Top 10 TE Rankings + Hit Rates, Danger Zone - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/13
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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in, the Fantasy Footballers, back again. You startled me. Startled myself. Never let yourself know what your next move is. Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway.

Deucers alley full of Deucers. Al Borland in the house, Papa Josh, and the Falcon. I got to be honest. The Falcon's known for something at this point in time. Yeah, he's known for taking a Falcon. If you know what I mean, that's on the toilet. And we know this because we've been reviewing the listener league entries, which... Sensational. Awesome. Incredible. Thank you. Brutal to have to just choose...

handful of you for the listener league but those decisions are being made yeah they will be finalized probably today tomorrow this week for sure and we will we will let you know and so look we're gonna get to it today maybe tomorrow look up maybe this week oh

I want to give myself some time, okay? You should have just started with this week. Well, the truth, here's the truth. Any minute now. The truth is, I hope to have it done today or tomorrow. Am I nice? You know, there's a lot. There's a lot to do. There is a lot going on. I was like, okay, I'm going to do it today or tomorrow. You're like, that's not. Look, if you don't hear tomorrow, it doesn't necessarily, it means I'm.

I'm a busy man. You ever negotiated against yourself? I just did. And I got a week out of it. Yeah, you did. So thank you for those entries. It's awesome. It's awesome to see the community. And the Foot Clan is mighty. But I think your point in bringing that up was that several people have submitted about taking a Falcon. Yeah, that's their words, not mine. Yeah, right. Not mine. We would never. We would never.

Sell him down the river. I'll show along when he doesn't show up because he has to take a dump. The big news yesterday, this week, the UDK for Life giveaway. So if you pick up an Ultimate Draft Kit before Friday's live stream, which we'll be doing an exclusive Q&A live stream where we'll give away a UDK for Life and a signed Justin Jefferson jersey and...

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Right. You'll also have the product that will help you win on draft day. Build your cheat sheet and have the app and mark your players and take advantage of your league mates and make them feel stupid and cry and go home. They'll be just like Papa Josh. Yeah, we say a lot, you don't win your league at the draft, but you can certainly win the draft day and just completely make your league mates feel so stupid. It's a good foundation. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You build a foundation at the draft for your championship run, and the Ultimate Draft Kit is the best tool to do it. All right, let's jump in. Welcome to The Waiver Wire, presented by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. All right, the last couple of weeks, we've jumped into The Waiver Wire specifically for

dynasty players that we're paying attention to in preseason training camp that you should pick up, that you should throw on the back of your roster. And then the next couple of weeks, we'll be looking at what we kind of call the undrafted gyms, the players that aren't being selected in the average standard 12-team, 10-team league, but that you might want to

You know, tuck away, see what happens in week one or two. Yeah, it's basically what we'll look at, you know, in the future weeks before kickoff for the waiver wire is essentially who you should be drafting in the last round. Or if you've done your draft, because I know a lot of people have their drafts in the books already, you might want to take a look at your roster and say, yeah, I would rather have this, you know, this undrafted gym on the waiver wires. But...

For now, this is the final week of looking at it from a dynasty perspective. Last week, we brought up such great names as Tyrone Tracy. Yeah, we can start there. I mean, Tyrone Tracy, the news this morning, injured at practice, air casted, now being the latest. He was air casted? Yeah, he's going to the hospital for special surgery.

in the New York area. And so this is likely immediate surgery, likely a season-ending injury for a player that looked like a great depth pickup for the Giants' backfield.

Which maybe at this point leads you right into Eric Gray. You would. Eric Gray would be the number one pickup now in replacement of that. That's certainly a name to pick up. This depth chart is basically just Devin Singletary. And if Devin Singletary goes down, then without Tyrone Tracy, Eric Gray is a must pick up.

And then, Mike, you mentioned Jordan Whittington yesterday, sixth-round draft pick from the Rams, who flashed in preseason, might be worth tossing on the back of a roster. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't just the play, which it was sensational at 6-for-74.

But the way that he's being talked about by his head coach, I also, in that game, they were talking to Stafford on the sideline, and his words about Whittington were very, very kind.

It's not everything, but it's another piece of the puzzle. He, to me, is someone that needs to be picked up just in case. Well, he's a grown man. Yes. According to Sean McVay, he says he's just a mature rookie. He's a grown man. He plays like a grown man with the ball in his hands. I can't help but think that the view of Whittington is being probably appropriately impacted by Puka's selection last year. Yeah.

The Rams identifying value at wide receiver later in the draft. It is, but if you compare the collegiate production, if you look at our production profiles in the UDK, you compare what Puka had in college versus what Whittington has had in college. One is absolutely excellent. Puka crushed versus zone 3.81 yards per zone, which was better than Jamar Chase did.

Whittington crushed it nothing. Yeah. But he looked good on an NFL field, so it's worth a shot. A couple other six-round picks. Andre Yoshivas, wide receiver for Cincinnati, should be on rosters. Jalen Naylor, a six-round pick, who seems to have been kind of winning the wide receiver three job in Minnesota. And then another wide receiver three job that seems to be one is Jalen Tolbert in Dallas, who, you know,

People talked about him when he was coming out and nothing materialized.

