“Catastrophic World Events” - Randall Carlson: Freemasons, Extinction Events & Planetary Defense | PBD Podcast | Ep. 466
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Your interest with carpentry, how do you get recruited to Freemasonry? Like, how does that process take place? I've never seen a dark side. I don't know what, you know, there's claims that are just, to me, just total nonsense. You know, here's the thing. Freemasonry was suppressed for centuries. Now propaganda is everywhere. It's prevalent.

And it's all pretty much leading us to the mindset of accepting this authoritarian hierarchical structure of society. The largest underwater explosion ever recorded by modern instruments. We cover a lot of different issues. Rob, do you remember this at all?

I don't. That's a pretty big deal for something like that. Absolutely. And I think it was deliberately downplayed. Once in a while, the sun throws off these gigantic blobs of plasma into space. It does it frequently. It would take down pretty much the electronic grid of the planet. What does the adverse person not know that's going on? An awful lot. I was going to do a presentation to Space Force talking about planetary defense. How easily could...

A millennia of human progress get lost in the noise of 200,000 years. You had giant camels, you had

Brownslaw is the size of elephants today. But they all had one thing in common. And that was their belief that there had been this great flood. I came prepared to show you today that the legends of gigantic world-destroying floods are based on real events that we can now prove overwhelmingly. Because nobody had the perspective to decipher it until now. Did you ever think you were making?

I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory. I know this life meant for me. Yeah, why would you bet on Goliath when we got Bet David? Value taming, giving values contagious. We're entrepreneurs, we get no value to hate us. I be running, homie, look what I become. I'm the, I'm the one.

All right. It's great to finally have you here. Well, it's great to be here, Pat. Yeah, I've been looking forward to this for a while. So with the stuff you talk about, sometimes I sit down, I'm like, all the information that's in your mind, in your brain, you read. I mean, we're just sitting here talking about, you know, your wife, PHP, Middle East, Eastern Studies, and how what you used to study with all this information that's in there. What keeps you up at night? What do you think about at night?

Well, I have to say right off the bat, not to start off on a negative perspective. I do concern about the direction of America. I'd like to see us turn a corner here and get back to some of the original values that this country was founded on. But I do have the problem sometimes sleeping because I can't turn my brain off. You can't turn your brain off. And what's your method of going to sleep?

I just, well, now since I've kind of pulled back from my day job, I just go until I drop. And then I fall asleep typically at 5.

1 or 2 a.m. What time do you wake up? Oh, 9 o'clock. Are you reading like nonstop or no? No, I'm... Well, I read a lot. I mean, I read a lot of science papers. I read books on history, on science, the areas of science I'm interested in. I'm a college dropout, but I was majoring in geology. I studied mathematics, history, astronomy, things like that. And I kind of...

you know, I had a company going at the time. And so that was just really taking off. And then my younger brother showed up here. And so I started, we decided to expand our business. We're third generation carpenter builders. Our father was a house builder, carpenter, master carpenter. His dad, from Sweden, he was a master carpenter. So we came up in the trades. I did not

wasn't planning to start out becoming a carpenter um but i got into my early 20s excuse me and then um you know i decided well you know i probably need to do find something to make or earn a living that's legal so i kind of fell back on my old skills that i had learned as a teenager and decided that you know i'd worked a lot of different jobs and uh

I like being outside. I like being my own boss. And I thought, I can do this for a while. And then as I got into it, the more I got into it, the more I began to really love the craft.

And it was challenging. The craft of what? Of being a geomythologist? No, the craft of being a carpenter. Okay, got it. Because, you know, you think a carpenter, you know, you picture somebody out there nailing subfloor or whatever with a pneumatic power nailer. It's way more than that. And when you go back into some of the older skill sets, you know, of previous generations, I mean, what some of these guys were doing was amazing.

you know, you go back and like, for example, you look at some of the geometry in a church steeple, right? And if you want to go back six, seven, 800 years to like the Gothic cathedrals, you know, it all depended on carpentry work because you cannot build a stone vault

without having forming. And that was all the carpenters. And the thing is, is you see the masonry work, but you don't see the carpentry work after because once the masonry is up and set, all of the scaffolding and form work comes down, right? So you don't appreciate how incredibly complex some of these ancient carpentry skills were. I noticed my drill sergeant in the army, who was a leader amongst leaders, tough guy, but we all respected him.

He was a Freemason, 32nd degree himself, drill sergeant, first sergeant ward. And he knew how to get all these big personality guys. And we used to sit there and listen to me. He was a leader. I noticed you're also a 32nd degree Freemason, if I'm not mistaken. I went through the degrees of the Scottish Rite. Now, this is going back into the 1930s.

Well, yeah, this would have been in the 1980s. I've not been an active Scottish Rite Mason. So when's the last time you were active with, you know, Freemasonry? Just before COVID. Just before COVID. Yeah, I stayed active in what's called the Blue Lodge. The Blue Lodge is sort of the core of the whole system of Freemasonry.

And that's where you go through the apprentice degree, the craftsman degree, and the master's degree. You have to get that third degree under your belt. And then you've got the metaphor that I would use to describe it is you're entering this big temple or hall, and you've got this vestibule or outer court, and it takes three steps to get up into that outer court. That's the Blue Lodge. Once you've gone in there and you've mastered that, now there's about four or five other doors there.

that you can access, that lead you into these realms of deeper study and ritual and ceremony and all, which is the way the method and the knowledge is preserved and inculcated is primarily through ceremony. Now, the highest degree is 33rd, if I'm not mistaken, right? Correct.

For someone to become a 32nd degree with Freemason, what does it take? How many years does it take to get there? It doesn't, well, it's changed. It's become a lot easier from what it used to be. Tell me about the difficult days, like what it was before to become one. Oh, it took years. It took years. Now, I went through the stages. I became master of a blue lodge.

And generally that takes seven years. And you start out and you go from what's called the junior steward to senior steward, junior deacon to senior deacon, junior warden to senior warden, and then finally you're in the master's chair. It sits in the east. I did it in six years because somebody ahead of me in the lineup dropped out, so I kind of leapfrogged over one of the stations. But I wanted to do that because there was so much content and so much in that program

Those first three, and they're the core of everything that follows. Now, you started off, the reason why I asked the question, because you're like the carpentry, and then you said the masonry work.

And then, you know, math. And to me, like I remember when I'm on the Freemason side, you're a lot about geometry. Yes. You know, so what as you're advancing, I've had a lot of friends that were Scientologists and it was always about the next one and the next one and the next one. And it was always opening a new level of thing or course or something they're going to be learning. Right. What what was as you advanced?

What things were you learning where like, I never knew about this. That's fascinating. And boom, and boom. That's very interesting. What was it that kept you wanting to learn more? What were you learning at each level? Well, because I began to realize that it had applications to many facets of life. And I was just, you know, I was incessantly curious. And so I discovered, you know, that there was geometry. For example, that's the letter G in Freemasonry, geometry.

Is it geometry or is it genesis? Genesis creation or is it geometry? Geometry. Okay. Geometry. And you see the symbol is a compass which you draw circles with and a square. The compass is in the square. Those are the two instruments of geometry. So you've got those juxtaposed and then you've got the G in the center. Sometimes you've got the all-seeing eye, but it's usually the G and that stands for geometry. And

In the early 70s, I was exploring different spiritual paths and I met up, I was studying under a Brahmin priest at the time. And I was very interested in ritual and how ritual was a vehicle for perpetuating information and knowledge. Okay, so I was learning Brahmin rituals from this priest.

this guy and he had a swami that he was studying under. So through this doctor of Sanskrit, he was a professor of Sanskrit, but he was also a Brahmin priest. And through him, I was connected with this Himalayan swami. And we did a retreat in Northern Minnesota, the North woods of Minnesota back in 1971 and again in 1972. And in 1972, this group had grown around this guy and we decided to do a retreat.

And we needed an assembly building and we needed a place for this, the Swami to stay. So there was an architect in the group and he designed two, you remember the geodesic domes, the Buckminster Fuller domes that were real people were every, you know, building those things back in the day. It fell out of popularity because they always leaked. It was hard to, hard to keep them from leaking and they weren't kind of impractical. Yeah. Let's see.

Somewhere online, there's even pictures of the ones that. So my brothers and I, we got sort of drafted because we had the most carpentry experience in the group. And I remember one of the domes was designed on the geometry of an Islamic mosque. And just I remember figuring that out and, yeah, trying to learn some of the geometry. Let's see. Yeah. So one of them actually had a dome on it. It was actually designed like a dome. And then it came to aspire at the top.

Kind of along the lines of what you're seeing right there. Anyways, it was very challenging but fun to figure out the geometry. This is 1972, summer of 1972. And then the...

So this fellow you're working with, he's not a Freemason. You're just learning about this stuff, or he is a Freemason. No. He's not. He's not. So you're just at this point interested in this. You're fascinated by this with this gentleman that's kind of mentoring you and walking you through this. Yeah. Well, there was the architect who designed them, and then we had to figure out how to build them. And so it's all triangles that are fitted together, and it's all geometry. So that's kind of where my fascination with geometry really started.

took root. Then one of the domes, the one that was with the spire on top, that was featured in a national publication called Shelter. Big format like this, and we got a whole page devoted to that. And then in that, it was basically about

how different cultures and different peoples, indigenous peoples and so on, how they solve the problem of existing in their environment through architecture. So it was everything from like a yurt, something as simple as a yurt, all the way up to a Gothic cathedral and everything in between. And so I, is that the shelter right there that Rob has got? Let's see. Let's see. No, that's not the one. But there is a publication out there. They reprinted it fairly recently.

Rob, if you put in shelter, maybe book, that's all it's called, a shelter. Anyways, we were featured in there, and that's it right there. That's it. That's the one. Yeah, so we're in that, and one of the domes that we built is in there. I don't remember what page it was on, but if there's an index, it's called the Bindu Dome. Bindu Dome. Yeah.

So I acquired, because of the fact that our project was featured in there, I acquired that book and it was filled with, there it is. That's it. That's, yeah, if you zoom in, let's see. Yeah, that's the whole design. So see, me and my brother figured out how to

frame that thing in wood. And if you look at the picture up there immediately to the left of that, the guy standing up there with the nail apron, there's two of them. That's my younger brother right there. He's my business, that guy right there. That's Rowan, my younger brother. And he and I are partners right now. And they've been partners. And you guys built this?

Yeah, well, we were lead carpenters. Okay. And when you first built this, was this like a big deal that nobody could pull off at the time? Pretty much, yeah. Okay. Pretty much, yeah. So your interest with carpentry, how do you get recruited to Freemason? Like, how does that process take place? Well, because as I started studying into the history of building and architecture, I kept seeing over and over again Freemasons and their involvement. Right.

That's what led to it. And then by 1978, I was really curious about it. And I also discovered, you know, there was a lot of spiritual symbolism and things like that involved that like added this whole other dimension to it. And then just right around the time I met my wife, in fact, where she was living, her next door neighbor was a Freemason.

And so I got to know him, and he introduced me to a buddy of his who was writing a book at the time, who was also a Freemason. And one of the criterias to become a Mason is you have to have two Masons in good standing vouch for you, and then they sign your petition. You have to make—and I'll mention it. Freemasons are not permitted to solicit.

