Episode 185: Sam Morril – Stand-Up Comedian, Actor, Writer, and Producer
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On today's episode of Habits and Hustle, I have one of my favorite comedians on the planet. His name is Sam Morrell, who I saw on David Letterman's special on Netflix recently. And I tracked him down on Instagram and practically begged him to be on the podcast. He is so funny. He is so witty. He is so quick. I am obsessed with his...

sense of humor. And you guys, he has a new Netflix special out too right now that's crushing it. He also released his own special on YouTube about a year and a half ago, and it already has over 11 million views. Everywhere I go, people are now saying his name to me, which is really funny. I feel like he's just like bursting now. And

By next year, everyone will know this guy's name. Please listen to this podcast. You guys are going to love it. Enjoy.

Today we have Sam Morrell on the podcast who was a amazing comic who I, you're amazing. Now I'm extra happy to be here. Yeah. Right. You got that. You got the basketball hoop outside. You got the pool. You got the, you have a treadmill in like every room of your apartment. I know it's like the, it's the decor. You exercise a lot. This is crazy. I do exercise a lot. That's kind of what my, that's my whole shtick. My background is exercise, but, um,

And it is like the decor. Some people collect jewelry. I just collect treadmills. That's kind of what I do. Yeah, it looks nice. It's a nice treadmill. Thank you. It's a woodway. They're all woodways, by the way, which are the best kind of treadmills. Do you work out at all? I mean, I do it for a different reason than you do it. Why do you do it? To sweat out, to mental health. Yeah, but just to not get gross.

like well why would you be gross unless you're just drinking all the time you mean mental mentally gross maintenance you know like and also i've like had injuries and stuff so you just try to like maintenance to make sure you don't get injured yeah i mean it's not like i'm working out these days to be uh to win any competitions i'm just doing it for my mental competitions no i never did competitions but i i it's really funny because i know you don't know anything about my background like that but um i wrote a bunch of books in the health and fitness space i would do like

I've been on a few different covers of different magazines in the fitness space stuff like that I was a trainer for a long time so that was like kind of my beginning a little bit and then so yeah so fitness is a major like foundation of mine so it's why but now I do it for more of my mental health and more just because I really just I'm the guy burping up gin on a Marriott treadmill

on the road that's my fitness well you're trying to flesh out the toxins of your body that's basically working out really is like that's like that best hangover cure other than like maybe an IV drip or something the IV drips don't always work number one but I don't I feel like you can pee out a lot of the vitamins and my friend who who I'm very close Dr. Abe he's gonna kill me because he's a very close friend of mine he he'll actually give you a drip if you want one really absolutely whenever you want

When do you want one? I'll, I'll arrange it for you. Like Dr. Abe, I'm going to call you right after this podcast. What? I'm going to abuse this. You should abuse it. You should. Give me Abe's info. I'm going to give it to you. We'll call him after the show. He'll be more than happy to go to your, your, he's a concierge doctor and he like takes care of everybody. I'm telling you all the big, all the big ones that you know, you name them. He's, that's probably his client. I'm,

Okay. So my point, what I was going to say is the fitness part is great because of the, you can sweat out all your, of course your toxins, whatever, but it's just great for your overall mental health and just to kind of keep you, you know, sharp and focused. I do feel like sometimes I go to the gym and I just say, I come up with material cause my, like my mind is awake again. So, you know, I,

Well, first of all, it's also the, it's a feeding ground for like great material, watching all those people doing all sorts of kooky things. And, you know, it's like a pickup truck. I mean,

not so much in the last couple of years with COVID, but like before now coming back, it's very much a great feeding, a breeding ground, I should say for that. Yeah, no, it's, it's, there's a gym in my, I'm like in an old person building and Upper West Side. And like, there's all these old people and I'm in the type of building where they're like, even pre COVID, they're like, you're not allowed to have a trainer. And I'm like, I'm not going to go if I don't have someone pushing me. Really? They won't let you, why? Some old school bullshit. I don't know. Then they were like, you can only, uh,

So the old people in there were like passive aggressively like, you know, there's a rule here. Like, I don't care, but like, you know, and then they're like, did you talk to the building? And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, of course. That's so strange. But then eventually I was like, I'll just talk to the building. The building's like, yeah, it's fine. Are you in a fancy like, like shishi building? Is that why? It's for like a gym doorman building. It's like as low end as you could get really. Really? Yeah. All right. Well, how big is your space at your apartment? Small. I'm going to move.

Well, they're like 300 square feet. It's like $10,000. No, it's not that small. Well, how big is it? 575. Okay. You're like, you're like, you're like scorning me for the 300 square feet. Meanwhile, 500 is not that much different. I'm sorry. Backyard pool, basketball hoop. This is typical for, well, no, it's not that typical. No, this is a nice place. I've seen LA places. This is solid. Thank you. No, I'm going to move soon. I'm looking at places. It's, it's a process, but.

Have you always, like you're, so let me just say this because I just kind of jumped right in. Sure. But like, so Sam, I saw him on, I saw him on this special with David Letterman. I knew within 10 seconds that you are like, you're just hilarious, but you're going to be, he's very much like, as we speak, he's like really gaining momentum and you're going to be massive. I feel you're going to be the next like Sebastian. Oh, we're so different. I mean, yeah, he's really funny. Doesn't matter.

You're great. Thank you. Yeah, he's a...

Yeah, I got to get in like the next Scorsese movie. That's the plan. Well, try. I mean, I think it's... You're in the Joker movie. For like a sec. I'm very briefly in it. Yeah. Okay, but you still were. How did you get into that movie? Todd Phillips called me, the director. He's a really cool guy. And Todd's background is in comedy, so he really likes comedians. I mean, Todd was discovered by Ivan Reitman, who just passed away. He was? Yeah, Ivan Reitman discovered him and then I think helped him with his first movie. And I believe...

helped produce road trip which was his first big comedy oh and then you know todd made like old school the hangover he made huge comedies amazing mainstream comedies and uh

yeah and he just like called me and was like i thought you know when someone like that calls you like all right dude i'm sure it's todd phillips my age is like no it's really him i was like oh shit uh all right and then uh yeah he was just like i really like your comedy and i i love for you to be in this and i was like and then i see the role and it's like open mic or comedian i'm like god damn it i'm an open mic yeah yeah yeah so i i had to ask him like hey do you want me to like suck because i'm playing an open marker and he goes

well, you're going to be Sam. So do whatever you want. Like, well, I'm not going to suck with my material. I'm going on with like good jokes. So I'll be the funny guy at the open mic. And he was like, that's fine. And I was like, all right. So I was just did like 15 different takes and maybe more. And it was like, I was like, I'm going to do it.

an audience. I'm doing a different joke every take. I don't want to repeat material. So he's like, just make sure it would work in the eighties. Cause the movie's in the eighties. So he's like no cell phone jokes or anything. And, uh, only one joke was he like, don't do that again. What joke was it? I liked the joke. The joke is like, uh,

It's a weird one to tell here because it's one of my few jokes where I have an act out, but I say, you know, my ex would always say, like, you made me cum. Like, she'd give me credit for the orgasm. So she'd be like, I'm about to cum. And I'd be like, cool. And then she'd be like, stay completely still. And I'd be like, all right. And then she'd be like, you just made me cum. And I'd be like, are you sure? Because it feels like I played dead with an erection. You know, like made you. And so the joke would be like, that's like if you went to the barber shop and I'm like, can you hold the buzzer like right here? And then you just like move your head around. Yeah.

And I'm like, you're the best I've ever, not a great joke for an audio podcast, but you get the gist. This is not an audio podcast. I said that YouTube is growing. It's new. Yeah, it's growing. We do a lot of teasers. A lot of video comes from it, from TikTok. A lot of stuff on TikTok. Yeah, well, so that's how that came about. And then, you know, we did like a bunch of takes and-

Yeah, he was like, Todd was so nice. And then, and Joaquin Phoenix, I'm like the guy who goes on before him. So he's like creeping in the room. And then there's one point where he's just as like, you know, I'm not going to like, but I don't know what his process is. He seems like an intense. Very. You know, actor. And I don't want to know. I'm like, I'm fucking, I don't belong here. This is so stupid. And, and we're in this club Dangerfields, which is no longer there anymore. But when we shot it, you know. Where is it anyway? It was on like 59th and 40th.

I don't know, like first or something. It was far East. It was, I mean, they used to shoot great specials there. That's where like, you know, the old Rodney Dangerfield, I love Rodney Dangerfield. It's like one of my favorite comedians of all time, but they would shoot the old specials where it's like, uh,

you know, Jerry Seinfeld, Sam Kinison, uh, Bill Hicks, like all the legendary sets. Uh, and I remember he would give funny intros. So he'd be like Bill Hicks. He'd be like this next comic. He's so far ahead of his time. His parents haven't even met yet. Give it up for Bill Hicks, everybody. Like funny in the intros of comics. I mean, I love Rodney. So, uh, but I never worked that club. They were always, it was always kind of a shitty club.

Wow, really? Yeah, they never took, apparently Rodney was like, he would do drugs at other, he's like, I'm not doing drugs at my club. I'll do drugs at the comic strip or something. Right, right. But I remember going there and being like, this club sucks. Really?

Really? And that's why it closed, I guess. They just didn't really respect comics. They would do weird shit where you like, you'd go on stage and there'd be like six people in the crowd and they'd do like, do 25 minutes. I'm like, for six people? And I'd be like, all right. So I remember I'm on stage and one's just bombing there for six people. And I watched them walk three more people into the room and I'm like, all right, we got nine. And then they sit down and they gave me like one joke and they were like, nah.

And they just walked out. Really? Yeah, it was brutal. Isn't that hard, though, for a comic? That can... Like, when you get heckled or booed or when people don't... Like, when you feel the energy off of a crowd and it's not going well. Like, how do you kind of maintain that? Like, how do you keep on going? It's, like, so, like... Isn't it demoralizing and, like, difficult? You just get numb. I mean, like, none of it matters, really. When you're young and it's, like, six people and you're bombing, it's pretty painful because you're, like, you just don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. But when...

Now when it goes badly, I'm more just like either upset with myself or like why did I fail to connect? But I mean, now when like they're bad or you're heckled or something, like the audience is usually on my side already. It's almost like a built-in unfair advantage. Before it was like an unfair in the other way because I remember having to build material for

you know, now people pay decent money for the tickets. But I remember when I was starting out, you're doing these clubs where they're like free, they're giving away tickets just to make sure that they're moving drinks. Yeah, right. Exactly. And these people don't give a shit about you. And they're kind of like, prove it. Prove you're funny right now.

