Trump Picks Kristi Noem, Tom Homan and Lee Zeldin w/ Charlie Kirk & Chris Cuomo | PBD Podcast | Ep. 505
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Okay, it's great to have everybody here. By the way, I have two my favorite people on today. Just so you guys know.

I like both of these guys. I think both of them were very, very important. In the twenty twenty four election that took place, there was plenty of moments with crisp an all over the place.

What is commentary, whether was at the dnc call in everybody out, whether it's call in out the candidates, whether is calling out, whether it's being fair, having a moment with jade advancing trump calls in every way, it's the phone call after assassination attempt. I think Chris was a match in the twenty, twenty four election that took place. IT was great watching you to work that with news nation.

Phenomenal, phenomenal work. You guys that out there, I played you in the group and in on charlie curb, I have a list, and we we are we trying to put this list together. And I need your help to see where you would put this guy because one of our charlie guys got in out.

I'm going to reveal something he loves. I ve never met anybody in my life that loves complimented modern charity charlie, maybe number one in compliment. So your watching is go on twitter or give charlie a compliment.

Say, charlie, we love you. You're amazing. You this, you're that but I made a list and here's what the list was.

The top ten influencers in trump getting elected in twenty twenty four. Okay, I have mosques one, and and from there I don't have a ranking. The only one that I have as one, I think it's musk.

Musk and do what he did. Everybody else I have talker played a very important role with the alliance. I have dana behind closed doors, doing what you to rally.

I have rogan. What he did the last week was monumental for him to get the independent voters. I have tossa.

I have bobbi. I have evac. I have jd vans in a big way.

J, D, played a very important role because I was a doubt myself at first. I like, you have many different options. Why him? And then he won everybody over, including myself.

I was, i'm just been open about IT. I I can't believe how talented and capable here is. Laura trump, I got bearing and I got charlie, and charlie curled to me. I have IT in top ten, but I have you my top five. But I think folks over the next decade, two, three, four, five decades to come, I think Charles is gonna be one of the most top three, sometimes one or two most formative voices in politics for decades to come. And by the way, criticize before, say, stuff, but stick around.

You'll see what this guy is going to be doing and watching his tiktok account going after sitting with kids and chAllenge in them and bring other people and you have in those conversations and then um uh the debates, the conversations you having, what people that want to chAllenge you go to the youth people that want to do that people are waiting for them to come to and change is going to them. Incredible job you've done the last two months. I ve give you compliment last week and I give him on the podcast with all as well. It's great to have have to do both of you guys .

want to part yesterday. Thank you.

It's the first time you guys are meeting, right? So I just want to know guys when before camera, we're acting right now. They were fighting.

They were curse in each other. That was the first time I heard, hardly dropped the f bond two. Chris, i'm like Chris charly, hold back a little bit ball like don't bring out the gangster and you but i'm actually been sarcastic.

But we can have a civil conversation in a debate here today. What we're going through have a lot of issues that I want to cover. Five things you need to know about susi walls, political.

I wanted know more. You guys can educate me, who is shit? What does he done? I know the summer or father, all this self, all the appoint, all the names that's coming up, right?

You know, you got lizards in mark rubio. Lisa is well down. All these home, you know, tom, all these names that are coming out, you know, Stephen Miller, I think, was even announced last night.

I found the mist policy side right up on the policy side. And I want to hear all those things as we go through IT power. Can trump fire power? Power said, i'm not step.

And I, no matter what happens, that's another discussion in the fed, must talk about that female. What happened over there were female, you know, the conversations that females got a report directly to the president, not to some other institution or not other. We'll talk about that as well.

Pentagon officials discussing how to respond of trump issues, controversial orders. A host of one of the pundits on CNN respond to be, I want to play that clip for you Young voters. I want to talk about barren.

I want to talk about the CNN, yes, clashing and a heated debate over transformer a, which was very weird to me. Uh, we'll talk about that. Mark cuban apparently deleted some of his pro cala haris, uh, uh, uh, tweet.

You did a phenomenal show that one night with him with dinner White, what? All those guys. So I want your thoughts on that. Bitcoin, the results.

What's happens to drop not elected oil industry heroes campaign? Some numbers came out about how much they paid beyond how much you paid all these guys. If that's true, that, I mean, again, I want to get your thoughts on that role.

Insane heroes campaign wanted topic restrictions for interview, and then few other things that elon apparently knew way before I was done. And then china issues warning to trump. Anyways, these are all the things I got.

But listen, I wanted to make sure we take a moment to recognize somebody. I think this is very important because even though camera lost, we wanted to take a moment and create some merge on her behalf, because I know what matters to her. Rab, if you, because left right now, it's what what is today, right now it's an november.

Can you give me a date? Rob is a twelve today, right? Thanksgivings around the corner.

Christmas was around the corner. There was a moment that camera was uncomfortable. Same, merry Christmas. He wanted to say, happy holidays, right?

Can you play this school going to play for audience? And when we are singing happy tunes and sing merry Christmas and wish each other merry Christmas, these children are not gna have a merry Christmas. How dare we speak merry Christmas? How dare we? Okay, you can place right there.

So guess what I want to say merry Christmas is Christmas very simple. And if you are confident enough to say IT as well, we had a very deep discussion because not everybody that works Christmas a listen guys, we want to create merge that's very bold. That says merry Christmas.

What maybe some scripture in IT? Let's see if we have an audience for pan. I don't know.

It's a good idea all the time. So what I stand for, you want to great. You don't want that I told get IT.

But if you're watching this and you want to get a merry Christmas, had you go to starbuck and got the sun, I just want to see the reaction. He's smile. You go to work. You've got a merry Christmas.

You've got to take that hat off, right? You you want to another hat here. You want some of the ugly sweaters that we have, you wrap.

Can you show some of the stuff that we got here? You want to get some of the stuff for your kids shirt. Future looks bright. Merry Christmas gear is officially here. And if you're bold enough to do IT and order IT, and again, you place any orders of this, we going to put some future looks bright ornaments in the order for you, limited addition custom that we have for the first hundred that place the order.

If you're bowled enough and you're comfortable going out, they're telling people merry Christmas and your value tiner that believes the future looks bright, go place in order and let's make some people uncomfortable or comfortable this Christmas with saying merry Christmas. Having said that, let's get right into IT charly about we can go to vt MERS to place the order i'm coming to first it's the night everyone's don't alive. You call in a secrets where you at I think it's over rasmuson michell calls in.

I think it's over right? The moment that you know IT was over, there's a clip of you, right? And if you want to play this clip, rob, on what happened here, I see this clip.

I loved IT because it's so organic and you don't want to do IT, but it's just happening and and your team cot IT rock can play this clip of a charlie react into the results news decides. Donal, truth is present in the united states. We've got a republic back, folks.

Let's go.

Everybody should remember this moment. I'm i'm an echo, charlie merlier. Remember where you were when this happened? Remember where you were when you realize that the united party and all of these, you just the establishment, you said it's time to actually participate and look what you guys have done.

And if anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes, it's charly. I think we all I think.

Every is something going .

to hear some words here from chari you put all .

this together.

my man and I am just humble like that.

It's all that. 这个 got one， got one.

What's going through your man? Yeah, well, from from january twenty twenty one to that moment, we we dedicated our entire life to get down on from back to the White house and want to people who remember the context of that. Those after january six, Donald m is basically in political exile.

And we we dug out of what would be the greatest political hole in modern american history. And especially this lashed you and a half. Everything was just coming through me from not just how hard the president work, but how hard we work.

We travel the country, non stop dancing, my family, the events in every corner. President was facing seven hundred years in federal prison. They tried to take his business empire away from him. And then, of course, you got shot, nearly shot again at the golf course.

And there was this kind of feeling as like, is this possible? Are we going to do this? And you know, going into election night, we're most built in with kind of this paranoia that there's there's no way this is actually going to materialize.

And I believe that was a god thing. I believe that it's god shining, is Grace on this great country and is just, just overwhelmed in that moment. Still, I still really hasn't set in, to be honest.

just to the average person that's watching this. We know some of the stories that i've come out from the moment I was announced that his one what events have taken place the last few days, i'm talking kara mos, what events have just in the first week, it's incredible.

And by the way, i'm i've been at maroo go helping with some of the transition stuff to which i'm sure will get into but I mean, just just number one, a care of aneas ari broke itself up coming to on the U. S.

South thern border katari has told him as you no longer welcome in the as kind of a vacation spot for terrorist top bed, the eupeptic on has announced that they are now going to buy LNG liquified natural gas from america, not from russia any longer. We're also seeing an an attempt at least of conversation and the russian ukrainian war. We've seen bitcoin hit an all time high, eighty seven thousand dollars.

The market has a huge surge, a largely just based on the confidence. I think it's also hit an all time high largely based on trumps Victory. And this is all just not these things are signals are affects based on signals of the president basically saying i'm coming back and were going to fix this thing and we're not going to allow business as usual to continue.

So combo for you, for you. I know we've been talking for you know the year two years regularly. Hey, what do you think about this? Anything about that going in? At what point were you like? This is over.

This guy is going to be winning. Well, look, we have the benefit of decision desk H. Q. You know, that is a very formidable tool. The differentiator in the media was not the basis of information for making the call.

I think IT was about preference for nobody's in a rush to call an election pt, because there's very little website of being first. For instance, in the clip charlies listening there, the group is listening and they say fox news, we call the first, but he's listening to fox. So when fox says that what there's not a real big upside to being first, what's relevant to me, you just don't want to be wrong.

okay. That's that's why guys, when the momentum was hit you during your event, which is amazing, by the way, and I love that I came off as successfully as I did IT was a really important thing. We need more of those.

Um they said to slow down but you're like hope how much of the vote is still out slow down. There's no reason for us to be wrong. So that's usually the guiding.

That said, I believe outlets waited to call the race because they didn't want from to win and news nation didn't have a preference. So we just wanted IT to be right. And I did have a special interest in IT being over.

I think a fair of praiser is I wasn't worried about what would happen if trump one in terms of how the democrats would react. I was worried about how trump would react. I was worried that there were a lot of people whose over the polls were so close. And i'm sure that there's a chance that he would have said something provocative. And then who knows where we would have got?

Did you expect that to be the lengths light that?

no. And I love that. Now everybody's explaining why IT happened, how IT it's so easy after the fact.

Look, the polls warrant .

wildly off. He just won by a small margin in a lot of areas, and SHE under performed. The reason trump one was because the demos, you know, other than the themes and all the stuff that we can talk about, the ideas behind the motivation, the democrats underperformed.

Now they'll argue with me. No, we didn't because trumpy of one, but we won the senate race and we won all this well, look, you lost the senate. You lost the house.

You lost the White house. That's under performing. okay. Anyway, you want to look at IT. So I didn't know.

I had said four months, I believe that was mps race to lose. And I worried IT that way on purpose because IT was a grieve in selection. It's about how people felt about their pocket books and overlays of how they felt about cultural norms.

So in that environment, it's harder for an incumbent. And he was a compromised in combat. Now I said I was his to lose, not trumps gonna win, not because I was sitting on the fence, because trump is such a polar arii zing figure that he could have overwhelmed the momentum of the movement behind him, but he didn't anyone. So I wasn't surprised. I mean.

for you, as a big trump supporter yourself, where are you happy with the result?

I was happy that there was a definitive quick result. I am not a fan.

We would we be surprised.

yeah.

if we know who you voted for? Would we be surprised if we could see who you voted for?

Would probably shouldn't tell you. But I can tell you who I voted for. You wanted know? Yeah, I voted for my brother. I wrote a men.

Are you joking? No, hundred percent, hundred percent.

I'll show you the picture will verify. Al, are you joking? No, no, not joking. He didn't want. By the way.

did you really vote for? Show you, show you know who your brother vote IT for. He said that as well. Get add of here.

Can I show this? Uh, can I show? No, I think you might have been illegal that I took a little picture.

Paul, what I was happy was ended and that IT was definitive.

