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Yes, I have actually stayed at Airbnbs from time to time. And truth be told, I do really like them. I'm being totally honest right now that I've had great experiences with them. Yeah. I mean, you can have your look at you go get your own place, get your own pool, your own living room. You're not going to walk in an elevator. You're not going to see people when you're walking around in your undergarments. Yeah.

Yes. And if you don't understand what we're talking about, you should go online. What we're saying is you have a house with a kitchen and a bathroom and it's just for you, tailored for you. You liked your Airbnb over a hotel. Yes. And I do think I've had relatives stay nearby and sometimes it's very nice for them to do an Airbnb and have a little house and they're not underfoot. The last thing you want is your house guest to say, excuse me, um,

Where would I find a towel? That's a toughie when it's... Because they're naked? Well, it's like the 1800th time you say, on the towel rack. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, I was going to look there. People don't even think hotels sometimes just go, hey, I'll go there, I'll get an Airbnb. So you won't regret it? So I was selling my house, Dana, and we had an offer and the guy goes, we'll give you half cash and half...

Oh, interesting. Yeah. Oh, my sons would say take it. I know, but I got scared. I would have taken a little bit in Bitcoins, but I don't know because then it got into like, we can get you a condo in the metaverse, a really good one that's just being built. I'm like, really?

- Right. - I know, the metaverse. - On the good street in the metaverse. - Are we behind or what? - I know. - We gotta get in the metaverse. - I feel stupid I live in the regular verse. - I know, this physical world is kind of a drag. I just wanna put the goggles on, sit back, light up something, have a little liquid encouragement and just live my life in that world. - Yeah, I'm getting stressed every day. - But I do like seeing you in the Wall Street Journal. I read a lot of newspapers online and I see your face.

David Spade sells and then it's just this gigantic number. And I'm like... It's a new world when everyone knows the square footage of your house and they walk through it and they go, oh, so that's where you sleep. That's where you eat your carrots.

It's just definitely weird. And then everyone goes, how's the house going? All the strangers in the street. Hey, did a visual tour of your house. I go, oh, gross. Hey, you know, the premise of people in show business is that all of us have the exact same goal to be as famous as possible. Sick. Like that is our goal. I haven't seen you around much lately.

you know my son i still get this i've been in the business 40 years my kids love you they're like they're like age 13 really what about you yeah my kids love you i don't know can i get a picture because my kids say you're something you know you're on daryl hammond daryl hammond one of the best impressionists ever yeah long tenure at snl he had a great um

His Clinton, after the great late Phil Hartman did him, and it was Clinton's second term, and Daryl's take on it was very, it kind of owned it. He did the lascivious thing, but it wasn't grotesque. It was just very subtle. I do like mamas, you know. He's so fun to talk to because he loves to talk process. You guys are going to talk about the process of, you know, how do you come up with impressions of,

How do you do it? Do you copy other people? Do you take tricks? Do you make it your own? It's so, it was so interesting because I don't do many and I was, I want to hear the whole situation. Anyway, yeah, it's interesting part of comedy anyway. When you see someone do something, like I don't even like to really watch comedians because they may be doing something that I've thought of and now I think I'm copying them. So with an impression, it's kind of the same thing when someone gets it out there first.

and does all the hooks, you know? Yeah, they find a hook that you don't find. You're like, oh, now it'll look like I took that. So I have to copy those hooks. That's why I jumped quick with Biden, just to get that turf. And I don't see anybody trying to do Biden. Yeah, you get the blueprint of the hooks. I have new hooks, too. But talking with Daryl was really fun. I've noticed with people we interview,

There's a humility and kind of a self-deprecating aspect. And I kind of think that driven people, the reason they're so successful is, hey, you did this, this, this, this. Like, yeah, we had the best Clinton. Then your Dick Cheney was amazing. All right. You know what I mean? It's really interesting. I guess it's part of drive is you never go.

I arrived. You know, people in our career have gotten that attitude and they were gone in like a weekend. Yeah. I think you're ground. You have so many failures when you're doing this job that you just it's so hard to get cocky because you just know there's another one around the corner. I remember our former manager goes, some guys do this for money. That's OK. This is Brad Gray. But you seem to do it because you want to do the funniest thing.

That is the truth. Well, yeah, we want this podcast to be good rather than, you know, it's a victory lap. It's called resting on your laurels. You don't have to do anything new. I don't know. I mean, I like our friends Steve Martin and our friend Martin Short. Yeah. Doing an incredible half hour comedy on Hulu.

Cadence 13 produces this show. Oh, yeah, Cadence 13. Cadence 13, Cadence 13. Which I thought was... Sounds like a space station. Yeah. Cadence 13, come in. I thought it was a Korean boy band. Korean boy band. Oh, yeah, you saw their hits, Hey Girl and Whatcha Thinking Girl. Hey Podcast Girl. Daryl Hammond, he has an emotional story. He had a very interesting childhood, like a lot of us. And so we do kind of unpack that story.

And we go into the process pretty deeply and we admire some of our other impressionists where their impressions are so good, we don't even want to try. All right, here's Daryl Hammond.

We're never going to use this one anyway, Dana. Never. There's not a chance. Oh, hey, Daryl. That's our number one request is Daryl Hammond. That's it. Get the guy who said live from New York more times than Dana Garno. Because Carvey's so cocky about that live from New York stuff. Hey, by the way, Daryl, we're going to let you talk at the very end. But me and Dana talked the whole time. But do you know...

I didn't even know I was angry with you until just now because I never got to say live from New York. You didn't? Oh. Isn't that horrible? Daryl, how many times did you say it? Do you know? I heard it was in the 80s. I just heard you broke my record. I had people like, broke your record, man. I go, I didn't even know I had a record.

I never even got close. Never got close to doing it. Well, it's because you had, now, mostly when you're the president, you get to do it a lot. So you did it a lot as Clinton. And then what were you doing it from 2000 to 2009 after Clinton got out? Let's see. Well, Clinton did twice and then Bush came in. So then I was playing Cheney. So I did it a lot as Cheney. And Al Gore.

