"Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511
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I want to start off by saying this is a very disturbing, uncomfortable interview to watch. If you're watching us with your kids there, twelve, ten, fourteen years old, this is not the one for them to watch. This is eighteen and above.

If later on you feel comfortable, as appeared to have them watch to do IT, uh, you're going to see every emotion in here. There was extreme tension. A, in certain moments, tears, laughter, tension, debate.

I have to bring my booker in, tony, because some of the accusations that were made to clarify certain areas, and tony came in here, some of SHE SHE shared some names. SHE is never shared before. Two of the names that he was a sex worker for.

I don't, you can even say, sex workers at ten years old, human trafficking. One of them, SHE claims, who was a powerful billion, you know, the name, that he would go to the builder work events party in europe, and he had abused ers. We had sex with her at nine, ten, eleven years old.

And he would come back and report these stories back to the billionaire, what that information was used for. You know obviously your imagination can take you to where you want to take IT. But ah the reason why I wanted to have this conversation not is this is not a podcast. You want to sit them.

I can't wait to watch this one here, but I think we have to because, you know, with a three hundred and fifty nine thousand missing children in amErica as of twenty twenty two, according to the FBI, what else do we need to do just around and not talk about? And no, no, you know what? She's too disturbing to watch, just too disturbing to watch someone's kid is missing.

Do we not bring lie to? Do we not address that? I just feel it's all responsibility.

Ly, and every once in a while I do this because I think it's our responsibility to bring attention to IT. And many of the positions that he took and claims he made, multiple were prime ministers. Multiple were billion's.

These are her claims. And while we're going through, he was push back on some of the claims. But I advise you to go to your new diligence, your own research, while you going through this. At the same time, while it's not easy to talk about these types of stories, IT takes a lot of courage to talk about IT. I also don't want to sit there and, you know, claim everyone's guilty.

I believe in is to approving guilty, but I believe go to your research and your own do diligence on the names that she's drop in and that will help you understand for yourself as well, especially if you're somebody that's interested in this specific issue. As much as I am, I do think it's something that we need to bring more attention to. Having said that. Enjoy this uncomfortable interview that I had with ana lucas.

They wanted to control everybody.

Did you ever meet him?

Meet him? Oh yeah.

What was you like?

Or horrendous packed. He loved being behind the scenes, creating this, a lid sex leave. Who was gna make him millions.

hundred, fifty billion of your industry?

No, no. This is a global elites network with specific people in IT. They're not all friends, so there can be in fighting happening as well.

Mind control training at nine years old. Yeah, why did they take you there?

Ritual.

likely related or business?

No celebrity.

You never talked about this.

I never said his name. I can't just follow these names. Have I have to be a person .

we would know.

definitely know the name a life?

Or did I didn't think that this .

was gonna the kind of conversation we were going?

So the audience doesn't think i'm cornering you. You told tony that you wanted to name names. I I know I .

didn't see that at all.

Come on, tony. So when you told me, you said he said he wanted a name, names that she's never named before.

I'll tell you something. I was trained as a spy that week. I was sleeping with men and I would go report on their weaknesses or their sexual .

preferences .

that i'm not saying.

Did you?

I know this .

lives for me.

Look what?

Okay, so today's story will be very uncomfortable to listen to, but it's a story that we all must be willing to have the courage and the toughness to listen to some stories. You just like you like mine. I have so many things going on in my life.

I don't want to hear story like this, but IT happened in america. According to the FBI, there are three hundred and fifty nine thousand ninety four entries for missing children. As of twenty twenty two, we don't hear a lot about IT, you know, when we had George floyd incident, everything shut down.

Every mainstream media talk about IT two billion dollars of damages. Local business owner IT had to be on all of our minds. But here's a question for you.

Three hundred and fifty nine thousand children missing. Tell me what's more important than talking about something like no one to talk about IT. why? At uncomfortable, the audience says when to hear the story? Come on, just leave IT alone.

Let's talk about politics and trump and economy, all the other which chose to talk about IT. And today's guess as a brave woman who has been talking about the sport of last eleven years, some of you may have heard the story before. A, some of you may have not. There are certain things she's going to say today she's never said before, and that takes a lot of courage to take. But uh, i'm i'm looking forward to having this conversation with another look is thank you so much for being here with us on the podcast.

My pleasure.

So um I go through the story and for a person that reads this, you think it's a movie, you don't think it's real. When IT says traffic as a Young child at six years old sold by her own mother to belgian pedophile ring and you count the number of hours you were raped that I saw and used your words when you say the six hours a week, one thousand seven hundred and sixteen hours before the age of twelve, I listened to that unlike that is unbelievable to hear someone go through IT, but that's your life. So if you don't mind, and I know this is not easy to do, if you don't, might take in a few minutes and sharing with the audience your story and I will take IT .

from there a few minutes.

We'll be together for two hours but the story okay yes.

essentially my mother was um mentally ill. I guess he never diagnosed and he was single at first and I was abused very early on. He was married when I was three.

And then first this couple came and into our into our lives. The woman was a cleaning lady, and SHE and her husband would take me on out tings when I was five had started. And so that went on for whole year.

I didn't like them. I never wanted to go. I had to, my mother, had my brother, then and after a year, they took me, well, they took me to event.

And IT was immediately extreme, and I was in a castle. IT was horrific. And my.

Mother, my mother, I tried to tell her that bad things that happened, you know, I didn't have the the language of sleep. I was just around my six birthday. And my mother then took over from these pimps.

SHE then started driving me to locations. SHE would receive a call. SHE drive me.

I found a little that he was paid. And these were in belgium for three years. I was the traffic in belgium. In the head of that I call IT. The network in belgium was the minister of national defense at the time. Paul founded vance and um he used the children to get new people bin and also to give them sometimes to really you know to black mail.

He said he was the national defence. He became a two time prime minister later. So this is before he serves as prime ministers .

might have been after also he served twice. So yeah, i'm not .

sure before and after yeah yes. So at this point, when this is happening, you know who? No.

I did anybody at the moment in that time. At that time, I didn't know any who anybody was, a no idea.

How did you learn about who they .

were afterwards?

How though .

we're very easy to find most of them, we're very easy to find. I would just know if I remember the name and just started remembering people are thanks to google, really just starting to google and finding them very easily.

just the faces you would recognize our so what was the method?

Yeah yeah. Looking for their positions. I would know, whatever I had, I would type that in. And then usually they would come up right away. That was the surprise. That was the big surprise, really, that I had no idea that they were this prominent when I was a child.

And when when this has happened to at the time you, they don't have a name, they're not coming you with the .

name you don't know here I called him polo, polo, but his name is paul, but there's other children that name him something else so I call him paul. And then some people, I knew their first name um but yes, they are very visible. Some i've found out from quite a few perpetrators when they die because then they're in the newspaper and I suddenly see their picture.

So how many them you know about when they were alive? You said that this person, that's that person when they were alive.

well, actually have a recognized quite a few when they died. And that's not only, I think, because I may have remember certain things, but I may have not remembered who they were specifically to keep myself safe in some um strange way that the healing that then followed. And I just understood that IT wouldn't have been safe. I wouldn't been able to to to keep myself safe if that makes sense because the the healing process is so involved and IT does there certain perpetrators? I was very attached to emotionally, and I know that maybe very hard to understand and believe, but I was very attached emotionally to some of these, which were like fathers.

What was your relationship with your father?

Like my my biological father, I didn't meet until much later. I never met him.

How will you the first time?

Metal eighteen. And so so he didn't. And then my stepfather was the man who closed his eyes to all my mother's activities. And they, my brother is his. And I think the reason my brother wasn't traffic was maybe because he was clearly more interested in my brother, so he just really close his eyes.

But I did try to tell him, and I write that in my book, by the way, I did try to tell him, and he didn't believe me when I was a child, saw my mother would. He was a way, a lot. He was a camera man.

He was travelling a lot. But when he was there, he would literally get out of their bed, and then I would be ready in my bed. And then he would let the car drive down, just let IT, let IT, let IT without turning on the engine, just to be quiet.

And then at the, at the bottom of them and a drive way, he would start the motor and to drive me to events, and then he would pick me up around dawn. That was how IT usually worked. And he was asleep in bed.

And, you know, I felt later. Maybe he thought he was having affairs. He was doing that also, but he never wondered. And SHE made up stories also about what had happened to me. And for example, at one point he started saying that I was a real tomboy and then I was climbing in trees, which I never did and I was not a tomboy. But um SHE was saying that because I was covered in in blues in improves and so that explained IT and then he accepted whatever .

he said when your mom is dropped you off or picking you up the first time this happened, how is SHE explaining to you? Like are you pleading a same? Mom, please don't take me any more to place like this.