And when you go in with that attitude, it can be tough sometimes to take risks and build an act. So you have to keep turning over. I'm like, I don't know how I built an act that way. It's very hard, you know? So wait, so let's go back for two seconds. So did you ever meet Joaquin? Like, did you ever get to meet him? Yeah, we chatted a little bit. And was he weird? Like, was he intense? He was so nice. He was so- Like normal? Normal and warm and friendly and like- Like a regular person? Yeah. Because I've heard he's like so like intense and- Yeah, but I think he just takes what he does seriously. He was so warm.

I mean, I kept doing bits and he was like, I really like your comedy. And I was like, I was like, oh, you're pretty good at what you do. No, no. And then he was like, he was like, you know, a lot of comics, there's like a desperation, you know, and you're just trying to be funny. You're just like not trying to be like weird. You're just trying to. And I'm like, literally like you're playing the Joker.

No more weird character ever. There's nothing weirder. But I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he was awesome. Did you get, like, from that experience, did it kind of help propel your career? Like, what did it do for you? Did it do anything? It was, like, just a cool thing. I don't know if it, like, I don't know if it propelled anything. Yeah, I think it was, like, a thing where people were like, holy shit, you're in the Joker. But, like, no, I think what, like, gets people out on the road is, like, stand-up clips. And they're like, I've seen you be funny before. But it was so cool that Todd used a joke of mine that hits. Like, it's a joke that people like. So, yeah.

He used that joke where you're like, I mean, I see people, it's like, man, the internet's brutal because you just see people stealing your joke. Like some British kid playing a video game and he's like, he's like, you know, just he's doing more in this voice. Like, you know, the joke would be like, you know, women, I look at sex like, men look at sex like...

No, women look at sex like buying a car. You're like, is it safe? Can I see myself in it long term? You know, will it kill me? And I say, men look at sex like parking a car. We're like, there's a spot. There's another spot. Do I have to pay? Never mind. Handicapped.

We'll see. Oh, no, I say, hope no one sees this after Handicap. So that joke he used, and I just see British kids like on TikTok playing video games, like, women look at sex like, you know. Of course. And they're just like, and then people are like, this joke's hilarious. But then you get your like diehard fans who are like, fuck you, you piece of shit. That shit must happen.

It happened a lot, but you can't control that, right? Like it happens in any area of anything. I just got a text from a friend and she was like, this is your joke. You posted that. Yeah. My friend texted to me and I was like, she's like, you should post. I was like, all right. It's true. But so, okay. I want to ask, I've got so many questions for you.

So my first- No one cares about intellectual property theft. It's not a thing that anyone cares about because most people, when you like a thing on social media, you're like, like, move on, never think about it ever again. And they never think about it again. But someone put work into that thought and that joke. And we hone jokes in clubs trying to get jokes to work.

And those people who just do that will never know the satisfaction of cracking a joke. And it is satisfying. I'm sure. You know? So then how do you, like, what is your, okay, so you're 35, right? How long have you been a comedian for or doing stand-up for? I mean, like, my whole life, honestly. I started, like, 18, so. Were you always funny? I was funny in a way, like, not like, look at this fucking guy. Like, I wasn't funny like that. I was funny in a way, like.

I was trying to, I thought it was like cool to be like, you know, clever or witty. So I was trying to, you know, in class, I try to make a funny joke. Like that was my sense of humor was like, you know, you go from like trying to make your classmates laugh to then maybe like 11th grade. You're like, can I make the teachers laugh? Like I want to make the adults laugh, you know? So I think at first the teachers were like, fuck this guy. And then by the end they were like, he's kind of fun. Like I remember we did a thing, we do community service for senior year and

What kind of school did you go to? It was like an all boys school on the Upper East Side. Okay. Yeah. And it was, and we had to do community service and then do a presentation, small school. And, you know, I turned that community service into a standup routine. I was like, I really want to be a comic. I love standup. And it killed, like it really killed. But to the point, like it was a false sense of,

Because they already liked me. They wanted me to be funny. They thought I was funny as a person. So they were rooting for me to succeed. Whereas then you start doing open mics and these people are like, you fucking suck.

Well, that's, well, also I feel like you're, you're like, I don't know yet, but like the evolution of you normally when I have like most comics, I know they come from a very dark background or dark place. And that's how they get. No, we all have our, our stuff. Like you remind me of a guy I went to call, like when I went to high school, like at some Jewish camp, I went to high school, you know what I mean? Like some like guy that I knew from camp Ramah or from,

I don't think that's necessarily true. You know, I think. Not because you do Jewish jokes, but because you just seem like just like a nice guy who just like is like you said, sarcastic, funny. Well, it's a cliche that like every comic has to be this morbid fucking mess. Is it a cliche? Yeah, I think so. I think like why does every comic like there can there are different. I think you need to just be who you

are. Yeah, you're either funny or not. Like, I don't like the idea that I have to be some like brooding dude in a leather jacket on stage like society's fucked. That's not who I am. I'm a guy who's like, I think it's cool to be like the funny guy in the room. Like I got into comedy because like Rodney Dangerfield, you know, Adam Sandler movies when I was a kid, I was like, he's so silly, you know, like, I got it more like

were like the tension breakers and the disruptors to me were, you know, Rodney's the guy who walks into like the country club and is like, look at these fucking jerk offs. Like that was that character. And I was like, hell yeah, that's the guy. Everyone's like snooty and he's mocking them. You're right. You know, and Sandler was the same way. I'd watch those movies as a kid. And then I really got into standup and, you know,

Dave Attell in New York was so influential for me because he was so witty and like brilliant. And, but he had this quality where he could connect to any audience. And I was like, this is like what comedy is, you know? And like, you know, uh, Greg Giraldo was so big for me when I was, you know, young standup. I loved, you know, I love that they seem like smart, but they were also humble and never, uh,

Never condescending to a crowd. My goal was like, I'm an entertainer. That's all I am. I'm here to make you laugh.

And I like the road for me is like the truth. Like if you don't do the road as a comic, you're not going to be that good a comic. Right. If you, if you can't take this shit to Columbus, Ohio and Dallas, Texas and Raleigh and Florida, if you'd not taken it all over the country, like you're missing out. That's how you kind of hone and perfect a new hour of material. Well, how else do people do it? If they didn't do that, they get a deal that like a darling deal with the network and they're just like, I got it. I'll figure it out. But how, like, I mean, do you remember, have you ever done, I'm Canadian. Yeah.

and there's a thing we're in Canada um from Winnipeg originally then Toronto big Jew population in Winnipeg how do you know because I've been I'm a touring comedian so you've been to Winnipeg really? Broomers Comedy Club yeah oh my god what do you think this is a fucking game I put in my work you know Tyler first of all wait is that is Broomers still I haven't been to Winnipeg in like 20 years but is I moved to Toronto uh

Great city. Really young. Yeah. Great city. And then Montreal. My family's in Montreal. But... Good bagels. Great bagels. Different than New York. We don't have to compete. Yeah. No, no, no. It's like F. Scott's Fitzgerald and Hemingway. You can appreciate both. We don't have to... You know, because... Why? Because they're sweeter? And because they're like... Chewier. They're thinner and chewier. Yeah. I think. I think.

I think they're better. See, I'm a New York bagel guy, but I love a Montreal bagel. They can be both good, fine. But I'm used to Montreal bagels. I like them better. I love a Montreal bagel. They're delicious. Montreal food is on its next level. It's great because it's very eclectic. There's a lot of diversity, culture. But Toronto, too, is really good. I prefer Toronto. It's just overall. But Montreal.

What I was going to say to you is rumors. I can't believe, is that even still around? You still go there? I haven't been there forever, but I played there. Yeah. Where do you play in Toronto? I just did a small theater. I forgot the name. Bluma Appel Theater. I don't know that one. It was great. We did a couple of shows. It was awesome. Uh,

Oh, we got delayed like six hours on the way back. I was a part of the Just for Laughs festival. That's what I was going to ask you. Have you done the Just for Laughs? Of course, many times. Yeah, and they were like, they do this thing where they're like, we're going to set up the car service. The car will get you three hours before. I was like, yeah, we got like...

TSA pre and all that global entry. We don't need the three hours. Like, well, we can't move the car. So we're like, all right, fine. Three hours early. Then the flight gets delayed like six hours. So they were like eight hours. Oh, I know. I just got back from Montreal five days ago. And it was, what's going on there with the travel is insane over there. But the just for laughs thing. So did you, I was going to say earlier that people would go there, they would perform in front of all the managers and agents. And then they would hopefully get like a, this was back like 10 years ago.

Even more. You get a deal in like the 90s. Yeah, 15 years ago. No, like early 2000s. A long time ago, yeah. I used to work at Three Arts. By the time I went there, they were like, you might get a manager. Maybe. Yeah, you might get a manager. Yeah. Okay, so that's how I... You were at Three Arts. I worked at... Michael Rotenberg is Canadian. Okay. He sponsored my visa. That was my first real job in the US. Wow. And yeah, and I worked for a guy who...

His name is not Dave Becky. Cause that's, he's also at three yards. Yeah. He works with Michael. But it was, he had red hair and he would wrap. I hear the Canadian by the way now. Red hair. Red hair. And about. About, yeah. He wrapped Janine Garofalo. If you say his name, Rath. Dave Rath. I know Dave well. Is he still around? Great guy. He's such a nice guy. I love Dave. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So that was like, I was like a,

real kid like a baby baby and I lasted like eight days at that job yeah it was an awful job like rolling calls and I was like an assistant to the manager because I was gonna the idea was that's gonna be a comedy manager I guess it's a whole other story of my life couldn't stand that world but that's but I love the comic part but my point is I just picture you taking calls like on the treadmill like uh-huh

Uh-huh. That's like the most showbiz thing I can picture. Someone with like a towel around their neck and a treadmill. That's basically like, yeah. But that was a shitty job. It was like the worst job. I lasted seven days and I went to Dave and I was like, this is not for me. I'm not going to be doing this. He's like, I thought you were going to be. I've known Dave a long time. He's a really nice guy. Who are his clients now? I don't know.

Oh, so clearly you're not with three arts. I haven't had a manager in many years. I don't really think they do much. I mean, they were taking a lot of money and they weren't really doing anything. So I was like, I did, my agents are great, but I don't really, uh, I don't really feel the need for a manager. So why are people paying like the manager 20? Like they're paying them and the agent, like you're left with nothing then if you have both.

