Rachael Kirkael: Wednesday, January 29th, 2025
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Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to The Toast and happy Wednesday. It is hump day! Don't forget to hump someone you love and speaking of somebody I love. Hello, Jackie, how are you? I'm good. First hump day in the Pargy News studio. PNS. Should we hump the new furniture like you had suggested? Yeah, I think we should christen it. It deserves a christening. Right, a christening of sorts. Are you first? Oh, goodness. Let me put out my favorite song, Fat, Juicy, Wet by Bruno Mars.

- No, unfortunately, as much as I want to, I can't hump the furniture because I don't wanna take the auto focus on the new camera off of my face. - Right, sure, excuses, excuses. - Yeah, I wouldn't want to disturb the new technology. So unfortunately I can't hump publicly, though you guys know how that thrills me.

Without technology. Without technology. Shout out to the camera and the counselor. One of the best children's books ever written. And I'm not just saying that because I wrote it, but it comes back into the rotation like every once in a while. You know how we cycle through books and every single time I'm like, this is fire flames and it will bring a tear to the eye. I didn't write it. And I also think it's one of the greatest books.

children's books ever written. Although you guys know how I feel about children's book, looking at them with a fresh adult eye, a lot of them don't stand the test of time. Like a lot of them are pieces of shit teaching our children like poor values. - No, teaching our children to dull their shine. That's a common theme. - Correct the rainbow fish. - Rainbow fish. - Correct. - But also like pout pout fish. I didn't like pout pout fish vibe either, which is actually crazy 'cause it was recommended to me by Dana and we're aligned on everything in this world. But like phobisina punum should it be called?

It really makes you think like, what are we teaching our children? Which is why it's so important to just like plop your kids in front of the TV and make them watch the toast. If you want them to grow into adults who are cool and funny, you know? It's really so true. Also a lot of toasters who have had babies, like since I've published my book. So it's been like a year and a half. So a year and a half worth of, of little toasters. They have now come to the book. They're like, oh, I bought it. Cause like we were buying children's books and they're like, it's so good for, so for so many people, it's like their first time reading it when they do have their child. And yeah,

I love hearing from everyone. Never gets old. We're kind of like two published authors. A lot of people don't know that either. I feel like as much as we can make mention of it, we do. It's worth mentioning. Yeah, we are two published authors, which is so low-key.

We are always bragging about our beauty and our wits and our charms, but not so much about our literary accomplishments. I feel like I really don't talk about my beauty or my charm as often as I should, given how much beauty and charm I have. You don't think at the end of every episode when you encourage people to say that we're beautiful, stunning, and wickedly talented, that that's that? That's what kids these days call affirmations. This is me in the mirror every morning.

I am beautiful. I am stunning. I am wickedly talented. I am beautiful. I am stunning. I am wickedly talented. And let me tell you that shit works. I was watching the Rachel Kirkconnell interview on Call Her Daddy last night. And she said something like two times about being like beautiful, smart, and blank. And I was like, oh, it's giving toast. To be honest, I had heard once that she was a toaster. Yeah. I think she told me that. That doesn't feel incongruous. She came to the Spritz party and that, yeah, she did say that when she came to the Spritz launch party. And we were like, what? Us?

Yeah, I don't know if she still keeps up every day. And we are going to talk about her interview on Call Her Daddy. There's actually a lot to talk about today. I watched The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills last night. Well, actually, I watched it this morning, as did you. Rachel, you're saying Kirk and Elle.

Kirk Connell. You know what? I'm just going to try a bunch of different stuff. And we'll probably settle on Rach. But I still don't have a grasp. Alex was pronouncing it different than Kirk Connell. I think she was saying Kirk Connell yesterday. So I'll go with that. I say Kirk Connell and I just feel like it's right. Yeah. I don't know how we all got so confused. It's not really a confusing name.

It's kind of like a very normal name. It's giving Irish like, you know what I think it is. I think it's the extra A in her name. That's preemptively throwing you off from pronouncing it. Richelle Kirkainel, thousand percent. I think that A. Because now you're looking at letters differently when you, when you read her name. It's true. You start to second guess yourself. You're like, are things pronounced and spelled the way I think? No. We're both, first of all, wearing white pants, which is just crazy for both of us. I guess neither of us are on our periods. Yeah.

But you were also wearing my pants. And I think we should talk about the thievery that occurred. Yeah. So when you came in December, you had sent a bunch of stuff to the house, some new clothes. And I opened all your packages and put it away in your new wardrobe. And when I was doing that, I had my eye on some things. Now, of course, I would never like preemptively swipe.

They went into your closet. You wore them while you were here. And I couldn't stop thinking about these pants. So I went and I took them. And what I like about these pants is in person, they look really bad on me. Like if, if we're one-to-one, like you could see the outline of the pockets. I think you could see my underwear is too dark. Like really, they look terrible. They're too long. They make my hips look like they look like shit. Um, but I think they're perfect for the show.

Yeah, I wouldn't say that they're like the most flattering pants I ever bought, which is why I didn't give you a hard time when I saw you were like rifling through my things. But they're pants, you know, sometimes you just need pants. It's true. And the other day I wore them with a bodysuit, which actually kind of solved a lot of those issues I was talking about. But today, the way I'm wearing them, they look terrible in person. But I think with our new chairs, it's actually kind of perfect. Yeah.

Hopefully. So yes, first hump day, first Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. A lot of firsts happening on this beautiful Wednesday in our gargy-pargy new studios. As always, this is week one, a work in progress. Tweaks are still being made. I love that we have so many audio and video technicians who listen to our show. And suddenly everyone's a critic, you know?

But we're making updates every day. I've had some more soundproofing done. So just to know, we know there's still things to be done. We have to shut down our faces. We are getting there. We did a major troubleshooting session yesterday and this morning, ran multiple tests. Yeah. Scored 1,600. The tests were being taken. Yeah, it's getting standardized. Scored 1,600 out of 2,400. Yeah.

So we'll see how today. Every day is just kind of like a little bit of a test run. We don't have the luxury of doing a weekly podcast where we can work out all these kinks in a week. We have to work them out in a matter of hours. And so it'll be a couple more days before I think we really hit everything perfectly and we'll be in our official new groove. But I already feel like, you know, vast improvements have been made and I appreciate all the positive feedback. And yeah. Me as well. Me as well. Me as well. Retweet.

Sis. Oh, huge things. So many different ways to say me as well. So many huge things happening for me yesterday. I saw Miss Mayonnaise.

Oh, yes, of course. Ben and I attended, like, you know, in this line of work, we attend a lot of fabulous events, trips to the Cape, Clambakes, things of that nature. And most of the time it's like geared towards me, you know, it's like beauty events and like fashion. No, this event was designed for Ben and he was literally taking notes. He wants to, so Hellman's Mayonnaise had like a big party to celebrate their new Super Bowl commercial, which...

