Vittoria's Secret: Wednesday, October 16th, 2024
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Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to the shows and happy Wednesday! Oh yeah, oh, I knew I was feeling like a little... A little humpy in your dumpy? Let's get it on!

No, I'm feeling more appreciative for the Wednesday because, alas, it feels like a Tuesday. Hence. So true. It is a Wednesday and we're getting over the hump. And what's so great for everyone listening is that we have such a long episode today because, like, actually a lot to discuss. We have dear toasters. So by the time you're done with this episode, like, the day literally will be over. The week will be more than halfway over. And that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

Are you someone who looks at the week half full or half empty? It really depends on what I'm going through that week. Like, if I'm feeling grateful for life, you know, and there are some weeks where I just, like, I'm happy. And, like, I, yeah, I have a lot to do and the weeks are long, but, like, I'm alive and I'm, you know, knock wood healthy. Like, but then there are some weeks where I hate everyone, everything, and just myself. Like, and I...

Yeah. And this week? Did you say? Well, I wouldn't say I'm feeling like so... Did you make your stance clear? No, I wouldn't say I'm feeling like so grateful and blessed this week. Like it's not one of those weeks. But I'm not feeling like depressed. Murderous. Yeah. Murderous, turderous. It's somewhere in the middle. Okay. That's great. What about you? That's great. Um...

As in this week or weeks in general? Oh my God, this week. This week is great because it's a short week. We cannot feel anything other than blessed for the short week and the big weekend coming up. And I'm so glad my Travi made it to the big game. One step closer to Kelsey being my last name. Can you send me that audio file? How do I find that song?

Somewhere on the web, like the full version actually does exist. What's it called? Fortnite AI's version. Is that the same tune as Fortnite? No, but when she released the track list. Oh wait, no. I'm sorry. No, no, that's something else. I'm getting my AI versions confused. When she released a track list, like a leaked Fortnite came out and it was like,

AI. Got it. Okay. I'll do some due diligence. I don't know the actual origin stories. I just know. And I don't know who exactly. It would be like a full like expose on this person. Like, I don't know who generated the AI song. I don't know like that deep. I just know somebody made it online. I don't know who did it, but do more.

But I know the boys who did it. Even though Taylor literally hates AI in music, she was just saying that. Oh, wait. And I feel like she was literally talking about that song. Did you see Cynthia Erivo's Instagram story about AI today?

Not about AI. Oh yeah, because people were like doctoring the Wicked poster. So they released their like official Wicked poster, which is like a recreation of the iconic one where it's like Glinda whispering into the ear of Alphaba and Alphaba's hat is like a little like turned down. Like it's like iconic. Turned down for what? Yeah.

And they recreated it. And like, I'm not going to lie. I'm really excited for the movie. And like, I thought it stunk. It looked like seriously, it looked wrong. They didn't, they put their own spin on it. So it wasn't the exact hand placement of the OG. I don't know. It just looked kind of weird. And so people like fixed it. Like they made it how they wanted it to be on AI. And then of course they made memes because in the...

In the poster, it looks like Alpha, I mean, Glinda is whispering a secret to Glinda. And so the meme that's going around. I'm sorry. Glinda's whispering a secret to Alpha. And the meme that's going around is like Ariana Grande whispering to Alpha, is your pussy green? Yeah.

So Cynthia Erivo like made a post about like all the AI generated ones. Like, and then she said, is your asterisk, asterisk, asterisk green. Like basically saying stop. Like she found them really offensive. Like she made an intentional choice not to look. Cause in the poster, she's like looking at us. She's looking camp right in the eye.

In the poster And in the OG She's sort of like Looking down Okay And so like They made a few And like Ariana's hand Is a little different They made a few choices To make it their own And like people hate it Like they really hate it Okay And Cynthia Erivo Was like stop using AI And deep fakes Like it's so disrespectful Everyone Including Cynthia Like needs to calm down On this Like first of all People

who are mad that she's looking camp right in the eye and that Ari's hand is not like the original poster, calm down. Like hands move, eyes look in different places. People change. Not a big deal. You don't need to like go and change the poster. Now that is not a funny joke. I feel like I'm in a classroom, a teacher, like in second grade. That is not funny to write that on that picture. I think it is funny, sorry. Like I guess...

what the internet does what's crazy to me I didn't see any of this except for Cynthia Erivo's post Instagram telling everyone to stop I think it's like so crazy that Cynthia Erivo like posted about this yeah I think that like this is maybe her first time being involved in a project that is

so global and so mainstream. Like for Ariana Grande, everything she does becomes like an internet meme. It becomes huge news. I think up until now, Cynthia Erivo like really hasn't been in something that has captured the culture so widely. And it could be a lot. Like when people are like,

like making deep fake images of you. Like it's jarring, of course. I have to see these deep fake images. I'll send them to you. I mean, some of them are just harmless, but she still really doesn't like anyone like changing her eyes or like her intentional choices, like with the hat and the eyes. She's like upset at. She doesn't want it. Okay. I won't do it. Yeah, it was, I was shocked to see like her addressing like Twitter. I won't do it.

Yeah, Jackie, if you could stop making deep fake AIs of Cynthia Erivo, I would appreciate it. And I know Ariana would too. I'll try my best, but I can't stop making deep fake AIs of tailored songs. I know you can't. And I won't. We have an amazing show today. Let me tell you why. One, we're together, period. Per-uge. Classic toast. It's Wednesdays.

It's a classic slice. Dear Toasters, we have some hilarious submissions today. Dear Toasters is our weekly advice segment. So every Wednesday, Jackie and I will take three submissions. You can write to us via email, deartoasters at gmail.com. Or you can head over to our website, thetoastpodcast.com slash tour. Not me like hockey tickets. Sure. Also. You can go there too. And

And also when you're on toastpodcast.com slash tour, like you could click the homepage and get to Dear Toasters that way. The toastpodcast.com, there's a submission box. They're both totally anonymous. You can write in about anything and we try to help the girlies out. And today's submissions are really unique. So I'm excited to get into that. I think the stories are really good. The stories are good. The big story of the day is Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, which I have so much to say. I watched the whole thing. Did you?

Of course. I watched it live. I felt like really accomplished that I watched the whole thing. I just want to say, like, shout out, because I have critiques. I have legitimate critiques. I have illegitimate critiques. But I want to say my number one, like, credit, like, thank you to whoever decided to make the program 30 minutes long. Like, I...

I was done with it and I was like eating dinner. I'm like, okay, I'm ready for bed. It was 7.45. I was getting bored, but I was like, let me see how much more I have left because if it's so much, like forget it. And it was like 15 minutes. I was like, Parji, I'll watch till the end. And I'm glad I did for today's recap, but I was also able to read my book afterwards. I finished my book last night, Long Island Compromise, go me. And? Um,

It's good. It's not for everyone. It's like definitely very chewy. But I liked some of the overall themes and the way that it ended. It wasn't about the ending for me. Like, I feel like she kind of didn't know how to end it, but it wasn't like I was like waiting. How is it going to end? I just...

I don't know. It was one of those just like it was kind of a weird book, but I'm glad that I read it because it's something. It's my 14th book of the year. Womp, womp, womp. By the way, you're ahead of me. I literally have read like three books this year. It's insane. Did anyone in your book club finish Long Island Compromise? I don't think so. Not even the person who chose it. Who chose it? Abe. I could see him choosing it.

Wait, I also did wanna say the "Tell Me Lies" season finale dropped today slash last night or whatever. I've heard it's amazing. I'm gonna watch it today. We'll do official recap tomorrow. - Okay, I'm so excited. - People are saying like it is shook-worthy. - Even though it's my favorite show, I'm kind of like relieved that it's a season finale because- - It gives me anxiety. - No, and like, it's so perfect. I'm like, okay, one more episode. It's going to remain perfect. Like they're not dragging it out. - Yeah, it's so true. - Like, oh wow.