I don't want to go there. And if you said that, what did he tell you? 哼。

Well, I think my mother's a psychopath that he really had one victim. That was me. So I was an extension that deserved all her rough. So I am, i've said I wasn't gonna go and SHE dragged me by my hair one time, but most of the time, because I was her little helper, I was trying to please her more than anything. And then my mother was extremely statistic.

But did you have ever played and say, mom, please don't take me today.

Please don't take me today. I said, I, I, I, I once said .

i'm not going .

SHE dragged me by my hair. SHE would get very anxious before we left. But of course I was gonna go.

I would. You understand children, and you have children. You, you children are gonna do whatever you know. I was doing everything to please her. I was trying, SHE was the person I was most attached to.

So I was trying to tell myself that he loved me because you have to know that your love as a child. And so I was trying to please her as much as possible. So of the time, I was gonna do anything against her.

But there was another release that with my mother, because he never saw me, he just saw whatever he saw was an extension, some something that just was nothing, had nothing to do with me, because he didn't see me at all. I was, I was receiving more reflection of things that were true about me by these bedrooms iles, in the network, Frankly, that we're seeing intelligence or they were seeing beauty. And so at times I was actually more comfortable. IT was Better to be in the network than to be with my mother because that constant projection of hers was very difficult to live with.

So this entire time when you when she's dropped and you often pick you up, you you're not controlled like it's you know you see IT in the movies where the owner has you in a room upstairs and people come in and out and they handle their business and your away from mom and that that's not the case. This is momma's drop and you often come in to pick you up at dawn.

Yeah so IT was different in net way that my mother was not in the network herself, although he wanted to SHE looked up to these people. He would have done anything to belong. But because I think of particular way that her mental illness showed, SHE was almost too enthusiastic.

SHE would not have been able to keep a secret, so SHE didn't get in. But I was as if he was envious that I was was IT was if he was sending me in her dead, that he would have wanted that kind of sexual attention. That's really what SHE wanted all the time. The sexual attention.

how was her her relationship .

with her mom and dad? SHE was born in thirty nine before the war. Her mother died into his five just after the war and um so her father, who might didn't know was inappropriate. He did one thing to me that was inappropriate so her.

her father.

so he grew up in a town in belgium during the war, in her early years, during the war, and then lost her mother at a very early age. And I can only assume that there was sexual abuse happening, because that's how SHE always acted. I have gone through more than thirty years of healing from sexual abuse, all kinds of sexual abuse.

And so that journey of healing, which is really, you know, what makes me aware of these things that, you know, he acted like someone who was sexually abused and and had never understood that he was more than that. You know, when you get as a child, there's something that happens when you're a child and you're innocent and you're the light of god and you are you are innocent and your innocent is your true self. That's that's who you are.

That's you're light and when you're sexually abused. It's like you feel that you've lost a innocence and that you could never have IT back. There's the trauma of sexual abuse is such that you know, you know what trauma means.

You're gonna hope. You wish that IT was yesterday. There's a big loss. You just wanted to be the day before when this didn't hadn't happened yet. You just want to go back with sexual abuse.

It's like they steal your light, they steal your life, they steal your innocence. And you feel that you've lost IT because you're a child and you don't know that you don't deserve this because you assume that you did. And then there are the children that can never get back to that light.

And the network in the way that the network Operate is all to keep you in the dark. And it's run by people that are not in touch with themselves on that pure level, on that level of I am light, I am a child of god. And when that's lost, when the abuse gives this message that I am, I have to put out sexually in order to be loved, then you get this message then that's how you get validated. That's how you want your attention. And my mother acted like that, like someone who had no connection to herself, and who was just constantly, constantly trying to get sexual validation from all men.

So you, you and your mother, from six years old till what age was IT till eleven years old. This is happening when you say six hours a week. That's the specific number you gave gave .

that specific number. But it's obviously as an approximation, IT wasn't every week. And some look, sometimes IT wasn't every week, but other times I was gone for the summer of one thousand nine hundred and seventy two. I was gone two months from home. I wasn't home at all.

Were you at? You were with the traffickers.

I was with the traffickers. I was the first month, no, the first month I was in united states, being traffic in the united states by powerful billionaire who was basically trio ging me and training me in his homes. Who is this? I'm not saying who that is yet. I have to be careful what I say. I can just follow these names.

I have be a person we would .

know definitely.

You know the name alive or did dead?

He was um you know he was taking me here. I was in the united states, so I was either in his homes, three of his homes I spent time in or I was in the room in the daytime, sometimes in in a bedroom, or I was even at a families near D. C.

For a week, basically parked in a family, nice family that treated me well, probably satanic family, and that we're very happy to do a favor for this man. And then um I was after that was taking to germany, and I was there for another month in a facility in hindi. G for what was my mind control training? And this is one thousand nine hundred seventy two, and I was nine years old.

mind control training at nine years old. Yeah, why did they take you there when .

I met this billionaire? So in one thousand nine hundred and seventy two, you had a builder bird meeting that happened in. So for that event, both and buns made sure that he probably did many things around there. But basically to please this powerful american that was there for the build berg meeting, he staged A A ritual.

And so why would they need .

to train you though the mind control training? He had plans for me. and. All right, I can say something, you, that he had me in his homes and everything to get me used to the life of the elite, so that I would know how to eat, so that I would recognize good clothes, so that I would be comfortable in this environment. And a long side that we went to one of the islands on the northeastern coast, the united states, and saw there. And this was a rough child who was there .

schild a ross.

yes.

So i'm .

saying we were with every for one day only. And IT was clear that this billionaire, who you would think is just as powerful as this rod child, was not as powerful in the network as he was. And he was asking for permission to make the star that he wanted to make of me.

Well, he didn't wanted make me into a star. He wanted to make me into an IT leads six leave. Well, I would become famous and friends. And then with that role, I would attract the most powerful men in the world, and I would be able to spy on them for him. And so for was that .

David rock fella?

I'm not saying i'm not saying I can't say this. sorry.

Only reason I say that is because I pulled up the list from twenty twelve attends and I went through all the guest on the right that as us from the build the work meeting. Okay, well, if you go a little bit women and you put U S, you're right there. You see the names that shows.

I know this is.

No, I can't lie, but um. That's scary.

Yeah, might as well. Okay, there you go.

You never talked about this.

I never said his name.

You know, you again, you hear these stories and you wonder, and there, there's no way these people are capable of doing something like that. At what point did you know that was him?

Many died twenty .

seventeen? Yes, so you did a note of twenty seventeen.

but I knew a lot. But I didn't know that was him.

How did died was years ago?

mediately? I knew immediately and the size face, and that's all I saw his face. And then immediately a lot of other memories came back with him.

How much time did you spend with them?

Well, I spent quite a lot of time with him in the beginning. So from seventy two to seventy three, this was this training. So I spent quite a lot of time with him in the, in the U S.

In that first month in a july of nineteen and seventy two and um spend time spend time in his um a statement west chester and also in his home in new york city and also in his a home in men and um on the way two men on his cell book and we stopped off at the rod shield who had to give his permission for the persona and he wanted to make out of me and then rushed, invited me into the family and I gave my I I I certainly I I had not been treated very well up until then so suddenly I get a very nice invitation I feel. You know, even the straining, even though there is a lot of sixth training. Also, let's not make any mistakes here.

This is not like that was just being suddenly being treated really well. I was being trained sexually as well, but I was the best i'd ever seen in my life at eight, nine. And when I was invited, I treatment of elites .

like lifestyle, wealth. Is that what you mean? A treatment? no. In the first .

three years in the network, by profound moon, once I was treated like absolute piece of dirt.

What I was the .

lowest of the low. He always treated me like, you know, he wasn't worth the time for him to even like sort of like heaven. I don't know doing them on is sol or something, you know and he just had to pull IT off and just just resented having to spend any time on me but he was selling me all over or whatever he was doing.

He was using me for blackmail for people that were supposedly new or he was giving me to um deprive the risk craters. But he didn't wanna you know, I was treated most of the time. I was treated like I was absolute piece of dirt, like I had .

no value at all.

He beat, but not did not get sexy, abused by him. He was extremely statistic. So he did not actually abuse me. He abused other children though, and. I.

I don't remember being sex abused by him, but but he and a few others that were in charge there just really would treat me like the lowest of the law. So I was used to sort of knowing that I was then that was their fault. They were.

I knew that they treated me that way, but I know that i'm human. So I didn't really fully take IT seriously. And I was kind of playing the game to survive, playing this game of whatever they needed me to do.

I was doing IT. And then in one thousand hundred and seventy two, suddenly, three years later, I got, you know, treated is very special. And this treatment had a lot to do with the excitement that David rock felt, felt over the fact that he, he loved being behind the scenes, creating the slave, this ellide slave who was gonna make him millions.

And I was already sold in the first year. In that year, in that year, tilly, I, you know, I gave my will to the rod child, and he has specifically, you know, he ask, will you be part of the family and I said yes. And he asked me to say, I will give my will, and a year later I did not give my will anymore. That's why i'm here that I got. yes.