Oh yeah. Johnny Wilson in Philly is also a six round pick. So are we just targeting six, six round wideouts? Well, those are the guys that are on waivers and dynasty, but I do think Johnny Wilson has a path. He basically, even though he is six foot six, uh, he's really more of a slot type of wide receiver. I think that's where they will use him and he has to beat out Paris Campbell. The good news for Johnny Wilson, Johnny Wilson, I thought was, I liked his film in college. Um, he

He was productive. He was large people. People really just said he was large. Yeah, he was very, very large for a wide receiver. And everyone's like, oh, you're going to have to move to tight end. And the Eagles drafted him and said, no, we're not moving him to tight end. We think he's valuable. And they've been using him. He's been getting first team reps. And he only has to beat Paris Campbell. Paris Campbell's not good at football. So...

that's the path for Johnny Wilson. Let me ask you guys, because his name has been brought up on the podcast, Colby Parkinson, Los Angeles Rams tight end, because it was last year before the, before the free agency period, Davis Allen looked like, okay, this is a good stash here because Tyler Higbee, their starter absolutely annihilated his knee in January of like, if, if Higbee is back by the midpoint of the season, I would say that's a,

That's a huge success for him. Colby Parkinson signed a pretty lucrative deal. We didn't know exactly what to make of it, but he did not play this first preseason week. He sat with the known starters. Meanwhile, Davis Allen was out there a ton. Have you changed your view here of this? Because, look, Tyler Higbee, while not a superstar –

Has been a good fill-in tight end. The complication of the situation Jason brought up a long time ago, which is Colby Parkinson is a – he's worthy of the contract as a tight end in all the things that tight ends do. But four years to accumulate 57 catches –

makes me think that role he can be a full-time starter and catch 25 passes he's proven that so that that puts that hesitation in there where it's like okay it's probably neither and then when Higby returns is definitely neither or definitely is that that sentence was weird I liked it I mean you meant once Higby what is it when there's three you can you can't say driver knife right yeah

None of them? Yeah, that's it. I think that's what you'd say. Thank you for correcting me. I would still prefer Davis Allen just for the hopeful upside. I think that we know that the hopeful upside of Parkinson doesn't really exist.

He could have the role, and the role could be like, oh, maybe you could stream him a week or something, and he catches a couple touchdowns. That's the point. That's all I'm hoping for. Or they played some 12. When they get out there in 12, Parkinson's blocking, and Allen's running down the field. Yeah, I'm not hoping for that. I don't care if I've got – there's going to be 100 tight ends out there that catch a couple touchdowns this year. I don't think Davis Allen gets it done, but I –

I think that's where I would make my bet in the sense that if there is upside to be had, it's in him. Any other waiver names you guys want to bring up before we move on? I will throw out Jared Wiley. I mentioned on the Dynasty pod as my nasty boy of summer. He is the rookie tight end, bestseller,

behind Travis Kelsey. Behind Noah Gray. And Noah Gray, but Noah Gray is not under contract next year. Travis Kelsey could retire any offseason. So all of a sudden, there's a world where the number one tight end, and he's been working with the starters from the very get-go of camp. So I don't know. Jared Wiley is just a name to know. And he at least is, he's really athletic, and that is,

In the simplest terms, when you're trying to find a tight end, athleticism is where you should start along with draft capital. All right. Thanks again to NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. Watch every game every Sunday when you bundle NFL Sunday Ticket and YouTube TV. Sign up today at youtube.com slash fantasy footballers, local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday Ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Device and content restrictions apply.

News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance. It's preseason and the alarms were going off yesterday. Yeah. Late yesterday. Jameer Gibbs, leg injury at practice.

What is the latest? The latest I heard, they're calling it a hamstring injury. I have not seen a significant update as to the grade, the severity, what happened. You know, they will probably shut him down for a little while here. You probably won't see him until the beginning of the season just to be safe with the, you know, yoo-hoo, the hamstring pops up. And I will say that, you know, over the years –

Over the years, hamstring injuries in camp have a nasty habit of popping up again in the season. That's not to say you can't draft Jameer Gibbs. I mean, obviously, Jameer Gibbs is awesome. It just raises his risk factor to me a little bit. You know, where he's going in drafts, I would take him ahead of Kyron easily every time. Now it's a little bit of a question. I have seen...

some Jameer Gibbs dynasty managers sending through panic trades. Oh, don't. Don't. Dynasty? Don't do that. Not to trade him away. Oh, it's a depth. To acquire Montgomery from the Montgomery manager because they feel like they need to

almost buy an insurance policy right now due to the injury. And I guess I'm curious how reactionary would you be in that situation? Like, would you give up a little bit of value in an unequal trade to just insure your Gibbs or are you hurting yourself? I know. I think I would in a dynasty league. This is, I,

I think it's jumped up to a one. If I have Montgomery and the team with Gibbs comes to me for a very playable running back of David Montgomery, who if Gibbs is out,

I have a locked and loaded RB1. That price starts at a one. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I don't think I would trade David Montgomery for less than one. Let's say that Jameer Gibbs is fully healthy this year. David Montgomery is a full starting running back. He's going to have as good a chance of anybody in the league to score double-digit rushing touchdowns. And so, yeah, I would say he starts with a one. I was going to say, yeah, my reaction was I probably would have to pay more than a one. Yes.

Yes. But David Montgomery is the other side of this. We've been talking about it in all the mock drafts that we do, where when you take either Gibbs or Montgomery, there is a built-in thing that most other running backs at value don't have, where this is a playable asset, and should the other guy go down, it becomes an incredibly important league-winning upside. Have we talked about that enough with Raheem Oster in the seventh round?

Probably not. The fact that, like, I mean, like, A-Chan literally was hurt three times last year. Yeah. But we don't – I don't remember talking about that a lot on Mostert's breakdown of just, like, what if I told you A-Chan is gone in week three? Yeah. Like, Mostert was RB2 last year. It would be a crazy steal. Did you guys see Coach – what – Oh, yeah. McDonald's. Ronald McDonald. Coach McDonald's. Coach. Okay.

of the Miami Dolphins, Coach Ronald McDonald, talking about running backs. And he was asked about running backs being listed as starters. And he kind of took... I mean, look, he gives some wild answers sometimes, but essentially he was like, we have four good running backs. I will let the running back play dictate that type of stuff is essentially what he was saying. And so it's... I mean, it just...

It just juiced me up for Mostert even more. The value is crazy, and that's not being off of A-chan. That's just being excited for a value running back we're getting later. I don't think if A-chan goes down that Raheem Mostert would do...

do what David Montgomery or Gibbs would do in the sense that Jalen Wright, the rookie draft pick they just brought in, and Jeff Wilson is still on the team. I think that they will still use a rotation there. Whereas, I think with the Lions, should one of those guys go down, I mean, obviously someone will come in to spell people, but we saw it last year even with Gibbs when Montgomery went down. They get like a workhorse role.