It's ending like this was a perfect season and so I'm really excited and there's so many theories that people commented on our episode from last week that I think are true and I do hope they come to fruition today even though I don't think that they would. I think it's a long term play. I will get into all of it tomorrow. I just want to say like that is something I'm currently looking forward to. Me as well and then I'm going to start another book. Oh wow. I'm a librarian. For another book club I'm in.

It's a first meeting. It's the inaugural, so. What is it? You and your neighbors? Not neighbors. Not like, not next door neighbors. But I guess like community. Yeah, you and your community. No, but it's not my community. It's like, it's extended community. I understand. I understand. It's extended. Um...

So like what else do we need to talk about before we talk about like what I'm dying to talk about which is the Victoria's Secret fashion show. Like I actually took notes like a nerd. I was going to write down my thoughts but I felt so strong I was like girl trust yourself like you can remember because like. Trust yourself. Because they're just at the top of my brain. I think I can remember them. Just really briefly and I don't want to like get into it so deeply because like personally I.

Like I need to protect myself, but I just wanted to update everyone from yesterday. Like I did go to the DMV and I did do what I needed to do. It was a worse experience than I could have possibly imagined. And the man who ended up helping me, like after being turned away by so many people and being yelled at by so many people and like not being helped by so many people, Anthony ended up coming to my rescue. And he did give me a good tip that I do want to share with people. He was like never come into the DMV on a Monday or Friday.

and because Monday was Indigenous slash Columbus Day he was like today's basically a Monday and I've never seen it this busy and you're dumb for coming today he said if you came tomorrow aka right now empty okay so that's just my that's my tidbit don't go after a federal holiday and don't go on a Monday or Friday um and also don't go looking normal this

This was my major takeaway from the DMV because like I felt so taken advantage of and I'm so polite. Like not that I'm like naturally saying I'm like polite, but you know, when you're at the DMV or somewhere like that, like your kindness will get you places. You catch your flies with honey at the DMV. That's not true. Okay. I was so like nice and normal and like sound of mind and I didn't have headphones in. Like I was too approachable.

First of all, I got walked all over. Yeah. Second of all, my fellow like DMV customers, like everybody was asking me things. Like I fucking work there. Like don't talk to me. And it was just so unpleasant. I was like,

And there was some like, you know, you know the DMV. It's full of characters. And it's New York too. And it was like Penn Station. It was like real, real eclectic bunch. Nobody was talking to like the crazy looking people. I needed to like seriously start barking at people because I was far too sane and sound of mind. And like I looked so like, I looked capable. Like I'm on my phone. I'm a young person. Like I obviously know how to use technology, the TV with the numbers. Like I was far too...

too sane for this place. Like everyone wanted a piece of me. And because you weren't insane they weren't trying to get rid of you. You know maybe if you started talking to yourself a little bit.

Oh and I had to take a picture which I wasn't going to be told that I needed to and so they called me up first to like do the picture and then you have to wait in another line for like the actual ID and he gave me like no warning no nothing and like I think I looked I was just like. That's the thing about the DMV you don't get ready you have to stay ready. I know and I wasn't because I was already feeling so flustered by the experience. What smile did you go with?

I went with my like cheesy smile, but like I have this new thing. You hit him with the teeth? Of course, where I smile so hard. So every time I smile, I have to like, right as I'm smiling, I need to remember like chill. Dial it down. Yeah, and so like I unclench a little bit. I actually think I did a good smile. And then Anthony, I was like, can you show me the picture? And he was like, I'm not allowed, but you look great. You have a beautiful smile. Slay. Okay, Anthony. You can call me Mrs. DMV.

Mrs. Anthony. It was really horrible. And just knowing that like, I left there and I was like, I will not pay my next tax bill. Like, it was so disheartening to know that like, this is my fault, you know? Like, as a taxpayer, what am I doing? I'm not doing it anymore. I was so mad. Oh my God. Like, I had to, it took me, I got home and like took a bath. I had to like actually unwind from the experience. It was so upsetting. If I may lead us out in song.

An AI generated one. I'm so glad my auntie made it to the DMV. One step closer to getting my real ID. I love that. And let me just say this. What's the lesson, right? What's the lesson? What is the takeaway? Don't mess with Turdy when she's on a breakaway. And the tapestry here in Turd's skin is a map of the victory she wins. Look what she does. I make everything happen. Look at me, me, me, me. Ta, ta, ta, ta.

What can I say? What's the lesson, right? What is the takeaway? My takeaway is this. Because I was left with such a profound impact. Mostly negative. Overwhelmingly negative. But Anthony, like really... You always find a guy. I know. I'm such a flirt. Then there was Mark. Then there was Frank. Then there was Tom. Yep. Yep.

When I got up to his desk, I immediately knew he had a warm spirit to him.

And I could tell that like this was going to be a pleasant experience and he got me in and out as quickly as he could. And I just think that real grace and kindness, like it goes a truly long way. Even though you just said the opposite. I know. I mean from a DMV employee, nobody else like. Oh yeah, for sure. And you're probably like working in the wrong place if you've got a positive can-do attitude. Yeah, because then the other person who like, they skipped my number. I really don't want to get into it, but like. We're not getting into it because that's the only thing I could like personally.

prolong your experience. Make it worse. I know. We just have to leave it in the past. Okay, but I just want to say, like, they skipped my number and, like, I went over to the, like, help desk. I'm like, oh, hello, they skipped my number. They literally, I'm 103. They went from 101 to 104. I'm like, me and number two, like, we got, we got screwed.

And like, she was so mean and her solve was to tell me to get into like, she pointed to one of the lines, the longest line. I'm like, so you skipped my number and I have to wait in this line? Like, okay, you know what? I'm getting angry again. I don't wanna talk about it. - 'Cause we all have to go to the DMV at a time in our lives. - Yeah. - So no need to spend more time at the DMV in our minds.

Agreed. It's a slippery slope. Once you start talking about it, you have to then go into the whole experience. Oh, and my coccidinia was really, really flaring up. The seats were so uncomfortable. It wasn't an accessible environment? No, and so when they called my number, I couldn't even get up. It took me like 35 seconds. My ass was killing me. Now I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. Okay, we're moving on. Let's start. Let's go. Okay, let's get into the Fast Five stories that you need to know.

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Thank you to the turt down menu that follows. You're welcome. Jert down menu that follows. Our first story, Victoria's Secret Fashion Show is back after a six-year hiatus. Victoria's Secret Fashion Show returned this year. The show went down in New York City last night. And the girlies were on display. So I have so much to say about the show, the set, the music, the outfits, everything. And I want to get into that. Now, I know everyone's like so tired of hearing me talk about this, but like I could not enjoy this.

the show I was watching and I actually was like enjoying with you know I was thinking what I'm going to say on the toast the next day and I will get into all of that but like I would be absolutely remiss if I didn't acknowledge like the fucking slap in the face when I saw Bella Hadid closing that show like Gigi Hadid is like

I don't know. I don't know why I like give her a pass. Like I can ignore her like blatant anti-Semitism. Her sister. They post different stuff. But she posts really bad stuff. But like when you compare it to her sister, it's like Gigi is Jewish like compared to Bella. Like it's insane. Like Bella is so atrocious to me. Like I find her so personally offensive.

offensive and I'm not even like easily offended and just to see like her have this moment it was such a slap in the face when it's been so clear that in the last year like so many brands have distanced themselves from Bella Hadid like she used to be the face you go to an airport she'd be all over duty free that's not the case anymore nobody really wants to be associated with that type of like hatred right she's so controversial like it's such a stark choice to have her in the show to have her close the show and that Gigi opened it and she closed it it's like fuck you Jews

No, I was so upset. Like, I was so shocked to see her there. They didn't announce that she was going to be there. And I don't know. It was so, it was, like, deeply offensive to me. I couldn't get over it. And it ruined the whole experience for me because I was, like, enjoying it up until that point. And, like, I think, like, there's room in everything for different people with different opinions on stuff. But, like, Bella Hadid is so different to me. Like, she is such, she has said things

The most vile things, like on par with worse things than like actual terrorists. Like, you know, the hostages. Yeah, don't forget she was excited that the hostage said that Hamas had baked him a cake for his birthday only to taunt him with it. But she said, look, he baked him a cake. Like she is pro hostage taking when like literally Hirsch Goldberg's mom has just like said exactly what her son went through after being hostage for 10 months and being shot right in the fucking head.

