Stronger Than Expected: Thursday, December 5th, 2024
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Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to The Toast and happy Thursday! We made it to the second half of the week. I'm in a better mood. Hey, Jax. How you doing? Yay! Would you say it feels like a Durs-day? Or a Thursday? Thursday. Thursday.

I don't know. It's a little Durs-y because... It is, actually. We have so much going on today, culminating with you coming to my house for chicken parm. Not only that, it definitely feels like a Durs-day. And I meant to bring this up yesterday, but it was happening while I was recording. And I don't know if anybody heard, and today you might hear all day yesterday helicopters all throughout the city. There is a manhunt. Everyone I know is really taking the manhunt really seriously. Yeah.

that there was a shooting of a CEO in New York and the guy like ran. And so now everyone's out in the streets. There's cops everywhere. Every street is closed. There was helicopters whirring all day yesterday. So,

I don't think the shooter's, like, looking for any of us, but, like, it is crazy to have, like, a shooter on the loose. Yeah, it is. So in that sense, it's giving Durs Day. So if you hear helicopters, I am going to run today's audio through, like, a background noise reducer. Through a helicopter manhunt reducer. Yeah, I don't know if they have that setting on my program, but that's what that is. It's also Durs because usually the Redheads comes out first Thursday of the month in the morning, but we're actually recording today because the Redheads are, they're hard to get all in one place.

Their mothers. So they will be coming out. Their podcasters, their business owners, their executives. Like they can't. Their satchels. They can't be putting them up. Do you know how hard it is to nail down a satchel? I saw, I got a piece of satchel last night. Last night? Yeah. Oh, at Soto. Yeah. And I'm wearing my Soto merch. You guys know, like I'm obsessed with the Soto method. Let me just show you guys my new sweatshirt.

Soto Method by Parky? Yeah, by Parky. I work out. Well, not these days, but like I do. Did once upon a time. Once? No, no, I didn't mean one time. Once upon a time. Yeah, about 15 months ago, I committed my life to fitness exclusively via the Soto Method, which is actually, I have to give credit to Jackie. She introduced me to her friend Hillary from college who started the Soto Method. She's kind of like my best friend. I think like we would say she's my friend.

No like yeah you're closer you see her more and you're closer with her now but the originator. Yeah. You're friends with Hillary by way of me. Correct. By way. I know I saw videos from the event last night she's also pregnant she has shared with with

With twins, right? Yeah, she's eight months pregnant with twins and she's like leading this fitness empire teaching classes. She's making me so nervous. She's literally an inspiration to women. She is. Like I want to see her on the Hollywood power of women. Like pregnant with twins, leading a fitness class, like not stopping gorgeous, most gorgeous woman in the world. So she had a party last night because she opened her very first like flagship studio. She's been doing these pop-ups all over the city and they're so popular. So-

She was like an official space in Tribeca and she gave a speech. And first of all, everyone was crying. Like she just had a bunch of people she needed to target, like her chief of staff, her husband, her parents, like her brother, like everyone. And she's such an amazing speaker. She didn't have like, you know, anything written down or anything. And everyone was crying. And then she was like, I know people look at me and they're like in awe. You know, I'm eight months pregnant. I have literally eight pounds of baby. The babies weigh eight pounds right now. And like they're pushing on my gallbladder.

And she's like, and I know everybody thinks like I'm so crazy and like how hard it is. She's like, and that's life. Like life is hard, but you can do harder things. So like she was basically telling everyone to like do more. I was like, oh, work harder. Yeah. I was like, uh, no. Okay. I love that. And then I got to see Sachi because Sachi was there too. So it was really nice to just be out with my Sachi.

Well, I'll be talking to Sachi for about 75 minutes uninterrupted, except by Dana and Rebecca this afternoon. I finished our book for the Redheads last night, Shred Sisters. Oh, Dana, she knows how to pick them. In a good or a bad way. In like, in a Dana way. Like, she keeps us literary. Like, I would never have read this book. I didn't, it flew by. Like, it was one of those books that's just, I don't know what the point is. We're just passing the passage of time. I think it's about the passage of time and sisterhood. And also, a thing that

thing that they kept saying in the book it's about two sisters who are so different like me and you just kidding not like us at all but they kept saying like no one will ever love you more than a sister or hurt you more than a sister and like people say that about sisters not my sister that's not true all the time not my

That, no. No, I don't like that at all. Like, remember even when we read good sister, it's like there's always this trope, like the sister, it's like, you know, the best and the worst to have. No, like, it's just the best. No, not for everyone. Like, yeah, there are examples, but like these over, these sweeping generalizations, like, don't apply to everyone. No, everything is different for everyone all the time, but like, they just, that's like the fact about sisterhood. It's like, sometimes you love it, sometimes you screw sisterhood. And...

That's just not been my experience. So I just want to like shed light on the fact that like that's not a universal truth. Unless you're Victor Garber, of course. But then it's screw sisterhood all the time. Correct. You don't get that love. I'm so excited to come down to your house. You know, I feel like the last couple of times I've come to visit you, I've just been like, yeah, I'm going to my sister's, whatever. But whenever I come to you in like the dead of winter, it really is like exemplifies why people move to Florida. Like I totally get it. It's so unenjoyable here between the manhunt and the 20 degree weather. Like I gotta go.