It's a good question for them. I don't know. But your agent you like. I think some people look at it like taxes, like it's a necessary thing that you just have to do. But I was like, you're not moving the needle for me. They'd be like, you should try TikTok. I'm like, yeah, I'm on fucking TikTok. You don't know. They'd be like stuff like, you should try this. And I'd be like, you don't know anything. If there was a manager who could have some social media influence, I'd be like, all right, if you provide value, if you're bringing...

in opportunity. Yeah. But it's a lot of like, we guide your career. And I'm like, I know older comics. They can like guide me. They can tell me what to do. Uh, and then the agents are great. They get me a ton of shit and they keep me working and they, uh,

You know, but it's hard to get like, this is what I was getting at. So like you, you said you, you, you work out your reps obviously by going around the country constantly. Yeah. Right. So, and that's how you a know what works, what doesn't work. But even to like, like to get a manager in this, in your business, isn't it really hard? There's so many people like, how do you stand out? Like, how do you like, you do it? Like, like what you said, the just for laughs festivals, you get seen a festival as you, you try to wow them at a festival. The thing is, whenever you bring up someone to your reps, you're like, you got to see this person. They're like,

because they want to discover them of course they don't want to be told like you gotta see this person they want to be like they want to be like I just fucking discovered this dude right but who discovered who takes credit for you oh jeez I mean some I have no idea who takes credit for me I don't know

I've had many managers and agents in my life. How long has this agent been around for? A couple of years. Okay. Yeah. And so have they done a lot of good? They're great. They've helped you a lot? Yeah, they're great. But it's kind of like a weird, like kind of like chicken or the, like you need to be

at a certain level, successful enough to even get the agent, right? They always tell younger comics, like, just focus on being good and the other stuff will come. It's like, you can't think about outside stuff. I understand it's like very, it can be overwhelming and you could look at other people getting stuff and you could get, you could panic, like, why not me? But the truth is, like,

Are you in this for life? Well, then that person who does this might come right back down and you might do that slow climb and you might have a longer, more interesting career. Right. Actually, that's true. So then how did, what was your thing? So you said you were in school, blah, blah, blah. You learned you wanted to be a standup. So what did you do? So what was your first thing? So first like gig that really changed my life was I won a festival in Atlanta called the laughing skull festival. And the prize was, Oh,

A year worth of road work. And I think, so they kind of had to book me at clubs for a year. That was the prize. Like all these bookers were at the festival. So they were like, okay, you're either the opening act or the headliner at every one of these clubs for a year. So I was just like working. I was like, wow, I'm just like a working comic with, you know, a lot of these gigs suck, but yeah.

They put hair in your chest. Problem is when you're doing bad gigs is you get like a temper because you're being disrespected so much. Like you're doing so many gigs where people are just like talking through your set or ignoring you. And you're just like, so now you're like a, like a dog that like an owner used to beat and you're just like biting people for no reason. So I was just like,

You know, I'd be in like an okay crowd and someone like you'd hear a glass and I'd be like, fuck you. And they'd be like, what? I'm like, sorry. I just. Right, right, right. I was just in Reno all weekend. Sorry. I was going to say, was there an audience that's better than others? Like is there a city or? Yeah, certain cities are great. Yeah. Winnipeg crowds were good. Although, damn, I do remember like, you know, Madison, Wisconsin is like one of the best clubs in the country. Really? Why? There's a weird combination of like,

My friend always says this, like blue, blue city, red state. That's what you want. You get a nice mix of everybody. That's true. Yeah. Um, I, yeah, man is the club is well run. It's great. Uh,

Jeez, there's so many good clubs. I'm trying to think what else. I mean, certain cities. Well, how many days a year are you traveling? So many. Like how many? How many a month? Almost every weekend I'm pretty much gone. And then like sometimes in between you got to do stuff. So like I'm out for like right now it's been like I've been out for like –

About eight days or so. So how many days a month would you say you're traveling in? At least 15, 14? Probably. So how do you have like... Makes you appreciate New York. Any place you live, wouldn't it? Yeah, it makes you appreciate home. Like you're like, you know, you do a weekend in like Wilmington, Delaware, and then you're like, New York's a good fucking city. Right, right. Like you're seeing all the like armpits of everywhere. Yeah, a lot of armpits. A lot of armpits, right? So then...

Like, so what is it? Anywhere is cool for like three nights, honestly, or two nights. Anything's cool. But it's not two nights, right? Because you're doing two nights all the time. Like two nights now, two nights again. You can find stuff to do. Like I try to live like the way Bourdain did minus the very end, obviously. Yes, obviously. But like the way he would do the road, right? Where he would just kind of appreciate-

Where he is. He would really find the good in every city. And I found that inspiring, you know? You seem like such a... I can't get over how like peppy you seem to be for a comedian. Really? Yes. I mean, I've got my shit. Everyone's got their... I mean, like...

I've never been called peppy in my life, by the way. Maybe to like a fitness person, I'm peppy where you're like, oh, I thought you'd be horrible. But amongst comics, no one's ever been like, you're a peppy guy. You're not like Mr. Congeniality necessarily, but I feel like you're someone I would have liked

gone to school with and grown up with or hang out with like you seem like you have like a pretty solid normal life and like you would like I said like you had one day you were like okay I think I want to do stand-up and you seem pretty confident like you don't seem like you've had to work out a lot of insecurity or like I've been in therapy for many years I've got issues I I just you know I'm like do you talk about your issues a lot in your in your in your comedy

Yeah, a little bit. I mean, I'm definitely regressed a little bit as a human in the last year or so. I mean, like, you know, you go through a breakup and you just kind of regress a little bit. You got to heal and deal with shit. And I think... I didn't bring it up because you told me not to bring it up. Yeah, but I mean, I brought it up. It's all right. That's okay. We're fine. It's just, you know, you do that and then you're kind of like, it's hard to heal physically.

on the road. Like, no one's ever been like, oh, you're in pain? Go to Buffalo. Yeah. You know, go away from home. So it's like, yeah, that's, you got to work on stuff. You got to have a good foundation. I bring, my friend Gary is on the road with me a lot. Gary who? Vita, really funny comic. You'd love him. One of my best friends since we started, I mean, we started in open mics together. So I mean, he's one of my oldest friends. So it was like, he's very, he's a good influence.

But no, I've got my shit. My parents are supportive though. I'm on good terms with my parents. I'm very fortunate. I try to remember when things are bad. It's okay to have gratitude. A lot of comics think there's nothing funny about them. No, you'll find funny shit. You don't have to be miserable. There's other stuff there.

And I think positivity, if I don't have that, I will sink. So I need to force a little bit of it. Was this the first, you went out with Taylor Tomlinson, the girlfriend he's referring to. Was that the first comic you ever dated? No, I've done it before. Oh, you have? Funny women are cool. I mean, it's like I'm attracted to smart, funny women for sure.

And so like, so then you're not like, you're not disenchanted. You'll date another comic if you meet them. Probably not, honestly. Oh. It's because it's painful when it's like you're in the... Industry. Yeah, because you just, you have to see them for the rest of your life. Like, you know. Right. But that being said, like I...

I care about her very much. I want her to do great. You know, it's, uh, she is doing great, right? Yeah. But it must be strange, right? Cause it's like, you see them all the time. You hear about them all the time. It's not like she's an, she's an accountant and you're, uh, you know, like it's always a path to cross. That's the next one. An accountant. Yeah. I mean, maybe not. I don't know about that one, but you know, I, yeah, it's, it's strange. It's a strange, uh,

It's a strange life. It's you're just like, all right. I mean, you get to connect on this deep level, but you, you run a risk, you know, of it ending. Well, like, even if it's like not even talking about her specifically in general, like you have a lot in common, you can like, you can practice each other's like bits on each other, I guess. Right. And whatever else, do you guys help, do you guys help each other write stuff or? Every once in a while. Yeah. We run a bit here and there. Sure. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you kind of, the thing is like, you kind of have a friend you already do that with. So, you know, but we, yeah, we would do that sometimes. Do you have other writing partners that help you? I wouldn't say like partners, but yeah. Or like people? I have friends who I text like, hey, has this bit been done? Or like, hey, do you want to hop on a Zoom? Or just, you're almost doing it more to just talk it out to a friend. Yeah. I want, I need to talk this bit out. So you just kind of say the joke to your friend and you see how they react. And you're like, oh, this guy's got a bit kind of similar. And you're like, what if I did this? Is that different? Like, that's a different bit, you know?

Or like you just kind of do. Yeah, you have those. It's also surrounding yourself. Like you say, like I'm positive. Like I surround myself with like friends who are pretty driven. Yeah. And funny. And that pushes you in a great way. Like you're, oh my God, so many of my friends, like, you know, Joe List or Mark Norman or like those guys who like,

you know, really write a lot. Who's the first guy you said? Joe Liss. Joe Liss. He's got a new movie out called Fourth of July. It's great. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Name me some other ones that you think are really, really good. That are like close to my, I mean, Phil Hanley's one of my best friends. Rachel Feinstein's one of my best friends. Oh, yeah. She's funny. Yeah. She's like a sister to me. I mean, we're very close. Do you like, do you know Eliza? What's her last name? Schlesinger. Yes. I don't know her really, but I've met her. I don't know her.

really. She seems really funny too. She is funny. I mean, you're a Jewish woman, so that's why I thought it really funny. But my favorite, I think, is Bill Burr. I love him. He just did our podcast. I saw that. Bill is like the coolest man. I opened for him at college when I was at Tulane. My husband went to Tulane. Yeah. Yeah. Tulane. Yeah, exactly. Jews. All the Jews go there. Did you go for your undergrad or did you go for your... Yeah, I went for like a year and a half.

Oh, you didn't finish? I didn't finish it too. I finished in New York. But I... Where in New York did you finish? NYU. NYU. Yeah. You could do that with almost any school. It's not that hard. But then... Isn't it hilarious? I love it.

that wasn't that good that wasn't that good you're giving me too much credit for that one that was nothing isn't he hilarious I'm like that was pretty standard no no no it was not but I will say you are very good at this thing yeah Bill came to school when I was like 19 I still have the picture of us and I was such a big fan of his I was like oh man like even back then I thought he was so funny hilarious and I looked up to him a lot and uh

I remember it was like the day that, God, I forgot the guy's name. He was a Yankees pitcher who like crashed a helicopter into a building in Midtown. And Bill was like, did you hear about that? And I said like, yeah, I thought you were a Red Sox fan. He goes, not that big of a Red Sox fan. It's like classic Burr voice. Not that big of a fucking Red Sox fan. But he was so nice to me. It meant so much to me. He was so, uh,

When you're a young comic and you look up to someone, it's like, that goes such a long way. And we were on Conan together like 10 years later. And I hadn't seen him since then. I very much steered clear of guys I respect because I just was like, let me just get good in the shadows. Right. And they'll see me when I'm good. I don't want them to see me when I'm, I know I'm not good yet. I know this takes time.