And then there was about a year there where I was doing it a lot as Trump.

So I think that's... Was Dana... Did Dana... Did you ever go, live from Gaga, it's by Gaga? I just eventually... They didn't even know. I mean, the cue cards just were in Greek. Just said words like... Just like... All my comedy is just things that make no sense. Gaga, Gaga, Gaga.

But one of the best rhythms that I heard as a guy doing a politician was Daryl doing lockbox. I mean, the way you said it as Al Gore, it was so... You do it. Oh, yeah, I did it a bunch as Gore. Lockbox. Oh, shit, I can't remember. Let me see. How did that go? I'm going to put it in a lock... It was just this guy, you know.

Yeah, what did you call Gore? Like a gay Forrest Gump? I know, I can't do that anymore. But I do think now, I think of a Tennessee gentleman from like some kind of

1930s movie. And it has nothing to do with effeminate or not. It's just a Tennessee... I do take umbrage, madam, with your nature, but it does come off like just a Tennessee gentleman. Yeah, that's good, yeah. But it was very funny the way you would say, I put it in a lockbox. Those are the kind of things that make me happy. I mean, you know, I had been doing gore in the village. I kept going up...

comedy seller trying to figure out what's the angle on this fuck this guy and i couldn't find anything nobody and we even did an update and no one even know who gore was yeah i know until the 2000s and then of course as we're coming up to game time on saturday around four or five o'clock in the afternoon game time downy comes in with about a 70 page script

You know, like a really long. It's usually Franken. Yeah, because that cold open was long. It was like a 10 minute cold open. Yeah. What was it about? It was that it was the first debate of the 2000 debates. Oh, it was just a long debate. OK, OK. Bush, that's where was that the one where Will said strategery or something? Yeah. So Downey comes in like about five o'clock with the script.

And he does what he starts reading the thing to me. OK, now I had I could not figure out Gore and what the hell to do with that guy because he had so many coaches and he was one day is like this and that's some sort of a list. But another day he was something else. You know, he was like, you know, let me tell you about a friend of mine. Her name's Adam Munson.

season 94 right but i always i always made sure i clenched and put just sort of a sort of a i didn't i didn't mess with texas you know yeah you change your jaw to get the sound because when he got really excited he had like a slight lisp you know and so

Downey had that in all the notes. The thing is, when Downey did the line reading, I understood what I'd been trying to come up with, which was a comic version of this guy. And Downey came in with this sort of overbearing school teacher who meant well, but just tried too hard.

And it played, you know, but that's really. So he was sort of doing it a rough version just to read the lines and you sort of picked up on that and you were like, ooh, that's actually, you stumbled into something there. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Because I'm not doing them in the village and nobody's laughing and nobody cares. Good sign. Seriously. And Downey comes in and he starts like, well, Jim, my plan is very different. And I was like, that's it.

That's the fucking, that's the funny right there. That's on Saturday afternoon. You've cracked the code. And that's just funny what you say. And also just that voice is funny. And I think that Downey's good at picking out. He's really great at it, you know, and he was great like with Dan rather and everything. And, and like, we're going out to the floor.

Downey's behind me with the papers in his hand and he's going over again. Let me tell you about that syrupy, overbearing school teacher. And he kept I was like hammered into me, Jim. Just keep fucking going. Let me hear it.

Because you've got it. And then you just walk out and do it. He's like loading you. And he's like standing a few feet off camera and I'm looking at him and I'm like. Yeah, I know. You don't want to lose it. So you just want to mumble it and keep saying it. And of course, it was a great juxtaposition with the caricature of W as the frat boy loose from the hip guy and then painting Gore as the school marm.

was a comedic energy it was funny i mean but yeah i don't know how these politicians feel about it because they do they do get put in a box pretty quickly they do when we satirize we do it yeah real fast and that's how people think they talk now and um it's like when you were doing uh bush senior i mean what the hell was that and it was just like

All of a sudden people were like, that's how George Sr. talks. Not really. It wasn't really that. Yeah, it has to be slightly exaggerated somewhere to get a hook. That's right. And that's what I learned from Dana was caricature because I studied you and then we did that Carson Donahue thing. I love that. Your Donahue was supernatural. Yeah.

You are, you are, must be some kind of, I mean, it was just such a funny rhythm. And then Carson against that was just, you know. Is that when you hosted Dana or were you on the show? One of the times I hosted, we got to do that. It was like, it wasn't like a debate. We were in like a sketch, like hanging out in a kitchen or something. So it was different, but. Yeah, like we were getting ready to go out for dinner. Yeah, it was such an odd juxtaposition, but I love the Donahue thing.

Just the character of Donahue, he goes right into it, the head's bobbing. You took one thing that he does and you just made it into this beautiful, beautiful caricature of, you know, right? That sincerity thing. You're a blue-collar guy. It's so funny. And he goes, it's great. Blue-collar guy.

Married 20 years to the same gal. I mean, come on. He did you. I mean, he actually came up to me when I was kind of at the peak of my time on SNL at some kind of lunchroom. And he just did what you did. He just you got to be feeling great about this thing. And he did the exact same thing. So that was such a fun, fun sketch. I met him one night and he was like, you got to feel like God is in his head.

you know the stars are back where they belong you're like what what now now the clinton tell us about your clint because you owned clinton after phil you did clinton and you extenuated it or made it your own and uh just what was your hook with him kind of because i kind of do a modern clinton which i'll do in a minute which i i found in the last five years i want to hear that

Well, let's let's go over your how you found that for. I didn't really find it until I got a chance to meet him and be up close to him and feel him and see him do that thing. Yeah. Where he takes the room and gets inside your personal space. And, you know, he's like a foot taller than me.

you know, he's got a tux on and shit. And it's the president of the United States. And he's always seducing, right? Oh, he's to do. Oh yeah. He's seducing everybody. It's his charm. Charm. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was sort of like, uh, like I, I said to him, um,

OK, I'm just not going to try to act like I don't look stupid. He said something to me like like this, a paraphrase, but not by much of something like, but I mean, Darryl and he's looking so close to me. He's in my personal space and he sounds like I mean, I'm I'm so sincerely I make the headlines. You you turn them into gold.

