“Stop Cutting Deals With Iran” - Reza Pahlavi Argues For U.S. To Support Regime Change In Iran | PBD Podcast | Ep. 501
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what are we talking about stock of cover Operations and coup plus and that kind of. The discourse one is no longer reform. The discourse in run is now revolution to change.

Regime literally just came up from new york. s. An claim that could build a nuclear weapon.

A supreme leader on saturday threatened the U. S. And his world with tooth break in response .

because you don't need to have more to have that change. I read by guys, leave them. Well, okay, when he says death to america, that's to israel is not a slogan that actually mean IT.

These guys been in office for forty six years and they're still in there. Does that make them Better at keeping controlled? And your father and your grandfather.

do you think my father knew what was going to happen? I'm prepared .

to link this transition .

as a leader or as .

A S A much answer to be. So let's say, trump ins on tuesday, this will be the last chance of you've been able to do so, possibly in humanise lifetime.

IT takes you to tango. okay. no. What the leader .

needs to leave.

Why do you ask me the question? yeah. This question should be posed to downal trump or camera Harris. I think americans did to remember this. Sometimes you forget about things too easily, too fast.

Before you watch this interview, I want to give you a little bit perspective of this interview. Verse is the first one that we had detention, and this one was much higher. He he was chAllenge, he was pushed and his energy was something else.

And he kept increasing more and more and more throughout the entirety. Almost at the end of the interview, he was defined like he wants to do. This was great to see that we talked about.

He reacted to a trump clip of what trumps level of commitment would be if he becomes president towards help and iran. And IT was almost as if he was making a case, twitter, trump administration and to the iranian people. I ask them, I said, why is that? That the voter turn out from the iranian people in irons been the lowest for the last couple of decades.

We talked about that. We talked about the executions on an annual basis. Iron under obama, verses under transverses, under biden. IT was so revealing, asked him the question. There's some rumors about his father when he was on his death, but he accept the jesus cries and became a Christian.

He uh, he gave his perspective on that because he was but besides when to give that and is just very much more emotional, much more emotional on this one in intense. And I think the iranian people as well as people that are not irani but interested in scene peace in the middle east, you're going to be fascinated by todays. Sit down with crown prince raza pala.

I enjoy this interview, did you? Ever think you? I know this. Slight for me. Valuation, we look would come. And on your point, last time we had the crown prince recipe alleviation IT got millions of you, so many interests of people, world. But I wanted to hear about the conversation. IT was the first time here at three hours sit on, which was just dynamic today as a follow up. Part two, this is going to come out a day before election when you see this, what tensions of iran, israel campaign, traun, paris, all these discussions taking place.

It's great to have you back on. Good to be back, Patrick.

Yes, so I want to start off with a clip uh ah that I want to get your reaction to. I had the president to or three weeks ago, president trump, and were having a conversation. And one of the things I brought up was when I was in monico, I was, I met a gentlemen who worked in all the banking in twenty one countries in the middle east, and I asked him.

I said, how bad are the sanctions on iran? He said, it's devastating. And I followed up by saying, you know, what's gonna happen with you? Are you going to be doing anything for iran to go back to what I used to be in the seventies? Here's his response. I want to get a reaction to go rab and because um and I .

can just only tell you this, if the power is .

obliteration, okay, it's not I always say it's not two army tags running around going to help with you the .

end of your administration. I not I would like to see and be very success, but the only thing they can have and .

are you okay with the same administration and way of governing stays? Or would you like to see you go back to the seventies when shaws was running IT and iran was one the top of the countries in tourism? Yeah, we can get totally involved all, but we can't run ourselves. Let's face, we can run ourselves sanctions that's going they don't have the people are going na turn and flip on them. It's not going to be a what should I think if you would hit over?

I told them right now make a deal with iran to do anything. They want to make a deal with me. They want to had that election not been rigged and stolen. I will tell you right now, we would have no problems anywhere in the world. You know.

Victor orban, you know, is a very little guy, guy. And what's your thoughts on his answer?

Well, Patrick, without necessarily isolated the question just to president trump, we need to have two basic understanding of the iranian quiet mire in the first place, revolution number one. And something that has been, in my opinion, the biggest floor in in the way of thinking. Western governments, the U. S included VISA v this regime is thought fully understanding its nature.

Why do I say this? Because I think if you look at the tactics or strategies of either containment or a payment or trying to make a deal, was all hanging on the concept of behavior change and the reason all those approaches have failed is because, unlike governments that may have a strategy or things, things straggly, this is a resume that is ideological. When IT says death to amErica and that's to israel, it's not just a slogan that actually mean IT.

And that's what i've been saying all this time, that trying to think that you can come to terms with them and that this kind of regime can coexist with countries like amErica or france or germany as western democracies. It's simply unrealistic. So the problem is, the regime itself is not whether you can try to use diplomacy with them or come to terms with them.

And the second element that needs to also be understood is that if some of the lessons of recent history that involved america, that LED to changes of governments, but with not good results, has created an element of rejection of the idea, are we going to get involved yet again in another that is going to involve you as taxpayers money, that is going to have our soldiers being deployed to, uh, you know, the other side of the world and perhaps create some apprehension. And like you know, we need to stay away from IT. The reason I used this as a basic guideline is to say that, look, if we understand that so long as the regime in one continues to exist, not only the nuclear threat, but many other ways that the regime depends for its existence, by creating and formatting instability and intervening in other countries, affairs is not going to disappear, because this is stature.

IT does no matter what you think, that is not going to change now. But two is that the change that we, as iranians, are calling for and are hoping that governments likelier st. Government would understand and have our back for a change does not involve the kind of um elements that some people may assume will have to happen.

Or my god, we saw what happened in afghanistan. Oh my god, we saw what happened in IQ. Are we going to have yet again that kind of a enertia?

In fact, the case of the run is none of the above is going to be totally different as a kind of change. But we have to first understand the change of resuming run is a prerequisite, a Better future that is everyone interest. And of course, I can .

aborted on, I get you what you're saying, but president trump, his answer, his impression, is a different impression. The pretension I got from IT is, you know, he says i'm always fluid, is a fluid mind. Last time we use sanctions, we made you something else.

Maybe i'll ask you this question when he was president, this is a child. I showed the president economic growth in iran. He comes in in sixteen.

They're going great. That's when a nuclear deal was implemented. Sanctions lifted, obama's ending of IT bomb, then trump comes in.

Sanctions are in reinstated from trump. Look at twenty, eighteen, twenty nineteen, right? Iran is in shambles at that time. Your in communication with, uh, everybody around the world that's interested in wanting to see rubie a democracy, monarchy, whatever, maybe that many of us can go back and visit the country that we were born in and we lived in and I lived there almost seven years. How close was IT from your experience since you left in after your father when he was an exam? How would you compare the level of tension in iran and how close I got to a fall in changing regime if trump would have been reelected, if those sanctions would have .

state how close was IT? Well, that's a very good question. Uh and again, I need to be uh expanding on this discussion because IT has several components is such as one element but several elements together. Um clearly what we saw under uh president trump administration was something that proved to be an effective and that was maximum pressure on the regime. Um we saw as a consequence how IT affected the regimes uh or or curtailed its means uh to be able to basic fuel its all machine or finances proxies or do other things unlike uh his administration. The current administration did just the opposite.

IT did not implement the old sanctions which meant that the regime had access that more than one hundred billion dollars, perhaps almost close to two hundred billion dollars worth of old revenue by selling IT to the chinese money that was used and spent on not the people of iran menu but uh that a pieman approach and uh pain even uh ransom to uh uh get hostages back. All of that made the regime more a violent to the point that we shouldn't be surprised at. October seventh is an example of what the consequence of that approach.

But is pressure alone sufficient in terms of a foreign policy? And again, I tied this to whether it's based on understanding them. Now ultimately, the regime has to go as opposed to be putting pressure just to force, stand back to the negotiation table and expecting behavior changing them.

So if we understand that ultimately the root cause of the problem, and I think this is something that the strongest allies of the united is in the region, may not voice IT, but understand IT, whether is in ridd or in jerusalem, is the fact that so long as this regime is there, none of these problems are going to disappear. So let's say that this time the element of change are the running people. And by the way, this we spoke last time, that has been definitely A A shift of uh uh optic within an itself.

The discourse around is no longer reform. The discourse on is now revolution to change regime. We are in a prerequisites ary stage. IT could become a revolutionary stage by adding a component pallet to maximum pressure, one of maximum support, to help the running people, not by sending troops, not by sending taxpayers money, but, let's say, repurpose frozen assets of the regime that actually is running people's money themselves.

How do you do that though?

The mechanics, that may be a bit more complicated, but the fact is that we are not looking for american intervention. We simply saying, stop trying to cut a deal with this regime and through the running people yet again under the bus. This is an opportunity to invest on the people of we run as the agent of change, very different than what happened in afghanistan and iraq.

And if you begin to do that, you also add a third component. And that means when people within the system, the new auto racy, the technocracy that don't fed up the fact that you see that as a result of escalation, people will die, including officers in the military that not be put in that position in the first place, and they want out. They would ultimately have an element of perhaps what could be to my, some of defections from the regime.

Limiting that means respond if you consider all of these components the ingredients for change exists is just a matter of deciding to shift your policy from one that continues to be in the maintenance. So the state school of trying to yet again again so okay, if as long as they are not posting a nuclear threat, we can live with them. You can live with them, uh, as IT is because they won't let go of their against the west and particularly the U.

