Trump vs Harris Debate Watch Party | PBD Podcast | Ep. 468
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All right, we are live with the crowd. Let me tell you, you guys are crazy. We go nonstop. They're here. What's today? Tuesday. Today's Tuesday night.

It's 8.30. We're probably going to go until around midnight. By the way, my 10-year-old son, my 10-year-old son Dylan, was negotiating. I'm going tonight. I said, Dylan, you don't even like politics. He says, but I love you. I said, Dylan, you can come with Daddy. So he's somewhere here, wherever Robert is. Robert's doing homework with him right now in the back. Shout out to Robert being a great uncle. And apparently something's happening tonight. There's a...

Isn't today the first time or the second time this one person that's trying to apply for the most important job in the world who doesn't like to talk to people, but her job is to talk to people, today she's going to be forced to talk to people, right? Today's the ultimate job interview, right? Yes. Have you guys ever applied for a job without doing a lot of interviews? This may be the first person I can pull this off. Okay?

Can you imagine? You go to a company, you get a job, you don't do any interviews, right? Wow. So now, Tom, I'm going to read a couple things with rules for tonight. In a minute, in 20 minutes, we will watch the debate together. We'll comment during the breaks, and then also we'll comment afterwards. And then some of us here, we're going to go to the back, have some cigars, and have good conversations together. So debate rules, Rob, if you want to pull this up. No opening statements.

Closing statements will be two minutes per candidate. Candidates will stand behind podium for the duration of the debate. Props and pre-written notes are not allowed on stage. Okay, Rob, if you...

Do we know who that is? No, that's somebody's phone. It's all good. Okay, all right. So candidates will stand behind podium for the duration of the debate. Props and pre-written notes are not allowed on stage. Props and pre-written notes not allowed on stage. Interesting. No topics or questions will be shared in advance. Candidates will not be permitted to ask questions of each other. Candidates will not be... So you can't say, hey, what do you mean by that?

No, no. If you can't say like, hey, why don't you tell everybody out there how the border is doing since you're the border czar? You can't ask that? You can't. So, okay, what are you going to do? You're going to silence them? So that's going to be – what if the person is doing it – I'm actually curious to know how they handle this one here because remember, guys, don't forget, the last time that there was the debate with Biden and Trump, you know, none of the moderators at all tried to defend Biden. And the feedback I gave at the end was the fact that I think everybody knew –

Tapper knew, Dana knew that he was out, and they're just kind of like, listen, this guy's not going to be there. Hurry up and wrap it up. If they jump in trying to defend Kamala tonight, guess what?

They knew the last one he was out, and they know tonight that they're trying to help Kamala. Tom, I'm going to give you guys the polls. We have the great Amy and Tom here. By the way, how many of you guys watch their show, what they're doing on a weekly basis? If you watch it out there, they've been crushing it. Right, the two of them. The decision, 2024. And then we have, obviously, so here's the goal. Rob, go to the Siena poll if you could. Go to the Siena poll if you could. Siena poll, if you could. It's on your notes that you got right here.

So if you look at the Siena poll, this is New York Times, September 10th, today. It has Harris ahead by two points ahead of Trump. Wisconsin has Harris ahead by three, right? Then you got Michigan, 49 to 47, Harris. Carolina, 48, 47, Trump. Penn, 49, 48, Harris, right?

Carolina was Harris as well. Nevada is Harris as well. Georgia is Trump. Arizona is Trump. Now, this is a Siena poll. Tom, when you guys who study all of these polls, how much credibility do you give to this poll here from Siena? Well, the New York Times Siena poll, we don't put a lot of credibility in there. Is it directionally correct? Yes, in terms of direction. But they are off by anywhere from two and a half to four points. And here's why. Not many...

Number one, they're doing aggregates and or they're doing individual polls where they get 600 likely voters in one poll. And that's not enough. You need to look at several polls together, likely polls from good pollsters. But right now, what's very interesting leading into the debate. What is this, Rob? What is it? Put up. Are you looking at what Rob just put up? Is the audience in this? Do they see this live? Go ahead. OK.

OK, well, refer to this in a minute. We're going to. Yeah, just a minute. Right now, there have not been a lot of new polls released over the last week. This has happened three times in the cycle. Why is that happening? Whenever there's been a leveling or a lowering for Biden and Harris since July 15th.

All of a sudden, the new polls stopped coming out. The reason they stopped coming out is because they don't match the media narrative. The media narrative was going to be Joe has stepped aside. Look at the enthusiasm from Kamala. Look at the bounce. And the narrative was that there was going to be a bounce and they were waiting for the polls to show a bounce, but they didn't. They only showed about a 3% to 5% shift.

Then he said, well, there's got to be more bounce at the convention. Well, they go to the convention. It was only about a two-point shift. So what we're seeing right now is the polls are actually holding back. There should have been about 11 new polls from credible pollsters that came out over the last week that did not. Nationally, Trump is really up by all of our calculations and some others we'll talk about in a second by about two points, two and a half point.

The bias is obvious. Yes, exactly. The bias is extremely obvious, you guys. For anybody who follows any type of aggregators, 538 is a really common one. And it's funny because 538 is actually owned by the parent company ABC. Now, 538 claimed to be independent. They claimed to be impartial from the parent company. Yet somehow the results always match up to a T. Right?

And so what's also very interesting about 538 is they have removed certain pollsters from their aggregate that may lower the overall polling average. So the example that I want to give you guys for anyone who follows our show, The Decision, we always reference the Rasmussen polls. Why? Because they've shown to be accurate. They've shown to be accurate during the primaries. When you look back on historical data, which Rob, we can go ahead and bring up this slide now, you can see

that Rasmussen, by comparison to ABC, are actually, what is that? Tell them what this is. This is the 2020 election, and how far were the polls off, Pat,

at the end of the election when everything was counted. WAPO was 6.54 off? Yeah, Quinnipiac was dead last. LA Times, third from last. Wow. And then you see ABC's Washington Post in purple. Where's the 538? Where's the Siena poll? Well, 538 is now the ABC News poll. And now you go up to the top, there's Rasmussen.

In June of this year, Rasmussen was evicted from the 538 aggregate poll. But look how look where Rasmussen was. Why did that happen? They claim that they don't like their sampling and they don't like their normalizing. OK, so can you can you do me a favor? Because we have we have the debate starting in 15 minutes. Can you tell me what Rasmussen is reporting against the Siena poll?

I want to see how the Rasmussen compares to the Siena poll. We can do that right now. Rob, if you want to pull that up, go for it. Because many people claim that Rasmussen is pro-conservative, but they've been accurate in the past. Let's take a look at the electoral map, and we're going to tell you where we are right now, Pat. And this is coming from – we got the map?

Yep. There we go. This is from on-point politics, and this is matching up with Rasmussen, and this is matching up with us. Right now, we believe there's a 72% chance that Trump will be elected based on tonight going into the debate. These guys... Yes. And Pat...

This organization is in lockstep with Rasmussen, and they have normalized out what's called the bias. Here's the bias. Let's say you and I, Pat, are doing a poll. We get 1,000 likely voters.

We should have 50 Democrat, 50 Republicans, and then insert five to seven independents. That's five, I mean, five to seven for a independent candidate. So normally you don't get that. Normally you're going to get about 35 people that say they're independent. So the point is you balance it out properly. There have been polls that have been going out like Quinnipiac,

had one that was D6. In other words, the number of people in the poll was six percentage points favored to the Dems because that's what they could pull for the polling pool at that time. You see what I mean, Pat? So then they come out and say, hey, Kamala Harris is up by two points. Well, if you normalize out D6, six percent on two, you end up getting six and two is 3.2 the way it comes out. So it's actually half a point or a point for Trump.

So whenever you see polls that say Kamala Harris neck and neck in national poll, that usually means Trump's ahead by one. Yeah, because if she was ahead by one, they chase she's leading. But that is exactly what we're seeing right now. We believe there's a 72 percent chance. We believe Georgia is almost done and that Arizona and Nevada and Pennsylvania are.

are in the Trump column at this time. Anything could change, and that's what this debate is all about, but we believe that that is the reality of what we're seeing. 100%. And it's not just us that are saying this, by the way. Obviously, we can see that they were saying that too, but Rasmussen, a really big pundit in this space is Mark Mitchell. If you guys don't follow him on Twitter, you definitely should. He has been preaching the exact same

same thing as us. And you know what? He's got a nothing but hate for it. If you guys have seen his Twitter feed, he is being bombarded. He has gotten so much hate. And so that's the question, Pat. Why are people who are actually using quantitative data to analyze these polls copying so much hate online? Is it because it doesn't match with the narrative that mainstream media is trying to paint?

That's my impression. Well, I mean, this is good, though. This is good that this has happened and for us to know exactly what happened. Because last time around, when everybody went to sleep, and I'm talking 16, me and Tom were on the phone until 3.30 in the morning. We're like, yeah, I mean, this is a slam dunk. Hillary's winning, right? It's over with. Everybody told us it's done. Don't even think about it. All this stuff, and then boom. Comey comes with what he does, what, a week before the election, and then you're watching everything?

They said, okay. Tom is like, Pat, are you seeing what's going on in New York Times? You remember that? Yep. Are you seeing what's going on? Are you seeing what's going on there? And then all of a sudden, boom, they announced Trump winner. Trump walks on stage like, babe, you're the first lady officially, just so you know that. I don't know if you guys remember that. And then 2020 was a complete opposite. The hockey stick. We'll see what they're going to do this year. I'm going to tell you guys something here on what happened. Very important couple people to get these endorsements. One of the biggest endorsements Kamala Harris got that I think people are undermining.

I don't think people are giving enough credit for the endorsement Kamala Harris got. And if you guys are not taking this thing seriously, you guys, shame on you, because Vladimir Putin officially endorsed Kamala Harris. I mean, you guys got to realize, forget about Beyonce, forget about Taylor Swift, forget about any of these guys. Putin endorses you? Are you afraid? Like, that's resume, right? Her next book should say, I was endorsed by Vladimir Putin.

right? And also Dick Cheney, very honorable, like, you know, a person that we've never made any bad videos about him, bad movies about him. No movie was ever made called, what's it called? Vice. Vice. And a wonderful guy. No military industrial complex, nothing. None of that stuff. A lot of nobility there. And look, they tried so hard to even get Elton John to bash Trump. They couldn't do it. Elton John came out.

and said, rock it, man. He likes it. He loves it. So, Rob, do we want to start off? Why don't we first start off with, we have to give Kamala Harris the credit with Vladimir Putin. Rob, if you don't mind showing that, let's start off with some respect for us. Go ahead. As I said before, we had a favorite in common, Mr. Biden, but he was yanked from the race.

Nevertheless, he recommended that all of his supporters back Ms. Harris. Well, that's what we're going to do, first of all, and second of all. Ordained and it's ordained. Perfectious laugh.

You know what's funny is I think he wanted to party with her because he said, come visit me in Ukraine. Let's get bombed. Tom! No pun intended. Guys, every once in a while...

I sit there and I worry, getting a call from YouTube, who would it be? It's going to end up being Tom probably at the end. Listen, Tom made a comment on the podcast today. It's just not appropriate. Here's Elton John. Go ahead, Rob. Show us Elton John when they asked him, trying to corner him, to say something bad about Trump using Rocket Man for Kim Jong-un. And here's what he said. Go ahead and play this. You're not a supporter of Donald Trump's. He loves your music. How did it feel when he took the lyrics to Rocket Man and

and he used it as a nickname for Kim Jong-un, and then he gave Kim Jong-un a CD. I laughed. I thought it was brilliant. Good on you, Donald. I'm the Rocket Man, yeah. Donald's always been a fan of mine, and he's been to my concerts many, many times.

So, I mean, I've always been friendly towards him, and I thank him for his support. Yeah, when he did that, I just thought it was hilarious. It made me laugh. He gave Kim one of your CDs and signed it. That was in one of the books about him, because Kim, I guess, didn't know the song, so...

What's that? He gave Kim Jong-un the signed CD. He already made his point. So anyways, I mean, it's again, very, very important. Obviously, you guys know when these types of endorsements are being made with Dick Cheney, with Putin, you guys have to believe that President Trump is probably shivering right now, extremely nervous.

Going into the debate, he's probably worried what's going to happen. It's troubling, Vinny, when you think about it, when something like that takes place. By the way, President Bush has no plans to endorse a 2024 presidential candidate. Rob, I think you got a clip of what Trump, for whatever reason, he's always had an issue with the Bush family. Go ahead and play this clip, Rob. Go ahead.

All right? Now, you can take it any way you want. And it took Jeb Bush, if you remember, at the beginning of his announcement, when he announced the president, it took him five days. He went back. It was a mistake. It wasn't a mistake. It took him five days before his people told him what to say. And he ultimately said it was a mistake. The war in Iraq, we spent $2 trillion, thousands of lives. We don't even have it. Iran is taking over Iraq with the second largest oil reserves in the world.

Obviously, it was a mistake. George Bush made a mistake. We can make mistakes. But that one was a beauty. We should have never been in Iraq. We have destabilized the Middle East. So you still think he should be impeached? I think it's my turn, isn't it? You do whatever you want. You call it whatever you want. I want to tell you, they lied. They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none. And they knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Okay. Governor Bush.

You can pause it right there. Rob, you know what's funny? This whole weapons of mass destruction, there's not a bigger name than Dick Cheney. And Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala Harris. Just so you know this. I mean, that's just how you got to realize. Like, imagine you're going out there and somebody says, you know, let's just say you're endorsed by Jelaine Maxwell.

So imagine somebody says, man, you know, Jelaine Maxwell spoke very highly of you, Vinny. Yeah, wow, really? That's not something you want. You don't walk around bragging about that kind of an endorsement. By the way, don't go spreading rumors. That is not a true story. We're just a joke on some people. But by the way, Rob, can you pull up the issues that people are looking at right now, voters, Pew Research, what they're really interested in? What are people looking at with Pew Research? If you can pull it up, the chart that we were all looking at earlier in the back,

You know which one I'm talking about? You had it up, Rob. I think you had it up or Brent? No, you had it up.

No, you had it on. Brandon had it on his computer? Okay. Anyways, while that's going on, Adam, what do you think is going to happen tonight? Rob, if you can find that, that'd be great. Tonight? What do you think is going to happen tonight? Well, Pat, I just left my white dudes for Harris meeting. Nice. It's been great. We were strategizing. We all menstruated together. It was amazing. By the way, this is actually not a joke. This is true. That's where he just came from. Don't laugh, please. Well, I went to Chicago. We all got our vasectomies. I came back here. I got pregnant. That's right. Which was insane. Yep.