She told us that they were kept in tunnels underground with no oxygen, no water, no food, no bathroom. They were emaciated by the time that they were killed, malnourished, starved and tortured. And like, this is something Bella Hadid champions. I'm like, I'm sorry, I can't talk about the show.

without talking about how upset that made me. Like it's, it was such a choice and it was so intentional and like not only to like put her in there but like make it a big thing at the end, like the final walk before Tyra. - When there were so many icons in the show, like when I saw her at the end, I was like, oh, why is she only walking once? Did I miss her earlier? And then I realized it was like, she was closing it, but it's like, there's Adriana Lima, there's Candace Swampland, there's all these angels throughout the years. - Who built that brand.

many icons they could have picked it was such a choice and a random one at that because it's not even she's not associated with not an iconic victorious secret person actually one of my critiques was that there was too much talent and that we didn't get to see like our girls they were on screen I mean justice for Jasmine Tewks who literally got cut out of the show and she's everyone's favorite my biggest critique is the camera work because it was so

so terrible. They were missing all the big moments. They were capturing someone as they're turning around. We missed their strike and pose. Even when they see the strike and pose, it wasn't punched in enough. It was shit. Not, I feel like I sound like one of those people that like complains about like the plot line in a porno, but the camera work at the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show was atrocious. So they didn't need her. And so it really was a choice. And I just,

I'm going to talk about the show and I have really positive things to say overall. But like, to me, that was such a miss and such a slap in the face. And of course, like now, you know, her fans are mad at her because Victoria's Secret is a brand that operates and like has factories in Israel. So it's like, she's also a fraud. One of their biggest manufacturers is an Israeli company. They actually opened two, like,

Like, honestly, slay Victoria's Secret. They opened two stores in Israel this year, like, during the war. Slay the house down boots supporting the Israeli economy. So she's also a fraud. Yeah, I think that speaks to Bella not even knowing what she stands for. And also the fact that, like, Victoria's Secret corporate is very different than Victoria's Secret, like, marketing, entertainment division of, like, let's do this show and throw all these different things at it.

So I just wanted to say that, like, sorry to, like, get all serious, but it had to be said because it really, like, I was shocked. It hit me right to my core and I was like, oh, it's ruined. So there's that. And, like, this is, I'm sorry, this is a person who has literally admitted openly on a podcast that she's not allowed in the homes of her Jewish friends anymore. Like, please, and I don't know, would she say that as, like, a slay? I don't know. I think she wanted us to, like, feel bad for her because of how brave she is. I'm not just saying that, like, you know, if you don't agree with me, you can't be in the Victoria's Secret. Like, it's so stupid. I'm pretty sure, like, everyone in the show, like...

Diversity. By the way, they had an Israeli model. Like diversity of opinion is really, I embrace it. Sure. What Bella Hadid does is so damaging and so different. Supporting terror, I don't embrace it.

No, I'm not like, I'm seriously like, it's not just like me. I don't agree with it. I don't want, no, like seriously, she's such a dangerous person. And I was personally offended. So, but I want to move on because I actually have other notes. And for the most part, I enjoyed, like it did bring back this sense of nostalgia. Now when it comes to like actual like production, I have a lot of critiques, but I just want to say like overall, I actually really enjoyed it. Like it was fun. It was back like it used to be. Like I really, I thought they captured like the nostalgia of it all.

Overall, I was excited to watch it because I was like sitting there like waiting to see what would wash over me. Like what sort of feeling like we're back or this or that. And I felt mostly confused. I'm like, what?

What are we doing here? Aside from the fact that it's called the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, like there was nothing Victoria's Secret about it in terms of like, what are you selling? There used to be like the pink segment, the lingerie segment. Like I thought that the costumes were pretty ugly. There were some better ones, but overall there was some like really ugly stuff, some really ugly wings. It wasn't gargi pargi. No, the wings were not winging. Some of the people who are wearing like leggings outfits were so ugly looking. The outfits were like Adriana Lima's outfit, like...

- Not a cute outfit. It doesn't make me wanna shop at Victoria's Secret. - When you wanna talk about Tyra Banks's outfit, like we will talk about it. - Tyra Banks's outfit was so- - She deserved better than that. - Not pargy.

She was wearing black leggings. Right. To the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. It was a lot of like really bad fashion. And so it just made me wonder, like, are we trying to sell clothes here? We're not doing a good job. This is for Victoria's Secret. Like, what are you guys up to these days? There was no one was even like in the past, there used to be packages, which was actually my least favorite part. But like they told a story. Explain. They just like had Tyra narrating at the top, like this show, all women. So I guess that means like only women work behind the scenes. I think I'm just trying to piece together because they didn't really like tell us anything. What about talk about like

they kept saying, we're back. Where'd you go? What happened? It's been six years. Like what's everyone up to? It just sort of like did nothing. I thought that the runway was really ugly and terrible. Like there wasn't a runway. It was so industrial. That's so not Victoria's Secret. It was so industrial. That's so not Victoria's Secret. All the like squares on the runway where people like kept popping up. Like we don't need people to pop up. It's

making your runway ugly. Did you see Dootson? Like her foot got caught in that thing. Her shoe fell off. Yeah. And it was just like a very ugly stage that people coming up out of the ground, like we didn't need that and it ruined the stage. Yeah. The whole like warehouse thing

industrial vibe. It's a certain aesthetic. It happens to be one of my least favorite aesthetics, but that doesn't mean that it's bad. But it's so not Victoria's Secret. Victoria's Secret is like plush, glamorous. And I felt like where was the actual, like there was a physical runway, which I think was a huge miss. Agreed. And when like the lights went down, everything was like so Matrix-y, but it's not even like that was the theme of the show, like futuristic. And there usually is a theme. I didn't think like the themes were,

Were that like good or well articulated? There was like red at the end. There was some like midnight vibes. My overall like biggest issue with the show was the music selection. What did you think of the performers? I thought they were all bad choices, except honestly, Tyla Slade. Like she, and I liked that like, is that Lisa from Blackpink? Yeah.

I like that, like, she literally looked like a model. Tyler, too. I was like, oh, are you a model or a singer? But I think when you look back on, like, the performers of yore, like, nobody last night did anything on par with, like, Rihanna, Bruno Mars, Jay-Z, and Kanye, Taylor Swift and Fall Out Boy. But they weren't having any men.

Okay, fine. But I don't care. I'm just saying like I knew one song. Yeah. I mean, honestly, Katy Perry should have performed. 1,000%. Woman's World. The music wasn't pussy pop. And I actually thought the performers were all good choices. But the songs as they were. And maybe my TV was on low. Just like not wake anyone up. But yeah.

Still, I don't feel like the girls were like dancing around to the songs or like having a lot of fun with the songs. Lisa's song Moonlight, just repeating that one line over like Paris Moonlight, like was seriously like irritating to me. Where are the other lines from Kiss Me, that song? You know it? Yeah, you're talking about like Kiss Me? Yes, but she kept saying, what about Green Green Grass? All she kept saying was, kiss me under the Paris Moonlight on repeat 100 times. I was going to lose my mind.

I'm sorry, I actually don't think any of them were good choices. Like, I don't think the songs were recognizable enough. And no one is going to like what I have to say when it comes to Cher.