That's why I love The Road because I could fail. Bill Burr actually calls it, I've told him this, like how I quote him on this all the time, but I'm like, he calls it killing in obscurity. You get good killing in like Des Moines, Iowa or something. So no one sees you except the people in Des Moines, Iowa. You know, now everyone is like posting every clip on social media, even brand new comics, but they didn't have that when I was a new comic. Thank God for me because I wasn't good. So, I mean, I understood joke structure, but...

you know, you kind of just start killing in these weird cities and you're like, I'm figuring this out. So yeah, I remember doing Conan with Bill Burr and he was so fucking funny. I remember it was like the craziest lineup I've done late night sets before, but the lineup was like, it was like Bill Hader, Bill Burr. And then me, I was like, this is like insane. There's like two of my favorite comedians. That's incredible. Uh, and they're both so freaking cool. I mean, uh,

but i remember talking to him he's like where do i know you from i was like i just have one of those faces you know it's like what you said you're like you remind me of a guy i went to college with i'm like no you don't remember it's like 10 years ago and he's like all right but now i but now i know him and he's so is he like the i feel like he's like the comedian's comedian like i think all the comics love him too like he's he's prolific he's clever he's

he's like everything you want a comedian. He's like, yeah, he's one of the best ever. I think so. Who else would you say? Like, well, what's your take on like Dave Chappelle? Everyone finds him to be hilarious. Yeah. I mean, not everyone. There's a lot of controversy. No, no, no. But I'm saying like, but I feel like people put him on this pedestal. Like he's so great. Well, I think that's, it gets hard when you, when that happens.

Because I think there's an expectation and it's like, I think Dave is obviously an amazing comedian. And I do get annoyed though with all the like, oh, they're going to cancel Dave. I was like, dude, Netflix literally publishes him taking a shit. Yeah, exactly. Like, what are you talking about? He's not getting canceled. No, he is one that will never get canceled. He did that speech and they published it. I'm like, he's fine. Calm down. Well, how come nothing ever happens to him though? How come? I mean, well, first off, I hope nothing does because that, you know, because I think free speech is important.

I totally agree. But I also don't, I think this like fear of it, like being like, you know, Dave is a great comedian. Like I, I don't like when comedians get turned into martyrs. I think our job is to be funny. So when it, when it turns into like this larger thing, I'm like, Hey, he's doing great. He's fine. Um,

Everyone's settled down. It's all buzz. I find it's like, you know, it's almost like a shock jock tactic from back in the day where they're like, they're trying to cancel us. And then you rile up their fans and those guys are making a shitload of millions. I'm like, well, your fans aren't. Right. So it's kind of like, it's almost like you're duping people. So I'm kind of like, you know what? My life's going great. No need for that.

But you're not nervous about yourself being canceled or what you say or like- If it happens, it happens. I'm not going to lose sleep about it. I don't, I mean, like I've gotten a taste of it very young where I got in trouble for a joke in like 2013. And you know what? It was annoying. I was pretty anonymous in the business. So it was, it sucks when you're known for just like a joke that people don't like. But I've also, you know-

I think you live your life and you try to be a decent person and hopefully that's your reputation. And, and,

If it happens, I think people will be like, Hey man, he makes jokes. He'll miss sometimes. He's a nice guy. And that's that, you know, it just got, I don't think the can't or comics really getting canceled over shit. They say, I think like when it's like, you know, Bill Cosby, you're like, yeah, that wasn't over a joke. I hope you're right. Like, I think it's your job is to be funny and to say things you've laughed at and you make fun of everybody. It's not like you're picking one person, not you personally in general.

But I feel like it's gotten out of hand. Like everybody is now like has having to be, I feel are very like watching what they're saying and trying to be very like, you know, I think they don't want to get canceled. Yeah. The problem is there's the content has outweighed quality. Like the need for the quantity is really outweighed, you know, quality. So,

Everyone's just speaking. People are riffing on topics that are dangerous to riff on. So when you write a joke on one of those, you can kind of stand behind it. You're like, well, that was written. That was prepared. I put thought into it. But when you're just freestyling on trans people, you're like, oh, shit, this could be dangerous. And then I don't think...

I think everyone's done too many podcasts now to really be canceled for that shit. I think everyone's like, you know, Colin Quinn will say like, all you need to cancel us is wifi. You know, it's like, I, it's true. I mean, but I, at the same time, I think people are just like over it. I think, I think the way it swung one way, it'll swing back the other way, almost like too hard where you're like, all right, well that's like, you know,

Johnny Depp's trial was at the perfect time. Let's put it that way. I'm so glad that actually did happen because I think that that helped the pendulum go back a bit. Maybe. Then what happened? So where is that Aziz guy? He was so funny. He got canceled. Aziz? He didn't get canceled. I mean, he, he, he like kind of got canceled. Aziz was like a, and does anyone want to hear a white guy talk cancel culture, by the way, is the most fucking played out shit. No, it's not. I want to know. I mean, no, I think Aziz, you know, Aziz,

was a really unfair. That was really unfair. I think it was really unfair. And I think he felt really bad about it. And I don't think he really, I mean, deserved it. He didn't deserve it. No, not at all. I mean, so, you know, uh, it was a bad date. You know what I mean? Like it was a bad date.

But that's saying like it could be this person's word against somebody else's word and it can like destroy your life. But he was a victim of like that, we're talking that pendulum. Yeah. He was a victim of like that moment in time. Is he coming back though you think? He is back. He put out a Netflix special right after it. He did. I think he's put out two. Oh he has? And he has another movie that just actually had suspension because Bill Murray got in trouble for some on set behavior. So worry about Bill Murray, not his ease right now. Okay good.

Aziz is doing fine. He's doing fine then? Okay, good. Okay, then let's go back to then how, oh, by the way, you have a podcast too, another one that you started. I have two podcasts. We might be drunk with Mark Norman and I have Games with Names, which has just come out with Julian Edelman from the Patriots. And what I was going to say to you is, ironically today, I got like a newsletter that like talked all about your podcast. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

It was so strange that I got it the same day. Julian. He's a super handsome Jew. He's ripped. If we're the Inglourious Bastards, he's Brad Pitt and I'm one of the weak Jews. I'm like the BJ Novak, Sam Levine. We've changed next to each other because we're banking episodes. And I'm like, oh my God, you want to feel bad about your physique?

Changed next to a former badass wide receiver who's still shredded. And he'll complain about his body too, which is so annoying. He does? He'll be like, I'm like, this is like PG-13. I need pay-per-view abs. I'm like, fuck you. You're shredded.

Is he funny? Yeah, he's funny. And he's cool. I mean, he's like, he's the best. He's like, yeah, he's. How did that even come about? Like you and this athlete. I think they wanted a New York guy, a New York comedian who knew sports. Well, how did you guys become, were you guys friends? Did someone connect the two of you? Yeah, we were connected through, I think. Your agency? Yeah. And his company was looking for a New York comedian who,

Who could talk sports? I think they like first up Julian from the Bay Area and then he's but he's a Boston sports legend. So we have that Boston New York rivalry. Yeah, and I can trash the Boston teams and you could trash New York. And I think that's a fun rivalry. So, you know, we take like classic games and we relive them with the people from the games. It's a really fun show. We've had like Eli Manning was the first episode. We have Payton. We have, you know, Paul Pierce, all these great guys.

athletes come on and, and it's a good show. Wow. And so like, so basically, did you audition for this? Like if he's, we're looking for like a comedian where you're like, I didn't, I wouldn't say audition, but like I went to his apartment with all his friends and we had burgers and we watched football and we, I think they want to make sure that we vibe. Right. But, uh,

And I, you know, I want to make sure too. I don't want to sign up for something where it's like, I'm like, this dude's a freaking dolt. No, he's cool. He's cool and funny and really good. And so how many episodes did you guys bank already? We've got like 12 banked. There's 24 in the first season. So we'll finish it out. Wow. So who was it? So you had Eli Payton. Who else did you have on there? A lot of football guests are the ones banked because when we were doing it, that was...

that was who was available, but we're going to get a lot of like basketball and like hockey and baseball too. But, uh, we had, yeah, Calvin Johnson, Megatron, you know, uh, Ricky Williams, Michael Irvin, Michael Vick, like a lot of, a lot of big guests. Wow. Yeah. And so how often are you going to be taping that, that in New York that you're doing it? We were taping in New York. Yeah. I don't know what we're going to do for the rest of the episodes. I mean, we can kind of set up shop anywhere, but we got a cool studio in New York and, uh,

Yeah, he's the man. I think people, if you like sports and you like reliving great games with the people playing them, and we're just silly, it's a fun time.

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- When I saw you, do you feel like there's momentum on you or is it just me, myself thinking this 'cause I just found you? - Friends will text me nice stuff, but I'm too in it. I'm not home enough, I'm working on the next thing, I panic. I put out a lot of comedy specials, so I think I'm always kind of panicking for new material and trying to be like, when can I get the new thing out? So that's a big thing. - Yeah, do you have anxiety for figuring out more? - Oh yeah.

Yeah, I mean, you know, the special that really helped me was called I Got This and that's on YouTube and that's got 11 million views on YouTube, you know, and that really changed things for me. Every network passed on that. And I was like, this is a good hour. It's pretty painful. Every network passed on that? Everyone passed on it. Yeah. It was a hard time to sell a special. It was like, you know, unless you were famous, they wouldn't really buy it unless you were famous, you know, and, you know, it's.

You just, I was just like, all right, you know, I was pretty hurt at the time, but you know, I was still determined. I was like, well, I'm done with these jokes. I'd like to tape this. And I remember I, yeah, I did it in New York for like the HBO people. And this one guy at HBO, like really, like,

loved it and was trying to bring everyone in and uh the higher-ups were like yeah they want something artsy they want something like that i'm like a pure like kind of joke guy they want some like you know and then i got molested and i'm wearing a turtleneck or so that's what they want you know uh and i don't have that so uh and then you know so that that hurt and of course like you know

At the time, I was like, fuck HBO. But looking back, it's like no one watches HBO specials anymore. So it's like the best thing that happened to me. Yeah, Netflix passed. Amazon, I didn't want. I mean, I probably would have then. And then my agent was like, let's go to LA. Let's run for Netflix. I was like, all right. So I came here. My crowd killed.

You know, no dice. And then I just told my agent, I'm just going to film it. Fuck them. And then I did. And then Comedy Central was like, we'll put it on our YouTube and we'll pay you to put it on our YouTube. And I was like, well, they got a huge YouTube following. And my whole thing was like, you need a link. Like, all your friends are going to share your special video.

And then when you're, I've had specials on Comedy Central where they're like, watch it at 11 p.m. And everyone's like, what is this, 1992? Right. No, no one does that. You know, when you, how many, it takes you like four times for someone like, you got to watch this show. And you're like, all right. And then another friend's like, have you seen this show? That's like, it takes like six of those. I think there's like research on that. It takes, I think, four times. But if there's a link. Yeah.