Because I didn't fully believe that dudes get pregnant. Then I got my abortion. Thanks, Kamala. It's amazing what's going on in the Democratic Party today. That was a drive-by at the DNC, right? Yes. That's what I was going to ask. So I wish I were joking that this was actually what was going on in Chicago at the DNC. Yeah, yeah. And I wish that they weren't doing the identity politics thing. But this is unfortunately, as we all know, as a...

registered independent who used to hang out with the Democrats. It's actually a shame to see what the Democratic Party has turned into. Legit,

It from MLK days, from the JFK days, from even RFK, where he has right now, the not focusing on color, focusing on someone's character. They're so hyper focused on gender, on sex, on sex, on race. And it's just so laughable. Yeah. So here they have the DEI candidate going against. This is Trump's seventh time being on the debate stage. This is Kamala's haphazardly first.

So if Trump... Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. I'm speaking. I'm speaking. I'm speaking. I'm speaking. I'm speaking, Adam. But I'm speaking too, Pat.

Excuse him. As if. I'm talking here. Excuse him. Just crack my neck. Yeah. Watching her. So I think Trump, if I could say anything. Do you think she's going to do that tonight? No, she can't. I don't know if she'd like to. She'll get cut off. She's going to give the answer. I just want to see one. Honestly, I want to see one. There's something about it. So here's the issues. Let's go to this here issue-wise. When you're looking at Pew Research on the debate, here's what American people are worried about. When it comes down to the economy.

93, look at the score, 93% of registered voters say which is important to them. They put Trump 93, Harris supporters 68, economy, meaning what's the most important thing to them? Trump supporters, number one is economy, and then Harris are like, nah, it's 68. Healthcare, Harris supporters, they have the higher score, 76, Trump only 55. Supreme Court appointments,

Harris has 73, Trump only 54. By the way, that should be much higher. Because they want to flip it. I know, but Trump's... Listen, that or Trump's supporters should be higher than 54. Foreign policy, Trump 70, Harris foreign policy 54, Trump...

You've got violent crime. Look at Democrats. They're not really too worried about violence. Trump supporters. They're good. Immigration. Look at the supporters. They're like, no, who cares about immigration, guys? Look at Trump, 82. Gun policy, very close. Abortion, 67 Dems, 35 conservatives. Racial and ethnic equality, conservatives are not too worried about it. Left heavily. Climate change, the changing of the climate, you've got Dems, 62, and conservatives, 11. Tom?

Top three issues tonight. What do you think is going to be? Top three issues tonight. So the top three issues tonight have to be immigration, immigration,

And the economy and women's rights. Those are showing up as top three in states. Take a look at Arizona. Arizona, both you saw there was a big difference there for Republicans thought that immigration, 82 percent of them thought it was very important. Only 39 percent of Democrats in Arizona, 78 percent of both of them thought it was important. You want to know why? Why? Because both Democrats and Republicans have.

UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS IN THEIR FRONT YARD AND THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE AND THINGS ARE HAPPENING AROUND THEM AND THEY'RE SEEING THE HUMANITY COME ACROSS.

So that is why Arizona doesn't line up on a national level. But I think those are the three most important, but they vary from state to state in terms of who's going to get the touchdowns and field goals in the Electoral College. But the big ones tonight is going to be immigration, the economy, and women's rights. I believe Kamala Harris will try to make women's rights number one. Trump's going to try to make the economy and immigration number one. I think you're way off. I think Trump's number one focus tonight is going to be cats and ducks.

I think that's what his focus is going to be. By the way, did you guys see the last picture he posted on Instagram? I love it. You're about to have your first presidential debate, okay, with a candidate that's the first one with this one. What does Trump put on his Instagram? He posts this. That's two hours ago, folks. He puts it as if he's on the flight with cats and ducks coming in. Anyways, all right, guys. That's...

That right there is when he earned my vote. With the cats. Hey, to people that are watching this, we're a minute 45 from this getting started. To everyone in Florida that you're down here, South Florida, I want to give you a quick announcement. This Saturday at 12 o'clock, I will be at the Fort Lauderdale Barnes & Noble signing books of Academy that just came out. First fiction book. I'll be signing your next five moves. And I'll be signing Choose Your Enemies Wisely.

Come join us. I'm going to be there. Vinny's going to be there. Tom's going to be there. Adam's going to be there. I'll be signing for two hours. First come, first serve. You buy a book. You'll get it signed by me. For Lauderdale, Barnes & Noble, this Saturday at noon. Put it in your calendar. We'll see you there. Having said that, Vinny, final thoughts before we go out and watch this debate. Final thought. How do we get here? It's by God's good grace that Donald Trump didn't get killed that day. Because if Donald Trump...

Think about it. Donald Trump gets shot. Joe Biden is still the president. There's no Kamala. Joe Biden wins by a landslide. Cause who are they going to vote? What are they going to have? Nikki Haley, whatever. So then, uh, then the, guess what? They invoked the 25th amendment. He steps down and she wins. And from everything from 2016, from a Russian collusion, fake news, Obama spying, impeachments, uh,

Social media, taking them off Twitter, everything. Look at what this guy has fought to to get to right here. I think if he stays cool, collected, just stays on point. Adam, we talked about this too. He doesn't get personal, whatever. Stick to what you've done. You have a case study of him. She has absolutely nothing. And Trump's going to win in a landslide, period. End of story. Yep. There you go. The angry patriots.

Perspective, what's going to happen? Rob, how close are we to this thing going? 20 seconds left. Amy, what do you think? I think that regardless, unless there is some colossal failure on Kamala's side, the Dems are still going to say that she won. But anybody who's rational, logical, and actually makes their decisions based on data, on policy, they're going to see the truth that we all know going into this thing that Donald Trump is going to crush and he's going to win this debate. Let's go, baby. Okay.

It's officially live. Let's go ahead and watch the debate. Go ahead, Rob. If you want to flip it. A historic race for president upended just weeks ago. President Biden withdrawing after his last debate. Donald Trump now up against a new opponent. The candidates separated by the smallest of margins, essentially tied in the polls nationally and in the key battlegrounds, including right here in Pennsylvania, all still very much in play. The ABC News presidential debate starts right now.

This is an ABC News special. The most consequential moment of this campaign. Kamala Harris. Together we will... Donald Trump. We will soon be a great nation again. Face to face. Historic. The ABC News presidential debate. Here now, David Muir and Lindsay Davis.

Good evening, I'm David Muir, and thank you for joining us for tonight's ABC News presidential debate. We want to welcome viewers watching on ABC and around the world tonight. Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump are just moments away from taking the stage in this unprecedented race for president.

I'm Lindsay Davis. Tonight's meeting could be the most consequential event of their campaigns with Election Day now less than two months away. For Vice President Kamala Harris, this is her first debate since President Biden withdrew from the race on July 21st. Of course, that decision followed his debate against President Donald Trump in June. Since then, this race has taken on an entirely new dynamic. That brings us to the rules of tonight's debate. 90 minutes with two commercial breaks. No topics or questions have been shared with the campaigns.

The candidates will have two minutes to answer questions and this is the clock. That's what they'll be seeing. Two minutes for rebuttals and one minute for follow-ups, clarifications or responses. Their microphones will only be turned on when it's their turn to speak. No pre-written notes allowed.

There is no audience here tonight in this hall at the National Constitution Center. This is an intimate setting for two candidates who have never met. President Trump won the coin toss. He chose to deliver the final closing statement of the evening. Vice President Harris selected the podium to the right. So let's now welcome the candidates to the stage. Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump.

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He didn't rip it off. Welcome to you both. It's wonderful to have you. It's an honor. I think that's the first time we've actually met. Good evening. We are looking forward to a spirited and thoughtful debate. So let's get started. I want to begin tonight with the issue that voters repeatedly say is their number one issue, and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country. Vice President Harris, you and President Trump were elected four years ago, and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago?

When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago? So I was raised as a middle class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America.

I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing. And the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support.

to raise their children, and I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time, so that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children.

My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually, my mother raised my sister and me, but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy.

My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump's sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month.

Economists have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result for middle class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

President Trump. The question was, first of all, I have no sales tax. That's an incorrect statement. She knows that we're doing tariffs on other countries. Other countries are going to finally, after 75 years, pay us back for all that we've done for the world.

and the tariff will be substantial in some cases. I took in billions and billions of dollars, as you know, from China. In fact, they never took the tariff off because it was so much money they can't. It would totally destroy everything that they've set out to do. They're taking in billions of dollars from China and other places they've left the tariffs on. When I had it, I had tariffs and yet I had no inflation. Look,

We've had a terrible economy because inflation has, which is really known as a country buster. It breaks up countries. We have inflation like very few people have ever seen before. Probably the worst in our nation's history. We were at 21%, but that's being generous because many things are 50, 60, 70, and 80% higher than they were just a few years ago. This has been a disaster for people, for the middle class, but for every class. On top of that, we have inflation.

millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums. And they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied right now by African-Americans and Hispanics and also unions. Unions are going to be affected very soon. And you see what's happening. You see what's happening with towns throughout the United States. You look at Springfield, Ohio. You look at Aurora in Colorado.

They are taking over the towns. They're taking over buildings. They're going in violently. These are the people that she and Biden led into our country, and they're destroying our country. They're dangerous. They're at the highest level of criminality.

And we have to get them out. We have to get them out fast. I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country. I'll do it again and even better. We are going to get to immigration and border security during this debate. But I would like to let Vice President Harris respond on the economy here.

Well, I would love to. Let's talk about what Donald Trump left us. Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression. Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century. Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.

And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess. What we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people. But I'm going to tell you all in this debate tonight, you're going to hear from the same old tired playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances and name calling. What you're going to hear tonight.

President Trump will give you a minute here to respond.

Number one, I have nothing to do, as you know, and as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025. That's out there. I haven't read it. I don't want to read it purposely. I'm not going to read it. This was a group of people that got together. They came up with some ideas, I guess some good, some bad.

But it makes no difference. I have nothing to do. Everybody knows I'm an open book. Everybody knows what I'm going to do. Cut taxes very substantially and create a great economy like I did before. We had the greatest economy. We got hit with a pandemic. And the pandemic was not since 1917 where 100 million people died. Has there been anything like it? We did a phenomenal job with the pandemic.

We handed them over a country where the economy and where the stock market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in. Nobody's ever seen anything like it. We made ventilators for the entire world. We got gowns. We got masks. We did things that nobody thought possible. And people give me credit for rebuilding the military. They give me credit for a lot of things, but not enough credit for the great job we did with the pandemic. But the only jobs they got were bounce back jobs. These were jobs

Bounced back, and it bounced back, and it went to their benefit, but I was the one that created them. They know it, and so does everybody else. Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond.

Donald Trump has no plan for you. And when you look at his economic plan, it's all about tax breaks for the richest people. I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy. And the best economists in our country, if not the world, have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America.

What Goldman Sachs has said is that Donald Trump's plan would make the economy worse. Mine would strengthen the economy. What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan

would actually explode the deficit. 16 Nobel laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession. You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues. And I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you.

That's just a sound bite. They gave her that to say. Look, I went to the Wharton School of Finance and many of those professors, the top professors, think my plan is a brilliant plan. It's a great plan. It's a plan that's going to bring up our worth, our value as a country. It's going to make people want to be able to go and work and create jobs and create a lot of good, solid money for our country. And just to finish off,

uh she doesn't have a plan she copied biden's plan and it's like four sentences like run spot run four sentences that are just oh we'll try and lower taxes she doesn't have a plan take a look at her plan she doesn't have a plan

Mr. President, I do want to drill down on something you both brought up. The Vice President brought up your tariffs. You responded, and let's drill down on this because your plan is what she calls is essentially a national sales tax. Your proposal calls for tariffs, as you pointed out here, on foreign imports across the board. You recently said that you might double your plan, imposing tariffs up to 20 percent on goods coming into this country. As you know, many economists say that with tariffs at that level, costs are then passed on to the consumer.

Vice President Harris has argued it'll mean higher prices on gas, food, clothing, medication, arguing it costs the typical family nearly $4,000 a year. Do you believe Americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs? They're not going to have higher prices. What's going to have and who's going to have higher prices is China and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years. I charge – I was the only president ever –

China was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars and so were other countries. And, you know, if she doesn't like them, they should have gone out and they should have immediately cut the tariffs. But those tariffs are there three and a half years now under their administration. We are going to take in billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars.

I had no inflation, virtually no inflation. They had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country because I've never seen a worse period of time. People can't go out and buy cereal or bacon or eggs or anything else.

These the people of our country are absolutely dying with what they've done. They've destroyed the economy. And all you have to do is look at a poll. The polls say 80 and 85 and even 90 percent that the Trump economy was great, that their economy was terrible. Vice President Harris, I do want to ask for your response. And you heard what the president said there, because the Biden administration did keep a number of the Trump tariffs in place. So how do you respond?

Well, let's be clear that the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit, one of the highest we've ever seen in the history of America.

He invited trade wars. You want to talk about his deal with China. What he ended up doing is under Donald Trump's presidency, he ended up selling American chips to China to help them improve and modernize their military. Basically sold us out when a policy about China should be in making sure the United States of America wins the competition for the 21st century.

which means focusing on the details of what that requires, focusing on relationships with our allies, focusing on investing in American-based technology so that we win the race on AI, on quantum computing, focusing on what we need to do to support America's workforce so that we don't end up having on the short end of the stick

in terms of workers' rights. But what Donald Trump did, let's talk about this, with COVID, is he actually thanked President Xi for what he did during COVID. Look at his tweet. Thank you, President Xi! With

when we know that Xi was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of COVID? President Trump, I'll let you respond. First of all, they bought their chips from Taiwan. We hardly make chips anymore because of

philosophies like they have and policies like they have. I don't say her because she has no policy. Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window. She's going to my philosophy now. In fact, I was going to send her a MAGA hat. She's going to my philosophy. If she ever got elected, she'd change it.

And it will be the end of our country. She's a Marxist. Everybody knows she's a Marxist. Her father's a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well. But when you look at what she's done to our country, and when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly, where it's, I believe, 21 million people, not the 15 that people say,

and I think it's a lot higher than the 21. That's bigger than New York State pouring in. And just look at what they're doing to our country. They're criminals. Many of these people coming in are criminals. And that's bad for our economy, too. You know, you mentioned before, we'll talk about immigration later. Well, bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy.

They have and she has destroyed our country with policy that's insane, almost policy that you'd say they have to hate our country. President Trump. Thank you, Lindsay.