Why would rock feller do that if he's got billions at the time? That's a very powerful family.

He was a peppe, first of all. And families .

and the actual.

I don't think, was a pedophile. David, he was more powerful, but he was not a pedophile. David rockefeller, a pedophile.

There's a lot of survivors. I work with survivors. There are a lot of survivors out there. David, rock filler. But I saw him in a certain light, and i've met one other person.

Now that we name David rock pillar, we can, I can tell you that the place we are taken in germany in hyder bag the doctor that was in charge, their hardhold son. I have met another survivor that was also a special project of David rock filer and harmful son, who was the doctor in charge there. He was there too, as a special project of him. And he also came across harms, harmon.

harmon.

harm, harmful H A R M S N. yes. There you go. There you go. And who was he? He was, I think, that he was in charge of the special project of David rock fell for the mind control training. And I know one other survivor who went to similar experiences myself later on.

Did you ever meet him?

Meet him? Oh yeah.

What was he like? Horrendous packet.

okay. The way that you're trained in my control training is based on torture. What I was used to doing as a child, six slave, was to please men in some way or other to get on their wavelength so that they wouldn't harm me so that I could survive with him.

I never got anywhere, I never got through. And at all most of these pedophiles you could get through in some way. There's some way in which, you know, I get sense intuitively how what I needed to do to please them. So with him, there is nothing that I could do to get through to him.

He was just completely mean and vicious and one thing that he would do is um I was forced to watch certain things to learn about man's behavior whether IT was one IT was their weakness or their sexual preferences or there there are sexual um perversions perversions. They are sexual perversions. So we're not talking about regular sexual.

We're talking about sexual perversions to recognize those. And so I was watching, was forced watched films. And first I would see the man in the behavior, just his face, and then seeing you in the behavior, different things.

And then I would need to get, based on the face, what this person would do. And if I got IT wrong, he one thing that he did is he would just struggle me until I fainted. And in the painting, he would yeah.

He would yeah. And in the painting, he liked the struggle and the ending. I would. Realized after willet is near death experiences that my intuition was sharpening, and so IT was punishment for not giving the right answer.

But IT was also part of the training to be able to get more intuitive and sense things without having to use your reason. And one thing he did was he would strangle me. And but first he would say, but I just does, what does this mean? And he would point, point at his own face.

And then he would struggle me. And so his face to me means being strangled or IT did. That's how the programmable work. So when I actually came across this photo, I um felt like I was dying and and I took a long time and I do a lot of yoga and meditation and I had to really just go into the breathing and really, really just. Work through that programmatic that seeing his face means you're gonna die from strangulation gonna a fix .

IT he wanted you to .

know that that is how programmatic works in the network that you know IT and your body has a reaction and also IT is a way to get you from a to whatever they need to go. So if this prompt means that and that was in hyda bag, he I don't you know, he wasn't there all the time. Most of the time, there were three handlers that we're doing this.

So if you go back to that, rob, that says, right there, he was a bureau crat and the nazi germany. He was responsible for proving ug ic ization performed on the disabled. He supported Foster sterilization of the mentally handicapped and helped to Carry them out to protestant inner mission institutions for which he was responsible.

David rock failure also was a new genus.

So when you're with David rock foo, are you in their estate? Are you in their house? Are you around their family? And if you are.

who around their family? No but I was around um I was in three of his the states I said and I was around his staff did their staff .

know what was going on with you or no.

I was in bed with him and they acted like nothing was happening.

You weren't bed with .

them and the staff knew and was there and they were just acting like that was all Normal. I went shopping on medicine avenue with him. He he bought me some dresses and some clothes and everybody you can imagine. I really so happy to see him, so happy to serve him.

You don't think they're going to think it's weird that a Young girl is with a very powerful billionaire.

I don't think today people would think that was weird because there's such a great desire to please those people. But this is one thousand hundred and seventy two. Nobody thought anything I could have been taken anywhere out in the open.

A lot of IT was out in the open, and nobody would have thought a single thing. These people were just so happy to serve him. He told his staff that I was his knees from paris. Who cares?

While they are seeing you in bed with them.

Well, he didn't say IT then, but they did he, but they actually like that. Nothing was happening. I don't know if they were also controlled or if they were the right kind of personality, I don't know. But I saw a woman in a Butler, a woman in a man, only those two. And that was in the house in new york.

How did they? You.

very nice.

They were good to you.

very.

How was he to you?

Well, most of the time he was extremely, he had this excitement. So so a pedophile gets excited around children. And so there's a way in which they can start to feel alive when they were children because it's their own little child that maybe is dead inside of them that is starting to come to life.

And because they relate to children in that way, they see they are trying to revive their own deadness, which dead from abuse, or whatever IT is, you know, they're trying to revive something. So they're seeing children at a certain age, usually the age that they were abused. And he was excited, and he was excited not only of being around me and and of course, the child is also not somebody who's gonna point out your flaws, right? A real partner will point your flaws to your flaws.

And he had a sleeve who was already a child slave who was, you know thinking the world of him and that made him feel really good. So um he was excited and he was also excited at the idea of what he was making me into because this persona that he was creating that I was supposed to be a french singer, actress and. He was excited to be the the secret man owner behind that personal gh.

And and I was sold during that year already when I was still suppose idly in training to become that persona. I was I was already probably sold. I mean, I was given to a german chancellor at the time that was called kissinger, who who I was driven to germany.

So the belgians were, the belgian handlers would drive me to germany. And then I would spend time with good key singer, you know, who would take me to like, little hotels and. Again, no questions as yeah him, before he became a chance.

served as a minister, president of nineteen fifty sixth president, federal council, statistically was a chairman of Christian democratic union from sixty seven to seventy one. And David introduce you to him.

Everybody introduced ed, me, I was just taken there. You were just taken. Child, six slave is not introduced, you know, doesn't happen that way.

But the belgian handlers would take me, they would drop me off on the side of the road, and then he would pick me up, and then I would get in a car with him, and then he would drive me, and then we would arrive. And again, I was trained. So I knew how not to dw attention to myself, but also he learned, he taught me to speak german. He was very unnamed red, and he might might have been pain.

So i'm looking at this, you know, when we're looking at some research, common methods used by traffickers, false promises of employment, educational romantic relationships to isolation.

This is different.

separating victims from family to increase dependency. Three threats and violence using physical armor. Threats against the victim of their loved ones, debt bondage, creating a sense of and deadness that the victim feels obligated to repay. Psychological manipulation, employing tactics like gas lighting to control the victim's perception of reality.

Yes, but you see when you're talking about the network, which again, you know, you have David rock fella, you have the rod child, you have the belgians, who are you connecting to that network? We're talking about a global network of people of a combination of psychopaths and Peter and you know, far gone pedophiles that are sadness. And they.

They sell their sota to sitting and they want control. They have the resources. A lot of the children that are born into these families are abused from the beginning and our mind control as well.

They are also tortured um because what they do other than the the the sort of like Normal kind of trafficking is that you you get in and neither you are. What I was in the beginning that your life means nothing and you be you could be killed any time. That was the first three years.

But then once he took notice of me, and which was in a very strange circumstance, the rock fellow, once he took notice of me, and he was going to then use me for his purposes, then I would have been part of the, what I call a global network, where I would have been completely controlled as a star. That's where the mind control comes in. And then, you know, using my natural talents and abilities and blood to an create a person that is completely in their control, well, they have been created the same way, you know.

And all these people are crazy that see this is the everything goes into the P R of presenting an image that is really acceptable. And then everything goes into the P R of, you know, it's not as if David rock filler didn't have access to the to the press. So what these people were part of this murder tworog, they use their resources to control their image and that, of course, that someone like me should never have too much rich.

And what we don't understand is that IT is one network. And and of course, there's the if their friends, they are connected a lot through black mill because the sadness, there's what I call sincere sadness, who really sell their solar city. And they have rituals and they are sacrifice is being made.

And then there are those that just want to belong to the club of power. And you know and and IT depends in the network in belgium. Well, IT depends if someone gets sucked in, you know, you have your integrity and you have your ideals and you start out.

And then what happens? You know, if you get into that club, you will be as to make choices and either its power and you stay with the club or its its your integrity means that you cannot do this anymore. You cannot lie in the beginning. It's to just like be quiet about what you see uh, having to do with sexy abuse usually. And then as IT goes on, IT becomes you know you you get involved, you get you have to you're participating and of course it's not everybody that is going to be manipur as a pedophile because not everybody is going to uh rape a child um but those who don't they are they know and they give quiet about IT so that's how IT works and how long where with .

David rock fella one month or did you see again after that?