S. As a target example, the funding and financial support that the regime is spending on in american universities, formatting ani israel, an anti american, uh uh, thinking, even intervening in the elections process here or having as we speak right now, there are so called I T. Ministers helping the venezuelans and the cubans with the same means of internet filtering and what have you uh, as they have used against running people at home, they will let go of any of this. So don't assume and be native to thinking if we can eliminate one of the immediate threats, the rest is going to come into the fall. That's not gonna change that will continue to do that.

okay. So going back, I want to isolate one question. Because there is president trump when you're president, iran is not in your top five list to do list its economy, it's reelection, its family, it's the border, it's bill in the wall.

It's all these things that staff firing this person, hiring the next person, return all these things that's on your mind, right? yes. But to someone like you, you know iran's in your top three that you think about when you wake up in the morning, you probably want to find the first story that has to do with iran.

Why your your entire your last name, who you are, what you've done, that's your interest, right? If on the yankees general manager, when I wake up, what's the first thing I want to see? MLB yani, straight, all the stuff, right? But if she's watching this or if his campus watching this, okay, and you were to say, let you know what you did in twenty eight and nine, here's how close you were of iranian people flipping and that place be enforced to go back to getting rid of the, you know, all the chaos that they create a middle east, whether it's funding of the hezbollah, the hoods, you know, all these other things that we can look at. How close was trump accidentally to cause you want to fall?

How closed for day. But obviously, the momentum was in the right direction. And this is why he received a lot of a appreciation and support from iran itself, to the point that even sent messages enforcer to the union people, but that with the iranic people's assumption that he actually means to put the kind of pressure that will give them a chance to them, ultimately mobilised themselves against regime.

The very same people who appreciated that approach and toughness by his side. If they think that he's here to throw them under the bus and cut day with the regime would be the first one to, uh uh, react negatively to IT. Now i'm not saying this .

only from the .

point of view of OK. I'm saying this only because i'm iranian and I care about the running people.

I think, md, to this is, in general, twenty to the brave and suffering people and you run, have stood with you. And to the beginning of my presidency, my government will continue to stand with you. We are following your objections closely.

Encourages inspiring. That's his message. And he eat that at real dana d trump in far cy.

So so the question, the question therefore is which one is IT then uh, are we going to fall back to uh, isolation is mode all over the southern? Or are we seeing the results and the feedback uh um on public opinion because look, I I think one of the issues that comes across the desk of analysts or specialists or people who want to have a Better understanding of whatever country we talk about IT could be north korea, could be china IT could be iran and could be whatever isn't IT about understanding the actual thinking of the people in that country.

Let me go way back. Just to give an example. Do you remember, of course, immediately after nine eleven, what was the mood on the streets of countries in the middle st. Following september levels during remember, I just need a television and showing kind of people, uh, rejoicing on the streets of many of these, uh, so called allies of the united states celebrating the september eleven.

Now there was an attack on the U. S. In america, you know, got caught of garden IT was an embarrassing moment for U. S. And they're celebrating that embarrassing moment.

And do we remember also that the only country where people went on the streets the same evening after the attack, holding candlelight vigils in sympathy to the victims of the sect eleven attack, were the people of iran. Iran was the only country which each regime has the most hostility towards america. But the people have the most sympathy for america. I think americans need to remember this. Sometimes you forget about things too easily, too fast.

So that tells you that when you are talking about trying to come to terms or deal with the regime, that is inherently to america, all of these values, as opposed to a nation that inspired to the very same values and principles of liberty, of human rights, of separation of church from state as a prerequisite to democracy and freedom of religions, we think, like you, we want to have the same values that are in incorporated in american law. Love the land in american constitution, even if you look at the way Thomas jefferson was inspired by sara great, who was the first one to bring about the very principles of human rights by liberating jewry, slaves in in babyland and helping them rebuild their temple in jerusalem. And as the descendant of cyrus, we want just take pride in that what the world of the difference you will be if you have the people, will we run free from this regime and be truly represented and knew yourself, Patrick, you know what success?

Iranian immigrants and all people who were basically now, uh part and parcel of amErica as uh uh iranian americans has successful. They are being in as entrepreneurs, as business people, as leading in and imagine the potential to have all these these resources and their counterparts in iron bring about the change we want, bring about an element where you have a different run. That is that peaceful israel, we saw the arabia, and regionally, we provide that element of stability.

That doesn't require amErica to have to deploy troops or it's a fleet in the region to maintain stability. That's the whole difference. And now as an american tax pair, now as an american who say we have no business getting involved everywhere else, what you're doing is in fact helping yourself but not having to do IT in the place of others. But if you lag in that, not only you will be dragged into IT no matter what later on, but be worse than what we have right now. And the best way to avoid and eliminate all of these problems is to make the situation follow up for you.

So I want to show this class because i'd never even seen this clip that you were talking about until we just pulled IT up right now. So there's there's an article out there that says iranians who gathered for socks match in tehran n. Two days after the nine eleven attacks observed a moment of silence.

anyone. There was also candle vigil. Huge crowds attended candlelit visuals and run, and sixty thousand spectators ors of thurday minute silence at tehran socket stadium.

And right, if you can play the clip um if you have IT IT IT, be great to see the school ford. The U. S.

LED. War on terrorism is getting at least verbal support from some among a one time adversary, iran. In terran this week, demonstrators held a candlelight vigil for victims of the attacks in new york and washington.

And iran's foreign issuers quarter today is saying he has government wants those behind the attacks, quote, tracked down and severely puni shed, where iran's controlling muller standers unclip. yeah. So when I see that, you know, IT tells you what iranian and people are at.

Even when I lived in iran, the people we admired, america, you were, you admired what they did IT was like, oh my god, the other families going to america, it's a dream, right? AmErica was a and at the same time I lived there when all you hurt was mag back on before mag back on, because, you know, all these things they hurt. But I I want to show you this so I I made A A, uh, amateur chart here, and I I want to see what you say about this.

Okay, so trump, do you think trump sanctions brought you half way throw of pressure in iran, or something has to happen? Okay, because I think he brought IT all the way there, right to the fifty percent mark. What do you think is the rest of the fifty percent? Because I don't think he's gonna the guy.

You're heard what said about list china? yeah. Oh, there are war hawk. All they want to do go to war, war, war. I don't want any war he got endorsements from muslims are missing ing and standing up and saying the reason why we're voting for this guys because he's going to stop all the warm, the middle y so that his reputation from his first term, there is no war if that fifty percent is at a rap yeah what they're saying this is you should play this clip muslim supporting trump ahead. rap.

Good afternoon, michigan. ders. As the president said, we just had A A positive meeting with president trump. We as muslims, stand with president trump because he promises peace. He promises peace, not war.

They can pozo right there, right? So muslims being behind him because he's gonna stop war, which means trumps probably is not going to be, you don't know, but we go by some first administration. He's not going to be sending troops, iran, to help them tap all or regime, all that stuff fAllen. If you saying, guys, this is how much I want to do for you, the rest is on you. What do you think the rest is?

But again, is a perfect question. And also, I would like to a take this opportunity and to say that in in our optic at this from my viewpoint, and I think many of my computer is share this analysis, we're not asking for amErica to intervene military in the first place if nobody wants more. And war is not going to be the solution either, because you don't need to have work to have that.

I, I rever, well, okay, well, this is a regime that is is extremely repressive, meaning that the indian people need to have an element of, have having, you know, a fairly chance to succeed. This is not going to happen without having what I was suggesting earlier. That part left to maximum pressure have also a campaign of maximum support. You're writing in your charge of things that he came half.

And in fact, if we look at all the charges that we have seen, if you look at the way the region was curtailed, uh, the fact that the level of executions anyone was half of what IT was between the obama administration and biden administration was in fact as a result of the regime backing off because they were facing something, uh, pressure you the old adage of peace through strength, but let's define what strength means. Strength doesn't mean that you diverse completely without having something to replace IT with strength doesn't mean that you always have to have boots on the ground to enforce your interest. Military strength means that you find the right allies, work with them, but you need to nurture that.

You need to be able to give them the footing. They need to be able to succeed. What can bring changing in iron? Let's analyzed that for a second.

And how can I try to what I think would be part of the foreign policy of, uh, let's say, the american government? I still believe in the principles of civil disobedience as the method for change, non violent civil disobedience. And most of the ironing people so far has abided by that.

But they need more help. They need more help in terms of making sure that they are not cut off from the world. So internet taxes is one thing, then we need to be able to help iranian families, particularly that of political prisoners and blue color workers, because I think the quickest way to paralyze the system from within are ultimately labor strikes.

And we need to be able to support that right now. If an iranian family that is living in germany or in america, in canada or anywhere else would like to send some money to help somebody inside run, we can't, under the sanction rules. And of fact, we are limited in terms of be able to help our kinds.

So the problem is that the bad guys somehow make the money uh, by undercutting the sanctions, but the good guys are unable to help each other because they are limited by means. So I think there are so many policy changes that could change that aspect. But he needs to be implemented uh by um whatever government. In other words, amErica doesn't get to get directly involved, but are certain things that can be make IT easier for us to Operate. One of those elements, as I indicated, was there are a lot of frozen assets that belonged to the running people in the first place and this can be uh uh a means to uh uh found and finance that many elements that would be helping the .

people going to them close and assets you release. You have to go through the current regime that is going to spend IT when you hear stories that come on. His families were ninety five billion as that actually do you .

believe that I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised because definitely the the the simplest is of the mafia that is the I R G C working with the regime helping each other has really um and reach them why the people are are uh are starving on the streets now yeah maybe maybe h IT would be people would say, okay, how how do we actually get that done? But I believe in the principle of when there's a will, there's a way.