I want to turn to the issue of abortion. President Trump, you've often touted that you were able to kill Roe v. Wade last year. You said that you were proud to be the most pro-life president in American history. Then last month, you said that your administration would be great for women and their reproductive rights. In your home state of Florida, you surprised many with regard to your six-week abortion ban because you initially had said that it was too short. And you said, quote, I'm going to be voting that we need more

than six weeks. But then the very next day, you reversed course and said you would vote to support the six-week ban. Vice President Harris says that women shouldn't trust you on the issue of abortion because you've changed your position so many times. Therefore, why should they trust you? Well, the reason I'm doing that vote is because the plan is, as you know the vote is,

they have abortion in the ninth month. They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor who's doing an excellent job, but the governor before.

In other words, we'll execute the baby. And that's why I did that, because that predominates. Because they're radical. The Democrats are radical in that. And her vice presidential pick, which I think was a horrible pick, by the way, for our country, because he is really out of it. But her vice presidential pick says...

Abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He also says execution after birth. It's execution, no longer abortion, because the baby is born is okay. And that's not okay with me, hence the vote. But what I did is something for 52 years they've been trying to get Roe v. Wade into the states. And through the genius and heart and strength of

of six Supreme Court justices, we were able to do that. Now, I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. I believe strongly in it. Ronald Reagan did also. 85% of Republicans do. Exceptions. Very important. But we were able to get it, and now states are voting on it. And for the first time, you're going to see... Look, this is an issue that's torn our country apart for 52 years.

Every legal scholar, every Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote. And that's what happened. Now, Ohio, the vote was somewhat liberal. Kansas, the vote was somewhat liberal, much more liberal than people would have thought. But...

But each individual state is voting. It's the vote of the people now. It's not tied up in the federal government. I did a great service in doing it. It took courage to do it. And the Supreme Court had great courage in doing it. And I give tremendous credit to those six justices. There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born. Madam Vice President, I want to get your response to President Trump. Well, as I said, you're going to hear a bunch of lies. And that's not actually a surprising fact.

Let's understand how we got here. Donald Trump hand-selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of Roe v. Wade. And they did exactly as he intended. And now in over 20 states, there are Trump abortion bans, which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide health care. In one state, it provides prison for life.

Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest, which understand what that means. A survivor of a crime, a violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next. That is immoral. And one does not have to abandon their faith.

or deeply held beliefs to agree. The government and Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. I have talked with women around our country. You want to talk about this is what people wanted?

Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term, suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because the health care providers are afraid they might go to jail and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot. She didn't want that. Her husband didn't want that. A 12 or 13 year old survivor of incest being forced to carry a pregnancy to term. They don't want that. And I pledge to you.

When Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of Roe v. Wade as president of the United States, I will proudly sign it into law. But understand, if Donald Trump were to be reelected, he will sign a national abortion ban. Understand, in his Project 2025, there would be a national abortion monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages.

I think the American people believe that certain freedoms, in particular the freedom to make decisions about one's own body...

should not be made by the government. Thank you, Vice President Harris. Well, there she goes again. It's a lie. I'm not signing a ban, and there's no reason to sign a ban because we've gotten what everybody wanted. Democrats, Republicans, and everybody else, and every legal scholar wanted it to be brought back into the states, and the states are voting, and it may take a little time,

But for 52 years, this issue has torn our country apart. And they've wanted it back in the States. And I did something that nobody thought was possible.

The states are now voting. What she says is an absolute lie. And as far as the abortion ban, no, I'm not in favor of abortion ban, but it doesn't matter because this issue has now been taken over by the states. Would you veto a national abortion ban if it came to your desk? Well, I won't have to because, again, two things. Number one, she said she'll go back to Congress. She'll never get the vote. It's impossible for her to get the vote, especially now with the 50-50, essentially 50-50 in both Senate and the House.

She's not going to get the vote. She can't get the vote. She won't even come close to it. So it's just talk. You know what it reminds me of? When they said they're going to get student loans terminated and it ended up being a total catastrophe. The student loans and then her, I think probably her boss, if you call him a boss, he spends all his time on the beach. Her boss went out and said, we'll do it again. We'll do it a different way. And he went out, got rejected again by the Supreme Court. So all these students got...

with this whole thing about this whole idea and how unfair that would have been, part of the reason they lost to the millions and millions of people that had to pay off their student loans. They didn't get it for free. But they were saying it's the same way that they talked about that, that they talk about abortion. But if I could just get a yes or no, because you're running me, J.D. Vance has said that you would veto if you did come to your desk. Well, I didn't discuss it with J.D. In all fairness, J.D. and I

I don't mind if he has a certain view, but I think he was speaking for me, but I really didn't. Look, we don't have to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it. Just like she couldn't get student loans. They couldn't get student loans. They didn't even come close to getting student loans. They taunted young people and a lot of other people that had loans.

they can never get this approved. So it doesn't matter what she says about going to Congress. Wonderful. Let's go to Congress. Do it. But the fact is that for years they wanted to get it out of Congress and out of the federal government. And we did something that everybody said couldn't be done. And now you have a vote of the people on abortion. Vice President Harris, I want to give you your time to respond. But I do want to ask, would you support any restrictions on a woman's right to an abortion? I absolutely support reinstating the protections of Roe v. Wade. And as you understand,

Rightly mentioned, nowhere in America is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for an abortion. That is not happening. It's insulting to the women of America. And understand what has been happening under Donald Trump's abortion bans. Couples who pray and dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments.

What is happening in our country? Working people, working women who are working one or two jobs, who can barely afford childcare as it is, have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers to go and get the healthcare she needs.

Barely can afford to do it. And what you are putting her through is unconscionable. And the people of America have not. The majority of Americans believe in a woman's right to make decisions about her own body. And that is why.

In every state where this issue has been on the ballot, in red and blue states both, the people of America have voted for freedom. Vice President, thank you. Excuse me, I have to respond. Another lie. It's another lie. I have been a leader on IVF, which is fertilization. The IVF, I have been a leader. In fact, when they got a very negative decision on IVF from the Alabama courts,

I saw the people of Alabama and the legislature two days later voted it in. I've been a leader on it. They know that and everybody else knows it. I have been a leader on fertilization, IVF. And the other thing they you should ask, will she allow abortion in the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month? OK, would you do that?

Why don't you ask her that question? Why don't you answer the question, would you veto? Because under Roe v. Wade, you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month, and probably after birth. Just look at the governor, former governor of Virginia. The governor of Virginia said we put the baby aside and then we determine what we want to do with the baby. President Trump.

Thank you. We're going to turn now to immigration and border security. We know it's an issue that's important to Republicans, Democrats, voters across the board in this country. Vice President Harris, you were tasked by President Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from Central America.

We know that illegal border crossings reached a record high in the Biden administration. This past June, President Biden imposed tough new asylum restrictions. We know the numbers since then have dropped significantly. But my question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until six months before the election to act?

And would you have done anything differently from President Biden on this? So I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns, drugs and human beings.

And let me say that the United States Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with a border security bill which I supported. And that bill would have put 1,500 more border agents on the border to help those folks who are working there right now over time trying to do their job.

It would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into the United States. I know there are so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected by the surge of fentanyl in our country. That bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking in guns, drugs and human beings. But you know what happened to that bill?

Donald Trump got on the phone, called up some folks in Congress and said, kill the bill. And you know why? Because he'd prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. And understand, this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who

who engages in solutions, who actually addresses the problems at hand. But what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. And I'll tell you something. He's going to talk about immigration a lot tonight, even when it's not the subject that is being raised. And I'm going to actually do something really unusual. And I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies because it's a really interesting thing to watch.

You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk about windmills cause cancer. And what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom.

And I will tell you, the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you. You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your desires. That is the dumbest thing to say. And I'll tell you, I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first. And I pledge to you that I will. Vice President Harris, thank you. President Trump, on that point, I want to get your response. Why did you try to kill that bill, and successfully so? That would have put thousands of additional agents and officers on the border. First, let me respond to the rallies.

She said people start leaving. People don't go to her rallies. There's no reason to go. There's no reason to go. And paying them to be there and then showing them in a different light. So she can't talk about that. People don't leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. That's because...

This is ABC, by the way. It's not us. This is happening nationally. Rob just told me. We're a failing nation. And it happened three and a half years ago. And what's going on here, you're going to end up in World War III, just to go into another subject.

What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don't want to talk. It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating...

They're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country. And it's a shame as far as rallies are concerned, as far as the reason they go is they like what I say. They want to bring our country back. They want to make America great again. It's very simple phrase. Make America great again.

She's destroying this country. And if she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success. Not only success will end up being Venezuela on steroids. Yes. I just want to clarify here. You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us there had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals there.

within the community. Let me just say here, this is the people on television say my dog was taken and used for food. So maybe he said that and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager. I'm not taking this from television. I'm taking it from the city manager. The dog was eaten by the people that went there. Again, the Springfield city manager says there's no evidence of that. Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond to the rest of what you've heard.

You talk about extreme. Oh, God. You know, this is, I think, one of the reasons why in this election I actually have the endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush, Mitt Romney, and John McCain, including the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congress member Liz Cheney.

And if you want to really know the inside track on who the former president is, if he didn't make it clear already, just ask people who have worked with him. His former chief of staff, a four star general, has said he has contempt for the Constitution of the United States. His former national security adviser has said he is dangerous and unfit.

His former secretary of defense has said the nation, the republic, would never survive another Trump term.

And when we listen to this kind of rhetoric, when the issues that affect the American people are not being addressed, I think the choice is clear in this election. President Trump, I'll give you a quick minute to respond. Thank you. Because when I hear that, see, I'm a different kind of a person. I fired most of those people.

Not so graciously. They did bad things or a bad job. I fired them. They never fired one person. They didn't fire anybody having to do with Afghanistan and the Taliban and the 13 people who were just killed, viciously and violently killed. And I got to know the parents and the family.

They didn't fire. They should have fired all those generals, all those top people, because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations anybody has ever seen. So when somebody does a bad job, I fire him. And you take a guy like Esper. He was no good. I fired him. So he writes a book. Another one writes a book because with me, they can write books with nobody else, can they? But.

They have done such a poor job and they never fire anybody. Look at the economy. Look, look at the inflation. They didn't fire any of their economists. They have the same people. That's a good way not to have books written about you. But just to finish, I got more votes than any Republican in history by far. In fact, I got more votes than any president sitting president in history by far.

Let me continue on immigration. It was what you wanted to talk about earlier. So let's get back to your deportation proposal that the vice president has reacted to as well. President Trump, you call this the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country. You say you would use the National Guard. You say if things get out of control, you'd have no problem using the U.S. military. You also said you would use local police. How would you deport 11 million undocumented immigrants? I know you believe that number is much higher.

Take us through this. What does this look like? Will authorities be going door to door in this country? Yeah, it is much higher because of them. They allowed criminals, many, many millions of criminals. They allowed terrorists. They allowed common street criminals. They allowed people to come in, drug dealers to come into our country. And they're now in the United States.

and told by their countries, like Venezuela, don't ever come back or we're going to kill you. Do you know that crime in Venezuela and crime in countries all over the world is way down? You know why? Because they've taken their criminals off the street and they've given them to her to put into our country. And this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history for them to allow. And I think they probably did it because they think they're going to get votes, but it's not worth it.

because they're destroying the fabric of our country by what they've done. There's never been anything done like this at all. They've destroyed the fabric of our country. Millions of people let in. And all over the world, crime is down.

over the world except here. Crime here is up and through the roof. Despite their fraudulent statements that they made, crime in this country is through the roof. And we have a new form of crime. It's called migrant crime. And it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible. President Trump, as you know, the FBI says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country.

Excuse me, the FBI defrauded. They were defrauding statements. They didn't include the worst cities. They didn't include the cities with the worst crime. It was a fraud. Five times. Five corrections. Just like their number of 818,000 jobs that they said they created turned out to be a fraud. President Trump, thank you. I'll let you respond, Vice President Harris. Well, I think this is so rich, coming from someone who has been prosecuted for...

National security crimes, economic crimes, election interference has been found liable for sexual assault. And his next big court appearance is in November at his own criminal sentencing.

And let's be clear where each person stands on the issue of what is important about respect for the rule of law and respect for law enforcement. The former vice president called for defunding federal law enforcement, 45,000 agents. Get this on the day after he was arraigned on 34 felony counts.

So let's talk about what is important in this race. It is important that we move forward, that we turn the page on this same old tired rhetoric and address the needs of the American people, address what we need to do about the housing shortage, which I have a plan for, address what we must do to support our small businesses, address bringing down the price of groceries.

But frankly, the American people are exhausted with the same old tired playbook. Vice President Harris, thank you. Excuse me. Every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent. Yes. And I'm winning most of them and I will win the rest on appeal. And you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court. I'm winning most of them.

But those are cases. It's called weaponization. Never happened in this country. They weaponized the Justice Department. Every one of those cases was involved with the DOJ from Atlanta and Fawny Willis to the attorney general of New York and the D.A. in New York. Every one of those cases. And then they say, oh, he was he's a criminal. They're the ones that

made them go after me. By the way, Joe Biden was found essentially guilty on the documents case. And what happened in my documents case? They said, oh, that's the toughest of them all. A complete and total victory. Two months ago, it was thrown out.

It's weaponization and they used it and it's never happened in this country. They used it to try and win an election. They have fake cases. President Trump, thank you. A really quick response here, Vice President Harris, on this notion of weaponization of the Justice Department. Well, let's talk about extreme and understand the context in which this election in 2024 is taking place. The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that the former president would essentially be immune to

from any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again. Understand, this is someone who has openly said he would terminate, I'm quoting, terminate the Constitution of the United States. That he would weaponize the Department of Justice against his political enemies. Someone who has openly expressed disdain

for members of our military. Understand what it would mean if Donald Trump were back in the White House with no guardrails, because certainly we know now the court won't stop him. We know J.D. Vance is not going to stop him. It's up to the American people to stop him. Thank you. Lindsey. Vice President Harris, in your last run for president.

This is the one that weaponized, not me. She weaponized. I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. They talk about democracy. I'm a threat to democracy. They're the threat to democracy with a fake Russia, Russia, Russia investigation that went nowhere. We have a lot to get to.

Vice President Harris, in your last run for president, you said you wanted to ban fracking. Now you don't. You wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons. Now your campaign says you don't. You supported decriminalizing border crossings. Now you're taking a harder line. I know you say that your values have not changed. So then why have so many of your policy positions changed?

So my values have not changed, and I'm going to discuss every one of the at least every point that you've made. But in particular, let's talk about fracking because we're here in Pennsylvania. I made that very clear in 2020. I will not ban fracking. I have not banned fracking as vice president United States. And in fact, I was the tie breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which opened new leases for fracking.