I did see him again after that. I saw again after the training and I saw again, especially a year later, in April, I saw him seventy .

three or seventy, seventy two.

seventy three. Now, April of seventy three, I saw him in italy. And there, that's where I saw the most people that I recognized later. There were actually a lot of singers there. There are a lot of people that were in the entertainment industry and this was is my coming out I was singing .

I I I performed .

vero songs a and then .

to its a beautiful, amazing and it's beautiful favor and the way that that song was sing by um I think who lio glaciers, I think think they converted IT in english. The meaning of the song is actually very interesting. The first time he saying that song on T. V, he died at a very Young age.

He died rather Young yet, but he was alive then. And IT was a popular song.

Was he there .

at the event? No, no, I never thought like hell, but I was singing the song. And what I had been trained by, a famous french composer singer, and he had showed me the choreography. Now I didn't fully understand what was happening, but this choreography, I was sexualized every line of that song. So you have the line, for example, I remember um view there's a line about the old volcano o that nevertheless still spouts fire and that for that I remember I to go sit on an old man's lap and had to look down on his genitals because that's the old volcano that's spouts fire that's still spout fire in front of everybody that was that .

that was the audience .

yeah and and that this is an audience of people that were in the sphere of rock fellow, obviously but this is like a seta ic gathering. I mean, these were people that were in this club and whatever, for whatever reason, they wanted to be there, whether IT was for fame or whatever. You know.

when you're doing that, are they laughing? Or they just like all .

this great performance, laughing. No, no, laughing. Everybody laugh at the six jokes of the nine year old.

ABS, absolutely. You at the time? yes. OK. And who's there some of the names that you're saying?

Who's there at this? Well, okay, I know you really want to hear names, and I really don't like to focus so much on the names, but E D Arnold was an, was an american perpetrator that was there. And I D Arnold was, yeah.

So I D Arnold with somebody who really, really, really wanted to belong to the club. And I don't know how people got in there. There's some of them are coming through mainly some of them are coming in in other ways because they get famous and then they get lord in. But he just really wanted to belong.

Now we belong to the club, meaning just to be the power. But abusing his no.

he abuse me. I mean, yeah, yeah, he abused. That week. So there was an, an, an entire week. And I was basically given to a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of men there. Meanwhile.

horrible things were happening.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, lots of horrible, horrible things were happening. There was rituals happening.

IT was like the only thing I can, the only thing I can, uh, compare to us, maybe like, I think of a diane's an orgy. You ever read the books of mary? Mary were okay. SHE has described once, and I don't even remember which a book, but he described a danial origin and was like, I was back there. IT goes on for days and days and.

But if I look online, there's literally nothing online about accusations about that. You are not.

Can you say you're not gonna ably? I know a lot of survivors of the rock filter, but I don't think you're gonna find any accusation online about David rock fellar. It's all about cover up. IT is very, very good. All the investment, all the money goes, not all the money, but IT goes a lot to the image you ve you gave .

a couple of the names to me earlier. Um I don't want to say that until you're comfortable but one of the names was a you know another famous politician from the west yeah, how do you meet him?

He was also there that week.

He was also there that week.

yeah.

And what was the interaction with you?

scary.

Was his wife also involved just him?

I didn't see his wife or I don't know, I don't I didn't see anybody else but him.

Will you vividly remember him? And when did you know that was him later on? Because at the time you're nineteen and years.

yeah again, this came much, much later. I don't remember exactly when I, when I realized that was him.

You don't remember when he came to you later that was peer.

No.

just ensure those father, right? This you're talking and yes.

and. I mean, you have you've never mention his name before, right? Trudeau, what was that relationship like or the experience like? Was that a one day thing? Was that a repetitive that happened?

All right, i'll tell you something. David rock feller had me trained as a spy, so I was a six leave, of course, and I was a little six leave now. And I was trained as a spy through the mind control training. And so that week I was sleeping with men. And then I would go report on their weaknesses or their sexual preferences to David rock, fella.

why did you need that information? Is that how to black male use a later on and negotiation.

for example? Or if he knows what they want, and you can give IT to them sexually? So about twitter, I said. That I could never please him as long as I was alive. That has Carry, that was.

you could never play .

them if I was, if I was alive.

What trudeau, what does that mean? That means .

that he couldn't kill me because at that point I was not a true way child and he um he's scared me enough so that I then tell rock feler that that's what he wants a child kill. Then you understand that the next time. He can, if he wants to use that, can use that information.

So how many of these celebrities did did abuse you during that specific event that you were free to come back and report to David?

Oh god, I don't even even remember I was very busy. And at that time, and you know, I want to specify that when I was in belgium, I always had a distance from the perpetrators, and I always knew that they were wrong and that I, you know, was a human being, and that they even though they treated me like nothing, that I actually. You know, wasn't worth being treated that way.

I knew that when I was mind control trained, which is based on science, you know it's horrendous science from, you know, probably related to some of the experiments that we're done in the camps. And I knows extremely, when I went into the mind control training, there was no guessing, there was no experimental IT was just done very precisely to get the result that they wanted so that i'm a high functioning machine for their purposes. And I did not, at that time, have the distance to understand.

That I didn't want them anymore. I thought now at the age nine, I believed that I was this persona. And that I was doing this, I didn't. We've called IT abuse. Does that make sense to you?

Yeah, I mean, you become immune to IT. It's like a mobster that kill somebody so many times. If you watch an interview with Richard co. Linski, I think, Richard, what is last embro I think i'm saying IT right, ice man, and you see in interviews when he's killing people, it's no longer um well.

that's the network. You know in the network this happens. And you know when you go to any game, you have these little kids that get pulled in and it's either kill or die and then so they get pulled in that way. And it's the same in the network, you know, with pedophilia. But let me.

let me stay on this with you here. So you then give me a name, you said a woman. You then give me a name, you said a woman who would be seen as very innocent.

Because most of the time we're thinking about this, you're thinking about man. Was this woman also at the same event? SHE would have to be in her eighties and nineties today, politically related or business.

no celebrity. Celebrity that I told you, no one would believe, no one would believe IT.

But and this was in seventy three. It's fifty one years and seventy year .

fifty one years ago, yes.

That nobody would believe.

nobody would believe today. no. And what such an icon, you know, this is that we all have icons, right? We all have people that we look up to. And every icon that I had personally, people I never saw in the network as I was only there for five years, you have to understand that's a short time. I worked with people that we're in much longer, that we're born into IT, that we're in much longer.

Every icon that I ve had, almost every icon I have had to let go of, because I found out from somebody that i'm working with completely private healing work that we do together. I really wish that we could talk more about the healing because I feel like, oh yeah, I feel like we're talking a lot about names. And I really, the healing is so important, that is, I think the reason that I can speak is because i've yields so much and and I understand things that most people don't understand. And I like to speak about those things like how that really works in everything in the mind, because I was being trained to become like them and then I chose not to.

Yeah, I mean, it's it's and by the way, I wanted speak about that as well. And i'll see your book as we're going through this. Just trying to sit here and know you and I were talking right what it's like most people don't want to talk about about IT everybody you've mentioned so far, I had a guy in an interview with and he started to tell him me all these weird stories.

And I want I I want to believe all the stories is telling me, because some of IT is actual word when you we use, unbelievable. And the stories would get more and more and more exaggerated ated. But there was one pattern, everybody he ever said anything about, they were all dead. So they couldn't defend the story, right? They couldn't do.

I don't just go and tell stories. First of all, I mean, it's taking me most of my adult life that even be ready to speak that the two case happened in one hundred and ninety six. I was encouraged to speak up then in nineteen and ninety eight, when survivors of the same network that in belgium started speak out.

The the two case took eight years ago to trial, and then they were left with marked to his wife and two others. Michelle lihou o was one of the defendants, Michelle hou I saw in the network. He was there than too.

I was not gonna speak out. I was not ready. I was afraid as afraid to speak out.

And also, I knew that I wasn't ready. I, it's not something you wanna talk about. First of all, I am a really good writer.

I really wish that I could have written stories that would be interesting and well written, and I would be appreciated, and I would be appreciated as a writer. I don't want to be talking about this stuff. I've accepted IT because he feels that the divines has wanted me here.

And with this and talking about IT, and I am, but if not, i'm not here for my ego. IT is I get attacked a lot. I have to deal with a lot of stuff.

I have deal with a lot of miscomprehension, but also attacked my book supposed to come out in friends. And more than a month ago, it's been blocked. This translation of my book, it's been blocked.

Publisher has not been in contact with me at all. I know that he received at least one male that was to discredit me, and I probably received a lot more by now. But anyway, things happen all the time to stop me from speaking out. I'm not just selling stories. I've been so careful to wait until I was ready to say anything at all, because I knew that if i'm going to be a attacked and i'm gna go wonder, or if i'm gonna get the the love from people, i'm not going to be able to handle IT. I'm gonna know need IT and I can't need power when i'm going to speak about these things, you .

understand I I don't think there's anything about power here. I believe this happens. I believe this happens all the time.

