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There's no place to escape to. This is the last hot ass. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? No playback stuff in this one? Nah, I lost my want to go through Throwing Copper. Not track by track. You don't want to listen to all of live? All of, like, I'll listen to Throwing Copper, I'll listen to Secret Samadhi. I, you know.
you are talking mess on Secret Samadhi. But I do, unfortunately, when you talked about how it's unfortunate, Eddie, about how sometimes you recognize qualities in yourself in some of these stories. Yeah. And...
I love live. I love live, but I've always said it is school shooter music. It is for school shooters. It is for rage-filled men that hair can only grow in a three-inch circle on the top of their head, and they all kind of look like a party favorite. And we're going to get into why the fuck we're talking about live here on today's episode of Last Podcast on the Left. Are we finally going to find out where dolphins go to die? No.
My name's Marcus Parks. I'm here with Henry Zebrowski, live super fan Henry Zebrowski. Yeah! Yeah! He's poor man's Maynard. Ha! You don't think so? We're going to get a lot of angry emails from Tool fans on that one. But poor man's Maynard. Even so. The guy from Live. Yeah, I know. Ed? I'm on the show.
Am I not wrong? Yeah, you're wrong. You think that that, you don't think, it doesn't remind you Maynard? No, not at all. No. It'd be like a music that you could do, fucking, what's it's called? You could do figure eights and your pick up true. Donuts, it's called donuts. Yeah, but you could do it in a 7-Eleven or something. And you're just going around and around and around. I don't love you.
Hello. I'm coming back, Teresa. And, of course, Ed Larson. How you doing? I don't like either of those bands. Both Rob and Tool are featured on the soundtrack to somebody who's showing up in front of an ex's home demanding to be heard out. Well, Live is on the girlfriend soundtrack. Tool's on the boyfriend soundtrack.
So when we last left John Bunting and the rest of the morons involved in the Snowtown murders, they just killed Robert Wagner's former girlfriend, Vanessa Lane, one of the gang's two trans victims.
In Vanessa's murder, they had been assisted by Lane's latest young boyfriend, a paranoid schizophrenic named Thomas Trevillian. Trevillian had been convinced by Bunting and Wagner, the two main villains in this story, that killing Vanessa Lane was the right thing to do because Vanessa was, admittedly, a predator. So up to this point, to catch you guys up and to remind you, Bunting and Wagner are two pieces of shit morons that, like, they have...
mobilized a group of other fellow morons to help them and their two-man vendetta against people they don't like inside of their small town. And at first it sounded like, oh, he's got these kind of a... He has a...
Messiah-like complex. Savior complex, I'd say, is more like. He's the missionary killer. The whole point is that he's doing this for a purpose. And also, Adelaide has over a million people in it. It does, yes. I know now, but now I understand. Adelaide's a big city. I understand Snowtown, too, is just a suburb. Yeah. Like, you know, it's technically kind of cute, and most of the stuff didn't happen there. But, you know, branding's not happening, guys. The rebranding is not happening. Yeah, it's done. It's over. Unfortunately.
But he's immediately going to jump off his M.O. Yeah, he is. Thomas Trevelyan was 18 by the time the 42-year-old Vanessa had got a hold of him. But he'd been diagnosed as schizophrenic at the age of 14. So he was, in all respects, a vulnerable member of society. He was extremely vulnerable.
For whatever reason, the delusion that Thomas had latched onto was that he was in the army, and he would stalk the streets like a soldier on a spy mission, dressed in clothes bought from the army surplus. Oh, you call that a knife? That's a knife! Spoon. Oh, no! Oh, no!
Knife! I see you've played Knifey Spoonie before. But while that may sound harmless, Trevelyan was usually armed with a carving knife. And while he was playing army, he'd often hide in bushes and jump out with his knife at the ready when he heard a noise. Ah, you gotcha there! Sorry! Bit me scared! Also, this is having fun. It's a bit of a life. Someone needs to clean up this bush as well. It's bush all for a day!
Thomas was alright if he was on his medication. But by the time he met Vanessa Lane, he was wearing a literal aluminum foil hat to protect his brain from satellites. So suffice to say, he wasn't taking care of himself. It's called baked potato couture. It's cute. It's fun.
Now, after the murder of Vanessa Lane, Thomas moved in with Robert Wagner, who by this point was shacking up with a woman named Maxine. Now, things went all right for a bit. But in November of 1997, Trevelyan threatened to kill a puppy with his carving knife in front of Maxine's daughter. Now, Trevelyan did have schizophrenia. Yeah. So you very could have thought of the puppy as some sort of like creature, right? That was coming at him all time gone. Oh, oh, oh.
Imagine if you looked at a little puppy, but you thought it was a little man, and he was making a lot of weird noises and shit, and fucking burrowing your other dog's belly like looking for milk. You'd be mad at that little man, right? Then you'd be like, how much calories does he mean if he tries to suck him over, dog? And then it turns out, but then you vote.
You're not an army. I mean, one of the things that I'm kind of getting the sense of here is that the vast majority of the people in this story are very aggressive. It's Australian. But what's funny about that, though, is that this is Adelaide, and Adelaide prides themselves on being the only city in Australia that wasn't settled by convicts.
They call themselves the free city, the city of churches, because they were settled by Christians and such. Oh, so they grow their convicts there. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Homegrown. That's what you get when you grow a convict in Australia. Yeah. Well, thanks to Trevelyan for that. Well, after the puppy incident, Bunting and Wagner offered to take Trevelyan on, quote, a nice drive in the country, and he was never seen alive again.
Now, in this murder, Bunting didn't kill in service of his mission to rid Adelaide of its pedophiles, nor was the murder a matter of principle. Like with Suzanne Allen, Trevelyan was an inconvenience, and Bunting and Wagner had come to rely on murder as their first choice for solving any problem. And so, on November 5th, Bunting and Wagner drove Trevelyan out to a rural area and convinced him to slip a rope around his neck, stand on a crate,
and jump off, hanging himself. And you think that was all done with words? I think it might have been. I think they, yeah, I mean, because that's the thing is how do you get, I guess you threaten somebody. It's either you do it or we do it. Either you do it or we do it, yeah. Yeah, they like waved a beef patty in front of him, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
I imagine they physically forced him to do it. They probably put it around his neck and said, you could do it or we could do it. Or they just did it and it made it look like a suicide. Or the dog ordered the hit. Never allow a dog to understand the hierarchy of the home. Because as soon as they know, because the laws of power. You've got to attack the shepherd, scatter the sheep.
Well, the body was then left there to be discovered. But since Trevelyan had made a few suicide attempts already, his death wasn't investigated at all. Authorities also deduced that since Trevelyan had almost $7 in his pockets, this was not a robbery. No, I'm not.
Yeah. Was it? Yeah. Is that a robbery? Yeah. Nah, he's got $7 in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would have taken that. Yeah, that's Salisbury rich right there. Yeah, right there. That's like nine speeding tickets in Salisbury.
But we do know that Bunting and Wagner orchestrated Trevelyan's death because every time they drove past the spot where Trevelyan was hanged, they made sure to point out to fellow accomplice Jamie Vlasakis that this was the spot where they hanged Trevelyan. I wonder if that has the same lasting power as there's construction being done around where my house is and there's a sign that says loose gravel here.