It did absolutely nothing for me, first of all. But that was the first time people were, the models were singing along. Oh, well, that's the other thing I wanted to say. I felt like they, well, because nobody knew the music. Right, right. So at least Cher had recognizable songs. No, Cher's songs are great. But when it comes to Cher, like, and I have, I was texting with Shannon the whole time we were like talking about it. Oh, you should have added me. Yeah, actually I had a big Shannon day yesterday. We spoke on the phone for like an hour. She was like,

Cher is just, and I'm stealing it, but it's so true, like Cher is just too accessible, right? She's like this icon status, but she's literally popping up everywhere. It's like not special anymore. And to be honest, like, and of course, she's a woman of a certain age. She can only do so much, but she wasn't singing live. And like, I think that that should be, that's like the best part of the show when you think of in the past, like the vocals. It's just,

I don't know it did not do much for me and I guess I agree I like that it's a song and her songs are songs and you have to think about the the models they're from all over the world so just because the song is popular in America and I feel like in the past everybody knew every word to every song because they chose people with global hits yeah there was like so that's the only thing Cher had but I think like seriously it was a lot like I didn't like it. They understood why they chose the people that they did I think they were good choices

But then it just didn't like translate. Oh, and oh my God, Lainey Wilson. That was Lainey Wilson, right? No, that wasn't Lainey Wilson. I have no idea who that guitar player was, but it was not Lainey Wilson. Are you sure? I'm 1000% positive. No, she was wearing Lainey Wilson pants. She was just wearing bell bottoms. Lainey Wilson doesn't own bell bottoms. I'm cracking up. Why wouldn't that be Lainey Wilson?

If it was Laini Wilson, why wouldn't she have sung? I thought she was singing I Love Rock and Roll. No, she must be like a famous guitarist. I have no idea who it is. Claudia, I think it was Laini Wilson. What's her name? Oriathi. She's like a guitar player. Okay, well, I really liked Laini Wilson's segment because those were recognizable songs. Like when the girls were singing I Love Rock and Roll,

love yeah and then they got the like the leather black vibe for the runway like okay we're doing something thank you like there's energy yeah the show didn't have energy at times and even when the girls were like trying to like do their thing like the camera was missing them they had the camera missed everything they had two girls walking down the runway parallel and like you only really got to see one or the other they had these like cameras um

on the floor like trying to follow them it was the camera work was a mess sorry the camera work is a mess I agree far too many people on stage at once nobody had their own moment even people that opened the show I'm like wait is that the opener like it really wasn't special I think there was far too much talent and also the vibe was so and I know everyone's like gagged over Kate Moss but I think Kate Moss I do not think Victoria's Secret Victoria's Secret is so commercial it's so like not serious and I

thought like so many of the girls were doing like such serious model walks and model faces when in history like previously everyone's been smiling they put their hands in the air they dance they sing it's been so fun and it's been so not runway and this was just so like serious fashioning and like Kate Moss she's like we love she's sick she's not Victoria's Secret it's like they don't know who they are anymore so they just hired everyone except for Kendall and they did everything

and Carly Koss let's talk about Car Delevingne let's talk about Kendall I think yeah I don't know glaring I'm sure we could have a whole list of people who used to do it who weren't there yes like because I was thinking where's Miranda Kerr where's Miranda Kerr but I think she's at a place in her life where it's like she's evolved a little bit past it and I don't know if she looks back on that time positively I think she's like had said stuff in the past like in interviews just about like personal things in her life I don't know if she like loves it um

I feel like is Kendall the face of, she must have some sort of contractual like issue because I feel like maybe she's the face of La Perla. Oh, maybe. Or into Missy Mimi. Yeah. Into Simony me. It's a Simony. Um, so I feel like that's why she wasn't there, but it was a huge miss honestly, because like, but like she only did it once. That huge miss for them because like, it would have like rounded out and like, you wouldn't have been like feeling as many gaps, but like not for her. I,

I just, I don't know. The whole thing was just kind of like forgettable. Yeah. Yeah. Now that we're like breaking it down, like maybe I didn't like it, but I actually, I don't know. I enjoyed the experience of watching it. Like I'm, I'm, it's a good, like it was always a fun thing in the culture and like fun that it's back, but like it just, it wasn't iconic in any way. No, it wasn't iconic. I think they tried really hard to be iconic, but there was like honestly too much going on. And the photos.

from the evening are like much more iconic than the actual show because we didn't get to see an iconic moments because the camera operator was drunk. Yeah the camera operator like was really not doing what needed to be done and lastly um wait I just had oh and you know who I was really taken by and I didn't know who it was and then when I found out who it was I was like oh Barbara Palvin my queen. No I know I knew who that was and Victoria Victoria Chiaretti Leo's girlfriend.

Wait, I didn't realize she was there. She was in the show twice. Both times I was like, who is that? Like it's a new fresh face model. I was like, she's so gorgeous. And then I saw that that's Leo's girlfriend. And I was like, I need to see. And she's 26. So that's something. What's her name? Vittoria. No, hold the C. Oh, Vittoria. Yeah. Vittoria's secret. Vittoria's secret. Oh, here. Oh, yeah. I love that. Yeah. And she's 26. So she's front of lobe.

Do you think it was weird between Irina Shayk and Gigi Hadid? Yes, and let me tell you what I also thought was weird. First of all, Irina Shayk looked amazing, and I know that Page Six tries to make her seem like a desperate loser, but she's the most gorgeous woman on the planet. Like, seriously, the most gorgeous woman up there. What was weird was in backstage interviews, Irina was saying how her daughter is going to watch probably tomorrow, but she'll watch the show. And then Gigi was asked something about Bradley, and she said that he's on daddy duty. He's on daddy duty.

And they're definitely watching it together to like, no, it's weird. Some girl down the road, like talking about your daughter, about your daughter. Like it's weird. I completely agree. There's like a couple of like weird, like relationship types, things, people. Do you remember that, that Victoria's Secret model, the year Taylor Swift was

who like said something nasty about Taylor in the press and literally got fired. Yeah. Jessica something with a gap tooth. I think she was there last night. I'm like, oh, obviously went into the archives. Interesting. As they should go into the archives. I also don't think it's weird that Karlie Kloss wasn't there. Like I think she's really evolved out of modeling and specifically like lingerie modeling. Like she's married to like someone who's like connected to a president. Like she can't be like out here in her underwear, you know? No, I agree. I do agree. Like she's been to the White House probably. Yeah.

- Hmm, maybe? I don't know. - Probably not with them. - No, but like, she might be going to the White House in some capacity. - Yeah, but I feel like some of the other girls probably go to the White House too. - Now I wanna say, why are there so many models with the last name Sampeyo?

It's a great question. In my like fantasy, they're all sisters. But like they're not. No, they're not. Like Valentina Sampeo was like this new model last night. I'm like, wait, is she related to Sarah Sampeo? That's like Irina Shayk and Shanina Shayk. Yep. Not related. The thing is like if I just I can just think that they're related like it makes no difference to the world. But like in my mind, it's really nice.

I want to say like it's really impressive to me that like the most sickening looking ladies were like all older like um Adriana Lima Candace one pole Candace was literally like when you think of Victoria's Secret you think of you really do think of Candace like who got literally one minute where was the million dollar bra the fantasy bra like where was she she got no screen time um they looked like it was actually that's inspired oh I remember what I was gonna say

What's so interesting about Victoria's Secret and, like, what I was really interested to see in what they're going to do is the biggest critique and how they really have, like, failed to enter this new modern times was, like, their unwillingness to give on really body diversity, right? Like, they maintained for a while that, like, you know, it's a fantasy and we're not going there. Like, we're just not.

And that was a huge critique. And I think part of the reason why the show like didn't, you know, make it in modern times. And I was curious to see how they were going to do it. And I have said this in the past, like, and as somebody who was like fat my whole life, like inclusivity is great, but I always find like when they do start being inclusive of other bodies, it's never in like a way they're like, this is real. Like it's always in a way that's like, like it's like unattractive almost. It's like they've given up the fantasy thing. Yeah, there's not like the glamour anymore.

and it's just real. Now everyone's included, right? We're not airbrushing anymore. Why? Yeah. Like, it just... And so I do want to say, to their credit, I think they did a really good job of, like, having a wide range of bodies, like mid-size and curvy, without, like, forsaking that...