If there's a link, it helps, but people watch it in segments. If it's good, like they'll, you know, they won't watch the whole thing maybe, or they'll like look at it. They'll stare at it a few times. But on Twitter, people would be like, watch this and be like, but if they watch this and they have the link there, it's like, oh my God. They'll tap it for, yeah. Exactly. Or like click it, yeah. And if the first few jokes wrote people in, I opened with like all me too jokes and they were all like, I think an angle that comics weren't hitting, which was kind of like,

A little more down the middle. I think a lot of... I heard a lot of, like, comics, like, you can't say nothing to women anymore. And I'm like, that's not the problem. I think it's the rapes. But whatever. But I did, like...

You know, so I did a lot of jokes about that. And I think that like, that was kind of a, like I came out of the gate hard and I do that with this new special too. I come out of the gate hard. I'm like, I'm aware of the attention span. So I'm like, let's come with some hard jokes quick. I'm like, I want that first five minutes to be like, bam, bam, bam jokes. So I think that helped. And then.

A lot of comics, I think, liked that I did it that way, that I was kind of like middle fingers to the industry. Good, yeah. But really, it was like my only option. People were like, this is punk rock. I'm like, no, it's literally my only choice. Right, everyone turned you down. Yeah, but then it got so many views so quickly that I think people were like, holy shit.

And you think it's because the first five minutes was so good? No, I think it's a tight special. I think it's my best special probably. It's like it was a lot of work. I put a lot of work into it. And how long? You said it was an hour, right? It's like 48 minutes or 49 minutes probably. That's a lot of material. Yeah, it was a lot of jokes. And I think a lot of comics just like,

They related to it. So they were pushing it. A lot of comics were mad that they saw a good thing that got passed on. Cause then they were probably like, I can make a good thing that will get passed on. I relate to this. So I think a lot of comics like took, you know, you know, push me for that reason. And, uh,

And then, you know, the pandemic, it was funny. I put that out to tour. I was like, this will help my, you know, I'm not getting a lot of money on this. I'm putting this out to sell tickets on the road. And it really helped. I got a lot of fans out of it, but I can't tour because COVID just fucking hit. It came out February of 2020. So. Oh my gosh, a month prior. But, but the reason it got so many views was probably also because of that. Cause people are home and they're like, we can watch this. So long run, it did help me, but yeah, I really wanted to tour and this really hurt. So yeah.

uh during covid what i did was i uh i really was like well i need to really work on a new act i need to figure out how to perform i can't perform there's no clubs open in new york so i shot a rooftop special where i just go to i just put an instagram like do you have a rooftop i'll come to your roof get your friends together get some white claw get some beer

I'm bringing a camera crew with a fucking drone. Let's do this. And I hit up like so many rooftops for so long. I just kept doing roofs and we just kept filming it. How many rooftops did you actually end up doing? So many. I mean, I did it for like months. So I just kept doing roofs and then probably filmed like 10 of them. But I just kept doing, I mean, I had to do them to get in shape too because I was like, man, I'm so out of comedy shape. It's not my best work because it's like I'm out of comedy shape. But it was a really cool thing that I'm glad we did. My friend Matt Salacuse directed that and he was so...

passionate about it. Like literally shows up on a roof in Murray Hill with his, with a drone. He's like, we can't go too far this way. Cause there's a no fly thing here. So we're like, we're really dealing with these weird, uh, you know, rules, but. I think I heard you talk about that on Mark Maron's, uh, podcast. I don't know if we had done it yet. Actually, when I did. Oh, I thought that's what you guys are doing. Maybe. Oh no. You were talking about doing a lot of Instagram lives. You were doing a lot of those. I don't know. Yeah. Not the one I was the,

I don't know. That was like after a while, you know, that was a lot of work that rooftop one because something would go wrong on every roof. Like things go wrong in venues. So if you're on a roof, we're like, there's not an outlet here. We need to charge a battery or like there's not, you know, the mic just didn't work. We were down by like the World Trade Center and the mic just didn't work. We're in Bushwick. It's like a shitty ass roof, you know, and like people are hanging off or like it.

Are they going to be okay? We're climbing ladders to get on these weird roofs. It was such a weird, it's a, it was a great thing. I hope I never have to do again. Right. You had to do something to like work. I kind of just like work the muscle, right? Oh my God. I remember the idea where I got the idea was it.

where the idea was I was doing these like they were like you do ten minutes on my show at the You know down by the water, you know So we I'd be like traveling far during kovat to get ten minutes of it And I'm like, I'm bet I can't do I need an hour. I need to go long. I need to experiment I'm very experimental with my stand-up. I fall ass backwards in the punchlines. I'm not the type of guy that's like this is perfect I need to figure it out. So

Yeah, I was, I need long sets. And I started bringing friends with me and it was like turned into like, we're hanging out. This is great.

Yeah, it was a great experience. You call on the audience a lot too. That's kind of like your, I feel like you do that. Maybe I see that on Instagram. I do that to promote gigs. I do that because I'm like, it's not my favorite thing, but it's like, it's fun. It's spontaneous. It makes the show special. If I do an hour, I'll do a little of that anyway, just to make the show feel unique. Or I'll make fun of the city. I'll have fun with them. But I do that really to promote gigs.

because I can post without burning material. Right. Oh, okay. What would you say that you're known for? Like, there's like, okay, he's really good. His thing is he's really known for great writing, joke writing. I don't know what I'm known for. I think just like a joke guy. I'm like old school jokes, kind of like short form jokes a lot probably. Not like a great, I mean, I don't know, but I feel like you're a very good writer. Thank you.

I mean, not like I, I mean, even the thing on David, how'd you even get the David Letterman thing? He picked a few comics or what was. I don't even think he picked them. I think like one of his people picked them and he probably approved them. He was probably like, I'm fine with this. But yeah, my agent was like, do you want to do this? And I was like.

like, nah, I don't want to talk to Letterman. So like, yeah, let's fucking do it. It's David Letterman. So, I mean, I would have like daydreams as a kid. Like, you know, I'd be in like, you know, the shower, like, I'm so Dave, like you're an idiot kid pretending to like be interviewed by Letterman, you know? And you were interviewed by him. Yeah. He was, he was really, really cool. It was a really great experience. He was really, really warm and friendly. And like, of course I've heard, I've seen the clips of him like burying guests sometimes where like,

I guess he felt he had to save the interview. So you're like, man, what would be worse than bombing for Dave? Like, let me bring the fucking heat, you know? Yeah. He didn't seem like he knew what was going on. He kind of felt like he didn't really know the comedians very well when he was interviewing a little bit. He said he watched my rooftop stuff. He said he's like... And we talked in the green room before for a while. And he was like, I've watched a lot of your stuff. And he was like, he said, I like how resourceful you are. And like, you know...

Oh, about yours. I'm talking about the other comedians more. Oh, okay. Because I saw yours and a couple other ones. Okay. He seemed like he wasn't... On yours, he asked you questions that are more personal. The other ones, he didn't. That's what I noticed. I don't know. I think he did watch everyone who came on. He...

I'll watch it again. Yeah. You don't have to. No, I'm curious. I don't want to give you homework. Yeah, no, he was, he was, that was a great experience. That was really cool. No, I'm sure. Like that was like, because he's David Letterman, right? Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, he felt, he was very warm after the interview and before. And like, you know, at one point I came out

cause you do standup before. And I had a phone, I guess, bulging out of my pocket and first joke hits. And then someone in the top yells out, Sam. And I'm like, what? And they're like, Sam, uh, is that, is that a phone in your pocket? And I'm just like, is someone fucking with me? So they say, is there a phone in your pocket? And I just said, no, it's my cock. And it's like, I'm just trying to like volley. I'm trying to save it. And they said, uh, you got to restart the set. So there's no phone in your pocket. And I'm like, okay.

And Dave like jokingly runs over like, "Get the fuck off stage." And like he's hamming it up being silly. And then he grabs me and goes, "I'm so, so sorry. This is so awful. I'm so sorry." And I said, "It's okay. It's all right." So I go back and I go back out. I tell the same joke again, it crushes 'cause they really want me to do well. Now they feel bad for me, the crowd.

And even after the interview goes, I'm so, so sorry. I was like, Hey man, like I've, I've been, I've done this before. It happens. All right. You know, he, he was, and you know, he was really like, it felt sincere when he was like, really was like, it was really great talking to you. And I was like, dude, this is like,

It was a big deal for me. Huge deal. There was one point where he was like, well, how do you know you've made it? I was like, I'm talking to David Letterman. Yeah, exactly. What do you mean, how do I know I've made it? This is pretty good. Well, that was funny. That would be my next question. When do you know? That's a pretty big moment. I think my goals are not... I wouldn't say that I'm not ambitious, but I'm doing what I want to do. So that's the thing where it's like... And making money at it. Yeah, it's going very well. So it's like, it'll be...

How I know I made, I feel like I've made it. I feel like I, uh, I have goals to be in like bigger venues and, and I have other things. The problem is now like so much of what we do is like podcast based and I love it. It's a great way to reach new people and to promote your, your stuff. But I really got 448, your four 48, I've done 448 podcasts. Uh, but the thing is special. Are people going to get that reference? I posted Jonah Hill had a thing. He tweeted, uh,

I don't, I have too much anxiety to do press anymore. And I think I wrote back like, cool, I'm doing 447 podcasts to promote my special, but good for you. Yeah, and I wrote, I'm 448. But you know, he, you know, he, if you're an actor, it almost is cool to not do press. You almost have mystique. If you're a comic, you can't really do that, I feel like. But I didn't sign up to this to be like a radio guy. That's the thing. So I got into this because I was like, I want to be like, you know,

a sitcom guy. I was like, I grew up with that era. So I was like, I want to be like Gary Shanley or Jerry Seinfeld or something. And then, and then it's like, Oh shit, I have to be Don Imus. That's not what I want to do. You know? So I love Don and people don't know who that is. That was like the, wasn't that like the, he was the opposing person for, I always, I think of him as the enemy of Howard Stern. Have you been on Howard Stern yet? No, I haven't. Do you want to be, I, you know, it's funny. I didn't really grow up listening to him. I know everyone, it's like almost a sin to say I, I,

I grew up in the city, so I wasn't like, I didn't really have like a commute. So I wasn't like, I don't, I can't drive. That's true. Oh, I heard you say that on like on Whitney Cummings podcast that you can't drive. You heard me get a word in on Whitney Cummings podcast? I was going to say, can I tell, I'm really happy you said that because that was what I was going to tell you when you walked in. I'm like, I try to like do some like research on you. Right. So I'm like, okay, I'll listen to that. I'm like, okay. He was on Whitney Cummings podcast. I don't listen to her. So I'm like, well, I'll listen to it to see.

It was all about, she talked the entire time. I couldn't, there was not one piece of information that I could get from you. I couldn't glean one thing. It was all about her being on Prozac or anxiety. And then that was a problem. I couldn't get anything. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, were we talking about a second? By the way, that's why I went to the Marc Maron podcast to see if I can get some information. Yeah.