Yeah, I can see. The lion's share, Jason. Yeah, the lion's share. Nice. Swish. Yeah, this is a new thing. I mean, did you see Matt LaFleur coming out and talking about like how, you know, this talk of. Makes me want to vomit. This talk of how if, you know, trying to put a wide receiver as my wide receiver one makes him want to vomit. Listen, Matt, I'll make you a deal. You give me the top four fantasy finishers, a wide receiver, and I will call all your receivers one. Yeah. Wide receiver one. Absolutely. Just give us the order.

Hey, no. You finish. You have two of them finish in the top 12. I'll say you have two wide receiver ones. There you go. That's a fair point. All right. Good news on Malik Nabors. Not only did Brian Dable say that all the tests came back positive and that he'll be okay and that it's not serious, but Malik Nabors said he feels good. He has no doubt he'll be there for week one. And he said he thought it was no big deal when it happened but wanted to get it checked out.

Yeah, and I mean, that's good news because we've all rolled our ankle before where it is actually not a big deal. You know, where it's like, oh, I'm worried. And then it's like, okay, you're okay. He was stretching today. He's on the field. You know, I think he practices this week, and I'm starting to not worry at all about it. J.J. McCarthy missed practice due to knee soreness. When I saw this come through, I thought it was an announcement that he was going to get first-team reps.

And it was rather his knee. Yeah, he's on the...

On the ouch list. Chase Claypool on IR ending his season. Good night, sweet prince. And I see this news bit in here, so maybe Mike wanted to talk about it. I didn't put it in. Albert Breer saying Bears wide receiver Kenan Allen appears to be 230 pounds. Yeah. What do you mean appears to be? That's what he's listed at. Yeah, I think the point is, whoa, he's up to 230 right now? I mean, he wasn't playing at that last year, was he? No, there's no way.

That's something to watch. He was probably playing at 210. Probably. Have you had that Chicago deep dish, though? Oh, yeah. I mean...

210 to 230 overnight. And deep dish is how you pack it on with pizza. I mean, that stuff is. Dude, can you eat more than one slice of that? I'm not supposed to. But can you? Can you? I could do two slices. You can? Yeah. There's consequences. I literally mean that word as in can I? If you put in the effort, you can do it. Yeah? You think with enough training? With enough. Okay. But seriously, Kenan is going to town on that.

Right now, because that is... He's like, I'm almost retired. It's fine. It's a one-year deal. I only work in the short part of the field. It comes up because there was some reporting from a few days ago of a beat reporter out of San Francisco, out of Chicago, and they had tweeted about it, and then they pulled it down, talking about Keenan Allen's weight, and they're like, I want to make sure I'm getting the information correct, because...

We're just hearing, does Keenan look a little slow to you guys? And then the actual report came out of there. Keenan Allen's an elite player, but if he's really a little bit overweight playing at that weight, it's going to be a problem. Our data from last year, I don't know when they weigh in, but it says 6'2", 211.

Yeah, that's a pretty big difference. So something to pay attention to. That was today's News and Notes presented, as always, by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USAA.com slash insurance. We're going to take a break, jump right back into a rankings countdown.

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This just in, Keenan is now at 240. Oh, no, another slice? 245. Oh, man. So tight end is in the picture. So you're saying at the rate I'm going, I could be Keenan Allen? Yes, you are Keenan Allen. Other than Kelvin Benjamin, I can't think of a lot of a weight-related wide receiver story. No, that's the only one I can remember. Frequent.

Yeah, Kelvin Benjamin. Yeah. That's it. That's it. He didn't have a drop, right? No, I'm thinking of Devin S. Scrumptious. I don't have it here. Tight ends. All right. Top 10 tight end rankings. Wrapping up our rankings episodes. We are in half PPR.

And Mike, you had some stuff to toss in about tight ends that you've been researching. We're giving, give you our hopeful potential top 10 here, but want to remind people of what actually has happened historically when we're drafting tight ends.

and their ability to hit a true ceiling. So over the last five years, in average draft position, the tight ends were drafted one to three. They have been hitting that top five at a 60%. Obviously, if you draft a guy at one, you don't want him top five, but it's at least...

It's not a complete disaster. Yeah, it doesn't ruin the pick. Right. So the high-end tight ends are hitting. That's why people are more and more jumping into that. If you go to the middle of the draft, the 4-6, that has dropped down to a 37%. And here is the absolute killer.

ADP over the last five years, tight ends drafted 7-12, have finished in the top five 3% of the time. That's not top three. That's not the number one. That's the top five. They only break in 3% of the time? Yes. So essentially what the point is of the strategy that we talk about a lot of, I want

an elite tight end, and then there's that middle tier of like four to six where I'm okay taking the chance on them. But after that, you pretty much punt the tight end position. But that means you're also punting upside.

Based on this data, I guess what I mean is you need to be realistic about the outcome of that punt. You can't just say, I'm punting it, but then I hope to get top five production by some miracle. Your odds are almost nothing. Right, but what I'm saying is half of last year's top 12 were drafted in the 10th round or later. It's the tight ends where you're at the point of,

Oh, dude, I got to get a tight end. I still got to get one. And they're running out. It's the truth of ADP has been don't worry about those guys when it's running out. You're really talking about the first few players we're going to mention. The guys that are near, you know, tight end, 9, 10, 11, 12, those type of guys. Historically, the hit rate of these first few guys we're going to talk about is bad.

So then if you said half of last year's top 12 were round 10 plus, and 97% of the top five historically is the first six tight ends off the board, then threading the needle and wasting a pick from the middle rounds towards the end is not worth it. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. Yes. Number 10.

Well, what a cool introduction for David and Joku. Hey, and it's not that we're saying it's impossible for these players. These are our best shot at it. It's just know what you're getting into when you're drafting tight ends. Is there any position, though, just to kind of throw a wrinkle into the thought process and totally throw out everything you said? All right.