But why you vote for? Why don't you vote for calla? Sten brother voted for calla.

He's democrat, so he does what he does. My feeling is this, amErica can do Better than these two can.

Does he know you voted for him? You told him, yeah, what did you say to you? You waste revote that he say .

something like that or now now he just saying was like, again.

that's the new york who cares like doesn't matter was a kind .

of like that or I yeah no, he just was second. Ah he had he had the things you want to talk about. But look, the the point for me is i'm not a trump fan, okay um and i'm not a democrat um I think this country can do Better.

I think that the the movement behind trump is very real yeah it's been disrespected and I think that's problematic for america. I just think we can do Better. I don't falt charly for campaigning and believing in trump.

I don't. I think it's very healthy for the democracy. Um I don't have problems with people who see him as a problem and wanted somebody else.

I get IT. I get IT to me. I just believe the choices are beneath the standard of american leering. I think we have way Better people to be.

Let me, let me ask a question for charity for you. You've been in this sport for a while. The sport of politics and and IT is a sport, let's face IT. It's very competitive and sometimes is the way to compete is not a touched down at its events, right? How have you for somebody that's been in the space of viewed the evolution, he may not say this, but from the viewer side from coamo, ten years ago, eight years ago, six years ago, four years ago.

two years ago, today. why? I think it's awesome. I mean, I don't really care what Christmas as politics are. I think that IT takes someone who loves truth to go to the dnc and remind the viewers that all those boxes up there were bought by corporate tightens.

I thought that was really good, and I think that I I don't know Chris very well, but IT seems as if Chris has a nt actually do what journalists used to do, increasingly so. And I mean, at this great video that someone sent me, where you explained why trump people were voting for trump and they wanted to higher somebody for a dirty job on paraphrase, but I thought that I was really smart. And look, I don't expect everyone in media to go vote for downal.

Trump actually think it's often needed boot for kala Harris, which is super refreshing because that's like the automatic um entry point right? Yeah but like I don't want to get into Chris cal most career。 There are some things during covet I certainly didn't love, but that is what IT is.

However, Chris, I think it's great that you came out. You talked about the vaccine that I didn't necessarily deliver on its promises. I thought that was. I thought I was. Terry absolutely didn't thank you for doing that because so many people would hold back on that because they're afraid of being called .

all these terrible look, I get that I do believe there are some risks. You know, one of the reasons i'm a big fan of pat, I do. I just love you a guy.

And to me, that's kind of the end of the analysis because just everything else just doesn't matter as much. You know, when you see someone to pat talks about this a lot. I haven't seen you with your wife.

I ve never seen you kids. I haven't seen you with your people. But once I get of a fee for you there, everything else is kind of second there.

You know, it's like, well, no IT can be as weird as like jets, patriots. You know what? I grew up in a place where they were jett fans. So, you know, he just likes to lose. You know, everything becomes secondary.

And what my concern is for what we're doing is I don't believe is any evolution and self any more than just naturally you know now on the ghost of Christmas future for you, you know in your early thirties, i'm in my early fifties. You know this is what happens um to you. You just keep evolving and changing.

My concern is that we become so sensitive to the criticism and the gorgeous it's become such a commodity that what I love about what he's doing a value tainting is that there are a number of people who will tune in charlie curr criswell o thinking that, like, i'm gonna to lift you over my head at some point, you know, and I get that that's a commodity. But I also think it's really toxic to us, because every time they do a poll of real people, we know what they say, seven, eight to ten of them say they share common interests. Where's that? You don't make money off that on social media, but that's what we need to get back to.

Its not fit like there are people blown me up right now. I guarantee IT my phone's probably getting hot. You Normalized charlie kk, you Normalize pet. Well, first of all, who's to say that they're not the Normal ones and they're Normalizing me, right? So and what is wrong with sitting with people and talking about where you agree, where you disagree and why?

By the by the way, this is the part I don't know the folks at news nation you always speak very high level yeah camera on or off the fact that you're talk in vaccine that is also part that he can do IT while you're representing a notation so cuddles to them or maybe you couldn't do with being at a different outlet. Now you may defend them now and say, yeah, I could still do that CNN A I don't know of during that time that would have let that.

You know, news nation is different, okay? The guys who owned IT are much more transparent is a public company is next, and they are much more transparent in terms of how they feel about things. But they do give .

me me more .

leeway with the brand. See, the difference is it's not that you know you don't have to agree, but I was there and IT wasn't that CNN, it's like I had a meeting like this. They told me what to say.

That's not what I was. But the brand was bigger than he was. More an email.

Yeah was email. IT was in the corner. IT was IT was the brand was bigger than you.

So you had to respect the fact that you can come on and say, hey, you know, I had a good time talking to charm curb. We don't agree about some stuff. I don't know, wise some things. He doesn't know what and know that's what I was. It's got q kids that would have been like, you know, you got to be careful because now you're speaking for all of this.

But let me luck I will tell you, I think the day show that you would lose nation with da cuban, all those guys. I think that was successful.

I think I think getting that was the model you I model yeah, I wanted you involved in that. I'm a big booster of yours because I believe that and it's not about what your political aspirations are in the stupid rule that you can be president because you didn't live here.

Mean, if there is one thing that I could change, you know, I might not matter to people, but IT does to me in a nation of immigrants, you know, you can't be one to be president. It's kind of wear, but, but you have an organic following because of what you've achieved in your life. Then you have another level to your following because of what people resonate with a USA person.

Then comes your politics. That is what we need more of. I respect that this guy did IT H I kind of divide with him with how he is.

Oh, and yeah, I think those ideas makes sense. That's what we got to get back to. Now it's inverted, inverted.

But the market is speaking. The market. Rob, can you pull up kirks, uh, tiktok account if you just pull up crooks tiktok account.

very really if you pull .

up his tiktok and I just want to show this talk stories crazy .

and I want .

you to talk about this rock. Just do me favor. Let's go through some of the clipsed. Okay, alright, so ten little a popular.

It's the best way that because this recent.

go to the right gold. Go to the ride OK. So check this out.

Look at this year. Zoom a little bit rock, if you could. Forty, fifty million. Let's be thirty seven. Keep going.

Thirteen a twenty two, six, twenty three keep going and rob is just the least twenty two, twenty one, seven, twenty three, six, twenty, twenty sixteen, four goal law nine, two, eight, five, fourteen, three. Sixty million views on a daily basis. Okay, while you're going through this now, charlie, there's instagram that's a different audience.

There is youtube. Different audience. You got radio. You syndicated, different audience. You got rumble. Different audience x different audience.

Tiktok, when you're in the streets or you go places and people say, I watch your stuff on radio, I watch your stuff. I listen to yourself. I, C, T.

came on the street. Let, let me see a couple of things. I'm tiktok. I'm blown away by this. And we do a lot on social. We do a lot on podcasting and praise god, the podcast to do and really well. So we were trying.

by the way, he's modest. It's a top five podcast on apple and spotify right now while were speaking and right now you look at he's top five apple and top five.

spotify is going to think, thank you yeah and so we've been try to get to tiktok for a while, and tiktok had a censorship regime that was very sensitive to topics that we would discuss on campus. And we kind of just said, forget IT well, is interesting. And I have a whole theory that october seventh, the event that LED to the end of the democrat party, and I could lead IT through four, five different examples.

And I think Chris would actually agree this because is an objective analyze, a partisan one. And the very lead of the october seventh was that you got to talk band. And remember, the tiktok ban stalled based on just china concerns, but tiktok was the the hub of a lot of the anti israel sentiment that was brewing, which N, Z, and then I was in the tiktok and got resurfaced.

Mitt romney said at a security conference, we are banning tiktok because IT is sowing anti israel sentiment in the united states. So tiktok gets banned in our team. We had this idea like, hey, tiktok is in a place where they don't want to get banned with an incoming administration.

Let's send out a tweet saying, hey, guys, let's do one more chance. If you treat us fairly, we will become tiktok like biggest right wing fan, right? And I will tell.

And they reached out and they were great. They said, here are rules. We will transparently enforce them again, they that they're very, very sensitive if you try about trans stuff, if is like incredibly right, even if you do IT diplomatically.

And we said, great. So, uh, again, this is all transparently, all public. There's not like backroom deal. And so we started posting my old college discussions there because i'm been doing this for twelve years where we just have open dialogues and started to get five million view a day, six million views a day and ten million views a day.

And so over the summer, I said, well, what if this election season, I do like twenty five campus stops, and we kind of create these OpenAIr d iscussions a nd t hey m ight g o v iral, specially on tiktok, that could influence a lot of people to view the election the way. Obviously, I want them to view IT. And yeah, look on tiktok alone.

IT was a billion views in ninety days, in spite sixty, eighty million views a day. And that sounds like a number. But all the sudden, here's what was amazing. IT was the most effective way I ever reached the working class in my career, the muscular class janitors, waiters, waitresses, uber drivers, police officers, firefighters, even more so than youtube, ment and instagram. For whatever reason, something about tiktok really reaches people that Donald trump was trying to win ten or fifteen percent more of.

And final thought to make on this is the most diverse audience that I would i'm time of black his panic, asian Young and i'll just tell one story I was in vegas about to speak and there were a bunch of waiters and waitress is coming up asking for pictures all his panic, all asian american pacific islander er that saw me on tiktok and they're like, thank you. You connect the dots, I think. And this is a form of entertainment, what we do on tiktok because its ideas that are kind of colliding.

And so praise god, if you would told me a year ago that we'd have like one of the largest tiktok out there in conservative media, all politics, I would have said in a way, but and we can go whatever direction you want. Pt, but I believe without the horror, the tragedy in october seventh and the events that came subsequent. Um I don't know who would have had the success on tiktok that we did.

There's there's a story that came out, rob, if you can all there IT. So it's a wall street journal story. A few days ago, Young voters helped fuel trumps win. okay. So and this was kind of interesting because one day I get a call from vanity fair and they're asking me about what do you think about the fact that bear and trump is getting all this podcast SE for his father to get on? And what do you think about that strategy and all this that you're talking as if it's a bad idea on what is on?

I'll read this, you Young voters helped from fuel trumps win trumps when included a fourteen point lead among the men under thirty, a drastic thirty point shift from twenty twenty when biden had a fifteen point lead for women under thirty, Harris LED by eighteen points, a drop from thirty two points in twenty twenty. Nationally, sixteen percent of voters were under thirty, up from thirteen percent, so three plus in twenty twenty, with hrsa support among them shrinking to just six six points over trump, fifty two to forty six economic issues dominated Young voters concerns, with twenty nine percent of a Young women and forty two percent of Young women prioritising jobs and the economy. Trumps campaign reach Young voters through college events.

Take talk. They're talking about you right here in popular podcast, following advice from his son barren, who recommended clearance on platform such as adam rose, drawn hundreds of thousands of views. Now, adam, show gamer, all this stuff.

But a lot of this, if I was to hear someone, if, for example, celebrity gets on, oh, wow, he was on aid, great oh my god, he was on logan polar mic melt, great. Short informs, yeah, I can't believe logan had him on. I get IT.

Jack actually broke down a thirty two minute video to explain why is voting. I think that translate, you get Young voters to say, that's right. That doesn't make any sense what you talking about this doesn't make any sense, Chris.

Again, the sport of politics, how big you're in this space. You've ended your entire life. Your fathers a two term governor. Your brother's a governor. So it's not like you. How big of a deal was this for Young voters to flip like this and be inspired to come out and vote for trump?

So one of the rules and politics is, do everything, do everything. The N. S.

Mode go everywhere. You can talk to anyone you can. That has become lesson less popular as people seek their silo right now.

Again, this is also evidence of underperformance. I'll start with saying no vote to me, I don't think is coming in from a good place, by the way. I don't I don't think we ve got to talk about that defining IT as bravo. I see what .

what does provoke .

me to me. I see IT as a way of diminishing um what resonates with Young men and I think get a continuation of a very avert intentional strategy of bringing down Young men. I don't get that blaming them, bro, is to me, you think it's a majority?