And that's when I thought you were, he was like, he, you guys, you were on, like I thought during COVID or. Yeah, I was during COVID, but it was before I shot the thing. So I was still out here. I was in LA. We shot that in person. It was like a big deal that we met in person at the time. Oh, it was. Okay. Cause he wasn't, I mean, a lot of people weren't meeting and he was like, are you good? And I was like, yeah, you're fine. Right. I'm,

I was pretty paranoid at first, for sure. Because Michael... By the way, I know Michael Yeo very well, too. And you said you guys were friends, too. That was crazy what happened to him. I know. Because he was super healthy. Like, it was like... It's random. It's always scary when a healthy person, something horrible happens to them because you're like, well, I'm not the picture of health. Right? And so if it can happen to someone who's super healthy, that was the thing. But anyway, so the Whitney Cummings thing. So I couldn't... I didn't get anything for you, unfortunately. What would be, like, the idea? Like, when in your, you know...

getting a sitcom of like success yeah I mean I guess is it getting a sitcom do people care Netflix specials is that the big deal now I guess it is well yeah I got one now yeah I mean it's out yeah September 1st it's out same time tomorrow on Netflix and

I'm doing the things I want to be doing right now. And that's, I really can't, I think sometimes like, when do you know you made it? I don't think that big, big picture. I try to look day to day. Like, obviously I have ambitions, you know, but, uh, I have my own whiskey out right now. That's really cool. Called Bodega Cat. How did you even start that?

I have a drinking podcast and my friend and I were like, we should have our own whiskey. And then we're like, we, we probably have people listening who have a distillery. So many emails about like, we'll make your whiskey. So we went with a guy who seemed pretty legit. It's called Bodega Cat Whiskey. You can get it at bodegacatwhiskey.com. It's, it's, it'll be your favorite rye. It's really good. It's such good whiskey. I'm sorry. I don't have a bottle, but I'll, I'll, I'll next time I'm here, I'll bring you a bottle. You promise? Or is that just like lip service?

I don't drink whiskey, but my husband would take it. Well, now I, now I got to rush it over. I don't drink it, but, uh, we can send it or something. No, we'll definitely, it's, it's really good whiskey. I promise you'll like it. How long has it been out for? It just came out. We've been working on this forever to get it out. And so I'm doing that. I got the podcast. I wrote an animated show that I'd love to make. We couldn't sell it. It was my friend Dana Gould and we made it. And Dana's brilliant. I've learned a lot from working with him, but, uh,

that's a thing i'd love to make right now touring is great i'm happy touring i'm gonna go real hardcore hardcore tour next year i'm hitting like smaller cities right now to kind of build up the the new hour to so i have an act so like you know that's why i'm going to fort wayne indiana on thanksgiving my parents are thrilled oh wow really oh yeah i'm sure they are just fucking build it up

You're just constantly on the road. Okay, so wait. Get back to the special that's out right now. Yeah. Okay, so because you didn't sell the other one that got 11 million views, is that how you got this one? I think that helped. Yeah. I think they were like, people will watch, yeah. So then how did that... So after that, did you go to them and say, hey, I want to do a special? Did you make a special? What was the process? Give us the story. I think my agent is very crafty and he...

He basically was like, you know, I think you're missing out being in business with Sam. Like maybe we could do a deal. So it's like a licensing deal where I still own the special, but I get it for two years. So it was a creative way to get on there while still having ownership. I think ownership is like really good to have your specials. And it's a good way to like get to reach a new audience. Like would I get more views on YouTube than Netflix? Probably. Honestly. But especially now. For sure. But at the same time, you know.

I was like, hell yeah. I mean, look, the Netflix ship is sinking. Let's, let's grab a lifeboat. Exactly. Fucking have some fun. Did they give you like a licensing? Like, do you get like a, obviously they're paying you. Yeah. They're paying me. Yeah. You're not getting like the $25 million fee that let's say. 24. You know, it's like, it's all right. It's okay. You'll take it. Yeah. But yeah, it's, it's a new thing. It's good. It's like, you know, good to diversify always. Like you get fans from different places and you reach people that you wouldn't have reached. And yeah,

But are people like not that Andrew Schultz thing that came out where he had to buy it back? Pay-per-view style, yeah. Yeah. Is that just the way that people are doing it more? I don't know. Do they edit it? Do you have to be very careful of what you do say when you're on like a Netflix or an Amazon? No, I think it's all bullshit. I don't think we really have to be that careful. I don't know what happened in his situation, but I know he felt the need to buy it back, but he probably made money.

way more money that way anyway so at the same time it's like well maybe that's why i did it you know for me i've never felt like there's a couple times they've like been like we don't know about this bit and i'm like well it's in there so right you know like i'm kind of like yeah i don't think

you know, uh, they don't say cut it out or that is hilarious. If Amazon's like, we have a problem with this joke, we'll let people die in our warehouses. But this joke is upsetting. Um, well, they're scared also for the same reason, like cancel culture. No, stop. I don't think, I think it's all overblown in general. I think like, you know, uh, I remember comedy central, I think an eight minute dead baby joke and they were like, this can't be in. I was like, well, it is. So, uh, don't know what to tell you. And they were like, all

All right, so I had to open the joke by being like, Comedy Central wanted me to say that they don't think this is funny. Me, on the other hand. That's how you open the joke? Yeah. It's on YouTube. Yeah, it was a dicey one. I want to go look at that. Did you get any kind of hate for that? Oh, yeah.

Tons of death threats. Really? Let's fucking go. That's good. But that also just, that gives her, the controversy must be really helpful for you, right? So more people watch it. Oh, I thought the joke was pretty funny. I was kind of more mocking the person who got offended by the joke than the actual baby. But you know, like, you know, uh,

Uh, I think it's always good. I, you know, uh, and I think it's good for comedy when people have control. So I think like Andrew buying it back is great that he just now owns it and has control and like he makes that money and then he could do whatever he wants with it in a couple of years. So like, you know, with comedy central, like,

The problem with them was just having people see it. Like that was the thing, it's like they won't adapt. - But why? I don't get that. Why is it behind the times? - It's an old model and this is what they're married to and everyone, a lot of good people got laid off there and it's upsetting. It's an upsetting thing that they just couldn't adapt.

And, you know, who knows? Maybe Netflix is next. Maybe I got in right as the ship was sinking. You probably, exactly. Maybe it already sank. It could have. It's over. Maybe by the time, yes, you're right. How about the roasting on Comedy Central? That was like their big thing. Were you ever, you never roasted? I wanted to do it. No, I never really did it. How come? You never got the chance? I don't think I was a big enough name. I think they were going with like big names. They had some not so big names. But they usually had like a connection to the,

person getting roasted yeah maybe yeah you're right that was i love that part though that's it that's the only thing they had that's really like really great now yeah roasts are fun they're really good it's old it's like old that's like the oldest form of con it's like old the oldest but it works and it's super funny it is weird when it's like man the jokes have gotten so mean it's like they used to just be like surface jokes where it's like this person looks like this and then after a certain point they're like this guy got molested in seventh grade and you're just like jesus christ

- Jesus Christ. - And they're like so, like they're like so cringe worthy some of the jokes. Like terrible, terrible. But Nikki Glaser who I love, are you front? - Yeah. - Yeah. She was like, she was on all the time. Like she was like a main-- - She crushed it on me. - Crushed, she was so good. - Well she's good at those, like she has short jokes. She's good at those types of jokes. - She's very good at that. She's doing really, really well actually now too. With like her F-boy special and like all these other big specials. Then how did you do, like you did like America's Got Talent.

Is that the one you did? Yeah. Last Comic Standing. Did you do that one too? Yeah. Both terrible experiences. Both? Of course. Reality TV. I know. Put a fucking gun in my mouth. Well, why did you do it? Because I was desperate to get fans and desperate to sell tickets on the road and stop playing the papered rooms of people that didn't care who the hell I was. And it was hard to work on jokes when they just don't give a shit about the show. Right. They're there because there's nothing to do in Syracuse. Not because I'm funny. Well, yeah. Unfortunately. You know?

Yeah, I did all those. I mean, I remember America's Got Talent. It was like, I mean, God bless Howie Mandel. He's a sweet guy. And I do feel like Mel B was kind of flirting with me a little bit. Probably. Probably not. But I thought she was. Maybe. We'll say she was. Yeah. But I remember like, they fuck with you. It's like 5,000 seater in the Palisades. You know, you fly out here.

you carefully go over this set i i saw them tear to shreds two uh jewish rappers before me and by they i mean simon and i was like oh my god this is though he's being so mean i thought they were kind of interesting you know so i was it was pretty rough and then uh

So I'm like, how do I endear myself to the crowd? So Simon's like, I don't know what they're going to ask me. He's like, tell me about your worst gig. And I'm like, all right, maybe I'll create a little underdog scenario where they want to like me. And I told a story, a true story. A guy just walked up to me and spit on me on stage. And he's like, well, I hope you do better than that tonight. And I was like, me too. And I killed. I had a great set. It's hilarious in the edit.

I do a fart joke and it crushes. It just crushes. And for some reason in the edit, the way they packaged it for the show, it's me doing this fart joke, cut to all four judges giving me a standing ovation. So it looked like that's the joke that did it. But really, I did like four minutes or so of just bang, bang, bang, hard jokes. Standing ovation.

I get off and they're like, we don't know if you made the cut. And I'm like, well, they all just said I did. Are you serious? It's a terrible experience. And then, um, everyone says that. Yeah. And then, uh, yeah. And then they're like, Simon's in a bad mood. I'm like, cool. Me too. Uh, been here 11 hours. One of us is leaving in a private jet. So who do you think's in a worse mood? And then, uh, yeah. And then I go back and it's like, you get the hotel, they put us up and had construction. So I got no sleep. And I was like, I feel like it was on purpose. They want you irritable. And, uh,

yeah and i they try to get you to talk other guests i'm like i'm not doing that you know i gave them nothing i was like i don't want to give them any i um so they can cut and be me being like like to someone's life you know and you also feel bad for these dance troops there who are like

Literally, they're stretching. They're warming up. I can go on stage drunk. These people, this is a real thing they have to do. They have to stay ready. I'm just like, yeah, whatever. Whenever you need me. Exactly. But I remember going on, call time's like 10 a.m. I go on stage at midnight. And they're like...

man, your material made me like kind of tired. And I was like, yeah, I wonder if it's because it's midnight. I wonder if that played a role in it. I did well in the second round, but they didn't move me. I remember George Lopez was like a guest judge in my head. I'm like, he's a comic. He's a fucking, he's going to love me. He's a comic. He'll support, he'll get it. And then he had like one golden ticket and he gave it to like a Latino dance troupe. I'm like, he's more Latin than a comic. Yeah.