Is there any position like tight end where you do see these runs from the position over periods of the season where the final result is very different? Could be. Like Njoku's season, he was the league-winning tight end. Yes. He was the singular league-winning tight end, but his fantasy finish was...

was the tight end six. So he didn't qualify, right? Like he didn't fit into that box of finishing top five being drafted in those middle rounds. And yet, you know, the tight end position is strange because you can catch lightning in a bottle. And we've seen that as seasons have ended from time to time. So, you know, you talk about Mike on tips and tricks and we got a tips and tricks episode this week. You've talked about looking at your season in chunks. And I wonder if,

You don't have one of those top five guys if you need to keep looking at your season in chunks at the tight end position. Yeah, look at that schedule because those who have a warm and fuzzy feeling about David Njoku from last year had him at the end. They didn't have him at the beginning because the first five games of the season, he put up 3.4, 4.8, 4, 7.6, okay, 3.9. Like he was –

Tight end 17 was the highest finish he put up in his first five games. Which was just par for the course of a six-year career where you have been waiting for David Njoku to do what he did at the end of the year but never got. Yeah, and all it took was Joe Flacco. So the question with David Njoku is, was the late season –

you know, minimalistic breakout enough to, enough to like make him the clear number two target in the offense. Or was it the fact that you had predominantly a Joe Flacco led stretch of games for his best games that were, you know, look, you got a statue in the pocket. That's not going to be extending plays and look, you know, he's looking for that safety valve and hyper-targeting the joke who,

I keep going back and forth, but I land more on the side that I don't think Njoku is going to be as good as he was the second half of last year with Deshaun Watson there. Well, the cost is an eighth-round pick, so it's in that danger zone that Mike was talking about. Do you agree with the same hesitation? Is it just...

Everything on this offense seems to come down to whether Deshaun Watson is a real quarterback or not. And he played hurt. He played hurt, but he played poorly as well. Well, good news. He's cleared for contact. It just came through this morning. Cleared for contact, Deshaun Watson. Every day he starts. It was re-cleared. Right, re-cleared for contact. He was cleared yesterday, but then they wanted to make sure. Right. Well, he got hit. And then it's like, whoa, he's unclear. Now he's back.

Jerry Judy also factors into this. Is Jerry Judy a real wide receiver? And I'm not talking about, you know, does he actually play that position? I mean, they traded for him. He's not practicing either. Yeah, but over the course of the season, they made a gamble on Jerry Judy. And if...

I mean, Amari Cooper is, he's their one. If Jerry Judy really can be the second target in here and David Njoku is then the third, I think that becomes a huge situation. What week was Nick Chubb injured? I think it was like week two. I mean, I'll verify it. It was very early. Week two. Okay. I guess I was curious too from an identity perspective, and we won't have Chubb to start the year as well. We've talked about Jerome Ford, but like,

The offense is going to need to transition into a passing offense, and the question is just whether, like you said, do you have a player in duty? Is Amari Cooper the same guy he's always been, and do they force-feed the ball to Njoku or not? I don't think it's – the stakes are not as high with an eighth-round pick if you believe that they're going to continue to compete. I mean, I thought that Kevin Stefanski and this team did the most impressive job with all of the injuries last year of any team.

And now it's their job to make Deshaun Watson work. And, you know, I get the impression that most of the time we talk about Najoka, you two would rather just wait. Yeah, I think I'll keep taking shots. When I get past, so I've talked about it a bunch, right? The top five, I want one of the top five tight ends. That's where I'm usually trying to get the fifth one because I think there's five guys that can get number one. I've now started to really kind of include George Kittle in that, so it's six.

We'll have a big question mark here when we get to the next guy on the list, but I will say that after those guys, I'm waiting until whatever my last pick is. I just don't care the difference between whether I get Njoku or Pat Friermuth or whoever. I'm fine just loading up on wide receivers and running backs and saying if I'm not having a stud tight end, I want

the rest of my roster to be worth it. Like there should be a reason that my team doesn't have a great tight end. It's because I loaded up elsewhere, not just, oh, I got a worse tight end. Well, yeah, no, I mean, that's a good strategy. And it probably is the one that's going to bear out

The nice thing about Njoku, unlike Friar Muth or some of the other later names, is that you had a stretch from week 7 through 17 where he was the number one tight end in fantasy. It's always nice to know, like Kittle to some extent. Kittle hasn't been what he was three or four years ago, but at least you know on any given week this one player can win you a week at the position where, at least with Friar Muth and Schultz, I don't think that's going to happen. Right.

I'm okay. I really am okay. People are like David Njoku's the guy of this range that I want to take the chance on. He's not that for me simply because of the next player, the number nine tight end here, who is in the exact same range. Like ADP, we're going from David Njoku at 804 to this player. Number nine. Number nine.

Jake Turd Ferguson of the Dallas Cowboys. That's why the poop emoji is written in there. Yeah. Turd Ferguson. It's a funny hat. It's a funny hat. It's a big hat. It does make him more attractive now. Yeah. Yeah. Turd Ferguson. I was out. No, man. Turd Ferguson is your target here in the – now, he still qualifies in the same –

The same range as Njoku and those stats that you're talking about. I mean, he was the tight end eight at 8.3 points per game. But you both would take him over Njoku. And the reason being is I believe, and I'm firmly projecting that, Ferguson is the number two target for the Dallas Cowboys passing offense. He led all tight ends and red zone targets.

It didn't turn into as much fantasy goodness as we want. You're pointing. Uh-oh. Breaking news. Uh-oh. I'm sorry. I'm seeing surgery for J.J. McCarthy. What? Is that what? Deucer's Alley, what are we reporting? Vetting. The Falcon dropped this one. So I see Adam Schefter. So it is from Schefty. How extensive the surgery on J.J. McCarthy's meniscus is will determine how long he will be silent. Wow.

