Ben Shapiro & Jeremy Boreing Uncensored Call In
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All right, everybody. So we have a limited amount of time. We have a hard stop at 930 because we all have to wake up super early because tomorrow is the day. But I would be remiss if we didn't get an opportunity for you guys to talk with Ben and Jeremy. So we're going to go straight to callers. I hope you guys are ready. We're going to start with T-Bone. Welcome to the show. Ask away.

Hello, hello, hello. Thank you so much for taking my call. Bill, it was great to get a photo with you at the Newtown event. I will say I thought you were taller. Everybody says that. It was still great to meet you. Everyone says that. I'm the shortest guy here. Ben's taller than me. Tim's taller than me. Everybody's taller than me. Except for Mary. But she's wearing shoes. She's wearing shoes that makes her almost as tall as me. And what's your question, man?

As the last day of campaigning ends, Trump did four rallies across PA and North Carolina, while Kamala only did one in Allentown. I was at the one in Reading. Trump seemed to be very invigorated and invested with the people. This is a question for everyone, but mostly Ben and Jeremy. How important do you think Pennsylvania is as a swing state, and what do you think Trump will do if he doesn't win PA?

So by Nate Silver's estimate, and he's the best poll analyst there is, he says that Pennsylvania is the number one indicator as to who wins the presidency. So if Kamala wins Pennsylvania, very good shot, she wins the presidency. With that said, I think that Trump actually has a very solid chance in Wisconsin as well. I think Wisconsin is the hardest state to poll. And so it's a possibility that he wins North Carolina, loses Pennsylvania, but still pulls out Wisconsin. That's enough to win him in the election. But it's a huge state. Obviously, if he wins it, the election's over and he wins. And

And I will say that, by the way, if you've been to one of his rallies, the thing that people underestimate about Trump, dude is an amazing retail politician, like a truly great retail politician. You've ever seen him work a room? I mean, he's incredible. And that's a real skill set. Like, you know, I was a big round of Santa's fan and I still am. I think he's a great governor. He's the best governor in America for my money. I live in a state and Governor DeSantis just he doesn't work in the same way Donald Trump does. Donald Trump is a great retail politician. And I think it's worth noting that in our lifetime, the better retail politician has won every single presidential election.

Except for 2020 because everyone was dead and you couldn't shake hands. Well, that's right. Yeah. They literally took retail politics off the table in 2020. That was the strong point that Bill Clinton had, wasn't it? It was that he made you feel like you were the only person in the room and he was great at making you feel like you were important. It's true for W also. Is it? W is really good with human beings. I have a great story about W that my, a very good friend of mine was a camera guy for a local NBC affiliate in the small town of Lubbock, Texas. And

And of course, George W. Bush was our governor for eight years before he became president. And when he was making his first run for governor, uh,

George Bush came to Lubbock and my friend was the camera guy, right? He was for the NBC affiliate. And he spent maybe two minutes setting up a shot, having a very small chit chat with George Bush. George Bush then goes on to be governor for eight years, then he becomes president for several years, and then he's back in Lubbock. And my same friend is there, only now he's not there as a cameraman. He's there as a disc jockey, a completely different role. And he's going to actually get to ask a question to the president.

And he gets his chance and he goes up and he's about to introduce himself to President Bush. And President Bush says, Bill, hey, how's your little daughter? And remembers his name, remembers his daughter. I thought you were a camera guy. Like, remember, that is an actual skill. And it is a skill that both he and Bill Clinton had. You know, Tucker Carlson gave an interview once where he said that he was on Air Force One when they were flying over the country. And the pilot chimed in and said, you know, we're now flying over the country.

Deloitte or something, you know, and George W. Bush instantly knew who the Republican precinct chair was in that town. And Tucker said it was an impressive kind of party trick. He says, but I remember that Bill Clinton could do the same thing. Essentially, you could just name almost any place anywhere. And he knew who's the precinct captain there, who are my allies there. That's a genuine political skill. And it's

absolutely not a skill that Kamala Harris has. It's something they can't fake either, clearly. There's something else about Trump, and there's a lot of guys like this, they compliment you when they meet you. You instantly feel good about yourself. When I met Trump the first time, it was...