My position is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy so we reduce our reliance on foreign oil. We have had the largest increase in domestic oil production in history because of an approach that recognizes that we cannot over-rely on foreign oil. As it relates to my values, let me tell you, I grew up a middle-class kid raised by a hardworking mother.

who worked and saved and was able to buy our first home when I was a teenager. The values I bring to the importance of home ownership, knowing not everybody got handed $400 million on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times.

is a value that I bring to my work to say we are going to work with the private sector and home builders to increase 3 million homes, increase by 3 million homes by the end of my first term. My work that is related to having a friend when I was in high school who was sexually assaulted by her stepfather.

And my focus then on protecting women and children from violent crime is based on a value that is deeply grounded in the importance of standing up for those who are most vulnerable. My work that is about protecting Social Security and Medicare is based on longstanding work that I have done protecting seniors from scams.

My values have not changed. And what is important is that there is a president who actually brings values and a perspective that is about lifting people up and not beating people down and name calling. The true measure of the leader is the leader who actually understands the strength is not in beating people down. It's in lifting people up. I intend to be that president.

President Trump, your first of all, I wasn't given four hundred million dollars. I wish I was. My father was a Brooklyn builder, Brooklyn, Queens, and a great father. And I learned a lot from him. But I was given a fraction of that, a tiny fraction. And I built it into many, many billions of dollars, many, many billions. And when people see it, they are even surprised. So we don't have to talk about that fracking. She's been against it for 12 years.

Defund the police. She's been against that forever. She gave all that stuff up very wrongly, very horribly. And everybody's laughing at it. OK, they're all laughing at it. She gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies like she was big on defund the police in Minnesota. She went out. Wait a minute. I'm talking now. You don't mind, please. Oh, that's not familiar. She went out. She went out.

in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people that burned down Minneapolis, she went out and raised money to get them out of jail. She did things that nobody would ever think of. Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison. This is a radical left liberal that would do this. She wants to confiscate your guns and she will never allow fracking in Pennsylvania.

If she won the election, fracking in Pennsylvania will end on day one. Just to finish one thing so important in my opinion. So I got the oil business going like nobody has ever done before. They took when they took over, they got rid of it, started getting rid of it. And the prices were going up the roof. They immediately let these guys go to where they were.

I would have been five times, four times, five times higher because you're talking about three and a half years ago. They got it up to where I was because they had no choice because the prices of energy were quadrupling and doubling. You saw what happened to gasoline. So they said, let's go back to Trump. But if she won the election the day after that election...

They'll go back to destroying our country and oil will be dead. Fossil fuel will be dead. We'll go back to windmills and we'll go back to solar where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out. You ever see a solar plant? By the way, I'm a big fan of solar, but they take...

400, 500 acres of desert soil. These are not good things for the environment, as she understands. Thank you. Lindsay, thank you. We have an election in just 56 days. And I want to talk about the peaceful transfer of power, which, of course, we all know is a cornerstone of our democracy and the role of a president in a moment of crisis.

Mr. President, on January 6th, you told your supporters to march to the Capitol. You said you would be right there with them. The country and the world saw what played out at the Capitol that day, the officers coming under attack. Aides in the West Wing say you watched it unfold on television off the Oval Office. You did send out tweets, but it was more than two hours before you sent out that video message telling your supporters to go home. Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?

You just said a thing that isn't covered peacefully and patriotically. I said during my speech, not later on. Peacefully and patriotically. And nobody on the other side was killed. Ashley Babbitt was shot by an out of control police officer that should have never, ever shot her. It's a disgrace. But we didn't do this group of people that have been treated so badly. I asked

What about all the people that are pouring into our country and killing people that she allowed to pour in? She was the border czar, remember that. She was the border czar. She doesn't want to be called the border czar because she's embarrassed by the border. In fact, she said at the beginning, oh, I'm surprised you're not talking about the border yet. That's because she knows what a bad job they've done.

What about those people? What are they going to be prosecuted? When are these people from countries all over the world, not just South America, they're coming in from all over the world, David, all over the world, and crime rates are down all over the world because of it. But let me just ask you...

When are those people going to be prosecuted? When are the people that burned down Minneapolis going to be prosecuted or in Seattle? They went into Seattle. They took over a big percentage of the city of Seattle. When are those people going to be prosecuted? But let me just ask you might ask her that question. You were the president. You were watching it unfold on television. It's a very simple question as we move forward toward another election. Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?

Yes, sir. I had nothing to do with that other than they asked me to make a speech. I showed up for a speech. I said, I think it's going to be big. I went to Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington, D.C. And the mayor put it back in writing, as you know.

I said, you know, this is going to be a very big rally or whatever you want to call it. And again, it wasn't done by me. It was done by others. I said, I'd like to give you 10,000 National Guard or soldiers. They rejected me. Nancy Pelosi rejected me. It was just two weeks ago. Her daughter has a tape of her saying she is fully responsible for what happened. They want to get rid of that tape.

It would have never happened if Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington did their jobs. I wasn't responsible for security. Nancy Pelosi was responsible. She didn't do her job. The question was about you as president, not about former Speaker Pelosi. But I do want Vice President Harris to respond here. I was at the Capitol on January 6th. I was the vice president-elect. I was also an acting senator. I was there. And on that day, the president of the United States incited a violent mob.

to attack our nation's capital, to desecrate our nation's capital. On that day, 140 law enforcement officers were injured and some died. No, they didn't. And understand, the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason. But this is not an isolated situation. Let's remember Charlottesville, where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches.

Oh, they know that she's about to lie. So they're pausing it. Come on. Come on. This is going on on ABC. This is ABC. That when it came to the Proud Boys, a militia, the president said, the former president said, stand back and stand by. So for everyone watching who remembers what January 6th was, I say we don't have to go back. Let's not go back. We're not going back. It's time to turn the page.

And if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in our campaign for you to stand for country, to stand for our democracy, to stand for rule of law and to end the chaos.

And to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy because you don't like the outcome. And be clear on that point. Donald Trump, the candidate, has said in this election there will be a bloodbath. Oh, God. If this and the outcome of this election is not to his liking.

Let's turn the page on this. Let's not go back. Let's chart a course for the future and not go backwards to the past. Let me just follow up here.

It was a different term, and it was a term that related to energy because they have destroyed our energy business. That was where bloodbath was. Also, on Charlottesville, that story has been, as you would say, debunked. Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, Jesse, all of these people, they covered it. If they go an extra sentence, they will see it was perfect. It was debunked in almost every newspaper.

But they still bring it up, just like they bring 2025 up. They bring all of this stuff up. I ask you this. You talk about the Capitol. Why are we allowing these millions of people to come through on the southern border? How come she's not doing anything? And I'll tell you what I would do, and I would be very proud to do it. I would say we would both leave this debate right now. I'd like to see her go down.

to Washington, D.C. during this debate because we're wasting a lot of time. Go down to because she's been so bad. It's so ridiculous. Go down to Washington, D.C. and let her sign a bill to close up the border because they have the right to do it. They don't need bills. They have the right to do the president of the United States. You'll get him out of bed. You'll wake him up. You say, come on, come on down to the office. Let's sign a bill.

If he signs a bill that the border is closed, all he has to do is say it to the border patrol, who are phenomenal. If they do that, the border is closed. Those people are killing many people, unlike J6. We talked immigration here tonight. I do want to focus on this next issue to both of you, because it really brings us this into focus. Truth.

in these times that we're living in. Mr. President, for three and a half years after you lost the 2020 election, you repeatedly falsely claimed that you won, many times saying you won in a landslide. In the past couple of weeks leading up to this debate, you have said, quote, you lost by a whisker, that you, quote, didn't quite make it, that you came up a little bit short.

I said that. Are you now acknowledging that you lost in 2020? No, I don't acknowledge that at all. I said that sarcastically. You know that. We said, oh, we lost by a whisker. That was said sarcastically. Look, there's so much proof. All you have to do is look at it. And they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval. I got almost 75 million votes, the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten. I was told if I got 63, which was what I got. Oh, come on. Her face is so funny.

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And we have to have good elections. Our elections are bad. And a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, they're trying to get them to vote. They can't even speak English. They don't even know what country they're in practically. And these people are trying to get them to vote. And that's why they're allowing them to come into our country. I did watch all of these pieces of video. I didn't detect the sarcasm lost by a whisker. We didn't quite make it.

And we should just point out here as clarification, and you know this, you and your allies, 60 cases in front of many judges, many of them Republicans. No judge looked at it. They said we didn't have standing. That's the other thing. They said we didn't have standing, a technicality. Can you imagine a system where a person in an election doesn't have standing? The president of the United States doesn't have standing. That's how we lost.

if you look at the facts and i'd love to have you do a special on it i'll show you georgia and i'll show you wisconsin and i'll show you pennsylvania and i'll show we have so many facts and statistics but you know what that doesn't matter because we have to solve the problem that we have right now that's old news and the problem

that we have right now is we have a nation in decline and they have put it into decline. We have a nation that is dying, David. Mr. President, thank you. Vice President Harris, you heard the president there tonight. He said he didn't say that, that he lost by a whisker. So he still believes he did not lose the election that was won by President Biden and yourself.

But I do want to ask you about something that's come up in the last couple of days. This was a post from President Trump about this upcoming election just weeks away. He said, when I win, those people who cheated, and then he lists donors, voters, election officials, he says will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long-term prison sentences. One of your campaign's top lawyers responded saying, we won't let Donald Trump intimidate us. We won't let him suppress the vote. Is that what you believe he's trying to do here?

Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people. So let's be clear about that. And clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that. But we cannot afford to have a president of the United States who attempts, as he did in the past, to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election. And I'm going to tell you that I have traveled the world as vice president of the United States.

And world leaders are laughing at Donald Trump. I have talked with military leaders, some of whom worked with you, and they say you're a disgrace. And when you then talk in this way in a presidential debate and deny...

What over and over again are court cases you have lost because you did, in fact, lose that election. It leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right, the temperament or or the ability to not be confused about fact. What? That's deeply troubling. And the American people deserve better.

I'll give you one minute to respond, Mr. President. Let me just say about world leaders. Viktor Orban, one of the most respected men. They call him a strong man. He's a he's a tough person. Smart. Prime Minister of Hungary. They said, why is the whole world blowing up? Three years ago, it wasn't. Why is it blowing up?

He said, because you need Trump back as president. Yes, they were afraid of him. China was afraid. And I don't like to use the word afraid, but I'm just quoting him. China was afraid of him. North Korea was afraid of him. Look at what's going on with North Korea, by the way. He said Russia was afraid of him. I ended the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and Biden put it back on day one. But he ended the XL pipeline.

The XL pipeline in our country, he ended that, but he let the Russians build a pipeline going all over Europe and heading into Germany, the biggest pipeline in the world. Look, Viktor Orban...

said it. He said the most respected, most feared person is Donald Trump. We had no problems when Trump was president. But when this weak, pathetic man that you saw at a debate just a few months ago, that if he weren't in that debate, he'd be running instead of her. She got no votes. He got 14 million votes. What you did, you talk about a threat to democracy. He got 14 million votes and they threw him out of office.

And you know what? I'll give you a little secret. He hates her. He gets 14 million votes. They threw him out. So do we. Zero votes. And when she ran, she was the first one to leave because she failed. And now she's running. I don't understand it, but I'm OK with it because your time is up. I think we're going to do very well. We've got a lot more to get.

Turning now to the Israel-Hamas war and the hostages who are still being held, Americans among them. Vice President Harris, in December, you said, quote, Israel has a right to defend itself. But you added, quote, it matters how, saying international humanitarian law must be respected. Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians.

You said that nine months ago. Now, an estimated 40,000 Palestinians are dead. Nearly 100 hostages remain. Just last week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said there's not a deal in the making. President Biden has not been able to break through the stalemate. How would you do it? Well, let's understand how we got here. On October 7, Hamas, a terrorist organization,

slaughtered 1,200 Israelis, many of them young people who were simply attending a concert. Women were horribly raped. And so absolutely, I said then, I say now, Israel has a right to defend itself. We would. And how it does so matters because it is also true far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed, children, mothers. What we know is that this war must end.

It must end immediately. And the way it will end is we need a ceasefire deal and we need the hostages out. And so we will continue to work around the clock on that. Work around the clock also understanding that we must chart a course for a two-state solution.

And in that solution, there must be security for the Israeli people and Israel and an equal measure for the Palestinians. But the one thing I will assure you always, I will always give Israel the ability to defend itself, in particular as it relates to Iran and any threat that Iran and its proxies pose to Israel. But we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza, where the Palestinians...

have security, self-determination, and the dignity they so rightly deserve. President Trump, how would you negotiate with Netanyahu and also Hamas in order to get the hostages out and prevent the killing of more innocent civilians in Gaza? If I were president, it would have never started. If I were president, Russia would have never, ever—I know Putin very well—he would have never—and there was no threat of it either, by the way, for four years—

have gone into Ukraine and killed millions of people when you add it up. Far worse than people understand what's going on over there. But when she mentions about Israel, all of a sudden, she hates Israel. She wouldn't even meet with Netanyahu when he went to Congress to make a very important speech. She refused to be there because she was at a sorority party of hers. She wanted to go to the sorority party. Yep.

She hates Israel. If she's president, I believe that Israel will not exist within two years from now. And I've been pretty good at predictions, and I hope I'm wrong about that one. She hates Israel. At the same time, in her own way, she hates the Arab population because the whole place is going to get blown up. Arabs, Jewish people, Israel. Israel will be gone forever.

It would have never happened. Iran was broke under Donald Trump. Now Iran has $300 billion because they took off all the sanctions that I had. Iran had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah or any of the 28 different...

spheres of terror, and they are spheres of terror, horrible terror. They had no money. It was a big story, and you know it. You covered it very well, actually. They had no money for terror. They were broke. Now they're a rich nation, and now what they're doing is they're spreading that money around.

Look at what's happening with the Houthis and Yemen. Look at what's going on in the Middle East. This would have never happened. I will get that settled and fast, and I'll get the war with Ukraine and Russia ended immediately.

If I'm president-elect, I'll get it done before even becoming president. Vice President Harris, he says you hate Israel. That's absolutely not true. I have my entire career and life supported Israel and the Israeli people. He knows that. He's trying to, again, divide and distract from the reality, which is it is very well known that

that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on national security and foreign policy. It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one, according to himself. It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine. It is well known that he said when Russia went into Ukraine, it was brilliant.

It is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim Jong-un. And it is absolutely well known that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because they're so clear. They can manipulate you with flattery and favors. And that is why.

So many military leaders who you have worked with have told me you are a disgrace. That is why we understand that we have to have a president who is not consistently weak and wrong on national security, including the importance of upholding and respecting in highest regard our military. Vice President Harris, thank you.