I agree with that and I thought it was really nice. We didn't even talk about the fact that Ashley Graham was there for the first time. I didn't realize. Me neither. I was reading the recaps that it was the first time and that that was a big deal. And then I also saw like Daily Mail was writing how like they did stuff that they hadn't done in the past in terms of like keeping it real. And one thing I don't know if this was intentional. I don't want it to be real. There was a lot of tan lines. I

I think in the past they would like airbrush. They would like, you know, match the skin tone. I did see someone's vagina line. There was a lot of tan lines. I think that was them keeping it real. Oh, please. Like keep your tan lines. I don't care. Yeah. Weird. No, that to their credit, I think they were able to like modernize a little bit without losing that like

The whole point is that it's like fantasy. Like you can be like glam and stuff and have big legs. Like who cares? I just feel like anytime when I think of like real campaigns with real women, it's like always like they're not taking out their pimples. Why? They're not wearing makeup. Why? We just have glam or two. Yeah. I think on that front it was achieved. But in terms of like, why are we here? What are we doing? That question was not answered. And it didn't make me want to go shop at Victoria's Secret because I thought that the costume design was not strong.

I feel like it almost felt like I don't know is this going to become another annual recurring thing or kind of just felt like this one time thing we're throwing everybody in. I don't know if they can afford to keep doing it like this. It didn't feel like they were back like every year. It didn't feel it felt kind of like final cumulative. I think that they need to be back every year and what I also liked is I felt like I saw a lot of new faces that I had not seen before and the

It was a lot of like talent discovery, which is what Victoria's Secret used to be like great at. - No, and it should be cutthroat by the way. Like you can't make it every year. There's only so many spots. Not everybody's invited. - Yeah. - Like it needs to be like 20 girls every year. Even if you're at the top of your game, maybe this year is not the year for you. Like it should be like a little competitive. - Yeah. - Not just like, you know, we're all winners.

Yeah, I think that it doesn't make sense if they don't bring it back again. Now, like, I think they need to, if they want it to mean anything, especially because this was, like, so short. It's not, and they didn't say anything. It's not like they said, like, we're back one night only, Victoria's Secret reunion. That would have been something. That's what it felt like, reunion, because everyone was invited. Yeah, but reunion happens once every five or ten years. Right.

Right, right, right. No, I don't know. I don't know what this means for the brand. I don't think they know what it means for the brand. And that came through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All in all, though, like watching it, like eating pizza back in the day, critiquing everyone, like that's the fun of being a woman. Yes. Yes, it is. Like being a slob and a half and just like sitting there being like ugly, ugly bikini. There was one girl who walked down the runway and the camera, I'm not over the camera, was filming her shoes like the whole time. And I...

probably spent like eight seconds on her shoes in one second on her face like what are you showing the camera work was by the way let's say it all in unison justice for jasmine toques justice for jasmine she got so screwed and let me say i think she was one of the people people were most looking forward to and then there were some people who like he went by in the blink of an eye because they were coming down the runway in twos and there was people two feet behind them and there were some people whose walk never ended no and by

And by the way, they didn't send the models back for the most part. They walked off camera. They kept walking straight. That's weird. I think they thought that was a slay narrator. It was not a slay. No, everybody's screen time cut in half. Yeah. It was weird. It was weird. The stage direction was bad. Yeah. But I just want to say, with all my critiques, I actually enjoyed it. Yeah. If I didn't enjoy it, I would have turned it off and I'd watch the whole thing. Oh, people are really mad about the Victoria's Secret hair. Yeah.

I saw. That's not something that I noticed when I was watching it, but then when people said it, I was like, oh yeah, that's pretty fair. Because usually they have like the va-va-boom. The glam in, right, historically has been like very feminine, bouncy blowout, light makeup, like really very...

Like feathery almost. Glam. And this time was a lot of like Slickback Buns, eyeliner, very Matrix-y like you said. I do think that's like a little bit more of the trend now like in glam. Like everybody's wearing Slickback Buns. But no, do I think it is Victoria's Secret? No. No. And yes, it's a trend right now. But like, you know,

voluminous hair never goes out of style. - Yeah. - Glam, natural makeup never goes out of style. So yes, now looking back at the pictures and some people had reasons for their hair. Like I saw some like really cute, like ponies or whatever, but then some people were wearing like their hair blown out down and it's like, it should have been more. - Judged. - And I do think that is a fair critique. So yeah. - Me too. - Hair and makeup also not on point. - Yeah.

So that's the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. - Vittoria. - Are you ready for our next story? Switching gears in a major way. Sophia Richie-Grain is recalling her very difficult pregnancy with her daughter Eloise. So Sophia Richie-Grain is on this new podcast called SheMD, which we were just talking about 'cause the host is a big OBGYN to the stars.

Yes, I had actually heard of her weirdly. She's Dr. A. Dr. A from the Kardashians. On the Kardashians. Like they literally send her like on her own private jet. Like whenever they're on vacation, she like literally stays nearby. She must be so wealthy. Right. So she has a podcast and Sophia Richie Grange was one of her patients. And now she is talking about her pregnancy and her first postpartum interview. And she revealed that pregnancy was not an easy journey for her.

So on the latest episode of CMD, she said she recalled gaining 70 pounds while carrying her baby and being out on bed rest when she began having contractions at six months pregnant. So she said, quote, I had a great pregnancy up until about 32 weeks. And I woke up one morning and I texted Dr. A and I was like, hey, I woke up and I'm really tired today. My back really hurts. I feel a little crampy. And I thought it was going to be another one of those. Yeah, babe, that's pregnancy. You're going to be fine. But you can come in if you want me to check you type of situations.

She was like, you know what? Actually, I think you should go see the fetal specialist to monitor that everything's okay and then you'll go home. It's not that big of a deal. She said, thank God that she said that because they hooked me up to a monitor and they were like, you are in active labor. She ended up having to stay in the hospital for six days. That was at 32 weeks pregnant. She said, I was begging, please, please let me go home. And Dr. A was like, you can go home, but you're on bed rest. We have to monitor you. So that's what I did. Bed rest, but contracting. And then we induced at 38 weeks. I had a fantastic delivery.

However, then she says that when she went home,

She developed a rare postpartum condition called preeclampsia postpartum. Right. I didn't know you could. Our sister Olivia had it while she was pregnant. It's like common to get it. Not common, but you get it while you're pregnant. I didn't know that you could get it afterwards. Yeah. If you have high blood pressure after you deliver, that's why they're like taking your blood pressure every two hours in the hospital. She said, I stayed in the hospital for two days. I went home and then I blew up like a balloon, quite literally just swelled. I felt very ill. My blood pressure was 165 over 105.

It was postpartum preeclampsia, so she had to go back to the hospital and leave her daughter at home, which she described as being really hard for her. But in the end, everything was okay.

Oh, man. Yeah. I kind of love this concept of a celebrity OBGYN, like people exclusively telling their birth stories like on this podcast. I actually think it's like a great concept. I know she does other stuff like she had, I think, like Halsey on talking about her endometriosis, like other like feminine health things. But I feel like we don't get like every podcaster or influencer like it's like, here's my birth story. It's like a thing you kind of like have to do. We never hear celebrity birth stories.

Yeah, but everyone has a birth story. I find them so interesting. Even if your birth went exactly according to plan, like that's actually like more uncommon than not. It's giving, Dr. A is giving West Coast Dr. Fox, like OBGYN with a podcast. Do you want to promote something? My birth stories? Yes.

- No. - The Redheads? - Dana's, yeah. - Dana's birth story, she took her stories to the Redheads and her story is actually a crazy one. So on the most recent episode of the Redheads, Dana shares her birth story and my birth stories are on Patreon if you wanna hear my birth stories. - Yeah. - I think they're good stories.

I heard them at the time and I thought they were good as well. Do you enjoy listening? Not to mine, because of course we have a kinship like no other. Do you enjoy other people's birth stories? Like, yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah. I feel like I wouldn't have cared about people's birth stories as much until I was pregnant and gave birth. Like people that I love. Like, yeah, of course, I'm curious what happened to. But like birth stories in general, like, no, they don't really do it for me. Celebrity birth stories. Like, did that fall into people that you love?

