about our childhood because he had heard about it. We were like, we couldn't watch stuff, but our dad would sneak in videos every once in a while. Yeah.
He pointed to like a little cluster of lights on a rock somewhere and he was like, yes, me and Steve, we wrote Three Amigos right there. I love that. We wrote My Little Buttercup in like 30 minutes or something. We were like, what? We didn't even know he wrote it. We were just talking about like movies that he was involved with, had no idea he wrote it. And then the best Lorne ever, he said, yeah, Steve is one of the funniest humans on the planet.
When Steve drinks vodka, I think he is the funniest human on the planet.
Right. That's a great one. He did break it down. Steve has, if he goes to the third drink, then, then this, this person comes out. It's like, like just really funny. He moves to number one out of 900. Yes. Oh, the 900, you know, all of our stuff. Good Lord. I'm running out of stick. We're out of tricks. We talk about it. Did you,
Well, let me ask if they saw the Beatles. Is that intriguing to watch the Beatles put together those albums on Apple TV? Did you see that? Let it be the documentary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is so embarrassing, but I never I didn't see it.
I mean, I think you guys would love it. I know I would. I've seen clips of it and it's mind blowing the, the access that they have. I think, uh, I mean, as far as I know, yeah, it's just wall to wall and it's just sitting around this footage and you go to see them come up with a song and not get it the way you hear it. And they're like, it's faster, it's slower. They can't get a line. And you're going, Oh my God, it's, I could tell you, this is how you do it.
This is the best way. But then you see how it could be so many different ways and you see,
how any band is sitting there and one person in the band could say, I think this should be slower. Remember when Revolution came out slower? You're gonna have a... And you go, that could have been the single? Totally. And someone won that battle and said, no, the faster... That must happen all the time. Any interpretation of those songs probably would have been amazing. They did a faster, slower, different keys. And whenever you start writing something together,
It's always like the, you know, the one little thing that someone does and you're like, I don't know, man, I have my heart set on this. And you kind of go like, all right, let's compromise and we do that. And then that ends up being the greatest compromise or you end up going like, see, told you.
Oh, it's so tough. It doesn't work. That's the thing. I mean, with comedians, normally we're sitting around writing with your peers, basically, or David or whoever. And then there's usually an agreement when the idea comes up. Oh, okay. That's what we're doing. And I just wonder when you guys finish, let's just take Sex on Fire because it's this, you know, this thing. It's its own ecosystem. Such a brilliant piece of music. And you kind of get the rough draft or 99% finish. You go back in the control booth.
you're all in there, right? And you hear it for the first time, or there's a sense, did you get chills? Did you just go, okay, this is, was everyone going, this is a great song or do you have disagreements? No, no, no. I didn't even want it to go on the album. I thought I love it. I take back everything I just said. He voted for a B side on that one. Yeah. But it was kind of, it was doing its thing. You know, the song was kind of the, I had written some lyrics and,
Uh, I said the sex on fire thing. And a lot of times it's kind of just like a little throwaway. Um, and you don't know what's going to stick. Um, but then we had gotten it to a point where it's like, all right, people were kind of enjoying it. And then Jared and Matt, they found like a little drum loop thing. Mm hmm.
that when we put it with the song, it was like, okay, now it makes sense. It lays at the bottom of the, it's like kind of under the whole track and you can't really hear it, but it just adds a, a dancey thing to it. And it's got this kind of droney dancey thing that, I mean, people don't even really probably know that it's on the song, but. So it's this, this wash underneath gives it this urgency and also sort of this. Well, it goes like a little dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
Yeah. Adds beat to it. Before that, it was kind of a little confused punk rock song about sex that was kind of like, yeah. But then when you put the dance to it, it's like, oh, it's about sex. Then it made. Right. And you can't really, I don't know. I mean, I think KS, you know,
Gene Simmons, so you got to get an anthem. This is the early days. Get an anthem. And they did party all day or rock and roll all night, whatever it was. Party every day, yeah. This sex is on fire just for whatever reason. You couldn't predict it, but it became sort of anthemy, you know? Yeah, you can't predict that stuff. I mean, we could...
we can go anywhere in the world, I don't care which corner of the world it is, you start just that little guitar part. Everyone's like, "Oh yeah, I know this." I actually made it on a list of best guitar parts and I'm by far the worst guitar player in the band.