You don't do that because the impetus has to come from the candidate. So in other words, if you're interested in becoming a Freemason, you have to go. You have to seek him out. Interesting. Yeah. Very interesting. It's not like anything else where somebody, you know, disciples and invites you and there's an invitation or calling or anything like that. If you're interested, you'll find it.

So, okay, so why do you think, I mean, when you look at the history of people that when they, you know, became presidents, Freemasons, George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Monroe, LBJ, FDR, Buchanan, Garfield, Teddy Roosevelt, Taft, Harding, Ford, even the honorary, you got Reagan, even Clinton when he was a kid, he was part of a Freemason, you know, a certain program. The D-Ballet. Right, he was part of that. Why do you think...

So many presidents pre-we-can-go Gerald Ford. What was the advantage that they had? What did they teach you that helped you become a president? I would say that I will also mention LBJ never went past the apprentice degree. He never made it to Maryland. Who was the highest ranking out of all of these presidents, by the way? Who made it to 33? That's a good question. I did know that once upon a time, and I don't remember the names right offhand. But yeah, if you count up, I think there were... It's controversial whether Jefferson was...

I think he probably was. I think he was initiated under the Grand Lodge of France when he was in France. But then the revolution, the French Revolution came along and all the records were destroyed.

So there's no proof that he was a Freemason. However, I've read a lot of Jefferson's work and there are certain very idiomatic, idiosyncratic, I'll say, turns of speech and things that are in the ceremonies that are recognizable to other Freemasons. And some of those have showed up in some of his writings that I've read, which leads me to suspect that he was an initiate in the craft.

But, you know, there were, by my counts, there were 14, about 14 presidents who were Freemasons. And the last one who was a full, you know, master mason was Gerald Ford. Really? Gerald Ford was a master mason? Interesting. Yes. Let's see. He was... 30-30 Greek. Yes. Yeah, there he is. He was... There's nobody after Ford, is there?

Is there anybody showing? No. No. It's just honorary. Reagan was an honorary. But what is the advantage? What is the edge that you get when you're in it that helps you become a president? I mean, it's not like it's a method of mental and mind cultivation, mind development. And it's also requires I'm sure very much like the military. It requires discipline.

focused discipline and dedication to goals. So you kind of, you learn that you learn that, you know, this, this discipline, if you, if you become a master, like, you know, I said, you know, it takes a lot of work to become a high ranking Mason. And so to get to that stage, you've, you've, you know, you've had to cultivate self-discipline and, and, and also the whole, the mental training is, is extremely powerful and valuable. And I,

That was one of the things that I really got out of it was, I guess the longest thing I'd ever memorized was the Gettysburg Address by Lincoln.

But then when I get into Freemasonry, the way it works is you think of it this way. Think of it as a play with actors and all of the officers, like say in the Blue Lodge, are actors. Right. So you go in and you're a candidate and it's like you're participating in a mystery play, a drama. And of course, you don't know what's going on. So you're just passively led through the whole thing. But then you have to go through the series of rigorous tests to show that you've learned something.

So think of it this way. If you go into the Blue Lodge, there's a whole series. You've got what's called the entered apprentice degree, the fellow craft degree, and then the master's degree.

Each one of those has what's called a catechism. And what the catechism does is it's a series of questions and answers that guide you through everything that you did in this ritual. Now, the ritual, think of it as a play in three acts with, say, seven actors and then the candidates. So there would be a total of eight, right? And then what happens is you're led in, you go through act one of the play,

And then you have to learn this catechism and master it to a pretty high degree of proficiency. And what that is, it's like the equivalent of learning the parts, the key parts of the actors in the play. And as you go through the way the system is set up, it's quite ingenious. When I became an officer in the lodge, I went into what's called the junior steward, which is the lowest officer. You don't have a lot to do, but you go to the, and you see the degree work, as it's called.

And it's like you're watching the play over and over again. Then the second year, when you move up to senior steward, now you become a more active participant in the play. But you've had a whole year where you've been watching it and absorbing it and learning it. And then each degree you add to what you previously learned. So by the time you've got to the master of the lodge, you're sitting in the east and

Masters always sit in the East. They control the lodge with a gavel. And so at that point now, you've learned pretty much not only the part of the master and East, you know all the other parts. It's like being in a play and not only knowing your own part, but knowing the parts of all the other actors.

So it might take you two hours. When I was in the East, it would typically take us like if we were going to do an initiation or a degree work, it would typically take us about two hours. Is there a dark side to the secret society or no? Is there a... I've never seen a dark side. I don't know what, you know, there's claims that are just, to me, just total nonsense. You know, here's the thing.

When you had, you know, at its peak, there was like 5 million Masons in America. Now, this is probably in post-World War II into the 50s and all of that before television and, you know, certainly before the Internet and all of that. But, you know, you get something that big with that many members, you're going to find, you know, not everybody's going to be a sterling individual, right?

Just like any organization. You know that. Yeah. Now, I point out that, yeah, well, there was 14 presidents that were Freemasons. That's a lot of power. Excuse me? That's a lot of power. Yeah. I mean, so for me, here's what I'd be curious with. So, 14 have become president. By the way, I looked at what other 33rd degree they had. It's between Ford and Truman. Truman was also a 33rd degree. I would believe that, yeah. And...

Is there an element of unity where Freemasons defend each other, back each other up and help them move to the higher rankings of different industries? Is that a part of a vision that's privately discussed? Let me put it this way.

If you've got somebody who's been through the ranks of freemasons, just like if you had a buddy from the military and you knew that they were disciplined, that they could get the job done, that they had proven themselves, you would definitely be inclined to hire them. Right.

or to partner with them or whatever, right? Because you've already seen that somewhere within the social sphere, they have proven themselves. It's really very much like that. If you had worked in a corporation, if you had started a corporation with somebody and you had built it up and you knew their work ethic and you knew their discipline and you knew that they had, let's say, extracurricular activities such as being involved with charitable organizations. Now, Freemasonry, I should mention Freemasonry

I haven't seen the latest statistics before COVID. You know, a lot of the older lodges went under during COVID. But back, you go back a decade, a couple of decades ago, and on average, Freemasons were raising a million dollars a day for charitable and mostly going towards charity.

You ever heard of the Scottish Rite Hospital for Crippled and Burned Children? Yeah, I mean, that's totally a Masonic charity. They have iBanks for children. They have, you know, children's homes if you've got children that do not have parents or whatever. I mean, our lodge, we would regularly, three to four times a year, we would have fundraising that all went to charity. There's the Masonic Home in Macon, Georgia.

And I've met some fine young men and women that were raised in that environment who are now themselves Freemasons and helping to raise money. But yeah, it's a huge...

organization. And a lot of people are surprised. You showed us looking surprised on your face because it's not really known. They don't advertise that. No, that's, again, for me, the guys I met that were high ranking, when I spoke to them, it was a lot of depth. I'm a math guy. I'm interested in math. I'm interested in strategy. And

They were interested in architecture. But for me, it's a community you're in that helps you move up in life. By the way, what do you know about the... Is it the Quattro Coronati Lodge No. 2076? What do you know about that? Do you know anything about that or no? Not a lot. I mean, I think they were a research lodge, if my memory serves me correct. They were a research lodge that did a lot of publication, writings, and things on some of the deeper mysteries of the craft. Because...

There is a lot of depth to the whole system. It's the symbolism when you start unpacking it pertains to every aspect of life. Do you yourself, like even today, like for me, one of the things I want to ask you about, you go to Smithsonian, right? And you wonder...

Who controls history? Today I'm having lunch with a very respectful Syrian lady who has done... I'm a Syrian, I'm Armenian, and she came to me because there's a meeting going on they want me to be part of. No problem, I'm honored by it, but I'm talking to her. And she's gone around the country talking to a lot of people that...

slowly but surely are eliminating all the findings and all the inventions that Assyrians had. So they're losing credit. Other people are taking credit for what's going on. This is her mission, what she's working on, right? So you wonder like some of the people that control history, what did they do with it? So then for me, it goes down to, are there secret societies that have the type of influence and pull that can rewrite history and gaslight us if we want to? And

How do you feel about other secret societies? When we hear about Skull and Bones, when we hear about Illuminati, we hear about—what do you think about these guys? Okay, so Skull and Bones, I mean, I know that that's a—I don't know much about that. A lot of people get Skull and Bones. They think if you're Skull and Bones, you're automatically Freemason, which is not the case. They're really completely separate. I think Skull and Bones wasn't that Yale University graduates pretty much. They may have—

some quasi-Masonic stuff because as far as secret societies, you have to bear in mind that during some of the post-Middle Ages, during the time of various religions, religious suppressions and so on, I mean, to be a known Freemason was essentially a death sentence. Yeah.

Freemasonry was suppressed for centuries. After the decline of the Gothic building period in the late 12 and early 1300s, there was a shift. The lodges back then were called operative because they actually built things. But what happened was you had this major climate shift, late 1200s, early 1300s. What made the Gothic cathedral building different

era possible. And I don't know if you've ever toured some of the big magnificent cathedrals like Chartres, Amiens, Reims, Notre Dame. Put it on your list. It's worth doing. So what happened was he had about 300 years of warm climates.

abundant agriculture that came after the Dark Ages. And the Dark Ages were a time of deterioration of society. It was very cold. The Dark Ages were essentially launched around in the 500s. And it was some of the coldest weather of the last 2,000 years was, say, between 536. They say 536, the paleoclimatologists say that might have been like the coldest year of the last 2,000 years.

Anyways, you had like 300 years of really, you know, bad climate. And then that ameliorated in the 900s. The planet warmed up. That was when, you know, the Scandinavians were colonizing Greenland and farming where it's now permafrost. And you had this long growing season. You had abundant crops growing.

People were well fed, and you see between 950, say, and 1,050 to 1,100, the population of Europe expanded enormously. People's lifespans expanded. Infant mortality went down. Even the stature of people during that medieval warm period increased by like four inches on average. Well, as a result of social— Stature increased four inches on average? About that, yeah. Wow. Because—

like it took a few generations but I mean look at how much over the last two or three generations the Japanese have grown. They used to be considered I don't want to be racist here but they were

Their stature, they were short. But now, you know, I don't know what happened with the Japanese, but their average stature has increased considerably in the last few years. Rob could probably find a statistic on that. But my point is this. Society got wealthy. And because of that wealth, they were able to undertake this tremendous enterprise of cathedral building.

And then in the early 1300s, the climate flipped again and it got cold and it started the Little Ice Age. And in the between like 1312, 1314 and 1330, right in there, 1340, you had a whole series of very bad years where you had agricultural failures. This led to people being hungry. It led to famine. Famine caused people to be malnourished. Their immune systems got weakened.

And then in the 1340s, you had the bubonic plague. And that was the end of the, for the most part, of the cathedral building era. Rob, can you pull up the link I just sent you? Very interesting what he's saying about the Japanese and the Vietnamese. It's a great famine of... No, Rob, can you pull up the link I just sent you? If you just go on Google and you type in, has height of Japanese increased? Just type that, has height of Japanese increased? And then if you go to the first one right there that comes up,

If you can zoom in right there, whatever you have. No, you just had specifically in the 50s, the average height of Japanese men and women was 1.5 meters and 1.49 meters, respectively, four centimeters shorter than Vietnamese at the time. However, more than 50 years later, by 2021, height of Japanese men and women is 1.72 and 1.58. Yeah. Respectively amongst highest in Asia. Interesting. Yeah. So that's what happened in the Middle Ages. Yeah.