No, but like Olivia, like we were all kind of a part of Olivia's birth journey and her getting preeclampsia was kind of traumatizing. And so hearing that Sophia Richie, like I can connect. Yeah. But like just Sophia Richie in general, like a celebrity that you love. Take Sophia Richie out of it. Like a celebrity that you love. Are you interested in their birth story? Like I might be interested in Taylor Swift's birth story. Like that's what I read. I'm so glad my turdy listened to the birth story.

I'll work on that one. Yeah, that's not your best. I'll ask AI to fix that one up. Are you ready for our next story? Don't worry, it's not a birth story. I'm ready. It's actually a weird story. Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman are going to be starring in a movie called Song Sung Blue, which is a musical film about a husband and wife Neil Diamond tribute band. Okay. Okay.

There's a lot in there. Let me just unpack. There's a lot in there. Let me break it down into multiple sentences, okay? Okay. Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman are taking the stage in a new musical drama film. Wait, stage? You know, soundstage. Oh, okay. It's not a play. No. Okay. The two are set to star in a movie called Song Sung Blue. Such a bad name for a movie. As Claire and Mike...

A real life couple from Milwaukee who form a Neil Diamond tribute band called Lightning and Thunder. Based on a true story. So a lot of things here. A lot of things. I actually think like this is a good natural next step for Kate Hudson, who's really been in the latter half of her career, like embracing music. If you watch Glee, you know that she, like some people are like, wait, Kate Hudson can sing. Like if you watch Glee, you know, this has obviously been like a passion of hers, but it's never been like her work. Um,

And so now like our rom-com queen starring in a movie, but also it's a musical that she sings in. Like, I think that's actually a good next step for her because she is starting this like music career. - I love the idea of Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman being in a movie musical together. I love them both. I love the musicals. However, the subject matter here, like I just, - Is unique. - I don't know why this was the story that needs to be told. - And is,

Is that to assume that like the soundtrack of the film is exclusively Neil Diamond music or is it going to be original music? I think it's going to be a lot of Neil Diamond music and maybe that's maybe someone got the rights and said hey. Yard sale. Let's do a movie. Now Neil Diamond of course sings. Sweet Caroline. Bumper.

And now I'm looking at his other big hits and I haven't heard of them. And that obviously is cause for concern. Let us know. What are they? Cracklin' Rose. Cracklin' Rose. It's Cracklin' Rose. Okay, here. Tell me what you think all these songs sound like. Song Sung Blue. Oh, wait. Is that the name of the movie? Yeah. All right, hit me.

I'm so glad my song is... Come on. No, no. No, seriously. Stop with that song. Like, it's getting annoying. And I want you to actually think what you think. I want to know what you actually think Song Sung Blue sounds like. I genuinely... Song Sung Blue? I think it actually sounds like this. Song Sung Blue. That's Sonia Diamond. That is. Why don't you play it? Let's find out. No. Holly Holy. Holly Holy.

I don't even know what genre Neil Diamond sings because Sweet Caroline is like a genre of its own. You know, so it's like, am I going country? Am I going folksy? Am I going blues? They say that Neil Diamond makes music for like older white people. So just like embrace that. Like that's giving like come on Eileen, you know? Like exactly. Does he sing that? No, no. So what was that song called? Holly Holly? Holly Holly. Holly Holly.

What a crazy name. I know. These are all crazy. I am, I said. Sounds like Dr. Seuss. September Morn. Rural Jerk. These are not real song names. According to Google, these are his songs. I guess even the name Sweet Caroline is random. Like, yeah, not anymore. Not anymore. Because it's like a part of American culture. And the lyrics are Sweet Caroline, bomb, bomb, bomb.

That's actually not the lyric. It's the sound of the drum. You didn't say pom-pom-pom. No. It's sweet Caroline. Like, drum, drum, drum. And then, you know, people at weddings took it to the next level. But now hearing his other song titles, like, I could see him having lyrics, pom-pom-pom. He sounds kind of crazy. Yeah, he's kind of nutty. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So, this movie. So, this movie. Like...

I can't give it the Jackie O stamp of approval for her great creative processes. However, I'm open and I like what they did with half of it. That's unfortunate that you can't give it that award, but I understand. The J-O-S-O-A. The Jisowa. The Jisowa award. Yeah. I get it. For creativity. Yeah, right. And ingenuity. And innovation. Yeah. But I'm open.

Yeah I'm definitely not going to be seeing this So like this is the last I'll probably hear of this movie I could see myself like seeing this movie Like because Zach really wants to go to the movies And like we have to see what's in theaters Like that particular day Even though I didn't want to see anything And then I see this is out And I'm like okay I'll see that one Yeah that's so funny Like of all the ones that are out Like this is the one you'll stop Like I don't go to the movies when the movies are good I just like go because like I have to go that day When time allows it Yeah or like it's just it's Zach's birthday And he wants to go to the movies

Yeah, yeah. All right, so I guess we're going to see this movie in May. If you want me to see your movie, come out with it. Release it on May 2nd. On May 2nd, yeah. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story, which is some major news in the podcasting world that's really going to shake things up around here? Oh my God, I'm so excited. What is it? Because guess who's announced their new podcast?

You'll never guess. Keeping up with sports? No, I wish. That would have been a first story, not a fourth. What is it? Rachel Ray announces her new podcast called I'll Sleep When I'm Dead. It's unscripted, raw, and real talk. I have so many things to say. Rachel Ray isn't slowing down anytime soon. Just look at her new podcast, Name is Evidence. The celebrity cook and TV host debuts her first podcast, I'll Sleep When I'm Dead, on yesterday, October 15th.

The show focuses on what fuels us, our drive, resilience, and how we face life's challenges. According to a press release, it will feature a melting pot of conversations with celebrities, chefs, artists, musicians, and other familiar faces with no topic off limits. Did you think something was going to be off limits with Rachel Ray? No. So let's, of course, do what we do and evaluate the name of this podcast. It is legitimately atrocious. Legitimately atrocious. Legitimately atrocious.

Because obviously that is... But if you would have told me a celebrity has a podcast, you'd tell me who. You'd say a new celebrity podcast was just announced. The title is I'll Sleep When I'm Dead. I would have said... Like Bethany Frankel. No! People say that when they're like 18 and they like stay out all night. I'll sleep when I'm dead. For me, it's like giving like girl boss hustler culture. The other thing, and like I love Rachel Ray and I don't want to ever stop like a woman from entering the podcasting space, but like... Do not come. Do not...

Do not come. First of all, like, relax. Like, I feel like you worked so hard on your daytime show, like, for so many years. Like, take the time to enjoy that. Second of all, like, not to be mean, but, like, the daytime show was canceled. So it's, like, the need for you to interview people, like, it really isn't there. The demand isn't there so much anymore. And three, like, you recently have come under fire for, like, your, like, actual inability to speak. Like, slurring and being, like, kind of crazy. So I don't know if, like, a job...

where you speak all the time, like isn't best for you. - Even though that has been her career up until this point, I think a better title for this would have been 30 minute combos. - I love it. - I love it. And that's like, we know where your show is now. Like it's a 30 minute combo. What are we talking about? What are we making tonight? And you know what? I could listen to it while I make my 30 minute meal. - While you make a 30 minute meal. Yeah, by the way, I love that. - But nobody asked me. That's a problem. - Like I could see her doing like "Ray of Light"

Oh, Rachel's Rays. The thing about Rachel Ray, and correct me if I'm wrong, she's Rachel. Rachel, yeah. And as somebody who is so deeply connected to like phonetics and language, like her name being Rachel, pronounced Rachel, which like it's not that crazy. I think there's like a million girls named Rachel who spell it Rachel. But her specifically, she's the most famous, you know, Rachel. She'll always be famous to me, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

She just needed that extra letter because she's extra. She needed the extra letter. She didn't need the extra responsibility of this podcast. And like, I just know in a year from now, if they make a movie about her life, it'll be called Extra A. Jackie, I know in a year from now, we are going to be talking about Rachel Ray's podcast in the context of our list of celebrities who started podcasts and then never picked them back up. And I don't even think our list is comprehensive enough.