And every single time I walk past with Natalie, when we walk the dogs to go, Oh, loose gravel. That's my burlesque name. Yeah.
And she stopped laughing. She stopped laughing. She just doesn't seem to understand that that's a funny bit. The more you say it, the funnier it gets. The sign has to go. Yeah. It's not me. It's the sign. You can't also just say gravel. You know, all gravel's loose. Yeah, sure. Yeah, on loose gravel is rocks. Tight gravel actually is a better burlesque name.
Now, prior to his death, and unbeknownst to Wagner and Bunting, Trevelyan had confessed to the murder of Vanessa Lane to his cousin Lenore, detailing every step of the murder from the killing itself to the disposal of the body, as well as how they were all using Vanessa's social security pin to cash her welfare checks. I think that had a lot to do with it. I think that he was a weirdo and he was an inconvenience. He was a weirdo to them and he was an inconvenience. And now, like...
the main, it's the vibe has changed. Yeah. Is that we are now seeing them transition. We were talking in last episode about how John Bunting and Robert Wagner were eventually kind of like, they were gaining the trust of all of these people. Like people were starting to kind of like come to them with issues, quote unquote. Yeah. But that's kind of like,
that gave them the first taste of power. And then it became, I got to go kill. Yeah. Like immediately they were like, Oh, we're not, we, they kind of jump past the sheriff part. A lot of times when you're a sheriff before you misuse that power, like you got like, I would say maybe a six weeks of like,
opening up a Walgreens or like being on a highway with the shovel, being like, look what we're doing. You don't have a fun thing. And it's not until six months later that you like kill a little boy in a chokehold. Now Trevelyan's cousin didn't believe him at the time, but after he showed up dead, she went to the police and told them what Trevelyan told her, but she was dismissed and told that Vanessa Lane had moved to Queensland because that's what she had said.
The police were operating off this premise because while Bunting and Wagner were torturing Vanessa under Trevelyan supervision, they had forced Vanessa to call her mother and tell her that she was moving to Queensland with a new boyfriend and wouldn't ever be coming back. That was good enough for the cops. At least at that time. Yes. And it's not a fun process by which they were coached. So basically they were...
They were all murdered in the BTK fashion for the most part. And we'll get a lot more into the actual, you know, nuts and bolts of it here. Yeah. But they slow. It was like a slow choke and then a release, choke and release. And so what they would do is they would choke them, sadly, and then unrelease, have them say a line into a voice recorder, choke them again.
have them say a line into a voice recorder, then they would take that and they would edit it together. And they didn't realize that until way after all the crimes, until way into the middle of the investigation. Well, this seemingly idiotic ruse worked. And I don't know if this speaks to the intelligence of the people of Salisbury North or to their transient and mercurial nature, but family members and friends of victims would accept these pre-recorded messages as real communications about
again and again. I think it's because the people they choose were already of a transient nature. And in the very beginning, they were people that, quote unquote, people wouldn't miss. Yeah. And also a lot of these people, like you were saying, they don't miss them. They're kind of maybe happy that they move. Yeah. Everybody's kind of saying right now, that's also probably why the cops aren't digging in too hard. Yeah. Because they're looking around the neighborhood and like, hey, this looks wrapped up. Let's
Go back home. You remember that super aggressive pervert? He's not here anymore. Ah, shit. That was the entire thing. That was the entire thing. Concerning people talking about the murders, Bunting wasn't being especially discreet himself. As I mentioned last episode, Bunting was talkative to the point where everyone knew his opinions about everything.
everything. He hated soccer. He hated TV, especially soap operas and dramas. Hated all of it. Hated almost everything. But one show he did enjoy was Australia's Most Wanted.
One night in July of 1998, Bunting and his girlfriend Elizabeth, who was, if you'll remember, Jamie Vlasakis' mother, they were watching an episode when a segment aired about an unidentified skeleton that was found in the Adelaide area. Unbeknownst to the authorities, this was the skeleton of Clinton Trezise, Bunting's first victim.
And since Bunting had already told Elizabeth Harvey about other murders, he added this one to the pile, turning to her and saying, quote, That's my handiwork.
Which is terrible. It's terrifying. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah, it's not. It's the equivalent when I see like one of my friends at a commercial. I'm going, it's my buddy. Yeah. That's the level of gravity I'd be like, yeah, I know the guy. Oh, yeah. Jason's doing real well for himself these days. I don't know. Like, oh, yeah, look at that. It's literally like, hey, look at it. Make the nose. She was not. She would end up being an accessory. Yeah.
Now, aside from crime shows, Bunting was also a big Stephen King fan, choosing the 1998 book Bag of Bones, which thankfully has nothing to do with pedophilia as his favorite. This is one of those where you're such a fucking contrarian.
You must choose one of his middling modern books. I've never even fucking heard of it. I dislike Bag of Bones. It's a good summer read. It's Stephen King, but it's nowhere near his best. No. His best is The Shining. The Shining, yeah. The Shining. Or the Carrie. I love Carrie. I love- Christine. Hearts of Atlantis is better. Is that true? Have you read Hearts of Atlantis? I don't read. Yeah, I know you don't. I don't read.
Even the stand. The stand is incredible. I feel like it's him being like, I like the new damn one. It's because nobody else likes it. Nobody else likes me. Bunting also obsessively watched The Silence of the Lambs to quote-unquote study Hannibal Lecter's mannerisms. I always like to smell perfumes. I'd meet a woman, fast and ask her, I'd say, hey, what's that you're wearing? Is it...
And he read Colin Wilson's true crime books to study the habits and methods of various serial killers, seemingly focusing in on John Wayne Gacy. And this was, of course,
Highly ironic, because John Wayne Gacy is probably at the top of the list of serial killers who molested the most boys. Although Dean Corll could probably make a run for that spot as well. But besides pedophiles, John Bunting also hated women and was said to have preferred the, quote, cold, impersonal companionship of his blow-up doll. Ugh.
What do you think the chances are that he also molested children? You know what? I struggled with that question, actually. At the very least, I think that he had...
Yeah. I think that he definitely had, he wanted to. Anyone who flips out this much, like there's something else going on. Yeah. We've talked about this. Projection is the word. Projection. And I get some, it's hard because I got a little bit of criticism when we were doing the Anders Breivik series talking about how does his massive homophobic streak, does that belie, it's like a classic trope now.
that if you hate gay people, you obviously, there's something in there. Like, if you're violently against one specific thing, a lot of times it looks like, oh, I'm very much so into this thing. But it's hard because it makes, you know, people that are gay mad. Because you're like, don't put them on our team. Just because she's a fucking shithead. You know what I mean? Like, why are you doing this? And so, I don't know. Again, I'm not trying to rile up our pedophile listeners. But...
applying John Bunting to the pedophile community, got a lot of messages about that, about the idea of non-practicing pedophiles. Yeah, I read some. And it seems to be the jury's out on non-practicing pedophiles. And I will also say, I am also well aware that a straight man can date a trans woman. Yes, I'm well aware of that. That's a straight relationship because it's a woman. Yes, that is a straight relationship because it's a woman. Yes. Yes.