I'm like, I don't know if it's out yet. Actually, we have a story about Super Bowl commercials. So if you have something to say, put it in the book. Whatever. Ben was having the time of his life. Like seriously, there was so much free food and it was like, is that Katz's Deli? Like famous Jewish style deli. So Ben was just going. And kosher meat. It's not kosher. But he ate a hot dog. Yeah. Ben just sort of like, Ben had said, actually we had a disagreement about this on the way home. He was like, I feel like having non-kosher meat at a place like that, like is fine. Like it's basically kosher. Ah,

understand what he's saying, but I just want to say, I feel like the hot dog is probably kosher because it's not. Okay. So we literally met the, we met the owner. So Ben ate the hot dog and we just assumed it was Hebrew national. Like even in like the, any place who eats anything other than a Hebrew national, we like as people who are kosher, we are always eating hot dogs because every, everyone use, unless you're making your own. And so Ben was eating the hot dogs. He thought it was totally safe. And then we met the owner who was so nice. And Ben like had so many questions for him. Ben wanted to get pickle spritz.

in Katz's Deli, which is a great idea. And I was asking him like, you know, and he must get this question all the time because he's like a Jewish guy about like kosher. And he was like, no, I know everyone says it. It's kind of a Shonda.

So it's a kosher style deli, although the meat is not kosher. So that was Ben's, like an opening for him. He's like, I already ate the hot dogs and he ate them in earnest. He thought that they were kosher. So, you know, Ben just then sort of like threw religion to the wind and had a pastrami sandwich. And he said it was the best pastrami sandwich he had ever had in his life. Can I ask what's kosher style if nothing about it is kosher?

Yeah. Like it has Jewish roots. Oh, okay, cool. So nothing about it is kosher. It's a common misconception. A lot of people assume the famous Katz's Deli on the Lower East Side in New York is kosher. It's not. It's kosher style, which it means nothing. Okay. It just means the owners are Jewish. I thought kosher style meant the meat is kosher, but the preparation, it's not dairy and meat. Like pastrami queen is kosher meat, un-kosher kitchen. Pardon?

Actually, I think the kitchen is kosher. Pastrami Queen just doesn't close on Shabbos. Oh, right. So they can't be officially. But a lot of religious Jews I know would still eat Pastrami Queen. Like it's kosher. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I guess like don't ask questions you don't want the answers to. That's why I never ask if the French onion soup uses beef broth at any restaurant. Well, once you get into the weeds. I don't want to know. I just want to know. What are you like Carmen Sandiego investigating things instead of your business? Yeah. So he shouldn't have asked once he already ate it.

Yeah. And then afterwards I went to a halibut, kind of like a very Jewish evening for my friend Alicia, who's getting married. And like they had a microphone. They were like, if anybody wants to say anything, it was like all the girls together. Like,

And then like people started like getting up and I was like, oh my God, I've like known her. I'm like one of the people who've known her here the longest. Like I didn't prepare remarks. So just sort of like winged it. I feel like people really do expect you to speak in situations like that because like you're the public speaker. I'm the personality hire, you know? Yeah. And so, and this happens to be one of my oldest friends. So I'm like, you know what? I just sort of like,

threw caution to the wind. I was like, fuck it. You know? And I literally, I gave such a, I think, and my friend, best friend, Alicia, who's wedding, I mean, whose bridal shower was, her mom's a toaster. She listens every day. So she'll give me feedback. I think Esther, the mom would also corroborate. Like it was probably one of the best speeches ever given. Like I kind of love doing it. You know, you think so much when you have like a paper in front of you and

and you just want to get the words right where I was just really speaking from the heart. Oh and I just made so many funny jokes like joke joke joke joke joke joke joke joke joke and it was the first time I've ever really like spoken off the cuff. Yeah. I kind of have a talent for it. The Turdysburg address? The Turdysburg address yes thank you. Yes. You want to know something so funny you know one of my favorite scenes in any movie is that scene from The Wedding Ringer when they go to a

A wedding, Kevin Hart and Josh Gad. And the groomsman rips up his speech. You know how some people do that? It's like, you know what? I'm going off book. Like, I don't even care about these words. That's like my favorite scene. And then he gets like so flustered. He starts quoting Hitler. Do you know who the actor is in that scene? Who plays the groomsman? Yeah, or the groom. I forgot which one. Let me think. It's so close to home, Claudia. It's so close to home? Yeah. It's so close to home. Are you ready? Josh Peck.

You're fucking kidding me. You have to watch it. You are fucking kidding me. You have to watch it. Have you seen that movie? Have you spoken to Josh about that? No, I just remembered it right now because the last time I told this story about like that's my favorite scene when the groom rips up the speech, people were like, that's Josh Peck. And I didn't realize because at the time that I watched it, like they weren't the good guys yet.

They were the bad guys. They were the bad guys. Oh my God, no, I did not know that. That's the crazy thing about Josh. It's like he's Ben's best friend. He obviously also has this like weird former life of being like a huge Disney star, but he's also like a very successful actor. Like when I was watching The Mindy Project-

One of the girls who's like a nurse, she's like a receptionist. She has a boyfriend who she's like always referencing. And like one episode, we finally meet him. And he's like, he's like a crackhead. And it's Josh. Like, it was seriously, it's so crazy. Should we go to his IMDb?

But I think we would be genuine. And he's in a new movie with Diane Keaton all about summer camp. Okay. He was telling me about it. I think it came out. I think we should watch it. Josh Peck movies and TV shows. Like this is what we would do for anyone. So we shouldn't not do it just because we know. Obviously Oppenheimer comes to mind. Snow Day. Do you remember that movie from when we were kids? Of course I do. Max Keeble's Big Move. Oh my God. He is on the poster. Not Max Keeble. Max Keeble. He's one of three on the poster.

That is so... I think we should know all this. Crazy. I know. No, but there's just so many things. Ice age. Oh, he's got ice age money. Okay. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Why is he doing good guys? I didn't know we were doing ice age. Wow, good for him. And then, I mean, a million other things, but those are the ones that are like part of our DNA, except for ice age. And the crazy thing is, is that I don't even know if like Josh knows how growing up, like

Nobody was a bigger fan of Josh Peck than Ben Soffer. I think sometimes Ben like will be in the shower, like pinch himself that he's best friends with Josh Peck. Like,

Ben was really shaped by that show. And I think as like a heavier kid, he really saw himself in Josh. And if you were to like sit down in therapy and like talk to Ben about like his influences, like he would, it would be Josh from Jake and Josh. And the fact that that's his best friend, like Ben is seriously girl bossed so close to the sun. No, it's true. That would be like me hosting a podcast with Miley Cyrus. Miley. Yeah. And you hosting a podcast with Joe Jonas. Yeah.

Which honestly, like, I don't feel like is the craziest thing ever. No. Podcasts like that come about. I mean, look at good guys, but like, you know, where the influencer and the A-list celebrity come together and make magic. It's so true. What would me and Joe's podcast be called? Camp Turd? Turd Rock? Turd Rock. Probably, right? Yeah. That's the one. That's the one. What would your and Hannah's be called? Oh.

Best of both worlds. Oh my God. Like perfect. Sorry, Snitch. We need the trademark. A thousand percent. I think Hannah probably owns the trademark. Where's Snitch? Have you seen her recently? Who is Snitch in this world? Do we know someone named Snitch? Our sister's at Gilmargo. She's out skiing, I think. Globetrotting. Yeah. Have you seen her recently?

I haven't. And like skiing is like something we do, you know, as a family, we go every year. We didn't go this past year. And so obviously she's like mad at us about it. So she's decided to like recreate our trip. She texted me yesterday, like I'm at the vintage room, which is like where her, Ben and I like got wasted and like did apres ski. And I'm like, oh, yeah.