Oh yeah, I think it's I, I, I.

okay. And i'm OK with IT now. I don't see who is called brows. I get called that fifty four years old .

and I see. So you think when people label that they are trying .

to use IT as a oh.

because it's never one of them. I say going on out like almost like why would you waste your .

time getting on and I got and it's a disrespect. It's an extension of how people in the media not to speak for a whole group, I think. But you never hear anything good about joo gan.

Accept his reach. Now, do I see rogan as any kind of functional equivalent to either of you guys? No, cause your thought.

Leaders, I may not agree with your thoughts. I may not. I may not want to echo your thoughts, but your thoughts, leaders.

Joe has an amazing platform that you got to give him credit for having where he has guys like you on IT. That's that's the appeal. His audience is not independence.

His audience breaks, right? And that's fine. That's fine, but to be a majority and say these grows like somehow it's bad to have Young men wanting to vote for you, I think is a mistake.

Trump did what you're supposed to do. He went everywhere. So should have Harris. Was rogan gonna the same situation for her? As for him, no but that's the way IT is you know when when Donald trump at some point decides to come on news nation and sit down, it's not going to a be like you sit and down with news max or fox news but you take IT the audience gets where he love.

He'll love IT though that's the thing that he likes to be chAllenged if it's done from a .

good place in good faith.

invited oh yeah, no, as long as long as not cheat if shop shots though he likes IT I although he he .

likes to deliver a cheap at the fair enough.

But I think you, I think you would do a good job if if you came from a perspective of, you want to make sure the american people of clarity .

on what he believes, right? My point is a look, I think he needs to sit down. Here's my feeling about IT.

Okay, let's move on. The democrats have to process. The republicans had to process in the bit terms. Process, figure out out, figure out what you want.

Don't get overwhelmed with blaming things as a kind of battle of agendas, which is what the left is doing, but that's their problem. We have to be focused forward. Trump should be talking about what he's going to do all the time. Can I stand this topic?

I want to stand this topic, and I I want to get your expertise on topic. So the reason I ve talked in Young voters, we're staying here with the Young voters topic is I watch you know super ball like right now pisses me off that since and the managers are three and five and we've won, there have lost most other gains by less than attached on whatever thirty five, thirty four time tells me the corner back sock and i'm like that to be okay.

He's a number one counter back right now. Yardage, touchdown to interception, I think is a number one or number two in that. But they're three and five and they're not the way they're planning right now.

They're can do anything major now. And if you could still make IT, the playoffs could still be formal later on. It's all about a momentum.

But one could watch a game IT IT could say, well, the differentiator and two thousand twenty four is xyz. The running game is this MBA cleaning cabs are off to a twelve old record. IT doesn't matter when IT comes to the place in politics right now.

A lot of events happened last two months. I remember a year and a half ago and bringing guests here and were having different conversations, and a lot of people were still scientists. They were even uncomfortable to be for trump. I would go to event, and guys were kind of like, wow, you've GTA be comfortable, you know, don't be too pro trump because you're even losing the conservative vote. This was about a year and two years ago that was happiness.

You had to kind of be like, um relax a little bit when you're being to to to yeah in prime bring you down a little bit right? But in the last twelve months, specifically, if this is a sport in the last twelve months to both of you guys, what would you say were the defining moment? Word flip? And by the way, i'm not expect i'd like to see one from both of you guys, but also reasons, for example, bobbies want out. Okay.

we hosted that event.

I remember red that that was that was turning point. Remember there was an anfisa.

Was that if you see those kind of bio .

techniques, insane. So.

but but that's just a come x nee, hello.

that's the on pet. You know.

that's a turning lize.

We've been in the business of doing events for a while, and I would expect nothing less from a guy like you. I've been out assumed the back the guy works like twenty four, seven eighties have been run in the whole show is phenomenal. But bobbi coming out that alliance to mosque, coming out masks, two point one billion impression on x rogan podcast assassination attempt, the Younger voter going out to getting the tiktok folks. If you were to say few the events in twenty twenty four that let to trump making the greatest come back of all time.

what would you say that was I I have to pick a couple, the first of which was in line mosques, purchasing and twitter. And and I believe that for many reasons.

because IT allowed .

for you put that as one. Yes.

I think I agree.

I think I agree. I do. I do. And and the reason being is that you saw a national popular vote still a certain way, which is indicative that the entire country is consuming information differently, right? This was not just a regional tilt.

It's not just that trump in a Better campaign in pennsylvania, which he did. It's not just that we chased more votes in arizona, which we did, that the whole country is consuming information that makes them view things different. Now you could say, oh, because it's inflation.

All that sort of the national public polling shows that there was this moment where the countries are to care more about immigration. The country started to care more about what's happening in ukraine. Public attitudes were changing. And I believe that is because we had a platform that finally allowed freedom of speech, because all the other ones were clamping down on IT. So I think that's number one.

In the number two, I think IT would be the indictments of Donald trump, starting which when the rubin was crossed when alvin brag and died, a Donald m in new york for this ridiculous, just concocted pile of garbage that no one could explain. And Donald trump was then viewed correctly as a marder bias supporters and a sympathetic figure to the people who couldn't afford groceries. And for A A regular person, the equation, the formula, is built.

I can afford stuff that I used to. And the guy i've been told the hate is now facing prison time, that that doesn't make sense to me. And so then what happened is that regular, everyday people would go turn on the networks.

They say, okay, helpme understand this. M S N B C helps me because yeah, got a lot of people would give the benefit. The doubt.

They said, okay, and they heard nothing. But he's a not see, he's a threat to democracy, and he must be locked up. And regular people didn't buy that.

And then where did they go? P, P, T, X. To twitter.

And they saw a different story. And so I could keep on going. And finally, the day, what what they did, elan musk, dr.

Donald p. July thirteenth, the day that Donald trump got shot about their pennsylvania, and I I believe the hand of god was on Donald trump. I really do. I believe that IT was one, IT was one millimeter that saved his life. But then inland mosque, going all in you know that I mean I I I I read lan's book to alta sics in one is unbelievable.

He he's like a laser being when tesla is not hitting its objectives, he sleeping on the floor of the tesla fact, the gift factory until it's done if the rockets aren't getting up on time, he dedicates so life. If he wants to trump to go the White house, what do they do? He lived in pencil vania for forty five days straight and dedicated his fortune, his time, his energy, like a laser, be, nothing else mattered. And when you had that kind of focus from obviously the highest capacity person on the planet, coupled with donal trump, you're talking about A A four multiplier, the likes of which that literally, in my opinion, save civilization course. What would you say?

I like the phrase force multiple er ah that's absolutely what social media is. I agree with your analysis about people are using social media as much as any media now ah now there's a problem with that because social media is not as reliable on a lot of levels. Independent media depends on the outlet.

Um what the wedding is, what the structure is. But yes, that was a big factor. The social media component of the dialogue is very important. Chris walsh leaving CNN to go start a podcast and like people say, no, this is a watership moment. No depends what he does with the podcast.

And always I can do very well.

but I said, right, because he could fade into because what he has done very well, well franz's dissenting voices have done very well .

in that space. Fringe don't.

as a majority, that is a jordy. People on the outside of non main party people. okay. So what do I think if I had to pick IT and I get why you mitigate IT because it's more than this, but if I have to pick a pivot, IT was the inflation narrative because what happened was the left got caught in a space of trying to convince you that you weren't paying more for things and that that wasn't really a problem. And that's a very tRicky space.

I would have a famous conservative come on every week in blow Riley, and his analysis would begin and end with the gas pump in the grocery store. And I say, yeah, but what about anything gas is higher than IT? Was groceries or higher rent, mortgage higher theirs or not that your not? And we have even even included a health care costs yet, which also went up.

So when all of those things are worse now and they're telling you that the guy where they were Better is the problem, IT doesn't compute. That's what I thought was a big pivot point. And of course, there are hundred other things that went into at Jordan Peterson's, right? There's never a single factor explanation for a complex situation that to me, we can pinpoint .

cause a certain motion they .

couldn't get away from that real.

Let me, let me ask this question, rope. Can you pull up to one clip on CNN where this guy is explaining men competing in women sports? For for me, I think one of the things we based on this prompt, this was prompt to bed, on which you guys are same right now.

One of things is how terrible the argument of the left was for the last four, specifically four years. I spent bad for eight years, but four years was a little bit ridiculous on, i'm watching this thing here. Look, okay CNN.

You know, they're in a conversation about who to blame. And this guy is making a very, very logical, logical. Last night I met training with my son and a socks, nine o'clock and there with the two trainers.

One guy comes up with a agent, he's here from london, and another guy who was a guy that played for miami and inter miami, and he's not sometimes we're send you're talking guy comes up to me. He's under tennis. He says, I know this voice.

I said, yeah he said, your your petrol S I N he says, you know, I watch you all the time. I said, that's great. He says, we not don't agree with you.

I said, really yes to tell who you voted for. You have voted for ca as a really tell me why you voted for camera as well. I just think trump, you know, he's just like he's got the T D, S.

On my OK find. But when IT came to a family, he's talking to me with a three old sun on his shoulder. And in this argument right here, you lose that guy where that guy sit and says, I don't agree with this guy.

Rock, can you want to play this clip? The families out there who don't believe boys should play girl sports. They're not boys. I'm not listen to transact. I'm not.

That girl a, they're not. But what what he says to him and because, look, this is a really heated issue, right? And sure, Michael, I know you.

I know that you understand that people have different views on this one. I think i'd of respect for jay, I try to talk about this in a way that is respectful. Let me rephrase this.

Since i'm being targeted here, I don't most care you are not being i'm specifically saying that I know that you are not intending to be translated, but I I want to get you so the regular people interpret IT that's such regular people of not regular people. There's no consensus that these are actually boys. This whole thing about transgresses is a kind of we're talking about a tiny, tiny sliver of the population.

Maybe then using that, my point takes away health are with I. Just to get to your point point, in terms of its effectiveness, regular people with children look at these things and they say, you know what? This is a bit too far.

I do not agree with this. I don't like this. I think democrats going way too much to .

the left on social issues, really, that a lot of families .

believe that you .

may disagree without reality.

But that's why republicans, those ads over .

and over present, because they saw the metric, suggested that they were think in those ads over and over again, using rhetoric. C bike, you just use saying, this is boy's, he is.

you can so child.

you've been the reaction, I mean, but rarely are .

you able to then see the contention. And the point proved in one clip. So sure, Michael is saying, you know, one of the reasons why democrats are fAiling is because boys are in women sports.

And the guy that says, no, no, you have to stop doing that now he was doing real time speech, police real time thought in eruption of a very valid point by way that sure Michael is making. And yes, lesh should be very legitimate. Here there are men in female sports disaster.

The gains IT is happening every single day. It's happening at the biggest possible level. It's happening even at the olympics.

It's happening all across the board. And this is something that donor trumps most effective political advertisement, the cycle. And susie wiles deserve such credit for this and her entire team, because they trust their instinct.

There was a two part. There was a two sequence at. There was they did a and b. The first one is where they showed commoner Harris sitting down with a transaction, is in california, where he was brazing that illegals got taxpayer funded gender of assignment surge, just like such as, and bragging about you.

Then they ran another ad of sharla main from the breakfast club reacting to that and basically saying, kala Harris is for vae, them Donald trump s for you. And they went all in on that ad. Now what is IT about that ad of all of the stuff?

I saw that on the yanks. me. I said the playoffs.

IT was every, let I say. I got to disagree little with bill a rally here because when you said IT wasn't just groceries and gas, because the trump campaign spent seventy five million dollars on a non grocery and guest, because that ad struck down to a cord that was commonly Harris weakness. SHE is this radical ideology from california who will pander to foreigners, not americans, with the most wild, abstract left wing ideas.

And then incorporated in that, oh by the way, um she's also for thy them so anyone who's dealing with that kind of hr policing in the corporate life, it's kind of a little trigger and they even said in the ad that comella supports men and female sports. I mean, IT hit all the points and thirty seconds. And what did you just say? P, P, T.