And even more back then, probably. I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was part of that, it was symptomatic of just the general, you know, improvement of society that occurred at the time. Is this food, nutrition? Yes. I think that's the primary factor. Yeah, yeah. So because of this wealth and people having leisure time and this increase, it was a considerable increase in population in Europe.

That provided the environmental context that made the great Gothic cathedral building era possible, which lasted from about 1130 to about 1300. That was the peak right in there. And then it declined rapidly after that. And when the bubonic plague swept over Europe, you might look that up, Rob, to give us the exact years. I think it was around 1340, give or take a decade ago.

That pretty much brought the whole enterprise to an end. 1346 to 1353, yeah. So it was the most fatal pandemics in human history. As many as 50 million perished, perhaps 50% of Europe's 14th century population. Yeah, so there was no more... You didn't have the labor pool. You didn't have people to quarry the stones, to carve the stones, to do the stained glass windows. You didn't have the carpenters to build because...

I mean, imagine if half the population goes down, the other half is struggling to survive. So that was pretty much the end of what has been called the operative dimension of Freemasonry.

But they had all of this knowledge that was of geometry, astronomy, engineering, symbology. In order to preserve that knowledge, they became philosophical, or sometimes the term is speculative.

And so it's like a rebranding that they were going through. Like a rebranding. You can look at it that way. It was like a rebranding. Now you don't have to actually be out there slinging a trowel. You don't have to actually be building formwork or any of that because we're going to codify all of this information into this system to perpetuate it for whatever point it's going to be valuable in the future. So at this era that you're talking about, the reputation for Freemasons is now better versus what it used to be before. Right.

Well, yeah. So, well, then it had it went underground after. So, you know, then, you know, we went into is we go into these the Little Ice Age. There was a period there where you had this rise of superstition. And, you know, like a lot of them, a lot of the witch burning pogroms were directly connected with inclement weather.

You know, there would be a cold spell or a hailstorm. And, you know, then the priests were blaming that upon the witches. So in order to try to rectify the, you know, the bad weather of the 14, 15, 1600s and so on, they were burning women at the stake. And they were also killing Freemasons. If you were a Freemason, you would, you know, you would be perhaps your life would be in danger. What year is this?

This would be from 1400s right down to the early 1700s. And then what happened was society became more liberal and more open to science and all this, right on the heels of the scientific enlightenment, which you would call in the Renaissance. In 1717, you had three lodges in the United Kingdom, in the British Isles, that sort of in a sense went public. They...

They joined forces, they formed what is now still to this day the Grand Lodge of Britain. I think it was 1717. Grand Lodge of Britain, pretty sure that was the year. And then it's been pretty much, you know, it's been open since then. But the secrecy, yeah, what's the year up there? 1717. Okay, that was the year. So they consolidated these separate lodges that had existed in secret.

in order to preserve themselves. So then they joined forces 1717 and became the Grand Lodge of Britain, which charters most of the Masonic lodges around the world. And there was also, interestingly, out of the Crusades, you might be, and I'm a little bit rusty on the specifics of this, but there was a whole branch of Freemasonry practiced under Islam, under Sufism.

And I did study that back in the old days, you know, when I was first learning. Idria Shah was one of the researchers who looked at the correlations between Freemasonry and Sufism. And there are some very striking correlations in terms of the symbolism, the ritualism, the practices and all of that.

which suggests that perhaps back in the Middle Ages, when all of this was starting to fall apart because of the plague and all of that, there was probably an eastern branch and a western branch. The eastern branch you would have found around, you know, from Anatolia, around probably Iraq,

Iran, that whole area in the Middle East. I think there was probably a whole branch of it at that time. The Order of the Eastern Star, that's the Order of the Eastern Star. Now, that's primarily for women, female relatives of active Masons. This episode is brought to you by State Farm.

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And today, Freemason today, what role does it play today? Because when I'm asking Secret Society, Rob, do you have that clip with President Bush and John Kerry when they're asked about, I don't know if you've ever seen that before, when they asked about Skull and Bones. Play this clip and look at the reaction and how the discomfort of explaining. Go ahead, Rob. What happened to Skull and Bones, the Secret Society? It's so secret we can't talk about it. What does that mean for America?

The conspiracy theorists are going to go watch. I'm sure they are. I don't know. I haven't seen the rest. Number 322? First of all, he's not the nominee. Are you prepared to lose? No, I'm not going to lose. You both were members of Spell and Bones, a secret society at Yale. What does that tell us?

Not much because it's a secret. Is there a secret handshake? Is there a secret code? I wish there were something secret I could manifest. 322, a secret number? There are all kinds of secrets, Tim, but one thing is not a secret. I disagree with this president's direction that he's taking the country. We can do a better job than I intend to do it. And we'll be watching. Be safe on the campaign trail. John Kerry, thanks for joining us. And we'll be right back. So he's asking both of the candidates the same question about 322, you know, skull and bones.

There isn't that vibe today with Freemasonry, right? It's not like people are hiding it today or uncomfortable with it. Well, there are those, you know, who take conspiracy theories and there are real conspiracy theories in history. But, you know, there are those out there who are, you know, blaming Freemasonry for everything that's going on. And that's complete BS. It's just nonsense. That's my opinion. And I would challenge anybody. OK, name some names.

You know, look at, you know, the World Economic Forum. Look at the, you know, any anybody in the Biden administration. It's a free name. One, just name one. You know, the Atlantic Council, the Trilateral Commission. Go through there and just tell me some names and show me what lodges they were raised in. You know, because that's what's missing from all the conspiracy theories is anything specific. Why do you think Freemasonry should stop after Ford?

Why did it stop after Ford? Well, it... I would just think that there was, you know, it just... A different generation. I mean, after Ford, then Carter became president. He was not a Freemason. He was a member of the... You know, he was a Southern Baptist, but he was not a Freemason. And then...

You know, like you said, then after Carter, it was Reagan and he was made an honorary Freemason, but he never actually went through the degrees. And then George H.W. Bush, he was not a Freemason. I think it just, you know, it was because it was a very prominent organization from the founding of this country up until the mid 20th century. And I just think that, you know, you had a generational turnover and,

And, you know, the numbers declined. Like I said, Freemasonry peaked in this country, like I think right around World War II. Five million, you said, right? Right around five million. Where is it at now? God, I haven't seen the latest, but it's probably declined maybe half of that, maybe three million. So it doesn't have the influence it once had? No. Okay. It does not. So let's talk about history. So for me, okay. So when it comes down to us...

You know, and study in history. You go to school, you read a book. You have to trust that's the history they're telling you. You're 13 years old, you're 12 years old. You go home, you ask your mom and dad. If your mom and dad are like busy trying to make money and they forgot what they read 25 years ago, they're like, babe, honey, I don't know. Go Google something, right? Then you go to Google, okay? So you're studying history.

Then let's go to a museum. Okay, so we go to this museum. All right, who is funding the museum and who has influence over the museum? Is it the people that are giving it the money? So is the donors that have the control? Can archaeologists manipulate and confuse? Who can guess? Who do we trust when it comes? Is it just a writing? So when it comes down to history being told, how does one trust who's telling the real history of the events? For me, it just comes down to looking at

all sides of, you know, I try to look at different perspectives. So I might read, you know, Paul Johnson to get more like the conservative interpretive of history. And I might read somebody else to get a more liberal left wing side. Then, you know, you look at

To me, it's a matter of looking at all sides, applying your reason, your critical thinking abilities, and knowing, for example, how propaganda works, learning how to recognize it, because now propaganda is everywhere. It's prevalent. And it's all pretty much...

leading us to the mindset of accepting this authoritarian hierarchical structure of society. And, you know, trust the experts when it comes to COVID. Trust the experts when it comes to foreign policy. Trust the experts. You know, when it comes to climate change, trust the experts. You know, and if you're not, you know, a government funded scientists, your opinion on climate change doesn't amount to anything.

So for me, it's just a matter of critical thinking, using your reason, being skeptical, looking at all sides of an issue. And I think that we can sort it out. I've looked at the climate. I got interested in climate change before.

you know, literally back in the 70s. And so I started studying it. And, you know, when 19, oh, about 1992, when the IPCC published its first report, I thought, good, because by that time I had learned enough to realize that in the past there had been extreme climate changes on planet Earth. And we didn't have an explanation for that.

you know where I grew up in Minnesota was right at the edge of one of the the great ice sheets that existed down until about 10,000 years ago. Well so I would I got fascinated with that I mean we we lived a rural life we we had property we had acreage on a lake that was one of the puddles left over from the great ice sheets where we lived was right pretty much at the edge of the ice sheets so the ice sheets would expand and contract and without knowing specifically

always had this sense about the landscape that there was something there. There was some kind of story there that a hill wasn't just a hill, that a lake wasn't just a lake. And then later I came, about the time I got out of high school, I started traveling around. I loved the outdoors. I camped and hiked all the time. So I kind of got to the point where I was like,

Okay, there's a story here, right? There's something that's interesting. Why is this like near our property, right on the edge of the lake? I used to play on it when I was a kid. It was a boulder, maybe about the size of, double the size of Robert Rob's desk there. Big boulder, just sitting there, completely out of place.

As I got older, I was like, why is that rock sitting there? You know, like a lot of people, maybe it's just a rock. It's there. We don't need to know. But I was more like, you know, why is that rock there? And then...

I've told this story. I'll tell it again very quickly. 1969, there was a the Minnesota River flows from it flows across southern Minnesota. It comes up and joins the it's a tributary to the Mississippi River. And yeah, there it is right there. So if you come down, it's right up there where you see Minnesota.

Big Stone Lake? Mm-hmm. Okay, that was the outlet. God, there's so much to get into here, man. That was the outlet of Glacial Lake Agassiz, which was this gigantic inland freshwater sea that was left over from the melting of the glaciers. And it burst out catastrophically right there at Big Stone Lake. And it's called Big Stone Lake because if you go there, there's these big old stones sitting out in the field randomly. And you go, okay, how'd these stones get there, right? So...

It was the summer of 1969. Randall, can you put the mic in front of you so the audience can... Yeah, I was summer of 1969, and there was a place called Flying Cloud Airport at Eden Prairie. Yeah, look at that. Okay, so at Eden Prairie, there was bluffs overlooking the Minnesota River Valley. And if, Rob, can you pull up Google Maps and go to Terrain View? And then once you've got that up...

Yeah, go to Terrain View and then put in Eden Prairie, Minnesota. Now, go to, Rob, go to Terrain View, which, there we go. Now, let's see. Go to Eden Prairie, Minnesota, and then we're going to zoom out. And I'm going to show an example of what's called an underfit river. Let's see. I think we're a little, yeah, go south of there. Right there. Now, zoom in right there where you're at on the river. Okay.