Bruceowitz introduced me to Trump and said, this is Tim Pool. He's one of the biggest social media guys. And he goes, well, of course. I mean, look at his face. How could he not be famous? I mean, something like that. And then you can't help but laugh and smile. He shakes your hand. He makes you feel good. He's a kibitzer. He's amazing at it. Really amazing at it. And then everybody leaves with a smile on their face being like, I really like that guy. Yep. I was with the political commentator Bill Whittle once, and we were shooting a video for the CIA.

which I only say so that all the trolls on X can have final validation that I'm a... This is a private thing. There's not a lot of trolls here. We were making this video, and Bill was directing the video, and Gene Simmons showed up to do a little part in the video, which was a complete trip. Just everything about this particular project was wild like this. But Gene Simmons walks into the room, and Gene Simmons is, first of all, he's a giant. I mean, the man's, I don't know, he's like 6'12".

And he looks like and is Gene Simmons. So you open the door and he ducks and comes into the room and he looks at Bill Whittle and he says, well, aren't you a magnificent sexual animal? And you instantly love his man. You instantly love him. T-Bone, is there anything else you wanted to add?

I just want to say thank you again for taking my question. I wanted to shout out the Discord. Tonight is Marine Monday night with two of our great Marines. We have Raymond G. Stanley Jr. and Slick hosting the after show. And I just wanted to shout out Roman Nation on YouTube. He's doing a 12-hour livestream tomorrow for the election starting at 2 p.m. Right on. Thanks for calling in, buddy. Have a good night.

all right let's next up we'll grab noble six welcome to the show noble six halo player there you go you are live hi uh so my my question is for jeremy and ben um but first just because jeremy mentioned it earlier about trump having the ability to kind of forgive or at least reach out to people that had wronged him

I totally understand that Steven Crowder made kind of a dickish move when he recorded your call and projected it out there. So I'm not excusing him for what he did on that sense. However,

you know, I do very much so agree with a lot of the stuff about the term sheets and I used to work in Hollywood. So I don't know if it was just like a cookie cutter, short form term sheet, or if it was a long form contract. Um, but I think he did have legitimate points about, um, the nature of where YouTube is going, censoring people. And I think, I think Tim, um,

you know, was in heavy agreement as well. Anyway, my question was, is that something that you all think you'd be willing to bury the hatchet with him over and maybe even kind of work out, maybe even have like a conversation with him at some point about it? Because, you know, I don't think it really serves everybody well if all these, you know, conservative libertarian factions are divided kind of like the left are right now. So I'm just curious if that's something that you will be willing to entertain a conversation and kind of burying the hatchet with him.

Well, I'm not going to relitigate the term sheet that I put in front of Steven Crowder except to say that it was a big, beautiful term sheet. Everyone was saying so. And, you know, I think that I am sort of famous for not being a grudge holder. I have a lot of really bad qualities, which you can Google. There are any number of authorized and unauthorized lists. But I'm not actually much of a grudge holder. I'm something of a pushover.

And, you know, somebody asked me if somebody asked me if they could have Stephen on a show. And they don't ask for my permission to have people on their shows, but they were doing it as a sign of respect because they knew that there'd been some bad blood only a couple of weeks ago. And I said, yeah, of course, you can have Stephen on your show.

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I think Steven's doing a lot of good work. Some of the stuff he's doing with these undercover former Project Veritas guys that he's hired is good. And I've always said Steven's one of the most talented guys operating in the business. Would I be willing to have a conversation with him? If he had to go through a metal detector first, probably so. Well, I just want to say too, to clarify, because when all that went down, my position largely was...

Without me naming any of these other companies, because I know you guys know some of these companies too, I am a fucking prick at...

If someone wastes my time for one second, and I went to a meeting in New York, and they said, Tim, your show's so good. We're going to give you everything. You're going to be number one. They were like, look at Ben Shapiro. Knock him down. You're up top here. And they half said that. I'm kidding. Because you were at the top. You were like number one. And I was like, well, this sounds fantastic. I'm willing to do this. And they said, we're going to send you a contract, regular stuff, boilerplate stuff. Go through it. Let us know what you think.