Where did they place that at the brilliance, the trump campaign? They only ran IT on nfl football and the world series and male dominated media. They didn't run that on lifetime. And that's why danna trumped historically well with Young male voters.

Yeah, look, the, you know, this is a, this is a complex situation. IT resonates easily. You having a black guy say, IT surely mean the god was a was a force multiple er in that regard as well. But look, the democrats loss because they underperformed.

Alright, that is a really important thing to remember because what does that tell you? That tells you didn't they didn't get their people out when you look at where trump w, he grew obviously with people who didn't vote for him before. So something changed in this election that made people stay home and some of them who did go out when out for him. I think the economics are a big part of, of course.

and sent that's an example.

This is complete picture. Here's my problem with this issue and and I welcome this. I say all the time you're not going to get a lot of parents to vote for you when you say it's okay that a guy my size is playing girls volleyball in high school um they don't like the idea.

okay. Does that happen a lot? No, does that happen? yes. Obviously we're talking about IT. I am worried though that there is an offset on the issue, which is what happens most with the lgbtq plus community. A I A I have a problem with, I get yelled that for .

this little spirit.

whatever IT is okay, i'm okay ay with all got .

to get the whole thing .

I know because I get yelled that when I don't, but i'm not missing IT on purpose. okay? My point is this.

what happens to the most so totalitarian, well, IT is because if you miss the acronym.

your hair, that's right, and that's a mistake. But but two things can be true. Want what happens to the community most is that they're discriminated against. And i'm worried about the the gay kid, the trans kid that is living in a real profound stata of fear and people are hurting them. That that happens a lot now is the correction which talking about, listen, people target those people and they get bully.

They get Christians too. People get bully because their fat and .

overweight or they talk funny, but they were. And i'm just worried about what you do to them. I agree with the argument, male and female sport, this doesn't make any sense. But in this .

country it's only trends he's not talking about. Get your lesbian. I know this two minute video, the guy is saying, when you start putting men competing and women sports, the guy comes out.

J corrections you can have, you don't column is just trans girls. And then to top IT off, the host defends this argument and then tell him to pump the breaks. Yeah and is like what? So to me, what happens the following? What percent of C N of viewer ship is going na be democrat? Let's say eighty percent seven and whatever .

the number is yeah, it's it's going to be in the forties. But it's okay. It's it's going to be a plurality. It's not a major I think .

it's going to be more liberals than republicans that yes.

a lot of people watch at the .

airport a they calculated that so people the watch, watch something.

but meaning the audience .

that goes to CNN. Is that audience right? You know what happens? How many the guys that are sitting their same problem.

I been in one democrat my entire life. What I don't agree with this. Yeah, I am a moment where you're sitting there, you and your wife on the kitchen.

Honey, uh, foods ready? Okay, be in your same turkle. So how was your day today? And then you here this go. Yeah I get and you watching .

like I get IT. I've never heard anybody make a different case. I've never heard anybody say, but why it's okay if that you would have a male be competing against females? I totally get if .

they continue this way to Chris, if they continue this way, the the argument, the argument when you're presenting and a method of you trying to gain the voters when you do things like that, you lose in a major way, which by the way, this is the commercial charity was talking about, if you want to play.

just just to be clear this, that they went all in on the five million bucks and I ve thought after heard go head up taxi of different sexes, ors for prisoners, surgery for prisoners. For prisoners .

every transgender in me in the prison system would have access.

even support, biological.

compete against our girls and their the commute is for they do president trump.

Can I say something? There has been this consensus by some that the culture war should be away from politics, and the culture war loses elections. This this advertisement has studied now by three different firms, as the most effective ad is against that theory, which is that the culture war actually gave down to trump t. The ad of the good edge. Now, Chris all also say that ad probably was also why some black, Young, black man stay at home.

maybe.

right, because the trump campaign serves credit for at least in a community. The audience look combo is not worthy your vote. And IT a really damping down enthusiasm.

How many Young black men detroit were excited to go vote for comment? They feel as if he wants to go put men in female sports. You see.

i'm say it's, I totally get IT and that is a rule of politics. I believe culture wars have always been part of politics. And so the idea that is separate apart, I don't agree that IT ever was, but IT certainly isn't .

now but can not be affected.

I think I can one hundred percent. I mean, look, he doesn't without IT. I mean, in this race, the economics matter as well.

In twenty sixteen, he was a purely cultural proposition and IT worked. So there empirically, we're on the same side with this. Look, here's my concern with the here's why I don't like this. Okay, i'll put IT that way. I totally agree with the premise.

okay? And I think that the man stations of IT that they were putting out there are even more effective than the sports one, that everybody gets access to a sex change in prison, that even illegal migrants get. That that bothers your sense of rightness, okay no of justice, of fairness under law.

Um to me those are more powerful than the guys my size play in high school or that I was like twice my size that was in the commercial playing with girls. why? Because that doesn't happen that much. The other two .

will cause IT happens more than you think. But even if IT only happens a little, it's in the front to our sense of justice. I get well, right.

I mean, because I get IT. IT is a tack used by some, not you. Oh, it's not happening that much, but hold when an injustice occurs at the highest, for example, the N, C, W, A summer championship.

You, i'm saying he doesn't take money. IT doesn't take the olympics. Or right now there the story that was cooking before the election, the sand, who is a state volleyball team, right? All these teams are four fitting.

And that is at the highest level of the N. C. W. And so yeah, I mean, look of we don't we don't know the to the exact rapidity that IT is happening. But even if IT happens once at an N, C, W, A champion level.

I get IT. Now, where I had more of a problem with this is the immigrant crime issue. Because to me, like on this, when I get because the value play on the immigrant crime thing, I was OK, you don't have to make boogeymen out of them.

People already um very wary of them. Our crime problem in this country is not immigrant motivated, illegal immigrant motivated. I don't think you have to exaggerate things.

The truth is often enough, the southern border as a nightmares, or the democrats allowed at to stay that way and actually exacerbated the problem. That's enough. My complaint with trump was, you don't have to demonize the people who are coming over here. The truth is enough for you.

Would you acknowledge that them coming over, they committed a crime? Oh yeah.

also there are definitely, I know, but they are definitely I know. But that's duced this statistic. He's talking about raping, murdering those.

We can get to that. But there is something to be. If I just like shop in your living room.

I invited absolutely wrong, unless somebody is chasing you across the border with a gun.

you're otherwise a ming.

A crime almost always economic, and IT is always a crime to enter illegally. No question about IT. What you do about IT is what we should be talking about. Not, not here. What I mean, you know, we should be talking about, what do you do how you're gonna IT and .

getting a fair or unfair in politics? Certain stories and narratives will end up defining a race with George of the bush thousand nine hundred eighty eight IT was the Willy horton nd against ian caucus down d trump, to a less extent had stories like lake and ryley who was brutally murdered in athon storage a or Rachel morn who was hunted down in a hiking trail by an illegalities.

A mother ever think of four, four kids and so look, those stories aren't misrepresented tions. There are real things that happened. And again, what is the vibe? Because the comes time that vives a lot that trump played into is that you guys are not doing well.

And whatever reason, we're allowing all these people in an unregulated fashion, right? And again, what does he get back to? This was truly brilliant.

That add the immigration question is in the front to our instinctive god. T god built, programmed A, A tune of justice, right? wrong? People say that's not right.

When you can find an issue, where is hard for people to disagree with the position, you're in a very good space. And immigration, you know it's it's been on poll preferences before, but it's never been like a main thing the way IT has the last couple of cycles. And I think that there has been a huge differentiator that has been beneficial to the right slash trump, which is really that far left explanation of open borders.

It's very hard to find a democrat who's in power, who's in favorite of an open border. But the perception that, well, trump had this set of rules, you came in and you ve got rid of all of them because they were his, and you did nothing to replace IT to deal with the problem, and IT all got worse on your watch. It's really hard with anybody to disagree with that.

It's demonstrably true. And then the issue, because it's politics and I was made into a powerful narrative, became really important everybody and everybody and um governor texas governor abbott, you got ta put him on your list and I should have thought of him him sending illegal migrants two other states was a genius political move. You can talk about the humanity of IT, but because now I made these other populations look at new york city.

we never talk. What about that? The record IT wasn't just because of abbott, jobim and the dhs. Also, they do flights out from the ports of entry, right? So IT wasn't just red state governors.

right? But he did IT with an intention.

Now there was some political, some political theatrics to IT. However, the policy of the department homine security is that you go to a port event entry and we will give you a flight to thirty cities, and you're choosing, yeah. And so IT did nationalize the immigration and .

agree that I agree with both. And I look, catching release is another one of those things that IT is hard to be in favor of as a principle. So what you're gonna watch somebody doing something wrong and you're gonna let them go and hope they come back and probably get kicked out. And so can I .

ask you a question, Chris, why do you think the democrats had such a passive border for the last four years? If IT does IT, if it's so insane.

why do you think that is? Like several reasons. Okay, one, because solving that problem is not as useful to them until now as weaponized the problem.

And I believe that about both sides, that IT allowed them craters to say, boy, to you, people hate people. You are anti american. You don't even love immigrants anymore.

You toxic wides and IT allowed the right to say, you people are crazy. You do not use your brain. There is nothing good about what's boring over the border.

And I really believe that a big motivator. And why neither side obama had, both houses didn't, did healthcare, didn't do this. Nobody has, when you've had the chance, has tried to do this, accept late in the game, this layer ycl, which everybody saw through.

Second reason, they do have a left flank issue. They do have a left flank issue that is hyper sympathetic to the suffers of those people and believe that you should just be welcoming all in. That's what this country is.

That's what IT is, is best. The main reason though was in politics, what they call paralysis by analysis. So the number start going in bed.

They know invite and administration. It's because they relax those home country agreements and the other executive orders. Now the problem is there. So what you do in politics nine times out of ten is ignore IT and focus on something else instead of owning and fixing, because owning gets you own. I mean.

if you know that ten thousand people a day are coming in your country, you ignore IT.

How is that not treason? It's not treason.

But just like, let's look at an analytically and political, you allow ten thousand people to come in and you just ignore IT. How are you not fulfilling your .

obligation to the country? What you could argue that IT is mr. Even male fees. treason? No, treason is a defined crime where you're giving comfort to an enemy.

You're are assuming that all of these people are therefore enemies, which they are tels our enemies? Well, but there not all car tepi, but enough are to not to be treason. But IT look, it's definitely political male practice. IT was definitely wrong. And the car tells, I think, our great emphasized of that point and fanno, which got very little attention.

but I I don't want you to too much on the trees and thing and that grilling. I'm just trying to understand you talk to democrats a lot and and know i'm okay being grilled. But no, no I I have my own speculation of which is nothing but that how you can say that you're governing a country and you're spending all this money on ukraine and all this stuff and abstractions and you just are kind of the best indifferent to your own nation being over.

right you what I would say to that, here's what I would add to Chris. You know, a charlie earlier say, hi, what's the number of reason what he thinks is my twit. I'm like, you know, what I agree in my reason for saying yes is because if twitter was still owned by dorsey, ran by the old guy, I remember his name, the CEO, a lot of people wouldn't be back on.

And the first domino getting everybody trump back on social was twitter when he let alex Jones back on, when he let Andrew tate back on, when he let trump back on. And trump wouldn't tweet because he was still on truth. And facebook follows, instagram follows, everybody else follows, right?

If that doesn't happen, we don't hear to counter arguments to everything and we can be gassed to believe in that nothing's really going on with the border then. That opens IT up where someone like me, I run a big insurance agency. What my day look like is every day people would bring me things and says, watch what he did. That's not complaint.

And eventually the big good insurance, which company becomes your all become a compliance office or trust me, not fund, but your constant trying to see who's in the right and who's in the wrong and all I do throughout the days you two arguments, well, here's what they did and they should have given us the insurance policy really yeah, what else? Anything else you want to tell me before? Go asking questions.