And I think one of the things that can be done is to make IT possible for iranians to help on another. The american idea has means to to help the fellow competitors. But if you ask them right now, can they actually um help h file running at home? It's very complicated under the sanction rules.

So I think there has to be some a modification. So one thing that president prompted uh and again part of your your chart he put the energy cy on the list of terrors organization. The europeans have yet to do that, but that was the courageous first step of indicating we know where we can hit the region where IT hurts.

You can even expand on those uh, uh, sanctions for purposes of no imposing even more pressure on the regime, but that won't be sufficient for the change we are seeking. What we are seeking is to have also a campaign of maximum support. Now, very short of what some people may soon are, we going to yet again be forced to engage or or intervene.

military. So let's say, we all understand that amErica doesn't want to war. Go to war.

I'm sure whether is the democrats or the republicans, nobody wants to go to war. We don't want anything to lead to a war. But let's understand one thing. The other side will continue to use every thing that is disposal to force conflict. Because i've lived with that all these years.

If you come to think of a tati, don't you think that there will give ample opportunities since the irani iraq war ended to come clean and to change how many times we have seen succeeding U. S. Administration attempting that?

Let me go back to the days of Ronald regan. What happened after quarter last this presidency and the hostages were taken. We are about two days from the anniversary of the american hostage is taken in the us. Embassy in tehran.

Um president reagan dispatch a Robert nike forum with a bible in the cake to try to humor life sound Jenny other time let's not forget that and one after the other bush father came and said, the world is a uh uh uh uh uh is uh less threatened right now or something to that effect um and of course that resulted with okay another we don't have to worry about the middle that's h like big clinton and big ten came in and then he had to face the situation in both in and what have you and then we came to a later on, uh, nine eleven happens. Uh h geo w bush decides to take down side down on, say, which actually was net that loose for america, win for islamic republic as a result. Then we came to the obama era.

We tried A C PUA. We saw what happened that even after that, the regime started taking hostages and even more hostages. Then we arrive at the trumpet administration.

We saw some effect of his pressure in the regime back off. Then came the biden administration, with all disappearance and releasing money to the regime. And we have october seventh.

So where are we today at the evil of the us. Elections in two thousand twenty four, with iran doing what is doing right now? The nuclear threat still be there. This really is having to do what they have to do.

The south is starting to sweat us to, okay, where is americans undecisive? And what do we to do in the meantime with the chinese and iranians? And what have you all of this? Is that play and at stake? And then going back to the original question that you ask, why should amErica care about iran? Or why should we even get involved?

Is any time that we pull away from the region, the fact is that you create a vacuum and ultimately the biggest for that, uh, amErica may have, which is come to think of IT. Perhaps china is going to take advantage of the situation and feel that vacuum with the help of the running regime and have total dominance, regional, economic and others. Is that neglect what amErica would like to face as a result? These are the kind of questions that the advisers to both at, uh, candidates need to think about, irrespective of the divide between the .

republicans and democracy. I, I, I just don't know, because when I look at this, your father serve roughly thirty eight years, right from forty one to seventy nine. Your grandfather served from twenty five to forty one, roughly sixteen years, right? These guys been in office for forty six years and they're still in there.

So what does that make them Better at keeping control than your father and your grandfather? Because when you look at a couple of reports, your time and executions, look at this here. rap.

So two thousand and eight, obama gets in. Okay, three hundred and fifty annual executions. Anyone what happens, goes up to four or two, five, forty six, seventy six, five, eighty, sixty seven, seven, fifty three.

Obama's last year, he had the highest level of executions in iran last year. Trump comes and drops immediately. Fifty percent five, thirteen, five, seventy two, seventy three, two, eighty two, sixty seven.

Bone biding comes back in three, thirty three, five, eight, two, eight, thirty four. Just sky rocket to the top. And we just have twenty, twenty three numbers.

And, uh, uh, rob, if you can pull up some of the reports that we have on what has happened with executions, not this one manufact, let me just let's stay on this and i'll go to the next one show the other charge, rob, that shows, uh, who was the most favorable, uh, by the iranian people. I'll give you the thunder up on the chart that we have. So can just go to IT.

It's a chart that shows how favorable was the shaw, how favorable was your father, how favorable was more sadic, how favorable was homey. And then come on a and when you look at this, here's virtual notice. The blue is very favorable.

The navy blue somewhat favorable. Grey is somewhat unfavorable. Read is a very unfavorable.

Green. No opinion. Look at the left that your grandfather, I believe. Yes, he is your grandfather.

Eighteen, seventy nine, forty four, forty one point four percent, very favorable. Seventeen point seven, very unfavorable. Let just focus on those two numbers.

Your father duty, two point eight, very favorable. Eighteen point four, you know, unfavorable, very unfavorable. Go to most deck, a lot of people.

So most of deck was the guy. He was the modern day berny. Standers, sixteen point four percent, very favorable.

Two point seven unfavorable. Right then he go to home. Mini, ninety thousand eighty nine.

I live ten years on under many twenty percent favorable. Look at the unfavorably rate. You got fifty eight point six percent of iranians unfavorable.

How many a today? Twenty of point four percent exact. That's how many favorable? That's one out of five. Sixty two percent of people that three out of five are unfavorable, even though that's been the case. And seventy nine, they've been able to keep rain for forty six years. I mean, how are they able to do this? What there's no data that benefits that they're doing, the writing for the people of your own long term.

But one aspect is, of course, repression. And I would add to this, uh, the fact that if you look at the turnout in the most recent elections in iran, IT was the lowest ever IT was the lowest ever of people to participate in the elections in the past four, six years that you mention again and showing the element of people moving away from the reform discourse into a change of regime discourse as rejection.

When you say the lowest ever turn out, that's not a good thing.

No, I mean, that didn't participate in the .

regional elections.

So this is you're talking about talking about the fact that the the regime itself at me that .

iran is are not supported of the regime an's the turn out, right? Thirty nine point two percent, twenty twenty four, right? The second closest, forty eight, twenty twenty one. The way I view this, and please push back, I view this as they have given up.

No, that means that they don't a validate the regime or or basically um you the regime always tried to tell the word, look we are popular people are participating in our elections which was of course fallacy in the force to begin with. They always use that as a pretext to claim legitimacy purpose don't participate.

see is the follow you know how american polls uh uh will say, o you know here clinton is a favorite. I mean it's it's just such a massive landslide Victoria hill clinton over trump and trump wins polls right and right now with all these conversations that are going out to go, it's gonna done. It's over whit in the know, you guys got to go vote.

We need voter turn, voter turnout, voter. Sometimes people stop voting when they think they're vote no longer matters because it's not onna happen anything. The way I read this is iranian people feel defeated that their voice doesn't matter.

You read this differently than I yes, I did. I tell you why. Because look um if we assume that when in countries that hold free and fair elections and candidates are not prevented or preapproved or eliminated by some kind of a filter mechanism impose by by a regime, then of course people have all the instance to make the difference by voting their conscience but when people know that he doesn't matter what they say, the regime is going to manufacture and outcome we saw that a degree movement. Uh what happened a with the um you know my dinner and move. This is two thousand and nine.

Look at that. Stay on that, rob. Go back.

Go back. You see that's the highest. That's eighty four point eighty percent voter .

turnout because they were selling the mindset of reform, despite the fact that they knew that the candidates are filters.

But we view that is the fact that I eighty four point eight three as hope that they had hope that something could happen. Thirty nine point nine two now split. And I looked at IT as iranian people have Normal, right?

You're right. Because if you go back to even before the Green movement, if you go back to the days of A A hot Tammy, twenty one million people, anyone voted for you. This is to the ninety .

seven. Yes OK. So look at .

ninety seven.

almost eighty percent. why?

Because there was a generation saying he's the first guy to talk about reform, talking about promises of liberalization, or that they had a lot of hopes. And guess what happened? The regime started going after the suitors throw them for their dormitory rooms to to their death.

And how time at the time said, don't forget one thing, i'm here to protect the regime. That was the first a sign of being rejected. Flash forward to.

Fast forward to two thousand. And the night again, the running people were standing that they were chanting slogans in english, not to practice the linguistic skills. I present a message, obama, obama, ma, which is obama, or with, again, another. But here's.

i'm studying this data. When you look at a leader, a voice, somebody that's able to rally and get people to go out there and want to do the work, they they don't have somebody right now.

and I tell you, because the mind set there, and again, despite the fact that people knew that well, you know, they used to use the terminology and hobby by battle batta to choose between .

but anywhere. Okay.

that's not really a choice, right? But if you're forced into IT, you have to. But that what chose in the latest statistics? I don't read the way you read IT as a deflation or a lots of hope.

I mean, IT as a as a sign of rejection that they can no longer the regime can no longer claim m the legitimacy by saying, look at the rate of participation in in the election. That's already we may agree to digit, but that's already on IT. why? Because they're tired of this game.

People said, you know what? This regime is not going to reform itself. And the reason I have to insist on this one, Patrick, is because is the key element for world leaders and foreign government sunder stand the change of dynamics and paradise within an itself.

Because all this time, let's not forget one thing, but IT was the europeans, or even some people here in united states looking at iran, was always issue. You know, there are elements that are more moderates, are more reformist. Maybe we can talk sense with them.

And all of that was attempted as part of that behavior change approach that maybe we can come across ah come to terms Better with the those who are less howkins h or less radical than the so called moderate elements. But at the end of the day, when you look at the behavior, the regime IT is expecting hf who was at the helm, the attitude was basically one the same. So I didn't make any difference what, how many would pull out of his a back of tricks and say, this is the next president.