They sent me a contract that said they own everything. They buried this shit. I'm not a fucking idiot. They sent me this contract. I read through it. And they added things like addendum D available at request and shit like that. And it said, I sign over the intellectual property rights. I sign over...

Like, it was fucking insane. And I emailed them back and I said, send me a real contract if you want to have a conversation. And they were like, this is our standard contract. And I said, then you're wasting my time. And they were like, Mr. Poole, please, this is standard. Have your lawyer redline it. And I'm like, I'm not going to spend $5,000 because you tried slipping bullshit into a contract to steal my company from me.

And so I say that because when all this stuff was going down, when I was talking to Jeremy and we were negotiating two years ago, it was like two buddies hanging out and you were asking me what made sense, what didn't. And I was like, it was one of the most respectable conversations I've ever had. And so I don't agree with Steven on that one. But I don't have any animosity or beef anyway. Not to inject myself, but I have tremendous respect for the work that you guys do here when –

When we came in and we're working on this election thing, you guys have like a standard release. And it was single, one page, super simple, easy for any person who's not a lawyer to read and understand. I was in the Bay Area, and there were a handful of conservative commentators who were asked to be in a documentary. I'm not going to name any of these people, but boy, was this large main... You know, fuck them. It was the Atlantic. Fuck these people. I love the way that sounds. Yeah, they had a contract that...

They were like, it's a standard release to appear in the documentary. No, it wasn't. It was a lifetime in perpetuity, right? And access to all of their work, everything they'd ever done to be used without license. And I said, don't sign that. Ask them for a single, I agree to appear in this documentary for this purposes only. And the people who worked at Atlantic started

Shit talking me they were so fucking pissed I have seen so many of these people that are such pieces of shit and so anyway I'm done ranting, but I I I despise so much of what people do in this industry so long story short I think you guys have been so tremendously honest and forthcoming and The only worry I have is that people will try to take advantage of you mother The good news is you can do your own analysis because Jeremy literally read the entirety of that term sheet

Right. On the air. The whole thing. Word for word. And it's on YouTube. And it is on YouTube. So if you wish to make your own judgment about that, that's not something that most people do when there's a contract dispute. He literally took the entire contract and read it word for word with explanation for like half an hour. So make the judgment yourself. But, you know.

You know, not to re-indicate. He didn't want to sign it and he didn't. Yeah, exactly. So here we are. And I think it's, you know, my view is we'll just try and move forward. And we're doing a show. We're going to join Steve in briefly tomorrow for election coverage. From our studios? How dare you? That's absolutely correct. Absolutely correct. From here. Nobody asked for my permission.

I told Crowder and I told your guys and I was like, nobody cares. And I was like, we don't care. And I was like, I don't think anybody cares. I thought you'd want to be on the call. Sounds like there's a great deal to be had here. I don't know. But anyway, we do have only nine or so minutes. By the way, Stephen is particularly good around live events like this. He'll be really funny tomorrow. Really insightful tomorrow. And we're going to be joining Lotus Eaters as well. So we've got these really great crossovers. Noble Six, do you want to shout anything out before we move on?

Uh, well, this is like my third time asking, so I don't want to reiterate other than that, since Mary is also here and it'd be good for her show. We would, a lot of us would love to have the critical drinker on both of your shows. I would love that too. Cool. All right, man. Thanks for calling in. Thanks. Bye. All right. So we've got eight, seven and a half minutes. Shadowbox design. What is up?

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Man, there's a lot. The Lord is in control. That's all I can say. So I'll move on to my question. This question for Ben specifically. We've seen a rise of radical anti-Israel, anti-Semitic sentiment from both the fringe of the left and the right.

With one of your main concerns for this election being our government's support for Israel, do you think the Republican Party is actually better than the Democratic Party in its support for Israel if they're also influenced by their constituents who are on that fringe? So first of all, I think the constituents who are on that fringe in the Republican Party are significantly less numerous than they are inside the Democratic Party.

That's true just by poll data. So if you look at the poll data among Democrats with regard to, for example, Israel and Palestinian issue, which you mentioned, Democrats' plurality are sympathetic to the Palestinians as opposed to Israel. Republicans, 66 to 8, support Israel over the Palestinians. So Republicans are a much more pro-Israel party. As far as sort of the anti-Semitism in both parties, again, I will say that Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, these are very well-respected people inside the Democratic Party.