Dude. He's going to undergo knee surgery, and then they will determine the severity in the surgery. So he underwent an MRI on Monday night. So this is a follow-up on our breaking news or our news segment from earlier. Surgery for McCarthy. Looked so good, dude. The baby may need to be sacrificed over a longer period of time. That's unfortunate. But a meniscus injury is also not, you know, we're not talking a...

uh, a catastrophic ACL tears. No, no, it's not that, but you, if, if memory is serving me right, like there, you can have a meniscus surgery that can take you out for the year that like that happened to, to Irv Smith. And then you can have ones where it's almost like they're snipping it. And then it's just like Larry Fitzgerald did where he missed like two, three weeks. Yeah. Yeah. So it, I guess we sit back and wait for which surgery he gets. That is a,

Big time bummer. Yeah. All right, back to the turd. So anyway, he's the number two guy on the team. And last year, while it was his sophomore year, it was his first year as a starting tight end in the NFL for the Cowboys where David Njoku is heading into – I believe it's year 22. Yeah.

He's only 20 years old, though. Yeah, he's amazing. David Njoku's still young for a tight end, but it's just... He was drafted at 12 years old. We haven't seen it where his first year being the starter, he was the tight end eight, and I think he can improve from there. He left a ton on the field. If you look at what his expected touchdown rate should have been for the amount of red zone work he received, and Dak has always used his tight end this way, so Dak's

number one tight end while they don't have a clear alpha wide receiver two like when it was Cooper and Lamb together there's there's a good role here now this still falls into the same category like when I say that I lean more on the side that David Njoku is not going to be great not going to be that tight end one with with Watson I'm not out on Njoku or out on Ferguson I like both but they are in the same category to me of like I just don't care that much about the this level of tight end I

I want to view this as a streaming position. Tight ends are one of the best positions to like,

actually get a lot of points based on matchup and playing the matchup. I mean, we forget that it wasn't just the Flacco thing for Njoku, but we knew that his upcoming schedule against the tight end was like he played like the six worst defenses against tight end in a row. So Ferguson falls into that category for me. I like him. He's got upside with the touchdowns. He led all tight ends, 25 targets in the red zone. Yeah. Talk about a different kind of player than Njoku from an athletic profile. Oh, yeah. But

He's, you know, like Njoku's off the charts in all of the major explosiveness and quickness and speed. Ferguson's not bad. He's just, he prototypes as a touchdown-dependent, potentially great red zone target on a great offense and should not be ignored. Do you, Andy, you're more in on Njoku than we are. Who do you feel like has the better probability of hitting 10 touchdowns?

Jake Ferguson. Okay. Yeah, I am really trying. I mean, in this conversation, all the conversations on the offseason, I'm trying to like wash away any bias I have from, like I jumped on the back of David Njoku last

and rode that stallion. It's a strong man. I rode that stallion into a championship. He didn't even feel you. That's how strong that man is. I know. He had no clue I was there. He was a fly on his back. But, I mean, like middle of last year with the schedule, and, again, part of the in-season tools that we provide is the strength of schedule and the projections of where weaknesses are at tight end, and it takes time to accumulate that. You cannot go into the year –

and project every defense from last year to have the same weaknesses. It always changes. So it takes two or three weeks. It'd be a lot easier. Yeah, it takes two or three weeks at least to identify it, normally four or five, to get real meaningful data. And then you make those midseason adjustments, and both Njoku and Ferguson fit into that category of, one, if you take them, don't stay hyper-committed if it's not working out. And in Jason's case, maybe it's just not worth the mid-round commitment if you can take a shot somewhere else, and if you like...

an upside talent later uh we need to move on to uh a chaotic number number eight kyle pitts yeah this is the one i said incorrectly was seven this is the interesting one who's taking the shot on a nice misdirection yeah i mean kyle pitts is it's all about embracing the chaos if you take kyle pitts it's not he's a fifth round pick i mean that's gonna make it hard to do

He could be the best pick in the draft. Can he be the number one tight end? Yeah. No. I want to say yes. Man. What if you said no? I'm going to say no. Yeah, that's what I would do. Man. Because otherwise you're the guy who said yes to that. And that's not – I mean, Kyle Pitts is –

It's a new offense, new quarterback. 1,000 yards as a rookie. Yeah. 1,000. I know. But he couldn't turn left last year. You know, you saw that in his film. Like, he was still struggling with the knee. So if he's fully healthy. I can't turn left. He had fewer yards the last two years combined. Oh.

than his rookie season yeah and you you really felt it you saw he didn't look that great I can't turn left we're still hung up on and I guess I just don't know if it's rightfully hung up like

He is not yet 24 years old. This is a young, young player who genuinely is the best tight end prospect I've ever seen. Who among us wouldn't want to be the one that drafted him and got what you wanted? Oh, man. That's the tantalizing prospect of Kyle Pitts. He could be a league winner. For where he's going, he's being drafted, you know, as whatever the – is he really being drafted as the tight end six? Yeah, he is. Man.

And right now we all have him below that. We have him at seven. I have him at seven. Mike at eight, Jason at nine. But I would like to pay the Njoku price. I would be comfortable with that risk. He's looking back, just trying to remember. I know injuries play into it, but as a rookie, he had Matt Ryan. He had a great quarterback.

And then he's had just pure trash. If you watched Desmond Ritter play preseason football, you might not know how trash it was, but it was trash. And it comes down to Kirk Cousins and your belief in the recovery of his Achilles and the new coaching philosophy. Kyle Pitts is a very difficult player because the emotional destruction of the last two years from Kyle Pitts has been immense for

But he is, like, he, you want to find athleticism in a tight end, you're not going to find more than Kyle Pitts. And you ask about the offense and the pecking order, because usually to be a very good, a high-end tight end that is great for fantasy, you have to be either the number one target for the offense or the number two target for the offense. It doesn't work if you're beyond that. And are you scared of Darnell Mooney? That's the thing. It's like, who's the number two target in this offense? Obviously, it's Drake London, number one. And then it very well could be Kyle Pitts. He could be.

he can achieve that role whereas you know that that's where when we talk about Kittle it's a little harder because of all the people in front of him I you know if Pitts were to slide in a draft if you're in a draft where nobody is a believer and he's falling to the eighth round I will take a shot because I see the path for high high upside but I'm passing by him and I mean I haven't I have zero shares of him right now in the fifth this price is not I'm not doing it wait so if I'm

Kyle Pitts is being drafted before George Kittle? Yeah, and that's just... No, no, no, no, no, no. That's incorrect? Is that what you were going to say? Yeah, no, that's just flat out wrong. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll take a break and talk about George Kittle in a minute.