But seemingly... It's very complicated. It's all very complicated. You know how you get to prison for pedophilia? Hmm. Practice. I'm an expert, he said. Well, seemingly, the only people John Bunting cared about and was laser-focused upon was young boys. He's like the Jordan Peterson of serial killers. Hmm.
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Now by 1998, Bunting and Wagner had tasted enough blood where they were using almost anything as an excuse to murder someone. Plus, they had the added bonus of being able to use the bank cards of their victims. See, all of the people Bunting and Wagner killed were on government welfare, and those payments were automatically deposited into the victims' bank accounts. Coincidence?
I mean, it's just the way it worked. But part of me wonders whether or not that was a feature into why we're also killing. It eventually became a feature. Yeah. Because as long as a body was never found, Bunting could forge documents, alter bank details, and pose as victims if need be to make sure those payments kept coming.
In all, it's estimated that Bunting and Wagner scammed the Australian government out of tens of thousands of dollars. And man, you could really tell by their lifestyle. It's interesting, they didn't make a bunch of money, but then they didn't buy anything with it. They just kind of put it away. Shovels and barrels. Yes. And a bank. But when it comes to killing for their own reasons, outside of their mission, their next victim was neither a pedophile nor was he gay. His name was Gavin Porter, and
and he was killed simply because Bunting didn't like having him around. I view him as the reason why he was murdered was because he was gaining undue influence over Jamie Vlasakis. That's also a big possibility. See, Gavin was a heroin addict, but so was Bunting's accomplice, Jamie Vlasakis. Gavin...
Gavin and Jamie had met in a methadone program, but after they left, they moved in together and fell deep into the drug world. They dealt, delivered, and even transported sex workers, all so they could feed a $300 a day habit. But while Bunting was fine with Jamie doing heroin, or he at least accepted it, he said that he didn't like Gavin specifically because he was a user.
Most likely, I'd imagine that it was because of Lasakis kowtowed to Bunting where Gavin didn't. And he viewed Jamie Vazlakis as his little protege. Oh, very much so. It's his sub son. He was like, this guy, he's going to be just like me. He's going to I can't wait for him to grow up by shrinking down to five foot six.
Gaining some nearsightedness and losing some hair. And he's going to be just like me. But then when he got in with Gavin, I think it was the heroine for a while was like, John Bunting is one of these guys. Yeah. Why do we maybe dislike Henry Rawlings sometimes?
It's because he is a pain in the butt, straight edge man, right? In his way, where he is very demanding. His views of life. Henry Rollins? Henry Rollins is a man that views life like a 13-year-old boy. All he likes to do is impress his friends by doing pull-ups, and he listens to records for fun once a week. I believe that is a very unkind... He's fucking... That is not how... He's a hardcore dude that just believes in pull-ups.
pull-ups and his bros hanging out where they just hang out and they like I want to say he like eats like a piece of candy and he listens to one fun record that's not for work a week. The opinions of Henry Zebrowski about Henry Rollins do not reflect the opinions of Last Podcast Network. Yeah, I for one think Henry is a liar! A liar! A liar!
But John Bunting was one of those truly miserable, fuck-face, straight-edge people that viewed his actions overall as the arbiter of morality, everything that's cool. And what he's doing, people should look up to him for what he's doing. And he did have a hang-up about drugs, much like he had a hang-up about everything else. Obviously, he was an alcoholic alcoholic.
And a murderer. Yeah. Which I would say is his worst quality. Yeah. I don't want to seem like I'm on his team, but $300 a day in heroin, you know, someone's got to have a conversation with this guy. Yeah, this is the first time I've seen systematic murder and then body dismemberment as an intervention. We're doing this because we care about you.
Everybody loves you. All right, now help me burn his testicles. If he was doing like 50 bucks a day in heroin, you know, let it slide. Honestly, I even think that that's a lot. A cool $5 a day. All I need is a little... That's all. Can I have a little sliver of heroin? I just... Smaller than that.
Well, Jamie's mother, Elizabeth, liked Gavin. So he moved into the house that all of them were sharing at Murray Bridge, which I think had, if I've got this right, somewhere between five and seven people living there now. There's a lot of fucking people shoved into this house. And who says white people don't have culture? There could be a couple in the tunnels. But by April of 1998, there was one guy.
less person because that was the month that John Bunting accidentally stabbed himself with a used syringe that Gavin had left lying around the house. Now, Bunting's anger was admittedly justified. Yeah. But Bunting took it to the level you'd expect from a man who'd already killed six people. Yeah, I think he'd stub his toe and kill the bed. You know, when he grabbed the needle and stabbed himself, the other guy was like, oh.
I know. Maybe I should go. Maybe I should leave. All you have to hear is that...
In the other room and you know you're fucked. Ganging up on Gavin, Bunting and Wagner tried an ambush in Gavin's car by attempting to slip a rope around his neck. But for the first time, a victim fought back and Gavin managed to stab Bunting's hand with a screwdriver. But in the end, Gavin was dragged to the torture shed where he was strangled to death, much to Bunting's great joy and amusement.
See, Bunting loved putting his face close to his victims because he liked feeling their last breaths. And the moment in which that breath stopped was by far his favorite. This is my favorite part. No, I mean, watch. Watch. This is my favorite part. Turn the music down. I don't love you. I don't love you. In other words, Bunting was through and through a killer and nothing more. There's nothing more to this guy. I think he got hard from it. Yeah. No.
Now, a few hours after Gavin's murder, Jamie Vlasakis showed up to the house at Murray Bridge to find Bunting and Wagner casually eating Chinese food.
Jamie was then taken to the shed and shown the corpse of his friend of four years. And it was like that. It was literally, hey, you want to see something? I've got something. I think you're going to like it. Yeah. And then it's just his buddy. It's your buddy. Two days later, Bunting ordered Jamie to put his friend's corpse in a barrel and store it in a shed at Robert Wagner's house.
Perhaps because Gavin was Jamie's friend, he was the one who got Jamie's bank card and Jamie immediately accessed Gavin's welfare money to buy heroin.
Now, if you'll notice, the whole mission of killing pedophiles sort of gone off track for Bunting and Wagner. Yeah, I think we're like missing the reason for the season. But in August of 1998, the mission found its way again when Jamie Vlasakis told Bunting that his older half brother, Troy Ude, had molested him when he was a young boy. Yeah. And when I was watching the movie, I was laughing a lot.
until that scene and then i was like what kind of wrestling is this yeah you know what are you gonna do i don't know how i don't know how to respond i don't know how did you like it it was you know you know when i watched the movie you'd prep me on how horrible it was gonna be and then i saw that scene and i was just like oh yeah
It's bad. It's bad. But the movie's still good somehow. I tell you what, that must have been a long day on set. Oh, yeah. Or a very short one. Actually, I was thinking if we could, I think we got it. I want another angle. I think we got it. We got it.
And so Bunting and Wagner decided that you needed to die. And this time they'd make sure that Jamie Vlasakis was an active participant.