Okay, pull it down a little bit to get it centered up. Pull it down. Okay, you see the river? Okay, so now go a little north of the river and you're going to see right there, you see the embankment? Yes. Okay, that's an embankment that's about 200 to 250 feet high. Right where that red dot is, if you go just to about maybe 2 o'clock,

It's 1969. I'm standing up on top of the bluff and I'm looking at the river down below me, right? And I see that river and then I look beyond the river. And if you go south of the river, you're going to see another set of bluffs. They're not quite as prominent, but yeah, okay. You can see them. They're quite prominent. Yeah, there they are. There's the other set of bluffs. Well,

So I was standing there looking and I had this epiphany. And the epiphany was as I'm looking down at the modern Minnesota River and it's in its channel. And then I'm standing up on these bluffs and I'm looking at I could see another set of bluffs three miles away. And I had this epiphany, which was that, God, is this am I looking into the giant river valley here?

Now this is, I didn't know anything about any of this, but it turned out that yes, that's a gigantic river Valley. And it was a river that was right there, three miles wide and 200 feet deep. And it was called glacial river Warren. I learned later in the eighties, I learned that it was glacial river Warren. And I also learned that the, that the peak discharge of glace, there it is glacial river Warren. Um,

It was, yeah. Lake Agassiz was formed from the meltwaters of the Laurentide Ice Sheet during the Wisconsin. Yes, yes, there it is. That's the whole thing right there. And so, as it says, there was a prehistoric river that drained Lake Agassiz in Central North America between 1305 and 10,650 BP means before present. So that river at its peak was 4,000 times greater than the modern Minnesota River.

4,000 times greater. And I didn't know... You know, I had this impression I was probably in an altered state of consciousness. What were you smoking? I don't remember. I don't know. Maybe Acapulco cold. I don't remember that particular day. But knowing me back then, I probably was. Okay, okay. So I confess. But the point was...

That stuck in my craw for years. And after like a decade, in fact, after I had become a Freemason, I mentioned that one of the brothers that signed my petition was writing a book. Well, his book was on catastrophism.

And I was getting really, really interested in that because, again, I had learned about the ice ages and I like, really, what? There was, you know, the whole of Canada was buried under a mile and a half of ice. So were New York City, Detroit, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison, Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland. They were all buried under ice there.

Yes, they were buried under ice. And this, you know, this is not long ago. This is between 10 and 25,000 years ago. So I just, you know, I'm obsessively curious about stuff. So I wanted to know more about that. And that's when I discovered that science had no answer. Like what caused the end of the ice age? Well,

There were old assumptions based upon old models, which, you know, based upon the energy requirements available.

In order to melt the quantity of ice that was covering North America and Northwestern Europe, it was between six and seven million cubic miles of ice. That's as much ice as now in Greenland and the South Pole together. So take the amount of ice that you've got now, South Pole, Antarctica and Greenland, double that. And now we're back in the ice age. And so.

The old assumption was that that took 30, 40, 50,000 years to melt away. Then radiocarbon dating comes along in the 50s and 60s, and by the 70s, enough data had come out that it was apparent that the disappearance of the appearance of the ice, the growth of the ice sheet, and the disappearance of the ice were way, way faster than anybody had ever imagined.

There we go. So on the right, you see the Laurentide Ice Sheet. On the left over Western Canada, you see the Cordilleran Ice Sheet. And then you've got the ice-free corridor in between them. So this would have been probably this would have been around 13,000 years ago. If you go back to 50— That's not a long time ago. No. No, it's not a long time ago at all. Not in terms of Earth history. See, now we're getting to the mystery of it.

This is not long ago at all. Now, when you had this much ice... Yeah. Now, this is not even showing the ice over northwestern Europe. But when you had this much ice, where did that ice come from? Well...

It came out of the oceans, right? So to accumulate that much ice on land, you have to drop ocean levels by 400 feet. Now think about that. You're right here, Fort Lauderdale. If you drop ocean levels by 400 feet, what happens to the coastline? What happens to the beach? It ain't there anymore. In fact, I think from here on the east coast of the Florida Peninsula, I think you probably have to go 30 to 50 miles further east to get to the shoreline.

So when that ice melted, then sea level comes up 400 feet. Now that's real sea level rise, 400 feet, compared to what the panic is now, oh, it might raise another six inches in the next century or eight inches, I think.

Of course, the projections are based upon, in my opinion, faulty computer models. Did you listen to the, what do you call it, the Twitter spaces between Trump and Elon Musk? I haven't yet. Did you listen to, okay, so then you didn't hear the exchange on climate change between Musk and Trump.

I did not. OK, Rob, can you find that? I don't know if you have it or not, even if it's the clip. I just want to have him hear it and react to it, because, you know, there was this was a position where Musk took the position to say, you know, climate change. He did then he didn't fully discredit it. He came from a place of let me see, Rob, if you don't have it, I'm trying to get it if it's on.

Trump, Musk on Twitter. I don't know where you're trying to find it. If you can see if they have it. But OK, I'll ask you until Rob finds it. What do you so what do you think? You know, the debate because you hear scientists like, no, it's undisputed. This is for sure. This is what's happening. And here's what we need to do. Is this the one, Rob?

Is this... No, hold on one second. This is them talking about nuclear energy. Let me see if I can find... Yeah, if you find it. But I guess the question for you would be, what does the average person not know? We're hearing what we hear about climate change. What does the average person not know that's going on? An awful lot. Specific to climate change. Okay, specific to climate change. Well, I would say the biggest thing that they don't know is...

is the degree and extent and frequency with which climate has changed naturally over and over and over again. I mean, I would say this. Okay, so explain to me how we get from half of North America, the climate of half of North America 10 to 12 to 13, 15,000 years ago was a climate like you now find at the South Pole. I mean, that's not an exaggeration. So,

If you believe that the climate, that there's some steady state that we're supposed to find, that we're, that's what we're supposed to, you know, we're supposed to find this, whatever, you know, what are we trying to do here? Get back to the climate of the 1800s or the early 1900s. You know, people don't know the extent to which climate has changed. So I just mentioned the fact that sea levels rose 400 feet. Well, nobody in the mainstream is really thinking about that. You know, you have to go to,

marine geologists, they're talking about it and realizing it. Oceanographers, paleoclimatologists who study ancient climate will tell you, yeah, it's

It's overwhelming that evidence that the climate has changed over and over again, orders of magnitude beyond anything we've seen in the last century or two. That's what most people don't know. They don't know the degree and extent to which the climate has changed naturally without anthropogenic influences and long before we were...

before we were driving SUVs and putting carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The other thing they don't know is that the thermal capture ability, the long wave radiation coming off of the Earth that the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere can capture is limited. In fact, most of the thermal capture is within the first hundred parts per million. And beyond that, it tapers off logarithmically.

So that by the time you get to 420 parts per million, what it is right now, it's like a leaky sponge. A lot of the heat that's being—you understand how carbon dioxide works. It creates an envelope around the Earth in the upper atmosphere.

It allows the shortwave radiation to come through that's coming from the sun, which is absorbed into the earth. And then it's that is re emitted as longwave radiation roughly in in the about what is 14 to 17 micron wavelength. OK, so it comes back from the earth. That's what's being captured by carbon dioxide. But most of that within that window is being captured by water vapors.

And there is only a limited ability of carbon dioxide to capture.

heat in that window, right? And imagine, Pat, that you've got a sponge sitting on the table and you start, I take this water and I start pouring into a dry sponge. Well, you're not going to see anything leaking out until the sponge gets saturated. Once it's saturated, I keep pouring and then what happens? It just keeps leaking out. Well, that's what's happening is that the heat is now leaking out from

Now, we saw a spike, you know, last summer when they were saying, oh, this is the hottest month and all that on record. Well, it depends, again, on how you look at the records. I think the records are being biased by the urban heat island because most of the

measuring stations are in airports, which were rural 50 years ago, 30 years ago, and now they're urban. So they're surrounded by asphalt and concrete and air conditioner, condensers and everything that's putting off heat. So

That's a whole other discussion we could have about the bias that I think has found its way into the data about climate change, about warming. But the other thing that happened was this big underwater volcano that went off that disgorged enormous volumes of water vapor. What's it called? Hunga-tunga? Hunga?

Rob will find it for us. Hunga, Hunga, Hunga. What an interesting name. Yeah, Hunga, Hunga, Hunga. I think it's what it was, Hunga. Oh, there it is. I found it, Rob. Yeah, there it is. Underwater volcano, yeah, erupted. There it is, January 15th. The largest underwater explosion ever recorded by modern instruments and had a number of effects. One of those effects is that it increased the density of the water vapor canopy, which captured heat.

And I think that that's what really made that summer exceptionally warm of 2023. In fact, that water vapor is still clearing out. So there's a lot of those things that people just don't know.

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Well, let me put it to you this way. The climate change establishment is trying to downplay the effects of it. But there is independent research that

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I think it's about ultimately using climate change towards social control. By the way, Rob, do you remember this at all? I don't. I mean, we cover a lot of different issues. I don't ever remember this being a mainstream, like a big story. That's what happened. That's a pretty big deal for something like that to take place. Absolutely. And I think it was deliberately downplayed. I think it was deliberately ignored.

Because, again, I think the strategy now is to focus exclusively on anthropogenic driven climate change. OK, so so fear is got a is got a big influence over what does that say is a volcanic island located about 30 kilometers southeast of a found new island in Tonga. Click on it. Is it trying to show us something?

Let's just see what happens with the sun. Well, it's near that island. I think that should be right on there on that. The volcano itself is a submarine volcano that breached sea level in 2009 due to a volcanic eruption. That's the Hunga Tonga Island right there to the top right. Yep. It lies underwater between two islands, Hunga Tonga and Hunga Apai. Who comes up with these names? The ongoing eruption is about seven times more powerful than a volcano's last outburst.

Huh. Interesting. Okay. So this event here, just two months ago, a meteor, what was it? 400 to 800 feet. Yeah. The size of Eiffel Tower, I believe, that was in between Earth and Moon. And the Moon. And no one really, that was also a non-story, right? I knew about it. Okay, tell us about it. I even heard of it. Well-

It was slightly different trajectory. It impacted the Earth. It would have detonated with an explosive force of about 600 megatons. Now, what's 600 megatons? Well, the biggest hydrogen bomb tested in the U.S. arsenal, I believe it was Mike and Robert looked this up for us, maybe 1951, largest U.S. hydrogen bomb test ever.

And it was about 15 megatons. And that's about a thousand times greater than the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. And in fact, I think I included a slide, a couple of slides. You said a thousand times more? Yes. Than what was dropped on Hiroshima? Yes. And that's what this meteor just two months ago was capable of doing? No, much bigger than that. I said that, okay, good. That's in my slideshow right there. Okay, so...

Okay, look at the bottom, 15 kilotons, that's Hiroshima. Okay. 15,000 kilotons, that's 15 million megatons of TNT. That's the size of the largest hydrogen bomb tested by the United States. 15,000 kilotons, that's the largest hydrogen bomb tested by the U.S. Yep. Now...

The Soviet Union in 1961, I believe it was, tested these Tsar Bomba, which was 50 megatons. So it was what, you know, three and a third times bigger than this. Okay, so...