Cool. She's like sending pictures of our favorite runs to do. She's like, yeah, like just Utah spots. I'm like, yeah, OK, but you're not with your family who loves you. Right. It should hit poorly. It's not. According to her stories, it's not hitting poorly. It's really upsetting. Like when you come to the realization that like life goes on without you. No, it's so true. But I feel like she she had to have come to that realization because we're all kind of just like sad. You know, what is she going to do? She needed to move on from us. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just like sad. Well, at least we have each other and our party new studio and our pianist. Yeah. This is so important to like,

Just be grateful, you know, for what you do have. It's true. It's true. We miss you so much if you ever hear this. And what we do have is five amazing stories. The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. We have to get into the stories because like most of my evening was dominated by television and I need to talk about it. So without further. I'm available. I'm available. Without further ado about our little sister who left us. It is time for the it is time for the fast five stories that you need to know.

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It's just been, it's been an honor, really, truly an honor working with you. Yes. Well, our first story is the big news of the day because Rachel Kirkconnell has sat down for an interview with Alex Cooper on Call Her Daddy. The episode premiered last night and she is sharing her side of what happened in the relationship after not having spoken ever since Matt James like posted his very confusing Instagram photo and caption that we've spent the last two weeks trying to dissect. Now we have all the answers. And I want to say I'm,

Like two parts of me. I'm like, obviously I'm like a gossip girl, like, you know, drama mongering. So I wanted like the tea.

So I was like a little disappointed because it was kind of like a nothing burger. But I'm also thrilled that like she wasn't in a worse situation than we like. And maybe like the internet. I don't know how we got to this place where we thought it was going to be so crazy. Maybe because his post was so fucking bizarre. He kind of like played himself into making this a big story and like making himself the villain. So I'm glad that it wasn't that. But how did we get here? We're like, I don't know what I thought she was going to say. But I was just like, oh. Yeah. The craziest part of this story is what happened after they broke up and how he posted the

Max three hours after they broke up he knew she was on her way to the airport getting on a plane and he also knows that her phone does not connect to airplane Wi-Fi she said ever since she downloaded some VPN she can't connect to airplane Wi-Fi. That's so funny. And he like obviously would know that about his travel partner they just spent the last three weeks going to London and Japan. All over. So he posted that as she's taking off she sees it as she's taking off her friend texts her Rach and

and then no service for 12 hours. So she hadn't told anyone yet because she was just like crying and in shock because basically they were having a very normal time on their trips. They were in Japan and just started to get like irritated by each other as you do when you're with someone up their butt, like cabin fever. Yeah.

And that small fight turned into a larger fight that he, not a fight, but a larger conversation about the issues in their relationship that then he ended the relationship. Her flight, she was set to leave right then anyway, which makes you wonder if he was just like waiting for that moment. Like maybe knew a few days before, but what? You're going to make her move her flight? It's weird when you're out of the country. Right.

She just took her bag left went to the airport was just like crying and upset and he posted that not even three hours later. So she said like if he hadn't posted that like he did and that blew everything she didn't even have one day of peace. She didn't get to tell her family or her friends in her own.

own way. If he hadn't done that, she wouldn't like then be on call her daddy talking about what went wrong in their relationship. But they started talking from the beginning, like the bachelor, what made her go on the bachelor, how she wound up on the show. Her friends put her up for it. It was like not serious.

But then she saw Matt was The Bachelor and she was like, oh, like I would like to meet him. And then she instantly connected with him on the show. They famously did not get engaged on the show, which she said she was like totally fine with. He said that to her off camera. And by the way, at the time, I didn't think it was so crazy. Obviously they had their like big scandal, but also at the time when The Bachelor was like really popular, it was kind of this annoying thing that like these couples who like really had a lot of potential, but didn't want to get engaged would have to like break up. The proposal became this almost like burden in the franchise. So

So the fact that they were able to find a roundabout way to still be together and have a normal relationship and we figured they would get engaged in a year, I actually thought that was kind of nice for them. Obviously, the circumstances that brought them there were terrible. Yes, and to me, they always seemed younger than...

I don't know if they're the same age as everyone, but they just seemed young. So I was like, okay, they're not ready for an engagement. And that's also, you're just taking it seriously. So then they got together after the show. She said in that time, they were so happy, like just good conversations, having fun, like all good. And then the controversy happened with the old photos of her. Right. And yeah,

Matt broke up with her, even though their relationship had been all good. She said he was feeling a lot of pressure and she has a lot of compassion for him in that moment because he was feeling a lot of pressure from people he didn't know, people he did know to break up with her because that was just like a really crazy moment. It was after BLM. And I'm sure everyone remembers the great Southern Bell, Southern. What are those parties called? Old South Party. Oh, yeah. Right, right, right. No. And like the.

serious cancellation of Rachel Kirkconnell. Like that was one of the biggest ones. It was in our world. It was happening the entire season that the show was airing, probably from halfway through the season. And what was so crazy is they were getting closer and closer and everyone knew that she had this scandal and it was like, is he going to choose her? Like, are we going to watch this live on after the final rose? And it was just so crazy. And he broke up with her because he felt like that was the right thing to do. And he didn't want to let people down.

but then they were still talking a little bit and they wound up getting back together. They were deeply in love. Yeah. So they got back together because they missed each other and they liked each other. And, um,

when their relationship started again there were so many power imbalances that what I took away from the episode were the reasons why their relationship didn't work out in the end first of all when you come off of a show like that he's sought out by 40 women and the whole time she has to fight for him he's not there's already an imbalance and she said I think a lot of couples deal with that coming off of the show and especially for when the male is the lead I feel like when the woman is the lead it's

it's just different men and women dynamics. Like a woman is always on a pedestal. Like, yeah, no, but like, it's fine. But I always feel like women in general are like, they have to get the man to propose to him. Even when we talk about Taylor and Travis, she's the most powerful woman in the world. But at the end of the day, she's just waiting for him to make the, like, that's just gender dynamics. But then it's come,

compounded when someone is the bachelor. So coming off of that, she's been proving himself to her. She's always the one who has to like tell him how much she likes her. And then they come into the real world and there's a little bit of that. Plus the world hates Rachel and the world loves Matt. And so she's constantly feeling inferior in their relationship and so insecure. And so she touched on how that year, the first year of their relationship was really hard for her. They would like go to places and events and it's like Matt, Jay,

and Rachel. Everyone loves Matt James. And she was like this villain who everyone was like, she's undeserving of him. Yeah, and that she's this bad person. And I think that when she got broken up with and canceled at the same time, and she seems like someone who can be sensitive and anxious and depressed. I have to imagine that was the hardest thing

of her life period. To be heartbroken, the world hates you telling you you're this terrible person. As if getting canceled isn't the worst fucking thing on the planet. Then your man leaves you. You got broken up with by a guy who you never even...

had a bad moment with yet because you're just in the early days of a blossoming beautiful relationship so like I feel like that must have been so hard for her and they just kept on going with the story until like what's next what's next but I'm kind of like focused on that because I think that set the tone for their whole relationship where she constantly just didn't feel good enough and she would have to say to her about herself in the interview no like Rachel you are good enough she just like was talking so damaged