- Oh wow. - You know, I'm like, I'm just like, do I, should I fuck, are we gonna fuck? Like, I will so fuck you right now and I'm not gay and I don't care. - I don't care. - I don't think I have to be gay to enjoy this. - You know, I went to a buddy's party at his house and it was probably like,

10 people and we go in the kitchen. He goes, there's food in the kitchen. And we go in there and I was with a date and Aqualera was there. It was probably like 10 people, a couple of celeb types. Christina Aqualera. And then here's Clinton's in there. And I heard he was there, but I was like, he's not always here. And he's in there with a Secret Service guy and they're eating pizza and everyone just starts eating around the big island in the kitchen. And then

He goofs around and then he goes, well, now you're the funny guy. Why don't you tell us some stuff to me? And I was, you know, of course I was stumbling and fumbling, but the point was I see the allure and I see how interesting he is and how riveting and you can't believe you're in this small space with him. And then obviously the girls were all like freaking out. And afterwards she's like, can I just push you in this wood chipper on the way out and run back in?

because she was not even faking it. She's like, I can't even deal with this. I'm so into him. You know, when I had told my wife at the time, who doesn't really like men anyway, but- Oh, we'll dig into that in part two. But I said, you know, I think the guy's got some sort of weird charisma.

And she said, you know, that's bullshit. There's no such thing. And I was like, seriously, if I invite you, if he invites me again, you come and meet him. And so, you know, she came there and he saw her

detected he had an undecided voter. Right. And wanted to really lower the boom on her and went over to her and just gave her the fucking treatment. Gave her the works. There was a point in it where there was like a bright red patch appeared on her cheek. I was like, bitch.

You can always tell. So flustered by him. And so was I. It's a good word. You know, where are you from? She's like, Key Largo. He's like, oh, I love Key Largo. No matter what you say. Yeah. And she's like, well, it has a depressed economy. And then he said something to her. It was something like, you know, there's nothing wrong with Key Largo.

It cannot be fixed by what is right. And he goes, also, I use my dick as a tongue depressor sometimes if you want me to jam it down your gullet. I did. I did later on. I thought in the last five, six years. He kind of went real fast. Remember when Hillary fainted when she was running against Trump and then he went on Charlie Rose? And I noticed that he did...

a lot of throwaway kind of mumbling. And I don't know if you did that hook, but it's kind of like, well, Hill's a fainter. I mean, she faints a lot all the time, you know, because she's a little itty bitty thing and she's heavy in the bun and thigh, which I find adorable. But she, you know, there's a little humidity and she starts going around like a whirling dervish. But he sort of has this kind of throwaway casual thing that he does. And I don't know what people are saying or what are they like, kind of almost fast. I don't know lately, lately, but that was five years ago.

I mean, I really wish I had picked up on that because that would just have been gorgeous for him to be saying directly and talk directly. Let me tell you something about this. You know, sort of like a madman, like a like a diarrhea of the mouth. But but you do. His voice now is forced, correct?

somewhat hoarse I never really did when I did him on the variety show I did with Smigel and Lucy Kay and Carell and Colbert I just did him in the first sketch and it bombed out the show but I didn't do it at all like I had no because Phil had done it you owned it and sometimes when someone owns it on Saturday Night Live you're kind of like eh that's whoever has it on SNL they're the they're the president of comedy of that character right and then I was asked to do it and I just didn't

have anything at all it's terrible I've only just casually observed him in the last few years and found him very interesting how he kind of his mouth is kind of open and there's sort of a normal guy in his 70s kind of you know that's a little rough and stuff I just do it for my own amusement I mean I don't it's not much to do with it he's not senile or anything yet he's still pretty sharp dude right oh yeah he's thin he got thin yeah

Because of all the cardiovascular stuff, which I can speak to, but, you know, where you just like he went vegan or something after his second whatever operation. But anyway, so, yeah. What's your favorite impression you've ever done? What are your favorite ones? Well, first, let me say I want to talk about when Lauren asked me to do

Regis Philbin after Dana had left me nothing. Dana took every crumb. I thought you did it great, by the way. And I never had a problem with that. I don't, you know, Sherry O'Terry did it once, stunt casting in those days.

before you did it. And I just thought, I don't own the impression. I mean, people would say to me, well, I'm just doing George Bush, my hook, you could do it. I mean, I don't own it. But so anyway, speak to that. After you did it, I wanna do it like that. Exactly, you don't wanna copy the hooks of somebody, you wanna discover them on your own. And I did it, must've done it 10 times on the show. Yeah, and like if I were doing it in a club and I did like an act, like my version,

They wouldn't laugh at it. And I never even tried after you did it. You know, I never even tried it on stage with Regis. You know, I said to Lauren, it's like Dana took everything. It can't be done better than that. He's like, well, we need it. Just do it like however. So what I decided to do was close off his nasal passages, you know? Yes. That's what I decided to do. And it made the sound slightly different. And this way I wasn't doing you.

Yeah. I mean, no, I know. And that's part of his frequency, I would say a little bit nasal. Yeah. Joy and I went down to Tijuana and a cave that was a thousand years old. It was a thousand. I did a sign off the other day with William Shatner and just went into Regis in a way of just being able to visit with him again.

Honest to God. It starts with honest to God, you know, when he taught me this guy, Daryl Hammett, let me tell you, he's a human tape recorder. He could do anybody. Honest to God. Everybody loves him. He did Bill Clinton. He did this. And you're just like the charm of Regis when he would sign off with a guest, just that specific thing was so fun to inhabit, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, you'd be the guests on the show like going or he'll say something like so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so. Then he'll pause and then he'll go, but that's terrific. Anyway. What did he lose his place? Well, that's what he do. He do his story. There I was with Brokaw, Dan Tanners, and we had a terrible table. Then he'd take a sip of coffee. But that's terrific. But anyway, that's what happens when you're doing these things. Let me tell you.