The impact of that object, that asteroid that passed between Earth and moon, would have been about 600 megatons. Now, the average size of the bombs during the peak of the Cold War on the U.S. arsenal was less than a megaton. So if you could imagine 600 megatons, that's 600 hydrogen bombs going off.

if that thing had hit the earth. What would have been the consequences if it would have hit the earth? Well, you would have had a fireball about three miles wide going up. You'd had about a 6.7 to 7.0 earthquake. You would have had winds near the fireball of up to 8,000 miles per hour moving outward. You would have had a shockwave that would have blown your eardrums out 20, 30 miles away.

Probably if it was a populated center like East Coast or West Coast, you'd had a million people vaporized and you'd probably had another two or three million die from secondary effects. It would have been hell and it would have had global consequences. It would have affected global climate probably to the point where it could have disrupted agriculture for three to five years.

until all the dust and soot from the fires, the secondary fires, because that impact is going to blow stuff up in the air, right? And that debris is going to fall back to earth and it's going to create a whole bunch of secondary fires. So why did the media not really cover it much? And it's just kind of like, yeah, it happened and there wasn't too much of a worry and concern about it.

Again, I think it's because it doesn't fit the contrived narrative. Why doesn't, though? Why wouldn't it fit the narrative? To me, it would. And to me, it should deserve a much, much higher priority. I collect this stuff since the late 80s. I've been collecting information on near misses. Ah, there we go. NASA plans for a doomsday scenario of asteroid with 72% chance of hitting Earth in 14 years. And by the way, that's four days before the asteroid hit.

Right? June 29th is when they, if I'm not mistaken, Rob, June 29th, 2024, they're

They discovered it 13 days before, not sooner. They only discovered it 13 days before. Yes. Named 2024, MK passed within 180,000 miles of Earth's surface, 75% of the distance between Earth and the moon, size of Eiffel Tower, came between Earth and the moon. So 180,000 miles, just for context, is that a big deal? Or is that not like it was almost a missed? That is, in astronomical sense, that's like a whisker. And see, here's the thing.

If it comes that close, see that? You got a picture. These things are out there orbiting the sun, right? A lot of them are, think of it like a cosmic ping pong game. And a lot of these things like comets and asteroids that are circling in an orbit that takes them out to Jupiter and back to the sun again. Well, do you remember 1994, summer of 1994, July, when 21 objects of a fragmented comet plunged into Jupiter? Mm-mm.

Rob, Shoemaker-Levy 9. Shoemaker-Levy 9. And pull up some images. There we go. Okay, so this happened. Yes. This was an incredible... This was at the time the most watched astronomical event in history. If you go down there to the lower right, you're going to see... Okay, click on that, open it, and you'll see that that is what is called the Chain of Pearls. Now, here's what happened. This thing is out there. Picture.

It's circling, going into the sun, going back out, going behind Jupiter and coming back in. It's a big elliptical orbit. Each time it's going out there to Jupiter, it's being, Jupiter's gravity is puddling it in closer and closer. Okay, the last time before it was discovered, it had just passed within Jupiter's gravity field. Jupiter's gravity field is so powerful that it literally ripped a single comet nucleus into 21 pieces. Wow.

And that's what you're seeing here, the so-called string of pearls. Now, astronomers can predict orbits if they know basically what are called the orbital elements.

And so it took three months of observations, and you've got enough of the ellipse, the orbital ellipse, to reconstruct the whole ellipse. You've also got data on the velocity. So when you put that together into your models with the other orbital elements, you can now make predictions. And so after they discovered this thing, just after it's coming around behind Jupiter and in the early stages of breaking apart,

So as it moved around the sun, all of this stuff gets strung out, like they called it the string of pearls in space, comes back around. And after three months of observations, they projected it forward to where it was going to cross Jupiter's orbit again, and then realized that where it was going to cross Jupiter's orbit, Jupiter was going to be right in that spot. And so they were able to predict that in the second week of July, 1994, these 21 pieces were going to fall into Jupiter. Now,

One of the things, and I think I probably put some of this in my slideshow, is that we're discovering that... Yes, okay, Rob, go back up. Go back to the diagram there of the comet. Come down, come down. Right stop. Go up to where you've got the drawings. Right there. Go to that one. No, now you're going to... He's going to play... There we go, there we go. Okay, so...

This is now the model of a comet nucleus. And it's basically an icy matrix. And within that icy matrix, you've got all of these chunks and pieces. When that matrix fragments, you now get all kinds of sub-nuclei or subatoms.

Yeah, so you got a Halley-type comet nucleus. So what happened? You had a single object like this that got ripped into 21 pieces. Now, if it hadn't plunged into Jupiter, each one of those 21 pieces could have spawned a whole other generation of cometary debris. Now...

Do you know, are you familiar with the explosion in Siberia of 1908? Yes. Okay. Yes, it's called the Tunguska event. Tunguska event, yes. The Tunguska event of 1908 was probably a piece of a comet. It was about 150 feet in diameter. And it...

What's interesting about that is the explosion, the energy of explosion of that Tunguska event was about 15 megatons. That's the estimate. So conveniently, we've got a natural event that was about 15 megatons, but we know the destructive potential of a 15 megaton explosion because we tested bombs with that level of energy released. So I

I don't know the area here, but if you look at Atlanta, do you know 285 that goes around Atlanta? Okay. If you look at the area inside of Atlanta, inside of 285, the urban area, it's about 800 square miles. That is about the same area that you see in that picture right there of total devastation. So in other words, a Tunguska explosion, 150 foot wide meteor or piece of comet that

Coming in now, important distinction here. Tunguska was an atmospheric explosion rather than a direct impact. What does that mean? Well, it means it had never reached the surface of the earth. It didn't hit the earth and explode a big hole in the ground. It exploded in the atmosphere. Got it. It was going some 40,000 kilometers an hour. You know, I have some of the details that I wrote down here. Asteroid the size of a White House.

It destroyed 2,000 square kilometers. Yep, about 800 miles. And then they said this happens every 500 years. By the time it hit our atmosphere, it was going 40,000 kilometers per hour, exploded like a hydrogen bomb. Yeah, like a 15 megaton hydrogen bomb. And had that exploded, like if you had, and first of all, the number 500, I could show if we, maybe I'll come back at some point. We can dive into some of these questions deeper.

I think that that's wrong. I think that we have to look at once or twice a century. I think that's the, I don't know. You think it's once or twice a century? At least. Okay. At least. Yes. And Rob, there's a clip because, and this hit Russia, right? And there's a- Siberia. Yeah, Siberia. And there's an opening, trying to see which clip to show that shows what it looks like now. There's an image, if you can pull up,

i wish i could find it to show it to you rob yeah there's a video that actually shows what it would look like if it were to hit i don't know if you have it or not

Let me see if I got this here. So for you, you're saying it's not 500 years. You're saying it's more likely to happen more often. Now, let me ask you this. When you're talking about Jupiter, right? And you say the gravity field. Yes. Is there... That's the one right there, Rob. That's the one right there. That look right there. So that's called the Great Swamp. Like that's right under the epicenter. And...

The area of devastation where the trees were blown down is way bigger than what we're seeing right there. But the forest is growing back very quickly. You know, I mean, it's well over a century now and the forest is regrowing. Yeah. A great swamp. Is Earth, does the gravity field, Randall, of Earth set up in a way that

Because if there's so many meteors that go going by, how come we don't get hit by it more often? Why? Why don't we have more that are hitting us? Is it is it built in a way to protect it from happening? If you know, I'm asking an innocent question, but I'm not in the world. That's why I'm wondering what the answer. Well, first of all, I think that the evidence that I've been looking at for years would suggest to me that.

that the impact rate is not uniform through time. But there are periods where it's more concentrated, if you want to say more bunched. And then you'll have a period where it's relatively calm, and then you'll have another period where there will be an influx, an increase in meteorite or cometary impacts. Now, there's so much, I mean, we're kind of like in this

like in a new frontier here of understanding the cosmos of which we're a part. You know, the first asteroid wasn't even discovered until January 1st, 1801. That was Ceres. And then it was a very slow discovery. And then in the last 20 or 30 years, it has really accelerated. I believe at the end of my slideshow, Rob, I think I have a video that was put out by NASA. Let's see here. If you can pull over and you can enlarge the thumbnails over here,

There we go. This is a video released by Russia, declassified. Go down. We're not going to get any volume. Go down and hit play. Back out of there. Unselect and go back to the same slide. We'll get Rob here trained well for the next. Okay, so now go down to the lower right toolbar. Same one you press, Rob. All the way at the bottom. All the way at the bottom. All the way at the bottom, Rob, right there. Right next, right there. And turn the volume up.

And now, yeah, there we go. Now, there we go. This is 50 megaton explosion. Russia put this together. Yeah.

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And that's 50 million megatons of TNT, the largest hydrogen bomb ever tested by the human race is what that video was. 10 to 12 times more powerful than that would have been that object from June 29th. So, OK, so you've spoken about, you know, the level of curiosity of previous scientists.

civilizations that we've had, ancient civilizations that we've had, you know, some even, you know, humans were around far longer than scientists say 300,000 years ago, the, what do you call it? The Jebel Irhoud, Morocco. I don't know if you've read into that or you, you've read that or not. There's a lot of weird stories that people claim, right? Yeah. But for me, the, the, the possibilities of an extinction event, okay, that can happen. What are some different forms of,

events that can happen for, you know, for us to be extinct. Well, okay, the event that happened 12 to 13,000 years ago called the Younger Dryas is the most recent extinction level event in Earth history. Younger Dryas was sort of what bookended the Great Ice Age. And the ice had started warming and melting around 15,000 years ago.

And then at 14,600, there was a gigantic meltwater pulse. It's called Meltwater Pulse 1A. And then at 12,000, just a little less than 12,900 years ago, was what's called the Lower Younger Dryest Boundary. Okay, there's Meltwater Pulse 1A. There it is right there. If you go down, Meltwater Pulse 1A is also known as a Catastrophic Rise Event.

The rates of sea level rise associated with meltwater pulse 1A are the highest known rates of post-glacial eustatic sea level rise. Meltwater pulse 1A is also the most widely recognized and least disputed of the named post-glacial meltwater pulses. Now, since this was written, I think a lot of the evidence of the last couple of years confirms that the...

that the rise of sea level because of the melting of the glaciers was pulsed. It wasn't a smooth uniform curve. And I think that there was a meltwater pulse at 14.6, and I think that's what that's showing right there. There was another meltwater pulse at the lower Younger Dryas boundary, about 12,900. And then the third one was at 11,600.

And those are all related to very rapid acceleration of ice sheet melting. Because the term eustatic that you just saw there is a type of sea level rise or fall, a change in the vertical elevation of sea level correlated or corresponding directly to the amount of ice on the land surface. So the greater the amount of ice...

the lower the sea level. And as the ice melts, then sea level rises. If we were to go into another ice age, then sea level would fall again until the planet... There we go. Yeah, when the amount of water stored in ice caps changes, it can cause sea levels to change. This is called glacial eustachy. For example, after the last ice age, global sea levels were about 130 meters lower.

which is actually more than 400 feet. But the glaciated regions were depressed by at least that much. Yeah. And it gets into some complicated stuff. Isostasy is the vertical movement of the Earth's crust. They don't use that term there, but there was a very, very significant change in the vertical elevation of the Earth's crust because of the deglaciation that occurred. Rob, look up this term, isostasy, I-S-O-S-T-A-C-Y.