Same thing with rice and company all the way to the current guy. why? Because this is not the people's choice, this is the regime choosing who they would like to bring out of the ballot box, which is a complete mockery of any a elective process, which is why it's important for the votes to be counted in in countries that respect principles of free elections and free, unfairly elections, amErica included. Of course, people should participate in free and fair elections, but why should people participate in a system that doesn't even respect efforts, that doesn't give people an opportunity to truly choose their own?

Can give up on hopes to me, like if I think about, I just had my corona, who from venezuela and her and is that ed mundell? Can you see what ed mond's last thing is? I want to say, correct. I think it's a consul's ords with A G A mondo consul. Las auditor, you do a yes.

So I had media corner chardon who ran against maddi in venezia, and according to their chart, they ended up winning sixty seven percent to my getting thirty one right? And while i'm in of you and her SHE sit in there and internet socks, I can understand anything. She's ying IT was weak, right? And I said, people are no longer interested in Venus.

Well, you're waiting for caliper and bite to help you. They're going to help you mother to the other. They just got up and said then as well on iran are uniting to be on the same page of war against the west.

Wait a minute, he's wanting to remove sanctions. Yet you come back and talk and ship about the us. After you ask them to remove sanctions.

Like what what are you doing? I said you got got to get out. There is no what's working for us.

I said no one's caring about oin eul right now because there's not a lot of stories about IT. And he says, I disagree with you. I said, I totally get you disagree with you.

Let me give you a case study. Here's a case study, the case study that worked, which was unbelievable case study. I'm in argentina six years ago. I know four, five, six years ago let you say and i'm going to run and i'm always interested in what the people are going to say. So i'll tell me what you go wrong.

My god, no ninety percent of us work to take care of the other people that are no longer working and they're just getting handout and whistle sick of IT places getting destroyed. This used to be the paris of the west, you know, whatever they call that, know, argentina, some phrase that they're given us, like the europe of the west, argentina, as friends of the worst. So okay, I said, but how can anything happen with IT? And I go, just we've lost hope.

We ve lost. We've lost then shows up a cycle crazy competitor whose unreasonable and is willing to go to war up against these bureaucrats and the risc craters. And his sensation was very different. haly.

Milly, what does he do? He has the brand to go front of clouds shop and talk about capital. m. He has the brand to get up there A A all these stuff that he's doing, everybody around the world is following this guy and he wins the election.

What any lords inflation, and he's able to get the economy like back to little bit of Normal and able to go up against all these guys. And how did he pulled off? He was able to inject hope into the genti a when I see substance like that would to turn out, IT tells me iranians.

And by the way, I want to transition into this question, and i've got a few other things I still want to go through. But I saw video you posted, I think, two weeks ago where I went viral. And if you remember the video that i'm sure you know which one i'm talking about, you're speaking and farces.

I can show show most of people watching this a lot than will be running, but I know you, but the last time you and I spoke, I press you a little bit at the end about, hey, nobody understands what IT is to be the sun of your your father, you know, grandson of your hazara and all these other things. Do you want to job? Do you want to go back?

Do you want to go back to you run? Do you want to go back to be in that? And you gave your story and and I push back again. You give your version. And finally, you're like. I'm willing to help and willing to be a vessel, but I don't want to move my family back or I don't want to go back and be that person. Has anything with your position change in the lesson uni spoke?

No, i've always said that my life is dedicated to the ation of my country, and I always considered the finish line be the day that iran is go to the poll and elected the next future democratic government as an instrument, as an, as an agent of change who has been called upon. I'm not shining away from this responsibility.

This is tremendous amount of expectations that my failure competitors have in the role I can play to help them in that transition. And you know, I would stick to this line and say i'm not going to put the carriage before the horse. I think we need to get to the point that then everybody, including your truly can say, okay, what's next? But we need to get to that point. And I need to remain focused because I don't want people to be distracted as to a bunch of hypothetic that we think that strategy is certainly, I get the feedback from iran is that is positive because they see that i'm not doing this for me doing this for, I guess, again.

So so you have to realize I would like to see I want you when I have a similar uh, uh, desire, I do as well for different reasons. However, the difference is the do you think like, are there people that you believe would make good leaders for everybody to get behind any run? Are there people that you know and you see that you can endorse and vouch for and say, if that guy did IT I get behind him, if this guy did IT I get behind him, if he did IT I get behind him, do you have certain names that you well.

I am uncertain that iranians don't like talent in every aspect of managing and running a country, whether they are entrepreneurs, whether they are uh, specialist or scientist or good managers and what have they just need to be have an opportunity to show up under this regime. They could not all the talent that we had, had either been forced to leave the country because of persecution, they had to live away from their country as exercises.

They all migrated and became citizens in in other countries. And most of them realized that so long as this regime is there, all of these dreams and hopes for rebuilding our country will be uh, untainted as long as the regime is in place. But immediately once this regime is is gone, everything changes.

All the circumstances are provided for all of us, including myself, to be able to help and rebuild our country. But I don't think we need to start putting you uh, titles and positions to anything. I think that has to be a process, which is why I say, look, rather than jumping the gun, let's focus on what needs to happen. I'm prepared to lead this transition. I have taken uh.

this as a leader or as a advice leading .

the transition.

meaning.

and go back to liver in that transition and go back to, of course, of course, I can do IT from from a distance. I have to be able to be anyone the minute the circumstances are right for me to be able to be there safely. Of course, I will do that and you know the help with that transition and then will see what happens. Let the running .

people see too much that answer, but I don't know.

like I am part of this aren't .

AR no but it's it's very great and and I i'll give you an idea what I mean it's very great and and again, don't take this personally in any way is just my um my interest are the same as yours. I want to see that place be peaceful the world I will feel more peaceful if that chaotic regime doesn't exist, where they look at us as the enemy and the western and ideology as enemy.

And I think tourism back to the middle east world increase in ways we've never seen before, if that regime is no longer there. And you know, on business, I know guys that every year they make ten million box, they take one hundred percent of profits off the table, right? And I know guys that i'll make ten million box to put one hundred percent to ten million box back into the business.

And next year they make twenty million box. They put one hundred percent money back in. And ten years later, they make two hundred seventy million box.

Then they're like, okay, now there's something that we can do. The current regime around doesn't reinvest the resources. And iran, like the way your father did, your father put money back into iran, and these guys are taking money off the table for themselves.

That's what comments has got a ninety five billion or network that whole family, most people are not aware. But no, I think if again, if we go back to case studies of what's work, but Kelly was like this bome, i'm the guy, i'm here. I want to a do the job, let's roll male bomb and the guy screw these guys were going on aftertime.

Here's what we're going to do. Here's why I need your support. Any call that everybody trump and the guy bomb, here's what's going on with america.

The swamp is this bomb, bomb, bomb, every bad to get behind him and the guy. So a part of voter turnout being that low means there is nobody that's going like this. There's a bunch of grey area and no one wants to follow somebody.

I've been in leadership and business for a long time. Every time I see company goal like this, there's nobody that's casting a real vision that's clear the concept of cast and a vision crime prince has to be, in my opinion, I can be wrong, going to very comfortable being wrong. The idea of cast in a vision has to be vm.

IT can't be on boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's gotto be bm. Easy to understand, easy to replicate, easy to share with somebody else, easy to say i'm with this guy.

why? Because of this? Because and paints a picture of the enemy clearly, and people realize what the enemy is on the iranian side right now.

Um I don't see that. I don't see um I don't see somebody that's doing this. And and I think I I think, Frankly, to be very direct.

So let's say trumps on tuesday. Let's say he does. Let's assume he does one on tuesday. And if he doesn't, that's onna get worse to work next four years about the way these executions and all the subjects get to go.

Wars, chaos and modal is going to get work because because common, because way more progressive than bidness, but was a moderate trying to win. The progressive vote comes as a progressive trying to make herself seem like moderate. And she's not a moderate.

SHE has never been a moderate, right? So but if trump does win, the strategy on iran needs to be clear now because you're not onna get possibly another chance for ten, fifteen, twenty, thirty years. How many candidate are gonna that are gona be like this? Trumps like this.

Most of dom are very diplomatic. So if you don't have another twenty years to do this, that means just forty six years that how many how many of these guys have added under control, it's going to go for sixty six years. I think I think the iranian people deserve Better to get something right now to say, now this is our time.

We must see. Let's go an urgency. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Here's why I don't feel that today. You may say in a different ways I just done.

I think the current strategy is still a little bit of great. Instead of black and White, let's roll come behind me. We're gona make this happen.

okay? So if you allow me to, uh, respond, first of all, I define this campaign as a two stage campaign. And I have a five point plan of how to go about IT, not only in face one, which is now until the regime is no longer there, and then what happens right after the regime during the transition to ultimately a secular democratic system. And I think part of the reason, uh, most of my competitions support me this effort is because in fact, they understand my approach to understand the components of this strategy.

I have explained there is much more explaining to do that messaging, of course, but in incorporate the of how to approach this issue, what is needed for us to get there, what do we need to bring maximum support and pressure on the country, regime support for the people? How can we have the onion diaspora be effective influencing foreign governments in coming behind this and and help us succeed back home? What happens after iran, uh, changes the transition period? What is the international government responsibility? T ie.

S we have economic experts thinking of the first hundred days of how to run the temporary government. We have legal experts focusing on constitutional law, on truth and reconsideration as to what has to happen with the remnants of the regime and so and so forth. There is uh uh A A newer project that i've started a couple years ago, which we refer to ensure ipp iran prosperity project, which means what is a roadmap to iran reconstruction recovery.

How can we bring in the kind of resources, assets, investments from uh companies and expertise to redress our country's economic of us and problems? All of that is part of the strategy and it's been explained and it's been, uh, discuss. The only difference is that if you think that I have to necessarily say i'm running for office, we make the difference.