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All right, you guys just reacted to the fact that our number seven tight end is being drafted behind Kyle Pitts. Number seven. This is a travesty. That would be George Kittle. I'd draft him before Kyle Pitts. Yeah, Mike has him at five. Jason at seven. I'm at nine. I'm moving him up. We all want the dust to settle.

You could move him up and then Ayuk stays. And then your opinion will revert. It isn't... It's actually the next tight end we're going to talk about that I would personally much rather have Kittle over who we currently have at six. Oh. So... Yeah, okay. We'll get there. I mean...

Just lump them together then. Yeah, number six. Number six. Evan Ingram. We can talk about them both at the same time. Yeah, so. Who I have higher. I believe we've got him as the Mark of the Beast. I believe we all have him at tight end six, which is. How many Mark of the Beast references do you try to get into a show? Jason's favorite. However many there are. I can't stop seeing the beast.

He's everywhere. If I see it, I say it. I call it out. See something, say something. Okay? Even when it has to do with the beast. Look, I was only a piece of it, okay? I'm only one of the six. Didn't you say you were going to change? I am. I'm changing. So he's no longer going to be Mark of the Beast. Kyle, are you actually tracking it?

Kyle just made that up. Okay, all right. Kyle said 39 times. Don't do that, Kyle. When you say stuff, I believe it. Let us know when he hits 666 on the references. The mark of the beast at the mark of the beast. Squared.

Okay, so George Kittle and Evan Ingram. Let's talk about those two guys and whether they should be drafted in that higher range area. Here's the thing with George Kittle. George Kittle, I always want to say he's going to be inconsistent because his lows are low. When they have a game plan that is not his, he can go out there and score 1.4 fantasy points, 0.6 fantasy points, 3.4. He's a blocker that game.

But also, he is unbelievably great. And if you look back at the last three years, he's been the tight end four, the tight end three, the tight end five. Top five all three years. And then you do have the built-in, like maybe Brandon Ayuk does get traded. I'm in the opposite camp for sure. I want slow and steady. Give me the tortoise.

Evan Ingram was the tight end two last year. They lose Calvin Ridley. They don't know what they have in Brian Thomas yet. They don't have Zay Jones. I am all about getting the steadiness of Evan Ingram as opposed to the occasional Superman performances from George Kittle. Kittle had three times last year. He was the number one overall on a week. That's not Evan Ingram's game normally.

But the volume is just outrageous. So I am on the Ingram side, Mike. How do you weigh in? I have Kittle just one spot ahead of – because I don't have the numbers in front of me. We'll see if we can pull those up. Jason, is that your phone? No. What? Was what my phone, Mike? No.

I couldn't let that one go. It was too long. Some other shows may edit. Some other shows may hide. But we shame here on the Fantasy Footballers. I have no idea what you're talking about. And why is your laptop ringing? Why do you have your laptop set to ring like a phone? I don't know how to make my laptop stop calling. When I get a phone call, it comes through my laptop. How do I turn that feature off? Do you pick it up and hold it up like a phone? Hello?

I'm in the cinema. Hello?

Oh, man. Yeah, no, someone after the show, show me how to turn that feature off on my laptop. It's so stupid. Why do you do that, Apple? No one wants to answer a phone call on their laptop. We always say if somebody doesn't mute something and a sound comes through that you get slimed like Nickelodeon, like it drops from the rafters. If we had that, that would be so fantastic. What I was going to bring up was since Brock Purdy has been the quarterback

George Kittle had a couple games, of course, last year, but he was, let's see, he's a B in consistency for us. Same as Evan Ingram, despite all those targets. And his upside is just, it's greater than Evan Ingram. Ingram is not a touchdown guy. It's not part of it. And the concerns of when he went turbo-

over the second half of last year talking about Evan Ingram. It aligned perfectly with when Christian Kirk missed time because Kirk can take those underneath routes as well. So that's where the tiebreaker is for me. No, look, it makes sense. If you're in a PPR... No, you have historically hated him and I've always loved him. How dare you?!

That's exactly, if you go back to the archives, mute, and then play them on mute, you will hear that. Just under 40% of Evan Ingram's total points last year came in three games.

He had that outrageously high 27-point game where he had the multiple touchdowns. He basically had three monstrous weeks, but he had a lot of that season where he was just not that great for fantasy. It's fair. I mean, it's a really weird situation between the two because he literally almost doubled George Kittle's receptions.

Like Kittle's at 65, Ingram was at 114, and yet you're right. I mean, it is a different recipe. And maybe the steadiness of Ingram is not what you're looking for. It just depends on, like, what's the draft cost difference? It's about a round different. Like if Ingram slipped into the seventh round and I can get that instead of paying for Kittle, that's just my personal conviction. These names are why I think it's important for the Foot Clan out there. I think you should get one of the next –

five we're talking about. And just real quick, too, because Evan did finish as the tight end two in a half-point scoring format with 173 points.

Georgie Porgie was tight end five with 170 points, and he didn't play in week 18. Georgie Porgie? If Kittle had played the final week of the season and given one of his vintage garbage performances, he probably would have finished as the tight end two. Well, and not only that, but Evan Ingram in that final week, wasn't that the week where they were manufacturing him, trying to get him the record? So a lot of his fantasy points when he was the tight end one that week were like, Look, I will not.

Stand for this Engram horse garbage. Time is a flat circle. It is. Number five. All right, we're going to blitz these top five because you know the names and just say something interesting about them and we'll go through them. Dalton Kincaid comes in at number five. Four for Jason and I. Mike at seven. There are a lot of questions in the offense in terms of... What are you, eyeing my number seven? Yeah. Yeah.