There we go. Or S-T-S-Y. The equilibrium that exists between parts of the earth's crust, which behaves as if it consists of blocks floating on the underlying mantle. Rising of material, such as an ice cap is removed and sinking if material is deposited.

So you've got these two connected processes, isostasy and eustasy. Isostasy is the vertical movement of the Earth's crust. Eustasy is the vertical movement of the ocean levels. And they're correlated because when you're building that— One goes down, one goes up. Yeah. When glaciers grow, sea level drops. When glaciers shrink, sea level rises. That's it. And when that huge mass—you've got to figure now, a lot of Canada was buried under a mile and a half of ice, right?

So what that does is it depresses the crust, just like the analogy I use if you're, like when I was on Rogan explaining this to Rogan, I said, right now you're sitting on a comfortable chair with a cushion, aren't you? And he said, yeah. I said, okay, well, right now the cushion you're sitting on is isostatically depressed. It's, you know, and if you were to get up, then the cushion comes back. So I said, Joe, right now you didn't realize this, but your ass is isostatically depressing. Yeah.

And I think he got it. Makes sense. Yeah. So it makes sense on, I totally get that part. But going back to this. So, okay. Extinction event. Good, good. Yeah. Okay. So we had an extinct. Now, it's not considered one of the great five in Earth history. Now, the great five, you know, you're talking about three quarters to 95% of all species, marine and terrestrial species.

being annihilated. Now, the two primary candidates, I think, are one would be impacts, two would be gigantic volcanic eruptions, and three that now needs to be considered, I think, is solar outburst activity. I don't want to talk too much about that because I'm in the early stages of really kind of understand trying to

understand the physics of the variable Sun. But there does certainly appear to be times when solar outbursts have been... Yeah, there they are. And Ordovician, Late Devonian, and Permian was the biggest one at 250. Now, MYA is million years. Think of it million years ago, but the A actually means annum, Latin for year, right? So 250 million years annum means 250 million years ago.

So you've got, those are the big five, Endortivician, Late Devonian, Endpermian, Endtriassic, Endcretaceous. Endcretaceous is the most famous one because that's the, like it says, the event that killed off the dinosaurs. Now, Endcretaceous, I think it was about, the estimates are 75% of all species on Earth went extinct. Now, the terminal Pleistocene extinction primarily focused on,

the top of the food chain, the large mammals. And we talked, I think I talked some with Tony about this. You know, when I met with Tony and Rob the other day, we think we got into that a little bit. And there was this incredible megaphone in North America. I mean, it was Serengeti plain plus. I mean, you had three species of proboscideans, which are basically elephants living in unglaciated North America. You had giant camels. You had geckos.

Ground sloths, the size of elephants today. You had beavers the size of bears. Yeah, look at, that's probably Jeffersonii. Let's see what, that's not the biggest one. Let's see what that would be. Well, that's one of the ground sloths. But there were multiple species. What's that there? That's the... Just click it, Rob, so it can show the eight. Go ahead, yeah.

He had a giant, short face bear. Now that guy, you would not want to encounter that guy. He looks friendly. You figure that that guy, when he stood up on his hind legs, a full-grown one, was 12 feet tall. Damn.

Now, see, the megafauna at the end of the Ice Age was just, yeah, the saber-toothed cat or the scimitar cat. Again, they were here in North America very abundantly. What else we got there, Rob? The dire wolf. Now, these guys, they hunted in packs. Their jaws were like twice the mass of a modern timber wolf.

So, I mean, you know, when you think about it, like when we get up in the morning, yeah, mammoths and mastodons. Mammoths were grazers. They liked open areas. Mastodons were browsers. So they were in forested areas. Giant ground sloths. What is that? Giant beavers? Yeah, castoroides with giant beaver camelops. Yeah. So all of these guys are gone. What happened to them?

Well, they all disappeared within a very short window of time. And the peak of the extinction, actually, if you go back to about my slide number five or six, I have what's called a mortality graph. This goes back 50,000 years. And each of those squares, black and white, represents the finding of a fossil of an extinct mammal, mega-mammal.

And what you see there is that right when you get to around 14,000 years ago, it starts trending upwards. When you get to the Younger Dryas, it peaks. And then it tapers off. So what that means is that the number of fossils found in the record of these extinct mammals peaked right around this time when you had these tremendous changes that were going on, temperature changes and so on. So...

The loss of species is going to be directly a function of habitat destruction because that's the main thing that causes species to go extinct. Now, one may say of these five events that you talked about, the most recent one was 65 million years ago. Yes. Right? So, you know, the average person right now, or even, you know, say, you know, you get a call and you're working for the leader of the free world, okay, and they have a division that their job is to...

Be prepared for a possibility of extinction events. I don't even know if we have it right now in our government. I don't know if somebody's job is to do that or not. I don't know whose job that is. Well, it was actually going to probably during the Trump years, there was talk. You know, I knew I know Matt Lohmeyer pretty good. Lieutenant Colonel Matt Lohmeyer. And he was high ranking in the Space Force.

Matt Lohmeyer just texted me. Did he really? Literally two hours before you and I talked. Literally two hours before we talked, he texted me. He's going to watch. He's going to be like, oh, shit. It's so funny you're talking about him. I just got a text from him at 2.13 today. I had Matt on before. Yeah, good man. Was this part of his job? He is. Was it part of his job to find out?

find ways to protect against extinction events? Well, if you consider that the primary instigator of extinction level events is impacts, which I believe is the case, then yeah, it certainly could fall to space force because in, in Matt was very much apprised of that idea. And before he got canned for being politically incorrect, uh, which pisses me off, um,

We were going to do, I was going to do a presentation to Space Force talking about planetary defense. But then that didn't happen. So you were supposed to be involved in this? I was going to be involved. Okay, so perfect. So now that you know that you were one of the candidates possibly involved. Okay, so one sits there and is like, you're talking to the president. All right, Randall, so let me ask you this. One of my guys, research guy, tells me the asteroid that came in June 29, 2024, just a couple months ago,

if it would have hit us, it would have been pretty bad situation. Then you got the Tunguska event, 1908 Russia, when that hit, you know, and then you have the volcanic explosion, April 5th of 1815, which is the largest volcano explosion in human history. We're talking about Mount Tambora, right? Located in Indonesia. Explosion was felt

thousands of miles away, volcanic winter, sunlight was blocked, causing temperatures to drop globally. Ash reaches as far as a year without summer, 1816. You've seen that before. You know about that. So we have the Yellowstone Volcano Caldera. Okay, all of these things, we put it on the wall in a, let's just say, decision-making room, whatever you want to call that room.

All right. So how do you prevent from a meteor hitting us? How do you prevent from these volcanoes erupting? How do we, or is it just, guys, if it happens, you're screwed. There's nothing you can do about it. Right now, yes. If it happens, we're screwed. Okay. We're screwed right now. But my interpretation of this is right now we're vulnerable, but if we get our act together, we don't have to, we can reduce our vulnerability enormously. Now,

you know, and, and what are the potential, you just named several impacts, volcanoes. I think the sun needs to be included. Um, the Carrington event of, uh, 1857, Rob's going to look that up for us. Um,

But we now know that there have been events. Carrington event, you said? Starting with a K. There it is right there. Was the most intense geomagnetic storm in recorded history, peaking on the 1st and 2nd of September 1859 during solar cycle 10. It created strong auroral displays. Now, if that would happen now...

I mean, it could really put down the electric grid that would take a year or a couple of years perhaps even to restore. Again, what was this? This was a geomagnetic storm. Yep.

recorded in history, peaking on 1st of 1859, solar cycle 10, it created an auroral display that were reported globally and caused sparking and even fires in telegraph stations. The geomagnetic storm was most likely the result of a coronal mass ejection from the sun

are colliding with Earth's magnetosphere. Magnetosphere, yes. Okay, to the average person, what the hell does that mean? Well, it means that every once in a while, the sun throws off these gigantic blobs of plasma into space. It does it frequently, but typically those blobs are just flying out into space. But once in a while, one of those blobs...

will pass the Earth. And when it does, it can have consequences. And one of the things that it does is it can destroy ozone. It can allow galactic cosmic ray bombardment of the Earth because normally the ozone acts as a filtering blanket that protects the Earth from cosmic ray bombardment. If the solar storm is intense enough, its own self can cause spallation of neutrons, and that creates...

beryllium-10 and carbon-14. Beryllium-10 gets preserved in ice cores, carbon-14 gets preserved in plant matter, primarily tree rings, and we can then measure the amount of isotopes, beryllium-10, carbon-14, and determine the intensity of the coronal mass ejection.

What we've found is that there is evidence of events minimum of 10 to 20 times more powerful than the Carrington event within the last 2000 years. Now, obviously we didn't have an electronic grid encircling the earth upon which all of society was dependent back in the seven hundreds or the nine hundreds. But now we do an event 10 times or 20 times greater than the Carrington event and

that would cause havoc that could take a decade to straighten out. I mean, it would really, it would take down pretty much the electronic grid of the planet. There'd be no more computers. You'd have no more power coming out of the, I mean, it would be,

Okay. So what do we do about that? Well, there are ideas in place, but by people who've studied that dimension of catastrophe more than I have of, of hardening the grid and it would be expensive, but it would be minuscule compared to say, for example, the money we've dumped into Ukraine, it would be, you know, we could harden our electromagnetic, our electronic systems to, to withstand a Carrington level event or even more powerful. Now volcanoes,

There, the problem is, is you got ejection of sulfur dioxide and all these particulates into the atmosphere, which like you just brought up, the year without a summer. Well, we could perhaps survive a year without a summer. We could. It all depends on how much...

This is where preparation comes in. But something, say, even bigger than Tambora, which we know from Earth history has happened repeatedly, that's just in recent Earth history, since we've been keeping records. If we look at Toba, for example, it was many times larger than Tambora. But

The point is, are we prepared? Well, what we would need, again, is lots of it. We would need a national stockpile of food. We would need backup generators because we could literally maybe go a couple of years with drastically reduced agricultural output. We'd get through it because the atmosphere would clear out. Now, an impact event, like if we took the June 29th episode,

That would have consequences that would take at least five to 10 years, probably for everything to recover in the aftermath. But in that recovery time, you're going to have, see, the problem is you've got the first impetus, which is the, like the impact itself or the volcanic eruption itself. Then you've got all the secondary consequences and the feedbacks and things. Yeah.

Which would, so initially, like I said, with the impact of a 600 or 800 foot wide asteroid, it would instantly kill a few million people, depending on where it fell. If it fell in the ocean, now you're going to have tsunamis that make landfall that could be 200 feet high or more when they make landfall. So, I mean, you could have a tsunami that could literally wash over the entire peninsula of Florida.

So you can see there, like if it fell in the ocean, it could probably kill more people than if it hit land.

But if it hit land, now you've got all the debris that goes up and as it falls. Very interesting. I got what you're saying. Yeah. So it's better it hit land and it hit water. Yeah, probably so. Okay. Depending on where you hit, you know, what. Yes. And the other consequence of hitting water, of course, it's going to be like hunga, tonga, hunga. It's going to throw all of this water vapor. We can't have that. That's a real situation. Now, see. Yeah.