Mm-hmm. So that's like something I'm looking forward to. And we have Gizno. We have family time. I'm very excited. Yeah, it's going to be a really fun weekend. The weather here is like so pargy for us because there's a chill in the air, but it'll be like hot for you. Winds in the east, a chill coming in. And it's going to be a great weekend. Tomorrow we'll be together in front of the flamingos. Yeah, doling out Queenie and Weenie. Queenie and Weenie. What a long week. I know. When you think about it. How are the stories today? Okay.

They actually were stronger than expected. S-T-E. I like that. Mm-hmm. Stronger than expected. And so I guess that's what we did last night, soda and shred. Soda and shred. Shred and soda. Yeah. What else did I do last night? I made a soup. I wore a skirt. Because like I said, there's a chill. We've got so many noses in the house. Oh, good. Yeah.

great oh yeah you'll be fine it's literally like just a runny nose i'm really excited to see you and live and the kids like have the kids been talking as everyone just being like coaches is coming let's wrap presents and give her stuff is that what they're saying yeah um yeah they're definitely saying that they're excited that romeo's coming bruno is like getting his crate ready to for two i mean romeo can sleep in bruno's crate bruno doesn't sleep in there it's just um

It was a little joke. No, no, but you reminded me. I've never traveled with Romeo before. I've never brought him to your house. And we also do also have a spare crate. Okay, good. Romeo's never been to my house. I don't think so. Oh, he's in for a treat. Yeah. And he's like, he's going to freak when he sees the backyard. Like he's going to be like, wow, my cousins live like this and I live in squalor in Manhunt, NYC.

I'm going to say yes. Well, you know, if the plane won't let him on the return flight home, that's okay too. Imagine. I just like gave up Romeo. By the way, I could never. I haven't even really talked about my journey with Romeo like in recent weeks. You know, it was a slow start for me and Romeo. Let me tell you, there's nobody like him. Like he is, I actually, and I said this to Ben and Ben doesn't like when I compare Romeo and Theo.

I actually might love Romeo more. No. No. No, but the thing is that I so specifically was setting out to find a dog who was a carbon copy clone of Theo that I actually now think of Romeo and Theo as the same dog. So the love that I had for Theo just transferred. What's Romeo's birthday? December 16th. And what day did Theo pass? Like me and Ben thought this. We thought that they might have crossed like on the same day and we were freaking. No, or he's a reincarnated spirit. Yeah.

They, okay, so Theo was dying when Romeo was born. So I think that Theo maybe had one leg in the other universe, met Romeo. Theo died after September 16th? No, he died early December. Yeah, wait, hold on, hold on. I'm getting my dates right. I think there's probably like a week. How long does it take to reincarnate? Do you have to be born on the same day? I'm not completely sure. I feel like there's a few days of like, you know, soul passage. I think he's the reincarnated spirit.

I'm trying to find, just give me a second, because me and Ben. Take your time. December 14th was when Romeo was born. Oh, okay. And then I could tell you because we did this one's for do episode. But that was the day after. Right. Remember, we took the day off. Okay. One week. One week. Exactly. December 7th, Theo died.

December 14th, Romeo was born. I believe it takes one week to prepare the soul for reincarnation. For that significant passage of time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, me and Ben have talked this through. So I feel like when I'm looking at Romeo, like I don't even feel guilty about having so much love for him. Like it's literally Theo. Like I did what I set out to accomplish, which was like literally clone my dog. They look exactly like. Copy paste. Yeah. Like I pass a picture of Theo on the fridge and to me it's Romeo.

That's so sweet. Well, I'm so excited to see Dear Romeo. And Ben, is Ben flying with you? Of course not. He loves to take a separate flight. It wouldn't be a trip to your home if me and Ben did not take separate flights. He has an event tonight and I wanted to come tonight. So it's a Southern Charm premiere, which he's really excited about. So that's awesome. Yeah. And like Spritz is like, you know, it's like a whole thing. So Southern Charm is on tonight. Oh my God. I'm so excited. Even though I didn't finish watching last season, but I think I'm just going to jump right in. If I wait, I'll never watch it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they have all these new cast members, so I think what's past is past. That's what's significant about the passage of time. Well, as we've said so many times with our annoying, you know, non-events that we have so much going on today, I think we should get into the stories. Me too. Let's talk stories.

So not stew, beef stew. Do you want a beef stew while you're here? Should I order beef chunks? I don't. I'm good. Anything else you want to request? Because I have to get the meat, you know. Just like have meat, you know, for when I decide what I want. Like asking me what I want today for tomorrow is fruitless. No, no, no. But like what are, in general, like what are you craving? Seriously, all I eat is pizza. Like frozen pizza, pizza bagels, pizza from the street. Like I'm running on pizza.