I'm telling you we'll ahead of the curve arguing this issue premature right now. My focus is the only job that I think I have and for which I have the most support for my competitors, and that is to be leading the transition. But in order to lead a fair transition, you cannot be, you cannot be a bias.

You have to be completely impossible and neutral. That is not for me to advocate, should IT be a republic, should be a monarchy. All i'm telling about my fellow competition is that for us to succeed, we need to be able to have a secular democratic system.

And the biggest lesson we learn under forty six years of religious to italian dictatorship is the fact that we cannot achieve the kind of freedoms we want without having separation of religious from government. That's now a concluded, a reaction. And we had to go through the sad experience to get to this point.

Now, at the end, what the people want, we will find out, let the ballot define that. I believe in the sancy of the Better box as being what determines the issue, and ultimately the higher instance in england that people's representative can legislate and decide further country is the magic, is the parliament want that we currently we do not have. So I based everything on the transition period, bringing us to a point that we can have that constitutional assembly. Decide what's best for iran. And unlike nineteen seventy nine, where how many I wasn't unknown, nobody understood what IT means to have an .

islamic .

republic voting place. Light with the some guy standing with a classic of over a barrow, and you had to throw in a Green or red a .

but he took a position though, but he took a position. And and the reason .

why nobody understood nobody, including the intellectuals.

the I know I thought that was actually very simple campaign is tapes. And i'd listen to a lot stuff that this guy, all he's doing is making money. Look at the twenty five hundred year anniversary thing that he put, that your money.

Why should he be spending all that money? If you make me become the leader, i'm gona give that money back. You we're going to share the world together and you're going going to have everyone's going to have rice and everyone.

I've had all these species that would work, meaning is, but at least he was casting something. He was casting gay vision. I think when I good or bad candidate IT doesn't have to be. You can learn from everybody on the way they did IT. I just think, uh, uh, sometimes when you go, by the way.

I think I think i'm casting a Better vision on how many who talk about I don't talking about something. President trump emphasize that bringing the current regime into the fall of the abram accords as if he was going to happen. I tell what, when I was in israel a year ago at press conference, what I said was, I hope the day will come that iran will bring the Abraham icd to the cyrus irca, meaning iran is part of that, a different iran.

And iran with iran. An people are not at war with the juice, or israel are not at war with the arabs in the region, are not trying to instigate chaos in the whole world, but iran is who want to live at peace and a vision of the future. You mentioned my message to the region and all the feedback IT got. Why isn't that a vision? I talked .

about the there is, but respectfully, there is having a clear vision and executing.

Executing has to have the mise, which is why i'm saying it's not gonna happen by itself little bit, is what foreign governments can do. Just that can be an obstacle to that and making more difficult for us to succeed. Or they could be on the right side of history this time.

Remember the two people that came a flu from france to meet with me a multiple times and twenty fifteen N L, A twenty four, I don't know, maybe you when we had the first meeting you in I dc, do you mean the first meeting you and I hand dc a uh, IT me u and H C M X of timoni. And we had a three hour lunch together. I have the pictures. We've talked .

about this before. I don't recall exactly what .

we were discussing. Now I am was IT was an introductory ary. But there were two people that I was speaking to who were with your camp, a one's guys that was raza, and there was another girl, uh, uh, and they were from friends, right? I wrote, and I think we've spoken about them before. I'm trying to find that I wrote a ten page proposal to you on my sincere thoughts they don't ever make you to you or no but honest remember .

long ago because I I want to try .

to find that and send IT over uh uh private and I don't at the time I think you're .

referred to the run national council for free elections in which he was at the time what we were trying to um organize the opposition to say, look, we want free and fair elections in around this regime is not providing us, which explain the reason why we say we need to go beyond this regime so we can have political circumstances iran, for people to be able to participate in free and election that was the premise and the basis of that council back then, right around the same time of the Green movement.

That was, I think I found a nazi, a ghost, and who was and I was, yeah, I found IT right now. And I if I find this letter, i'm gonna. By the way, this is in twenty fifteen, yes, is when this was when we had the conversation.

And and if I find this letter, I want to forward to you privately, I want to send you to words just you and I for you to read. I, because when I think about last forty six years, who has been the most constant voice in helping iran, uh, uh, be free again, if I was. We can see at the beginning stages because at the beginning stages you were, you were, uh, uh, uh you just had a birthday yesterday, right?

Happy birthday too by the you're halloween right october thirty four, uh, two days ago, uh, yet a birthday and when I think about so, you you I think you're sixty four from the mistaken. So when seventy nine, twenty five, you were looking at the time, so and you left a little bit earlier, right? Because you are fighting.

We talk about this last time, right? But if we were to say during that, uh uh forty five years and seventy nine, the number one draft pick, and i'm using an example of sports, the number one drafting of somebody that can bring freedom back to run has been you. If it's been you, I don't know what other names have been up there, but you ve always been the top tory during that entire time till today.

My only, my only request would be for for there to be a more special clear vision and painting the picture of the enemy with a high level of urgency with there's a bigger tunnel and the people are willing to do something because I leave. If trump wins on tuesday, this will be the last chance of you have been able to do so, possibly in un. Eyes, lifetime.

Maybe we're going to get one more chance in the next twenty years. But if the other side comes in and they're able to do what they're doing, you're not going to find another thumped type of a candidate for at least twenty to thirty years. That kind of a candidate where iran fears the way they did would regin back in eighty four when he got elected in whatever the year was when they're like, you know, they released the prisoners and he gave credit to Carter.

The only thing i'm suggesting to use to have a little bit more urgency, i've been able to do that. And if you're gonna say you gna be the guy, be clear, be crisp and paint the enemy in a way that everybody wants to get behind IT. That's an unsolicited advice. You have to do nothing with a walk and to say, this guys, no club dye talking about, but i'm coming from a place I wanted to see this become a reality.

Okay, but let's talk turkey, please. IT takes two to tango. Okay, very enough what .

the leader needs to leave.

OK, but I can only do as much as I can, doing my part together with my fellow computers. Tes, okay. The element that has been missing all these years was not the fact that iranian are not resilience, not the fact that you say that i've given up pope, I say if I had given up pope, that wouldn't still be on the .

streets fighting, getting shot in the .

uh that doesn't mean that that they are resilient on the but they are also sending a clear single to the world. We're not going to validate or legitimize the regime by participating in their mark elections. That's the way you ought to be reading IT because I think that's the correct red not want that are deflated and given up if that given up to bit the home, but just to show up.

So what are we think? What am I saying representing that alternative? And asked that the running people, what is the ask of the running people from the us.

government? Let's try to animate. Number one, they say, we are your natural allies. You keep throwing us under the bus, ignoring us and trying to cut a deal with our enemies within the study school.

In what other ways can we tell you that what we've been killed here, repressed here, and we are the people that can come to terms with you, they don't even need to pursue e IT as we want to be with. We want to rejoin the freeway. But you're not to to be a 因为 every opportunity that we spoke， you have thrown us under the bus.

And I think the question is perhaps clearer, should IT be president trump winning the elections in a couple days as opposed to camera Harris, which probably is gonna a continuation of the biden administration? I i've no indication that that has changed drastic in terms of approach, but lets see if this president trump is IT going to be a half way job, but you raise IT yourself, is IT going to be okay. Enough pressure, they give up on the nuclear, then we can pack your bags and go back home.

We don't want to get involved in any conflict, and they are running. People say, hold on, what about us? What about what happen to our syrian? ian? And by the way, again, let me an emphases.

Patrick. K, i'm not talking about this only because IT suits and benefit running people. IT will affect every country in our immediate region. I know this because I talk to them, I talk to israel, I talk to arabs, I talk to lebanon, I talk to iraqis, I talk to syrians. I know, but even, uh, pakistan and an afghani son, of course not the taliban, but I can tell you what the sentiment regions a change, everyone will affect everyone positive.

not saggy.

Well, i'm not sure if uh the current uh uh uh apparent uh things that we can read between the lines of trump has said no, president trump and trump visit exactly. That's a foggy area. You were telling me that i'm being gray, I think, because we are .

doing our part, but we cannot do IT all by our session.

I also said one thing to everything. Kelly did IT because of them.

Do you think they did? IT because you have them. Do you think millay and books eli did IT because U.

S. Gut involved and they were able to do something. You think venezuela an or venezuela, okay.

And media corona child who was wanting to free manuals as from a dictator like maddi who was destroyed, an incredible society that was the most beautiful place of people having the most oil in the world. They had wealth. They had IT was up just great to people when, as one, people are phenomenal people.

Do you think, uh, that regimes gonna fall with just to help? Or do you think some of these guys that are making that happen, there's only so much the regime can do there. There needs to be somebody that's just a relentless crazy.

Direct visionary, Crystal clear that people going to say i'm gonna to do something with this year. I just think that's been soft the last few years. And all i'm saying is if we walk away, you walk away from this interview and you and I you like, you know, what would they help this guy? Thank you. I'm comfortable with that.

If you say this guy is nobody is talking about, i'm comfortable with that if you all the stuff, but if you leave and in all of a sudden everything is born and you know, Crystal fire, all this stuff that we're hearing and there is a resurrection of the thirteen nine percent that goes back to eighty three percent. All i'm saying is i'm creating urgency to know you get four years. If it's not four years, it's in twenty years and at twenty years may never come.

And if that twenty years never come, you may never in your lifetime be able to go back to iran, where you have some of the greatest memories of your life, with your mother, with your dad, with your siblings, memories of plane outside, flying planes, all the stuff they did that may never happen in your lifetime if there's not more urgency. And i'm very comfortable being a hundred percent wrong. What what i'm saying, i'm not trying to do this with you.