Talking so negatively about herself in the interview, I feel like she's never really forgiven herself for the things that happened and why she was canceled. And it just like affected her confidence, her, her, her,

place in her relationship and it was just an imbalanced way and so all of those things plagued her throughout the relationship to the point where at the end in Japan she can't even pick a restaurant for them to go to because she's so nervous about disappointing him and maybe he in some ways put pressure on her to be this person but she never said that she kept saying he said the restaurant was fine who cares right so the restaurant thing I think everybody's talking about it's like well Matt's the villain because he made her feel bad even though she's expressly said the whole

time. I was so insecure. Yes. It was me. I think it all stems from those original issues that never got solved and she would say and there were moments of fights that they had that clearly he wasn't showing like compassion and wasn't being a supportive partner. Yeah it's just like okay not he's not a perfect boyfriend. He's not a perfect person. I was getting the sense. He's not a good boyfriend. And I feel like people in the comments are like labeling him with like these clinical terms. Yes I've seen a lot of like. Which I don't like that. Nothing I'm not I'm not

a trained professional I would never label anyone the only vibe I got from him based on what she was saying is like he's a little robotic like a little unemotional she would be going say she was having a hard day emotionally he would give her space to go through it process her feelings and then they would talk about it and Alex was like is that what you wanted she was like no actually like I would have liked to be comforted and of course someone to talk to and feel supported so I just feel like emotionally he couldn't give her what I feel like if you just like follow him on social media like you could receive that that he's very unemotional and very like

Yeah. Robotic. So on an emotional like communication level, they're not good partners for one another. But I think all those other factors from the outside contributed to how she felt in the relationship. It felt like she was like very insecure. And then she also didn't I feel like never wanted to make him upset.

And I think also she is tendency to have like people pleasing tendencies. And then he is the sort of person where it's just like, it's, it's the more you like are trying, the more he's like, why are you trying so hard? I also think when you compare it to other like successful bachelor couples where the male is the lead, you know,

going into the real world and then becoming public figures is just like a part of your job. And I feel like it was very much kind of like the match show. And even when the male is the lead, like male reality stars, they do sort of like fizzle. And naturally like the girl becomes like, you know, a big influencer. Yeah. And she did sort of, but like it was very much the match show. And I also, I think is what you're saying. It's like reflective of the, the, the dynamic of their relationship. And I feel like,

At first it was because she was like canceled. So she was just like glad to be with him and go to things with him. But in the last few years, she has actually very pargy content. She's a very good content creator because she is originally a graphic designer. So she's actually talented in the field of content creation.

And she just never like branched out and did her own thing as a passive consumer. Like I follow her and it's like, why isn't she on tripping with tart? Why isn't she doing these things? Yeah. We know like Matt's things, right? Like food and fitness, Lululemon. What are her, what are her,

What is Rachel like? I feel like she never got to explore that because that initial moment was taken from her where you do typically go out and crush it as an influencer. And then I feel like because she lacked the confidence to like get back out there because she never fully like moved on from this thing, even though it feels like from the outside, it's like, oh, well, people

People have moved on and you guys are together and you made it work. So like, I think we're all moving forward. But to me, I know people are now like taking away from this. Matt is toxic and Matt is a bad boyfriend. They're using big words, emotionally manipulative abuser. Like, I think it's important that we re

refrain from using those terms because they start to lose their meaning. When everybody who's not the best boyfriend ever is an abuser, then there are people who actually abuse and you're like, oh wait, no, this is abuse. Yeah, the thing is she's talking in the interview like someone who has suffered from verbal abuse and my takeaway is that

was from the cancellation. She was so verbally abused by the media, the country, the influencers, everyone like wore this girl down. And that's why she talks so negatively about herself. And that's my, that's my personal takeaway that this is more of a referendum on cancel culture and what it does to a person. Wow. Even four years later than it is on Matt James himself, even though they would have an argument and she would go into the argument upset with him. And then she would leave the argument, just hoping he wasn't upset with her. Like

Yeah, that's not good boyfriend. It's not a good boyfriend, but listen, people get in fights in their relationships all the time. If you had a window into every single relationship, all of you people in the comments would be saying breakup. So you have to remember, like, it's two people. People have arguments in relationships. She is speaking as kindly about him as she can. And then ultimately, at the end of the day, he just didn't see her as his wife and future partner. Now, is that- Which, by the way, was the undercurrent of their entire relationship. With each year that went by, we were like, why aren't these people who are so deeply in love-

Getting engaged. And she hasn't sussed out whether it was really like her and him being incompatible or he has all these hangups because his...

Yeah, he does. He talked about it on his season of The Bachelor. That's also why he didn't get engaged on The Bachelor. Like he definitely has that. And then also maybe he was feeling like she wasn't right for him, but would even the perfect girl. And it seems like she couldn't have done more to try and make the relationship work. She loves him so much, so much so like that picking the best restaurant for his content, like was so overwhelming to her.

that's like the real tragedy and the saddest part of this. Cause you see her, she's such a nice girl. Um, and all she wanted was like to love and be loved. And he made it so hard. Like that was the real takeaway. It's like, he's not a bad person. He's just like kind of a, not a good boyfriend. And he's very specific type of person. And they certainly weren't like a person, like a love language kind of match. Um, but she's just somebody who really wanted, I think asked for very little and received even less in return. Yeah.

That's what's really sad. And then I also think there are common themes in their story just about like girls who are ready to be engaged at two years start to get a little curious and then impatient and the guy doesn't do it. And I think a lot of times like everyone gets across the finish line. You know, it takes some time. I feel like people think that you just like wake up, get engaged. No, you've got to put those things

It's a dance. It's a dance. But sometimes you can do all the right steps and the right moves and it's still a no. And you have to move on and then you're grieving like the person, the relationship, your best friend, your future. The time. Your future that you think maybe in a year from now I'll be getting married and starting to have kids. And instead it's like maybe in a year from now I'll meet someone. Like to me that's the greatest crime Matt James committed was allowing this like really lovely person

beautiful girl full of potential to like sort of waste away under your care. You knew, you knew you have your own issues. Like four years to steal from a woman. It's actually a crime. Like it should, it should be punishable by jail. Like it's one of the worst things you can do to someone, especially somebody who's been vocal about wanting to get married and have kids. Like I ate a perfect world. We could all take our time, but that's not how science works. Like we all,

are on our own journeys and our own clocks. And like to really steal that from a young woman is it's to me. And I don't see people talking about this. Like that's his biggest crime. That's what he's most guilty of jail.

Yeah, that's like so sad. And I feel like in my personal life and then also just you hear stories, like you hear these things happening and that's what is so sad. Like starting over at this age when you were very excited about... And by the way, she's still young, but like, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, but you were... It's prime years you wasted. And also it takes time to meet someone, to confirm that that's the right person, to get married, to start having children. To get over your ex first. Yeah, like...

So I think that's also something that she's really grieving. But it was just kind of sad to see this person who's just been so beat down by the world. And she's such a beautiful girl. Not that, you know, if she weren't beautiful, it wouldn't be sad. But like she would deserve it. But she's exceptionally beautiful. And yeah, she doesn't even see herself that way.