The thing is, the thing is, there are studies now showing that impacts can induce accelerated and concentrated volcanic response in the Earth's crust.

Which makes sense. You know, if you think you've got a major impact, it hits the earth. And then look at the work of Michael Rampino. He's done some great stuff on this going back to the 70s, showing the correlation between impacts and volcanism. He's not the only one. There have been many others. Yeah, there he is. Yeah. I've been following this guy's work for years since he was a young fella. And I was a young fella then, too.

But yeah, he's done a lot of work on the... Let me be a skeptic here. Please do. Just push back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for me, okay, you're telling me you're going to be able to control a meteor from hitting us and destroying civilization. That's what you think you can do. Okay. I know we can do it. Okay. So number two...

You got the volcano, which is, forget about the 1815 one, which is the Tambora. Yeah. The caldera, right? You've seen what happens if the caldera Yellowstone goes off. That's pretty crazy as well. If that takes off, you think you can prevent that from happening? No. Okay. So that one you can't prevent from. So there are certain things that we have.

Right. That whether we like it or not, there is nothing. If it happens, guess what? Make sure you get on your knees and drop your last prayer if you got time. And hopefully you chose the right God and we'll see what happens afterlife. And if you don't, that's the risk you're taking. Right. We'll see what happened. Well, my take is that it's you can't prevent those things from happening, but you can prepare and you can buffer the impacts of them.

That's the thing. If you factor that into your thinking, your long-term strategic planning, yes, you can mitigate the effects. You can't prevent it. Now, as far as preventing an asteroid, I mean, if you're talking about a mile-wide asteroid, there's nothing we could do about that now. But the DART mission, we just were able to rendezvous and show that we could actually rendezvous with an asteroid and we could actually move it in space. So the key there is having enough lead time.

because these things that have Earth's number on them, and there have been thousands of impacts, and there will undoubtedly throughout the next million or few million years, another thousand impacts. What are we looking at? There's DART, Double Asteroid Redirection Test. And it showed that we can do it. Now,

Are we capable of diverting an asteroid that's on a direct Earth impacting trajectory right now? Probably not. Could we be within five to 10 years? Well, yeah, if there was the national will and vision and motivation to do it.

And probably, Pat, what it's going to take is another Tunguska event to get shock people into realizing that whether we like it or not, we live on a planet that's part of a larger cosmic ecosystem. And we need to adapt to that. And the most devastating catastrophes in Earth history, I believe, and there's quite a bit of abundance that would support this conclusion, is that

The one that kind of encompasses everything else is cosmic impacts. And if you saw the number of close encounters over the last 20 years, it's kind of mind-boggling. It is. I mean, two or three times a year, we're having close encounters. And, you know, Tunguska, okay, that was a small—I mean, that's a speck in cosmic terms. Now, could we do something about—the problem with Tunguska was—

it came from the direction of the sun. It came, it encountered the earth right after its perihelion passage, meaning it had just passed the sun. And so when the eyewitnesses saw it, it first saw it, it looked like it's coming directly out of the sun. People said it was born out of the sun. Some of the Tungusi tribes people that witnessed this said it looked like it was disgorged from the sun, that it was born out of the sun. Now,

It was likely, in my opinion, part of the torrid meteor shower. And the reason is the torrid meteor shower peaks at the end of June and early July. And the summertime torrids at that period, there we go. Okay, they're coming from the direction of the sun at that time of year. So its position in space and its time in the year were both suitable for it being a member of the torrid meteor stream.

And the Tard meteor stream is an old meteor stream that probably resulted from a really big comet that was captured into the inner solar system between 25,000 and 30,000 years ago. There we go. An annual meteor shower associated with the comet Enki. But Enki would not have been the original comet. Enki was simply a fragment of the original comet.

The original comet probably did what Shoemaker-Levy 9 did. It came in and broke up into multiple pieces. And then those broke up into multiple pieces. And it's been going through this hierarchy of disintegration ever since. It is the most likely candidate for the source of the impacts on Earth at the end of the last ice age, the so-called Younger Dryas Impacts.

Which, very controversial theory, but I think the evidence now is pretty much overwhelmingly supportive of the fact that, yes, Earth got bombarded around 13,000 years ago. Is there anywhere that meteor has never hit Earth? And let me explain what I mean by this. Here's what I mean by this. Is there like a...

You know, like in U.S., if you were to pull up numbers and you say, last year we had this many murders, OK, homicides. And I can say, can you give me the top three cities in America for homicides? OK. OK. Number one, let's just say Chicago. Number two, D.C., Baltimore. I don't know. I'm just you know, those are some of the numbers that you typically hear.

Rob, if you can just type in top three cities in America in homicide. Okay. So then I'll say, okay, so where does it not get it? Boise, Idaho. Why not Boise, Idaho? Well, because Boise, Idaho has the most people that are licensed to carry. Boise, Idaho is the worst place for you to want to commit crime because it's open carry state. So, oh, no shit. I didn't know that. Okay. So then it's kind of telling me stuff. So is...

Is there like a meteor will never hit Antarctica. Here's why. A meteor will never hit it. Do we know stuff like that or not necessarily? Not necessarily because we know now that there are a couple of large craters under the ice sheet of Antarctica. So the South Pole has been hit probably before the ice cap was there. The South Pole's been hit before? Yes. Okay.

Yes. Interesting. Uh-huh. And I don't know the age of those craters, but there's a couple of craters, I think, now that have been discovered under the Antarctic ice sheet. I think Rob, okay, 2.5 million years ago may have exploded over Antarctica. Okay. The evidence comes from a chemical analysis. By the way, at this point...

Randall, very serious request to you. If you have what you were smoking 50 years ago, Rob may want some of it, if you do have any of it. The evidence comes from a chemical analysis of more than 100 tiny pieces of rock entertained within the White Continents Ice. Researchers report in the February 1st Earth and Planetary Science Letters. Yeah, I actually have read that paper that was published in the Earth and Planetary Science Letters. And this is not what I was talking about.

Another one says 250 million years ago. That's the bottom one that says 250 million. Yeah, that's probably the one I was referring to. Why are so many people, why was Hitler fascinated with Antarctica? Why were so many people, you know, he moved 4,000 people to work over there and the U.S. started panicking, saying, wait a minute, we got to go there and then we all negotiated together to make sure everybody had some kind of influence. Did they learn something that they didn't want to tell the rest of us? Do you know anything about that? I don't know anything about that. I'm going to have to

Send a secret expedition to Antarctica and hunt. Okay. Marjoring fat. Yeah. There was a big fascination with what was...

What was there? So let's talk about another thing. So, you know, Atlantis, you know, when you say Atlantis to the average person, they'll say beautiful resort, you know, in Bahamas or Dubai. But when you say Atlantis to someone like you, you think a complete different thing, right? You know, here's a couple images that you'll see and, you know, videos we'll see and what existed. So civilization with all these times, how many, based on what you know and what you've read,

Are you in the school of thought that, you know, we existed and a lot of the current technologies, maybe even more advanced we had before, and then we either destroyed ourselves or we had something that hit us and we have to restart again? Where are you at with that?

Well, I'm of the mind that we need to consider that as a realistic possibility because think about it. We come from basically feudalism, subsistence farming, hunter-gathering, all within the last 300 years to a millennium.

Look how fast we have progressed since the scientific enlightenment. You know, I make the point sometimes that when my grandparents were born in the 1890s, the primary mode of transportation around the planet was horseback, horse-covered wagons, mule foot. Now, we had trains. Yeah, we've had trains since actually around the time of the Civil War. But, you know, Civil War, what are we looking at? We're looking at less than two centuries ago. Now...

If you look at how far we've progressed in the last 300 years, you know, since the time of Newton and Galileo and Kepler and all of those guys, the founding of modern science. Now we consider I use the more conservative based on hard skeletal evidence of how long have modern humans been on the planet.

And basically, you know, I think what I'm seeing now is evidence, skeletal remains, hard evidence, 175 to 200,000 years old that appears to belong to, for all intents and purposes, modern humans, which would imply similar levels of intelligence. Now, I think if you work it out, the numbers on it, and I should have brought my calculator in, but if you work out 200,000 years, there we go.

Suggests modern humans were in Europe more than 200,000. Now, this is recent research, right? So 200,000 years, that works out to be about 7,000 generations, I think. Now, how easily could a millennia of human progress get lost in the noise of 200,000 years? Now,

One of the things that I came prepared to show you today that the legends of gigantic world-destroying floods are based on real events that we can now prove overwhelmingly, right? I'm about to lead an expedition, a tour in September to show people some of the landscapes that are created by what I would call biblical scale floods up in the Pacific Northwest.

You might want to think about coming on one of the future tours because it'll blow your mind when you spend a week out looking at these landscapes. And you'll come away just like that epiphany I had looking over the Minnesota River Valley. Except this now is like that times a thousand because I concentrate. We go to specific places within where these gigantic floods have sculpted the landscape. And I teach people how to decipher the landscape showing landscapes.

How these catastrophic... Cataclysmos, Greek term for world-destroying floods from which we get the world. Yeah, there we go. So...

If you look down there, the brown that forms the border between Oregon and Washington, we're going to be exploring in that area in there through the Cascade Mountain Range, because that brown that you see is the pathway of the melting floodwaters from the ice sheets out to the Pacific Ocean. And those flood discharges, peak discharges,

You're looking at somewhere between peak discharge is 700 million to a billion cubic feet per second. Now, how do you even picture something like that? Well, it's on such a scale, grand scale, that you can't really until you've spent a week. Now, what I do is I put together a program, and in my slides, I've got samples of what I show people prior to going out in the field. And I teach them about...

I call it the hidden cipher of the landscape because it's on such a huge scale that most people don't even know it's there. You know, and then what I do is I say it's like learning a new language, you know, and what I'm going to do is we're going to a foreign country where everything is in this language you don't understand. So I'm going to teach you the rudiments of that language and then we're going to go to that foreign country and you're going to be able to read only in this case, decipher the alphabet, right?

the story is engraved into the planetary surface. And it's been laying there for 10, 12, 14,000 years because nobody had the perspective to decipher it until now, basically. And then I say, that's a pretty grandiose statement to make. But if

Give me a week, two weeks, and I will instruct you in that language, and we will go into the field, and I will show you the after effects of biblical scale floods that have swept over the earth. Now, how do you explain that? Well, I believe that the evidence shows that the great ice sheets, that there was a multi-impact event at the end of the last ice age. That's what destroyed the ice sheet. It also probably plunged into the ocean.

plunging into the ocean is going to inject, just like Hunga-Tunga-Hunga, it's going to inject gigantic amounts, except way beyond Hunga-Tunga-Hunga, is going to inject that water vapor into the atmosphere, upper stratosphere. It's going to encircle the planet, and it's going to rain out with these hellacious rainfalls that could take weeks to rain out. And I can show you, if we want to go to the slides while we've got some time left...

Go right up to the beginning. Go to the top there, Rob. And, okay, there's one of my favorite quotes. Go to the title slide. Okay, go to play. Okay, I call this the big picture, understanding the true measure of global change. So let's just, we'll scan through a few things. Love this quote, historian Will Durant, one of the great historians of civilization says,

After writing 11 volumes, this was his conclusion: "Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice." That's the part. So to me, when we're talking extinction, the key words in that quote is what? "Without notice." Yeah, without notice. So you're talking about the flooding. Let me ask the question about Noah's Ark.