And Matthew's like skilled. And it's me going. And I made the list like right under Jimmy Page and Matt. Jesus. He's like, what the hell? Like I told you. You're not even anything. It was on my mom's list of favorite guitar parts. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, rudimentary stuff. You can't. What can you say? Sometimes it just works so well. Sorry, David. Go ahead. I was just saying sometimes the same thing happens in movies where you, like if they said to you guys, write on this album in order the biggest hit on down, you'd probably get it wrong every time because you just don't know. And that's sort of the fun of it. Movies, we have scenes, even that you mentioned Tommy Boy, the scene where the deer comes out was...
the top rated scene, Joe dirt, where I got chili dogs thrown at us was the biggest laugh. And then when the movie's out for 10 years, you go, those aren't the ones you hear about every time it's throwaway jokes or something else or quirky. You really can't figure it out. Yeah. It's very hard to figure music, any of that stuff out. Totally. And the worst thing you can ever do is think that you figured it out. Yeah. That's what I do to write the next one. That's I mean, I feel like there was about a,
at least five years, maybe 10, where even though we didn't know that we were doing it, we did in the back of our mind have a little bit of a formula that we knew worked. But when you try to recreate it, it's missing something from the formula. And so it just sounds like a little half-assed. That's what I was going to ask you about. It says, can we please have fun? No question mark or anything. And is that to this idea of like, you have all this success and how do you not
get trapped up in trying to recreate it or be this or that. It seemed like, to me, this album is really kind of new, but it's still, you know, you guys. But you want to get away from that idea, right? And I guess the producer helped you. The pressure of trying to repeat yourself and make a hit, or you don't ever...
Or you got away from it or you had fun. Without dragging this to like a dark place. No, I like that. We, I felt like we had gotten to a place where we were just,
we were doing our thing, but nothing was feeling that exciting amongst us. We were just kind of like repeating ourselves. It's a job. Yeah. I feel like, Oh, I can't wait to get home. Like I'm normal, normal for a band long time. Then, uh,
a lot of real shit happened. You know, we lost our mom. I had like a couple of like, just a lot of like friendships that were kind of, you know, people were passing away. It was like a lot of just like heavy stuff. And I ended up going on a little bit of a personal journey. Um, and in the process, I, when I started to write again, I was like, oh man, this feels different. You know, it feels like I had kind of like,
Got into the next chapter and I was a kid again and like I was writing whack. It sounds like I could use it feels like I could use a beating whatever I was writing these lyrics that I was just like it'd be so much easier to say something that's more palatable and people would be like oh yeah it's. Yeah.
But it's like, I want to say something every now and then it makes you go like, wait, what? You know, it's kind of your own viewpoint. And through the process, I fell in love with writing songs again. And it, you know, I feel like all of us just dove in and it felt different because it felt like something that we hadn't done in a long time.
And I think that, you know, surprising yourself also surprises the listener. And when things are a little like it's an on-set quarter, it doesn't quite fit. This is on stop the bleeding. Lightning strikes a pose and you're unfazed. It's never going to take your place.
You know what I mean? It doesn't exactly rhyme. There's something just cool that final sentence. It's just perfectly off. Yeah. When we're writing songs, I just hope that everyone can see how perfectly off we are. That's the name of your next album, Perfectly Off, Kings of Leon. Do you guys get mistaken for any other bands?
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Okay, real quickly, because I have a question. Oh, first one of the questions. Are the MTV Awards, do you still, I don't know this, do you still do a video for every song anymore, or is that way gone? You kind of do. Now, the record labels will have you do things called visualizers, which is just like a really cheap music video. So you don't have to, like, there's definitely no, like, huge budget, million-dollar videos. They just want something to pass around. There's something for...
visual to get out i like those on youtube where you see bubbles and you see the lyrics yeah yeah i just enjoy that well we actually because we were so proud of the album that we made um and so unsure of how it's going to get out there these days with everything kind of being a mess
We took it upon ourselves to make music videos for all the songs. So we kind of did them all like here in Nashville in the studio and they're visualizers, but there's more to them. So we'll slowly start putting them out. But I think, I think we have some like really great stuff that's going to add for the music, but also kind of make people like us a
He's using all your things. What did he just say? Sorry. I said, let's go to a clip. The, the, the, for you guys, since this album was out last week. And then, by the way, for people who are not familiar, you guys always been huge in the UK and your album is already number one in the UK.
Number one, number two, who's counting? So when you go out to Hyde Park, there's going to be some time for the album to matriculate out. And then you're going to do split screen or something. And the crowd's going to go crazy. I assume for comedians, when something new lands and works, that's a really big high. And that's going to happen to you guys because that's how good these songs are. Thanks. That's something that we haven't anticipated in a while.