Yes, I am. He's looking down upon you with his...

haughty eyes. I do not. Unless George Kittle has an outlier touchdown season, I don't see these five not finishing these five, barring injury. They're established to me. It's a huge tier break. Do you see what he sees? No, Mike does not. I think that Kittle is fine. Or not Kittle, I'm sorry. Dalton Kincaid is... The ADP is fine. If you want to take the chance that he really is the number one guy

for Josh Allen, then he will pay off massively. But if he just is kind of mixed in and he's sort of the leader of the passing attack, then it will just be an okay pick. Number four. He's on the back wall today. Trey McBride comes in at number four. He is my number three tight end. Jason's five. And Mike's?

Number one overall tight end for the year. We ride for McBride. You are on the Trey McRide. It was such an impressive end to the season for Trey McBride. Ended the year 81 for 825 and 3. Didn't have target competition in the offense. He does now. Second year of Michael Wilson and then obviously Marvin Harrison and Zay Jones and

the human dork. But McBride has got his role in this offense. It's just a matter of how high will he go. Yep. One is a very aggressive projection and ranking for Trey McBride. I will not back down. It's as aggressive as a ranking can get. Yeah. I'm not going to say that it's not a lock. Yeah, for sure. But it's just that's where my numbers ended up because, look, he was –

He came through to be the player that they thought they had drafted. It just took a little bit of time, as it does for most tight ends. Last year, he was second among tight ends in yards per route run, was getting a huge target share. Yeah, if Marv eats into the target share, that's fine because the offense will be better. Far more scoring opportunities, far more opportunities for actual red zone targets, and they designed screens for the guy. He is...

He is a full, well-rounded pass catcher who is not just, I'm going to catch it and fall down. No, I'm going to make a really strong, aggressive catch, and then I'm going to try and yak. From weeks 10 on, which are the Kyler Murray weeks last year, obviously no Marv there yet, but he was on a 17-game pace with Kyler of 112 receptions. That is outlandish. So close to Ingram. Except...

the athleticism and the tackle breaking ability to do something with it. There's another stray. Just, this is worked it in. It's worked it in. All right. So McBride at four. Number three. Andrews comes in at three. Jason and Mike have him at two. I got him at five right now. It's just a little bit of a lack of, of confidence on the week to week of what Baltimore's offense is going to be. But Andrews has been as consistent. Like it's,

Other than saying that this guy has dealt with injury, which has happened, you can't really hold any argument against him from a consistency standpoint. Even in the games he played last year, he didn't take a hit on yards per reception. He was still involved. He's always been a touchdown scorer. He's going to be a go-to player around the end zone, and they don't have anybody else. He has hit, since the breakout of year two for Mark Andrews, he's posted double-digit points per game in every single season. He is...

Maybe he's five, but Andrews feels locked in. The only thing that can take Andrews out of this is injury. Yeah, if he's on the field, he's in your lineup, and he's scoring you 10-plus points. That's very rare at the tight end position. Number two. Last year's impressive, shocking, breaking Jason's brain rookie, Sam Laporta, who finished at number one, comes in at number two on our rankings today.

I've got him at two Jason and Mike, both at three. Most receptions as a rookie tied Gronk for the most rookie receiving tight ends. Um, second most tight end first down second, most routes run ever among rookie tight ends. And one thing I'll bring up about Laporta and his chance to repeat, because that is the, the big concern is touchdown regression. Um,

Which could happen. I mean, probabilistically, it... Probabilistically, that is correct. You don't need to say just probably. Probabilistically. But he's trying to get probability in there.

Oh, you're combining? I'm standing by it. I don't mind it. You're standing by probabilistically? Yeah. I stand by it because I know what he means. So it's a word now. Yeah, that's not... If I had said probably, you would not have known what I meant. Yeah, that's weak. I'm saying based on probabilities. Probabilistically is probably with math. Can we get the deuces to weigh in here, Al? It's a word. Thank you. No, it's not. It is. In a way, that is... Thank you. Hit the check. Oh, I got...

I don't even have the check anymore. Yeah, let's go ahead and there we go. I got you. Yeah, I was just using English, Jay. That's a real word. Yeah. Probabilistically? Yeah, because Mike knew exactly what I was talking about. In a way based on or relates to how likely it is that something will happen. It's probably with math in it.

probabilistically that's amazing Andy it's a mouthful yes especially with a fake tooth oh man eat it Jason here's what I was going to get to because we've talked a lot about these players the new insight on the portal to me is the fact that there's still reports from camp that they don't have enough in the receiving game that losing Josh Reynolds is going to be a bigger blow than they expect that Jameson Williams he's explosive but he is not a possession receiver

And so I think Sam Laporta, like the offense doesn't function without him. Like it just doesn't. Like what made them great last year was very, very much connected to what Sam Laporta offers the offense. And there was nothing that you saw that was unrepeatable to me. Like, you know, Rob Gronkowski probabilistically should not have scored double-digit touchdowns as many times as he did. But sometimes – I feel like that one should have been probably. There was no math in there. No, still the same.

There was math in there. The problem is that

Now that's a different word. Problem is another, it's our same letters, but different meaning. Gronk went from 10 to 15 sometimes. He went from 10 to 13 sometimes. So I just don't want to undermine what Laporta did. Like punish him for doing, for breaking records and then saying he's not an outlier. Like that is kind of what happens. You get tight ends that become touchdown machines and

And, you know, I wouldn't want to bet a significant amount of money against Laporta scoring double digits. The problem statistically that I have is that he had 10 touchdowns on 889 yards.

Over the last decade, every single tight end with 10 touchdowns on fewer than 900 yards regressed in touchdown department. All of them. And not like they went from 10 to 9. And not like bums. We're talking about Antonio Gates, Jimmy Graham, multiple times, Mark Andrews, George Kittle. And they've gone from 12 to 5, 12 to 5, 10 to 2, 11 to 2. Like these are... So it's just like...

I worry because of his utilization. I think he's a great player. He's super involved in the offense. He is going to be a very good fantasy asset. However, he's often the first tight end drafted off the board, and I think the touchdown regression based on his utilization and his expectation...