Yeah. That she's so sweet and kind hearted. This person doesn't have like a mean bone in their body. And that was, it's just a very sad situation. I don't think Matt James is the devil. I think the way that he posted the breakup was very wrong and unkind. And she said she has spoken to him since and he regrets that. And that's.

that is what it is. Like that's the story. I also, I also feel like because it's so fresh, like it's great that we got the tea in a matter of days, but like things like this really require time to heal. I feel like you could tell in a lot of the things that she was saying, like still very much like wanting people to think well of him and not wanting to like drag him, which is a really lovely thing to do for somebody you loved for so long. And it's nice to see, but I do think like if there was more there, like,

we would not get it at this stage. Like it was almost too soon to do like a big tell-all because you're still very much like,

In a phase of mourning, you haven't even remotely started healing yet. Yeah, I agree. I feel like I could see in the future, like, her sharing more nefarious behavior from him. But in this moment, it sounded like she didn't want to make him out to be a villain. And I think that was also her lack of confidence. Maybe she'll see it differently as her confidence grows. Yeah. Because she keeps saying, like, maybe I missed it. Maybe this was wrong. I shouldn't have done this. Like, it was... She was just blaming herself for so many things. And so...

Yes, maybe in time as she can see it more clearly in hindsight and also can build her confidence back up. Right. That more she will share more and maybe see some of these situations a little differently.

Yeah, this is like one of the situations where like once she's on the other side of it and she ends up in like a good relationship, which I have faith that she will, it'll really be such a stark difference. Like she will see what it's like to be loved by somebody like without conditions, without time limits, with just like open and hopefully that's the type of relationship she'll find herself in. And that I feel like for so many girls when they get out of those relationships where they're just not being treated like the queens that they need to be. And it's not until somebody really treats them so normally and well that you realize how bad you had it.

Yeah. You've just come to sort of expect this type of treatment. Yeah. Also something that she said that I thought was kind of red flag, but then it wasn't followed up with was they were talking about like the food element in the relationship and like the content creation. He's a food creator. Like she would always like pick the restaurants and she like always wanted to do a really good job for him. So he had something to post about. And she said every meal that they went to in their relationship, they were filming.

- Miserable experience. - She said every meal and I would have just been like every single meal. And if so, like that's weird that you can't go to one restaurant. What if you like a restaurant that's like not that cool and you just like going there? - Or what if you just wanna go and-- - There's nothing to post about. - Do you know how many meals I've been to looking like a rat? Like what if I don't wanna film? - Yeah. - And by the way, I'm literally married to the most annoying food content creator on the planet, but like there are rules. - Right.

It seems like she just had no say. Like he was very much in control of every part of the relationship. And by the way, some people like being in relationships like that where there's very much like a person in control, person making decisions, whether it's the man or the woman. Some people really do like that. And some people find comfort in not having to like, you know, think about a million things. Like, yeah, he booked the flights. Like some people like that. And it seems like that's the type of partner he was. And if he had given her just like a little bit more respect and like,

She would have been okay with it. Yeah. Cause she just loved him so much. That's the thing. He broke up with her. Right, right, right. So that's the story on their relationship.

I feel like it's kind of actually not, it's kind of what you expected. It's like the relationship ran its course. But to me, I just got sort of hung up on at the time when he like dumped her on live television and like, didn't have her back in that moment, even though he knew her as a person, you know, like, do you think she was a bad person this time that you were falling in love with her? Right. Um, so that he didn't defend her. I was like, how can she forgive him? Like, how can they recover? And instead it was like,

It wasn't, she forgave him. She never held that against him, she said, ever. Got it. But the person that made her into, like, she was not healed. And it's hard to go into a relationship like that. They entered into, like, the full part of their relationship after the breakup on TV, like, in just a really bad spot. So, like, they got off on the really, like, a bad foot. Yeah. And they never corrected it. Yeah. Because I think he wasn't helpful in helping her, like,

heal and grow, but also she needed to do that too. And I don't even know, she didn't even say that on the episode. I don't know if she realizes that. No, a lot of people are just like surmising that from her performance on the interview. You just, you read people and she's not reading as somebody who's like overly confident or she's reading as somebody who's very sensitive and very self-spoken and has sort of been

I don't like to use this phrase, but like beaten down a little bit into like this sort of shell of a person. That's yeah. I said she's been beat down by the world. I would I would say that. And I don't know what she was like before she went on the show. It'd be interesting to hear from like her family, her friends, like just to know. But I feel like she's probably always been like relatively soft spoken. But to make like I think she just never forgave herself and you can't live like that. And so it was sad.

Sad. Yeah. That's the takeaway, I think. Yeah. For everyone. But I think there's, it's easy for people. And it's funny. The people who are like so quick to like be like, Matt James is terrible. It's like, what were you saying about Rachel four years ago? You just like, whichever way the wind blows. With the wind. Yeah. It's so true. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. It's about a big podcast fan because Travis Kelsey has revealed that Taylor Swift listens to New Heights every week.

They talked about Taylor a lot on this episode of New Heights. Yeah. Travis Kelsey revealed on Wednesday's episode of New Heights how often Taylor listens to the show. She he said she listens every week. He told their intern Brandon. So Brandon was talking on the show because apparently Taylor paid him some high compliments like about his work on the show. And he said, like, you can't tell me nothing ever again. Like, it's over for you, bitches. He said she was very complimentary of the show. She gave us some creative compliments. Let me be very clear. You can't tell me shit for the rest of my fucking life.

This is what intern Brandon said. He said, I'm going to be obnoxious. Like, do you know who you're fucking talking to? I was very appreciative of it. When somebody of that creative caliber pays you a compliment, you're like, oh, fuck. True. I don't know why. He said he plans to be a complete narcissist from here on out. And you would do it too. I don't know if you would ask me, do I think Taylor listens to every episode? I think I would have said yes. She seems like that type of partner. Like, really supportive. Yes. But it's just crazy.

But she's also busy. Like, who has the time? Yeah. And it's just crazy when you think about, like, our husbands never listen to our podcast. Oh, you know what? I didn't even think of that in this moment. Yeah, you're right. You don't listen to your husband's weekly or... That's not true. That's not true. That's not true. Every episode, you don't.

Every single one, yeah. No, actually, let me tell you, I don't. When you and Ben were dating, if he had a weekly podcast, you would listen to every single fucking episode. Let's not forget, Taylor and I are in different boats. She's trying to get engaged. I got it. I'm chill. I guess maybe if Ben had started a podcast while we were dating, I would listen. Yeah, first of all, it's a good insight into, oh, he's talking about this movie he likes. I could be like, oh, I love that movie too. It's like a cheat sheet. It's a cheat sheet. It's a cheat sheet. Also, is there anything like,

nefarious he's saying, like I need to know. It's a window into his mind, which when you're dating someone, that's all you want. I do think Travis and Taylor are engaged now, but still like until you're like sat up married for 10 years, like you can't get comfortable. You've got to know. You take every crumb. We just had dinner with Ben's parents and like they love the good guys. They listen every week and they're always like bringing up like that was so funny when Josh said this. And let me tell you, I have no idea what they're talking about.