Late one night, Jamie was woken up by Bunting and Wagner. They handed Jamie some handcuffs and a table leg that could be used as a club. You're going to like this. It's going to be fun. And they told him to follow. Now, at this time, Troy Ude was actually living in the same house as Jamie Vlasakis, which might be why the whole molestation conversation came up in the first place. Yeah, one fight over the PlayStation.
Troy, and this is to keep things straight, he was Elizabeth's son by another man and was therefore Jamie's half-brother.
Because I think Elizabeth had, what was it, seven kids from five fathers? Something fun like that. She's a popular woman. Yeah. I think it was Elizabeth that had that count. She got that fertile. She got them fertile, thick-ass eyes. Ready to catch some sides, catch some worms. And so bunting went on.
And so Bunting, Wagner, and Jamie went into Troy Ude's bedroom in the middle of the night, and at Bunting's go-ahead, they started beating him. And after he was suitably tenderized, Bunting ordered Jamie to handcuff his half-brother, but Jamie got overwhelmed and left the room. So, Bunting and Jamie went into Troy Ude's bedroom, and at Bunting's go-ahead, they started beating him.
So it was Bunting and Wagner who forced Troy Youde into the bathroom and into the bathtub, which had become the de facto torture session location for, I'm sure, easy cleanup afterwards. Once Youde was subdued and cuffed, Bunting and Wagner told him to refer to them as Lord, Sir and God, respectively. But they wanted Youde to choose his own alias for Jamie, something that would denote superiority.
For some reason, you chose Moses. But because this was too Jewish for Wagner and Bunting... Wrong answer! ...that, remember, they were neo-Nazis. Yes, the wrong answer! They still believe in Moses! He's a...
So they settled on master for Jamie and the torture began
First, Bunting and Wagner punched Gude in the genitals over and over again, screaming at him to shut up when he made a sound. They said the same when they crushed Gude's toes with pliers. Now, since tape recording a goodbye message who works so well with Vanessa Lane, Bunting and Wagner did it again with Gude. Bunting brought out a tape recorder and made Gude say over 20 sentences like, I can't handle it at home no more. Leave me the fuck alone. Stay the fuck out of my life and such and such.
Now at that point, Jamie got overwhelmed again and left the room, but this time, Bunting brought him back and told him to stay. And after stuffing a sock in Troy's mouth and wrapping his face in duct tape, Bunting worked himself into a violent frenzy all while his favorite album played in the background.
Now, the incredible synchronicity that we experienced with this series is that on the very day that we recorded the first episode, John Bunting's favorite band played a concert in Adelaide. That band was the 90s alt-rock group Live, and Bunting would often play their debut album, Throwing Copper, while torturing his victims. It's so hard because all I can imagine is I just see...
Every guy that looks like John Bunting is either, and I'm sorry, Eddie, and I'm not coming for you. You guys do look slightly similar, but I'm not coming for you. Me and Bunting? A little bit. I thought he was a little guy. He is, but he's got the same structure. Same structure. He's wide? Yes. And I... I don't know. He looks more like the guy in the last season of 90 Day Fiance who had the guinea pigs. He does. He does. Sorry, man. I like you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Because at first you look at him and you're like, oh, he likes Wilco. And then you realize, like, no, no, no, no. He's not a draft beer. He's not an IPA sort of white. Right? He's the live white. And I think live white is just a step above Kid Rock white. Yeah. Yes. And then truly a step below. Toadie's white. Toadie's white. Yeah.
where I do think a nap would really help. I think that if he discovered Tony's, he might, it would be, well, he might shift to a new victim. I don't see anybody losing their mind alive except literally just like this. You can't hear it because it's just,
Like it's like bored standing at the back of a concert. Yeah. Slowly nodding. Yeah. Live white, kid rock white, right below that, stained white. Oh, so I mean, stained white is... Something else. That's really something else. And then above Toadie's white is Pearl Jam white. Oh, yeah. Pearl Jam white is technically of that. You can introduce Pearl Jam white to your family.
Now, the reason why Bunting loved live so much was probably due to the content of their first single, released in 1994. That song was selling the drama, which you probably know is a song that goes like, I will, I walk, I feel, I talk, I know, I know, it ain't what I want.
I didn't like live. Yeah. I like live. I mean, they're just a fine alt-rock band. They're the definition of middle-of-the-road 90s alt-rock. We are going to get more letters about this, just the music conversation, more than we will about anything that we talk about live.
with the murders or gender. I don't think it comes to anyone's surprise that I'm not the biggest fucking live fan of the world. I thought a more appropriate band would have for him to, a more appropriate song for him to be playing while he was doing this was Alice in Chains Man in the Box. Yeah. Or maybe he put his victims in a candle box. Ha ha ha ha!
And then left them far behind. I think live is an extremely good series of karaoke songs for older men to do. Maybe he was just excited to make people unalive. But the reason why John Bunting loved this song, Selling the Drama, was because of the lyrics of the chorus. And I guarantee that almost none of you, even if you've heard this song a thousand
thousand times know what those lyrics are i love this song and have sung this song i believe i have sung this song at karaoke and i did not know that these were the lyrics until we look back and i was like oh yeah they are um hey now it won't be raped hey now it won't be scarred like that hey and so on and so forth i didn't know it was now we won't be raped
Now we won't be scarred like that. But to make this synchronicity even more insane and to just wrap all this up and bring it full circle, live is playing here in Los Angeles tomorrow. Oh, that's why all the Rogaine is sold out. It's all gone.
but while lightning crashes possibly played in the background troy yud was strangled with a rope that was leveraged with a metal rod to tighten it just like how john wayne gacy used to do and how you find lightning bunting however claimed that his hand was too hurt to do the twisting so he told jamie to do it instead but when jamie tried strangling his half brother to death the rope broke while
Wagner tried to retie it, but it broke again. So Wagner ended up strangling Troy to death while bunting kneeled and stared into Troy's eyes like the ridiculous edgelord that he is. My love is locked on. Do you think Semi-Charmed Life came on? He's like, no! Stop it! Get it off! Stop it! Get it off! Get down! He's like, shit! All right!
This guy was old. Oh, God, that type of rap. That type of weird man rap. But Troy's body was then wrapped in garbage bags and taken to the garage where it was later placed in a barrel. But Bunting claimed that the barrel was just the tiniest bit
too small to fit the whole body. So he cut off one of Yud's feet to make the tight squeeze and tossed the foot into parts unknown. But as they did that, they were always supreme edgelords about it. So every single time they did it,
I find it interesting because I do think that some serial killers strangely take an almost ritualistic approach to certain things where there's more of a sacred thing. You know, you see about how Dennis Rader talked about it being an art form. But these guys, every single time they did something, it would never be without a bunch of last podcast style jokes while they were doing it. Like they would cut off the feet and then the whole thing would be like, hey, hey, I'm walking
And they would do all this fucked up shit with their feet. They would do all of this. Every time they did it, and it really just showed how, I mean, they're just gone full psychopath. That's why I say they're very Beavis and Butthead. They are, yes. Because they're giggling the entire time. They're giggling. They're making jokes. Yes, they think that it's all funny, and it's all fun and games, and everybody likes it. Yeah. And that's the thing. If you're super scary, and you're laughing like everybody likes what you're doing, and then everybody else is laughing because they're scared of you, but you think...
think that you're being right. You know what I mean? Which is a situation I found myself in a couple times. Who's ever been scared of you? I'm just saying the more that, all right, you know, like. Oh, you've been the scared one. Well,
Well, it's alienating people. Anyone religious hates his clothes. I know that much. Yeah, dude. I got a good stare at the other day, man, because we had the Mormon people on the street or whatever. Jehovah's Witnesses on the street. I had a good old-fashioned Satan shirt on, honestly. That is nice. Fuck yeah. Just look at him and point at your shirt. You're like, yeah, go fuck yourself. No, I didn't do that. Oh, good for you. You're growing.