But is that because it's what you're craving or it's just easy and filling? It's easy, it's filling, and it's got cheese. So it's like protein. It's like a salad. It doesn't gross you out. Yeah, yeah. It's not necessarily what I'm in the mood for. You'll look at the recipe book and pick out your menu items. I'm so sorry. I can't believe I did a whole recap. Yesterday I saw Mark.

Mark Schoenwetter. You have a lot of Marks in your life, if you know you know. I do. No, I saw the only Mark in my life. It was Mark Schoenwetter. For those who don't know, like three years ago, this girl from my high school texted me. We like kept in touch and she runs like a production company. She's like, I'm putting together this video series where I'm putting like pairing like celebrities, influencers with different Holocaust survivors to make a video that will share like each day of Hanukkah. It'll be like a different celeb.

And I was like, duh, love. She introduced me to like who I would be speaking with. His name was Mark. And we met at a studio downtown and I interviewed him.

And let me tell you, like, I fell in love with him from the minute I met him. And we've become best friends ever since. Like, also with his family. He has, like, two daughters and a ton of grandkids who are, like, toasters and, like, college age. So, like, we love. And he's from New Jersey. And we're just... We're literally best friends. Like, we talk all the time. And now we started to do that video every year. Like, the series no longer exists. Just, like, me and Mark, it's kind of, like, become a Hanukkah staple. And everybody really looks forward. And every year when we release a video, we...

raise money for his foundation. He has a foundation called the Mark Schoenwetter Holocaust Education Foundation where they give grants, like any teacher, if you're a teacher, you can go on his website and apply because there's no Holocaust curriculum and like public schools don't have funding for like textbooks or anything. So they give out grants, like people will apply and they choose people to give grants for like buses to museums or

curriculum, Holocaust education. And it's really, really powerful. And I know so many toasters who are teachers have applied and some of them have even gotten the grants. And so it's a small foundation, but we're getting bigger. And every year we raise money when me and Mark do our video. Small but mighty. I think we've raised like $200,000 in the last couple of years. So we filmed our video, our annual Hanukkah video. We made sufganiyot, which is like the traditional Hanukkah treat. It's basically a jelly donut. It's so good. We went to like the famous bread's bakery and baked them together. Um,

And I don't know if I shared just kind of big news with me. I don't know. Did I share this? Mark actually, his daughters, a couple of months ago, they asked me, yeah, me, to be a board member of their

organization, which never been on the board of anything before. I just felt it felt powerful. I was like, oh, OK, board. We have a meeting next week. It is. They don't ask like slobs to be on the board. No, it's like actually really serious. Yeah, that's awesome. So when I was sharing that I was with Mark, I wanted to share because so many people were like, oh, my God, what was Mark's reaction to your pregnancy? And I actually forgot to share that when Mark found out I was pregnant, he left me a voicemail.

And it was seriously, like I actually can't even listen to it too many times. It like makes me so emotional. It was the sweetest thing ever. And I am going to play it for everyone because it's too sweet. It's too sweet. Let me get. Claudia and Mark greater than Ben and Alex Guarnaschelli. It's like not even a comparison. Okay, you guys ready? Like seriously, get your tissues. It's the sweetest thing. Hi, Claudia. This is Mark Shonweta.

First of all, and the most important thing, I want to say congratulations. I am so happy to hear that you're going to be a mommy. All the best to you. Hopefully, we will see each other soon. And all the best again. Feel well. Do things well. And congratulations. Talk to you soon. Bye.

Feel well, do things well. Do things well, bitch, okay? Yeah, like that's... You know what he's saying. Of course I do. That's literally some of the best advice I've ever received. I agree. It's too much. I love him. So stay tuned for that video. You guys are going to quake when you see what we got into. Ooh, I'm excited. Have you ever been in the back of a bakery?

Like, no. No. Let me tell you, Jackie, it's like seriously the most amazing place you could ever be. Like, there's just like food everywhere. And I know they had to clean it. Is there really? Yes. Like, I feel like it's one of those things where it's like, it's just there's flour everywhere. Yes. Okay, fine. There's not like edible food. Not actually edible goods. The edible goods are in the front where you chop. There's powdered sugar. There's dough. It's like seriously like a fairyland. And I guess, like, I know they had to, I know they had to like clean the whole place after I left because I was like putting my finger in everything and being like, yeah, what's this? Like, I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So stay tuned for that.

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Story a little social media drama Matty Healy stepped in it by going to Twitter war with Azalea Banks So after a heated social media exchange between Matty Healy and Azalea Banks he says he'll stick to Music he said guys I don't have the right Kind of intelligence emotional maturity etc For social media I literally just end up Saying stuff that I immediately regret etc I'm actually just gonna stick to music because I'm Good at that having manic episodes on Twitter at 35 is kind of pathetic

So this started because Azalea Banks called out Charlie XCX.

who is engaged to his bandmate. Yes. I didn't know that. And I also know that she's friends with Maddie's fiance. Good friends. Yeah, no, it's like a 1975, like, you know, circle groupie type of thing. So I knew that. So him defending her wasn't shocking to me, but Azalea, like, you know, she likes to take swings at people who literally aren't even like talking to her. And so she did that. And I think most of the time she expects nobody to respond, but somebody major responding. And she took the opportunity to eviscerate this man that,

Seriously, I think Taylor Swift is going to send her flowers. Like she came for his teeth, his music, his life, his family, his fiance. What he first said, because she was like talking about Charlie XCX looks and he said, Azalea, you seem to have a blind spot when it comes to your reads. All the women you attack seem to be culturally relevant, attractive, divisive, and nice people.