Kamala Harris can't find it in her heart to even tell protesters that what they're saying is incorrect when they say things that are clearly untrue, like Israel is committing a genocide. If they are, it's the most unsuccessful genocide in the history of all warfare by far. It is not even close. There have been more births that have taken place in the Gaza Strip than deaths in the Gaza War. So, you know, that's not the way that you tend to

destroy an entire population if that is your goal. Well, we just need to have reproductive rights there then. Yeah, exactly. And meanwhile, on the right, I mean, obviously, there are, anti-Semitism exists in pretty much every spectrum, you know, politically speaking, but I

But I will point out that many of the most famous anti-Semites on the right have actually unendorsed Donald Trump and have been actively campaigning against him because he is too pro-Israel and pro-Jewish. So there's a wide variance between the two parties at this point. Another thing that, on the left, the fundamental kind of...

notion that the that if you are oppressed, you are a good person. And if you are not oppressed or if you are an oppressor, you are a bad person. That's something that that is fundamental on the left. That's not something that comes from the right at all. Correct. The right generally looks at the at things like merit and success being something that is not doesn't have anything to do with your your bloodline or whatever. And I think that that's

because of that, Republicans and people on the right generally would have a... For sure. Left-wing antisemitism, they come from totally different places. There are actually different types of a generalized phenomena. The weird thing about antisemitism is it takes all sorts of weird forms, right? I mean, there's all sorts of different forms. You have like religious antisemitism, then you have like racial antisemitism, and then you have left-wing antisemitism. And left-wing antisemitism comes from a philosophy that says...

In the United States, it's basically DEI. It's a philosophy that essentially suggests that if you fail, it's because you were exploited or victimized in some way. And if you're a member of a group that is disproportionately unsuccessful in some way, it's because the system has screwed you.

And the problem is that really breaks down when it comes to Jews, because Jews are both disproportionately discriminated against in terms of, say, hate crimes, but also disproportionately successful in economic terms. So it completely breaks the matrix. It's not unique to Jews, by the way. It's also for Asians. So you're allowed to be as racist as you want against Asians on the left. You can ban them from universities almost entirely, so long as you just declare them white adjacents. They've been doing the same thing with Jews, and then they look to the Middle East, and the immediate math that they do is they say, like Ta-Nehisi Coates,

the Jews are white people and the Palestinians are black people because the Palestinians are unsuccessful. It's not because they made the shitty decision to reject every peace deal ever presented to them and instead favor terrorism, building billions of dollars worth of terror tunnels and electing terror groups and firing rockets over the border and then kidnapping, murdering people. It turns out that that's a fail. Instead of that, it must be that Israel exploited them because Israel is successful. And so the more Israel is successful, the more exploitative they become. That's sort of the logic that you're referring to. Shadowbox, we do got to jump to our last caller, though. So I hate to rush it. You want to shout anything out?

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So don't wait. Listen and subscribe to Bowling right now, wherever you get your favorite podcasts. So all I see is David Hogg's bonus. I'm going to assume your name is David Hogg's bonus hole, but I could be wrong. Welcome to the show. Oh, I was right. All right. Hi, Barry, Tim, Ben, Jeremy, Phil, Lod, Seamus, Seamus, who's still around.

I was going to save this for if we lose, but since we have the great legal mind of Ben Shapiro on the panel, I thought tonight would be a good night for this. Does the infrastructure exist to retaliate against the silent or not-so-silent Trump voter if we lose tomorrow, this week in January, and what would that look like?

So the silent Trump voter, you know, if you were silent about it, probably no one cares because they're not going to be able to identify you. But if you are a high profile Trump voter, obviously, then you're a little worried. So Elon today is a little bit worried because his neck is on the chopping block. If Elon...

invest everything into Trump winning and then Trump loses, then you can be damn well sure that the DOJ is going to crack down on SpaceX like nobody's business. I mean, they're going to try and deny them government contracts. They're going to try and come after X. This is true for pretty much all the high profile people on the right who have spoken out clearly, particularly in the business sector. If you're in our sector, they're going to target us in all the ways we discussed earlier. But if you are in business, if you're somebody who runs a hedge fund or if you're somebody who is who has generated, you know, a big business in any sector, X.