I literally, I was at dinner the other night. I was just like, oh my God, that was so funny. I just like nod my head. And nobody asked. I know Ben knows that I don't listen, but I think like his parents really sweetly assume that I probably do. And they're like, how funny was that? I'm like, they are so hysterical, those good guys. Like I'm just actually playing a part. That is so funny. And yes, I haven't listened probably since like, when they first started releasing, I would like listen, just make sure they weren't saying anything crazy. And then they got like a good, so now I don't need to listen. Like they're fly, butterfly. Right, right. So it actually is,

Not surprising that she does listen to every episode, but yes, certainly that is commitment. But she listens to, it seems like she has a lot of time for content because she listens to every album under the sun to know all the lyrics to every word to sing along at award shows. It seems like they watch a lot of television. Travis has said they watch Love is Blind. Like if you're got to Love is Blind, you've watched a lot of stuff.

she reads a lot of books too. Because I think she also like got to a point in her life where she didn't want to only write music about her own life. So she started referencing like great novels and movies and TV shows like everybody knows. Death by a Thousand Cuts is about that random movie with Gina Rodriguez on Netflix. It was actually really, oh no, Clean, excuse me. Everyone knows that The Great War is about Matthew and...

Mary? Mary from Downton Abbey. I don't believe you. That's what I know. Are you making that up? I've told you that before and you didn't believe me. By the way, I've never heard that. Now I need to look up lyrics. And even if I made that up or heard it in a dream, I don't want to be corrected. Just like Long Live is about Jo Jonas. What are you seeing? I don't know. Maybe it was ego swinging. Maybe it was her. They didn't have any infidelity. Oh, you're not like Googling, is this about this? No.

All that bloodshed, crimson clover, uh-huh, sweet dream was over. My hand was the one you reached for all throughout the Great War. Always remember tears on the letter. I vowed not to cry anymore if we survived the Great War. No, there are definitely parts of it. And he went to World War I, which at the time was called the Great War because they didn't know there would be World War II.

Oh, I Googled Great War Downton Abbey, not realizing Great War is also a thing. Okay, Taylor Swift. Yeah, Great War is a historical thing. Isn't that funny to think about, though? In the Downton Abbey Reddit, Great War from Taylor Swift's Midnight is allegedly inspired by Matthew and Mary. Is there a source to confirm this? Wait, seriously? People are just questioning it. So you didn't make it up because I'm seeing it elsewhere? It's definitely swirling.

I love that. I could see it. Just like Champagne Problems is about seven husbands. Dropped your hand while dancing. That's a theory. I like it. Me too. No, you could definitely tell like sometimes I'm like, oh, I read this book when you're listening. She totally reads like the swirly books. Yeah. Like it ends with us. Totally. Love that movie. So then the other takeaway from this story is that Taylor is in the podcast app. I wonder what else she's clicking around on. Has she seen our big ugly faces? Yes.

I mean, I don't know how you can miss us. We do so many fucking episodes. It's true. Unless she like only subscribes to New Heights, it's in her homepage. Or unless like Travis like puts it on like a...

Like a video file and just sends it to her. Like she doesn't actually open the app store. It's actually harder to listen to shit that way. It's easier. They make it so easy on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. No, and by the way, to be clear, she's watching it. Like, let's be real, on YouTube. Oh, totally. If I'm listening to something on Spotify, a podcast, then when I get in my car, it's playing from the same place. That's like a life hack. Yeah. Do you think Taylor like pays for Spotify? She gets a free account. Like, how does that work? Interesting. When you bring billions of streams, do they actually make you subscribe? Yeah.

I don't know. Just a thought. They shouldn't make us subscribe. We bring billions of streams. Billions. A thousand percent. Are you ready for our next story? What number? Three. Yeah.

It's your least favorite kind of news. DUI news for Smallville star Tom Welling, also known as... And I need people to stop calling him Smallville star. It's Charlie from Cheaper by the Dozen. It's Cheaper by the Dozen star Tom Welling from hero to zero. Arrested for a DUI in the parking lot at Arby's.

According to police... Not the Arby's. I missed that small but vital detail. According to police records obtained by TMZ, the 47-year-old was arrested in an Arby's parking lot in Eureka, California, just after... Eureka! Okay, how would you pronounce this city? Y-R-E-K-A. Wait, Y-R-E-K-A? Yeah. Eureka, I would, yeah.

Just after midnight on Sunday where a local police department picked him up for allegedly driving under the influence, his blood alcohol level was reportedly at or above .08. That's what it means to get a DUI, but I don't know what his actual was. Also, I'm, like, obviously I'm never one to, you know, try and help someone in a DUI, but, like, he was in the parking lot, so...

- Didn't go anywhere. - He must have driven there. Maybe they like reported a crazy- - Maybe they pulled him over in the parking lot. - Yeah, like maybe the Arby's people were like, there's a drunk guy getting into his car. - 'Cause it sounds like he hadn't like had the opportunity yet to drive under the influence. - He didn't get drunk at Arby's. So how did he get to Arby's? - By the way, what is it? Just one Arby's in the middle of nowhere? Maybe there were like other facilities, a liquor store, a bar. - Yeah, yeah. - Chili's, they serve alcohol. - They do. Maybe he had it in his car. - Gotta go to Chili's.

Where do you think, by the way, I found out a fun fact this morning. Where do you think Chili's originated? Like if you had to guess what U.S. city? Houston. It's actually an amazing guess. It's Dallas. Oh, wow. I know. I just didn't know that. I deserve points. I don't know what I would have said. What would you have said?

I don't know. I feel like it was started in an airport. Like, I don't know. I don't know. Like what's your association? Like tri-state? No, it's not tri-state at all. No, it's airport. There's airports everywhere. Maybe Florida. I thought that's what you might say. Yeah. Just a fun fact I saw on Facebook. I love fun facts from Facebook.

I'm like constantly getting targeted with like the most turnt AI news. Like it's like Bravo AI generated news. Me too. It's all these like clickbait things about Paige and Craig. Yes. And oh, we have the same Facebook account. That's why. Oh, right. And it's like Madison LaCroix speaks up against Paige. And like you can't even click anywhere to read what Madison LaCroix originally said. It's muckraking.

At its finest. It is. Are you ready for our next story? Oh, wait. Back to Smallville? Can we just start that really quickly? Oh, like, shame on you. Do better, Tom. Shame on you, obviously. But, like, could this be more cliche? Like, not only... You played Charlie. What was our last name in the movie? Like, he was Charlie... Yeah, Charlie Chaplin. He had, like, such a classic American name. Right. Cheaper by the dozen...

Let me see the family name. Baker. Baker. Charlie Baker. Like he was just this all American football star. He was so fucking hot. And then he also had this career as the Smallville guy, which we never watched. But he was like this young heartthrob playing like a neighborhood kid who becomes like Superman or whatever. And for like him to end up in a DUI, like it's seriously a tale as old as time. Like be a little less cliche, Charlie Baker, honestly. Yeah. But it's cliche for a reason. Right. Right.

Now are you ready for our next story? No. Is it our next story that's brought to you by my absolute favorite TV show, The Flip Off? Yes. Yes.

So we've got something super exciting to tell you guys about the premiere of HGTV's new buzzy series, The Flip-Off. You don't want to miss it. Christina Haque, Tarek El Moussa, sort of American... Royalty. Heroes. Royalty. They were married, the king and queen of flipping shows, and then they got divorced. And now, after 10 years of history, drama, and new marriages, the exes are ready to face off to prove who's the best flipper around in The Flip-Off.