And she's the one that caused it. That's weak on national security by allowing every nation last month for the year, 168 different countries sending people into our country. Their crime rates are way down. Putin endorsed her last week. Yes. Said, I hope she wins. And I think he meant it.

because what he's gotten away with is absolutely incredible. It wouldn't have happened with me. The leaders of other countries think that they're weak and incompetent, and they are. They're grossly incompetent. And I just ask one question. Why does Biden go in and kill the Keystone pipeline and approve the single biggest deal that Russia's ever made, Nord Stream 2, the biggest pipeline anywhere in the world going to Germany and all over Europe?

because they're weak and they're ineffective. And Biden, by the way, gets paid a lot of money. Thank you. We have a lot of issues to get to. We'll be right back with much more of this historic ABC News presidential debate from the National Constitution Center right here in Philadelphia. By the way, I did a poll on Twitter. I did a poll on Twitter right before it got started. You can pull up Twitter, Rob, and you can mute the TV. Yeah, if you can go. Here's a poll I ran right before it started. How many times will ABC moderators interrupt Correct Trump tonight?

to help Kamala. I said 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, to 6, 7. A lot of people commented. They said it's going to be 0. No one's going to say anything. He's been interrupted now eight times so far. Eight times so far. Tom, how do you think he's doing? How do you think she's doing? She's doing better than I thought. She's memorized the responses. She's doing okay answering questions. She's not the word salad I thought she would be on some of this stuff.

He says, but I think Trump is doing a very noble job making the point, and they are deliberately poking him. Everything that she's saying, like about Project 25 and things like this, she's deliberately throwing lies at him because the strategy here is to piss him off and to get him really irrationally angry. But he's coming back, and he's staying within himself, and I think his response is –

have been very, very strong as far as that. And she's just she is repeating lies. I went down this and I'm really shocked at the level of lies that have been repeated. And I'm not saying this from a partisan point of view. I'm just going down here and looking at the things Charlottesville, things that have been debunked. They're bringing them back up in front of the American people as is the fact she's gaslighting in the middle of her of her answers, trying to piss him off. And he's not biting at him.

Well, look, let's not get it twisted. They're debating for the most powerful job on earth. And you're going to use every trick, every line, every talking point that you possibly can. I've been sort of scoring this like a boxing match. I have Trump on the different...

topics. They went economy, tariffs, abortion, immigration, fracking, January 6th, 2020 election and Israel, Gaza. I have Trump up 6-2 right now. Of course, she's winning on abortion. This is all they got, y'all. They got abortion. And if it's the election comes down to abortion is the number one issue, then welcome to the

Presidents of the United States, Kamala Harris. Ridiculous. Anything else, it's Trump. I mean, she's obviously, like Tom said, she's had how many weeks to practice and memorize all the talking points? I wouldn't be shocked if she knew ahead what the hell's been going on. He's debating three people right now. He's not debating one person. He's debating them. I hope the people aren't dumb enough. Pat, you know this. What she's saying, the bloodbath, the this, the lying, the January 6th, the...

People at home, they're not fact-checking. Average Americans that are sitting there, not like us, the awake people, they're like, wow, he said this? He said that? I still don't think it's enough to get the average person to flip on Trump. I still think he's kicking butt.

Well, it's interesting to see that pretty much the entire line of questioning is all favoring Kamala, right? But I will give them credit for the one point where they asked her about flip-flopping on some of her policies. At least they did that. But were you guys satisfied with that response? Personally, I don't feel unburdened by what has been. I don't know about the rest of you. I definitely don't feel like I'm burdened by what has been. I think she's doing, you know, like Tom said,

Better than most of us expected. At least it's not a word salad. But when you look into the substance of what's being said, Donald Trump is winning by miles. Miles. How do you get it scored right now? Oh, no, no. I'm breaking on my tweet. You know, every time there's debates, I write a long-ass tweet that's going to go out. Yeah, I mean, I'm watching his highlights, her highlights.

She did the abortion thing so eloquently. She was so good. She looked at the camera. She looked at him. If you guys notice, this is where Trump's looking. Not one time has she gone like this. This is how she is the entire time. He's like this. One of the most basic things to be thinking about for those that... Does anybody get headaches when you hear weird voices? Who gets headaches? I swear to God, if we have to listen to that voice for four years...

of her speaking the way she speaks like she's lecturing you the entire time you know how you have an aunt or somebody you date that's just lecturing you yeah and you're at dinner and in your mind like she's lecturing you're like dude i mean i've been done with you for two minutes i'm just waiting to get the hell out of you have to have a little bit of fun and we are done you want me to listen to this for four years i can't that voice that sound somebody talking like that it's tough but however um

Trump is not as agitated as I thought he was going to be. I thought he was going to be more when they tried it because she poked a lot. So we'll see what's going to happen. What do we have left, Rob? 20 minutes, 30 minutes?

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Welcome back to this historic ABC News presidential debate tonight. We're going to continue here, and I want to turn to the war in Ukraine. We're now two and a half years into this conflict. Mr. President, it has been the position of the Biden administration that we must defend Ukraine from Russia, from Vladimir Putin, to defend their sovereignty, their democracy, that it's in America's best interest to do so, arguing that if Putin wins, he may be emboldened to move even further into other countries.

You have said you would solve this war in 24 hours. You said so just before the break tonight. How exactly would you do that? And I want to ask you a very simple question tonight. Do you want Ukraine to win this war? I want the war to stop. I want to save lives that are being uselessly, people being killed by the millions. It's the millions. It's so much worse than the numbers that you're getting, which are fake numbers. Look, we're in for $250 billion or more.

because they don't ask Europe, which is a much bigger beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are. They're in for $150 billion less because Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe like I did with NATO. They paid billions and billions, hundreds of billions of dollars when I said either you pay up or we're not going to protect you anymore. So that's maybe one of the reasons they don't like me as much as they like weak people. But...

You take a look at what's happening. We're in for 250 to 275 billion. They're into 100 to 150. They should be forced to equalize. With that being said, I want to get the war settled. I know Zelensky very well and I know Putin very well. I have a good relationship and they respect each

You're president, okay? They respect me. They don't respect Biden. How would you respect him? Why? For what reason? He hasn't even made a phone call in two years to Putin. Hasn't spoken to anybody. They don't even try and get it. That is a war that's dying to be settled. I will get it settled before I even become president. If I win...

When I'm president-elect and what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other, I'll get them together. That war would have never happened. And in fact, when I saw Putin after I left, unfortunately left because our country has gone to hell. But after I left, when I saw him building up soldiers, he did it after I left, left.

I said, oh, he must be negotiating. It must be a good, strong point of negotiation. Well, it wasn't because Biden had no idea how to talk to him. He had no idea how to stop it. And now you have millions of people dead and it's only getting worse. And it could lead to World War Three. Don't kid yourself, David. We're playing with World War Three. And we have a president that we don't even know if he's where is our president?

president. We don't even know if he's a president. And just to clarify here. They threw him out of a campaign like a dog. We don't even know. Is he our president? But we have a president. Mr. President. That doesn't know he's alive. Your time is up. Just to clarify the question.

Do you believe it's in the U.S. best interest for Ukraine to win this war? Yes or no? I think it's the U.S. best interest to get this war finished and just get it done. Negotiate a deal because we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed. I want to take this to Vice President Harris. I want to get your thoughts on support for Ukraine in this moment, but also as commander in chief, if elected, how would you deal with Vladimir Putin? And would it be any different from what we're seeing from President Biden?

Well, first of all, it's important to remind the former president you're not running against Joe Biden. You're running against me. Oh, I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up. And that's not who we are as Americans. Let's understand what happened here.

I actually met with Zelensky a few days before Russia invaded, tried through force to change territorial boundaries, to defy one of the most important international rules and norms, which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity. And I met with President Zelensky. I shared with him American intelligence about how he could defend himself. Days later, I went to NATO's eastern flank, to Poland and Romania.

And through the work that I and others did, we brought 50 countries together to support Ukraine in its righteous defense. And because of our support, because of the air defense, the ammunition, the artillery, the javelins, the Abrams tanks that we have provided, Ukraine stands as an independent and free country. If Donald Trump were president, Putin would be sitting in Kiev right now.

And understand what that would mean, because Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine. Understand why the European allies and our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no longer president and that we understand the importance of the greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is NATO.

and what we have done to preserve the ability of Zelensky and the Ukrainians to fight for their independence. Otherwise, Putin would be sitting in Kyiv with his eyes on the rest of Europe, starting with Poland. And why don't you tell the 800,000 Polish Americans right here in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch?

Vice President Harris, thank you. We've heard from both of you on Ukraine tonight. Afghanistan came up in the last hour. I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier. And please, I'll give you a minute here. Putin would be sitting in Moscow and he wouldn't have lost 300000 men and women, but he would have been sitting in Moscow. Quiet, please. He would have been sitting in Moscow much happier than he is right now.

But eventually, you know, he's got a thing that other people don't have. He's got nuclear weapons. They don't ever talk about that. He's got nuclear weapons. Nobody ever thinks about that. And eventually, maybe he'll use them and maybe he hasn't been that threatening, but...

But he does have that, something we don't even like to talk about. Nobody likes to talk about it. But just so you understand, they sent her to negotiate peace before this war started. Three days later, he went in and he started the war. Because everything they said was weak and stupid. They said the wrong things. That war should have never started. She was the emissary. They sent her in to negotiate with Zelensky and Putin.

And she did. And the war started three days later. And that's the kind of talent we have with her. She's worse than Biden, in my opinion. I think he's the worst president in the history of our country. She goes down as the worst vice president in the history of our country. But let me tell you something. She is a horrible negotiator.

They sent her in to negotiate. As soon as they left, Putin did the invasion. President Trump, thank you. You did bring up something. You said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin. Vice President Harris, have you ever met Vladimir Putin? Can you clarify tonight? Yet again, I said it at the beginning of this debate. You're going to hear a bunch of lies come in. Nine times. And that is another one. When I went to meet with President Zelensky, I've now met with him over five times. The reality is it has been about standing as America always should. Did she answer the question about Putin? No.

As a leader upholding international rules and norms, as a leader who shows strength, understanding that the alliances we have around the world are dependent on our ability to look out for our friends...

and not favor our enemies because you adore strongmen instead of caring about democracy. And that is very much what is at stake here. The president of the United States is commander in chief, and the American people have a right to rely on a president who understands the significance of America's role and responsibility.

In terms of ensuring that there is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles and not sell them for the benefit of personal flattery.

We've talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin. I do want to talk about Afghanistan. It came up in the first hour of this debate. I want to move on to Afghanistan. Trump did the most amazing thing I've ever seen. He got these countries, the 28 countries at the time, to pay up. He said, I've never seen. He's the head of NATO. He said, I've never seen. For years, we were paying almost all of NATO. We were being ripped off by European nations, both on trade and on NATO.

I got them to pay up by saying one of the statements you made before. If you don't pay, we're not gonna protect you. Otherwise we would have never gotten it. He said it was one of the most incredible jobs that he's ever seen done. Thank you. I wanna turn to Afghanistan. It came up in the first hour of the debate and we witnessed a poignant moment today on Capitol Hill honoring the soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. I do wanna ask the vice president, do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?

Well, I will tell you, I agreed with President Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan. Four presidents said they would, and Joe Biden did.

And as a result, America's taxpayers are not paying the $300 million a day we were paying for that endless war. And as of today, there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world the first time this century. But let's understand how we got there.

to where we are. Donald Trump, when he was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine. He calls himself a dealmaker. Even his national security advisor said it was a weak, terrible deal. And here's how it went down.

He bypassed the Afghan government. He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization called the Taliban. The negotiation involved the Taliban getting 5,000 Taliban terrorists released. And get this. No, get this. And the president at the time invited the Taliban to Camp David.

a place of storied significance for us as Americans, a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy, where we invite and receive respected world leaders. And this former president, as president, invited them to Camp David because he does not again appreciate the role and responsibility of

of the president of the United States to be commander in chief with a level of respect. And this gets back to the point of how he has consistently disparaged and demeaned members of our military, fallen soldiers, and the work that we must do to uphold the strength and the respect of the United States of America around the world. Vice President Harris, thank you. President Trump, your response to her saying that you began a negotiation with the Taliban. So, like,

If you take a look at that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers, a lot of them, with snipers. And I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing. That's the fighting force within Afghanistan. They don't bother doing that because, you know, they deal with the wrong people all the time. But I got involved.

And Abdul is the head of the Taliban. He is still the head of the Taliban. And I told Abdul, don't do it anymore. You do it anymore. You're going to have problems. And he said, why do you send me a picture of my house? I said, you're going to have to figure that out, Abdul. And for 18 months, we had nobody killed. We did have an agreement negotiated by Mike Pompeo. It was a very good agreement. The reason it was good, it was...

We were getting out. We would have been out faster than them, but we wouldn't have lost the soldiers. We wouldn't have left many Americans behind. And we wouldn't have left. We wouldn't have left $85 billion worth of brand new, beautiful military equipment behind. And just to finish, they blew it.

The agreement said you have to do this, this, this, this, this. And they didn't do it. They didn't do it. The agreement was terminated by us because they didn't do what they were supposed to do. I want to move on. And these people did the worst withdrawal and, in my opinion, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country. And by the way, that's why Russia attacked Ukraine, because they saw how incompetent she and her boss are.

President Trump, thank you. I want to move on now to race and politics in this country. Mr. President, you recently said of Vice President Harris, quote, I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black. And now she wants to be known as black. I want to ask a bigger picture question here tonight. Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent? I don't and I don't care. I don't care what she is. I don't care.

You make a big deal out of something. I couldn't care less. Whatever she wants to be is OK with me. But those were your words. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, all I can say is I read where she was not black that she put out. And I'll say that. And then I read that she was black and that's OK. Either one was OK with me. That's up to her. That's up to her. Vice President Harris, your thoughts on this?

I think it's, I mean, honestly, I think it's a tragedy that we have someone who wants to be president who has consistently over the course of his career attempted to use race to divide the American people. You know, I do believe that the vast majority of us know that we have so much more in common than what separates us. And we don't want this kind of approach that is just constantly trying to divide us and especially by race. And let's remember that.

how Donald Trump started. He was a land, he owned land, he owned buildings and he was investigated because he refused to rent property to black families. Let's remember this is the same individual who took out a full page ad in the New York Times calling for the execution

of five young black and Latino boys who were innocent, the Central Park Five, took out a full-page ad calling for their execution. This is the same individual who spread birther lies about the first black president of the United States. And I think the American people want better than that, want better than this, want someone who understands, as I do, I travel our country.