Just like you can feel it. Like we can feel how, how this album being received. And I can tell the guys, I'm like, dude, this is going to be a sing along tour. I can feel it. I love it. We're going to start a song and I'm not going to have to finish it, you know? And if you can ever get that going for you, that's it. But it is save your voice. It's different though. Cause you guys get to, it's fresh. You know, when you tell a joke,
the people in the room haven't heard it. And so that eruption is just like, gotta be the best feeling because this they've heard it and they've kind of, like you said, they've digested it and they know what's coming. That's what they get excited when you start it. That's gotta be a fun feeling when you start one, they like, and they all go, ah, well, when I like a song, I fall in love with the song or something. I want to hear it a lot, you know? And then in that environment with all the other fans, it's so communal because the songs are emotional and,
And so you guys are going to kick in and then they're going to see these other people love this song. You know, these strangers around them. We're not going to argue about who has the better job. No, you... Concerts are still fun though for you guys. But you know, when we do jokes at work and it's new, like you said, new song, it's really nothing more fun than still being able to crack a code to get something that works because there's a million songs out there. There's a million...
and jokes. So if you can think of a new way to basically do the same thing and it works, it's, it's, it's a blast. Yeah. I've got a lot of new, new things that it depends on the room. They, you know, you hatch them in a small room. Like,
I'm talking like 80 seats, and they're like little weird sketches. And then you go out to 2,000 seats, and it's different. But there is no greater feeling. And I have the good fortune to have some things they want to hear. I mean, they're going to want to hear Church Lady. They're going to want to hear Chopped Broccoli. They're going to want to hear from Garth.
a Hansen front. So it's a good problem to have, but then it's really, they're going to hear it. They want to hear from us. What does Garth have to catch up? I feel funny. Like when I used to climb the rope and gym class, I put my lighter on my balls. The first time I ever, the first time I ever fell down from laughing was Wayne's world to laundromat.
First of all, you got me. You had me on the ropes with the I like them teeny and toasty. But then the uppercut.
of the tiny, tiny whiteys. I put them back in my chair, fell onto my back. I don't think I've ever laughed that hard. I knew when I got the prop, you know, I was a grown man and these little tiny underwear had shrunk in the dryer, Dave, I don't know if you saw the movie. So, yeah. You guys are making my day. This is my favorite podcast ever. I want to go back before we, sorry, before we get off this, we're talking about
new songs and stuff like that. When something that David, that you do with your standup and I see other comedians kind of be able to pull it off. It seems like you're telling the joke for the first time because you're kind of like half of it you're telling, but then you're kind of under your voice. Like kind of, it's just a, yeah, this is a thought. Yeah.
And it's like the, how you are able to do that multiple times and still be believable. It's like, Oh, he's just, I'm his buddy. He's telling me a funny anecdote, you know? Right. Finally, a good question. Um, well, the thing about me, that's great. Danny, you might want to tune in. I could talk about David's brilliance all day long, but you do it first.
No, I just, I do like, I appreciate that you like that sort of style. I think it's just kind of the way it's always been. But if someone doesn't know me and they get dragged along, someone wrote me on Instagram. They're like, it looked like you're not even trying. Like, why do I have to look like I'm trying if it's supposed to be funny? Like, how hard do I have to sweat? It's hard to do it this way also.
It's just supposed to look a different way. You know what I mean? It's hard to throw away jokes like you're not thinking of them, but you actually are thinking of them. I think about if we did that as a band. If we went out and we just kind of act like that.
we're jamming yeah well listen bill murray was the combo he was funny and then he's like do the lounge singers star wars nothing but star wars and he's like anyway i love you guys and everyone's like you're not even you're half singing he's half talking he doesn't give a shit that was one of my big influences on it guys so i appreciate it bob dylan is pretty lo-fi up there these days
Yeah. Back to you. He's no-fi. We went on tour with Bob Dylan. Oh, shit. He's good. He's a fan of ours. He opened up for us for a few months. Yeah. That's nice. He was closing the shows out for you? But Dylan, this was 10 years ago. At least. Yeah, it was a while. But he's got his Bob Dylan thing now where it's like you have to hear the line of the song to know which one it is.
Yeah. Where are we? He's like, he didn't go to the blue. And it's like, Oh, it's tangled up blue. Oh yeah. We love this one. Yeah. Yeah. They should have the words on the screen. I love his stuff since time, time over mine, whatever his recent stuff. It's soon after midnight. And I have a date with the fairy queen. I,
And he could still write lyrics. And his band would come to us and they'd be like, which hotel are you guys staying in? We'd be like, you know, the Hyatt, whatever. And they'd be like, ah, we're so jealous. Bob only stays at holiday inns on the ground level so he can open his window and smoke cigarettes. Wow. So like every, the whole. Oh, really? They would be staying on the outskirts of town at a holiday inn. We would be like.