So Tarek and his new wife, who we all know from one of our favorite TV shows, Heather Rae El Moussa, are entering a flipping competition against Christina. And the goal is to flip the house with the biggest payoff. So it's HGTV at its best, you know, stunning transformations, competitive banter, but also some deeply raw and at times uncomfortable personal moments. So it's not all glamour. It's really real and really captivating. We're going to see Christina and her... This moment went viral. I don't know if you guys saw it. Christina and her now ex-husband, Josh Hall, they were still married at the time, having this like

Literally terrible exchange in a car. It was so awkward. And then Christina goes and tells Tarek about it. It's very layered, these people. So we have all the drama, but also the heart of the series. Their design chops, eye for style. And did we mention guest appearances? Each week, notable celebrities like Amanza Smith from Selling Sunset, Heather Dubrow from Orange County Housewives.

are showing up. And the most surprising, Christina's second husband, Ant Anstead, who's just one of our favorite people to talk about, he will be on the show as well. And all these guests will be judging the competitions to determine the best weekly win. So mark your calendars, get ready for the flip off. It's must watch TV. And the reunion of Tarek and Christina is just the cherry on top. Tune into the premiere Wednesday, January 29th. That's tonight at eight, seven central and see who wins in the first of its kind competition. You don't want to miss.

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because a woman has gone viral on TikTok after slamming period piece actors for having Botox and lip fillers. So it's a very interesting debate. Are period actors allowed to look like they've just stepped off a Hollywood red carpet? According to one impassioned TikToker, no, they can't.

Um, a TikToker went viral in which she disrespectfully stated that actors cannot star in a period piece if they look like they've had Botox and lip fillers done. She doubled down on her opinion in the caption writing, like you shouldn't ever even get past the audition.

You know, I happen to agree with her, but I don't know if it's specific to period pieces. First of all, like if you're going to be an actor who emotes and your face doesn't move, that's just beyond, you know, contradictory. Oh, well, that's a separate issue. But I hear what she's saying. I hear what she's saying. Like in the modern world, like we look different than women in the 30s did. And that's because a lot of us do.

preventative Botox filler. Now, I think there is a way in which you can look at someone and say, oh my God, they have a ton of filler and Botox. And then you can look at someone and be like, oh, I didn't realize. And they could have it. So I think the other thing her blanket statement applies here, because some actors like have it and we wouldn't even know, you know, maybe like a little bit of lip filler that's allowed. But I agree, like having these sort of like Instagram model looking people being in a Downton Abbey, like is confusing. Yeah, no, the lip filler is,

When you can see it, like that is confusing. I also feel that way about natural breasts.

If I may. Oh, yeah. And I also I do feel like it really enhances the piece when the people do look authentic. I remember even when I watched 1883, like the girly who totally looks like an Instagram girly, but she's also just gorgeous. Like she had a hairy armpit. And that is true to the time. Authentic. And so I am kind of with this person now. I don't think that like everyone needs to now be screened for Botox and filler. It's like, no, no, no. Pass.

Can I tell? Do you look like someone from this age? But then it also comes down to hair extensions. Right. Another one mentioned. I wonder what this girl, exactly what show she was referencing. Acrylic nails. Oh, a thousand percent. Yeah, there are a lot of modern day things, but then makeup, makeup in general. They had some makeup. Right, but then it's

But then it's also like on the costume department to find those things. Like when you think about Game of Thrones, I remember when there was that one water bottle in the background of Game of Thrones and everybody talked about it. Like that's how committed the show was to being like super authentic to like medieval times or whatever. You didn't see any of that shit. It was natural titties, you know, hair that looked, it was long because not of extensions because like girls didn't cut their hair back then. Like it was very authentic, true to the time.

that it is an enhancement to the show when you have people who do look true to the time and I think that period pieces that want to be taken really seriously should aspire to that.

I agree, and I don't think she's wrong. But then there's like Bridgerton, which is not a period piece that wants to be taken seriously, in my opinion. Okay, Bridgerton. Bridgerton likes being a modern take. Like just everything about it is modern. Modern, yeah, that's true. I don't think they're trying to be like completely, you know, London 1800s or whatever it is, like authentic. Yeah, no, they're not. They use modern music that's set to –

orchestral instruments. Like I think that they like that. So I'm not even considering Bridgerton here because it is like a, I wouldn't call it a period piece. Yeah, no. And there are a lot of things about it that are obviously a historical, it's like a utopian historical fiction. Like that is what it is. But 1883 Downton Abbey game of Thrones, like those ones. And they are very serious and they get a lot of acclaim for awards. I feel this as long as you can't tell that it's filler or Botox. I think, yeah, no extensions. Yeah.

No, the titties is a really good point. Yeah, that's another one. You know, everybody was drooping low like back in the day. Yeah. And even if it's not a nude scene, like you see it in people's clothes in their silhouette. Yep. So just something to think about. And I think it could be good for women in Hollywood to not have to keep up with this impossible standard. Yeah, especially as they make more and more recreations. This actually could be setting people free.

thousand percent from the shackles of beauty standards. It's true. Let's rewind. Yeah, I like that. And it is always interesting to see what people truly looked like back then, how they styled their hair, the clothes that they wore without a modern spin on it.

That's one of my favorite things is like all these like random like history accounts that either like through AI or like restore old video footage to see what people on the street looked like. And when you take the elevator in one of these old buildings in New York, you get to like, as you go up, you see what New York looks like on this particular street as the time evolves. And you see people too. And like literally like girlies like were different looking. Yeah. The way their hair dried was different. Like they didn't have flat hair.

How come we all have flat hair now? What's that? I feel like we've had this conversation too about a lot of, I don't think suffered from acne. Like the, not only the air was cleaner, but like the, they weren't putting so much shit on their face. Chemicals. Yeah. Maybe they had more freckles without sunscreen. Yeah.

Right. It's just very interesting to think about. I remember one show I was watching last year. I forget which one. There was a baby in the show and they brought out a baby bottle. But it was like one from 150 years ago. It was like this little glass boat. And it was just so interesting. It must have been an actual historical. See, that's accurate. And it's interesting. Yes. We're here to learn. We are here to learn. Thousand percent. So I'm with this girl. And so what she said it harshly.

So what? Listen up. Wow, I didn't know they were having these types of conversations on TikTok. I'm obviously on the wrong side of TikTok because my TikTok is like brain dead. I've never heard like anybody having like good intellectual conversations. That's on me though. That's on my algorithm. Okay, well just talk loudly about how you want more historical factoids on your TikTok. I wonder if people with Botox should be in period pieces. Ha ha ha.

Good job. Are you ready for the final story? A little sports news. What's going on in the sports world? And I do feel like this is a kickoff to a theme of conversations we're going to be having for the next two weeks. Weeks? Weeks. Which is Super Bowl commercials. So Super Bowl ad prices top $8 million as a surge fuels box sales. So unfortunately, Turdy, we can't get a Super Bowl commercial this year. There's always next year.

Okay, we can start fundraising today, but I guess that is hopeful for the future of cable. I feel like even big cable moments in the last couple of years, like big award shows, it's all going down. Super Bowl is the only thing that's going up and that has not been taken over by a streamer. Yeah, the executive...