And I believe I was way more back in the days a till, you know, today, because back in the days, and i'm bother with IT today, it's still happened to, you see movies like sound of freedom. We see movies like the limits and taken, taking two, taking three. Why do movies do solve? And you know, belgium is known for a lot of things. You know, europe, there are some of these countries are known for a lot of things. But to me.

it's more the word wide.

It's a globe, right? Three hundred fifty billion of your industry.

And I know no, this is a global ellide network with specific people in IT and they're not all friends. So there can be infighting happening as well. But IT is, you know I when I think of politics, it's like manipulated the vision.

There's so much manipulation and it's all manipulated to keep people fighting each other. So that will not look at the imposed division that is really between the top and the bottom. And when you start looking at the top, when you really this is happening now, the top well isn't drock fellow.

The top isn't roskild top. Isn't these people? Aren't those people the ones at the top? So i'm taking all the risks.

Speaking about IT, I don't want to say anything. I actually don't even like to say the names because the truth is it's not out of loyalty. It's rather than.

What is right to say when you know? Yes, saying names eventually is important. Because I was, there is my story. I should be able to say.

jane found them. Julie entries, what do you think about?

But what I don't these are, I think of people like that as potentially, potentially just like what I was gonna be, you see.

God, potentially, but what I was going to be.

yes, I was supposed to be a celebrity and friends so I was gonna singing and I was going to be I was trained as the six um you know the the seal animal so that's what was being sold. So that's how these powerful men would then fall for me and then I could maybe marry a president you know, that's possible whatever IT was. But IT was really rock fellow who was behind IT.

Um okay. So when you're spending time with rock pillow, you said you didn't know what him until he died in twenty seventeen. How is that possible if you going to these events in these parties and they are mentioning his name, don't they say David rock of for the name?

I never heard the name and David .

so they wouldn't say, please help me bring up the, you know, great David rock fellar face .

up early would have seen IT. Because the thing is, I would have not done well if I had remembered him all. I was alive because he got so deep. You understand, I was a child, six slave. I had not known any love and this was the best I got at that time.

And because of that, I would maybe there's a lot of parts in me that we're very touched to him that loved him very much is part of the reason not so why I would not want necessarily say the name. You know, IT feels like this loyal summer too, believe IT or not to who though to him to him because there's still parts inside of me that are also attached to him and and of course, i've learned a lot. The more I heal, you say you're talking like somebody who doesn't understand healing very well because the healing comes from, you know, how is that possible? It's very possible that I had vogue memories of an american and in some positive connection to that.

But then there was also the memory of how I had met him, which was horrific and i'd agree for that. And I you know I I in the nineties I was crying over that that situation and I haven't necessarily you know healed completely. But at the moment what IT is is that something begins to um manifests and usually throw the body because our traumas stuck in the body.

And then usually there's a period of sometimes it's just boom. When he died, IT was immediately and I immediately got the memories and there was no question. But in the time that the memories come and you know this is mind control is about association, you know you might you get traumatized, why? Because they associate you and then you don't know, you don't know what you rather have is doing.

So when we're talking about somebody who has amazing front, when they're in their front persona, they don't know what they do in the shadow that's in the shadow. So the main control is to create association, to create parts that will go alters, that will go and do things specific things. And that, of course, that stays when you're in adult, you're associated so you don't remember most of IT um or nothing and IT just comes back little by little.

It's it's a very long and arduous process and IT requires tremendous charge to begin to open up to the possibility because the first thing that comes when I had the first flashback of this, I was like, no, no, no, no. First of all, I thought, if that's true, i'm gna kill myself, which was also programmed into me. But I struggled so hard with, like, this is not true.

This is not who I am. I have an idea of myself. Okay, doesn't work very well.

You know, this identification as me in this family and IT, okay, things don't aren't really adding up. And at the same time, I never want this to be true. It's impossible. And without the due to case, I had no context, neither.

But I was getting the flashbacks one after the other the therapy I was we didn't wanted know IT SHE wasn't ready SHE didn't want to to hear IT SHE didn't SHE dismissed IT um some things I didn't even bring to her because I knew he wasn't gna be open to IT so IT so first there was the two case when I suddenly realized that all my flash backs have suddenly made sense and then when things started to make sense, then suddenly all a bunch of other things start to make sense as well like for example, um behaviors of mine or what I call cover memories are certain things that I know and i've always known them, but and I may have put them in a certain context. But suddenly if this is true, if this what i'm pulling out of the shadows here, if that is true, and that also makes sense. And so IT becomes a personal investigation into these memories.

Where do you live right now in the next state, new york? Live in new york, and how long you ve been in the states since .

a thousand nine hundred eighty five?

And you don't know who David rock fellers told the day he died in twenty seventeen. And new york, the rock fellow center, the rock fella.

is I told you I D never, never heard the .

name rock feller. You can't. That's not possible.

Yes, of course it's possible. I'm a child sex slave. Why would I hear the name rock fella who says that? Nobody told me.

Nobody said IT. He didn't say that he was David to me. Now I heard that I heard the name rock fellers, an adult. Of course, there's songs about the local fellers, but that didn't mean anything. That name didn't .

ring about to where you.

So it's not I didn't think that this was going to be .

the kind of conversation we were gonna have I I never know what of .

a conversation I want to have. I simply I feel like no to me.

It's not that to me. The main thing is the following. I think this is a very serious issue. I think it's such a serious st issue that in america, i'm disappointed with our politicians that they don't spend enough time talking about this.

Now does the mainstream media and we've cover stories like this guy know so many times three hundred and fifty nine thousand missing children in twenty twenty two, according to the FBI. Never once to hear these guys get up on campaign and talk about this kind of stuff. It's just we're talking .

about all the other stuff had denied who was the speaker of the house was actually jailed for Better.

If what you're saying if what your saying is true, you're saying your loyalty is to rock, fella. I'm not saying that.

Obviously i'm speaking about IT and i've been speaking about IT. My loyalty is obviously not with the abusers. IT never was.

IT was in a very control situation. I was being prepared as a child to become part of them. I said no at each ten.

Now that is something that some children do, but most don't. Most don't have the strength to do that. So no, my loyalty is essentially not with rock filler, is not with any .

of those people that what I said that I feel .

like a certain .

vel people talk about your .

parents a certain way, maybe at some point, no matter what the reality, maybe at some point you're gone to feel some emotional strings.

You're very comfortable not talk and positively about your mom, but you're not very comfortable talking negative.

My mother never gave me as much as he did, and that just happens to be the truth. They gave me reflections that .

I never see with your mom or no.

I forgive her before he died.

Connect with her.

I forgive her before he died. I called her to forgive her before he died.

When you call her, how much longer after he died that .

he died a year after?

Did you guys ever spend time together again? Or no.

no, I did often to come to see her when he was dying.

So how old? The last time you saw your mom?

I don't remember, but it's a long .

time ago. I was an adult.

I was in touch with her as an adult. And as these memories were coming back and I was working on these things little by little IT became clear that he was still the same person that um not you know there's this idea of what my mother was which is what I needed to live without as a child to to believe you know, to to survive. And then there's the reality.

And when the reality became clear, he was acting just exactly the same as SHE would have. SHE never changed. And really, there is no reflection there that I would have needed to emotionally grow.

IT was all false. IT was all projection. IT was had nothing to do with who I am. I was like he needed me to be blind, either good and blend and ugly or evil and powerful. n.

And the David rock fellow saw even pop and wants, saw things in me that my mother never did. He recognized things that were actually intricately mine. So I, for an emotional, for my emotional growth.

I needed you ever seen a movie? Red sparrow?

No, I don't need to see those movies because they're it's also there's a lot of movies and they take like little aspects of what happens in the network.

Yeah, I fully believe the network exists. I I am not from the school of thought that this doesn't exist. This is a real thing. I say have a lot of friends in the space where former cii guys, delta guys, military guys that, you know it's as real as IT gets IT is happening.

Uh, only thing I asked question for me is one of recent stories that was all over the news in amErica is over a jeffrey epstein and max. Well, when you hear the types of stories where billionaire give him a hundred fifty one million dollars of consulting fee, who they help gives two, one hundred fifty one million, he will help me know my taxes that much. Maybe a million, maybe a half a million I don't know about, is paid hundred and fifty eight million hours of consulting free leon black gives to jeffrey apps. It's it's kind of weird, right? When people ask, that's money.

very. I take that for granted. What people don't know is that I work with survivors again, and several survivors, Younger survivors that I know were trained by him.

And so who jeoffry?

Jeffrey OK? yes. David.

yeah.

no. Jeffery y i've seen and they were um they were drained by him, some from when they were babies. So just the story that out there now is that you know, the teams and everything and then we we talk about. Yeah, the abuse of teams. But really he was training children of all ages.