For example, I had eric prince. I don't know, you know eric princess eric prince was on and um uh, he used to be the founder be is a black water rap, black water. I don't know your family with eric prince or not.

Wonder things I asked him, I said, you know if you were to be giving the assignment, I don't think this is the one, rob. I think you ve got to go to the second one. The first one is the fact that, father, you know what i'm talking about? There's two clips.

You you got to go to the second one and I asked them a question about what to do with iran. Here's what his answer was i'm curious what what you'll say about this. Go at rock like some ideas.

If we wanted to um bring democracy back to iran and whether it's a revolution to change to reme, how would you go about? Of course, I think about you think about to talk about give me three things. I mean, you know just this first week we have a small park.

Yes, it's probably seventeen people will watch this and in seventeen people that watched, they'll all gonna iranian just so you know that. But if if I know you can't, do you on your mind know like, do you know, actually I do you know exactly what you you would do? absolutely.

Who else knows? Some of my friends OK get. So what i'm saying it's in. So if I get clip, I look, think about this, reagan took office in one thousand nine hundred eighty one, and he said at the oval office, because we'd had a policy of containment for thirty five years and he said, enough, we're going to fuck the comes.

We're going to go at them economically, politically, culturally associated in always we push back. Member, watch my pod. Guest, yeah afule ly for their prints in in c jack, whether put the link below, by the way of the audience can find IT.

Jack, whether was the guy that went abroad and brought back all the ideas, which became the regan dockery for all the places to push back on the soviet, and I mean, he's the closest thing to a real life. InDiana Jones, anyway, I digress. What they did, what the, what the U.

S. Working in concert with the catholic church and M. I, six in poland provided communications equipment to the shipyard workers, the right, the solidarity movement, students, farmers, the church, all sorts of communications, and that, you know, that the means to communicate is essential.

There's a fantastic book called the dictators handbook of Victor, handbook of very good book. So there is an I asking this question is because us military is private, not going to get involved. You're just not going .

to get involved. You don't need to get involved.

right? But if they don't need to get involved, you know and iranians are cinder thinking their vote as a matter anyway ninety nine percent, or now you're gonna need to find a creative way to get in there to do something outside of the way that it's been, right? How was that strategy? Gonna a be just without U.

S. Military involvement. I asked me, is a private military contractor. He's done a lot of work for a lot of different people.

I think I the biggest contract, the guy was a six hundred million out of contract. Rob from them was taking with the CIA. This this guy was won the most hated guys in america, right? Have you thought about anything like this with pmc?

Um let me go back to what you're pointing out before. Part of the reason I enjoy so much popularity, respect and support by iranians, including the gensec, it's because i've said the course for forty four years when I was first entry, sending my first message to at that time, the court administration brought pressure to impeach the satellite transmission to be made so that people in one could hear my message.

So I never depended on any foreign support in order for us to achieve our freedom. In fact, i've been telling my fellow iron us, we should never depend on anybody else than ourselves, but I would be so much easier for us to succeed if we had support from the outside world. That's the game change.

no. Then some that I could tell you this if he was still like vesa vlad have, could tell you how difference IT was because they actually had support. When was people like sakha of, or or for that matter, the dissidents in the soviet union in siberia lose hope.

Talking about runner reagan the day he called russia and evil empire yes, i've been saying that twice we've seen how to west uh uh, uh, prevailed during the second world war putting an end to the nuts as because you had a rules of wealth in washington and a winton churchill in london and then you had run a region in washington and mark thatcher in london today facing putin and SHE in china and russia. What is equivalent in the western world? We shouldn't be surprised, therefore, that regimes like the warning IT rn survival, these because a mystery on their attitude and and no nature was a big floor.

But now in two thousand, twenty four people in run are on the street fighting the fight. They know that i'm not a miracle worker. They know that we need to have some foreign support.

They know that i'm not sitting back waiting for some military who to occur for us to succeed because i've said that I said we don't require any of that. What I did say, however, and continue to say, and this is my message to both candidates, that in two or three days will end up winning the elections. The us.

Is understand where iranian iranians are today, understand what the iranian people are and where the regime is. You should focus on the iranian people for the first time in forty five years as you put IT, as opposed to focus on the regime. And what should we do with this region? Because the region will never give you the solution to the problem.

The iranian people, on the other hand, will. My entire strategy is based on the iranian people prevAiling over the regime, because they're be the first one to tell you. And I and the rest of the world have similar in thinking and values.

They are with americans, with french, with swiss people living in three countries. We have absorb of that. We are dying to get there.

And the only obstacle between us and free world is this regime. So what is our ask? Therefore, from that would be the next government.

And I agree with you that we don't have all the time in the world. So that's exactly where we have to have A A meeting of minds. So far, we were running on a parallel tracks.

This is only only this match that I am my fellow competitors could do under the best of circumstances, is IT enough to tip the baLance. I don't know, history will tell us. But I can tell you one thing, we can increase dramatically our chances of success if this time we have government to save, you know, we had enough with this regime. At this time, we look at the running people in an alternative, and let's give them a chance to succeed, as opposed to give a regime a chance to change this behavior. If that shift of strategy begins to be marked in terms of american foreign policy, we're finally getting in the direction that could lead to a proper solution.

What do you think about what every print said? Private military contractor.

but I don't know what he said .

because and what was the idea idea using A P M C to go inside and um you know right think enough money to be able to have someone like him go help with the regime. Have those starts ever cross your mind or no.

what are we talking about stock of cover Operations and cool plots and that kind of I don't think that the change in run is occurring to those means. But look, um we saw what happened in iraq and the debates fiction process. Nothing to replace IT with basically living to some kind of failed day solution.

I don't think that's a problem in you want look for the most pot and the scenario of survivability post regime change. A lot of IT depends on as long as elements that have don't have their hands sold in the plot of the running people that will have to face justice one day. But imagine how much you can maximize defections by telling those elements that they can survive regime change, that they don't need to stick with this regime to the biter, and thinking that we are coming back with revenge and want to settle score with the people who repressed us for forty four years.

Iran is are tired of war, of conflict, of repression. They want to be able to breed and free and live Normally, but they need to be given opportunity. We're bring in structure.

We're bring in principles of rule of law. We're bring elements that are prerequisites, what modern society depend on to survive, that discipline, that understanding, I believe, existing iran. Don't think that the running people have been brainwashed.

In fact, you mention something that was interesting in your own childhood, that you were raised in a climate, that they in schools, they were teaching you to chance slogans of death to america, dissent. And you know, a lot of the feedback I get from today's J Z. Young iranians in their teens or early twenties, they say we were all subject to that.

But you know, the gig um is up. We know the truth. We've on our own to, we understand our history.

So the elements for change, the desire for change and the understanding for change is there. How do you further motivate them? How you further empower them is exactly what i'm talking about. This is not radic. How can you empower people to actually succeed?

And i'm be .

cool by some special loves things. I don't think .

i'll give you a crazy thank so I rote this book the academy, the story the academy have been working on for thirteen years. It's story about your father's and IT. It's about the iranian revolution, uh, a kid who gets recruit to a secret society and they help develop leaders that go around the world and do big things.

And the villa in the book is A A savak member that turns against the shaw. okay? And when I wrote this book, this villain was the former deputy director of search.

And i've been written about the sky for many years. Story gets out in all of a sudden. This gentleman calls me, and we started having a conversation together and I say, somebody wants to talk to you, no prom and we get on a zoom together.

And he says, I was a former deputy director. Svc said, really? Yeah, okay, interesting. I look on my shit. This is the guy so said, you know, you rote a book apparently that you're talking about about yeah, i'd like to read that I sent the home.

He reads a book, comes back, calls me as schedules of time, human as his wife come to my house. And we spent eight, nine hours to get the great conversation. And this is a pad of result, which i'm sure you know who is and i'm sure you've have conversations with him and or maybe you haven't I don't know you've had conversations with them or not. So it's that was a former, if you can pull them up. Prob when you know you hear some stories, pata v sob t prob you there is no videos on, but if you type in pad of these would A Z H T S A B E T I writer, that's him.

And if you go to the wikipedia, some of the stuff that he did as a savarus member to go in, and i'm sure you've seen the documentary or the stories, and you know how he was able to get in and get some of the hez's ball laws with women and you know, get them to do what this this guy was a he had an element of jail ghosts, but he had an element of, uh, understanding how to control some of these guys and he worked under your father. Probably the relationship didn't end on the best note, but they were there where, hey, these two people and the how many people, we have to take them little bit more seriously. You know, we can be this nigh to think that this guys the week, and you can topple you and get rid of you, right? So the entire premise of this is of a couple moments of either missed opportunities or arrogance that we all float with all leaders flat with that there's that no one's free from IT.

I can not like, oh, you're such a noble, humble guy. You're never gna fruit with these things, right? Do you think it's a bit naive or even a little bit arrogant or maybe overconfident to think that you know this approach that were going with can the the the very traditional logical approach is gonna the one that's going to bring freedom back to iran? Or there needs to be some creative ways to be able to go up against a regime that come and a that are capable of doing anything.

You have to be able to fight with them. Like if you wasted with a pig, you know, you sometimes got to get down and dirty with them. Do you think that needs to be the case? Or do you think that needs to be now the traditional way of doing things?