Did this have confused me? It's he, it confused him too. Cause he used the wrong word. Okay, cool, cool, cool. He said, I think this makes you jealous cause you're so talented, but everything about everything else about you is a failure. Just rap, bro.

So he was defending his friend and he also, like, in turn, like, he also then attacked back, which I think was his first mistake because, like, he awoke the beast of Azalea. And she then went on to, like, berate him. And that's why the tweet you just read, he was like, listen, I didn't want... Never mind. Yeah. No, he...

He regrets having started with her because she ate him alive. She ate him up. Yeah. There are so many tweets. She talks about his fiance, Gabrielle. He said, the bitch looks like Frankenstein to me. You both look like you share needles. LMAO. Um, then she also went in, she went, she did a whole dissertation on his teeth and like gingivitis and dental health. Um,

And then she also threatened to sue Healy and leak DMs in which she apologized to her. She concluded by attacking the Mattie Healy for quote, getting fined $4 million for kissing a man on stage in Malaysia, doing a Nazi salute, watching violent porn, being a heroin addict, writing shitty songs, randomly attacking black women and

Capping for trash white bitches. Who's that? Is that? Lying for trash white bitches. Capping is lying? Yes, it is. Oh, okay. Like no cap. I'm not lying. Oh, but he was capping. He was capping. I don't know what all of this is referring to. All I know is like if I ever end up in a place where Azealia Banks is ever talking about me on her social media, like actually take me out back and shoot me.

I couldn't handle it. Azalea Banks, I love you. I respect you. I bow down. Please never, may this type of beef never find me. Yeah. It's so, it's so true. So he's excluding himself from this narrative, one in which he actually started. But at the end of the day, like I can't fault him for just wanting to defend his friend. Like this is his friend's fiance. I'm sure they know each other really well, him and Charlie. His mistake was also like retaliating and trying to like, you know, take digs at Azalea, calling her like not relevant. And you know, she was like,

Yeah, a failure. She only comes for beautiful women. Yeah. So that was a mistake. Maybe she wouldn't have like came for him so hard if he just was defending his friend. Yeah, he was just like, I think Charlie XS is a beautiful woman. Never looks better. Right, right. And anyone who falls in the crosshairs of Azalea Banks has my utmost sympathy for her.

Matty Healy is not like a sympathetic person. I just like, I have a hard time feeling bad for him. So just like, sorry. Yeah. Like, sorry, why? That sucks. I don't know if Azalea and Lurd are going to be exchanging pleasantries. Like even though technically the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yeah. There's a lot of politics at play here. Yeah. So that was a lot. Yeah. Azalea makes this really interesting to me. Yeah. Yeah.

And she, I feel as though she speaks the truth a lot. Like she has been at the center of a lot of, I mean, Elon and Grimes, like that was literally her. She was the one like living with them. Right. Yeah. Um, so, and I feel like even though she isn't really like not to sound like Maddie Healy, she's not like super relevant in terms of like music making, um,

I feel like she gets like into rooms that other people aren't in and then she like literally blows up the room. Yeah. She's so, she's so interesting. She's an interesting cat. I wonder why nobody has done like a full feature on Azalea Banks. Like she actually moves the needle culturally. Yeah.

Yeah. Maybe that's coming. Maybe after Aaron Rodgers. Like a paper magazine type or interview mag, you know, like those sort of artsy ones. Yeah. I mean, maybe they have, but are you reading interview mag? No, but there would be big headlines. And especially because they always have other celebrities do it. It would be like Azalea Banks by Grimes. Right. And she's so quotable. She is. No, her reads are like seriously. Maddie Healy calling his dentist a madman.

They're expert level reads. Like seriously, they're very eloquent. They're not the typical like, you're ugly. No, they're deep cuts. She seriously, it's an art the way she does it. It's quite beautiful when it's not you. Yeah, agreed. And please, God, may it never be me. Well, our next story, speaking of the Lurd universe.

- The Lurdiverse. Actually, I guess now Lurd and Turd, we're getting very close. - Perfect. - But Amy Adams is reacting to a petition that would cast her as Taylor Swift's publicist in a biopic.

So if the Swifties have anything to say about it, Amy Adams might just have her next role lined up. After a fan theorized that Amy would win an Oscar for her portrayal of Taylor Swift's publicist Tree Payne in a potential biopic, the six-time Academy Award nominee reacted to a petition for the fantasy casting. She said on The Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon, she said, that would be amazing. That would be so fun. I mean, if it got closer, if it got me closer to Taylor, then that would be fun. LOL. That's really funny because Tree Payne is like a, you know,

famous redhead. And so when you think of like who would play you in a film, there's only a handful of people, Isla Fisher and Amy Adams and Jessica Chastain. But I guess the Swifties have chosen Amy Adams. I have no problem with this.