You're the toast of the town, kid. But yeah, that was he's a fun guy. I mean, do you ever just like because I'll do it sometimes with Paul McCartney or something. I'll just find myself kind of mumbling if I'm alone, just sort of doing it just to be in that attitude with McCartney. You can actually do Paul McCartney. And I swear to God, it's not the fucking easiest thing to do. You know, I like to hear that. OK, I'll come out. Everyone, everyone thinks they can do the Liverpoolian accent. It's not that damn easy.

For me, the hook into it is making up words that are liver-puddling and colloquialisms, but are sort of made up. Boopily-boop. We're sitting here, you know, we're doing the talky-talk, you know. We're zooming. We're zooming in, you know. And we can't hear each other so good, we get wobbly. We get wobbly. Oh, man. And just that's the fun of it is repeating those little phrases. And I like being Paul McCartney. I do a thing about just...

Just, if the news is bad, just filter it through his attitude. We had a pandemic, you know, a little virus came around. We all sat inside, had a cup of tea. What do we do? I said, put a mask on, we rob a banker, you know. A banker? Yeah, you make them up. You just add an E and an R, you rob a banker. And he's like, you know, hold you up, I hold you up. So I love just visiting that. I mean, do you find yourself...

coming on to any voice sometimes just to deal with stress in a way or just you know or just makes you feel good to be that that character yeah there was a a guy that i knew that was supposedly bobbed up that um when i used to hang out at mckale's in 46 and 8 it was like the most colorful guy and he you know he probably had a third grade education but he was he

They said he was a gangster and he talked like a gangster. And he said funny, charming, super smart things with bad grammar. You know, like what she said to me is like, I'm like, he's like, Daryl, you know, you know what happens if you hit it? Right. Hit a guy in the head with a lead. You know what happens after that?

you go to the you go to the penitentiary you understand you understand the penitentiary because there was a guy in my house that had insulted me he was a house guest of mine so i'm drinking i'm like i felt like hitting the guy in the head with a lamp and he's like and tomorrow morning on the bus to rick is i right yeah but listen to this thing and he said to me he goes um

And the other thing about it is, you know, you get your bun on, you hit a guy with a lamp, you know, and you alter him, Darryl. You alter. Most humans cannot alter another. See, that's the hook. I'm like, what is alter? Alter? Like the brain? Yeah. You make him different or something, right? Yeah, it was like he was saying, well, I mean, you tune a guy up, you know, he wakes up with a headache or whatever.

When you alter another, you know, it wakes up with a speech impediment. You understand? You understand. And he don't walk right no more. You know, he don't laugh all the way no more. You know, you got to walk in tub now. That kind of thing. Walk in tub now. I love that. I really relate to that because when you go in a character like that,

You just don't feel afraid. Like a guy, you know, if we want to dance, we can dance. I don't like to dance, but I'll dance with you. You want to dance? I like the tough guy that's trying to keep it cool like that. The tough guy. And I love it when they add no at the end of a sentence. I have a friend like that, Gary Prince. He lives in Florida from Brooklyn. And you're eating and stuff. He goes, is this good pasta? No. He says no at the end. I love that.

Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's. But it makes you brave. If you, I always thought when I was a kid growing up in California, that New York or the East coast could beat us up. Like if there was just, they came at us, they're just so tough. And you know, what the fuck are you going to do? You know, I got these drivers, like, you know, I'm always faithful to my wife.

you know, I got a little, a couple of things on the side, but I'm monogamous. You know, every two times a month, I met this little gal, but I'm monogamous. I mean, there's a direct quotes and you go, who are these guys? I mean, no wonder the Sopranos was so brilliant. You know, did you ever do, try to do Tony Soprano? I didn't, but I, I, you know,

There was a time when I did this, I was doing a sketch with Molly and she was doing the 50 year old dancer. I had a decent Tony soprano. It's very high, isn't it? The cue cards were so different from dress. Like I hadn't actually seen these words before. And I mean, I had I had like, you know, pancake in my mouth and I panicked and I went into like a Brando thing. I can relate to that. I couldn't think of anything else.

I lost the impression, you know, as well. I actually had dinner with him one night with some restaurant called the Five Towns. He was work. He was supposedly going to play like a hit man, like a gay hit man. We had the same acting teacher. So the acting teacher put us together and we were there and I was drinking. And the only thing I remember him was asking me if I was OK. And I said, what? I think I'm drinking too many martinis. And he leans into me.

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You know, Kevin Pollak took a ride with Shatner and Walk and wound it down so hard. It's another thing where you're like, I guess I'll leave that alone. I always wanted to do John Malkovich, but I always go to Travolta. That's kind of a goal, a casual goal of mine is to do a perfect John Malkovich. But with Shatner, I didn't. But you did him right on the show, didn't you? Yeah, but not well. I mean, I was...

You know, Higgins helped me out a lot with it. I was stuck on an impression. I was stuck on Pollock's impression. And it's like doing Nicholson. You know, I didn't want to do it after I'd seen so many people do it so well. Yeah. And Pollock was the one you both thought was a good one, right?

Pollock, I thought, was the king. He went crazy with it. He had a physicality with the elbow and the head turn. Kevin will wind down on things so hard, and there's so much nuance. I mean, his walk-in...

It's the same kind of thing. There's several guys who can do a brilliant walk-on, but his- I mean, there was a guy back then that I loved and I followed pretty closely named Joe Alasky. Oh, yeah. Joe Alasky. Yeah. He ended up doing Yosemite Sam for Warner Brothers. He did. But he had a really, really nice Shatner. And I was afraid that when I was doing him- Really exquisite Shatner.

Exquisite. You don't like, you intentionally, you don't want to be influenced by other impressions. You'd rather discover it on your own, right? Walking you can do at home now. Walking anybody can do now. I think, I don't know who started walking out of all you guys, but being a casual observer, it's,

it's turned into like a Lorne where you can just take it home to go and everyone at home can do it. But it's always a version of whoever started it. You know, I don't know. I don't know who do you remember was one of the first Walk-Ins. I don't really know. I think that because of SNL, when you have a personal story that you're telling...