Yeah, you are growing. My wife did give a very, I was proud of how firm her no thank you was the other day to the Jehovah's Witnesses who tried approaching our home. No thank! Yeah, two Scientologists come at me the last time we were in Tampa in my, you saw. Oh, you got real mad! Well, because it was during a real mad time period and I remember they came up to me as they were talking to me and I was like, don't fucking talk to me! Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, do not follow us! Walk the other way! I was like, wow, that makes sense. Well, and see, with Scientologists,
You're allowed to do that. Yeah. Yeah, just don't get violent. I don't. No. Well, as far as what John Bunting told Elizabeth, who, if you'll remember, was John's girlfriend, as well as both Jamie Vlasakis' and Troy Ude's mother, he said that Troy had gotten into a big fight with Bunting and ran off. Later, Bunting would use the recording he made in a fake phone call to Elizabeth to complete the story. As far as how Jamie... Did all that make sense? Yes, he basically just... He lied to her and he said that we...
I mean, there's just so many people involved in this and so many stories and so much bullshit. Where'd the foot go? We don't know. That's actually been kind of a mystery in this whole thing. They actually kind of make a big deal out of it sometimes. They'd be like, we got no idea where that foot went. It's got to be Dingo. Yeah.
They could have just thrown it in the pit. They still were burying some things in the backyard. Yeah. Well, as far as how Jamie felt about the whole thing, he told Bunting that he enjoyed taking part in the murder of his half-brother. But according to what he later told authorities, he was lying because he was too scared to disagree with such a cold-blooded killer. I think there's a solid demarcation 50-50 in there. Mm-hmm.
Well, I think there's also the difference between fantasizing about murder and actually being a part of it. And I think that's what happened with this guy is that like the fantasy of it and thinking about this person who had hurt him so badly when he was a kid, thinking about killing him is that's...
Somewhat cathartic. Everyone does that. Everyone fantasizes about shit like that. Like, you know, extreme violence, murder on somebody who's hurt you or wronged you or anything like that. Everyone has those sorts of thoughts. But the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people never carry them out because it's wrong. You can't do that. But
But Jamie Vlasakis found himself in a situation where somebody pulled him into that. And it's sink or swim. Yeah. And, you know, you find yourself in a position where you're sort of your hands are forced to do certain things. And then I find in a way somebody like him, if you're in that environment, you have to find out a way to like it.
You have to find a way to survive and thrive in this environment because thriving means not getting murdered. And so you have to stay ahead of the extremely dangerous people that you are now involved in, which is the slippery slope, which is also why he did the thing later on of flipping. Yeah, well, he's a real fucked up idiot who also just buried his best friend. He's not there. And that also knows for a fact he is for certain a potential victim.
him. He is right on that list. And actually, he is hovering between next. Each time if he does something wrong, he's bumping up on that list of who's going to get killed next.
Now in 1998, Mark Hayden came back into John Bunting's life. If you will remember, Mark Hayden was the taciturn dullard who'd helped John Bunting dig the tunnel, and he'd assisted in the disposal of the corpse of Clinton Trezise. But after years of doing God knows what, Hayden was now hanging out with Bunting and Wagner almost constantly, watching TV together or playing video games for hours at a time.
In another somewhat confusing living situation, Mark Hayden was living with his wife, who was also named Elizabeth. Just hang on here for a second. As well as her two sons, her sister Gail and Gail's teenage son, Fred Brooks. This just shows that America is really not that far from Australia.
This is just trailer park people. It's the same thing. Trailer park family trees look like a spider's web all stuck to it. It
inside of a leg of a big old man. Yeah, I mean, that's what we said. We've been to Australia once and Australia is very, out of every country that I've been to in the world, Australia is by far the closest to America. Oh, sure. Same vibe. It's America without the guns. Yeah. And the entertainment.
Well, they got some good stuff. I love the music. You know, I love Tame Impala, Amel and the Sniffers, King Gizzard. I love you. Oh, I love Amel and the Sniffers. I want to see them. Yeah, that'd be great if they're playing over there. But, I mean, what's, you know, how good is their TV, really? Ha ha ha!
Well, complicating matters more was the fact that Bunting was also having an affair with Gail and was telling his Elizabeth that he'd gotten a job as a truck driver and that's why he was away from home so much. Bunting's wife didn't question this claim because money was still coming in from all the murder victim's welfare payments. They're drawn, I think, on like five or six accounts by this point. But...
But unfortunately, since John Bunting was spending so much time at Mark Hayden's house having inadequate sex with Gail, he soon became convinced that Gail's 17-year-old son, Fred Brooks, was a pedophile with no evidence whatsoever. Yeah, they just did not like him. This, of course, put Fred in mortal peril.
Now, the dullard Mark Hayden was already all in on whatever scheme Bunting had for murdering whoever had been marked for death. So he agreed to store the barrels with the bodies of Vanessa Lane, Michelle Gardner, Gavin Porter, and Troy Youde in his garage. So remember that. The bodies in the barrels are now in Mark Hayden's garage. And presumably, Mark Hayden also didn't question Bunting after Fred Brooks vanished on September 17th, 1998. And
And here, my friends, is when we enter into gold star territory. Very much so. Ding-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling. Is that seven? Seven murders? Yeah. We're getting there. We're getting there. Yeah, and because what we know is that he put the bodies, because they did too. I forgot how they sourced the acid that they would pour over the bodies. I think they just, I think they...
just bought it, but the thing is that they used the wrong kind of acid. They used hydrochloric acid when they were supposed to use sulfuric acid because sulfuric acid is the one that really eats everything. But with the hydrochloric acid, it just made it... I mean, you wanted soup and they got gumbo. Does that make sense? Do you remember the soup that had the big chunks of...
It's like that. Oh, yeah. I think it was called Chunky Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chunky Man. Just regular Chunky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they apparently, they put it in there and one of the truly worst problems with these barrels is that everywhere they'd sit, they'd leak. Yeah. So every house that they went to, the first time they started it,
It would, you know, obviously it takes time for these bodies to be slowly sous-viding inside of these barrels. And that what they would do is they'd leak out the bottom. And so they'd have to eventually leave because everywhere they went would smell like rotting flesh. And John Bunting had no sense of smell. So every time he would always have to ask Jamie. Jamie was literally his canary. Where he'd go to Jamie and say like, I smell like dead bodies in here. Because he couldn't do it.