Damn it. George. So he didn't support you after all that. No, I mean, he was nice. He was very nice. And Howie Mandel, I saw like-

I saw him at Montreal like a few months later and he was like, dude, you got to roll a deal. You're really funny. He was really nice to me. And I was like, thanks. I was like, dude, I watched Bobby's world as a kid. Come on. That's really, I love it. Howie's a nice guy. He's nice. And he's also funny. He's got, he's so quick. He's quick. Yeah. He's like a very neurotic. Very neurotic. And he's super quick though. Like he's got great one-liners that he could just think of so fast. Yeah. So then that was in what year did you do that? I don't remember. It was years ago.

It was not a good experience. It was a very desperate move on my part. And I remember a lot of friends were like, ugh, you're doing that. I'm like, hey, man, it was not good. I still got fans out of it, weirdly. You did. Well, I mean, at the time, it had like 10 million viewers. So you have one five-minute segment on there. You get a shitload of messages and like –

Hey, I just need to keep the momentum going. I just need to keep getting people so I can sell tickets on the road so that I can keep writing material. You know, it's very hard to write when it's not your people because they don't listen and they don't really. So, so that was the goals. Like I get enough people that I can just keep doing what I like and churning out.

hours of material. Also, that's how, also though, isn't that how you'd get material? Like that experience. You could probably have like a million jokes within that like, Sure. experience. Yeah, yeah, I think you could probably get some. Like how many, like how else do you get your material? Yeah, you gotta live life. You gotta do stuff. You gotta, you know. Because you can't get it from just sitting at home all day.

Well, can you? Yeah, you can if you're in your head enough. But then you have a lot of like a lot of those jokes are just like read an article and I might read something stupid and then I have to make it. My friend said this to me the other day. I'm like, no, that was an article I read. I have no life.

So you have to go up there. So you got to do stuff. And you could write jokes with friends. Sometimes you just are like talking, you kind of say something like, oh, that's a bit, that's something I could play with that. A lot of it's like taking notes. And then you don't really like just come up with material to computers. A lot of like taking notes throughout the day. And then you sit in front of a computer. I'm like, I should go this way with that. Or I should go this way with it. You know? No, give me an example. Give me the day in the life of what you would do. That's what I want to know. Like an example of a joke. Let me look at my, I don't even know my phone. Yeah. Where is your phone?

Yeah, I want to know how you go about the... Like, what's your process? Not to sound like that, but, you know. My process. Let me see what I got. Or like a day in the life of you, besides... A day in the life. Let me see my jokes here. I'm working on... I was working on like a... Here we go from yesterday. Let me see. Yeah, like something will happen and I'm... Let me see. I had one the other night where I was like... I just read this. Like, you just keep adding lines. It was like, I saw one like how...

Someone was telling me he was like after the Trump raid and they were like Trump's a malignant narcissist and all that. What do you mean? He goes only likes people that like him and I was like, well, it sounds a lot like me, you know, it sounds a lot like most people I know. I was like most of my friends are like, is he a good guy? I'm like, well, he likes me. I don't know. I mean, you know, I was like kind of like, you know, if Putin tweeted, you guys got to watch the new Sam Rowe comedy special, part of me would be like, yeah, you know, leading is complicated. He's a complicated guy.

You know what I mean? It's like, so that was like an idea. I'm like, let me just add one line. Let's add another line. You just keep adding lines. You're like, where would I go? So it was like, that's not like a great joke or anything, but that's like a, that's like a observation that you have during the day. You just keep adding a line. A lot of it's just living in my head. Like, can I come up with another line? Can I come up with another, is there anything else I'm looking at? Like, uh, see what else I got here. Um, Hmm. Let's see. Sometimes it will be like a dating thing or like, uh,

Oh, this was just a thought I had. Like when a woman likes me, I'm turned off. That's what I wrote down. I was like, I just noticed that a woman was nice to me and I was turned off. So I was like, oh, this beautiful woman messaged me. You have a wonderful smile. And I was like, this chick is corny. Really? Yeah, that was my gut reaction. Isn't that sad? Why is that? I don't know. That's like a deeper psychological stuff. I don't know. Probably because I'm just like, I mean, it probably goes to like the old Groucho Marx. I was going to say Groucho Marx thing, yeah. Where it's like you're only...

you want to be a member of a club that won't have you. I mean, that's really, it goes probably to that point, I would guess. That's interesting that you actually, that was your first gut reaction. So it's like, I was going to say, like you're on tour, you must get tons of girls constantly hitting on you. Not really, no. It's like, I get a lot of dudes who are like, I want to be a comedian. Really? That's more what I get. You don't get girls? Like you're a young guy? Sometimes, sometimes. But do you get that, do you have that same type of like? It's a lot of young guys.

I think sometimes it'll happen, but not like, you know, sometimes. But you're turned off because if they like you, you're not like really turned off. Well, sometimes, you know, but I think it's like that. You have to fight through some instincts that are unhealthy. I mean, that's what I...

deal with in therapy is you try to break patterns that are not necessarily good for you so are you in therapy right now i'm in therapy see i feel like all comedians are like work is that like where you also work out your was it you or i think was it this is what i heard on your yeah no that was me the letterman thing i said that he said yeah the joke i think i said to letterman was like he's like you saw you see a therapist at a lot of comics and i was like yeah and you know sometimes you're in the waiting room and you hear you hear a big laugh and you're like fuck i gotta bring it again this week

I have a lot of therapy jokes. A lot. Yeah. But a lot of comics I feel have a lot of therapy jokes. Well, yeah. I mean, it's funny. It's almost like the toxic comic was a big thing for a while, as you say. But now there's like that self-betterment type comedian who's like working on themselves. Yeah, yeah. So you don't have to be. I mean, look, there's still toxic messes going on.

you know, people out there, but it's different than it was for sure. So who would you say are the other up and coming people that you think are like really, really good? My friends are so funny. The people I said before, like my friends are so good. I mean, Joe List special is so good. Right. He has two on YouTube that are like just killer. I think one's called This Year's Material and the other one's called I Hate Myself. Any of my...

You see, I post about him all the time. I love Stavros. My good friend Stavros has a new special. You saw that. It's really funny, right? Stavros Halkias, that's blown up on YouTube. I mean, I'm very fortunate when I'm surrounded by really funny people who work hard. So it just makes you feel lazy if you take any time off. Right. And is there anyone you think, besides Bill Burr and Rodney Dangerfield, who else do you think is really funny?

Well, Dave Attell was like such a big influence. I mean, he was so helpful to me when I was a young comic and he's still like such a good, I just love him. Like he's just the funniest. So I think, I still think Skanks for the Memories is the best comedy album of all time. I think nothing will ever touch that one. Really? It's too funny. I mean, he's such an amazing comedian. He's got one of my favorite jokes of all time where he's like, you remember when you're young and you think your dad is Superman and then you grow up and you realize he's just a drunk who wears a cape? Yeah.

That was him who did that joke? Yeah. Oh, that is a good joke, actually. Oh, he's classic. Yeah, he's the best. So what is your new special? Tell people what the special is on Netflix. It's called Same Time Tomorrow. It's on Netflix right now. I hope you like it. It's a lot of road sets. It's a lot of editing. I cut a lot of stuff out to make it just very tight because I just want it to be a tight special. But yeah.

Yeah, I think you'll like it if you like jokes and, you know. Do you like to laugh? Do you guys like jokes? I hate when people are like, I like to laugh. I'm like, everyone likes to laugh. Yeah, who doesn't like to laugh? I feel like Hitler liked to laugh. Everybody liked to laugh. He just laughed at probably fucked up shit. Really fucked up shit. You don't do a lot of Jewish jokes, I do. I do. Not really. I got some fucking Holocaust jokes in this one that are bangers, yeah. You did. Well, I told you I did it. I said a joke about a, I don't know, you're-

I don't know. I used to do a joke. I'm like, I'm a Jew. I'm a New York Jew. I'm like, I'm the type of Jew that if you, I'm in therapy, I complain a lot. I'm the type of Jew that if you don't like Jewish people, I'm not the one that's going to turn things around for you. Okay.

That's a good one. That's a quick one. I did a lot of like, I did, I did, and even the Letterman one, I did a Jew joke. You did? I don't remember. The hate group one. I have amnesia. What was it again? I don't remember. I was like, you want to join my hate group? And this guy asked me to join his hate group. And I was like, who do you hate? He goes, blacks, Jews, everyone. I was like, I am Jewish. He's not even doing background checks. Oh yeah, I did hear. I remember that's a good one. Yeah. That bothered me more than the recruiting. Like, you know, maybe you want to join the hate group. I'm walking around, I'm holding a torch. I'm like, dude, you know what this flame reminds me of? Hanukkah. Yeah.

I do remember that. That's totally true. I do remember that. I forgot about that. That's actually why I liked you so much. Oh, thanks. Because I heard that joke. See? And your grandfather was a CEO of like Lomond, which I wrote. That's what I wrote to you. Self-made orphan. Never graduated high school. Amazing guy. He was the coolest. He was really funny. He was funny too? Very funny guy. And very...

I mean, that's probably why I liked Rodney so much is because he had some of those Rodney, like, one-liner tendencies. Like, he was, like, very quick. But, yeah, he was the coolest. I wish he was alive. He was great. Did anyone else in your family funny? My brother's dry. He's very funny in, like, a dry way. He's, like, he's...

He's good at like a, you know, and my sister is like a good like bullshit meter kind of like they're all funny in like different ways kind of, you know. Right. And not like super serious. Yeah. And my mom has a great sense of humor. You know, I can like run bits by her, you know. Oh, you can? That's great. I can like be like, hey, is this funny, mom? And she'll tell me.

Really? Yeah, yeah. Did your family live in New York still? Yeah, they are. And do they come see you all the time when you perform there? Ever since COVID, not really ever. But I did a show at the Beacon Theater in New York, and they came to that one because that was like a big milestone in New York. I think they wanted to be there. But my therapist sat right behind them. Really? Yeah.

Is there anything more therapy in New York than like literally like my therapist sitting behind my mother? That is really unbelievable. You cannot get more on the nose. Than that. Yeah. What female comic do you like? What's your favorite? So many good ones. Just name me a couple. Rachel Feinstein's like, she makes me laugh so hard. Oh, right. Because she's your good friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyone else that's like really Taylor's great. You know, I mean, I wasn't going to bring that up. Well, you've kind of set me up for it. I did not set you up for it. I was like not thinking about her actually. When I said that, I didn't even think about it. Dina Hashem opens for me on the road a lot. She's killer. Uh,

I'm actually only asking because I want to, I'm looking for like a new person. You're the one who hates women. I mean, sure. I don't, that's not what, I don't find a lot of women hilarious. I feel, I felt, I thought like Ellen DeGeneres was really funny. Yeah. Unless you worked for her. Yeah. Well, I didn't think so. That's why I think she's funny. That's why I think she's funny. I think Taylor is funny. Yeah. I like Eliza. I like Nikki.