Like when Walken said, best suit, so funny, and best as well, then you don't even really care if it's accurate. He's just a character in your story. Yeah. But as far as doing the clubs, he went through his peak. I mean, everyone was doing Nicholson, you know, and then for a while, everyone's doing Walken. I don't know what it is now, you know, as far as the younger movie stars. I mean, I've been doing...

Brad Pitt from, I just do Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which I saw the movie 11 times because I just got possessed by it. Really? Yeah. I'd like to hear about that. I just saw it the first time and then I just thought, oh, that was okay. And then I saw it again. Then I saw it with my brother. Then I saw it with my wife. Then I showed it to relatives. Then I saw it down here. And let's face it, man, I'm a goddamn husband. What'd that guy say to you? Yeah.

Don't cry in front of the Mexicans. Look, I like being your gopher and I like house sitting, but let's face it, I haven't worked as a stunt man in quite some time. And I don't think there's, I think there's a lot of things worse than going and making Italian movies. Yeah, I don't want to be a goddamn Italian movie. How many you seen? One, two? I just, I love the movie so much. Cool. You know?

I mean, I love that movie so much that- That's cool. That's good. I even, yeah, it's wonderful. I'll do more. I've memorized the movie, basically. I ended up going to Cielo Drive and everything, you know, the Sharon Tate house. Oh, you got possessed by the movie too? Yeah. Oh, a thousand percent. By the way, Kevin Pollak has seen it 12 or 13 times. How do you know that? I had dinner with him and asked him. Yeah.

- They're old buddies from San Fran. - That guy Pollock, when I saw him do "Walkin'," I'm like, "All right, no, I ain't doing that." - It's over. It's locked. - It really reminds me of when I was a kid, I was 21, 22, and just moved to New York, and through a friend of a friend, we got tickets to the public theater to see Meryl Streep in a play called "Taken in Marriage." - She does "Walkin'." - In the play, we were in the second row at the public theater, and in the play,

She played this woman from Connecticut who had a cold and had to cry. Okay. That was her, that was her thing for the night. And she did all of that. And I tell you when it was over, it was like, you know, I said to my friend, I was like, I don't know what the fuck we're doing, but we ain't doing that.

We're not doing that. What she's doing up there. Yeah, it's a different it's a different profession. Coming from some some other other place. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we're taking our acting class and we're studying acting and we're doing Death of a Salesman and blah, blah, blah. And then I saw not doing that. That's great. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know what the fuck we're doing, brother. We ain't doing that. Boy, was that magnificent.

But I apologize. You know, when he did the walk and I backed off, I'm like, yours, yours. Do you see some people do it and you go, not like those guys that are great, but you see casual people do it on some show and you go,

Or a stand up and you go, they're close, but it's not there. You could they could do way better. If you know, there's also the comedy frequency of it. If somebody maybe not the perfect, but they have a funny take on it. Yeah. You know, that's the hard part is to put it in your act and make a scenario. Daryl, your act is a lot of these impressions. Right. So do you have to figure out ways to put it in there?

I would I wouldn't put a walking in and I wouldn't ever put a Nicholson in and I would never put a Shatner in because I mean, my you know, after Alaskan Pollock, I mean, what the fuck am I going to do with that? I mean, it was you know, it was hard enough doing Regis in my act after Dana had, you know, knocked the ball out of the stadium so many times. And

People loved it. I don't know. Close the nostril and you're there. But you own your, you're up in the Hall of Fame of impressionists in the last 50 years in America, all the way from Frank Gorshwin and the Canadian Rich Little. Gorshwin. Frank Gorshwin, hilarious. Yeah. And then through some of Dan Aykroyd's impressions, Eddie Murphy, who does like, he's like, does like five supernatural impressions. I don't know if he cares. Eddie, his...

his some of his stuff is amazing but he doesn't you know i don't think he tries to learn or does a lot of them but they're so amazing the ones that he does his cosby and his you know it's so in the pocket mr t cosby yeah jackie gleason yeah wow yeah yeah eddie was like my major you know like my my hero

Because the first guy I ever saw that was consistently funny with his impressions and, you know, and I was so...

I don't know how people get that confidence at that young age. We've kind of touched on that, but it's amazing to me. But also the vocal dexterity is Michael Jackson was also spot on again. And singing as Stevie wonder singing beautifully. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. I can sing too, which is hard to do. If you can sing and add that level in. Did you ever do a singing impression, Daryl? I don't know if I have really. It's not one of my gifts singing singing.

You know, there was a time in my life when I experimented briefly with doing Anthony Newley. Anthony Newley. Oh, wow. The funny man. He's got giant eyebrows from the 70s. Who can make the sunrise? Sprinkle his... Yeah. Well, that was a very dramatic voice. Spade is yawning. No, I didn't. Online camera?

Spade owned Tom Petty and he had a, he would open for him, he had a hat. He didn't have any props, but he had a Tom Petty hat. What did you put on? Mutton chops? And then he made a face. Yeah, and then I put my tongue up in the front part of my mustache area like this.

and it made my face pull down. It was very unattractive and a very rude one. And then when I met Tom Petty, I thought he'd be so excited about it because Michael J. Fox or Tom Petty or people I do or be assigned on the show, you're usually a fan, but impressions are so exaggerated. They're not always flattering. And I forget that. And I forget they might not be psyched about it.

And Tom Petty was pretty cool. And I remember there was an SNL book. I went over to Letterman to have him sign it. And he was very cool. But I thought, fuck. And then over the years, I realized, God, this is kind of a dumb thing I do. I used to close to the impression, Daryl, of Petty. And I didn't really have impressions. So it was just...

Music would play. Yeah, I would sing like him and just play like the ending and it tied into like a callback too. So it was a big, really wham, bam ending. And then...

And then Dennis Miller, we did a gig and I walk out front the next day and he goes, and I'm holding the hat and he goes, you sleep with that thing, Spade? And I go, and he goes, time to lose the props, guy. No props. And I go, that's not really props. It's, I just have this and a little xylophone for my Jeopardy bit. He goes, those are, those are props.