And Jamie would be like, it's not as bad as it was yesterday. It could be worse. These guys love to dig. Why not put it in the ground? Because digging is very loud and a lot of people notice digging. Yeah.
All right. You know, arguably killing a bunch of people you call pedophiles is loud as well. Well, it depends on how loud the pedophile is. So after tricking Fred into joining them at Bunting's home in Murray Bridge, Bunting, Wagner, and Jamie did a little song and dance in which they took another page from Gacy's handbook, showing Fred how much fun it was to put handcuffs on yourself.
And so, when Fred joined in and put himself in handcuffs, Wagner wrapped his arm around Fred's neck while Bunting shushed for Fred to not make a sound. Bunting then told Fred that he was a pedophile and needed to, quote, go to the clinic.
As they had most times before, Bunting and Wagner took Fred to the bathtub, stripped him naked, and bashed his genitals until they were grossly swollen. But with Fred, Wagner and Bunting took it to the next level by sticking lit cigarettes up Fred's nose and inside his ear.
After that, Bunting grabbed his tape recorder and forced Fred to recite the same sorts of statements as he had with the rest, like, hey mom, it's me, I'm on my way to Perth, met a pretty nice chick, fuck off and leave me alone. But after finishing the messages and giving up all his bank details, Fred's toes were crushed by Robert Wagner, crushed with pliers, which seemed to be Wagner's favorite part.
But the escalation on this murder didn't stop with the cigarettes. Next, Bunting pulled out an electrical transformer called a Variac, capable of delivering up to 260 volts of electricity. One of the Variac's alligator clips were attached to Fred's penis, while the other was clipped to his testicles. The first shock was set at 20 volts, but over a period of hours,
hours. They steadily increased the voltage while grilling him about his alleged, and from all indications, non-existent pedophilia. You know what just hit me?
Robert Wagner the actor. Yeah, just now, huh? Yeah. Just now. I just saw number two from Austin Powers doing all of this. Heart to heart. As we were doing this. As you were just describing it, I don't know why it took me to literally this moment. And then all of a sudden, I'm just seeing Robert Wagner do all this. You know what hit me during that is that in Australia, they're probably crocodile clips. Because they don't have alligators.
This is the kind of emails we get. That's the kind of Reddit comments we receive. I want you to understand that. EddieTunes.com Every second of this, by the way, was recorded by Bunting, and he listened to it afterwards as a sort of serial killer game tape. But after the electroshocks, Wagner delivered the coup de grace, one of the worst and weirdest tortures I've ever heard a serial killer use.
Taking a metal party sparkler, Wagner shoved the handle inside Fred's penis. Then he lit it and let it burn down to the very tip. Then he did it again with a second sparkler. But when Bunting restarted the electrical shocks, Fred started screaming uncontrollably. So Bunting shoved a sock in Fred's mouth and wrapped his head in tape.
Syringes filled with both bleach and water were then injected into Fred's testicles and legs, and finally, Frank died, most likely from asphyxiation.
This was all because John Bunting thought that Fred might be a pedophile, which is why I've been saying for years, you can't just go around calling people pedophiles. Unless you yourself have dressed up as a little boy with little, you got pigtails that you've got a wig on, you got a big lollipop, and you were then freshly molested by this pedophile while you were disguised as a child.
One thing I know is if there's two guys standing in a room and one's a pedophile and one's not, I'm usually going to say the one with the sparklers is the pedophile. Fair enough. Fair enough. Anybody that has brought bubbles out that doesn't have a toddler.
Now, after being wrapped in garbage bags, Fred's body was put into the trunk of a rundown car in the yard until it was later towed away by Mark Hayden. Hayden then dumped Mark's body on his garage floor until they could afford to buy another barrel. And when they did, Fred Brooks joined the other six as body in the barrel number seven. And that really shows just how much collateral you need to be a serial killer and about how gatekeeping doesn't just stop in the entertainment business.
And if you don't have the funds, like, oh, yeah, sure. I would have loved to have started serial killing when I was in my early 20s, but I needed a full-time job. Yeah, you got to get that barrel money. Yeah, dude. So how fucking dare you think all you fucking nepo killers that go out there with your fucking, oh, I killed other people and I'm taking their government money and that funds me. Oh, you're government funded. So think about that. You're not a socialist. Do better. Yeah.
Be better. Now remember, John Bunting had been having an affair with Fred's mother, Gail. And Bunting told Gail when her son mysteriously disappeared that he'd last seen Fred getting into a car with some woman. Fred, he said, was also on a lot of speed and seemed really aggressive and was saying something about leaving town. Yeah, holds out. Yep. Gail tried calling Fred's cell phone, but was greeted by a strange, abusive, outgoing message, which had, of course, been recorded while Fred was being tortured to death.
Gail then made a missing persons report with the police. But three days later, the house where Gail was living got a call.
On the other end was Fred's voice, but the person who answered was Gail's sister. Bunting had edited a tape together of Fred saying a bunch of mean shit, which, again, it sounds really fucking dumb. It sounds like a prank a morning zoo DJ would play. Yeah, it sounds very similar to Sal Governale. They're just playing sound bites. They're doing the thing that you do in sound bites. Who is your daddy and what does he do? Yeah, yeah. Never trust an editor. We're sneaky.
but apparently it was enough for Gail's sister to say like, oh yeah, I guess Fred's okay. She just shrugged, called the police and told them to cancel the missing persons report because Fred had called up and said that he was going to Perth, which is on the other side of the country. And he wanted everyone to leave him the fuck alone. That's like one of those things that I just don't understand where it's like, I guess that's, they just weren't,
It's a rough group. It's a real rough group. It's a rough group. It's a real rough group of people that Bunting and all these people are kind of in. It's a very, very rough group. I've already talked about how I don't believe in Jackie's freedom if she's been brainwashed. Like, I believe that she needs to be saved, right, from one of these things. I think I'd flip out if she did one of these things where I got a weird, strained phone call that sounded like she was under duress. Yeah. Like, you'd become like Liam Neeson.
Yeah, you go find him. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. These people actually called the police and said, never mind. Yep. So I called it off. All done.
Now, like most serial killers, the frequency of Bunting and Wagner's murders were increasing. Where before there had been years between killings, it was now down to a matter of weeks. They were getting addicted. In October of 1998, less than a month after Fred Brooks, Jamie recalled that he and Bunting were driving around when they spotted a man named Gary O'Dwyer. Now, just like every other victim, Gary was personally known to John Bunting. In fact, he was his next door neighbor.
Bunting, however, became obsessed with how, quote unquote, gay Dwyer looked. Talked about it quite a bit, in fact. And he was soon talking about how much O'Dwyer looked like murder victim and actual pedophile Troy Youde. But Gary O'Dwyer, he was the one. This poor guy. This guy was a poor soul. This is a poor soul. Horrible realtor. Yeah. Yeah.
I hate this bungalow now. No, he was severely fucked up. Yeah, in a lot of different ways. But at the end, he's just some dude. I mean, he'd gotten addicted to drugs and alcohol after being the victim of a vicious hit and run. He'd suffered from epilepsy.
seizures since he was a kid. He had a bad limp. He couldn't do math anymore. Like, he literally had fucked up his brain, so he couldn't do any sort of executive function. He was just dumb. And this all seemed gay to him.