Did you ever meet him or juice? No, no.

I was out in one hundred and seventy four. I was out.

right?

yeah.

And what did you do after? Did you got out? What jobs did you do when he came to new york over eighty?

Well, I want to talk a little bit about how I got out, because Normally you don't get out.

Tell us.

how did you get on first the week that I was telling you in italy, IT wasn't nearby limo. And so where I was sleeping with all these men, and were these horrific things were happening.

there were many women.

absolutely, but I was sleeping with the men. I was not trained to be with women. I was only trained to as a sex ley for men. And these horrible things were happening all week and the end of the week, and this is April thirty, is an important day for the sadness.

I'm not exactly sure why, but by the end of the week, I was gonna have my big, i'd already had the the singing, and i'd already had the performance for everybody there. And then I was going to have my, the ritual that was how I was gonna be part of. Then another, I will perhaps, you know, you have to say, I will.

So you have to give you will to the network to sit. And so this was going to be my big entry. and.

I knew Better. I I didn't I didn't want to. I knew I didn't want to. I didn't wanna pay that Price. I didn't wanna pay the Price that IT would take to be part of IT.

And so I did everything that I needed to do because i've been trained in a way that I knew not to say no. But um after that, the next time I saw if rock fellow I um rebel and then I was immediately immediately tortured, was turned in a cage in a junction and tortured for several days. No, he he never touched.

He was always A P he would for them. He would. He watched.

He was there for some of IT. He was verbally telling me that I was absolutely worthless. But huzim son came to.

And no and .

um basically I was .

retrained for several days to make sure you know that would feel the lowest of the low and then I was absolutely worthless. and. And anyway.

he's telling you this.

I was, he told me that for sure, but also I was also tortured. And so he wasn't always there. He was there a few times, but he wasn't.

And at the end of that couple of days, I was basically thrown back into the belgian network where I was used another year. And then my book actually speaks about the year after i've already been rejected from what I call the inner circle afterwards. And I ended up there's this um gangster that took an interest in me.

And a year later, a year know that became an extremely violent, vicious relationship. I am ten, his twenty, and a year later he rescued me. And I had a near death experience.

So you could say that I, that I didn't survive. I had an extremely big near death experience. I wasn't supposed to survive, but I had to come back.

And IT was a very beautiful experience also like. I, my book is called quest for love. And I was in these pedophiles, relationships and everything, looking for love in the midst of hell.

But what happened in that near death experience was and was, I, I was always, spirit was often present with me and they were like when I talk about these things, um yes, I was tortured for days, you know and this is true. So when you look at that from the outside, IT is just gruesome and there's nothing else there. But spiritually, I felt often that there was help, sometimes no, sometimes yes.

But there was help, there was support, there was an, sometimes there was an an, an insight that would come often. I felt this benie presence. And when I had a near death experience, that was a very glorious experience. And I felt finally, this incredible love .

because.

of course, I mean, that's everything. There is nothing with that.

Who got you? Are you a Christian? R U A. R U A A. How would you to .

find out the the one my teacher who showed up in the new death experience was by mahatma uganda? No, by mahatma yogananda started. But other biography of you.

yeah. If you want to show, there you go, that orange book, there you go that's burmah yogananda. So uga route yeah one of the groups of the path is Christ. And so um IT is not separate from Christianity. The teachings are the original Christianity combined with the original yoga, which is has nothing to do with the physical yoga but the meditation.

So you have, you know, the prayer, which is like speaking to god, and in the meditation, which I could call listening to god, and these specific meditation techniques that bring your energy back into your spine and brain that are meant to help you um to what what happened, you know, in the near death s experience is you transcend the physical, you leave the body, but you because you are not the body, you are consciousness, pure consciousness. And then in that experience, I experiences the expansion of the heart, where I just felt that divine love, and then no, and then had these insights also then to help me know what to strive for when I was healing. And that is to go back, to return to the love of Christ. And that is why my message has so much to do with ending the division between people, between us, not judging other people, respecting everybody, getting along, but to look, because I feel that this division is created from this network. You think the network .

should be held accountable.

of course, in the people in IT, and that the the vision is caused from that place of these people that want to maintain the control specifically, so that we won't look at them and we won.

Look at what has .

happened to make IT stop existing.

Nothing right. What do you think you can do to help IT? You can hear somebody a talking about that is that is that kind of how you process that?

Everything I do is to help IT I heal. I have work with other people that have been through IT. So the fact that I have had my plus thirty plus years of healing behind me, I can really, you know, when someone has been through something like that, IT is very common that you cannot believe IT.

So when someone who's been through IT and been through the healing, who knows exactly what IT is and can bring context to what is coming up because IT makes no sense these things when they come up and that is what I do and I write and I am right, I think of myself as a writer. So um I try to reach people not about IT is not about the sensation IT is not about the names. Of course.

Yes, they have to be held accountable eventually, all of them. absolutely. I do trust in spiritual justice, though not necessarily justice on earth.

Most of these people died in their bed. They were never held accountable in life. But I to me, my role is, first is speaking up. This is the revelation of this truth, which is a dark truth that I think we should know about. And the second part of my mission, I think, has to do with the healing.

Um I developed an psychological healing modality and is for everyone IT is to look at power dynamics in the way that we all, you know project power. And like I if I look up to you, you know then i'm I come from a place of below in that projection, IT is used as an entry into our own unresolved stuff. Like if I put you up, then you are an authority figure red to me.

And that means that i'm coming from a child place and i'm putting you in the position of a parents. And beneath that, an update projection. Putting someone on a pedestal is fear.

And so we go in that way to look at an healing or whatever IT is unmade, emotional needs or and diversa. When we look down on someone, when we judge someone, the first look at ourselves, like, what is this in me? Why do I need to feel powerful in the moment?

Why do I need to think less of that person? So it's it's not judging in terms of just saying what IT is like. I don't mean, you know a pile is a pedophile.

That's not what I mean judging. You know that there's judgment there. That is just what is is discriminating or is discerning. But i'm talking about an emotional an emotional charge, which is exactly what I feel the network is using to create a division. To keep judging each other and to keep thinking, that is, other people like us.

To me, I understand that. But you, I support something. I tweet to something at earlier today because of what happened with laking Riley. And we were watching a video of laking rilly es family. And I don't, if you fall on the story you like.

And Riley, no, Young, beautiful, a human being, beautiful spirit, is going for run at night while a vena swelling gangster is looking for her. And SHE comes not looking for her, just looking for a girl. And he sees her running.

He sees her running and he catches her wanting to raper. And he started hitting her with iraq over the head. And she's recording this while she's called on a cap.

She's trying escape. And her family, her stepfather, read a letter SHE road to her future husband is the most incredible story. When you read this, it's it's tough to watch IT without getting emotional.

I'm motion for me when I hear stories like this. You we're going through this right now. america. You're in new york and new york a mess right now. I twisted this two hours before you and I went live.

I said, is this too extreme of an idea? Any illegal immigrant who commits a crime in amErica should face five times a punishment of someone who is here illegally, especially U. S. Citizen, and an automatic death penalty found guilty of rape, murder, you know, drug, child trafficking. I'm not I have zero tolerance for this when IT comes down to somebody .

taking advantage of A H and or any of the first is always, most immigrants don't want to come here, or if they do. I mean, I love united states. You know, I have had opportunities here that I studied here that I would have never been able to do that in in europe.

So I love america. I love the spirit of america. I think that this is the place where things can change, and this can change here. On the other hand, we have to be always so mindful. I would be, you know, there's always two sides, the same story, because what on the liberal side is being corrected is the empathy, is the the, the, the, the willingness to be open minded towards others.

I feel that this is being co up to just as the toughness on the right you know it's also being up to know I know on the right i've heard a lot of people being um you know that save the children, you know save the children a lot of feeling and a lot of sympathy for the children. But I as an adult don't experience necessarily the same empathy. You see i'm the i'm the grown up child from that experience and I .

think you do in the reason .

always well.

I don't I think and the reason why I say that, you know, is there's a reason why you have tens of millions of views online because people empathy with you. And your book is got two, one or twenty three reviews. Five star.

Why is IT five star? Because there's a community that you know not necessarily understands the pain most people haven't gone through with this but sympathises with somebody like you seen an innocent child. When I look at your book, I see your face.

I see my daughter. I got an eight year old girl in a three year old girl. I'm not okay with that. There's a part of me that is a naturally, my tire life have been very protective since we lived in germany for two years, and my mother and my sister were there. I was at ten, eleven, twelve, york. I was really do anything if somebody did anything to my year, to my mom and my sister and my parents went to all the words. Now I understand.

was your family connected to the shot? No.

that's not you like my mother's side, but i'm supportive of what the show was doing. I think when the regime fell, iran has been a schedule since one thousand and seventy nine. Iran was a beautiful place prior to that, right? Not, not, not the people, what the politicians and some of the other people, people and clergy did mess up at that place.

no. But for me, I think the way you overcome this is one by using your voice, calling out accountability and moving on. And for liberals.

and you're saying .

liberals, to me, it's a very weird thing. What happened with liberals? I think liberals lost themselves. There are a little bit confused.