Yeah. I've never really like looked at a lot of pics of tree pain. I didn't even realize like she's beautiful. She's a redhead. She's also like a tall, slender. She looks like a model. Like she's gorgeous. Yeah. When she is in these rooms, I bet some people think she's famous. Like that's how pretty she is. How did they meet? You know,

You know what? I actually don't know, but there is a, there is a point in Taylor's career where, where tree pain enters and everything changes. Like there was such a, a shift in, and tree is really responsible for the whole, you know, Easter egg universe, the mystery, like that's all Taylor nation. Yeah. Like,

That's all Tree. So I actually would love a movie or like some sort of documentary. It couldn't happen now. It would need to happen like in a hundred years. Yeah. But it is really interesting. Like she's very smart and she doesn't have other clients. Like she's not a publicist. Even the biggest celebrities, they all share a couple of the same publicist. Tree Payne exclusively works for Taylor. I would love to know how much she gets paid. It's at least a million dollars a year. Like she doesn't do any other work. Like Tree is for Taylor and that's it. Yeah. Which is very uncommon for a publicist.

Yeah. You get paid monthly by like a bunch of different people. Right. I think she makes a lot more than that. You think she makes more than a million dollars a year? 100%. How much you think? Five? Ten?

Because she's obviously a publicist, so she handles all of Taylor's media relations. But she's also an advisor to Taylor. I think Taylor trusts her strategy. How much would you pay a C-suite executive? Right, right. Of a billion dollar corporation. Yeah, it's actually so true. You pay them like $60 million a year. Yeah. I would love to know. Or is it like a typical publicist retainer?

Hell no. No, but maybe like, you know, you get paid per month. That's how publicists work. And most celebrity publicists, I feel like, are between like $8,000 and $10,000, $12,000 a month. Maybe Tree's getting $100,000 a month. Oh, sure. I don't know what the payout, like what her billing cycle looks like. Right. If she's on salary. Yeah. Or if she's a contractor. Do you think she has health insurance with Taylor? Like things like that. Hmm. Great question. No, I'm sure she has her own company with like staff that like,

I don't know. This is what the biopic would dig into. What sort of, what's the health insurance policy? And I love that Amy Adams is game. Yeah. Cute. Maybe one day. That is how things start sometimes. Like as like an internet joke. But I wouldn't find it, like I would find it hard to believe if they released it now. Like. And also I feel like no one's writing up tree pains biopic. Like she would have to write a memoir or something. Like memoirs of a tree. Oh my God. I would love that.

Right, and then that could be adapted. I just don't think like someone's going to go start like shadowing Trey. That's not going to happen. I would also love to know what Trey's career was like prior to working with Taylor. Like how do you even get on the desk of Taylor Swift? Maybe she was working for a publicist firm on Taylor's account and then went in-house. She has been the exclusive publicist of Taylor Swift since 2014. She went to the University of Southern California and she was a Pi Beta Phi sorority. Oh.

So she began her career as an intern. Oh, I guess she worked all in music. She worked at a British label. Then she worked at a marketing manager at a different label and then an executive assistant at A&R and then...

Yeah. What was her last job before? In 1995, she joined Interscope Records as a West Coast marketing and artist development rep. She worked with No Doubt, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, etc. Then she left to start her own street marketing company, retaining Bonnie Raitt as her first ever client, the country star. Like she's like an old school country girl, swirly Bonnie Raitt. She has big red hair. Do you know her? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, over the years, her client roster grew to include labels like Warner Records, Capitol Records. Oh, wow. London Recordings, 143 Recordings. In 99, she merged her company with Immortal Records and created IR Street Marketing. She then took a position at WME in Beverly Hills, where she met Gail Holcomb, the vice chairman of the ACMs. So then she began getting hired by the ACMs in 2002 to oversee media, radio, marketing, and the academy. Okay.

2007. She joined Warner Music Nashville. Oh, okay. This was her last job. Okay. She joined Warner Music Nashville as VP for publicity. In 2013, she was promoted to Senior Vice President of Publicity. She oversaw all publicity for Warner Music Group's country and Christian divisions. So it was publicity. Then in 2014, Payne announced that she was leaving Warner Music, starting her own firm, Premium PR. Her first and only client was Taylor Swift. Okay.

The rest is her story. Oh, whose publicist, prior publicist, who she had worked with for seven years. Taylor's prior publicist was named Paula Erikson. She resigned. So all good. Yeah. And the rest is her story. That is so interesting. Not to spoil the biopic or the memoir, but there you go. There you have it. So she's really like, she kind of reminds me a lot of Bose from Real Housewives, like really climbing the corporate ladder, became the VP of Warner Music. And that's where she met Taylor. Yeah.

She doesn't remind me of her at all, but. Why? She had like a million jobs at like high profile companies. Yeah. And she was probably like extremely well paid as the head of publicity. How old is she? She. Yeah, that's a good question. Look as old as her resume. She was. Where's her birthday? 1971. Oh, but this is weird. Have you ever seen this? Tree pain born 1971 or 1972. I love that for her.