No, although our list of, you know, podcasts that came and went is one of my favorite things. Like, do you remember a time where like you couldn't leave the house without hearing about Ashley Graham's podcast or JVN's? JVN. Yeah, I remember JVN more so than Ashley Graham. He was like one of the bigger, biggest, biggest podcasts. Yeah. Anna Faris.

Is she on our list? No, because it's like- Because she's not like fully quit it yet. Like every couple of weeks she releases like an episode. And it's not like the other ones where it's like a celebrity being like, I think I'll start a podcast. She actually had like a very successful podcast, even if she's done with it. Like I actually don't think it falls into that list. Yeah, she was doing podcasts like long before anyone else. She has like many seasons of a successful show. I just don't think it's the same. Let's see, Anna Faris. It's like reruns and stuff, right? Yeah, the last, oh.

They haven't released an episode since January and every episode before that has been a re-release for the last year. So it's officially over. But I still don't think she's on the list. I don't think she's on the list either. She's not a celebrity who woke up and said, I think I'll do a podcast today and then a year later, shut her. And then it was like too much for them. But I'm telling you, like, don't be surprised if Richelle Ray ends up on that list. Well, I personally am rooting for her because I don't think it will be in the comedy category. And so it does not compete with us.

Yeah, our ability to be happy for like anyone joining the podcasting sphere is like what impact will it have on us? It's true. I don't think this has any impact on us whatsoever. Therefore, like I'm always going to root for Rach. That's just me. And I feel like you used to be that way. And then something hardened you. Something changed definitely with me and Rachael. You used to champion her even more than I did because I watched her show recently and it was not for me.

Yeah, you did watch 30 Minute Meals and kind of take a giant dump on it. It was a wild ride. That's not my, like, we were talking about another creator recently who does food videos. And I was explaining to you how, like, she does, like, really great videos. But, like, it's just not for me. Like, it's just too crazy. Wait. My memory is so bad. She's a great creator. I'll just text it to you because I would not slander this person. They're a great creator. It's just the style is not for me. Sent to you.

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? That's like Rachel Ray. Yeah. A great creator. A creator. A creator. She's been creating for a while. And really, I couldn't help but wonder, are all chefs creators? I couldn't help but wonder. I think we are all creators of God's universe. We are all created by the creator. Oh, that's beautiful. And he is the ultimate creator. Amen. Amen.

That's so Pesach. What tune is that? It's a classic Passover tune. I have a question for you. Is there a reason why you haven't moved to the next story yet? Like you're really dilly dallying. I'm like, I wonder when she's going to stop talking about Rachel Ray. I'm sitting in this.

Okay, I'll send you your toasters. Actually, you know what? I'm glad that you're pushing me forward because my next segue is so pargy, if I may. Okay, yeah. Before we get to the fifth and final story, may I say something? If you must. May I let you know that if you want to be the creator of your own kitchen, that you should check out Little Spoon because we need to talk about something really important that most people don't realize.

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Low hanging fruit. Yeah, I'm not going to say that, but just want to let you know, like, I obviously think that. But I think something you're really crushing right now is like being a homeowner, like having all the different, like your home is beautiful. It's like always well stocked with like food and chargers, like things that you need. I think you're a really good homeowner. Turdy, that is so sweet. Yeah.

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Now I'm ready for the fifth and final story. The fifth and final story. So it's a little bit of an update to a story from this week, which was Travis Kelsey's ex going on Angel Reese's podcast and kind of getting her ass handed to her by...

On the internet, yeah. So she is having... And you know, the more I thought about that, I thought it was so interesting because like for the most part, I feel like the Swifties like are torturous to everyone, right? Like anyone in their path. And they've kind of like left Kayla Nicole alone. I feel like she hasn't really gotten, maybe I don't know, but I feel like they haven't like come for her. They've really just let her be. And she sort of like woke a beast with that podcast. Yes. Um...

So she is now talking about and reflecting on the online backlash after being on the podcast. So she said on an episode of I Am Athlete Daily.

She said,

So I only saw clips from this interview, so it's hard to like judge the entire thing. But based on what I saw, like I do agree with Kayla Nicole that like she,

She spoke very gracefully about this situation. The questions to me were what was more problematic. And even someone, I think, in Toast After Dark screenshotted the Angel Reese podcast Instagram page. And it's all clips of Kayla Nicole. Yes, they're milking it. They're really milking it. And I feel like that's what is unfair and has put this in a bad light. Not necessarily anything that she said in context. Right.

By the way, I agree with you that like most of the blame I think lies in like the questions, the promotion. And like, it looks like Kayla Nicole's nonstop talking about Travis, but like she literally was asked about it. And then the account posted a million videos. I agree. Except I did feel like what she had said, like Travis and her can't like communicate or acknowledge each other because his current girlfriend is like such a big star, was like disrespectful. Like, no, you can't talk to him because like you're not with him anymore. And like, you don't do that when someone's in a new relationship. So I don't think she helped herself by like some of the things that she said, but I agree that she was kind of put in like a shit position. Yeah. Yeah.

But I agree that like exes of five years like don't need to talk to each other especially when someone's in a new relationship. But she was saying like even if we walk past each other we can't say even like hi because it will just be taken and made into a big thing which is true. Like I think that's a true statement. Yeah. So I feel a little badly about that.

I mean, I think anybody who like emo in the video and I'm sure it's been hard for her. Like, and also let's not forget, she's just a girl. Like she was dating someone for five years and she probably thought that that was her future. And now he's like moved on with Taylor Swift. No, I feel bad for anyone who like goes on a podcast, like tell their story and like gets backlash, even if it's warranted or not, like getting backlash for just like saying something that you think like is horrible. Like people, people always take it too far. Right. Then you're being like, you know, ushered by the police because you got death threats. Like I,

I go bad for anyone who goes through that. Like, really, you can't know how really traumatizing it is until you, like, experience it yourself. So I always am going to end up, like, defending it and feeling sorry for the person, even no matter what they said, if it was, like, bad or good. Like, so I agree with you. She's just a girl. And, like, at the end of the day, like, it's got to just be fucking horrible that your boyfriend, who, like, you invented, right? Like, nobody was looking at Travis Kelsey. Like, you, like, saw something in him before everybody else did.

Then it was a meaningful relationship, five years long. Like, that's long. To have him end up in a relationship that's, like, so happy, that has to be hard, of course. But then it's, like, with the most famous person and they become the most famous people. And everybody loves them together. Like, everybody's worshiping their relationship in a way that they never did yours. Like, it's heartbreaking. That's just, like, anybody would feel that way. No, and, like, he's over here, like, getting $100 million deals for his podcast. And, like, when you were with him, he was probably just doing it, like, as a hobby and, like, making, you know, $100. And maybe you were holding the camera, like, supporting his dreams. Right.

It's giving, you know, Austin Butler and Vanessa Ann. It is. She invented him. She invented him and she was the one who told him. I bet Kayla Nicole was the one who told him to do a podcast with his brother. Yeah, imagine. When did they break up, Kayla? I feel like six months to a year before tailored. That's my guess. Oh, that's close. I would have assumed like way longer. They broke up.

2022. And they started dating in 2023. That was 2023. Yeah. Well, those were good stories. Thank you so much for sharing. And what's so exciting is that we still have your toasters, our weekly advice segment. So if you're ready. It's not Deer Farmer? No, it's Deer Toasters. Rats. Okay.

Red flag, the great GBM. Yeah.

I think this dance is insane, but he doesn't want to upset their families. So basically their moms have been best friends since childhood. His older brother is married to her older sister. They're basically like family. My husband had two brothers growing up and he considers her like a sister. Should I give this, give in to her stupid dance or should I put my foot down? This is weird. No. So she's not his sister. Just like make that very clear. And even if that was his sister, he wouldn't do a dance with his sister at the wedding. The dances are between the husband and the wife, the mother and the son and the father and the daughter. Period. Period.