Feminine started off with A.

A, I, I believe you, like, I can hear what? Just listen to your feminist started off wanting to be for women rights. Women rights. Women.

great. But everything gets go up by those that want .

to bring servais servais ves and that men compete against women, Young girls. And that's ultimate.

see. But that is how everybody gets converted. That is a thought, an idea gets concept, and then he gets pushed .

and .

you know what gets taken. And you so not as a feminist, as me, i'll tell you that from the mind control perspective. So I was trained to get into the mind of men.

And what do you do to get into somebody? You use their fear. You find what IT is that scares them. So you use fear, then you got them, and then you insert an idea into their heads.

So what I when I speak about the division, is that every issue, what you hear about IT, is very specific. And IT creates more division because most people are not on that end of the spectrum or on that end of the spectrum, as is being presented to us. Most people are somewhere in the middle.

And yes, I think there's a lot of confusion because of that mind control. And when I say about that is, for example, abortion was corrected for the in in the feminist movement about the issue of abortion was corrupted. Now hands hamson, the german doctor, he was the head of poor familiar.

So he was the head of the planned parent hood of germany, and he was friends with market sand. And so, so there's something about abortion. Well, that has been become the thing. The biggest issue, this is not every woman would know that being a mother is um you know is is why we are. You're being a woman, is being a mother.

And is there's biological fact of that, that make you more empathy in general and more able to open your heart? Because where mothers and that is, you know, that has to do with the biological, with the biological fact. So to take abortion where you know first there's sexualization of everything that was imposed. I was gonna part of that agenda of sexualized everything to to to go towards pedophilia. I eventually um to you know because I was going to be as a girl singing sexy songs and then I was going to be a woman singing like a little girl and so this that is on purpose, so I was trained that way.

And of course there's the thought behind IT that people will think it's okay that a little girl seems like you know, make sexual jokes and that an adult woman thinks like a little girl and everything that is being sexualized, the way that porn has become so incredibly accessible that most children today discover, you know there discover sex through point. Um none of that is, I believe, on purpose. That would be very much fit into that agenda that I was gonna a part of when I was a child by these people who really want to control everything.

And so when you take abortion, that is a natural side effect of sexualized everybody. So when you sexualize every everybody and you you um and you make sex like like having a drink, basically that was the idea instead of you know a marital commitment, IT became this like having a drink. And this is what IT is today considered.

Well, that's what I think is the people that we're in this network that there was an an agenda behind where we're going that has to do with this. Like the the, the, the abortion would be a natural result of its sexualized everything, and that then the the girl has to pay the most. And that abortion that would become A A good option, which I never is.

So you never hear about how hard to is for the woman. You never hear about how um for example, there is no consent form like there's no consent form science. You don't know what happens to the fees, you know, when you sign when you go in to .

have an abort pro life.

I am neither. I am neither. I refuse to take sides in all of this because I do not.

I ve had an abortion. I was a sex slave. I was permiscuous. I got pregnant.

I would have ruined my life and IT would not have been an option to to live out the pregNancy and to give up the the baby for adoption. IT would have not have IT was not on the table. So IT is such a difficult choice because, you know, there's life inside of you.

Are you glad your life.

But abortion is such a .

company life.

You know, a lot of survivors of what i've been through would not really say yesterday.

agree.

And today, by the Grace of god, I am here and I am glad to be alive. I feel that right now I have freedom that I never would have hoped to have, and I feel purpose to my life.

Yeah, you know it's a very and I agreed that this is a very.

And that's what I mean by corrected, these issues arise the it's the same people that create the problem and that create the solution. That's what I mean with co opting. And that is what I mean with the division that has to be so extreme what we see.

It's not as if social media is not controlled. So there too, we get constantly, constantly brainwashed. And that's what I say. We have to be very mindful and careful that we don't start judging people.

Yes, I understand you're saying not judging people. That's what we have justice. What kind of justice do you mean?

Because they were in the network, also the people from, no, that's IT the people in the justice system where the, the, the head of for sale.

And that's why said they need to be called that wonder alive. Now wonder dead. That's why. Ask you who's the lady's name? You're like I don't want to do because she's alive.

That's not why I told you the reason is because nobody would believe me and i'm not ready and it's not fair of you.

But at point at that point, i'm not interested. I don't even want you to say even if you say i'll cut IT out just so you know for you to know i'm that i'm not trying to close you telling me don't do IT on my show, do on somebody associated .

if you give me the name right .

now cut it's a matter of .

timing everything I is .

um if you if you sit there and think about what is going on, there's nothing like unfair. What's toward unfair punishment? So you hear these stories of, you know, guys, I want to jail for twenty years for selling a dime bag.

I know I worked in the presence. Why did I go? Go to jail for dying? Beg, right? Or people.

I want to jail that didier, kill anybody. Somebody else blame them. And hey, he's gonna and right. These are devastating.

You ruin someone's life, their youth, you stole their twenties and their thirties, and they gona get out under mid forties, right? But you need long order. So the big guy cannot bully a little guy. You need that unfortunately, because we have certain lobbies and we because we have certain politicians that are for sale um predomiNancy on the left that are for sale.

Well no, don't say that my perpetrators were from both sides, absolutely say litin ans it's cheaper .

to buy the people on the left and the ones on the right presidents presidents who become presidents, either president to become president, who funded their own campaign, are tougher to buy than those who were funded a hundred percent by donors like the clinton, like the obama's, like the Carters, like i'm .

saying that you don't know. No.

it's very simple because it's just called math.

I have a different perspective .

spect .

been part of .

been in IT as .

A I understand.

but that doesn't make your perspective a hundred percent accurate.

I'm saying you don't know that .

also you don't know that because you're also little bit too in IT because as a feminist, you said you're feminist, it's easy. What does that mean to you? What does that mean to you? Tell me, you tell me what that means to you.

Well, I have been through a lot of things that I know that would have never happened to me if I was not of a woman, not a girl or a woman.

So, so that means a man won't never be able to understand what you say.

And another one, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, oh, no, no, not at all. That just means that I am absolutely for full equality. That doesn't even mean necessarily legally IT just means that I as a woman need to be able to speak freely and with everything that that means as a woman, that's what means to me IT doesn't necessarily mean what you are making of IT.

right? And I don't know what that meant, what you just said, but you know, like for me, well.

because maybe maybe you don't understand them as a man, but as a woman, there are certain things that I ve had to go through. Like, for example, harassment. IT was extremely common when I was Young adult to be harassed.

I, I was harassed everywhere in when I was living in paris, when I was living in new york. IT was just happening all the time. I believe, yeah, I believe, for example, that's one of those things. No.

I talking two different things. I believe that. I believe the sexualization of women, I fully believe OK i'm not sitting their same that but at the same time the same people that wanted women rights are the same people that are okay with men choose en to compete and women sports. That's very weird.

Well, of course and that's that's not what i'm talking about at all that has nothing to do with.

fortunately, what and now this and that's why they ve lost the election as catastrophically as they did. It's embarrassing.

I do do you have them also that ah that is that everybody or is that no I don't .

agree that everybody no no I don't agree that everybody but way I think john of Kennedy um what he wanted to do with america, I think there was a lot of a lot of what he wanted to do was noble and I trusted their family more because they self funded them running for office. You couldn't necessary buy them. Anybody on the left auto right at .

once for my icons have been knocked off their pedestal is from speaking to people that have been through this.

Those are two different things I told get IT was the saying rob, when they say when you meet your hero, what's the word don't meet your hero because you will be quite off and disappointed or some phrase like that because you're going to see they don't walk on water as much as you thought they did um but no, look, I think IT is a conversation that needs to be had. I do not uncomfortable and I do know I have a putting of asking questions that comes to my mind and sometimes makes the meeting a little bit more uncomfortable. And forgive me for me and me i've been .

like this for forty six years and I saw interview um that you did and I thought .

I was .

much more peaceful yeah which I A I me oh because the .

conversation was a you know that was a you know that was more about her interesting story that he had on what happened with.

But a little tension.

there was a little bit of tension with her. I don't if you watch the whole thing, did you watch the whole thing or no?

Was a little tension with of the bible and .

not just dad, the father of her child. And, you know, some of the things we talk.

whether he was uncomfortable .

to not to talk about, just like me and I SHE was in to, and later SHE got just like you, by the way, to be fair. So the audience doesn't think i'm cornering you. You told tony that you wanted to me names. I I know I .

didn't say that at all. He came to ask me, I want to clear.

let's bring him in .

here because came to me.