I don't know how any of this I agree with you I don't know how any of this translates to gay can you imagine getting hit by a car like traumatically and then all of a sudden it's just like you making delicious radicchio like salad like you like going out to like you know talking about really wonderful vacation spots in Palm Springs how much you love going to fucking the Cape
And like, you know, like all that kind of shit. But Gary also had an uncontrollable temper, making him again an inconvenient person to have as a next door neighbor. Yeah, he was. Yeah, that's the problem. It's not. The only thing he did wrong was be nice.
A bad neighbor, but only a bad neighbor like a dog's bad. He just was not. He was all fucked up. Just all fucked up. Probably his brain damage. Yes, he did. Absolutely had brain damage. Well, I mean, that's what I said in the last episode is that Salisbury North seemed like at this time to be a place where they just kind of shoved people.
Like just put them in Salisbury North, give them some welfare payments, and we can just forget about these. We can forget these people exist. You know what's happening here? This is the cast of Meet the Feebles. Yeah. This is Meet the Feebles live. Wow. That's incredible.
Well, according to Bunting, O'Dwyer was a, quote, pathetic, epileptic piece of waste. And Bunting fantasized endlessly about murdering Gary. He then set on the task of getting to know Jamie to see if they could kill him without drawing too much attention and to see if his disability checks were big enough to take the risk. I got it. Let's send our most charismatic member.
Let's send a little heroin boy out to be our spy. Well, sadly, Gary O'Dwyer had no idea he was being cased. He just thought that Jamie was a new friend. God, also just the idea of Gary O'Dwyer didn't think he was going to be cased. Cased for what? Yeah, Jamie was merely the bait. And after Bunting decided to go ahead with the murder...
Jamie was the one tasked with taking Gary out to the pub and inviting him back to Gary's place for a nightcap. Well, this is how much of a pussy John Bunting truly is, where he needed this person with a literal, physical, and mental disability to get drunk.
before he could go ahead and physically dominate a person that also was smaller than him. Yeah. Bunting and Wagner soon joined them at Gary's house. But after just a few minutes of drinking and talking, Wagner stood up and grabbed Gary by the throat, which caused Gary to go into a seizure.
Once the episode subsided, Bunting and Wagner put on the handcuffs, pulled Gary's mattress into the kitchen, and laid Gary on top to ask him about his alleged pedophilia, I suppose, to see if they could shoehorn this murder into their overall mission. Kind of sounds like Abu Ghraib. Yeah.
Gary got the same incredibly cruel treatment as Fred with the shocks to the genitals, the sparklers, the cigarettes, the toe crushing, everything. And this, I think, is actually the greatest irony of the whole Snowtown murder saga. See, the men who weren't pedophiles got the worst torture.
This was because they had nothing to confess to. And Bunting and Wagner kept going harder and harder to try and elicit a confession to something that didn't happen. All so they could justify what they were doing. But they didn't need the justification, nor did they even care to get it. They just liked the process of torturing, and it does sort of feel like it was an endgame in and of itself. But they only did it to the guys who were actual pedophiles, like Troy, like, you know, like...
you'd he didn't get the horrible treatment that the other guys got because they were on the first half. I suppose so. This is the natural. Now we're seeing the natural escalation of serial killers to the point where John Bunting is and Robert Wagner are both so bored with what they're doing or and that they're looking for ways to make it more exciting for them. But they don't do it with the next victim.
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, they're all over the place. I think it really is. They're trying to get some sort of confession out of him. And so they're just going to work because the other guy, because you're just like, yeah, I'm a pedophile. I'm sorry. Like, I molested my brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they're just trying to justify it. Yeah, sure. I mean, they've got to be like just so bored. It all comes from that. I mean, they're sitting there with just one live CD. Yeah.
and trying to fucking be entertained. You only got one PlayStation game. That's all they had. They didn't even have- Playing fucking Qbert over and over again. Please, Twisted Metal 2. There's like no, what's its part? No tub dumping? What else is Australian? Chumbawamba? No, that's England. That's England. Come on. Oh!
Come on, Arlene. Come on, Arlene. Dexys Midnight Runners? We're the Dexys Midnight Runners. Yeah. I suppose so. Back to Australian hometown boys, Toto. Yeah. Oh, they're Australian, really? Yeah. Yeah. Grong, grong. I like them a lot.
But at any rate, around 9 o'clock, Jamie said he felt ill and he left the house. But after Gary had been tortured to death, Jamie was brought back to help loot Gary's possessions. Within a few days, Gary's body was in a barrel in Mark Hayden's garage. But as it turned out, no recorded tape messages were necessary. The
The only connection Gary O'Dwyer had to anyone was to his former foster mother. He was 29 by this point. And from what she said, it just didn't occur to her to report Gary as a missing person. Well, they weren't in communication anymore. By that point, Gary sort of was living on his own and his problems have made him not...
Super easy to take care of. I got lots of family I haven't talked to in months. But that's not to say that nobody investigated any of these missing people. After Vanessa Lane disappeared, it was discovered that money was still being withdrawn from her account nine months later in Adelaide, even though she'd supposedly moved to Queensland.
Video surveillance showed that the person withdrawing the money was Robert Wagner. So a detective had a team shadow Wagner six times over six months in 1998.
But since there was no direct evidence of a major crime, the surveillance was limited and requests for additional manpower were denied. Yeah, I don't really understand what happened with the beginning of this. Well, I do understand. I think that's what we were saying before. They don't care that Vanessa Lame is dead. And if this was America, the cops would have just beat the shit out of them and found out some stuff then. Honestly, I don't know if they put it past the Australian police every once in a while to knock a guy about.
But had police looked a bit more into Robert Wagner's life, they would have certainly found John Bunting, and they just may have been able to prevent the disappearance and death of Mark Hayden's wife, Elizabeth.
Now, John Bunting had always hated Elizabeth Hayden. And while that might have been enough for him to kill her at this point, it's probably more likely that Elizabeth was killed because she knew too much. She did seem like a fine woman, maybe. I have no idea. She married to Mark Hayden. Yeah, she's not a full accomplice. But she had an almost Miss Piggy-like obsession with John Bunting. She was sexually...
She saw that man. This is the second time you've used Miss Piggy as a way to describe a sexual attraction between a woman and a man. Well, it's because of the way it was. Elizabeth Hayden was a lot like, oh, Johnny. Like, it was very much, she was interested. I don't think Miss Piggy could take John Bunting. I would love to see it. She knows karate. I would pay that. Save that for March Madness.
Next year, Miss Piggy is going to be a top seed. Top seed. That's John Punting.
Well, the reason why Elizabeth knew too much was not only because there were six bodies and barrels rapidly decomposing in her garage, but because Mark Hayden had also told his wife about the murders. Presumably after she asked, what the fuck was stinking so much out in the garage? Well, for so long, they kept saying it was the kangaroo. Yeah. So they were saying that they were culling kangaroos and had kangaroo meat around and so it was just rotting in the sun. Yeah. Which they were doing, right? I think that
There was something in there. Cool. And so sometime in late November 1998, Bunting told Mark Hayden to clear out of the house and take Gail with him. Hayden did what he was told and went for a drive with Gail. And while he was gone, his wife was tortured and killed in her own bathroom. Her body was then drug out to the garage and placed in a barrel marking body number eight.