Keep them guessing. So she's in her 40s. Are you just too available? Thank you. She's 53. Never mind. Oh, wow. Okay. She looks amazing. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Mm-hmm.

Meghan and Harry. There's a lot of rumors swirling about Meghan and Harry. They've been at separate events and Harry is addressing the divorce rumors, like sort of in New York City. But she was supporting Tyler Perry at an L.A. event this week and he was in New York. They haven't been. They posted that video a while ago, but there's been a lot of like divorce rumors about them. There always is. I never take them seriously. Yeah, I don't. Not that this feels different. And I also feel like even if they are going to get divorced, like they won't.

No, although I do want to say I do ship Megan and Tyler Perry. He was so there for her in her time of need. He was. His billion dollar homes. Um,

And I think that she would be really happy. But I agree. I happen to think that a lot of the divorce rumors are overblown. But of course, sometimes where there's smoke, there's fire. But even if there was like an issue in their marriage, like I don't think it would be wise for their businesses, but also for like their own psyche to ever really admit to the public that it didn't work out. No, no two people are more bound to each other than these two.

for life. So he dispelled divorce rumors while speaking in New York. He said, apparently we've bought or moved houses 10, 12 times. We've apparently divorced maybe 10, 12 times as well. So it's just like, what? He went on to say that he feels sorry for internet trolls who look for ways to tear down the pair. He said, it's hard to be sorry. We're having so much fun.

Don't feel bad for us. We might not have palaces and you know, but we are having a good time. We are having fun. I don't know that he's having fun. I feel like she's having fun. She's at an event. That's super fun. Yeah, no, she's with her boyfriend, Tyler Perry.

I don't think he's having fun getting tattoos with Jelly Roll. No. He said it's hard to keep up with, but that's why you just sort of ignore it. Their hopes are just built and built, and it's like, yes, yes, yes, and then it doesn't happen. So I feel sorry for them. I genuinely do. I just want to say I hope I do not want them to get divorced at all. That would be the craziest thing.

not good I wouldn't want that I hope that they I hope that they're really happy together you know for everything of course everything that they you know risked I hope it worked out I want a happy ending for these two and I also want her fucking cooking show is what I want I'm just I just wanted to make sure I didn't know if Tyler Perry was single but it's apparently he's been single since 2020 interesting right around the time he met Megan

Literally. She Megzited it in 2020. She Megzited it right into his heart. Yeah, the thing is, is we could project and, you know, guess all we want about these two, but you're right in that they have far too much to lose. Business-wise, pride-wise, like a million things. Not even pride.

They could never. So who knows what the hell's going on inside that house? Yeah, but they really like don't, they're not together publicly like that much. A lot. They like are public figures and that's the job. Yeah. But they're not public a lot, period. But you could always say like, you never know what goes on inside. People don't have to be together, whatever. Cause I do believe that, but they're literally like a famous couple. Throughout history, actually. They are famous. They're famous for being a couple.

Yeah. So the long distances where we don't like see them together and they're not like do they used to be like side by side never without the other which also you know it's good to have space. Um.

I imagine it's a hard time for them. They're sort of finding their feet in this big new world. I think that there was a time where, yes, they were like a famous couple and they were spot. But I think their life has changed so much and they've actually set it up intentionally that they're not photographed as much as they once were. Like every outing when they were royals was like an official outing. So there was like a million pictures of them. I think they have kind of designed their life

to have like less public appearances. But you're right in the sense that like the last couple of times we've seen both of them, it has been individually. Yeah, I do. I do see what you're saying about her and Tyler Perry. And I know there's chemistry there for sure. And you're always like you're always going to like feel warm towards the person who rescued you. It's kind of like the damsel in distress trope. A hundred percent. OK, keeping an eye out. Something to think about. For sure. Are you ready for our next story? Yes. Oh, no. Sorry. Oh, my God.

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Our next story, Carrie Underwood will headline the 2025 New Year's Rockin' Eve with host Ryan Seacrest on ABC. Well, that's crazy because I feel like there are currently really two big New Year's Eve bashes. Dick's Rockin' Dick and Clark. This is Dick's.

Yeah. But also Nashville, the big country one, that's like really been coming up recently. And it's CBS, I think. And I feel like the last couple of years we've literally toggled between both channels. So for Carrie to kind of take a stand, not with country, it's very interesting. Well, you know, she's an NBC swirly with that. ABC. Oh, never mind. This is ABC. And also she's doing American Idol. And it's like, yeah, she could be just another country singer or she could join like the nation, be the face of like the nationwide program. Like she's kind of.

Stepping on up. Elevated past it, yeah. Yeah, she said, bye losers. I'm going to New York. No, she's taking like mainstream. I forgot that she's a judge on American Idol coming up. Yeah, she'll take the stage in New York City's Times Square to ring in 2025 on Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve with Ryan Seacrest on ABC. In addition, other performers include Megan Maroney. Love, oh. British singer-songwriter Sophie Ellis-Bexter.