Put your foot down. This girl, I don't like this dynamic. No, this is fucking weird. First of all, the fact that she would ask for a thing that doesn't exist, like to dance with someone else's husband, is so egregious. And really, I get why you don't like her. She's obviously fucking disgusting. Like, I hate this bitch with my whole pussy. And like, everybody can make you feel like it's weird. And that you're being rude. We are here to tell you, like third party individuals with no particular interest in the matter,

this bitch is crazy do not I'll kill you if you let this bitch dance at your wedding like and also even if it was like a reasonable request which is not if it doesn't make you comfortable and it's your wedding like you're allowed this is the one day where you're allowed to be unreasonable mind you you are not being unreasonable like it is completely out of bounds for her to even ask this I don't give a fuck if these two people like we're are twins let's say you were marrying twins

about marrying a twin, a fraternal twin. And the twin sister was like, I want to have a dad with my twin brother. No. Like not unless you're a professional dancer. Not unless you're Julianne and Derek Hough. Even then. Can they dance? No, you can't. I feel like they would though. Um,

And I was going to say that if she wants to dance with your husband at his wedding, then she should marry him. Because that's the only way you're getting with the man on the dance floor. I think that is what she would like to be happening. Then go marry him. But if you're not, then I'm going to. Absolutely not. This is so out of bounds. But you can't because you're his sister, right? Yeah, right. You're his sister.

Also keep this girl away from your husband. I'm sorry. I hate that when people are close. They're like, it's like my brother. But it's not. It's not. Like you could still technically fuck this person and it wouldn't be weird or illegal. So it's not your brother. It's not your brother. It's not. Like, no, I hate that too. Like our moms are, I don't give a fuck. But our moms, like we were born in the same hospital. I don't give a fuck. It's not your brother. Like grow up. I hate that. Okay. Ready for our next one? Yeah.

Hello, by the way, I chose this one because it's interesting, but I also need your help in understanding what she called us. Because, you know, one of my favorite parts of Dear Toasters is seeing how people reference us. Hey, turtle. Hi, toast birthers. B-I-R-T-H-E-R-S, like giving birth to the toast. Okay. Because we like, she said we like invented the toast. That's new. Okay. A.K.A. Jackson Turney.

I need advice because my boyfriend's ex-girlfriend recently posted a TikTok where she says one of her red flags is that she has a complicated relationship with her ex. I know my boyfriend is her only ex. Is this valid for me to be upset about? Like, what do you mean complicated? Should I be upset at him? At her? I don't know. Help. Am I overreacting? So you can't like...

Get mad at him. Over something. That like crazy. Over there. Said and did. You need to like. Actually find tangible proof. And also. She can have a complicated relationship. With him. In her mind. With her mind. And that like. Shouldn't come between. Your healthy relationship. No. But also. You have to know. Like people on social media. Are always dramatizing. Their own life. Right. I bet. Like there isn't. By the way. You should look into this. But there's. No. There's a possibility. Where like. She just wants attention. Like.

flags I have a crazy ex like no you don't and did abacably and like it's fine it's been yours you have a crazy mind I would do a little digging like look at their recent text messages like DM history if that's available to you but do not take out something on him that crazy over there did and do not let her affect your otherwise healthy relationship if it is a healthy relationship

Yeah, and you also have to think about what she said. She said, I have a complicated relationship with my ex. Now, that could mean, obviously, like, there are things left unsaid. They talk, and it's weird. It could mean that, for sure. But if you have a complicated relationship with your ex, like, you could have a complicated... Like, you see it in a complicated way. Yeah, I have a complicated relationship, like, with my history. How I think about it. Yeah, with how I think about it. It could be a few different things. It's giving delusions of the mind. But by the way, we're not delusional. Like, it could also, like...

Be bad. Yes, but like your boyfriend, I'm assuming like he's trustworthy and you love him and you know him. And so like you need to go with that over like crazy down the way. Like if he is those things. I'm assuming this girl is single, right? What single girl doesn't have a complicated relationship with her ex? Like once you move on, that's where it stops being complicated. Relationships are complicated, right? No, but also it's like you love this person. Now they're a stranger to you. That is complicated. She's not wrong for that. It is complicated. Yeah.

Do a little digging, but don't automatically assume the worst because I think she could just be like attention, like seeking for likes. Yeah. And also like then she like put a little poison in your relationship and she's happy about that. Yeah. Our third and final dear toasters. Hello, Swirlies. I'm newly married. I've been with my significant other for over eight years. I'm currently on my honeymoon and I received a text from my sister-in-law. The text was screenshots of my latest Instagram post on my honeymoon and it said weird, fugly ass outfits and she edits her pics.

I'm actually so relieved this isn't like about your husband being a philanderer. Obviously this was meant for someone else. I responded out of anger and said, next time I'll borrow some of your V-neck shirts since you have a closet full of them. Honestly, it's like, uh,

Right. What do I do? I think you did the complete right thing. Like, she's a bitch. Now you know. Keep your eyes open.

And by the way, you don't have to like do anything. If anyone should be having a pit, like, oh, what do I do? It's the sister. Like she actually said something so nasty. By the way, she's obsessed with you. Like refreshing your Instagram. She's probably one of those sisters who wants to fuck her brother. It's giving Teresa Giudice like, sorry, you should just send a video of you two fucking and being like, is this what you wanted? Yeah. It's hard to see people living your dreams. Keep doing you.

Yeah, ignore. Like seriously, you don't need to send any more text message. If anyone like needs to be coming up with a plan writing into her favorite podcast, it's the other bitch. Like she needs to make amends. It's not on you. Yeah, haters gonna hate. And I want to say, your response. But you just love, love, love.

Your response was hysterical. Like seriously. And it wasn't like that mean that like you need to ever feel bad. You gave it to her back, but hers was way meaner. And I think your response was perfect. Like leave it alone. Yeah. And you don't, when someone makes like passive aggressive remarks at you and you don't want to stir the pot, you don't really get a lot of opportunities to give it back to them. It's true. But that was like clear as day. And I'm glad that you took the opportunity. Because when opportunity knocks, you best be answering. You best be. Weren't those good submissions today? Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like the girlies are going through it, which obviously I'm not happy about, but I feel like in different seasons of life, sometimes the toasters are doing well and the submissions are not on point. Number three's on her honeymoon. Number two has a boyfriend. And what was number one?

Oh, the number one's getting married to a man who's so desirable. This girl wants to dance with him. Everybody wants a piece of him. The girl, of course, everyone's jealous of the toasters. Of course. Of course. And maybe if you listen to the toast, I'm talking to somebody who is obviously not listening, but maybe if you did, like maybe you would be happy and like planning a wedding, but you're not. So keep screenshotting your sister-in-law's pictures and talking shit. See where that gets you. By the way, and just so you know, like,

You should sleep well on your honeymoon knowing this bitch has the biggest pit. Like, what is worse than sending the wrong thing to the wrong person? Like, talking shit edition. Like, sometimes it's, like, embarrassing. You send a picture that was, like, meant for your doctor. But, like, no. There is nothing. There's no experience worse on the planet. No. There's not. Than what that girl is going through. So, seriously, you should find peace knowing she's.

Having a terrible day. Yeah, and that like their child, like she's like being like, yeah, mom. Yeah, mom, what do I do? And it's just like, you got your man. And you're on your honeymoon. Like, that's fun. What's that like? Can this v-neck bitch say the same? Claudia and I didn't take honeymoons. No, I was just having this conversation with someone because I ran into somebody who just got married and she was telling me about her honeymoon. And she got married around the same time as me, which is right before the Jewish holidays. And she was like, oh, I don't know. I'm like, girl, we didn't do it because of the Jewish holidays and we never went. Like, go, go. You still have time. Yeah. Yeah.

That's our show. I'm literally out of breath from like how much we talked. We talk a lot and we sing a lot. I'm so glad the toasters made it to the end. Another amazing episode of this pod. Oh. One step closer to being our real life friends. Love that. I feel like that's a good way to end it. I don't need to do our usual thing. I think we should end our show by attempting a heart.

Have a great day, everyone. Thanks for listening. This is my new favorite segment. Love you. Bye.