Now with this murder, Bunting and Wagner couldn't really do the whole voice recording ruse because there were too many people who'd just seen her.
So Bunting, Hayden, and Wagner came up with a story and told police that Elizabeth had left home drunk one night and ran away with a new boyfriend. These guys truly have more sex than any group of supermodels you have ever met. There is something about this style of white trash that just... It's not just this style. It's... Trust me. Everyone's got seven kids.
kids. They're all so horny. Growing up in a town where there's like a lot of these types of people around, they're all fucking all the time. Dude. It's not even, there's inbreeding, there's everyone's, everyone, everyone is fucking, it's fucking horrible. What is it about it? Because it's like
It's boredom. I'm hairy. And it's also like, it's just straight instinct. Yeah, I guess you think that's what it is. It's just no impulse control. So everybody's just kind of fucking each other. No impulse control. None of these people have impulse control at all. They all start fucking... I remember like all the kids that were in like the bad neighborhood where I grew up, they were fucking like 12. Yeah. Yeah. It was like terrifying. But there's no way that like John Bunting was like...
good at sex. No. No, I don't think any of them were particularly good at sex. Yeah, I don't think he really cared about the female orgasms. Yeah. But maybe he had one of those weird fat dicks, the ones that are like really big in the middle. Oh, potato dicks. Potato dicks. Yeah, lots of eyes. Eyes cool.
Well, when their first story was proved to be full of holes, they changed it to something far more complicated involving a visit to Mark's father and a fight and a girlfriend and all sorts of extra people. Way too much to keep straight. And Mark Hayden at this point, like he when he saw his wife's dead body, reportedly he laughed. Well, he also apparently didn't like it and they would all make fun of her. They all got together and would make fun of her the way she dressed, the way she talked.
Well, because this story wasn't adding up, Elizabeth's brother reported her missing and the police started asking more questions. Questions soon turned into statements and statements turned into searches. Specifically, police got a search warrant for Mark Hayden's home where the bodies and the barrels were being kept. Police arrived and found Elizabeth's purse, ID, bank cards and wedding rings.
Luminol was also sprayed around the house to check for traces of blood, and traces were found in the laundry room. Investigators then opened the door to the garage, and even though they smelled the stench of death and found maggot casings scattered about the floor, the bodies in the barrels weren't dead.
That's because Bunting and Wagner had already moved them to Snowtown. And that's where we'll pick back up for the conclusion to our series. We have a lot left to cover. This is a huge story. We were going to do this in two, but there was just so much. It was going to be a two and a half hour episode. So this was, I'm excited for this. This is a story that I find interesting, sadly.
No, it's fascinating. It's absolutely fascinating. The book's good. You know, I'm reading it last night. Like Natalie's like, what you eating? I was just like, oh, you want me to describe? Yeah. She didn't enjoy it. And then, but this, we're going to come back. We're going for a little bit of a break, but,
We're not. The show is not, but us as humans are. And we're going to come back with episode three of this after next week. But you will like it. Next week, we might as well go ahead and tell people what next week is going to be. Next week is the LPN spring break. This is when the whole network goes and takes a little bit of a vacation. And so for that week, we've prerecorded an interview with John Wayne Gacy's last lawyer. This is...
Honestly, it was really cool. It's fascinating. It's with the woman who tried to save John Wayne Gacy from the death penalty. Great interview. She's got a new book out. It's a lot of fun. We hope you guys enjoy it. But after that, we're going to come back with the Snowtown Murders episode.
part three and the next two series after that. I'm so excited for what we have going this spring. So much cool shit. Yeah, honestly, and it's all cooking. Yeah, it's cooking. It's cooking hearts. Thank you all so much for listening. Do not forget to go to patreon.com slash last podcast on the left to watch full video of these episodes where we're recording. Yo,
You see our jaw will shake. You can go to TikTok and Instagram and follow us at LP on the left. And be sure to check out LPN TV on Twitch. That's twitch.tv slash LPN TV. We're also available on YouTube after the shows have aired. And, of course, go to lastpodcastontheleft.com to see all of our tour dates for this year. We got a ton in North America. We're coming around. And we're coming to Australia. We're fucking coming.
to Adelaide. Yeah, we are, man. So we can't wait for that shit. We can't wait to meet some of these recently released... Yeah, we'll meet them. We'll meet them, yeah. Hi, Mark. Hey, Mark. See if we can get him for the show. Yeah, that'd be great. And we're also doing England this year in October. We're going to be doing two dates in London in October, so make sure to go check out those dates to see
If you can make it. And we're also so fucking excited. We're doing Reykjavik this year. Finally, after years of talking about it, we're going to be doing the Harpa. We're going to be doing the big fucking concert hall. I mean, we're not doing the big room. The big, big one. We're not doing the big room. Yeah. No, no, of course not. But all y'all out there in Reykjavik, I know you like to wait till the last minute.
We're going out and buy your tickets now. Yeah. Can't wait to come and eat a bunch of lamb. And I'll fucking, I'll show you guys. I can't wait. No, I'll show you guys fucking Icelandic hot dogs. All right. Fucking incredible. Are you just going to show us your penis? Yeah, yeah. You can show us your penis. Yeah, yeah. It can be a little. We don't have to do it in Reykjavik in October. But yeah, that's October 18th and 20th in London.
October 22nd in Reykjavik. So can't wait to see y'all out on the road this year. Also, Side Stories Live, May 9th. At the Netflix is a Joke special at the Masonic Lodge in Los Angeles. We're going to have some special guests. It's going to be really fun. And go check on this new project we've been working on. It's called LemonParty.org.
And you're going to want to just type that into your URL. It's been a minute. I was looking at it this morning. Yeah, I was on. Also, I was on page seven this week. Go listen to that. It was a lot of fun. And this week, you can catch me at Outback Steakhouses all across Los Angeles doing research getting the barrel onion soup. Yes! You're going to love it!
And don't forget to listen to Brighter Side as well. That's right. We're rocking and rolling. Two shows a week now. Brighter Side Stories on Wednesday and Brighter Side Proper on Friday. It's going to be great. It's going to be great, y'all. See you fuckers. Hail Satan. Nobody. I got nobody. I got nobody this time. Hail the cop, maybe?
Maybe he's still fucked up. He still missed it. You know what? I'm going to go ahead and say I want to give him the dupe. I like the Toadies. Hail the Toadies. Hail the Toadies. Yeah, the Toadies. They're a good Texas band. They used to play Lubbock all the time. Yeah, hail the Toadies. Why not? Also, R.E.M. is better. R.E.M. is by far the best out of all those bands. Do you think so? Yeah. I'm a massive R.E.M. fan. Yeah.
R.E.M. Hail R.E.M. I still like Alice in Chains most. I don't like them. I don't know if everyone does her. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors. You can support our shows by supporting them. For more shows like the one you just listened to, go to LastPodcastNetwork.com.
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