These are the two facts you need to know. perfect. Hey, what happened to you that I didn't tell me that? Yeah, what is that? Can you show me for here? You know, can you show me to take got IT?

Hey, did you use to tell me about IT? Well, yeah, but it's not fair. He always, you like him more than I say, no, no.

Now you're getting emotional. He has a Better argument than you do. Take all the emotion aside.

Leave in the border, open your the borders are and then later on you want to run IT. You're not. Hey, kids competing, boys competing. There's so much of this that the person that's not involved in politics that I don't need to have forty five years in politics or six years to say, no common sense, this doesn't make sense, no common sense, this doesn't make things.

You have to be right because of what we just saw in the returns.

What is not about, I have to be, I think, the american people who don't have time to follow politics, but they ve live a life long enough with a trust, common sense, sit there and say, that's the party of common sense. You don't make any sense. I can't vote for you because you don't make any sense with the border, with the economy, with marriage, with the way you're okay with these guys competing to me.

That's the part. If the democrats today don't make adjustments and they stay arrogant thinking and obama can come and save them, obama no longer has the voice used to have, by the way, the report comes out, rob. And if we're on this uh uh a porter thing, let's do this before we go to the next one.

They announced that a tom home is officially the director of immigration in the enforcement the borders are. And when that was announced, I think about a year ago, you're in a half ago, we talked about rob that if chunk gets elected, if you can go on twitter, rob, just play that clip from the podcast. I said if trump gets elected, this guy is gonna the borders are and if he does, this is the wrong guy.

They don't want this guy to be and go to play this slip. And then you'll see him going up against A O, C, and how he handles A O C. Go head rap.

If trump lans, this guy is going to be back running the border. And and I want a romantic guys who this guy is when he SAT down with A O, C. And A C tried to grill him and watch what happened to A O, C. And SHE tried to girl on the, who knows, you just entertain any of .

the money that you recommended. You recommended family separation.

I recommend as jo tolerance, which includes finally separation the same as is whatever you, a citizen parent, get rest win the way the child. Part tender zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that separated children from that. If I get rested for I, A Young child in a car, don't be separated, also soft in new york.

And I rested matic violence. I separate that, mr. Human, we ought .

to respect legal asides, are not charged with any crime.

what when learned the country language violation, eight and nine days called thirteen thousand years seeking asylum is legal. If you want to go to the port of the the legal way, you can cause nothing that can be said. So the average person watches this and lets you say about the way I I know a lot of people going to think this is weird.

I actually like to see. I know it's going on. We would actually like, I will see. I think I will see every once in a while he has a little bit of anti stablished in her SHE doesn't like to policy SHE doesn't like to summer use a socialist. She's completely on the opposite side, but she's also not the most establishment left person.

Sometimes he makes some decent arguments, but you want to see, like, you know what he gives me a vives that he wants to be to working people. But she's also btn to philosophy where SHE faces a guy like that would come on sense. Who loves america? So I think the american people write, or glad that guy is in and a charity, maybe give us some up to because you're working with some of the council on who's coming in on the team.

That's why you think i'm not being rude. It's literally have.

I want to give us an update, give us an update .

on what first all, I mean, i've never been more encouraged ever being a millian involved two transitions to become this one. There is this constant repetition at maroga right now about we need to fulfilled the Mandate. And IT doesn't matter anything else, accept what did the voters elect and what is going to allow the president to fulfill the Mandate that voters gave him.

I think it's pic so far and terrific. I do encourage people unless you see that I Donald d trumps truth social IT is not IT is not verified. Okay, so i'm talking about who's going to .

be in the administrate rect. I mean.

some people say, well, rubio selected well, very well might be, but that's not verified yet. okay. And people, there is a lot of twitter ROI chat right now. And you guys got if you don't see IT on downal trumps through social, there is an exhausted of process to get IT on trumps through social. And then it's science, ciel, and delivered, right?

So it's an ironic situation because usually is the last place I .

would go to know. But but right now I could just tell you .

that that there is a whole other trump roys. My father has a set IT.

It's not there.

What I also, you please, are they worried about taking .

too many sitting law? My concern, which is public, is that, again, nothing private, is that we're going to have a two or three seat majority in the house. So already out of the gate, we have at least the phonic and mike walls, which very well could get us down to a one seat majority.

So yes, that is a concern. Senate is not as much. However, you do then trigger potential special elections and we know that with the tale of jeff sessions of alabama, you have actually lose S A santa y with a really amped up democrat party. I think that's a big concern.

Um whether or not I my concern gets internalized or um gets heard is a separate issue, but I think that if you have too many special elections, you allow a desperate democrat party that obviously has a lot of money to get new found momentum while you're trying to actually get your administration off the ground. So that is definitely a concern of mine. However, you have to build your cabinet.

That's your priority. And I think .

at least to find .

IT is terrific.

You are the difference is this is that the senate you can immediately replace with governor appointment. The house does not have such constitutional ability.

right IT stayed by state with the senate or right the governors replaced and then whether they .

future ever IT is an immediate feel of A A that that is in the U. S. constitution. However, a house of representative member does not get a vacancy filled by governor appointment. IT remains vacant until a special election, which is a very important technical difference. So for example, if mark rubio does end up getting secretary, they not verified at everybody governor to scientists, the next morning can say, X, Y, Z. So you don't lose the see, don't see the house representatives, at least deponent a governor.

Holle doesn't a very important distinction to know the difference between .

those two things. Yes, very so. Governor hok le doesn't replace yes.

because you're picking in your people who are people, but you may be depleting team that you need. So it's an interesting thing. And also your point about look at IT, in truth, it's it's part of the blessings and curse of social media.

You know you're tiktok. When we were looking at IT, you've got five million followers, which is a really big number on tiktok. But your views or way, way beyond your followers, that is, the blessing and curse of social media, is that things get put out, and if they're good for you, great.

If they're bad for you, terrible. Because it'll be seen a guzzle an more times than even the people who are looking at you, which is something that can be a weapon. zed.

And you know, I don't know the answer to IT. I really don't. It's easy to say, and the media loves to do this. The media loves to hate on itself, which is something you realized when you've been in IT for a while. So they're enjoying very much now saying digital media pod cat, that's where IT is.

That's where IT is. Can I interject on that though? And I like your thrice so I have an opinion that the the next wave, the american people will not reward a presidential candidate with their vote if they cannot sustain a three hour uninterrupted podcast like rogan or this one.

I think that is the new stand. I think the days that meet the press or sitting down with sixty minutes for a fifteen minute interview, that I think those days are being sunset ted. And I think the new Normal is that you have to earn my vote by sitting down with joe rogan for three hours, sitting down with pbt, because here's what long form podcasting does.

There's no breaks, there's no you could go any direction. There's a million different ways and therefore very difficult to prepare for. So IT is you get a very, very accurate picture of who the individual actually is.

I think um you are correct that the expectations of the electorate or changing, I think that forum is unknown at this point. Joe rogan is certainly not my wallace. Okay.

so I I think .

people saying is not smart. I'm saying, look, I watched every second of him with thump. okay? I've watched fifty hours.

He calls IT a conversation for reason.

By the way, i'm a big fan of conversation. I do a lot more of IT now. Then I used to, I used to just do testing sessions because I didn't have the time.

They are not know, I know. So I had a zero in i'm not denigrating joe rogan. His success speaks for itself. What i'm saying is I don't see him as a legit vetter of .

can I say let let let me say something on that so you know uh um when I was coming up in the financial space I had such a fear of asking myself, dude, I don't have a finest degree.

I'm sitting in a class with more against andy dean witter guy sitting to my left and my classroom organs at mark options hotel 3 ference to school because nine eleven happened so we couldn't go to world trade and they sent to our office on safety has got， you know what the kid's name was sitting to my left that was a new advisor would more inconstant tly than water ted Williams to third, I said, i'm like how the f am I going to compete with your market? This guy goes and presents, hi, i'm ted will the third what more instantly? Dean witter, i'd like to talk you about your defensive strategy when IT comes onto your investment.

Do you have thirty to forty five minutes spent time with me, of course. Are you do you have any to love to tell some stores? Hi, I am patric beddy coming to from IT on.

And I want to tell you how I can give you some offensive strategy on your rest for you. Did you say run? yes.

how? no. You not come into my house, right? So like how I hope you going to compete with these guys. This guy, finance degree, worried.

And then I go in and I realized, no, no, no, no, no, that have fold you out, work out, improve our strategies out, less than common sense. Very simple. Maybe political party.

If you set aside the left, right, center, and we gave a score to common, I saw a clip by this lady, rob. If you can prepare this clip, she's a political analyst. SHE goes to buy a bolo wine, and she's talking to a person.

I want you to this. This is how I feel. Sometimes people that are in this business of politics for so long that they think so highly of themselves that they're pump as arrogant and play this could look at a reaction.

How SHE talk, folks. Tell me how likeable this personality is. Coherent, rob. okay. So we're closing in on almost five P M eastern time in everything that's been going on across the country today. And my most important encounter was when I went held to get my shopping ah I was talking to the guy in the store, of course a asking him did he vote and he said he did early voting and he asked me if I early voted ah and he asked me.

you know why I was getting the champion and I said, because i'm gonna be toasting mam president tonight and he just looked at me with kind of like a smart his face and I said, you know, she's she's gone to win this right he says, all well, it's very, very close and I said, no, it's not. Says what what do you mean? I said, no, it's not.

The women of amErica are making their voices heard. Reproductive rights is what IT all comes down to. And the women are voting in numbers relative to men that are unbelievable. She's won this when I said to, she's going to take every one of the swing states presso to I A and he said, oh, but the numbers are so close I said .

i'm a political position now numbers are there. She's taking this election I said to, you realize and eating down voted for but of course I know and I said.

you do realize you wasted your vote, right? And I didn't care. I walked out with my bottle of gin rain and happily walked home. Bye, by the way.

how you doing now? Well, I would love to see her go back to that same liquor to buy the champagne.

A if I think .

it's much harder stuff.

it's Bobby absent. But but going back to IT see to me that lady is so indoctrinated. If SHE probably went to the right school, he probably did everything the right where he is. So, you know, brain wash into our thinking.

Then you got a guy like this, okay, A J rogan, where, you know, some people say, will listen, like, even use you a complimentary of us earlier like you know political anal all this, I think charity for sure. I'm just a regular business guy. You're big deal, you know that.

But in the business space, I have more to pinch my thoughts on on how processing issues and you see this guy brings that brings trumping forty million views the next day. J events, fifteen million views the next day, which was my favorite of all the podcast fetterman. And I didn't perform that what? But that was my favorite fettled man, yeah.

but there's a reason trumpet does forty, vans does fifteen, and veteran does. And IT also shows that the draw .

is in you.

But no, but it's a moes. I .

think the here me out though, you know, when went in, but we watch money about the other day, four, fifty times, you know, I freaking love that movie. Turn to hill. I know I love the way IT he's the only speak, or Billy bean, that I paid three times to come to speak at our events and you know, he's the only guy that told me i'll compare just please don't turn on the camera he does not like the camera and we never record but he is ridiculous when he become to bring him to the event.

I freak love Billy bean and here's why love Billy bean and I want to get to my point Billy bean comes in and goes a jona and he in that room with clear cleaning indian, it's okay. I'll give you drink or whatever the guys and is no yeah and two hundred thousand hours, what do you think? And and the guy he looks at looks at jono jonas, like is now when i'm going to do IT and it's a prit looking at again, what is happen right now? Okay, forget IT just no money.

Just give me a place. And who who was that guy? Then he goes to that guy. IT goes to his desk is to say, what just happened in there, who are you?

What's your background, who's your father, who's your uncle, who played in a major list, is nothing what you do. And you do you like the game. Now, i'm not a baseball of guy.

What the actress happened that day, Chris, is when baseball realized the most important that in baseball is in home run, not doubles, not arbi is not stopping basis, not E, R. A. The most important data, baseball is on based percentage.

Do you know what's happening last four years? The most important state in politics is common sense. Baby and gees got a lot of IT.