If Dennis was here now, I'd say Spudly. Spudly and the ham cat. Okay? Spudly leaning on the pet. We got to get your head measured. Spudly and the ham cat sharing, you know, copy. That's right. You can do it. I ran out of speed. Go ahead. The ham cat. Ham and, yeah, ham cat. I can't do Dennis. You don't do Dennis? He was just, he was on the show. We just did him an update, you know. Did you do that with Hank's?

I did it once. Yeah, I did it with Hanks. Hanks did it. Dennis did it. We all three in a row did it. If I'm in a role with Dennis, I do, I literally, my vocabulary gets better. I literally am able sometimes, because he's so fast-

And when you talk to him, just even today, he'll drop so many references. Bombs on you, yeah. Weird, funny things. You go, where is this coming from? He's like two steps ahead of you. I mean, the guy has this giant brain. I have an impression question for both of you. Impression question. That's our next podcast. Yeah. Impression questions. So we talked to Shatner recently and he's, I guess, 90 now.

Dana, knowing him growing up and you did your young impression, is it that different now? Is the voice different? The voice is pretty, you said at the end, your voice is really strong. And that was one thing that is a trick that we're like, that's why you don't think he's old. He's not like, hello? Like 90, you'd think he'd be feeble, but he's like, hey guys, good talking to you. And I'm like, holy fuck, you're right. That was a strong voice.

And is he that much different now, or is it still about the same type of moves he has? Yeah. I mean, you know, when it's irresistible to not do stuff that other people have done. Like that Kevin Pollak thing you're talking about again? Well, I mean, like...

I don't do Shatner, but I mean, when he's like, although the face is too... Yes. You know? And that is what we all grew up with. I mean, initially it was him as Captain Kirk. And he said he developed all that. One, if he couldn't remember the lines, he'd have a pause. I can't believe what everybody's doing. And it was intentional. Oh, wait, that's really good. I...

Can't believe what he'd say, you know, and he did it and he was mesmerizing with those rhythms. So we I don't think in real life he talked like that. That was Captain Kirk. And that's where we all took it from. I mean, I didn't watch, you know, Boston Legal that much. He played Denny Crane and the Knots. But I don't think he did that. Scotty.

I need power and I need it now. And I think it was a brilliant kind of creation of his. You couldn't take your eyes off him and Spock. People always say, you know, Kevin Pollak sounded more like Shatner than Shatner. From that era. Yeah. Scunny. I got to get that. It's impossible. Impossible. They can't know what you are doing. So, I mean, it would have been fun to do it. After that, it got later. We both had to go.

Now it gets into Regis. I actually, when I tried to learn Trump, because when he popped out, I thought of Regis. Trump, the most impressive. And I added Brando in a weird way. I don't really do Brando, but Regis was here. Wow, interesting.

And then you walk him over to Brennan and you sort of end here and then you get a little bit. But I mean, you know, Trump went through various incarnations in the beginning. He he had a stronger, more classic voice.

but then when he became president and he started doing all these weird word salads, you know, weird ticks and rhythms like crazy stuff, you know, like, like, you know, I, I studied them the year that I did them. I studied him and I found that he was inspiring that really getting people to feel things. But if you look at the transcript, you can't see it. It doesn't make any, it's, it's, it's like, what would be a good example? Like, uh,

Dogs, a lot of people like dogs. I like dogs. Cats are not nice. You know? Yeah. Yeah, I know. Not nice. Was he... Did you watch Celebrity Print? I assume...

did a lot of people when he did celebrity apprentice, I don't didn't watch it that much, but I don't remember him doing all those many people. Cause he, he will repeat one phrase like 10 times in 30 seconds. We're doing a lot of things. We're doing good things, good things. Many people are saying many good things. Did he do that during the celebrity apprentice? No, he never did it. He never did it until he stood in front of a crowd of 30,000 people. And then all this came out. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, like I did a show once, you know, in front of 10,000 people in Boston and

I was aware that hearing 10,000 people respond to me was making me larger, faster, different, just different. Yeah. So I'm wondering. And you don't even know it right away. You're like, you're just sort of matching their energy and you're like, oh shit, I'm getting off my game here. Yeah. And it, well, I mean, this was the only time I've ever, I ever had done that or have done that. And all of a sudden I was aware that I was moving differently and,

My voice was crisper, my segues were shorter. That's interesting. I was becoming a different comic at the end. That's cool. And I do think if you don't feel like, if the crowd is so big,

It is a little bit like a stand-up trick to repeat your premise over and over again. We're going to win. We're going to win. We're going to win so much. You're not going to say we don't want to win so much. We're going to win. We're winning. And you can't hardly exaggerate it. You're going to say we don't want to win so much. Yeah, that's what he said. He has a quote. He had a meme online that came directly from Huey P. Long, the former colorful governor of Louisiana,

And Huey P. Long used to say, it's not me they're after, it's you. I'm just in the way. And that's what people, his base, walked away feeling every time like, yeah, there are people after my way of life. Yeah, we did get fucked. And on some level, a lot of them did, you know, with that real estate scam and all of that. But Trump has, my impression of him when I was around him was that he could see right through me.

Like a street guy, like a hustler, you know? Definitely. I had a Russian hygienist. This will make sense in a second. She said Putin is trained. He's KGB. He can dissect anyone psychologically. He'll get the power. But I just wonder, he goes up against this other kind of...

altered sort of quirky guy. And you always wonder the relationship between Trump and these, you know, ye, Putin, because Putin probably like, how do I figure this guy out? What am I supposed to say to him? Because Trump was so, you're so beautiful. And I always felt he was like a mob boss.

They always go, oh, he loves, he kisses ass dictators. I thought it was a total manipulation. We had a beautiful, beautiful friendship. I love him. And then if you look at his policies, he was sticking them in the back. That's a mob boss thing, right? I love it. Who loves you? And then he could do a hit on him. What do you think? I don't know. I thought he treated Putin pretty good, didn't he?