We see in each other a friend. We see in each other a neighbor. By the way, when's the last time she asked a question? It's been 40 minutes. We don't want a leader who is constantly trying to have Americans point their fingers at each other. She hasn't asked a question in 40 minutes. ABC probably said something to her. She sounds angry or something. Can we please just have discourse about how we're going to invest in the aspirations and the ambitions and the dreams of the American people?

knowing that regardless of people's color or the language their grandmother speaks, we all have the same dreams and aspirations and want a president who invests in those, not in hate and division. Vice President Harris, thank you. Lindsey. President Trump, this is now your third time. This is the most divisive presidency in the history of our country. There's never been anything like it. They're destroying our country, and they come up with things like what she just said,

Going back many, many years, when a lot of people, including Mayor Bloomberg, agreed with me on the Central Park Five, they admitted, they said, they pled guilty. And I said, well, if they pled guilty, they'd badly hurt a person, killed a person ultimately. And if they pled guilty, then they pled, we're not guilty. But this is a person that has to stretch back years, 40, 50 years ago,

Because there's nothing now. I built one of the greatest economies in the history of the world, and I'm going to build it again. It's going to be bigger, better, and stronger. But they're destroying our economy. They have no idea what a good economy is. Their oil policies, every single policy. And remember this.

She is Biden. You know, she's trying to get away from Biden. I don't know the gentleman. She can't shake her head. She is Biden. It's losing the worst inflation we've ever had. Not shake her head. A horrible economy. She knows that. Because inflation has made it so bad. She has to stay solid. And she can't get away with that. I want to respond to that, though. That's right. That was a Tulsi Gabbard response. Clearly, I am not Joe Biden and I am certainly not Donald Trump.

And what I do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country. One who believes in what is possible. One who brings a sense of optimism about what we can do instead of always disparaging the American people. I believe in what we can do to strengthen our small businesses, which is why I have a plan. Let's talk about our plans and policies.

And let's compare the plans. I have a plan to give startup businesses $50,000 tax deduction to pursue their ambitions, their innovation, their ideas, their hard work. I have a plan, $6,000 for young families for the first year of your child's life to help you in that most critical stage of your child's development. I have a plan that is about...

Allowing people to be able to pursue what has been fleeting in terms of the American dream by offering help with down payment of $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers. That's the kind of conversation, I believe, David, that people really want tonight, as opposed to a conversation that is constantly about belittling and name-calling people.

Let's turn the page. Vice President Harris. Thank you. Let's turn to policy. We have to move on. President Trump. Let's turn to policy, please. She has a plan to defund the police. She has a plan to confiscate everybody's gun. President Trump, we do have to move on to other issues. She has a plan to not allow fracking in Pennsylvania or anywhere else. That's what her plan is for just recently. I just need to respond. President Trump. The former president has said something twice that I need to respond to. I'm sorry. We're going to move on.

President Trump, this is now your third time running for president. You have long vowed to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. You have failed to accomplish that. You now say you're going to keep Obamacare, quote, unless we can do something much better. Correct.

Last month, you said, quote, we're working on it. So tonight, nine years after you first started running, do you have a plan? And can you tell us what it is? Obamacare was lousy health care. Always was. It's not very good today.

And what I said, that if we come up with something and we are working on things, we're going to do it and we're going to replace it. But remember this, I inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it. They wouldn't vote for it. They were unanimous. They wouldn't vote to change it. If they would have done that, we would have had a much better plan than Obamacare. But the Democrats came up. They wouldn't vote for it. I had a choice to make when I was president. Do I save it and make it as good as it can be? Never going to be great.

Or do I let it rot? And I felt I had an obligation, even though politically it would have been good to just let it rot and let it go away. I decided and I told my people, the top people, and they're very good people. I have a lot of good people in this that administration. We read about the bad ones. We had some real bad ones, too. And so do they. They have really bad ones. The difference is they don't get rid of them. But let me just explain. I had a choice to make. Do I save it and make it as good as it can be or do I let it rot? And

and I saved it. I did the right thing. But it's still never going to be great, and it's too expensive for people. And what we will do is we're looking at different plans. If we can come up with a plan that's going to cost our people, our population less money and be better health care than Obamacare, then I would absolutely do it. But until then, I'd run it as good as it can be run. So just a yes or no, you still do not have a plan? I have concepts of a plan.

I'm not president right now, but if we come up with something, I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive. And there are concepts and options we have

to do that, and you'll be hearing about it in the not-too-distant future. Vice President Harris, in 2017, you supported Bernie Sanders' proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government-run health care system. Two years later, you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option. What is your plan today?

Well, first of all, I absolutely support and over the last four years as vice president private health care options. But what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act. But I'll get to that, Lindsay. I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made. I've made very clear my position on fracking and then this business about taking everyone's guns away. Tim Walz and I are both gun owners. We're not taking anybody's guns away. So stop with the continuous lying about this stuff.

As it relates to the Affordable Care Act, understand, just look at the history to know where people stand. When Donald Trump was president, 60 times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. 60 times. I was a senator at the time when I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate. And the late, great John McCain, who you have disparaged...

As being, you don't like him, you said at the time, because he got caught. He was an American hero. The late, great John McCain, I will never forget that night, walked onto the Senate floor and said, no, you don't.

No, you don't. No, you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act. You have no plan. And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions. I don't have to tell the people watching tonight, you remember what that was like? Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a grandparent had diabetes? And thankfully...

As I've been vice president and we over the last four years have strengthened the Affordable Care Act, we have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you, the American people. Donald Trump said he was going to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. He never did. We did.

And now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month. Since I've been vice president, we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year. And when I am president, we will do that for all people, understanding that the value I bring to this is

is that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. And the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, not get rid of it. That's his prologue in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that. I want to move to an issue that's important for a lot of...

But it wasn't only him. It was all of the Democrats that kept it going. And you know what? We can do much better than Obamacare, much less money. But she won't improve private insurance for people, private medical insurance for people.

That's another thing she doesn't want to get. People are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money and they want to have private. She wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait six months for an operation that you need immediately. President Trump, thank you. We have another issue that we'd like to get to that's important for a number of Americans, in particular younger voters, and that's climate change.

President Trump, with regard to the environment, you say that we have to have clean air and clean water. Vice President Harris, you call climate change an existential threat. The question to you both tonight is what would you do to fight climate change? And Vice President Harris, we'll start with you. One minute for you each. Well, the former president had said that climate change is a hoax.

And what we know is that it is very real. You ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences, who now is either being denied home insurance or is being jacked up. You ask anybody who has been the victim of what that means in terms of losing their home, having nowhere to go. We know that we can actually deal with this issue. The young people of America care deeply about this issue.

And I am proud that as vice president over the last four years, we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy while we have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels. We have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been vice president. We have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening up factories around the world. Donald Trump said he was going to create manufacturing jobs. He lost manufacturing jobs.

And I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the United Auto Workers and Sean Fain, who also know that part of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American-made products, American automobiles. It includes...

what we can do around American manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not closing them like happened under Donald Trump. Vice President Harris, thank you. It didn't happen under Donald Trump. Let me just tell you, they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month.

It's going. They're all leaving. They're building big auto plants in Mexico, in many cases owned by China. They're building these massive plants and they think they're going to sell their cars into the United States because of these people.

What they have given to China is unbelievable. But we're not going to let that. We'll put tariffs on those cars so they can't come into our country because they will kill the United Auto Workers and any auto worker, whether it's in Detroit or South Carolina or any other place. What they've done to business and manufacturing in this country is incredible.

horrible. We have nothing because they refuse. You know, Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid him millions of dollars. He's afraid to do it between him and his son. They get all this money from Ukraine. They get all this money from all of these different countries. And then you wonder, why is he so loyal to this one, that one, Ukraine, China?

Why is he? Why did he get $3.5 million from the mayor of Moscow's wife? Why did he get, why did she pay him $3.5 million? This is a crooked administration and they're selling our country down the tubes. President Trump, thank you. Thank you. We'll be right back with closing statements from both of our candidates. An historic night, this ABC News presidential debate from Philadelphia. Okay, this was interesting, Tom. So what's interesting that I've been watching is

Is that she came in tonight. She needed to survive the debate. And I think she's done that. She has not collapsed the way Joe Biden did, but she's not convincing. She's merely and she's I feel like I'm being lectured by my aunt is how I feel. I do not feel warmth. I do not feel I do not feel leadership.

I feel she's doing the best she can with the tools that she has and the way she was coached for this moment. But I'm not feeling leadership saying I trust that leader to go negotiate around the world. I don't trust that leader to go negotiate with Congress. That's not what I'm feeling. And once again, he's getting poked at him, and he is staying short of full fury. And I think he's doing a very good job, you know, responding and reminding us what the truth of what was happening. Vinny, I

If you had to guess, what do you feel that the American people right now are feeling? That's not how I'm looking at it. I'm looking at independence. If I'm thinking independence...

70-30 to have Trump ahead. I don't care about the American people, left or the right. MAGA's not changing, and the progressive left's not changing. The independent 70-30, they're with Trump right now. Okay, and then, Adam, you were talking about the women with the abortion. Yeah, not the men. No, what I'm saying is... They're not doing it, just the women. But what I'm saying is, do you think that that's shifting at all? Are any of those women going to vote for Trump? What are you asking?

I'm like from tonight, from listening to what he's talking about. Where are you going? What are you thinking? I don't know. I'm just thinking, I just feel like the way that she's performing right now, everybody could, everybody tomorrow from the Bill Mars and every, they're going to put her on a pedestal and make her seem like she's the, she's the second coming. She's going to be the savior. I'm telling you right now, that's, I'm getting messages right now. Like, oh my God, our boy's not doing good. Oh my God, he's failing. Like I got four messages in a row saying that Trump is losing the debate. Okay. Adam. Really? I'm dead serious.

I just got another one. You okay? I'm getting texts that Trump is losing. I think there's only one time that Trump kind of lost his cool. And that's what I was sort of saying. Can Trump just keep it cool, bro? You saw it with Biden. I mean, Biden is literally...

This isn't the same fight, though. There's two different fighting styles make fights. Yes. This is a different style of a fight. It's a totally different style of fight. The other one, you don't have to do anything. The other one, the guy was knocked. It's like Tyson fights six seconds. It was over with. This is going. She's going ninth round, tenth round, eleventh round. It's going. There is no knockout yet.

Right. He's not going to knock her out. She's doing okay. This is coming back right here. There was only one time he lost his cool when he's like, you're going to take the guns and you're going to all that kind of stuff like that. You've been more like, chill out, bro. She's a she's a viable opponent, but she's not a viable candidate, if that makes sense.

She's not likable. She's not that smart. She's just doing talking lines. She's a DEI candidate. Respect. I get it. This is what the Democratic Party is at this point. And she could beat Trump. Where I'm at with Trump right now is he is so much more qualified than he was eight years ago. I understand why people, dude, eight years ago, it's crazy. No way, Trump. He knows what he's doing at this point. He's going to have people around him at this point. Are there things that she's doing better at, namely...

The abortion issue and a couple other issues. Yes, she has the Democratic machine behind her. And she also has mainstream media behind her. How many times has the moderators interrupted her? It's Trump against the world at this point. And, you know, she's saying that he's a disgrace and he's saying that she's destroying America.

And the voters and the independents are going to basically determine what's true. But it's been Trump against the world since he announced that he was going to go. And think about it. In 2020, they had a global pandemic that came from China that still has no accountability. And everybody had to vote for home. And Joe Biden did that overnight leap right now. This is what I'm worried about this election is, is the 20 – let's say what the number – the realistic number, 20 million people, Pat. And you said this, that we had a debate with Candace and Chris Cuomo. How many of the states –

20 million people are going to be here. How many of the states that we have that you don't have to show photo ID or any proof of citizenship? 16? Amy, 10 seconds. They're coming back. 10 seconds. I mean, they talk about vibes, joy. You know, she's a candidate of joy. The vibe I'm getting is disingenuous. And we could go through every single point that she made and find where it was disingenuous and where she just used word salad to get out of the segment, basically. Rob, bring us back. Tell us. Show us.

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Amy, if you had any other thoughts. I mean, I took some notes here on some of the things I thought were extremely disingenuous. She talks about the fact that Donald Trump left the economy and the job market in a terrible state, admitted the fact that it was when the pandemic started and literally nobody could work. How is she going to omit that from that very what she thought was an impactful point that she made? But we could go through list by list. There's so many points. Here we go. Let's roll. David Muir and Lindsay Davis. Oh.

Welcome back tonight. The time has come for closing statements and Vice President Harris, we begin with you. So I think you've heard tonight two very different visions for our country. One that is focused on the future and the other that is focused on the past and an attempt to take us backward. But we're not going back. And I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us. And we can chart a new way forward.

And a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people, which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, in what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living.

I believe in what we can do together. That is about sustaining America's standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world. I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do.

I'll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor. I was the DA. I was an attorney general, a United States senator, and now vice president. I've only had one client, the people. And I'll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or a witness, are you a Republican or a Democrat? The only thing I ever asked them, are you okay?

And that's the kind of president we need right now. Someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first. I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people. Vice President Harris, thank you. President Trump?

So she just started by saying she's going to do this, she's going to do that, she's going to do all these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it? She's been there for three and a half years. They've had three and a half years to fix the border. They've had three and a half years to...

create jobs and all the things we talked about. Why hasn't she done it? She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do. But you haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in. You believe in things like we're not going to frack. We're not going to take fossil fuel. We're not going to do it.

Things that are going to make this country strong, whether you like it or not. Germany tried that. And within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants. We're not ready for it. We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision. But I just ask one simple question. Why didn't she do it? We're a failing nation.

We're a nation that's in serious decline. We're being laughed at all over the world, all over the world. They laugh. I know the leaders very well. They're coming to see me. They call me. We're laughed at all over the world. They don't understand what happened to us as a nation. We're not a leader. We don't have any idea what's going on. We have wars going on in the Middle East. We have wars going on.

with Russia and Ukraine. We're going to end up in a third world war and it'll be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban.

She gave it to Afghanistan. What these people have done to our country and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of people to come into our country. Many of them are criminals and they're destroying our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country.

President Trump, thank you. And that is our ABC News presidential debate from here in Philadelphia at the National Constitution Center. I'm Lindsay Davis. And I'm David Muir. Thank you for watching here in the U.S. and all over the world and from all of us here at ABC News. Done? Okay. Now that it's done, Tom, go give your full analysis on what you got.

So my full-depth analysis goes like this. She was very well coached. I don't think we've seen her this way, but I don't think the independents really saw something in her tonight. Mm-hmm.

The independent vote is what's here. This isn't about the 43 or what we look at it. This isn't about the 44 and the 45 that are locked in. It's not about that. This is about the Kennedy voters that have not made up their minds yet. This is about the independent voters that are in the middle.