I think that I don't i'm not disputing that. I'm just saying to Charles point about what the future of this of the processes. I think you're gonna see a lot more um where they call some talent. Are you going to see a lot more personalities?

You're going to see a lot more people with ideas enter that space from other spaces like Patrick, by the way, who will come in with an acute, and they'll be conducting interviews that will be longer, about three hours, but they'll be longer. I struggle to get through watching little alone participating, but I agree with you that it's an absolutely legitimate space. I also believe that joe rogan, to his credit, is a one off. I don't know if a year from now or two years from now, he'll be as dominant. That's not fair really to say that because as this space expands, you can't expect somebody .

he's kept this thrown for a couple years.

I know, but I think now you're seeing a period look talker has chAllenged him a couple of different times in terms of the metrics. Why a different level of talent coming into that space has a different level of draw. Um so I agree with you, I think that space is very vital.

I've been in IT when I came back, when I got to came by CNN. My first move was not to go back on T. V I Frankly thought I wouldn't go back on TV if I didn't believe in what the news nation guys were doing.

I wasn't going to back now for the best reasons. But personally, I just, I guess my ego was so damaged by getting shit. Can't that I was a well, what can I do that would restore which job could I take where i'd feel like i'm back?

You know, i've done all these jobs already. So I went into the podcast because I believe that IT was way more organic space. And I sense that people um were highly anti establishment and that that space look.

And I want to go to a couple of these things that we stop five minutes to go through. When I think about media, I don't sit down and say fox no CNN established the mainstream media. Not this.

The only reason why we say that is because they're get locked in Fisher coit, russia. That's why it's called establishment. But if i'm seeing a guy gets up just like what they help you talking about now I disagree within the same platform and you are allowed for the conversation.

I don't give us a cable network or podcast. We just want that discussion, and I tell you so, and this is complementary of news nation. I, by the way, nothing against stem. I didn't know about news nation until you told me about neos nation and we start talking about and now you you wanted know what my number one is, right? I go to news nation first.

Before I go to these other guys .

with not even friendship Better, you bring me in. But now i'm seen some of the stuff that's happening that I can at least see the conversation. So here's the point with rogan.

Rogan is a request and he will explain here what is what is just the one that he's explaining the commons request. So here's rogan describe in what commonest camp is asking if they choose to do the podcast go forward. This is one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to come on harson.

Like, I bet there's a person in there. I bet I can get to that person. Yeah, I wanted to find that person.

I don't want to hear all the speeches I didn't want to hear. I was raised middle school. I don't want hear anything.

She's a roller skater. You know that? No, I would love to find out. I would love to talk to about all kind of to ship out. I literally said because there's a few restrictions of things they didn't want to talk about, but I said I don't give a fuck I could get in here like what everyone talk about and they wanted know I edit might not going be any editing is no editing yeah i'm not onna edit but yeah that's .

the same thing that does is there and added, you know I just .

wanted to talk I just like I feel like you give someone a couple of hours and you talk talking about anything. I to see the pattern of the way you think i'm going to see the way you process idea, right? I'm going to see whether not you are calculated or whether you just free. Are you comfortable with you or do you are you projecting things like she's got eighty different accents? How do you decide which one to pull .

out SHE the like.

对 吧？ And meanwhile, when you look at this, okay, rab, go to twitter that this one fellow did a tweet breaking down the numbers on how each camp spent money. If you can just go to my profile, rob and and I retweet or just go to mind.

And yeah, if you can go and go lower. So here this, keep going lower. Keep going lower.

Keep on lower. Keep on lower, lower, lower, lower. You'll see IT the right there.

Okay, so just in blinds. Let's keep a shot out. So Justin, wonder who is painting a Better picture for amErica campaign spending.

Trump is three eighty one spent, three fifty four. Only ten point four million was spent on staff. Camera billion spent one point three, seven billion, five, eighty two was spent on staff.

Can I say something?

But so let me just sit. And to come straight to you're right after is because you, if you can know, you know, when you go, like a guy asked me question, can you give some money to our charity? What percentage of money you spend on staff? The first question I ask, if you can send me, what percentage money spent on staff will give you money? Oh, R, C, O, make six seventy.

I'm sorry, Brown not doing that because the money is not going to the people. okay? Oh, we don't spend that much money on stuff. This is much no prom.

Here's fifty k, here's ten k, here's one hundred k based on what's been spent when you see a structure like this and numbers like this. And then you get stories that they gave, apparently beyond a ten million. They gave color, daddy, one hundred thousand years to build a studios that they could have build for what? Five thousand hours are up.

But whatever that was they gave, Opera went three, one million dollars. I bet Operas pissed off that they gave beyond, say, ten times what they gave her. Now these are numbers that we're reading about, right? Is this to one rap? Yes, play this code and i'll go to charity. Go head.

Ten billion dollars for beyond, say, to step up and and back, commonly herr's publicly. Five million for Megan, nostalgic million for liza, one point eight million for him. And in, I mean, is that Normally how IT goes, you spend twenty million, you get yourself in debt to try to get a bunch of reach.

The liberties on stage. I'd never seen that. Maybe i'm ignorant of the fact, but wow.

charly a couple of thought.

So we ran, uh, one of the more criticize, and now very silent outside groups. A that helped Donald trump. S, so we had a super pack in A C four, and we were attacked.

You guys look at the articles almost every day. The Donald trumps unproved and ground game you provide saw these articles, right? Chris, I mean, IT was a narratives, right? That Donald d trump does not have a ground game.

Well, that they were found out what turning point in elan we're doing and would continue tell the media like what we're actually delivering the results. We registered hundreds, ten thousand people were chasing ballots. And the combo campaign was running this massive up where a lot of consultants made money where they would be like, well, we knocked on eighteen million dollars this weekend or something.

And i'd say how many balls do you put in the in the box and how many votes to do actually bank in the early voting period. And we were able to disclose all those numbers in real time as they were happening. And something is a miss.

Somebody made a lot of money on this commonly campaign like a lot. I don't know who, but I could tell you a being around campaigns a lot. A billion dollars spent ninety days and ending up in debt with very, very little to show for IT.

It's highly unusual and IT is the opposite. What happened in twenty? And again, the trump amp. Paigning team deserves great credit. In two thousand and twenty, the trump campaign team ran at the money and was bankrupt by late september. You can find that article, trump campaign team financial wales two thousand and is like september or october Donald trump in twenty, he started with a billion dollar cash advantage and that team spent at almost all the way down right? Um if you can go to IT IT, i'm sure you can find IT somewhere there yeah in financial peril yeah that's IT where there how trumps billion dollar campaign lost its cash advantage in new york times.

What's a date there on that article? September said that only point at my memories right right on and that shame and magic, the two best, the new york times seto off and and literally trump was in a financially payrolls position. The trump campaign saved their powder and was able to then outspend the coming a campaign last two weeks.

Final point to make this, all those totals don't count the outside money for commoner hairs. IT doesn't come. Super packs doesn't out the violin cy force and IT goes to show that money cannot alone win a White house, that a movement can triumph over a well funded machine. And that's true.

and IT always has been. Look, my father lost a bunch of elections before you won one, and nobody wanted him. He was an outsider. He was an ethnic, you know.

now i'm a White, that he was a big gal, italian.

one generation different, right? But he had to be mobile up, you know, mercurial mario, they call them, which was just a code for being an italian guy. And IT was about the people who wanted him to empower them.

That's why he won. He beat lula man in one thousand nine hundred and eighty two, who was the head of right day drug stores. And he had all the money.

He had all the cash. I, he had all the polish. When they did there debate, my father made a moment within very shook er's hand. He turned his rist and he said, wow, that's a nice watch because he had, like, this big time piece on and so I didn't matter how much he was out spent because the people win. That's the beauty of our country, is that the people can still win, but it's getting harder and harder.

IT should give a lot of people hope even though you're outspent three to one and the media is completely against you, you could still overcome that though.

Jumps, not the typical I was great guy because .

not not most famous person ever yeah.

because he gets so much free media attention. Although i'll tell you one of the criticisms I got somebody hit me with this again was good. I was an nosti c they were like, you know, trump is youthful.

I said, I know, because i've been red pilled right? And they said, no, because you gave him so much attention in twenty and fifty and twenty and sixteen. I said, well, i'll tell you how that happened if you want to know. Um my boss at the time decided that a phone call interview was okay because we'd rather have access to not .

have a hotel that not so smart and truly love doing that.

And while he was kept offering all call in, i'll call in because he just said that is, does and right and I was I know you ve got to get in front of and we didn't have zoom prepare demise and all that was zoom wasn't a thing. And even if I were, you weren't okay with that. And I tell you this is easily very well.

Yes, we went to the hilary clinton campaign and I went to the people around her and I said, he's calling in, do you want to call in? If you want, you can comment, but you can call IT. They didn't want to do IT think of how much time .

that saves you as a candidate. You get the full cable news treatment, right? No, it's that's a great .

point and it's very hard to I mean, we all know is podcasts ers. That's why Patrick, like rogan, takes the time and effort to have you in person. It's totally different.

It's really hard for you to get a feel, but also to get a fix on somebody you have remotely, let alone on the phone. So I worked for trump several different ways, but just like with podcasting, he said yes, SHE said no. And just like with the podcast, he said yes, he said no relatively. And it's a mistake as a candidate, you've got to to say .

yes to everything, but not as much. What's amazing, one day i'm having this, i'm sizing up all my guys on my team because I know i'm about to go to run. This is five years ago. And when I mean, i'm going to go on around like you know when you know you gonna you're asset and nobody else know.

So it's like three years before once going to find out what you don't behind clothes doors may be on five years, and we're going lie IT up and we're going to go and the markets going to know what we're going to do be on closed doors. Step number one, identify who's in and who's not. No one knows i'm doing this.

I call everybody who has a position of influence, and I say so call one of my guys who was a one of my agents for one, the books I said, so tell me some division on who you think you see me as in the next three, five, ten years, we can do a lot of big books together. Who do you think I am? And he says, I see you as the ethical version of this guy.

My cool. I see us. This guy said, wow. I say anything else. He says, nice as I think you are going to do a lot. I know totta code haman, this was great.

Next person, how? what? What do you vision? I think you're gonna do this. Oh, OK, what do you think? I think, got IT.

And then I realized which one of them saw the vision long term, which one of them didn't. okay. So guess what? We have to bring somebody you sent in this position because you have a very influential position.

I can't have you have this position. I'm bring this guy, god bless you, wish you know them Better, best. I hope you fine people you fully believe in because i'm rolen and we're gonna take over the world over them with insurance, with business, all the stuff that were going to get into media.

And then when you see guys that since surely you like do we take over the world, I know it's and then they tell you things that maybe you're not even seen, like Charles, I see, I know Charles is gonna going to be very, very formidable for many years to come. I told him that he runs this guys going to be a candidate next twenty thirty years, whatever he wants to do. This guy is a very, very unique.

I don't need anything from charlie. Charlie, I don't do business together. Sound like i'm like, k, charlie less do the deal together.

There is nothing I need or want from charlie. E, there is nothing. It's pure, authentic.

I believe in you. us. Pure, authentic. We enjoy other's company more off camera than on camera.

We enjoying others on camera but off camera. We have a great time. My kids love you, my family, which have a good time together, right?

What commonly Harris is campaign did to win over all these people. It's what that eighty eight years billionaire that got an on a costly to be his wife. I don't know.

You remember that sad, I ID of. Can you imagine convincing yourself this man who was eighty something years old, whatever his age was when he married? And and a good look at that.

And yeah, I love her and I love him. Look at the look that she's given him. He is so in love in that picture and in the Cosmos beyond, say, that guy write there to the left is camera.

How martial in that picture? And nico Smith is M, N, M. That is camera.

Anna o. Smith is all these other guys. That's calmet. This is the most embarrassing, possibly the most embarrassing story to have to tell people. I'll pay you to tell people how many.