Tone accountable, tony, if you can come here, tony. Come on, tony. So when you told me you proposed for her to be a guess on the podcast, you said he said he wanted her name named, that she's never named before. Assumption that we were going to discuss me first early on a month ago. I had I don't remember, I don't remember.

but I don't remember saying that I wanted the name names. I would never say that because it's not really what I Normally would do. And you brought IT up today. I thought you meant today. You want them brought IT up.

I but I must .

not answer you. I definitely did not tell you I am. I'm going to name names i've never named before.

Well, here's a point. The reason for is like tony is never misled me. So when tony says something like, okay, called that sounds good and I don't have a problem with that. But for me, I was I had no new story.

You're saying I want to come on naming names. That's not exactly what I would. Would you say that I that I said I wanted to come on naming names?

That's not really how I would say at all. I was asked. I was considering IT. Maybe this came up or not, but early on two months ago.

Well.

so well, you asked me right before .

we came on but but only reason I want to qualify this because that's questioning the integrity of the interviewer, which is me. I'm not onna sit here. I'm not doing that but gone. I'm gonna sit here and be cornered as if i'm corner ing you now okay.

that's the sound .

like then then your going to walk away saying this guy was just corn. I'm not corners. You am being told, hey, there's a lot of things and she's at a point right now with everything that's going on with die, abstain, all this stuff, he feels compelled to want to talk and maybe give .

some names as a great let before before, right before coming in here and said, would you be willing to name some names of people that are alive? And I went through the list and I am told him i'm not comfortable .

naming David rockefeller .

didn't say who the person .

who's fort to and different conversation. Let's separate those two o the those two, let's qualify. One is you express the interest to want to come here for that reason .

to maybe talk to someone at all. I was first was considering I did have an intuition that this is correct. This is definitely the biggest podcast i've ever been on and this is you have a very large reach. I was a little concerned um just because we are political views, Frankly, I was a little concerned um to come on because .

I do we didn't talk politics until you brought feminism.

I didn't bring up trauma.

And no, what i'm trying to say to you is this is not i'm not having a political conversation with you. I'm having a conversation from my father with four kids who hear stories like this. And we support a lot of charities behind closed doors that we don't publicly indoors because we don't want people to you know there certain things that we will support and nobody knows about because, you know, we are.

I'm involved in this in many directly and many indirectly, but this is a very important ish in my life. And so when these stories come out and I hear names of people that are still out there that are not being held accountable, that upsets me a little bit, specially when there's somebody I can do something about IT. I can't, i'm not in IT.

You are and I am all about giving the limelight for somebody to share some of those things, but others. So people can protect themselves from perpetrators doing IT again repeatedly, to Younger children today, which is not fair. Somebody stole your youth, and i'm not okay with that.

And if we can do that to save IT from happen to the other three hundred and fifty nine thousand that FBI is reported in twenty twenty two children's missing, how are those parents handling things? Ks, imagined mother and the father not having their kids next to them when they put him to bed, when they put him to steep, when they hug them, when they kiss him. My three year old daughter this morning was crying for no reason.

okay. And her and her sister got into IT, and I went downstairs to check on her. SHE gave me a hug for forty five seconds. Let me tell you, Priceless. Give me all the money in the world.

When I replaced, I feeling I get skin to skin when I kiss her neck and kissed her cheeks, when she's telling me, daddy, I want to make sure every father and mother who is missing those, those children, I want more attention to IT so someone can do something about IT, whether their former military politicians, wealthy people that are willful to give money to IT. I want to bring attention to IT. This is not an easy topic.

This is very uncomfortable. This is why I said at the beginning, IT takes courage to talk about that. I give you that respect. I know it's not easy. I know it's not easy to go through some .

like this and it's not easy to speak about IT. And IT is also not not easy to um sort through what seem to be political views. You see, I believe that politics on the whole are there are two cost division at this point. So and I noticed how the division has sharpened in the last years. And so that is why who's done that?

Think about who's done that? If if you you're pretty smart, okay, you have been around who do things done that? Who has the ultimate power.

mom? I would say that the people that I was used by, they wanted, they wanted to control, not just their sly, but they wanted to control everybody.

But how did they, how are they able to silence or get the message out there? What what a tall they use in the seventies and eighties.

or the nine in the seventies, pennefather a was, for example, sold quite a bit. There was a lot that was very know, like the blue goon, for example. That's a very, that's a very inappropriate film. And there is a lot of them in france. There is a lot David hamilton from the he did abilities now the girls that were that were filmed by him were being are coming out saying that he read them you see um the seventies they were really pushing po phila. And he feels like at the moment there's a new push again towards portfolio.

Yeah is they did IT by controlling the media.

Yeah the the the companies .

are .

also control hood.

a control by who the only guy that owns IT that's conservative possibly is a guy and me be alone who used to be a democrat. He left when they realized their insane IT lost your mind.

So but every party .

hosted on the other side. So I remember, you know, when you're explaining all this after showing these movies, there was a weird song back in the days by the skinning benny mardon's mardon's, which I don't know to remember the song, she's just sixteen years old. Number one, I me, this guys just singing a song about you .

like you can find populations of songs now.

where they're all I D lyrics yrma IT says she's just sixteen years old. Leave her alone. They said, separated by four who don't know what love is yet, but I want you to know if I could fly. I'd pick you up and take you into the night and show you we love like you've never seen. This is a grown man talking about a sixteen year old, and he was as an interview oh is ready no .

the song she's she's wary and Young girls they do get weary wearing that same old chevy dress and then the the lyrics go and Young good um you won't regret IT he says you won't regret IT little .

tenderness you know she's .

waiting just anticipating at least this guy didn't give the .

age these other guys given the age she's Young girls.

Young girls, Young girls. He's just one. Do you know what I mean as the bees in some countries there .

was sixteen back in the days like IT was IT was even in america, right? I think the legal age .

in amErica that was still talking about grown men about the seventeen year.

the same story. I understand what you're same, but as weird as the sound. Look at this, even in U. S.

Some states the age of consent is seventeen and new york state fifteen and arkansas, the national average in U. S. Is sixteen. So some of the stuff is kind of a maybe we need to update some of these laws that we have in place.

But anyways, arica folks, we're gone to put the link to her book quest for love below for you to be able to buy and support um it's down there will put IT in the description and in the chat please do support her cause and order her book and um um again I appreciate you for coming down, sitting down and having this conversation I am sure as usual um as much as I made felt a little bit uncomfortable at times. I think the audience one today because we brought more attention to this discussion however, they see IT that's up to them but I think we did more good than bad by having this conversation. I appreciate you for coming up.

And i'd like the fact that you never talked about trump because I don't like to talk about trump OK. I don't like politics. And if you were gna go there, I was going to stop IT. I was not going to be happy.

but I appreciate you.

Thank you so much. This was great. Thanks everybody. Take care. byebye. You're going to think i'm crazy when I tell you this. But the last thirteen and a half years i've been working on my first fiction book to write, ever fiction book to write. And while I finish to spoke a year ago, i've got the strangers phone call about one characters in a book.

Guy wanted to meet with me, and he read the book, and afterwards is like, wait minute, am I the villa in the book? This is a story about a character name, ash, who is half armenian, half a syrian, whose father was involved in the iranian revolution, linked to search, working with the shaw that they escape. And he gets recruit to a secret when when you go to the secret society, it's been around for a couple of thousand years that they ve developed some of the crazy st.

Leaders of all time, and they test you. There is unique test that they have at the society where they test to see your emotional, mental toughness. Wanted to test that they have is very rigid ly mental.

Of course there is a physical one, but one is mental and emotional. If you're armenian, if you're syrian, if your person, this is a book, uh, you're gonna reading and saying, holy moly, this the kind of stuff you talk about. And here, yes, if you're somebody that's fascinated by history, this is a book for you characters.

There's a technology that this society, secret society, builds, where you going to evolve. I once spoiled for you when you go down, they have a technology where you get to sit down and watch and have a three, four hour conversation with two park. You can set up a debate between car Marks and iran.

Car mark is in the book who wrote LED communist manifesto iron and wrote at the shrug is in the book marylin monroe explains the concept of seduction and sexy, able. When you read the book, it's about development of the next leaders in the world and how they do IT and how theyve been doing in for many years. And it's also about how to prevent the end of civilization and how this organization goes about doing that.

So I have never written a parenting book before, but if I ever rote a parenting book, this is the closest thing to. And because it's all mindset, lot of crazy stories. Again, thirty and half of your trust mac myself, I will not publish this book until I sell my insurance company and falling disconnected from IT, where it's no longer my responsibility.

One hundred percent when you read this, if you're a create, if you're a creative person, if you like fiction books, if you. Enjoy the apple shrug if you enjoy divergent, if you like books like that, I think you can enjoy reading this book is the creative side business. Books is very easy.

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