I don't know her. Well, multi-hyphenate Diana Torres will return as a co-host in Puerto Rico. So it'll be a global affair. A global affair. Cool. Did you see Kelly Clarkson last night hosting the Rockefeller Center? No, I was reading Shred Sisters. I recorded it because I literally want to watch it, but I was out. I heard she crushed it. Just absolutely crushed it. Of course she did. A consummate professional. NBC is actually, I would say, the best network when it comes to

finding talent and like really fostering. Like this is, I think the second year Kelly's done it. She's obviously a huge part of the NBC family with her show. And then the OGs were, of course they're like, I saw Hoda and Savannah, you know, I saw they were celebrating their last one together. Oh yeah. It was bittersweet. That is sad. The same for the Thanksgiving day parade. Yeah. That was Hoda's last soiree. Damn. And the year is ending, which means so was Hoda's contract. Like it's coming. Yeah. And Jenna and friends, right?

Yeah. Jenna and friends. Well, it's great to see big talent at Dick's Rockin' Dick and Clark. I like this. I think this is a strong choice. Same, same. Although the other headliners, I mean, the other performers, like, it was lackluster. Maybe more. And I feel like it's usually. Maybe more will be announced. And also Carrie's going to be singing.

What do young people watch? I remember when we were growing up, it was Dick Clark. Seriously, it was only one channel. Young people like Gen Z? Yeah, are they not watching cable? They're out at a party, I think. No, but still, when we were...

kids before we were out at a party what were we watching before we were out okay so like when we're tweeting we're watching abc dick clark dick clark so what are what are the those kids today watching i think dick clark because it's what their parents are putting on right i feel yes i guess but i feel like that like tiktok does like live streams like they do live at the oscars they go live everywhere and they have like their talent host i feel like that's what a lot of people watch the idea of ringing in the new year like looking at your phone just seriously makes me horrible turn on the tv

And there's always CNN, Andy. There's always CNN. And that's like a very, I feel, niche. Like, I don't think they have the biggest numbers, but they make, they always make a lot of news. Yeah. And I think they're bringing alcohol back this year. Yeah. Or they're taking it away. No, they took it away last year and like, it was funny, but not sustainable. Mm-hmm.

And I believe they've been given the green light to bring it back. Okay, cool, cool. Prohibition is over. So yeah, well, I'll watch a bit of each. I'll watch Carrie. I'll watch Nashville, depending on commercials. I probably won't watch CNN, but I will watch the clips. Like Andy always goes viral when he called Ryan Seacrest a loser. Yeah. That's when the alcohol was banned after that, which I feel, but it was funny. Right, right. Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

Ah, bidding is such sweet sorrow. Pete Davidson divulges how much SNL cast members are paid and it's less than you think. So in a recent video roundup for New York Magazine, Pete Davidson and SNL co-stars past and present, a bunch of cast members through the years. I thought it was cute. Were asked, what was your biggest splurge after your first SNL paycheck?

So a lot of people answered the question with their answers, which we'll get to. But he said, do you guys want to know what they pay us? He said, do you guys know what they pay us? It's like three grand an episode. I think I got dinner. So by his math, a cast member would make about 54 to $66,000 per year. Because just remember, it's not- Because I was just going to Google how many episodes they do. Yeah, it's not, you know, every single week. It's-

So, but then also it's a platform. You got other jobs. So that's not like the only thing that you're doing. But after your first big paycheck, like you're not really, you know, going and buying a Birkin. A lot of people, weirdly, a lot of cast members answered that they bought a couch. That's funny. Paid rent. Louis Dreyfus bought a pair of shoes. Yeah, well, I'm trying to think.

That's the starting salary, right? Like Keenan is getting what? 10, 20? Yeah. And also the people who are like writers and producers like Colin Jost. Right. He wears many hats. He's like obviously paid as a cast member. He's on the show, but he writes a lot of the sketches. He's, I think, is he head writer? Something. So yeah, you, I feel like if you're a writer, you actually are on salary. Right. And the question is with your first paycheck. So that's your starting first lowest. Right.

you're going to get, it's about 3K. I feel like it has to be a little bit more if you're like, like I think of like a Bowen Yang because Bowen Yang, he has a podcast, but he had said with Wicked, you are not allowed to take on other projects while SNL is going.

currently on air. Like you are. And Ariana called Lorne Michaels and was like, listen, please. And like that, I guess they have like a special relationship. Bowen was like, and he got special permission, but for the most part, like however many weeks it is a year, like you aren't barred from working on anything else. Yeah. Well, I know, but I think Bowen's first season, he made the standard starting salary, but then it's like where you, then you are worth more. Perhaps everyone has different teams and negotiations. Yeah. I,

I never thought of SNL as like a really high paying job. No. I feel like it's one of those jobs. I forget whose book. Oh, it was Kenan's book where obviously when he got SNL, it was like the craziest thing that ever happened to him. And that first like year or two was like, it's not like fun. And he was also struggling to like stand out. Like he wasn't booking good. He wasn't getting, writing good sketches. None of them were getting picked up. But yeah, it's a dream job, especially for anyone comedy. But I feel like it kind of sucks. It's not like, you know, the riches. Yeah. And it's not glamorous. It's like, like,

Six days in a row you don't go home. You're up until four in the morning. Like it's like gritty. It's a grind. You're grinding. Yeah. So the fact that they're not paid well doesn't surprise me. These people become movie stars, TV stars. Sometimes. Most of the time.