I don't know. Who else is there? I'm asking you to give me some... Give me some... Like, you want like a Netflix thing? I'm trying to think. No, just in general to go look and watch. Caitlin Palufo is really funny. Jessica Curson. There's so many funny... Marina Franklin. You know? I mean, look them up, folks. Come on.

I know. I'm going to look them up now. I watch some of these people on Netflix. Erin Jackson's really funny. Okay, look them up. If they don't get you in the first five, ten minutes, then to your point, I just turn it off and I never look at them again. The first five, ten minutes. Well, I like women. Let the record state that I think women are cool. Yeah. I just wish other people did too. You're funny. Is there anything else that I can ask you? What kind of food do you like? I don't know. I'm so easy with food. I'm like, I'll eat.

I'll eat anything. I'm like, I mean, like my, I like, I love like death row shit. Like we're talking about bagels, locks, cream cheese, capers, whole shebang. I love that. I love, you know, I love a good steak. I love a good sushi. She's great. Mexican. I was just joking about that. Actually. I want to know what you do every day, what your daily routine is. I know that you drink a ton at night. That's why you like chugged about a hundred of those BLKs, but yeah,

Um, I want to know what time do you wake up? If you're working at night constantly, are you like, well, it's very hard. I get wired. I, you know, I, I sometimes like, it really depends what I'm doing. Like if I read, I'll fall asleep earlier. Do you read a lot? I try to. Yeah. But when you read, I'm just, I'm reading a book now called American tabloid by James Elroy that my friend Dana told me to read. And it's really good. Uh, uh, and then, but last night I was watching a podcast.

like a Netflix show. And I was up to, it's one of those addictive shows. Which ones? It's called Untold, the Manti Te'au story. Have you heard of that? No. Oh, it's heartbreaking. It's a catfish. He was a huge, um,

college phenom and it was a story of the guy who had like the made-up dead girlfriend from years ago you remember that was like 10 years ago yeah i do remember that and he really i mean it really opens your eyes to how dirty he was done by the media the media is just so evil to young people i mean uh heartbreaking an incredible talent and like i i gotta i this person catfished him and let's like

It's really a disgusting thing to do. I mean, I'm not like breaking news here, but like, holy shit, that's a really horrible thing to fuck with someone like that. And I don't really feel like there was a ton of remorse on that person's end. I'm like, man, and Manti Teo forgave this person who really caused him hell. I mean, in many ways, ruined his professional. I mean, to break the odds and make it to the NFL and then have someone really fuck your life up and cost you millions of dollars. That's.

terrible I never remember it that well yeah I kind of do but not really so that's what you watched last night yeah and I watched the first one I was like all right I guess I gotta watch the second I can't wait and then that's a problem with those things that's why you can't start watching those things at night yeah well that's how they owe every episode ends with like actually the murderer was his mom all right fine I'll watch it

Actually, the murderer was a piece of cake. Is it cake? A new Netflix show. Is it a murderer or is it a big woman who's just a cake? What else are you watching? Give me another. What do I watch? I'm so basic. I, you know, like rewatch Mad Men a million times. I love Mad Men so much. I love Sopranos. I watch old shit. But then if I'm watching something new, what do I like? Um,

I was watching Only Murders in the Building because I just, Martin Short just makes me laugh so hard. Like that guy is just. Oh, so you like, okay, so you like him. Martin Short is like, oh my God, he's funny. I love him. What else have I watched?

um shows i'm trying to think what like i don't know what's a new show that's big what's a new show i've no oh i watched the bear on hulu that was which one the bear about the the show in chicago that was really good yeah okay i'm gonna write that one down really good what i've heard it's amazing i gotta watch it see this is see this is what happens you're like the fifth and now we'll watch it you need to hit five people you think it's five not four i don't know what's it called

It's Nathan Fielder. I haven't seen it. I heard it's great. And what's the one that you said? The bear? Yeah. I liked it a lot. Have you seen that? It's really good. Oh, the bear. You have an accent. That's very, very thick. So I can't. Okay. Yeah. Part of it, like his voice too. Don't you think with comedians that like, it's a lot of it's how like their, their tonation, like their intonation, like the way you speak is,

is kind of what makes you memorable. Like it's very like... Delivery. Yeah, it's your delivery. Exactly. Sure. You've got a very good delivery. Thank you. Yeah, that's what it is. Delivery, your jokes, your sage presence, basically the whole thing. Yeah, you got to work on everything. No, I'm telling you, I'm so glad that you came on today because... It was fun. I feel like in a year, I'm not joking, you're going to be huge.

You're going to be just huge or, you know, cause I feel like it's bubbling around you. I'm telling you now, like I got that letter about you today. How strange. Yeah. You don't think that's so weird. Just fucking. No, I just find it interesting. I think you're going to, I think that this is like your, although did they say in 2011, I did read this on your wiki page that you're going to be the comedy comedian to watch. Yeah.

In 2013 or 2011. Keep watching. Yeah. I was going to say, how long do we have to watch you? I mean, it's so humiliating. When they were like a rising star and they're like in 2011, you're like, well, I guess I didn't rise quite yet. I don't know. Like an unleavened bread, like a matzah, basically. Yeah. I mean, it's,

it's it takes a while you know but it's also like i've had fun for the last like many years and you're actually like you have a good career which is amazing it's great i'm very fortunate like you actually make money which is i know it's crazy you're not sleeping on people's couches no they still offer which is a little unsoulful i'm like i can pay for a hotel come sleep my couch i'm like you think i want to sleep on your fucking couch right it's gonna actually stay do you want to hear you fuck your wife while i'm on your couch i'm gonna book a hotel don't they pay for it

though, the people you stay, like if you're here doing a show, don't they kind of, don't they kind of pay for your hotel? Uh, sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes. Oh, well, do you want to stay in my spare room? Because I thought I thought it was, can I listen to you fuck your husband? Yeah, maybe it's on, it's on the couch. It's going to be in your own room. So you have a place to go. Okay. Maybe I'll take it up on you. You could play basketball. I do like the basketball thing.

Swim some laps. I like swimming. Oh, we have this thing in the pool that's like a resistant thing. I saw that. It looks awesome. It's really good for like for working out. You can do the treadmill. You'll get me healthy. I definitely can. You can do the treadmill. Then you can do that swim. Then you can go in the sauna. You have a sauna? Yeah.

Red light one. This is good living. No, this is like, it's kind of known to, this is like a wellness facility. Yeah. You haven't seen the red light. It is like a rehab. Are you just going to kidnap me and try to turn my life around? It's like sober living, basically. Yeah. Basically, it's a rehab or a sober living. Well, I think I'm done with you. I think that I've kind of asked you. You sound like my ex. Yeah. Sorry.

You can stay as long as you want. You can play more basketball. I might take a couple jump shots. You can stay as long as you want. You can have dinner with my family. I got to go. I got to do a show. I know. What time is your show at? It's 4.50. I know, but I want to get

get a jog in because I need to sweat this out. Do you want to go on the treadmill? Do you have sweatpants? No, I don't. Do you have a pair of shorts? I have, and I'm in Pumas. I can't run on these. You really can't. Although I have shoes that fit you. Really? Not, not mine, but I have a ton. Your husband? Well, people send me stuff all the time. I have, what size are you? 13. You're a size 13? Yeah. Jesus. And how tall are you? 6'3". Really? Do you have a girlfriend now? I don't.

Do you want one? No. Are you sure? I hate being set up. Well, why? Because I don't... Again, it's not them saying you have a nice smile. It's me saying that you have a nice smile. So therefore, you don't have to hate them just yet. The setup is always...

It's a lot of pressure. What's the pressure? You go, you don't like them, you just move on. Are you on Tinder? Are you on Raya? What are you doing? I don't want to talk about it. I want to know. These are the things I actually want to know. Well, I'll tell you off camera. Okay. Well, that means, that means, okay. I'm on Grindr. You're on Grindr? Yeah. No, you're not.

I'm not, but maybe you will be after this podcast. If a girl tells you has a nice smile, it's like, dude, tell me I have a nice smile. I'm like, and if, and if a girl does, you don't like it either girl or guy. Yeah. So you don't want me to set you up with anybody. I'm good.

All right. To each his own. Okay. Well, I appreciate you coming all this way. I know it was very nice of you. I know you had another show when God knows in a very different direction. We had fun. It was a good talk. I hope the good people at Entrepreneur Magazine are happy with it. It's a good show.

If they will be, why wouldn't they be? I don't know. You were very, you were, you know, maybe a couple of the words here and there may have to be. Are they going to upset them? Well, it's really, this is my podcast. They're a partner of mine and they'll be fine. They're, they're totally cool.

um yeah with this sorry for the potty language don't worry and people please okay this is now me saying this if you don't know who sam is or you haven't heard his bits first of all check out his netflix special it is i'm i'm sure i haven't watched that one you're about to say it's amazing you almost lied i know i was gonna say i haven't watched that one yet because it's brand brand new yeah but i have seen him do tons of bits even on his social media on his uh

Instagram. He is so funny. Thank you. People, when I told them that I was, you know, harassing you, they even knew who you were. Oh, cool. They think you're hilarious. And, um, yeah, cause you are, um,

that's why so there you go thank you he's my favorite newest comedian just letting you know it's been a long time it's been well for me because i knew you knew to be like i love sebastian for a very long time and then i kind of you know you kind of like you kind of move through people after you see i love jim gaffigan too i love him i think he's amazing if you know him i do yeah can you get him on my podcast probably not

How well do you know him? Well, but like, you know, it's a big ask. What do you mean a big ask? He's a big ask. What do you mean? Can you ask Bill Burr? No. I have favors I have to ask these people for. Oh, fine. I'll find them myself. It's a headache to get them on my podcast. They won't even go on your podcast? No, they've both been on, but it's a big ask. It is? Yeah. How long did it take you to get Jim Gaffigan?

I don't remember. It was like, he was promoting a special. You want to get these people when they're promoting something. Of course. It's always, I got you even because of that, right? I know. But I'm like, you just got me. You're not going to get Jim or Bert. Maybe you'll get them. What do you mean? First of all, did you see the list of people? It's very impressive, but they're tough to get. I'm just saying. I'm going to try. I think you could. And I'm going to prove you wrong. I hope you do. Okay, good. I'm rooting for you. I just can't pull that ass.

I'm just kidding. Okay, check out Sam Morrell. Go on his Instagram. What is your handle? Sam Morrell dot at Sam Morrell? It's sammorrell.com on Instagram. It's my name, Sam Morrell, M-O-R-R-I-L. He's amazing. You will not be sorry. Watch the Netflix special. You won't be sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

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