And I don't think the independent voters are going to be swayed by what they saw if they look at it objectively. She had a lot of emotion going. I think she scored well on the abortion question. She spent more of her time, I think, being defensive in her answers the way she went.

And I think they got him irritated, but he didn't go over the cliff. And I think overall, you know, I scored this thing really close. I scored probably, you know, 65-35, like one-third, two-third is probably how I ended up scoring. That's really close? Yeah.

No, I'm saying that's closer than I thought it was going to be. Oh, wow. So you thought it was going to be a blowout? Your initial thoughts was this was going to be a blowout? Looking at the historical performance in the presence of her, which is all the data we have, and we saw her in California quite a bit, where she would really make a speech, and when she would, it was like, this is our senator? Are you kidding me? Yeah.

That's kind of how I see it. But, you know, tell me, I think a little part of that plays in, though, because of how bad Joe Biden did. Anybody that does anything, even half is what she did, is looking like, oh, my God, they're back. I'm not going to lie. She surprised the hell out of me. She remember whoever was coaching her. It was a low bar. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was freaking. The bar was in the seventh ring of hell when it came to Biden. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it was horrible. But I mean, like, listen.

Is this going to sway the vote? The vote is not until what? November? I don't know. I think, like you said, Tom, the independents, the people in the middle, I hope they really, really see through all the BS. Trump has a proven track record. She's done absolutely nothing. And I know some people are like, well, she hasn't been the president. No, she's sitting right next to the guy. She has say in a lot of things. If the border is her number one job and she failed, I don't trust her to do anything else. Period. Hands down.

So there's a couple of different things like sort of nuance in there. I have some interesting stats. So she mentioned Bernie Sanders. They talk about how she supported the Medicare for all. Did you catch when you guys when she talked about Sean Fain, UAW, United Auto Workers, anyone catch that? This is a full on socialist who basically came out during the strike and was like, yo, I straight up don't believe in the concept of billionaires. You remember that? Now, here you have Trump, who is an avid capitalist.

And who is a billionaire? So there's a fundamental difference. Something that I've learned being around Pat all this time is cut through all the clutter and the personality and really go to policy. And what's going to happen is the following. She's going to implement more Marxist, socialist ideas.

communist like policies. I'm not saying that she's a communist, but she's definitely a collectivist. California, California. We see what's going on there, Gavin Newsom. We see what's going on there, Nancy Pelosi. Like we have eyes. And here you have Trump, whether you like him or not, whether he's too much to deal with or whether he's just exactly what you want.

He believes in the old adage, peace through strength. He's a capitalist and he's going to protect small businesses. The fact that she of all people is like small businesses. Yeah. Nobody's buying that, bro. Who's thinking that she's there for small businesses? I will say again and again and again, she crushed it on the abortion thing. It is a deeply emotional issue. Gentlemen out there who have women in your life, sisters in your life, girlfriends in your life.

Do yourself a favor. Have nice, soothing conversations with the women and say really what is the most important to you and make sure it's democracy in America. It's a little weird. You got a little weird. No, not weird. Not weird at all. You don't have to put on Luther Vandross or Barry White. Are you open to an abortion? Sounded like a script maybe like... But Trump did have the funniest line of the debate. You ready? You have the funniest line? I have a lot of lines. He has a freeze-bid writing. He goes...

This one right here wants to have transgender operations.

to illegal aliens in prison. It's true. Okay? It's true. So I was like, damn, he's hitting illegal aliens, immigration, prison reform, transgender, all in one. Boom. And the government's paying for it. Take that, Kamala. So I got, by the way, very good commentary. Amy, I'll give you the last one. I got a few things I want to share with you guys. Go for it. Yeah, so I'll just go through a couple of the other notes I had so far as disingenuous comments. So did anybody else notice when she was talking about the border bill and talking about how Donald Trump

Trump shut that down specifically. What bipartisan border bill, they call it bipartisan, what conservative actually supports X amount of illegal immigrants still crossing the border? What conservative supports providing, what was it, 100%?

Hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to Ukraine to fund these international wars as well. Again, completely disingenuous when she said that. She brought up comments that Donald Trump made about armed forces, which, number one, cannot be substantiated. While literally less than a week ago, she created an entire media frenzy about his patriotic Arlington visit. Like, this woman is literally so...

hypocritical it's just absolutely beyond me i don't understand and then finally she talks about having a plan she talks about having a plan and yet like adam so clearly stated that plan is inching america in the direction of if not communism definitely socialism okay i come from a country that is it's not socialist but it does have a little bit of a mixed economy and

And I see the way that that affects the mindset of the people. And we do not have a constitution there to protect us from some of the terrifying things that they're bringing upon the Australian people and other Western countries around the world. So thank God for that constitution that we have. But if somebody like Kamala Harris does get elected as the president, she's going to do everything possible to undermine that and to bring these socialist and communist policies to the United States.

Okay, so I got a very good commentary from all of you guys. I got a question for you guys. So let's go through this. Go to 2020 Joe Biden against Trump, okay? Let's take 2020 Joe Biden against Trump, that person, and he debates today's trained Kamala in a primary. There's nobody else on stage. So take every, Corey, Volker off stage. Take everybody off stage. It's this Kamala...

So there is no Elizabeth Warren. There is no Bernie Sanders. It's this Kamala Harris, trained the way she was today, versus the Joe Biden of 2020 in the primary who wins. Oh, I think that would be a lot closer. I think that she would actually beat Biden in that 2020 election. So that's the point. That's the point. Wait a minute. This is a very important point you just made. So if that Biden who beats Trump...

goes against this Kamala, you're saying this Kamala beats that Biden? Based on policy and performance, she'd stand a chance. Let me ask you guys a question. I'm going to ask a question. I want you to make noise. It's pretty tough to make noise for this, but how about we do hands instead of making noise, right? How many guys say that 2020 Biden beats the 2024 Kamala of today's performance? Raise your hand.

Okay, how many of you guys, by the way, look at that. It's not a lot of you. How many of you say tonight's Kamala performance, guys, this is kind of like the 2006 Michael Jordan against, you understand when you're putting players against players. Does Kamala Harris, today's Kamala Harris, does she be 2020 Biden? Put your hands up.

That's formidable. That's the part you have to pay attention to, okay? What just happened there? Now, we don't even have to ask the question, does today's Kamala beat the Trump-Biden debate that just took place, whatever, two months ago? The answer is going to be what? It's not even a question, right? All she had to do was be alive. So let me share with you a couple thoughts that I have. Here's what happened here. So to me, if I can read this tweet, Tom, you're... Rob, I don't know if we can get on this screen. Okay, there you go. So tonight's commentary versus Biden-Trump debate...

Tapper Dana Bash interrupted Trump zero times. I remember I counted exactly how many times, not one time. Tonight, we counted it 11 times. It was a three-to-one debate. Kamala did her best to agitate and try to get under Trump's skin, which, by the way, she did. She did multiple times.

She brought up Project 2025, even though they know and moderator never corrected. She claimed he and he was terminated Constitution moderator, never corrected, misusing bloodbath. Charlottesville J6. He wants to be a dictator on day one. Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment, the worst pandemic. These are very good lines to get under his skin. Very effective. Trump followed through.

to do the same thing. She said they left the tariffs that Trump left on China for three and a half years, meaning you followed my lead. She hates Israel. He said that even though Dems have 71% of Jews are voting for Democrats, just so you know, it's a very small percentage of Jews voting Republican. She doesn't have a plan. It's like four sentences. I was going to send her a MAGA hat.

Her father's a Marxist. He taught her well. These are very good lines. Her vice president pick abortion in the ninth month. Her boss, Tom, can't read it. He spends most of his time at the beach. These are great lines. They didn't fire anyone. That's the most important point for me as an executive. How the hell do you not fire anybody? All this stuff that's happened last four years, you've never fired anybody? That's like the first thing the person should say. That's a good point. You have the toughest job. You don't want to fire anyone. Then it continues.

I'm sorry. I'm talking now. So he did to her what she does. She is Joe Biden. You know, this is crooked, right? And then it goes to her highlight of the evening, abortion topics. I thought she crushed it. The economy. When you listen to her with the economy, honestly, you know what it sounded like? How many guys don't like math? Raise your hand if you can't stand math. Raise your hand if you're not a math person. How many people know what happens when a math person is in a math conversation and math comes up and economy comes up? You're kind of like,

Please don't ask me a question, bro. I swear to God. I'm begging you. Don't. I still don't know what a four. Don't ask me what a four or three B is. 457. Don't ask me unrealized games. Please let's skip this topic. She knew nothing about the economy. Okay. She never. Maybe I thought for that moment when she claimed she smoked weed, she did in the economy class. That's what I thought.

That's what I realized. Maybe she did. I think she was telling the truth then. His highlights, economy, Rob, if you can go a little higher. His track record with no war when he was president. He challenged her to leave the debate stage and go to D.C. to sign a bill to say the border is closed. His downfall, eating dogs. That part, I think his team could have done a better job. I thought I was – and also getting a little bit agitated at the end and trying to oversell thinking he's behind.

showed a little bit of weakness at the end. So biggest marketing mistake of the night to me was Kamala when she said, I invite you to go to one of Trump's rallies. Please leave the rally. People leave the rally early. Trump's marketing team is going to use us. Even Kamala Harris wants you to come to the rallies, right? Even though he doesn't need that.

Trump's marketing team can run with that last observation about the debate. Kamala kept looking at him. He looked straight. He was focused. When they asked about the moderators, when they asked if Kamala has met Putin, they never once followed up on the question. Yeah.

They never once followed. Why do you not follow up on the question? They followed up on Trump three times on a question. Why do people want to know? By the way, what do you think the answer is if she's ever met Putin? If the answer was yes, what does she say within the first second? Of course, she said, I've met. Who does she say? She met five times. I've met Zelensky five times. Five meaning Zelensky five times doesn't equate meeting Putin one time.

Say yes or no. We still don't know the answer to the question. That was a bad thing for moderators. Even though they interrupted Trump consistently, they did better than expected. I thought David Muir, believe it or not, I actually like this guy on the way he did it. I thought he was good. I know a couple of times when Trump wanted to get the minute and they were trying to digress to a different topic or change to a different topic.

David gave him the minute. I like that. He didn't seem like an asshole. That's my read. I liked him. Lindsay Davis asked one of the toughest questions of the night of Kamala. Even though you can tell she does not like Trump, I give her a seven. For whatever reason, it seemed like she was gone for 20 to 30 minutes. I don't know if that was an ABC thing or not, but that was definitely weird. So again, Kamala sounded like a condescending aunt lecturing kids. He sounded like an angry patriot defending his nation. Either way, I think this was a much better debate performance-wise.

than the Biden-Trump for entertainment purposes, for fight, for all this other stuff. I thought it was good. But to go back to it, to go back to it. So somebody may say, well, Pat, the question you're asking about, will the 2020 Biden beat today's Kamala? The answer resounding is what?

No, no, no, no. Hang on, Adam. Will the 2020 Biden beat today's Kamala? All of you said no. No. OK, so then the next question is, is 2024 because because it's it's games, it's opponents, styles, all that stuff. Right. Then it's markets and conditions. Is today's market conditions the same as it was in 2020? Meaning at that time.

Everybody was saying, man, I know what Trump's going to do, but I have no clue what Biden's going to do. Maybe he's going to be nicer. Maybe America's going to be more peaceful. Maybe we're going to have less protesting riots, right? The difference here is,

That is nothing close to 2020, and the argument of whether Biden or Kamala beats who is irrelevant. We have four years almost of Biden and Kamala. That is the biggest difference. And you put four to four, it is not even close. The four to four of results with a resume, you have two people applying for a job, okay? What are some side, Tom, if you're interviewing, we interview hundreds of people per year, right? Yep.

Executive, people that were hiring for $200,000 salaries, $300,000 salaries, $100K, $50K, $80K.

You got two finalists as candidates. Resume, resume. What things do you look for when you're like, nah, this is not for us? What do we look for? I just look at effectiveness and results. Some people's resumes said, I was part of this team, I was part of that team. They have other people turn in resumes. I raised the growth of the company by 6%. I raised profit by 15%. I found 22 new customers. Go like that. If you put them side by side on the economy...

You know, Biden doesn't want the numbers and they have to shade because those are bounce back jobs. Those were bounce back jobs. So if you look Trump on the economy and inflation, inflation, job creation, job creation, the foreign policy where the wars were and what they spent. And you went down by that. You would say. Can I ask you a different question, though, Tom? This is the strongest guy. Let me ask you a different question, by the way, just so everybody knows.

outside of ABC's YouTube channel being live tonight, we're officially the biggest live in the world tonight on YouTube. Just so you guys know that. All right, just so you guys know that.

There is hovering between 145,000 lives watching tonight. Concurrent is what we got right now. Thank you. But by the way, let me go to this. Watch this. Question to the listeners and the viewers and all of you guys sitting here. You ready? Very simple question. You have two employees. Say we are Goldman Sachs. We're about to hire two financial advisors, two bankers. Both bankers have been at Morgan Stanley for four years.

And both bankers, we have very good relationships with the HR and their bosses. We look at the resume of one, Biden, Kamala. We look at the resume of the other one, Trump. All the numbers of performances here.

That is the difference between voting for a president today versus 2020. You actually have all of their performance of what they've done in four years, in their four years of being in office. This one has raised, let's just say, whatever, $1.8 billion. This one's raised $2.1, whatever. This one has had so many write-ups. This one's done this. This person's done this. You can look at every single thing and say,

Yeah, based on resumes and what's happened, this one may be a little bit more, you know, cocky about himself. And this one may be a little bit more like elitist, like when she's coming in because I went to the right schools or whatever. You're going to sit there and say, yeah, based on this, we're hiring this guy. Now, that is assuming independents are going to do their part. That is assuming this goes the way it does. If Trump kind of plays the poised game,

I think he has an edge. If Trump keeps getting upset and agitated the way they were doing him at the end, I think they're going to play up that all over TV, all over news, and they're going to say, oh, he lost control, he lost his emotions. Adam. Yeah, I love the analogy of, like,

If if Trump didn't have those first four years and Biden have these first four years, then we would actually not know. I don't think I think it's the first time that two former presidents are running against each other since like Grover Cleveland in nineteen hundred or something like that. But it's weird because I'm going to go Bill Nye, the science guy here. If you guys ever watch that back in the day and talking about the scientific method method, you have the control.

And you have the variable group. So Trump was the control. He was the guy. He was there 2016 to 2020. And what we basically realized in 2020, we're like, yeah, we do not want this guy anymore. There was a resolute decision from the country basically saying, chaos candidate, we don't need this. The COVID thing cemented that in. And then enters the variable, sleepy Joe Biden. And we're like, all right, let's give this 50-year politician a chance. Maybe...

