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A Treat for the Die-Hards

2023/2/16
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Revisionist History

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Malcolm Gladwell
以深入浅出的写作风格和对社会科学的探究而闻名的加拿大作家、记者和播客主持人。
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Mike Birbiglia
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Malcolm Gladwell: 大多数故事的结尾都不尽如人意,好的结尾很难创作。人们对故事的评价往往取决于结尾,而这与人们对人的评价方式恰恰相反。研究表明,人们对教师的评价主要取决于最初的印象,而对故事的评价则主要取决于结尾。大多数编剧、作家和播客都过于关注故事的开头,而忽略了结尾的重要性。他区分了轶事和故事,故事的关键在于背叛听众的预期。他以《释放布莱恩·威廉姆斯》和《我爱你,Waymo》两集为例,分别讲述了故事结尾成功和失败的案例,并分析其原因。他认为一个完美的故事结尾应该从结尾开始,然后反向构建故事,并以《泪之王者》一集为例进行了说明。 Mike Birbiglia: 他本人非常关注故事的结尾,并在创作过程中会尝试多个不同的结尾。他讲述了自己在喜剧表演《The New One》中,关于结尾选择的两种不同情感走向,并解释了最终选择的原因。他认为故事的结尾应该引发观众的情感共鸣,即使这种情感是复杂的或矛盾的。他认为一个好的故事应该背叛听众的预期,从而引发更深层次的思考。他喜欢那种结尾能够体现角色在经历重大情感旅程后,即使变化细微,也能感受到其内在的转变,并以电影《大》的结尾为例进行了说明。他讨论了另一个备选结尾,并解释了为什么最终没有采用它。他强调故事的结尾对观众的影响巨大,并可能引发各种不同的个人解读。

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Malcolm Gladwell discusses the difficulty of crafting effective endings in stories, using the example of a nearly perfect movie with a flawed ending.

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Every writer, podcaster and storyteller obsesses about how they begin a story. But they rarely pay enough attention to endings. Nothing matters more. Malcolm and Mike Birbiglia solve endings for you.

From our first-ever Revisionist History: LIVE events at the Town Hall in New York City and the Fillmore Philadelphia, Malcolm revisits how he’s tried to land the narrative plane.

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