I gotto be honest. I've been in a lot of campaigns. Um i've never heard of somebody wanted to accept performing for you. That's one thing. But to come out in indorse and speak.

i've never heard about. And so we hosted president trump twice the week before the election, once in atland in vegas. And we had the best speaker line up you could imagine. Let me in the names, Jason aldean, who is number one country court, right? Tucker krosson, bobbi Kennedy.

I mean, we had the biggest names you imagine next one we had um orono, right? Who is a the one of the nono big, big name course a we had togo viola, right? We had like really big names.

We didn't pay a single person that a single person and so I don't know what world they're living. No, I mean, and looked talk her all these guys, they could demand a huge fee. I'm going there for the country.

He said. I wouldn't charge you for this. We're going there to get done nd trump l elected. I ve never heard of a campaign or a super pack this close to an election. You know that means means they don't believe .

IT ah means .

that these celebs are not bought .

in and they're just looking at IT as of Opera peace saying, hey, you didn't pay me nine .

more I got to go back and .

try is different things this this kind of like, you know, when the lawyer does, when once you you representing somebody that you not take in any money from problem, right? This is a cause, this is a cruel say you put an event together, talkers gona tell you, pay me my one fifty, whatever the rates because of event. But if this is a campaign that you're going on, the helps correct? It's a different story.

By the way, here's a question for you. Do you think obama paid Opera? no. Do you have felt IT the part of felt that there .

was a big .

different .

SHE really believed.

by the way, this the next story I want to go on, you guys can help me out with this year to see if there's any a kind of credibility behind this. So CNN reports the fact that penny gon officials discussing how to respond if trump issue was controversial orders and there was a secret pentagon meeting. I don't if there was, if there wasn't, but there's this clipper I wanted play. And you tell me if there's any credibility behind this, if it's happened to go head, rob.

discussions are depending on, I don't know at what level this is IT just seems like it's informal discussions. I guess it's understandable they would have those discussions IT also, scot.

is that I don't like this because what's all crops supposed to think? You, he sit down, marries a personal letter. And I got to read the newspaper tonight that the unelected bureaucracy of the federal government is having meetings at some level about how to work or countermand the commander and chief. I don't care it's at the pentagon or at the hotter egg department. IT doesn't matter the unlikely bureaucracy of this government answers to the civilian and duly elected leadership that we just bit well, well, if you are in issues and you just won the popular vote, the clear Mandate, and and now you've got to read that these unlikely bureaucrats are plotting against you, what would you think if they they a reason to undermine the constitution, if they have ideas or things, they should call the presidents office and say, hey, we d like to have some discussions, planning purposes, but secret meetings that leak. Terrible way to get off to a start with the new administration.

Why I just making up in this way to do IT. However, trump has set them up to be in this situation where that he's coming after. So what do you think this is really happen? Of course.

IT, is that happened in the first administration that will happen again. Part of why i'm camping out here in south Flora for the next month and a half, and my whole family down here is to try to help. Anyway, I can look, you might hate Donald trump.

You might think that he's a terrible person, but you should never, ever justify the undermining of the united constitution just because you hate Donald trump. And by the way, donal trump was a wonderful team around him. I say Donald trump does something you don't agree with.

We have a system of checks, baLances you don't like IT. Will they get congress to do an increase about IT, get the courts to stop in. But it's not that you're allow this super government of pentagon to not fulfilled the orders that is.

And by the way, oh, well, there's a reason for IT. No, that doesn't work that way. Because of this, you're going to justify the undermining of the sovereign.

He he is the representation, the people in the government. And basically at the panacea, for example, let let's take one that we'll consider controversial and corporate media. What have the trumps es in the russian war or the pancake on would like that.

But the american people, they want IT public opinion polls. They want a Donald trump, an on IT. You want a decisive Victory on that, but the panic on doesn't like IT. So who wins? Bunch a guys in the department defense lunch, guys that have been there for twenty years and careers that think we should fight putin for the next hundred years or Donald trump o one a Mandate. What you're looking at right there is a preview of the coming tension of whose in charge the country is that the american .

people or the administrative state? Now they so we get to this point of the analysis and we're all together, right, smells bad. So what should be happening now my concern is, uh, this a deep state stripping out thing that's going to cause a huge legal nightmare or that I don't want to cover little and live through.

If Donald trump does things differently this time, just in a way that he enjoys, which is addressing the nation, addressing the media nation through the media, however, wants to do IT, this time should be different for him in terms of how he discusses the ideas. He was very reactionary. Now you can say, yeah, because you guys were attack in them all the time.

Okay, fair point. He has the ability. Now he hears about this story. He can tweet. I'm getting rid of all of them.

honest. He should but okay, secret meetings against.

okay, fine, or you can still get rid of them, right? You can always do that if he were to say they're have been meetings about whatever the issue is, okay? And we don't know and we think and say, well, here's what I want. Here's what you just said you wanted from me. I think if he speaks to the people more, and i'm not saying he doesn't do this, he likes to do this, I just think that he should be engaging on what he's going to do and less about how he is perceived.

I I is fair. I I think that there was a tip .

IT will defeat this.

But this this clip we just saw was a hypothetical bason. The reporting, they said, the pentagon is saying, if Donald trump issues something.

you know what this is? This is an invested narrative of media that he is a danger to democrat course.

And they're empowering unelected people against the people the or .

they're just running with something that makes them right about.

But IT did happen in the first time, and I I understand withdraw IT happened on a lot of different things mardonale. Trump was routinely undercut by the national security apparatus against things he wanted to do. yes.

Can I give me another example? Mark male famously came out when he was under trump, and he said, he said, I back channel with china against the wishes of Donald trump, to try to prevent a world with china, to remember that that should never happen. Yeah, generals do not command the U. S. military.

Yeah, I get that. I get. And if you think it's well intention, that's fine. Got to resign.

Or if you think yet, you resign that he's the president. That's right. Mark Miller is not the D, O, D. Chief is not because we have a structure. And what why don trump one is some voters wasn't a primary issue.

But this is for me that the whole structure the founders put together is completely in shambles, where the administrative state runs the country and the president goes, and is like a ceremonial ribbon cutting role. You kind of place president says hello, and you have this group of like two thousand people that run the government. And that that is the depth of a ma copy that continues.

Well, look, what you need to have is you need to have a top dog structure, right? But obviously, you can expect your your president to do everything. There's a lot of delegation there.

A lot of people who are running the agenda through the lens of the ideas that he campaigned on. And both things can be true. He is the man, and he have a female president someday.

He is the woman. And the team is a reflection of them, what they do, things rubio is going to be doing. A lot of things that may or may not exactly how trump put IT, you know, especially if you you smart about how he does his job.

but you can't undermine.

but you you can't undermine or leave.

If if you have a problem, then resign in protest and go ready to.

That was my be for about Kelly, who's become like a hero to the left for all the stuff he said about trump. My point is, and I got, I knew what his argument would be before he made IT. But IT was, you should have been saying this stuff when you .

were in there a hundred but and he says.

well, but then they were to kick me out. I couldn't have saved us. I don't buy IT.

Ah and by the way, you you are not tasked with saving the country from donal trump. The country wants tunnel. Trump and I have to go back to something.

A popular vote Mandate is very, very rare and very unexpected. And I don't see republican. Yes, not something for, for for a bunch of democrats to state at home they no look, doesn't ter.

He won the pipe vote and electro al that the people want him, he want on the issues. He won despite all the proper again, IT was IT was not like twenty sixteen. Where was a snick attack? This was the most talked about expected election outcome. And people heard every reason not to vote for him. And they still .

bit charly question. So when I had the president, he asked me a question. I said, so undecided voters.

And he says, there is no side of voters at this point. The car, okay, interesting. So when he say there is no underside of orders at this point, I think there's probably some.

But I wanted know what you mean by that. Let me, let me ask the question. I D want both of you guys to give me your feedback.

I want to come to you first so was was IT was IT more there is not undecided voters versus know how can you activate this audience to come out and vote that they typically don't go from thirty to sixteen percent? How can I activate these guys that are like i'm not interested in volte to go out there like I had any here on the city on the greatest boxing promotor of all time, right? And eddy said, you know, he had a fight, uh, where i'm like, what's the biggest last? He said there was a fight out that we're going to kill IT says that was a fight, was one the best fight for the five percent of superfans that actually follow boxing technically.

But he says not for the other guys that are just wanted to see a goodfriend, not to ninety five percent. And he says, my job is a promoters to activate you based on a story that I sell, that you want to come see that fight, right? How much of IT is undecided voters? How much of IT is activating new audience? That was gonna sit this out to come on to say, oh, hello, i'm going to come support the sky, which would think IT is.

So in election, two types of elections, there's persuasion elections and then there's turnout elections and turn out elections typically are mid terms or they are one off in special elections.

This is the first presidential election since probably twenty sixteen, but that was a different issue where IT was pure turnout, where there were very because everyone really had their mind made up on donal trump largely, however, I disagree, there were still some late brokers and undecided people. I do think that pool was less than two percent, though I think so. Donald trump percent is a lot to and Donald trump s campaign ratee of which we helped execute on the ground.

And some of these states was like, guys, don't spend your time knocking on doors about a suburban socket mom whose waye her options instead, because that takes nine contacts, but tried to get her nine points of contact on average, conversations, discussions, and they could be thirty minutes. And instead turning point, go spend your time in very republic lan areas where there are non registered or what we call disengage voters, people that like trump, like this world, you, for example, the road vote, right? And so this is where we spend our time.

And we we harvested, not about harvest, but we harvested in a very, very powerful way. At arizona state university, for example, we register thousands of Young men to vote in afternoons. And that was way easier than us going to try to win over swing voters. And we did a little bit of that. But generally, the trump campaign was brilliant because they throw the republican consultant blame back out.

The republican consultation playbook was spent all your time on the middle, on those like middle fifteen percent swing voters, and go all in trump campaign said, why don't we just make our base bigger? Why don't we just make the people who love us the most end? So what they looked at with demographics and they realized if we can make the elector three percent more masculine and and by the way, they were so smart .

to do this, sue and .

James blair and la. Savita, and they were so smart because they said a way to second what is more important than race, whether or not your man or woman actually dictates your political office filiation far more of a correlation than your race. So they deemphasize racial politics.

And they emphasized more a massu in mochi smoke approach. And boy, did IT work. And not only did IT work, you're unit up against a woman. So it's easier to kind of make that argument. And I don't mean a monopoly time.

but this is really interesting rookie going.

And so what the trump campaign then did the republican consult play by the crawl roof basically offered, was everything is about high propensity or two types of voters, high propension, low propensity voters. A high propensity voters is typically color educated, lives in the suburbs. They watch, they watch Chris.

They watch CNN. They've income over one hundred thousand dollars a year. They have two kids and a picket fence, and they go to socket games and they don't commit crimes.

That type of demo, right? Hyperactive voters is where the republican party has always been focused. Okay, those. But trump came and he said, no, no, no. We're gona focus on low propensity voters. The welder, the electrician, the carpenter, the police officer or the person that just not register to vote where I thought that Donald trumps was going to win and I wasn't as confidence anybody else, okay, was when I started to see the voter registration surge across the country in the summer.

Before this last summer, new people that were registering to vote, we're register ing at a clip three to one versus democrats in pennsylvania for the first time of in pennsylvania for the first time ever, we had every county in pennsylvania, we were out registering democrats for the first time ever. Now mind you, what josh po did is governor pensylvania. He put in a thing called motor voter, which means you automatically get register to vote.

They thought that was going to help them when you get your life, when you get your driver's license. IT helped republicans because of lower. Think about who's not register to vote is typically lower propensity voters.

And P, P, T, here's here. Here's the kicker. Where do these people get their information? Lower propensity voters get information on tiktok.

They're not watching CNN. They're not set. You know why these folks are darned tired by the time they get home.

They're not turning on cable news. They're watching nfl football games. They are the ones that are not going to be able to quote to you, but they're not.

By the way, it's also the phone. So what Donald trump campaign did is they hacked the twenty twenty four election. Not no way people think where they said what is? Second, everyone has a supercomputer and pocket.