King of the castle. Like the president. Think about how many people saw him and they're like, man, that guy looked just like Bob Dylan, but there's no way. Yeah. Staying here. That's a great David. And I did, I did Dylan once with David on update on SNL. He did Tom Petty. But I had a big top pet on it. Then we kind of try to make them different. It is a different sound, but it was a,
Goofy update bit, of course. Dana, before I let these guys go, it says there is a typo here. It says Jared was a straight A student. We'll fix that. And it's actually true. Who is who is the smartest? He's probably there. We're all smart in our own ways. But no, Nate. Yeah. Yeah.
And who's the latest? It was me for a long time. I'm better at that now. I found out it's very annoying. And now I'm very punctual and I get livid when people are very late. See? Now the pupil has become the teacher. Yeah, I'll text them a photo of the menu and I'm like, I'm ordering for you. 603. 603. Hey, being on time is an hour and a half late. Oh, yeah.
Okay, that's my two heavy questions, Dan. Anything to wrap it up? AI, gonna write your next album? They already did. Whoops. Whoops. No, I hope not, man. You hope they don't get good enough to where we're obsolete. I doubt it. No, I think you will always have...
You'll be able to have that little bit of a distance between reality and you'll go like, oh, it's missing that little thing. You know, hopefully. If robots are less of nerds than we are, then we should quit anyway. Yeah, I know. I wonder if robots might be too nerdy. Yeah. I saw Joe Rogan clip this morning and it was AI and it wasn't him talking, but it was with his voice. It didn't say it.
And I'm like, we got about four months left before the whole thing collapses. I mean, was it kind of weird? Was it like selling deer? It was more statement-y, but it was believable. Was it a digital copy visually as well or just as well? Yeah, it was him at the podcast talking about the Jake Paul Tyson fight. Oh. And I'm like, this sounds weird.
And it wasn't off his, you know, his Instagram. So I'm like, hmm. Your story about the teacher that on one of y'all's shows that someone like, Oh yeah. His voice to say that he said some bad stuff. Like I got the super in trouble. Oh, that's another scary thing. Yeah. They took his voice, put an AI and said he said something racial and got fired. But what if like something resurfaces and you actually said it and maybe we can.
blame it on now people can get out of it and say yeah that's definitely i mean honestly almost not things believable both ways yeah it could help because you might say that yeah
Unless they say Bob Dylan was at a holiday inn. They go, no, that one's real. He stayed on the first floor. Hey, would you like a Chesterfield? My problem is everyone believes it's me because I look exactly the same. Look at this idiot. He's at our hotel. You look exactly like Bob Dylan. I do. I look like Tom Petty. Look.
rude Paul McCartney called me before the Zoom and asked for a backstage pass at Hyde Park and I didn't know what to say to him no problem he's got it they're called the kings they're the kings of Leon they're quite large in the UK people like them very much and if I could get a backstage pass it'd be super duper but what if you run into Rango give us Rango
Love. They were like, me brothers, me brothers. Peace and love. Peace and love. They love me brothers. How about you, George? Well, I was always...
John and Paul were the primary songwriters. Sorry, I missed that. What's Joe Biden doing there? Come on. Why is he here? Come on. It's the Kings of Leon. This is the song of sex and fire. Come on. You can't believe it's not butter. What? Sex on butter. The tremendous, the tremendous, the kings of their own right. Sorry, I missed that.
Donald Trump is a huge fan. I talked to him too. I'm just trying to make these guys laugh because they, what if Paul McCartney, they give them tickets and they show up and it's sports and going, dude, dude, I have a show at four 30. No cruise by Fox Bay. We're playing the forum in three months so we can kick sports and off the, Oh, you're out here. You guys on the list. And,
and Tom Swartzen. We'll come to that and then on the encore we'll do Chopped Broccoli. You guys have a keyboard there? Yeah, we got keyboards. I've already got myself on stage. Amazing. We can cover the theme song too. Yeah, you guys play backups to Chopped Broccoli. So, alright, get on to your... You're going on another Zoom next? Or are you off? I don't know. They're not on some press junket. They're just
Doing some fun. Well, I like this whole thing. You guys look very comfortable. Yeah, they look cool. Yeah. So anyway. All right. This is the corny part. Pleasure to meet you. You guys are fantastic and have a great tour.
And this is the awkward part where I press the red button says leave. And it always feels weird. No, I guess I'm going to press it. It's just certain sadness. Thank you guys. We'll talk to you. We'll see you at the forum. This has been a presentation of Odyssey. Please follow, subscribe, leave a like, a review, all this stuff, smash that button, whatever it is, wherever you get your podcasts.
Fly on the Wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss-Berman of Odyssey, Charlie Finan of Brillstein Entertainment, and Heather Santoro. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman.