That has me scared at the cost that he won't pay off there because where he's being drafted are obviously the best wide receivers and running backs that you're going to have to sacrifice for a tight end. What was the stat at the top of the tight end section? It was tight end one through three. They finish in the top five 60%. Was it 60? Yeah, it's 60% of the time that they finish top five. Yeah, it's a good bet. I'm not betting against –

Laporta for the season. I'm betting against his ADP of being the first guy drafted, often in the second round. If he finishes as the three where you had to draft him, that will feel disappointing. I think it'll feel fine. I think it'll be disappointing. Travis Kelsey. Number one. Man, it's been a long, long run for Travis Kelsey. 7, 8, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 3.

So if you want a case of a guy finishing at three being disappointing, look no further than what happened to you with Travis Kelsey last year. But he was also a field lapper historically, and that was what you felt as well. And he was like the fifth pick in the draft. Yes. Yeah. And Laporta's going where? Second. 3-0-1. Yeah. Early third, late second. Yeah. Look.

I'm okay. I'm okay with that. With the Laporta ADP? I'm okay with it. Okay. I wasn't okay in the second. I'm okay if it's somewhere in the third. Kelsey's at 302. You know, those guys are back-to-back. I mean...

Yeah, on a per-game basis last year. Not a first-round pick. Sam Laporta was, over the course of the season, was the tight end one. But Travis Kelsey, on a per-game basis, was the tight end one. Right, tight, yeah. Yeah, tight. So he's right there with them. And I do think that there is positive regression coming for the Kansas City Chiefs offense in just the total touchdowns score.

scored offensively that will obviously be a lot to do with Travis Kelsey you know he might be a better value this year than he was last year even if he finishes worse this year than he does last year which I expect I expect him to not be as good as he was last year to still be outstanding so it's just a matter for me I like these top five guys I think all five could have a case to finish as the number one tight end so I'm going to take those second and third round wide receivers and

And in the fourth, fifth round, I'm going to try to grab the value of one of those top guys. One of those guys, that's just my personal strategy. The Dalton Kincaid, Mark Andrews, and Trey McBride. I think they're the best values that are still good because we haven't had this opportunity in recent years. In recent years, it's like there's one or two guys.

and then you've got to punt the position forever. I think there's enough guys where those middle rounds, the higher middle rounds, the fourth and fifth, you've got security there and you're not sacrificing the same running back or wide receiver that you are elsewhere. Andy, for Sam Laporta, because you're cool with the ADP, let's say you're at

208 and so I mean ADP wise you're not slotted for him and the chance of him actually rounding the turn and coming back to you at that point is very low so if you're there and you want Laporta I would gamble on him coming back okay you wouldn't force the issue yeah I'm not going to force the issue and to Jason's point like you do have security in more than one name which is also why you know

If those three through five guys didn't exist, I don't think Kelsey and Laporta are going in the third round.

I think that the demand for them because of the differential would be higher. I mean, Kelsey in the first round, you had to – I mean, talk about expectation differences between 105 and 305. That is a big gap in what you need from them. Yeah, for sure. Two years ago, in 2022, Travis Kelsey was over 15 points a game, and he finished this year at 11.5, which –

in points per game was tied for number one. Like that's,

I can't wait to see what happens. That's a shake-up of the whole tight end market. One thing I will say in favor of Sam Laporta, and it's worth noting, the UDK, we talked about how much changeover there is defensively. You don't always know that last year teams that are bad at tight end are going to be bad at tight end this year. They might have solved for that. That being said, it's still a useful tool to look at for the first three weeks because if you are going to stream the position, look for some guys later. But the combination of

the questionable hamstring right now with Jameer Gibbs, and the Detroit Lions have the second easiest first three games, you could draft Laporta and get off to a really hot start that way. And if you want to just throw out some

Of the other names of the first three weeks, hot starts for your last round type of pick. Number one is Pittsburgh Steelers, so that's Pat Friermuth. Number three, you've got the Patriots with Hunter Henry. Do you guys have any – okay, you listed those guys off, but do you have any 10th round plus tight ends that you're looking at that you feel like can sneak in?

Maybe not top five, but I would say those two guys and then dart throw. It's so, it's so dumb to even bring up the name. Do you want to save it for the My Guy episode? This is the good stuff. Greg Dulcich. Okay. I think he could. He also has a top five schedule in those first three weeks. And that's a team that has not a lot of answers at the

wide receiver position, which is something you're looking for. Also, Greg Dulcich is a tight end for the Denver Broncos, if you don't remember who Greg Dulcich is. I'll just say one name that I think could... It might be the name. It's Brock Bowers. Oh, okay. Brock Bowers is... When you talk about... But he's a seventh rounder. Or later. Or earlier. I mean... He's not making it that far. Okay, 7'10". All right. I was talking about full-on punts.

No, I'm bringing his name up because I didn't want to ignore it on the top 10 tight end show because I do think that there's great potential for Brock Bowers to line up as a wide receiver almost every play and be a constant threat down the field. And so I just, you know, he's 909 on ESPN, Jason. Find me a higher one. I'm just saying he could go either way. So depending on your platform. But like Pitts versus Bowers, that's crazy to me. That's crazy. Really? Why do I want to go on the Pitts ride?

Okay, let me make the argument for you. Right now you're talking about a not-rookie tight end who historically tight ends, even the greatest, aren't great. They're rookie year with the sole exception of Sam Laporta and maybe Evan Ingram, if you want to throw that out there, or go all the way back to Jeremy Shockey. Dalton Kincaid's performance last year would have outperformed Pitt's, but go on. Also, you're talking about...

The quarterback position of Gardner Minshew and Aiden O'Connell throwing behind Devontae Adams versus. Yeah, you can have Pitts, dude. Oh, yeah. He's yours. Pitts versus Bowers. Oh, yeah. He's all yours. Pitts versus Bowers bet. For sure. How much money do you want? $1,000. Water bet. Yeah, we'll figure out. I said, speaking of platform, this is, I have to say this.

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