Well, he armed the Ukrainians, which made Putin crazy. He did everything he could to stop the second Nord Stream pipeline. I mean, he had it at the bottom of the Black Sea, which was the second natural gas pipeline, you know. And then he bombed the shit out of them in Syria and stuff. I mean, it wasn't – and then there were the diplomats. But it was subtle things, but that was –

juxtaposed to we love, which was really close. So it's odd. What do you both think, by the time Alec was doing Trump, he sort of had, and he's not an impressionist, but he sort of had to do just a very makeup exaggerated version at that point.

That wasn't like exactly a great Trump, but it was at least it got so sort of character. Yeah, it was effective. It was. I always say that, you know, my impressions aren't impressions the way people do impressions. My impressions are SNL impressions. How to do it there when the stuff isn't written till the last second. Yeah, it's very hard. And I finally settled on and I did this. You know, there were a number of impressions that I was I was funny with that weren't vocally effective.

you know, what I was was accustomed to doing. But, you know, with him, I mean, he was killing. OK, what else do you want to say? And, you know, Alec, Alec is a hulking. Alec is kind of a strong guy. Yeah, he's a really strong guy. And Trump is a big, strong guy, you know. And so there was a match there in a way. And it was very effective. It really worked. And Alec Baldwin, you know,

just knows how to land a laugh in that studio, you know, on every sketch. Yeah, I think he got it down to where he could get it. Plus, the crowd is so ready to pounce on Trump, so he could give a joke that's a six out of 10. They'll give it a nine. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, is that he was killing. And after that, I don't know what else to say. You know, the whole point is, you know, Lauren had said, you know, it's okay to back off from an impression,

if that makes it funnier it's okay to caricature it i even have you know like those uh those hershfield drawings where he did all those exaggerations yeah you know that looked more like kate hipburn than kate hipburn and so i model i tried to model myself after that after that but um you know people would interview me about about alec and i go the guy's killing i don't know what

What else do you want? And also, you know, whatever my crazy is, it doesn't extend to not wanting other people to score. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I don't own that character. It's not mine. I played at Yankee stadium. I don't own third base. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I don't, it would be like being a hitter in the big leagues and you don't want the other hitters to, you expect the other hitters to not do well.

Well, I didn't even think of it that way because I guess you had done it. Yeah, I get it. Well, we're part of a fraternity, so it's not glamorous. I mean, we know that Alec, they're getting the wig on. He's got glue. He's sweating. You know, he's trying to get a drink of water. It'll be in the cards. It's just...

you know, emotional combat being on that show. And I've been in the studio when they're getting ready for the cold opening. I was doing a little guest spot, you know, and it's like nerve wracking. You see him getting ready. This is the start of the show. Hopefully, God willing, this works, you know. And then everything goes dead silent right before. Everyone's like, shh. So you just have props.

for anyone who does that. It's not easy. You can do it and not choke. And then from the floor, Chris is going, 30 seconds. Yeah. And you're like, okay. Five seconds. Five seconds. Five seconds.

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The way you used it in that Jeopardy show was so powerful. Like you landed, the way it was written and the way you did him, so serious. And I don't know, that was like a magic sketch. When I first was learning, you know, the impression, it was the same thing with Ted Koppel. I was learning these impressions.

And I was probably nailing coming close to nailing it vocally. But it wasn't funny, you know. So I always thought of you and the stuff you've done. And and I tried to do him in a funny way. And it wasn't as accurate as it had been vocally when I was learning it at my office.

But it was funny. I was getting my laughs. Your whole physical attitude and everything about you was so serious and so, so masculine that it just in this silly show. But it really. Yeah. Yeah. It was just one of those. You know, Lorne being around there is kind of like, you know, Daryl, it's a funny show. Is it funny? Are you being funny? Are you getting laughs? Like the first time I did Ted Kappel, I didn't get a single laugh.

You know? And he's like, "Stretch it out of shape. Be like Dana." I never did Koppel very good. Like, the tenor that you have is perfect. The only thing I did was from the show. I'm Ted Koppel and this

It was Nightline. I just took a long pause. So yeah, it's trickery in a way. That's okay. What do they say in acting class? You're printing Ted Koppel. Now you can do the material. You know what I mean? It doesn't have... Thank God I wasn't vocally accurate every time, but

Like with Connery, it was like a whole fucking, you know, like he didn't say that last night, you know, when I was pumping Moogoo guy pan all over your tonsils. It was a character that was so brilliant. Yeah, I was doing I was being like Dana. I exaggerated him.

And it killed. It killed. As opposed to when I just, you know, did it vocally super. And then when they just laid there. I don't think people understand the pressure of doing stuff like that because it's only like the whole planet is watching. Right? Yeah. Trump tweeted about me a couple of times. And, you know, I'm like, and I'm thinking to myself, Vlad Putin's reading this, you know?

yeah how crazy you're getting ready to go on tv and oh yeah they're watching in moscow they're aware watching in moscow tonight if you think about it too much you'll just start start crying i tried to just make that audience right in front of me laugh you know but yeah terrifying yeah i mean i was doing a thing uh one time i was doing a rumsfeld bed and

And I look up and A-Rod is standing there and Paul McCartney. And I just like panicked. I was like, what in the fuck am I doing in this room? You know? And they have to watch you. Why am I in a room with an original Beatle? Well, there's only one Beatle. Two Beatles left. I mean, that's kind of why they bought everyone, I guess,

is comfortable out there and i'm not sure i ever was comfortable i was always i went home most of the time thinking i disgraced myself you know even even into after 10 years still you didn't absolutely and then it got really you know difficult for me in the end because um you know when obama came in um i didn't play anyone in his administration and the writing was sort of on the wall oh yeah your time's up bro but it you know it lasted a

and agonize in two more years. And I've always told people it's harder to get off Saturday Night Live than it is to get on Saturday. Well, it's hard to go, where do I go? Like everyone leaves and goes, I got to go somewhere because I got to make some money and I got to, nothing beats a steady check. And whenever you, people forget like in SAG or you stop a TV show or movie and it goes from good money to zero. There's no middle. It's just zero. And you go, fuck.