He can kind of do something here. But what he didn't realize, and these are terms that I never even knew of five plus years ago, the progressive woke left, DEI, leftist, Marxist, intersectional, decolonialization, war on the West agenda took over. And instead of Easter, it's happy transgender day of visibility, y'all. It's like, what just happened here?

And just everyday Americans are sort of waking up. So to use the scientific method here, you had the control, which is Trump, and insert this variable. And at this point, you have to look back and be like,

Yeah, I'll just go take those mean tweets again and just it's fine. I'll take a little chaos. It's all good. Let's strike some fear into some countries that we should probably strike fear into. Let's maybe make NATO pay a little bit. How about we put up that wall that we thought was racist? Turns out it wasn't really that racist. And, you know, women will have the babies and the men will kind of do their job and play their part. And I think of all people.

Trump, of all people, is sort of returning America to traditional Judeo-Christian values. And that is not something you would have thought of Trump in 2016. So that's why I'm with him this time. I mean, I'm going to be with him. I mean, my socks even, I don't know if you guys could see, my socks have the Trump. Okay, my hair. But here's the thing, Pat. Let's not forget, the Democrats...

plan is so far working okay no matter no matter what anybody wants to say let's think about their plan okay they wheeled out joe biden they let him debate and what'd you say earlier pat about the moderators they were they weren't treating him like this they let biden

go. They let him go and make a fool out of himself because they know he was up late. They pushed the debate early. Biden was out there. He got ruined. Okay, then what do they do? They do the little coup. They get him out. They push Kamala in. And now what's he going up against? He's going up against the woman of color. All she's going to do is use race, talk crap, bring up his past. He doesn't really have anything because everything that he's going up against, he's saying it's you, you, you. That wasn't her technically. It's

It's Joe Biden, correct? I think that's what they're going to use. But at the end of the day, after tonight, when's the next polls come out, Tom? The polls will be dropped. Well, that's a complicated answer, but the polls have been taken over the past of the last week. They're not going to want to roll those because those are more moderated. It'll probably take a good, you'll get snap polls in four days. You'll get overnight polls that are week long.

that the news media will pop up, but the real polls will take about eight days. And no more debates, PBD? That's it? I think there's going to be a third debate. I thought she didn't agree to any debates.

Any more debate? I don't know. From what you're saying, once the polls come out, then I would like to see what type of game that they're going to play. Because what if we see the polls and she's... This debate proves that the American people have, you know, have woken up. The independents are going towards Trump. The RFK vote, Tommy, is actually pushing them towards Trump. Then what? I...

Then they're not going to drop the polls, Vinny, exactly like we've seen in recent times. We're not going to see the proper number of polls come out because, again, it's not going to align with this narrative that they want to push. A quick note on what you guys were mentioning. This whole conversation around temperament and Trump's temperament,

really frustrates me, you know, that adage, "Mean tweets, world peace." I think any of us who are logical and actually look into the policy would be down for that any day. But it's so frustrating that we need to cater to people in a way and need to tell Trump to guard his temperament or censor him in a way just to make him more palatable for something that should be so obvious as soon as somebody does just more than two seconds of research.

So what I just really hope comes from this is that those independent voters, the people who would have gone for RFK or anybody else, I just hope that they look point by point into every single question that was asked, look at the policies. They won't do that. They won't do that. That's not a thing. You're living in a logical world. We're not in a – let me just read you this. Okay, this is from New York Post. Trump surges 14 points with independents.

Latinos shift 19 points in Trump's favor. Okay, Rob, if you want to pull this up. Trump's gained momentum among key voters, groups surging 14 points among independents.

leading Harris 49 to 46, still close, and 19 points for Latino voters, leading now 51 to 47, reversing his prior deficits in the demographics. These gains followed RFK Jr.'s endorsement of Trump and Harris' warning post-nomination boost. The poll shows a close national raise.

With Harris edging Trump 49 to 48 in a multi-candidate contest. However, Trump leads on key issues like immigration, economy, Middle East. Harris dominates on abortion, favored by voters seeking change. Voter perception remained divided. With Harris leading Trump by 15 points among women and Trump ahead 12 points with men. So this is...

I don't know. I think here's what's going to happen. So she leaves. When do you think is the next time she's going to do a town hall or a debate or podcast? What do you think she's going to do? Like between now and Election Day, actually, how many interviews, town halls, and podcasts do you think she's going to do, Tom? Between now and November 5th.

I don't think it's zero, but what do you think it is? I think it's zero. I think they're going to keep running her out to these rallies. You think it's going to be to hold a wire on her ears? I'm so busy. I'm so talking to my investors, and I'm talking to all these world leaders around the world.

Look, she did okay tonight, as far as they're concerned. They don't want to screw that up. So why put her in front of the media to get a performance like you've seen in the past? Why put her out to have a word salad that she's done in the past or say something dumb? You're going to run her out at all these rallies and just keep her on the road, doing the rallies like this, avoiding people. She's not going to sit down for an adversary interview. If she does, it's only because they gain confidence tonight that they can prep her to the point that she can get through it.

But I don't think that's the case. If I was managing her and I'm thinking like them, I would be like, hey, we got through tonight. Don't screw this up. What do you think? I think they're going to take that strategy. I think they are. But here's – if you notice, the media, even on the left, lost their cool and their frustration when they're like, she doesn't want to talk to anybody. New York Times is very frustrated. Yeah, so –

I don't know. I don't know. Like when she said, she said, don't go to his rallies. You think he's going to, she's going to do any rallies between now and the end of the year. You think she's going to do any rallies between November 5th is, is the strategy just going to be after here, go on vacation, relax. Don't show your face, do nothing. No, go to the, go to the small rallies and read off the teleprompters, but don't sit for a dynamic adversarial interview with the media and change and change your accent based on the city.

Here's my question. The old, if I can go to Fifth Avenue and shoot someone, I won't lose a vote. What are the chances that Trump could literally do anything to lose someone who's already going to vote for him vote? I don't think that there's a very, like how many guys are actually voting for Trump in this room right here? Okay. All right. And then how many of you are actually going to raise your hand for Kamala and get beat up here? Who's going to? Okay. All right. Yeah, here we go. I don't think Trump's going to lose any MAGA votes. He has it. It's in the bag. What's my point?

He's got to take a different strategy for the last 60 days. Go only talk to women. Go to...

What's the place that does all the abortion places? Planned Parenthood. Go to Planned Parenthood and hug with, like, do something drastically Blue Ocean strategy different. You already have MAGA's vote. Why continue to do the exact same rallies to your actual base? You're preaching to the converted. Go find more people to convert to.

Trump has his base. He's got it. Go find people who are like, I don't know about this guy. Go talk to them. Will he do it? We'll see. What are the chances that Trump's losing your vote? No, absolutely not. Exactly. So why does he need to still talk to you? Go talk to someone else. I said this a couple of days ago, PBD on the unusual suspects. Ask anybody that was on the cast that's here. About 10 minutes ago, Taylor Swift just endorsed Kamala Harris.

That, that right there, that vote, that independent, and it's on our Instagram. I'll just send it to Rob. Taylor Swift said, like many of you, I watched the debate tonight, but I can't response by somebody else. If you haven't already, now is a great time to do your research on the issues at hand and the stances that these candidates take on the topics that matter to you the most. Okay, as a voter, I make sure to watch and read everything I can about the proposed policies and plans of this country.

Recently, I was made aware that the AI of me falsely endorsing Donald Trump presidential one was posted on his site. I really conjured up my fears around AI and the dangers of spreading misinformation. I brought it to the conclusion that I need to be very transparent about my actual plan for this election as a voter. The simplest way to combat misinformation

It's with the truth. I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in 2024 presidential election. I'm voting for Kamala Harris because she fights for the rights and the causes I believe need a warrior to champion them. Now we're talking about that independent, those people in the middle. How many Swifties follow her? How many? Women who?

Finish it. Keep reading. I want to read the whole tweet. Keep going. Here we go. I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader, and I believe we can accomplish so much more in the country if we are led by calm and not chaos. I was so heartened and impressed by your selection of running mate Tim Waltz, who has been standing up for LGBTQ, IVF, and a woman's rights to own her own body for decades. I've now done my research. I've made my choice. Your research is all yours, and your choices you make. I also want to say, especially to my first-time voters...

Remember that in order to vote, you have to be registered. I also find it's much easier to vote early. I'll link where to register and find early voting dates and info in my story. Hold on. With love. Childless cat lady. Taylor Swift. Childless cat lady. What up?

And I told you about the Democrats. What a fantastic tactical move. We were talking about those middle, the people in the middle, those girls, the Swifties. She earlier this year, didn't she say something to go out and register to vote? It was earlier this year. This is a major... But hey, who do you think wrote that? That was planned. It was timed perfect.

The moment the debate was finished, and now this is what I'm talking about, how tactical these people are. What a gangster, gangster move. You want to talk about swaying a vote? How many followers does she have? How many followers? Hold on. 283 million. 283 million. How many do you think are going to go and register to vote right now because Swifty told them to? Well, that's what I'm saying, guys. So they're playing a whole different game. Yeah. That's huge. I mean...

I mean, listen, I honestly I would have kept this for a week out. I would have kept this week out right now. It's what seven weeks out. How many weeks out are we?

Seven weeks out? Seven weeks to go. I would have kept it for a week out, two weeks out. This is pretty big. It doesn't get bigger than that. Who's going to come in to like Kardashian? Who's going to come in and do something? Who are you going to get that is going to have this is their number one draft pick for Hollywood? I actually think it was a stupid move to do it on the exact same day that everyone was talking about. Waste of a card. Yeah, like you want to do that, boom, when nobody's talking about anything else. Everyone's talking about the debate.

No one's talking about this. It's a P.S. It should have been done earlier.

friday or sunday like boom before the weekend after the weekend major story i actually think it was a horrible decision so but but i mean she's saying look at the bottom vote early go do it now and register we can say in a week by the time people register and do all that type of stuff i think it's i think it's a perfect time and leave it up to the democrats to do something like that which is listen they got her she's she's uh she's in the bag it's way too early it is way too early

How many adults what? I mean, by the way, have you seen her concerts? Her concerts are full of dudes. By the way, by the way, by the way, why don't we do this? Let's play the game. Okay, hang on. Let's play that game. I said, how many adults? Let's go through it. 283. How many are in America? For followers? Out of the 283 million followers, how many do you think is in America? 20%? Fine. Let's go. You guys want to do 20%? I would say 40%, 30%. Let's say 30%. Let's say 30%. That's 80 million. Out of the 80 million, how many are under 18 years old? Half? Half.

I don't know, guys. You guys want to say half? Say half. That's 40 million. Of the 40 million above 18 years old, how many were already going to vote for Kamala anyways? The majority of them, yeah. Okay. So of the 40 million that were already going to vote for Kamala, give me a percentage. It's not all of them. What's a percentage?

75%, so there's 10 million left. Of the 10 million that were not going to vote for Kamala, how many are just following them because they're a Trump fan and their kids follow Taylor Swift, so they follow them, they like the music? How many of the 10 million are Trump guys and there's no way they're going to do anything? Half? I think maybe a little bit. Let's say half. What's left? 5 million. Of the 5 million, how many can be swayed to actually get up and go to work and vote and do their thing? How many of the 5 million?

I think it's so much less, guys. I think it's so much. I think it's like 5%, to be honest with you. $250,000. And Pat, if I can add this. Really, that's the number. If you really break down the numbers all the way down to seeing that, put a 10%. $500,000. Okay, cool. And the reality is, Pat, she doesn't need a million or a half a million. She needs...

10,000 in Georgia. That's what I'm saying. 5,000 in Nevada. There's the seven states. By the way, that even makes it worse. That's my point. That even makes it worse and less relevant. So meaning a big name in a battleground state saying something is more valuable than a Taylor Swift. You know what this would have been most important? You know what would have been very strategic if her writer, if the writer would have said,

I'm willing to do whatever specifically if you're in the following states. I'm doing a concert in Georgia and Atlanta. Just these six states. Just these six states. If they really want to get strategic, like look how RFK did it. RFK did what? Kept them on the ballot for 40 states. Took them off the ballot for 10 states. That's super strategic. They wasted this Taylor Swift hit. This was actually very dumb.

It's very dumb the way they did it. They could have done a better job than this. I'm curious on how much they paid her. That's a lot of you got to pay a lot for one. So people got paid 20 million by Pfizer to endorse the vaccine. Of course. Oh, these are our beauties. They're both beauties. But I mean, think about it. So I think Kim Kardashian gets, I want to say, five to 10 million per. What what what is what kind of money are you getting to promote Kamala Harris on the night of the debate right when it's over?

By the way, Rolling Stone, look at this. Trump melts down, lies about migrants, eating cats after Harris trolls him. This is what they're saying. ABC, Taylor Swift. So they're spinning. The spin job is officially here. Says moderator David Mayer.

There's no Trump coverage? Yeah. So anyways, we're going to see. But I think this is early. I thought this was good for America for them to see exactly where people are at. Everybody needs to go do their own due diligence. Amy, you are right. People should go do their own research and kind of see what's going on. Unfortunately, they're not going to be doing that. The closest thing they're going to be doing is the Instagram stories to see exactly what's going on rather than going down through the policy. But...

At the end of the day, Trump's going to get up and work and do his part between now and then. The other side is going to try to play the games. We're going to see who's going to come up winning on November 5th. I will tell you guys one thing. In about a week and a half, I may make an announcement that we may have one of the biggest election night parties in the world.

And I'm just telling you, and I'm talking outside of two parties that people will be hosting, I think we will be hosting the biggest election night with thousands of people being with us. It's contingent one thing being done that won the biggest election

Something crazy happened today. I don't want to say anything. We have to wait about seven days to find out. I will tell you once it's finalized, because that thing needs to be... There's this thing called the John Hancock. Once that thing is finalized and I make the announcement, everyone's going to lose their shit when I tell you what we're doing November 5th. But stay tuned. We're going to have a lot of fun. It's going to be a lot of fun for us. To everybody that joined us, to the millions of people that joined us on the live tonight, you're amazing. Again...

Saturday, Fort Lauderdale, book signing. Come on down. The Academy book, first fiction book I've ever written in my life just officially is being shipped out today. Rob, if you can put the link, if you support our podcast, go place the order, read the book. I've written this book 13 and a half years. It's officially out. Today's the date. Go support us. Go to Amazon, order the book. And I'll be signing books on Saturday, 12 o'clock at Barnes & Noble. God bless everybody. Take care, everyone. Bye-bye, bye-bye.