Why are we worried about what? See another saying, I M as he saying, why don't we win the information war? And then finally, the kicker, they said, why don't we go on the most ambitious over the top low propensity voter communication strategy on theo von, joe rogan, milk boys, logan paul, influencer strategies, right? And so what they said is there's this hope, reserve war. And the final kicker, my Mandate at turning point was very simple charly turn trump supporters in the voters.

And that's what we did, by the way, news weak validates is I just read this article while you're speaking. Pull this up at is Donald trm flips first time voter o and this was discharged, the whole action. Watch this go.

Little law. This is very important data. Second paragraph. Among the voters asked by abc, fifty six percent of first time voters chose the republican.

Over forty three percent of first time voters chose coming up about four years ago, sixty four percent of first time voters picked biden dirty to chose trump. So that's the part. It's the selling and the conversion and the baptizing.

And getting the new people instead of that is brilliant. Because to a business guy, I going to insurance everyone's recruiting agents from each other. You come to me, I give one to, you come to one.

forget to of pro. And the democrats, the democrats doubted us because they said, only know the revoir has been tapped, that people love truth, but they don't. And you know where the kicker was for me.

And then I reaffirmed susie strategy. I went to a trump rally, and I would just take cell es, and i'd ask, are you vote? revote? One at a twenty would be like, I think so, one of a twenty P.

P. T. When we hosted the Bobby Kennedy OK, twelve thousand people show up. We registered nine hundred new voters at the event, said differently, one at a fifteen people that showed up at a Bobby Kennedy event in August before the election.

Arizona, not even, and call to action. C. T.

A mentality. You're here. You bring them in back time.

That's the key conversion that is such a, by the way, that's business mindset, that's Operation. It's not just generation talk. You're converting them.

The extra I do not go to if if you don't like the composition of the elector.

then change the let me ask you, what is the first time voters do? Do we actually know how many IT is or we don't have that number? It's millions. I mean, is that in the millions like a millions like fiber.

one to two will get you run .

get but if you can't jensie, it's definitely it's probably for ten million. But what's even more .

interesting is the non jensie first time, just ask jb T R, if IT tells us what IT.

and if you can check to see what IT .

part of IT is that this is not, this is not the first time this has been done.

Obama did IT, yeah.

And you know, IT used to be done very grass roots level of trying .

to get a new people in new. And he got fifty six to forty. You can. I mean, that's IT.

wow. So, so we expanded the pie. wow. And then we won more of that pie. This was always where democrats benefit to think about IT democrats benefit more with Younger people. That and we said, no, no, no, no, we're going to win with first time voters.

And you know what that is, Chris, here's what that is. That is hard. That's a lot of work.

Yesterday I saw eric trump on the on shine handy. And if x watching this, you not going to like what I want to say. But IT comes with respect.

I just want to know this. I look at their space and I look at my dad. I know what that face looks like. He says what he had a suit on. He looked freking money.

I said, let me tell you, I know what that face looks like, and no one's going to know accessit ful to people that are in the game. That's the face of a guy that worked eighteen hours today. You could just sit on the look.

That's the face of a guy that hasn't had a chance to celebrate a Victory yet. These guys are freaking workers the way any horse father a barry, her and I am fascinated with this guy's father. He had ten rules for life and he said, it's Better to be born lucky than good looking.

Tell the truth is easier to its easier and telling lies sure work as they can make you look like a genius. What these guys did, the level of work ethics they put, president trump looks like a genius right now. Suzi walls looks like a genius right now.

But behind closed doors, you can tell their entire team, work their asses of. The reason I opened that up with that video is because there's no way in the world the person cries like that. My, that told me on the greatest stories of all time.

IT gets me emotion every time I tell the story. But I told this thing a few thousand times. IT doesn't do anymore.

But I still makes me think about IT ready for the story. I'm a Young kid. He said, son, i'm going to teach out to be a man. I want to tell stories.

So what's that? He says, my dad didn't teach me a lot about math and politics. Stuff like that is a simple man, but hard work character.

Keep in your word. This is one day father wakes up, wants to teach her son to learn about hard work. Kid is ten years old.

This is son before the end of the day, you got to make five dollars that only ten years old. Before the end, the day you got to make five dollars. Dad, i'm telling you before the end that you got to make five dollars that goes to work.

Some goes to mom, mom, you want me to go to streets at ten years old to make five dollars? Honey, you don't worry about, here's five box. Just tell you that you need five box today that comes on.

Hey, son, did you make your five dollars? Yes, I did that. You meet to five dollars, gives a five dollars to those of five dollars in the fireplace.

burns. Kid runs to mom. Mom comes in this. What is wrong with you? That says, the reason why you got more upset than him is because you paid him to five dollars next morning, weeks up, son, you gotta make five dollars today and don't go to your mom that goes to work son goes to mom, mom he says, no, no, he's GTA burn IT.

I'm not given to you so that some becomes a beggar let's face to, he goes outside. Hey, uncle, that can. Hey, aunt.

Hey, neighbor, he begged for five dollars. Next comes home. Hey son, did you make five dollar city? Yes, I made five dollar city. He shows them dollar, dollar, dollar. Throws the money in the fireplace.

Sun starts crying, but no reaction from up says, I know you didn't gain five dollars, but also know you can make that five dollars. Listen to me, kid, you're going to make your five dollars tomorrow. Next day that goes to work, song goes out, knocking on doors and begging you, give me a job.

Anything you want out, do I need to make money? Finally, by the end of the day, one manses for every sandbag you move from here to here. I'll keep you.

Penny, this ten year old kid starts to move in, moving, move in, move in, moving. Comes back ten o'clock at night, comes home that comes up to the kid. He says, human or five dollars today says no, but I made a dollar ready.

Takes the money, thousand, thousand. And fireplace kid reaches in a fireplace to take the money that you aren't that huggs amin is a son. I know for a fact, you earn the money today.

That's why you're like this emotional because you earned IT and is painful. You became a man today. The democrats begged.

They didn't work. The republicans work their asses off. That's why was an emotional Victory for them. They busted their tales behind closed doors and you're got a freak in respect these guys, all of them, everybody that came together. You're able to convert fifty six percent in twenty twenty four, while and twenty twenty two was only thirty two percent against biden do that sheer hard work.

Seventy eight years old, his on stage were on our live event with two thousand people that we're making a bet on what time we think he's going to hit the stage at the stage at two twenty six eastern standard time. He's an eastern standard time goes up on pamby ge conventions and that we're making a bed hey, how long you think? How long you think? How long you think one or this is that and he's up there and saying, do not want to say a few words hey, susi nm OK want to say A J D, say you are thirty sex i'm just watching every like, how many people right now thinking about their pillow ever like seventy eight, ten years old, go to sleep. Guy.

he was up for seventy two hours straight.

Do you realize that the level of respect you got to have a final like that? No point that wants to do that. They just don't.

Now coming to twenty and twenty, I want to finish out with this question and will wrap up. We got seven minutes left together here. Obama, eight years, flip one supreme court seat in eight years.

And to the left, many people consider obama to go. They love them these their jesus um trump first term three, they're worry about another one that could be seven, two. I'll read the story to you. Okay, on what they're talking about with supreme court. Rob, if you can help me tell me what story this is, and I want to wrap up with this.

So, uh.

that bar perfect war over secret supreme court plot to oust solo mire, let's the story all about rob is .

is the clip. This is a berny centers. He was asked about this on meet the press .

over the weekend. They're runny p up.

senator, quickly, before I let you go, I do want to ask you about the supreme court, some democrats behind the scenes, quietly talking about the possibility should just a sort of my air step down to allow president by, into a point someone whose Younger, she's only seventy years old. Is that something that you would support to you think he should step down?

No, I don't.

Is have you heard any talk of .

this a little bit?

Yes, I don't think it's .

a sensible approach.

And you don't think it's a sensible approach.

All right.

SHE was open for .

a .

different answer .

very much to give IT to IT. Charly is IT too late.

They're running at a time also that you don't get mention or cinema is one of fifty one in the current composition. The new congress actually get sworn in on january third for that mistake. So you mean you're running at a time.

I ve got Christmas big things. You mean break. They got to pass a budget and or continuing resolution.

They're got a lot of work left to do. And so it'd be to add a supreme court hearing on top of that. Find a candia vit.

Get IT through. Go to the floor. I mentioned in sima, well.

almost assuredly not put up with and also I would block IT like IT with mary grown well.

mccan is not the senate majority leader.

not he is until they pick a new one.

know the tumor senate majority leader till .

january the right. But i'm saying like they're can come up and make noise. Your noise creates time .

yeah and they could definitely do parliamentary precise. I don't think .

this talking about my company is IT true that he's trying to accelerate the process of rick Scott, uh IT taken over the influence over someone else. Is that, is that really happening?

Mcconnell fluency. Rick Scott, no meaning.

He would rather have if they have a senate majority for the republicans. He would rather have somebody on establishment side.

Ah, he can stand, works, got me or not.

So who is that? That he's looking soon .

OK soon is mcconnel corny is one issue is how .

much does IT matter who meconic wants a matters .

to the twenty six senators that are endorsing soon, Michael influences is waning. Thankfully, the senate is by far the most frustrating institution i've ever had to deal with. There are all these independent franchise that kind of march to be at their own drum not to don't nessa listen their voters.

But yeah, this look, the senate leering election is tomorrow and IT will tell us a lot. I don't do not be surprised if he goes to multiple ballot. I do not think they're going to allow the cormick to sit for IT, which therefore means that IT will be fifty three.

So they do the senate leadership election as if the senate will look on january third, right? So it'll be fifty three senators. Therefore, you need twenty seven to get a majority. My math break, I don't think .

anyone twenty right? So if that's the case, trump flips another one. That's 4， that is two. That is at ten, twenty thirty possibility.

Yes, will not only that, don't be surprised. Clear Thomas eeda, go get sign and get forty year old justice. I mean that that would be a very strategic .

and which which was the pressure point on obama with R.

P, G, in a lot of lives are upset that if there's .

anybody that can influence that, it's him. By the way, before we wrap up, I want to give a quick shot up to an artist that I emailed seventeen years ago. I have my, do you really is john mcnorton who, uh, has many paintings? Ks, he's done.

okay. This is one of them that he did. And if you zoom in here, you'll see trump right there in the middle, you're in James washington, you see rush limbaugh his left, you'll see, uh uh, tucker with the foot uh, up.

You will see charlie curt with the hand out, you know uh you'll see a bunch of different guys in there and he just did a recent painting grab. If you can go to the other one, no way. He has a new one.

Yeah, you can go. That's charly right there. If if you can go to another one, he did this one. I just bought the one of one. I think I just think it's an same thing.

You're inspire me to .

buy more of this that this one click on a grab to zoom in, click on the yeah go zoom in into this one is called mad, mad man. A look at this, the people that are in IT, even rogan in IT. I think i'm in the other one with you, charity to your left.

And I think i'm in this one a way as well. If you zoom in right behind, is that the capital zoom in all the way? And right there, you're see tucker, you'll see rogan, you'll see mosque, you'll see myself, you'll see joe, you see me show, you see your bite and shaky and with somebody. But this guy's work is .

Lucy gram with .

the ukrainian. It's about you .

and zilli ski with money with this .

is absolutely wide. So we're going to put the link below this.

is that the next level.

I think this guy's work is great, if you like, good art. This is right outside of office in a new building, by the way, that we have. I supported this guys.

You work for seventeen years, and I think people need to know about the link will be below. And alas, ban only guys, remember merry Christmas. Go to V T, more stock com.

Sport your merry Christmas gear this holiday season. And if not, you buy for your husband, buy for your wife, by for your kids. Let's represent this proudly.

Kay jank charlie E I wish, say, long ger, I got to do my show. Chris, you guys, this was great. Spending time with you guys.

You guys were phenomenal. Hopefully guys will do stuff together as well. Couple as everybody.

Bye bye.