I get a couple residuals here and there, but that's not doing it. And it's just high pressure. And it's always hard to just jump and go, I got to go. And then you're like, why? And then after a week, you're like, I could still do it. I mean, I still know how to do it.

But you probably do feel it's time. When I left, I felt it was time and it was a little late. I think that you created this great character that has traveled, you know, on situation comedies and stuff. For people like Daryl and I, there's really no place to do what we do. I mean, there's only one live sketch show from New York where you do impressions and characters live.

There's nothing quite like it. So I could see why it's, you know, it's hard to let it go. It's strange to come back. And, you know, you always have some part of your brain like, God, why couldn't I have done this a long time? But, you know, Carol Burnett did nine years. You know, I mean, there were these variety shows just aren't around. I tried it in primetime. I think Martin Short did.

There was In Living Color, which is own different style. But generally speaking, to do sketch comedy, it's just SNL. They have their own lane, really.

So they know how to do it the best. Costumes are great. When it works, it's magic. It's live. It's live. And they have Kim Kardashian or Wayne Gretzky on there. It's very, it's got so many things about it. And Dana taught me that in dress rehearsal and tech rehearsal, when you're saying live from New York, you never say it's live from New York. It's Saturday night. You always say, live from New York, it's gobbledygook.

I always try. Well, I always hope I'm peaking on air. You know, I always hope that when I was on the air show, the report card part of my brain is going, this is the best I've done it this week. You hate to peek at dress. We've talked about that, but you know. We did talk about it a lot. And you said, it's sort of like get your bearings, know where your mark is, get the voice right, get familiar with the language, get some laughs. Yeah.

But you said something bizarre to me. You said, save something for air. It's hard to do, but yeah. It's very difficult. Well, you want to get on and you know you go, oh, I saved too much because the sketch got cut. Yeah.

Well, you have to know if you're in the cold opening, you're probably going to go on, you know. But yeah, it's a real mental thing, SNL, and to try to turn the tables of confidence where you're like, I can't wait to show them what I'm going to do. Same thing with stand-up. We all do stand-up and some nights you're just in such command and control. You're just like, you're just dominating, you know.

And then some nights it's just, you just feel awkward and it's hard when you're on live TV. Nothing worse than doing air and about 20 seconds in the air, you're like, they're not as good of a crowd. There's nothing quite like going, so I've done this before and it's killed before and I don't know what's wrong with you.

This killed on Letterman, but it's not killing it. Yuck, yucks. Yeah, yeah. So it reverses the, yeah, right. You know, you haven't been in front of a crowd and it's like you're two or three minutes in and you're going, oh, wait, they don't get me. Yeah, they're not buying it. They don't get, I just threw my high hard when I threw my fastball, like three fastballs. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, it's just not happening tonight. I just try to break it down then. Just start doing crowd work or something. Just mayday, mayday. Shake it up, yeah. I always think if you're not buying the first three jokes, you're not going to like the last three. They're all about the same. Like, if you don't think I'm funny, it's all about like this. Yeah. I just gave you my best shit right there. You just sat there like a pool of carp. Yeah, fuck off.

Oh, gross. Why did we choose this life path? We're crazy. We're crazy people. We're nutty theater folk. Anything else for Daryl, Dana? What do you think? I've just enjoyed this so much. We're loving this. And I say this every time. I just like hanging out with people that I've had interactions with and especially had touchstones with with Saturday Night Live. So it's just so much fun to do this. And yeah.

I will come on your podcast the next time you ask me. Oh, I'm asking you both right now. I will whenever you just let me know. It's really difficult. For a while, we were doing well. We had Jane Fonda. Wow. We had some pretty cool people on, and we did a decent job. But Jesus, once...

I don't work that much, but my partner, Chris Milhouse works a lot. He produces. So it's hard to get, to put, to get it together sometimes, but it is the key to podcasting is to make it as easy as possible. So you can do it. Of course, that would give us a huge boom and,

Any form of servitude I could do for either one of you, let me know. You did it. I got a setup here. I'll get rid of this buzz, but yeah, let me know. I'm happy to come on. And I'm going to have someone transcribe this, and then we'll read it like a script. We'll just redo what we just did, but it'll be on your podcast. This worked really well. Let's just do this. I think that's what we should do. How do I...

say thanks you don't have to say thanks you just came on our podcast yeah that's great i know but it was you know it was a really good experience and it felt real it just feels good to talk about comedy and you're both funny as fuck last time i saw spade was at

comedy story fucking crushed i love it thank you spade knows how to do stand-up extremely well he is extremely good at stand-up yes well i didn't do many impressions on the show and it's sort of fun for me too because it's different different mechanisms there's different reasons people on the show but it's so fun i'm always so jealous when i see good impressions it's so fun to watch and uh just even watching you guys do it this whole

Talk is hilarious. It's great. I just tell people to throw their voice. Like I enjoy Daryl's New York guy as much as any impression. And, you know, sometimes you go, well, I'm doing an impression of my brother, Brad. Now he's called Garth.

but also for young comedians, I go, just throw your voice. Just start talking like this or whatever. Just get it out if you want to do comedy that way. Yeah, I mean, some of my favorite voices are not famous people. I mean, all the time I lived in New Orleans and people that I met there, when we do my podcast or you guys come on, there's people I want to do for you that I knew in New Orleans and were out of this world. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Good gosh. Well, this has been such a good time. I enjoyed it so much. No, I can run Clinton out. This is a fun little thing. And we talked all about process and things like that and how we deal with nerves on Saturday Night Live. It's a good show and all like that. So anyway, so much fun, Daryl. Really, really interesting. Daryl, thank you. All right. Just reach out to me. We'll talk soon. Okay. Sounds good. Take care, guys. Next week's guest will be Lorraine Newman.

Fly on the Wall has been a presentation of Cadence 13. Please listen, then rate, review, and follow all episodes. Executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Chris Corcoran of Cadence 13, and Charlie Finan of Brillstein Entertainment. Production and engineering led by Greg Holtzman, Richard Cook, Serena Regan, and Chris Basil of Cadence 13.