You know, Patrick, one thing that is interesting is that having the benefit of time for people to. You know, can't played, do their own diligence and research is very interesting that h the Younger people in run today who, by the way, reproached their parents, what are you thinking, uh, or backing up this revolution were often critical of my father in the sense of if he knew what was going to happen to us, how could he possibly allow this to happen in other words, they blame him for having allowed um his arch enemy is basically succeeding and taking over but the same students today revealing him change his name and as a result I say the legacy that I have on my shoulders is as a result of when they call my grandfather and they say may he rest in peace is also ruhar shot or the way my father today is revealed any wrong forget the fact that their peers in that age group back then we're asking for his head and imagine that's my point.

Imagine if my father who buy the way did warn many, look on the same will be the consequence, not just any round, but for the whole region, that iran will become iran istan IT would didn't take more than a year for the russians to invade afghanistan the way after the running revolution area. Once out. Don't you think my family knew what what's going to happen? He had two choices.

Understand there. Push back a restful bunch of people, execute them and maintain power, or say, look, after thirty seven years of rain, i'm not going to cracked down on my own people. And he voluntarily left the country.

IT was a choice that he made consciously. Yours truly will not be sitting here with this amount of support from iranians, because the same people who reveal my father would have said he was a tired that tried to stay by killing his people. He would.

I've gone in history as a bloodthirsty tyre, a little bit like charge a school at the end of the cold war. So let's understand what IT is that. Is that play here? It's dumb if you do, dumb if you don't.

Well, I tell you what, I think my father made the rational, logical, moral decision, and which is White people today. We say that, and I understand why people are frustrating. Some Young people say, if you knew all of what was going to happen to us, he should have stood their fight widely deserta.

But they would have set the completely differently. Had he actually done that, he would not be known as, uh, a petiole. And somebody who build that country, they would say, look at this, this kill so many of us.

And the question is, let's assume you did that for a second. Would you really have made a difference? Would you really have changed things? There was euphoria at the time. Patric university professors were swearing that they saw how many speak space in the moon. You cannot reason with that mentality.

So yes, there was a huge momentum as a result of the mark is on the one hand and on the islamist on the other hand, that certainly did not like our relationship with was were particularly with america. That is the core of this regime. Ideology is anti western.

Anti is really anti american thing, as I said, is not just a slogan, they actually believe that. But today's generation said, we're not them. Today's generation said, whoever among our partners who thought that was the solution. And you pointed earlier that how many had a message or had the clarity of vision, what do they understand his, uh, understand what what that vision was all about. IT had nothing .

to do about, oh, but that's irrelevant if I understand that.

But IT just tells you how effective IT was.

You have to give IT six. We've had rain for forty six years. Uh, they've had rain of that place with some insane policies.

took the .

russians almost .

eighty years to get rid of. No, i'm we should not wait that now. But then again, why do you ask me the question? Yeah, this question should be posed to downtown trump or kala Harris. Do you understand the consequences of continuing in a policy that actually .

it's one .

doesn't to .

be the number one, oh, one is just to be the iranian number one. You know, I understand.

K, I understand. But let's say, apart from domestic, american polis, sure. Economy.

this is fairs.

Foreign fairs, right? Okay, what's that stake right now?

A lot.

Okay.

let's talk about what you, what china you want to go with. sure.

russia. Okay, the conflict with the ukraine, sure, the middle east, the escalation, the nuclear threat, terrorism, radical ism is a today you're talking about american universities formatting, anti american, anti uh israel, jewish radic finance and trained body running in regimes on the so for how could this not be an element under consideration of brushing IT under the rock and trying to say, you know what, we had enough with dealing with the middle of these problems.

You cannot just abandon ship in that sense, because if you think you don't want to get involved, they will keep you involved. They will force you to get involved. And again, you have to think about the solution not being, how can we contain them or how can we expect them to change your behavior, but say, let the difference be a different iran under a different circumstances.

We need to have a meeting of vice. Otherwise doesn't matter what me and iranians are going to do as long as the world, and especially at his leadership in the free world, in the western world, america, that has a big role to play here, depending on what the end of doing or not, could be the game changer. And i'm telling you very hyste, what I think that is.

I don't disagree with you on that point. We don't have time to waste. And i'm not the only one saying that I bet you many people in the region think exactly the same. And what has had to be confused because the hesitancy or lack of will to do anything from this end .

in washington, I don't think A, I don't think trumps gone to go as far as he's going to go. I think trump's going to go as far, I think the way he is as a leader. So I had conversation with a son, right? Eric, trump was here.

What last week? Or we going to have to go last week, last week. And when he was here, he said when he told me he's run for office, he says, eric, he's going to run the whole business.

What he told me, i've never run this before. You have IT. You got IT right? You get this, you've going to be fine, right? And he has to figure out a way how to make you work.

His father was a style. If you ve got to figure out to make make you work, I think trump's gna help you and say, hey, here's what I want to do. Bone, bone, bone, rest is on you.

You wanted do something about IT. That's what he's going to do. I don't think he's not iranian.

Kay is an american is priorities. AmErica legacy is this moment and debt legacy is his kids legacies. You know israel what? You know what he's done, what is real.

And though you know it's not, let me see what's going to happen with iran. I think he will go as far as empower ing israel to choose to do what I want to do with iran, but not itself. IT will go as far as help and israel do.

IT, you saw what's going out with one has, well, our leader gets killed, then the next one, the replacement gets killed, then the next one gets killed. And the new one just got hard. And god, was this probably got a few days left these days.

Are number right to israel doing their party against here? But trust not gna get involved, right? I think there needs to be a painting of the picture that's cystadenoma for something to be taking place.

By the way, we just had a curiosity, and I know going, does IT at all. Your father passed. We had sixty one years old. Every right did IT at all mess with you that you're now older than does he do anything to as a son of your father that he died at six one year, sixty four and now .

that thought doesn't cross your mind .

to be kind of a little bit, uh, strange feeling.

right? I mean, you know lifetime is a lifetime. There's only as much as you could do in a lifetime. And I hope that I would have a the ability to save my country in my lifetime, obviously. So you know, age does count at some.

You look very healthy. I wonder, like in your mind, like.

yeah, I look, we are all human, right? It's not unnatural to have this kind of thoughts. But okay, let's go back to trump or what we think that president trump is willing to do and where would be his?

Okay, beyond that, these yours, I think that what i'm asking for is something that he would be able to do without going beyond what he likes to do. I know he thinks like a business man. No business wants to have I me.

What is not good for everybody wants to avoid conflict. We are not asking for conflict. In fact, I think what i'm proposing will help avoid conflict. But if you don't do this part, conflict will become inevitable.

And all i'm asking is that okay? You tried and you succeeded when you implemented in your first term maximum pressure when you walked out of the J, C, P, A, who by which, by the way, was no, not something that affected the unions positively regardless of what the obama and strain was thinking at the time. But that's a half.

We think what i'm asking for and i'm not asking beyond that, let's be very clear what might ask is i'm saying that let to maximum pressure you have to have an elemental maximum support to at least give the running people an equal, equal playing field. Nothing beyond that. I'm not asking for america's direct intervention.

I'm not asking for military intervention. I'm not talking about spending american taxpaying dollars on the issue, but if you give us those two components, then fair enough that the rest is up to our serenities. But if you're going to come and say running people, you know what if we can guarantee that the regime is not going to uh, do anything beyond the nuclear threat that's good enough for us.

The rest we don't care. That basic thing is, you know what? The region can stay there, continue.

My securing is wrong. People, we don't care. That's fine with us. We can live with that. Is that the message that amErica wants .

to send you running people and .

that's something for both camps to to consider. Ah that's that part .

of the can be interesting here's what would be interesting rap. Can you check to see the president trump ever visit iran while he was the president?

No, no. But much earlier in his a picture of him in tea, I believe.

no, no, i'm tom. When he was president, sixteen, he he visit sixteen to twenty or not, like, did he go meet any .

other leaders around secret meetings?

And not .

anything.

Ching .

control f iran, nothing .

showed K. So this would be interesting. And I think that would be A I think you be a major milestones for respectfully to you cross int to to pull off is if trump visited north korea, which north korea is a bigger threat, then iran, some would say in the middle of iran, but north korea, you know, him Young, going, his positions, the stuff he says, very radical.

He went there. He visit IT, anybody and everybody. It'd be very interesting if he went and visited iran and accompany you, went with them with the team.

Oh my god, that would be a weird visit if you guys were to go there and have the conversations. That image of you sitting across from them would trump next to you. Now that's a moment in history that i'd like to see.

That i'd like to see. And I wonder, like I got questions that I don't even know if I want to ask. Like I wonder who's on your team.

I wonder who's on who's the people that are doors on your team that can get stuff done. I wonder who is working. I got a those steps of questions, but we're coming to the and i've got a couple of questions.

I wanna king and will wrap up. Can you pull up that won clip with eric prince? He said this. And i'm curious if you can validate this or not.

Is this true? Go and play this clip if you know this bit IT happened to your father at the end or not. I'm sure if anybody can validated as you go head, rob, let's just say hypothetically, ally, and you know what?

Someone just told me that the shaw converted to Christian and I before he died. Did he really? I ve had that story. Yeah, this is his last booky road before he died. Answer to history on, because that's true on .

true OK. One of my site, revolution, he did.

That story circulate among some people that they.

I have no idea where came from, but this part of the same webs of lies and .

the were you Better side when .

you passed the way I was hospital?

I know didn't. okay. So you just validated the story by IT. That was easy to you took you a second to say that yourself, your faith, you, how do you see yourself right now with your faith?

What do you practice? I would say, you know, in the principles of, uh, what believe should be the case is I never would, I would never question a felloe iranians what he or SHE believes in or not be why I would say that I think that if you understand that if you have faith or follow a particular religion, IT should be a private matter to begin with. You should not matter what you believe in or what I believe in.