No, actually. Like there's a lot of people who have come from SNL, but you think about how many castmates there have been. It's not a guarantee. No, it's nothing. Nothing in life is guaranteed, Trini. But like every time you watch any comedy movie, like all the second and third actors are from SNL. Like you can get yourself in a movie unless everybody hates you. In which case, work on yourself. It's go to therapy. Yeah. So interesting factoid.

Yeah, I thought that was it New York or New Yorker magazine? It was New York magazine. I thought it was cute. I don't know what the occasion was, but they got together. I feel like they keep celebrating an SNL anniversary like SNL 50 or 40. It's 50 this year. I remember SNL 40. They had that big star-studded party. Yes, so that was 10 years ago. Why would we remember it so clearly? I feel like there was something much more recent. Maybe it was 45. Yeah.

No, I think they really only celebrate decades. That would be crazy if they're celebrating every five years. So in 2014, we weren't even doing the show. Why would I remember so clearly a party? I remember though, SNL 40, like 100%. What was happening? Everyone was there. Adam Sandler. And I think that was maybe one of the first times I realized how many famous people I know because they started on SNL. Like I was shocked at, and like Molly Shannon, like how every single funny person got their start. Even this one, I didn't realize Jason Sudeikis was on SNL.

I did. But he's done so much since then that he has eclipsed. Sometimes people never, you know, they go on to be famous, but they're always known for what they did on SNL. Yeah, I feel like Molly Shannon's like that in a good way. But even like Tina Fey and Amy Poehler couldn't be more successful. Like they're so SNL to me. Kristen Wiig. And I guess because they also like still are always swimming in that pool, whereas Jason Sudeikis is in other pools now. Right, like Chris Rock was. Yeah, that's one I don't think about. Adam Sandler, of course. I don't think about that. Jimmy Fallon.

Seth Meyers. See, I don't know. I think, I think on Seth Meyers. Actually, don't quote me on that. See, there's a lot, like most of the time and a lot of the time, like you can have big success. Yeah, he was. Oh yeah, he did a weekend update. Oh yeah, that makes sense. Cool, cool. All right, now of course I'm doing famous SNL actors. Will Ferrell. He's so SNL, even though he's also- Maya Rudolph. So SNL. Oh, Mike Myers. Pretty SNL. That's like Wayne's World, right? He's pretty SNL.

Yeah. Bill Murray. From Groundhog Day? Yes. Not so SNL, but I mean. Groundhog Day, yeah. Sorry, Caddyshack. Yeah. Fred Armisen and Andy Samberg. Classic. Andy Samberg is SNL. Cecily Strong is SNL. But she also, besides the Triska commercials, really didn't do much after leaving. But like if she wants a small role in a movie, she's got it. Thousand percent. Molly Shannon. Oh, Tracy Morgan.

Pretty SNL, but eclipsed. But I guess Tina Fey. He's not SNL because he's TGS. Yeah, he's the girly show. Julia Louis. This is TGS. TGSS, the girly swirly show. Julia Louis-Dreyfus. Yeah, I guess, I don't know if I knew that before I read about the shoes right now. I don't know if I knew that either. Yeah, because like. Because I think of Seinfeld. And that's pretty much it for, no, it says Robert Downey Jr. That's wrong. No.

Yes, even cast members who didn't have a memorable run on SNL have gone on to great. So people like flop and get fired after a couple of seasons. Like, yeah, they can still have greatness thrust upon them. Ben Stiller. I guess he was like not great on it. So people don't know him from that. But he's also an hippo baby. Interesting. If you go down, it's like an interesting rabbit hole. It is. It is.

Even like Eddie Murphy. Yeah. Even modern people who like were on five years ago, if they've done something bigger, I kind of forget. Like, yeah, but there's also, we're still like, we're going to, we're like waiting to see a little bit. Like what does Kate McKinnon go on to do? You know? Yeah. Yeah.

Of course, Martin Short. Yeah, Robert Downey Jr. Short-lived. He only appeared on the show from 85 to 86, one season. He has continued to consistently work after that, starring in different films. That's so crazy. I think you could say he's consistently working. Yeah. I think you could say that for sure. Same with Ben Stiller. I guess he kind of flopped. Of course, Chris Farley. Of course. And Sarah Silverman. Oh, she was only on for one season, too. She shit the bed. That's so interesting. Yeah. She only spent one season.

Well, it's also interesting to know like certain movies like or comedy like concepts were born on SNL. Like Superstar. Mary Catherine Gallagher. Superstar. We loved that movie growing up. Wayne's World. Yes. I had no idea Mary Catherine Gallagher was an SNL bit turned into a movie. Yeah. And I guess it makes sense why Will Ferrell was in it. It's such a good movie. So good.

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