ACMN. Yeah, ACMN. They will look for excuses. See, here's the thing. When there are this many laws, when there are this many regulations on the books, we're all committing crimes all the time that we don't even know about, right? I mean, the government has tens of thousands of pages of these every year of various regulations. And if you dig into anybody's life, and I live like the cleanest life that is possible for any human being to live, you could find stuff on me, I'm sure. Because...

there's always going to be something when there are that many laws on the books. And so then it's just a question of weaponization of the justice system against people that they don't like. Or if you happen to be somebody who has government contracts, they come after you through a voice. I mean, listen, one time I made a joke and the literally jokingly NLRB wrote us a letter. You remember this, Jeremy? Like the NLRB. Do I remember? It was crazy. I made a joke where I'm trying to remember. I think the situation was that there were it was members of I think it might have been the Atlantic.

political they were yelling at the editors and they had like a union meeting with the editors and they were threatening all sorts of union activity over the editors it was it was literally um spotify and joe rogan was it okay spotify and rogan yeah and it was when the employees were yelling at spotify about how dare you have joe rogan and they were trying to dictate editorial policy and i said something like if our employees tried to dictate editorial policy via unionization i would fire all of them now

There are a bunch of things that are funny about that. One, I don't have the power to hire and fire here. I'm a manager of the company. I don't have an actual office. Jeremy does all the hiring and all the firing, so blame him. But second of all, that is not union-protected activity under the National Labor Relations Act. You cannot unionize in order to control the editorial content of a company like Spotify. That's not how it works. You can unionize in order to strike for higher wages or to pressure for better working conditions. The NLRB sent us a letter and threatened litigation against us based on a joke.

and we had to we had to like actually expend tens of thousands of dollars fighting them in order to get them to drop in or drop they will do this and here's the thing we're rich so we can afford it or we can drop tens of thousands let's imagine you're a small business owner yeah that's right and you make a joke on facebook and they decide they're just going to wreck your day right you're you know jack's bakery in colorado so every two seconds you're getting sued for literally nothing just because people hate your guts that's the kind of world that that you know unions are awesome and unionization is just always the best thing ever and i'm for it 100 i think everybody should just i literally every time i preface this stuff i'm always like

We abide by every single regulation in the National Labor Relations Act, which should immediately be revoked as a piece of shit law. All right. Did you want to throw anything out there? Because you guys got like about one minute. Yeah, I guess really the only thing I wanted to touch on sort of drifted in a different direction than I thought. And I'm trying to be quick because I know you guys are trying to get out of here. But just for that normal working Joe, like they don't have a way to like find your ballot and audit you, nothing like that.

Well, if the government wants you, the government will find you. This is the thing about sort of prepper culture and a lot of the online privacy stuff, which would be a fun conversation for another episode because I think that a lot of it's untrue. A lot of our ideas about online privacy. But if the government wants you, the government will find you. But I think to Ben's point, you're not who the government wants. If you're saying that as a

As a largely anonymous private citizen casting your ballot, are you at high risk of persecution by the government in the event that Trump should lose? I think the answer to that is probably no. I think people like Ben and I are much more likely to be targeted. People like Elon Musk are almost certain to be targeted. And you could say that that's the beginning of a process that could one day result in something more like what we would see in communist countries, where the everyday citizen was persecuted

being persecuted and literally prosecuted by their government. Of course, that could become the result down this path, but it's not as though you're going to wake up on Wednesday to find that Kamala Harris is president and you're going to prison or a concentration camp in the Walmart parking lot set up by FEMA or any of these sort of fantastical scenarios. No, that is not the likely thing that's going to happen. They go after the big fish in order to intimidate the smaller fish, though. That's right. Right.

That's right. So we are over for sure, so we definitely got to wrap it up. Do you want to shout anything out? And then you guys can bounce if you need to, but we'll wind things up. All right. Thanks for calling in. All right. Ben, Jeremy, thanks for hanging out. Hey, man. Thanks so much. That was awesome. We'll be here tomorrow, everybody. See you tomorrow. And for the rest of our lives, because this election will never end. We'll see you all tomorrow morning.