This is a private matter to us. IT shouldn't be subject to scrutiny. It's the grantee of having the freedom of choice in whatever we choose to believe or practice what there is face or anything else. And therefore, IT shouldn't matter. What is my faith saying this for a predominantly religious country? But the read on the streets today, iran will be not at odds with a just said they would have been fifty years ago, not today, not today. Because if you look at what is happening, everyone today, as a result of imposing an ideology, a religious one of that matter, when you look at what happened to religious minorities in your on to the bike who are forbidden of having, uh, higher education to the juice iran, the highest rate of conver convergence in yun, today's Christian m believe IT or not, under a so called recover that the .

most mosques closing down, by the way.

all of these means that people say, listen, we ought to be able to friday practice without fear and punishment. So the principle that I would like to bring to the table here today, I shouldn't matter what I have a as a faith or not, should be about, uh, the principles and values of of freedom.

You think a Christian man could be a leader in iran?

Or now I hope one day, one is will not worry about whether or not their leaders is a female or a male or a jew, Christian or an native IT should not be that the number .

of mos located in tow snows has declined from twenty percent in two thousand and ten to six percent. And rob, if we can pull up the story I just sentient right now from cbn, iran's jesus revolution, mosques close to as one million muslims, except Christ, which is very, very interesting to see this underground project that's taking place. Anyone with that, it's great to see. Last question again, this is selfish for me, not for .

anyone know do you? You offer the image. Let me tell you right now, look, I can only whatever end of doing, i'm basing everything that I have only, and sorry, my finally running and the resources, nothing foreign, governmental or otherwise.

The image of me coming along with the foreign ader simply means that i'm a puppet of that government or country. I don't want president truck to come and say I endorses of halving. I need president trump and say I would stand with running people and on their side and help them succeed.

Already said, okay, but that's halfway. As I said, the components of maximum support is missing. If that is that fine of this president, we're not a thing to you to go beyond. The rest is on us, but at least you given us a real chance for succeeded.

I think he's done that well.

Let's see.

That's the question. I think he's .

he's already maximum pressure. Yes, maximum support was not really existent. We need to build .

that into the support.

more direct support for the and people give, give, give the money if the technology can be a communication.

can give star link those types of things that can this.

but is under his watch. I mean, look, you can easily, uh, sanction, you can easily a, you know, uh, remove some of the restrictions that exists. We can Better help this matter of poli.

did you see the story that just came out forty five minutes before we started the year? I don't, if you saw the story or not, literally just came up from new year post forty five minutes before he walked in. Iran claims that can build new, threatens israel and us with tooth breaking retaliation.

Ten, twelve years to understand their time. I think we started after that eleven clock the low rab. Uh so iran claimed they could build a nuclear weapon.

A supreme leader on saturday threaten the U. S. And israel toothpick in response to israel strike on irani military legion.

I tell a how many a spoke with students ahead of the anniversary in one thousand nine hundred seven and nine year, the U. S. Embassy in tehran.

An the enemies were the designers regime of united states. AmErica will definitely receive tooth breaks in response to what they are, don't iran and the iranian nation, and to the resistance front. And he continues, if you go. This is at eighty five years ago, a lower rob, if you could. And the the comments came after David top adviser issued a warning about iran's nuclear capabilities, advised camel got A Z is said friday the country could alter its policies on using nuclear weapons if the threat seems big enough, go to law if an existent al thread rises, will modify nuclear doctor and we have the capability to build weapons and have no issue in this regard he said.

your thoughts on this? Yeah, this was yesterday. He basically said, we are only limited by a favor that has forbidden to to go towards that direction. In other words, we can change at any time. But in that context, let's remember one thing, how fragile and vulnerable this regime is.

There are basically puffing and huffing a lot, but the fertility of this regime comes down to any, how many himself who buy the way he is. The one with the problem, not the people, will be run iran. An people don't want war.

He does, but he's imagine a tent and he is the a pilot or the, you know, whatever you all IT that keeps the tank. The many is gone or is weaken. IT will collapse there.

Too many fractions within the regime fighting over power and inheritance. This is going to become even more relevant. You cannot depend until now, it's been a harmony, having the final word and controlling every aspect of iran, a structure where there is the intelligence, where is the military, where there is the sepp. But IT is all the instruments under his his watch. I don't think that his successors, including his son, will be able to be able to maintain that apparently of state any longer.

Which goes back your question, how did they survive for forty five years? Because this has been, and unlike the soviet union, who, by the way, had several different leaders from lonely brain of all the way to the last one being um of course um make a gorby chief before yes and finally came in um iran has had only one leader sees harmony and I was like how many so you're talking about an absolute religious dictatorship under the control of one ultimate man at the top of the pyramid that will collapse eventually. So these are opportunities that will present itself today, running people.

You'll also understand what I was arguing earlier, that this reason will continue now regardless of what kind of a nuclear deal you may have with them, IT will continue for matting or conflict. IT will continue taking hostages. IT will continue supporting, uh, h you know .

all those of the methods that going to us, us.

And that's the part that I think you need to understand that even if you say, you know what we don't need to get involved in in the middle anymore, but they won't give you alone. That will effect for sure and the chances that will be forced back into the equation this time building much higher uh state of would come down in the long term. So I am with you on this, Patrick, that this is not a moment that we need to able to utilize.

I think the running people already more than ever, I hope that our counterpart, as far one foreign key government is concerned, amErica is also ready only in the sense that that paradise that has shifted any round proper needs to also shift in washington in terms of foreign policy. Are we still talking about a peasant, or dealing with the regime, or trying to ask for a behavior change, or we do something, we have their bikes to the wall. Let's throw the knock up punch, not by amErica doing IT for us, but by helping the iranians have the best chance to succeed. And that's what we're asking for at the end of them.

Yeah, I don't. If you saw that, I told how many, how many is h exit camps suspended? I think that facebook, instagram, everybody, if you go.

could IT something .

in hebrew .

and the right. What did he say? I'm not .

sure what is a little to see. The following, his world first open strike against and response to ballistic missile. He wasn't immediately clear what the excess violation was called the law.

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The second post referred to harmony speech and was sent to english counter sinus. Are making a miscalculation with respect to iran. They don't know iran. They still haven't been able to correctly understand the power initiative determination of the running, and people go the low rob, if you could. And in here, IT says the harmony has maintain multiple counts for eighty five year old x for years, I send message and writing language in a PaaS is not the first time he use social social mechanism suspended. And february, meta, facebook, instagram, m removed the council sociate with irani a lead due to express support for her mas following the group support attacks on israel on october seven, went iranian back medicine group of us the uh okay yeah so you know it's really .

laugh hable when how many says that they don't understand the running people? In fact, he doesn't understand the running people and even more stand that he doesn't care about the running. At end of the day.

do you think you running .

people know that? As I told you, they are on the streets proving that they said that to the dictator, they are willing to risk life and lime, just to make the point that we are tired and fed up of this regime. How long will the world continue letting these animals continue to threaten, not to serenities, but everybody, the region and beyond? There was two clipsed of a females rib.

If you can bring one, just bring up both of them. If you don't, and it'll show the first one. And if we can moderate this, one of them was a Young girl who A A soldier, a private. Go to the other one. First.

a story that's exactly .

you share with me earlier. This is showed by manta official. If we can play this clip and if we can moderate what's going on here.

go IT. This was a beauty clip, so we only have the city cameras in terran. So this guy is trying to come and intimidate and at the same time, uh, said something to her and now she's responding in plain view. I mean, this is a woman unveiled anyone what's reacting to the, I think he was there one and not one hundred percent sure. Well.

that was pretty that.

I mean, that shows that you don't know in plain view, they wouldn't have done that five years ago.

Well, listen, I mean, they know White may Richard .

to never want to yours. He was like, is the next one.

which is very the next one rap.

So this is in the university. anyone? And these are girls filming IT from the window that the campus security of SHE probably was not wearing a his job. Not only did he not a put back her his job, he took her close off in plain view.

Look at what what's attack mobilized forces of the keep .

harassing people into. I mean, this the example of the things.

I mean, to the point he knew he .

was going to get the rest SHE did get the rest. That on my way here I was watching the sorting this, Patrick, but looking that, who would have thought that any run you would see something like to her? SHE got arrested last, I know, but couple hours ago, my way here, uh, I would do you .

know what they're gonna do to or if you you got arrested and she's attractive, I mean, what there for her of the audacity to do this.

But what i'm trying to tell you is she's doing this hoping that are not only, ironically, that, but people here in the west .

to see .

that how here in this country the media will ever show this as supposed to showing, uh, perhaps as demonstrations .

about a courage to do that courage. Now that's a lot of.

you know. And what keeps me going at the end of the day, what makes me be sitting here talking to you that i'm willing to give my life up to free my country? It's only because of them.

It's because we cannot be in different to that because we cannot sit back and say, you know what? How could we let this happen? That's what I mean is for not for me, for them.

I think that's the place we can finish this interview with. As usual, another fantastic conversation with you and I enjoyed every single time we do this and appreciate your sincerity and I appreciate you being a sport to take me chAllenging you, pushing you back in your so respectful about IT. That's very adorable. And I think in moments of tension that shows the examples of if you ever, ever put in a position like that, you're gonna able to handle the criticism and all the chAllenges that comes with an apology.

You know what? Always, uh, encouraged criticism because I think if everybody had had the same mind, you will be so stay at the end of the day. Even water, if IT remains daily, will ultimately .

become on. But if we need people like this is not something .

people .

that like an gamer, no respect for you. Thanks again. Thank you. Take everybody bye bye.

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