So a story comes out, Rob, if you can play that clip, the one article I send you that says archaeologists think they might have found the real Noah's Ark. Did you read this article? Have you looked into this or no? Probably. Where it says a mountain in Turkey shows evidence of human activity in the area around the biblical. Mount Ararat. It's said to be Mount Ararat, which that's the Armenian name, Armenian. Yeah.

Mount Ararat, Mount Noah's Ark. Soil samples from the top to highest peaks in Turkey reveal human activity and marine materials. Dating of the rock and soil from the location match with biblical timing of Noah's Ark. Researchers from a trio of universities of Turkey and United States have spent roughly a year analyzing the rock and soil in the famous Durupinar Formation on Mount Ararat, the highest mountain in Turkey. They believe that the boat-shaped site may hold the ruins of the legendary Noah's Ark.

The biblical account of Noah tells God instructed Noah to build a giant ark to spare his family and pair of animals from an impending flood meant to destroy the evil and wickedness running rampant on earth. Noah's ark is said to have come to rest on the mountains of Aradok following a 150-day flood about 5,000 years ago. Yeah, Deripanar. Right, there it is. Yeah, I mean, you know, the thing is, is when you look into the biblical Hebrew for the description of the ark, it's,

It's usually the ark is built of gopher wood, which in the Hebrew is gimelpeh resh, but it had an alternate meaning, gimelpeh resh. You can look that up. I've done quite a bit of research on that, and it actually originally meant papyrus reeds. And the earliest known shipbuilding technology, techniques were papyrus reeds. But it was furthered. They went, you know, the...

that was used on it, I think, was part of the whole system that they used. This would be a whole discussion in itself that would be very interesting to get into. Tell me about it. I want to know a little bit about it. I'm curious myself. I'm Armenian. I'm a Syrian. Yeah. So what are we looking at right there? Well, we're looking at, it sounds about 430 feet long, which is not the Hebrew cubit length,

modern Hebrew cubits, standing cubits up 18 inches, which is where we get to 300, you know, 300 cubits at 18 inches would be what, 450 feet. This thing is a little bit longer than that, which suggests it was not using the modern Hebrew cubit or that the Bible is not referring to the modern Hebrew cubit, but perhaps even the Egyptian cubit, which was longer. Egyptian cubit was, um,

Oh, about 21.6264. Look up royal cubit. I think it'd be about 20.62 inches in length, royal cubit. So this thing is 300 cubits long. Yeah, there's your common cubit, 18. Yeah, royal cubit, 20.64. So that thing that we were just looking at works out to be about 300 cubits if we're using the royal cubit rather than the modern Hebrew cubit.

which is a coincidence. Uh, you know, and the con the, the controversy over that thing for his, it's been around for years, 30 or 40 years ago, David Fassold wrote a really interesting book. I think came out in the seventies, early eighties, uh, on that site. And, uh,

you know, it was a lot of controversy whether it was natural or something not natural. And so I haven't kept up with the research, but this may be, yeah, there he is right there. Now that's, that's a drogue stone that he's standing next to. And you see a big stone like that. It's got that hole in it. So if you've gotten an anchor chain or a rope, uh,

It goes through that hole and you drag it behind the boat in order to keep the keel aligned parallel with the current. Because if the keel gets out of parallel with the current, then it's going to swamp.

I've done a lot of canoeing, and I knew when you're on a fast-moving river, you want to keep your keel aligned with the current because as soon as it turns transverse to the current, you're going to flip. So the drogstone is towed behind the ship.

And that keeps the keel aligned. So there are these really big grog stones that have been found. Now, what ships were they? I don't know. But I think David Fasshold was speculating that some of the big ones may have even been associated with ark-sized ships. And it's bizarre, but if you come over to North America and you look at legends of Native Americans, you

You know, there was giant floods and basically how they survived mostly was a couple of the primary ways they survived these giant floods that swept over the country and wiped out their ancestors was either a high mountain, which now would be a sacred mountain or a great canoe. They was.

translated as a great canoe. Now, that has been dismissed by historians and archaeologists saying that, well, they must have learned the story of Noah from missionaries, and then they grafted that onto their own religious traditions and so on. But that can be dispelled because we know that people like George Caitlin, who was the Indian artist who...

Oh, gosh, he spent decades and traveled and lived amongst dozens and dozens of Indian tribes. And he recorded all of their traditions and their beliefs. Rob, if you look up George Caitlin, C-A-I-T-L-A-N, I believe, Indian artist. He recorded their accounts. And I have a great quote from him at the end of his book called Last Rambles. And he

Basically, he's saying that he went to all of, yeah, there's some of his artwork, George Catlin, Catlin, not Caitlin. So at the end of his book, The Last Ramble, he's talking about the traditions of Native Americans.

And he says that there was such a diversity of language and symbolism and beliefs and all that, but they all had one thing in common. And that was their belief that there had been this great flood. Now, what I've done is I've shown, absolutely, we can prove that there were great floods, certainly in North America, but it's showing the evidence for these gigantic floods is showing up all over the planet.

And they're directly related to the Pleistocene extinction of the megaphone. Because when you have a big flood, one of the things it does is it rips up part of the earth in one place and then dumps it somewhere else. You have erosion and you have deposition. Well, if an animal is caught in a flood and they're not completely ending up getting disarticulated, their remains will then wash down and be found in the flood deposits.

Most of the remains, the fossilized remains of megafauna that we find are in mega flood deposits, in gravel pits, peat bogs, permafrost. So it looks to me like there was two factors. And if the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis is true, which is appearing to be more and more so the case, it means you had simultaneous huge fires followed by huge floods.

So what the fires didn't wipe out, the floods finished the job. There it is, the Younger Dryas. It was in a period in Earth's geological history that occurred circa 12,900 to 11,700 years before present.

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I think we talked about that earlier, right? Rob, they're younger, dry, which is, well, Randall, I need five hours with you. Okay. Okay. To go through everything with you. Because it's, I don't think two hours. When I'm doing a pod, Rob, in the future when we're doing a podcast with Randall,

Randall, let's set it up for three, four hours instead of two hours. And maybe we'll do a two hour break within. And then we'll do like a two hour bathroom break and go come back and do another one. Because there's so many things I want to talk to you about. But, you know, I'd love to get into the Atlantis thing with you. I'd love to get into it. Matter of fact, if you want to get into it for a few minutes, go for it. Well, we'll just say that I entered two terms, isostasy and eustasy. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, one of the things that we can see is that when all of the ice was removed from North America, you go up around Hudson Bay, where the ice was the thickest, it has rebounded well over 1,000 feet, maybe 1,500 feet. You can see shorelines elevated above modern sea level, right?

Hudson Bay, yeah, Hudson Bay was like the center of the ice sheet. Now, what happens, though, is now all of that weight is being transferred off the continent back in, and most of the ice melted, ended up going into the Atlantic Ocean. Okay.

There's a hinge point. I call it a hinge point. It's the mid-Atlantic ridge. And right where the Azores Plateau is, is what's called a triple plate junction. The African plate, the Eurasian plate, and the North American plate reach. They meet each other right there at that triple plate junction. Go up north, go north of the equator, Rob, and go over to, you know, where the Straits of Gibraltar is between Africa and Spain, right?

where the mouth of the Mediterranean is. We will, before we do, there we go. Now, if you go immediately west of there, out to the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, there is a sunken plateau there. And we know it's sunken. We could, ah, okay, good. There, okay. Now, go west, back out a little. Keep going, keep going. Let me see. Yeah, keep going. There it is, right there. You see up there, there's the plateau. It's about the size of Iceland.

It's now between a few hundred feet and a couple of thousand feet below the surface. In some places, it's a mile below the surface. And that used to be what before? Well, it's likely that during the Ice Age, it was above sea level. How much above sea level? Well, probably enough that you had an island right there that was about the size of Iceland. So...

Now, you can kind of make out there's a triple plate junction right there, which would be one of the most flexible parts of the whole Earth's continental land masses. Picture this. So when that water is being moved off of the continents back into the ocean basin, just the laws of physics require that the ocean bottoms subside.

And there's a lot of empirical data that suggests that large portions of the sunken Azores Plateau was above sea level right down until the end of the last ice age. And in fact, there's evidence that it sank associated with meltwater pulse 1B.

And we could get into that. I mean, I've got, I gave a two-part lecture on that and I didn't cover all of the evidence, but it was about nine hours of it. So why don't we do a follow-up part two to cover that? We could do all kinds of stuff because it's all, see, it's all integrated. And that's what I'm trying to do is pull these disparate pieces together and show, well,

We can explain Atlantis by isostasy. Look at Rob. Rob is not looking at a real estate website. He's looking at homes. Rob, just stay focused. This guy's now texting his wife, should we buy this house or not? Okay. Well, that I would say, now I'm not saying that was Atlantis, but I'm saying if you read Plato and his detailed accounts in Timaeus and Gertius, that is the most likely candidate for it right there.

And we could have a whole cool discussion about that. It's a trip. I look forward to that. And the Azores, the islands, now are literally the peaks of sunken mountains. So if you zoom in. Yeah, yeah. There you see. The Azores Islands are mountains. The base of those mountains is on the plateau that's a mile below sea level. Zoom in a little bit more, Rob. I'm planning to do an Azores trip sometime in 2025. Okay.

How do you-- where's the airport? I think it's probably-- might be at Tushara. There is several airports there. Is that a volcano, or what is that, Rob? That's probably a volcano. They're volcanic. Yeah, there it is. So you're planning on making a trip here? Yeah, sometime in 2025. And I've actually sent a couple of people out already to do recon. Really? Yeah, go out there and get to know

So I now have these connections with some archaeologists that actually, you know, native archaeologists that do believe that that was the source of the Atlantis story. Matthew Lohmeyer just texted me back from Space Force saying, I told him, I said, we're doing a podcast. Your name came up. He says, amazing. I love that man. Tell him hello. So he's giving you his best. Okay. I love that guy, too.

Yeah. Well, Randall, this has been fantastic. I can't wait till the next time. Where can people find you? If you want to drive people to a place, where would you want them to go to? Randall Carlson dot com. Randall Carlson dot com. Also, how to dot com. I'm partnering with them. They're you know, they're and I'm also going to be my new podcast is being hosted on Rumble. OK.

But I think all the links are there. My website is being upgraded and updated as we speak. But Randall Carlson dot com will give you get you to my stuff. Yeah.

What is it with this last name Carlson that are always talking interesting stuff? You know, there's this other guy named Tucker Carlson. There's another guy named Billy Carlson. Billy is Billy Carson or Carlson? He's Carson. He's Carson, right? No, with Tucker Carlson. He's missing an L. You're not related to Tucker at all. You guys are not. Well, when I interviewed with Tucker, and that was the first thing is, are we long lost cousins? You know, maybe.

I don't know. There's a lot of Carlson stuff. Ancestry. You got to do Ancestry. Yeah. Anyway, so we're going to put the link below there. Randall, truly appreciate you for coming out. Hey, I loved it. Cannot wait for the next one. We'll do it again. I look forward to it. Me too. Take care. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.

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