Vice President of Sales at Fox Sports said, the Super Bowl is the only place where you can aggregate legitimate scale with one commercial. Yeah. It's not like any other thing. Like one, people in that moment, 40 million people will see your commercial and if it is a successful commercial, it will continue to have impressions online as people talk about it. Like it's very true. I do think it's worth...

the money it's how a new brand can make a splash if you just like do no other paid advertising for the year save up get a Super Bowl commercial and it's how the old mainstays stay relevant protect the throne no it's so true it's my favorite like me and Ben were just talking we were like what should we do for the Super Bowl we could do XYZ and I'm like

don't like going to Super Bowl parties because first of all, like I like football. I'm not like other girls. I actually want to watch a game. And two, I feel like when you're at a Super Bowl party during the commercials, people like go and talk and are loud. Like you do what you would normally do during a commercial break. And it's like, excuse me, I'm trying to watch. Yeah. You're such a cool girl.

I'm so cool. Like I really care about football. Like I really need to be locked in. You guys probably listening. You guys don't understand because I'm not like you. No, and you're such like a media magnate that you need to see all the commercials. You're an advertising big wig. This is work for me. She's Don Draper when she's watching the Super Bowl.

So yeah, we're just going to have like a low key Super Bowl at home. I agree. We were just thinking because when we hosted people to watch the game on Sunday, we're like, what are we doing for the Super Bowl? Right. And I agree. I don't know if I want to have a lot of people over because then I'm like, like cooking all day, like on Sunday. Yeah.

towards the end of my cooking expedition, like I was broken. Like I couldn't do another thing. I had a loaf of sourdough that was proofing all day and I couldn't even be bothered to shape it. And so I put it in the fridge and it's still in the fridge. I have to throw it in the garbage. I couldn't do another thing. That's not what I want to do for the Super Bowl. I agree. I just want to watch it like I would any other football game and like appreciate it.

- A thousand percent. It's also just like enjoyable. Like, cause I'm not like other girls. Like I enjoy it. So I want to watch it. - Yeah. You're so cool. - I don't know if I mentioned. - You're so cool. - Yeah, okay. Did I mention that I'm like really into football? - I feel like you've like alluded to it before. - Right. - But it wasn't clear. - I don't like to brag because like all these guys are like, wow, Tariq, you're so cool. Like it's annoying, you know?

Anyways, commercials are going for $8 million. Some of them are starting to come out. The Hellman's one that you alluded to, it is out there. It's Joe and Shmo from Blow. Harry and Sally. Okay, yeah, I didn't know if it was out because I was under embargo, not me knowing about this for like two weeks. And a special cameo from Sidney Sweeney in the commercial. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's one. Looking forward to it. I'm not the type to watch them before commercials.

I want to have the experience. No, it ruins it. Yeah. That's one part of this whole thing that I would pull back on. Like, I don't like when brands show us the commercial before. The element of surprise is fab. Yeah.

No, I mean also like they do like lead up campaigns. Like I know that Uber Eats is doing something with Matthew McConaughey because now they're running like a Matthew McConaughey commercial that teases like coming soon, February 9th. It's like it's a fucking commercial. Yeah, but they spent a lot of money. That I don't like. I know. If you spend $8 million on something like you'd want to show it to the world every day.

It's just, it's becoming a lot. Like it's, you get the four hours of the game, you get the commercials and like, that's all you get. Yeah. And you don't, I don't like to give attention to like people who are doing too much, you know? It's true. You have to walk the line.

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was on last night. And to be honest, I'm actually getting so over this current plot line. And I'm glad it appears that we put it to bed last night. But they took it like one episode too far. Like I've now been listening to like Kyle and like Defend Her Actions and Dorit being mad at her. Like I've listened to it the entire season thus far. Like I haven't heard one other thing. The episode, parts of the episode that I found really enjoyable were like

you know, Garcelle and Sutton, like really not letting Kyle get away with a singular mishap. Like when she invited them all out to lunch to apologize, even though like she wasn't doing it to apologize. She was doing it to like rattle, rally the troops. Sutton was like, well, so what are you apologizing for? Cause she did say it in a weird way. Like, I'm not sorry for what I said. I'm sorry for how I said it, but I mean what I said, but I didn't say it in the way that I wanted to. So I actually appreciated Sutton being like, you called us here. Just what the fuck? Like, what are you, what are you sorry about? Yeah. And she's just like all of it.

Like which. Right. Say it. Which part. Which part. And so I appreciated Sutton like making trying to get the apology to be real and earnest but then also then Erica comes in and she really is like such a compassionate friend because she was like everyone here has been through a divorce like you're at your worst so you didn't act 100% like Garcelle writing a whole email to CIA like cut the lady some slack and

And then I feel like, okay, cut the lady some slack. However, Kyle also needs to cut Dorit some slack because Dorit is going through the same thing. And because she can't do that for Dorit, why should we do it for her? However, we should still do it for her because that's called being the bigger person.

And I know that we got like some resolution. I know we got resolution and like technically this is put to bed, but like what Kyle was saying in her side interviews about how like she can't believe she can't be friends with both PK and Dorit, like and that's something she's going to have to like deal with. Like, are you fucking serious? Like,

And I wish that Dorit would bring up the fact that she has not spoken to Mauricio since they got divorced because that's what girls do. That's just normal protocol. And the way that Kyle's acting like this is such an inconvenience and it's going to be so challenging and so unexpected that she would have to only stay Dorit's friend and not PK's in a very contentious divorce. Why is she acting like this is her first time on planet Earth? Yeah, I don't know why that is so...

Hard for her. And why she is really two-faced in her confessionals and with the girls. Because with the girls, like, she keeps saying, girls, girl, of course. Like, of course. And then in her confessionals, she's just like, well, PK's been a better friend to me. And, like, as if it's not, like, blanket, I have the woman's side, period. If I'm Dorit and I'm watching that, like, her confessionals are undoing any ounce of goodwill she's earning on that beach. I completely agree. Yeah.

So it's like, that's such frustrating TV to watch. Yeah. Then we have to, like, just wait for the reunion. So honestly, I'm so ready to stop talking about these two. I don't know what, like, comes next, but I can't deal with these two anymore. Like, Kyle's seriously egregious. And Erica, like, does make good points. I think that she's right. Like, I wish everyone would lay off, but when she's, you know, going...

in on the argument between Dorit and Kyle. I think she gives Kyle like a little too much. Yeah. Grace. But I agree. Like her reminding everybody to like give this person grace is helpful because I don't and I need that reminder. But when it comes to Dorit, like Kyle's so fucking wrong. No. And because Kyle won't give Dorit an ounce of grace and then we're expected to give that to Kyle. And that's just confusing. She wants what she won't give. Let's talk about

Let's talk about the like nasty things Sutton said at Kyle's house when Dorit was telling everybody about Jaguar, Jagger, whatever his name is, asking if her and her dad, his dad were getting a divorce and Sutton just like completely cut her off. And was like, let's get on the bus. Yeah. Yeah. That was weird. And I do think it,

is like a Sutton issue because then they flash back. And by the way, whoever's working the flashbacks this season deserves a raise. Kyle obviously like snubbed an editor once who never forgot. And now this editor is like, oh, this is my opportunity to destroy this woman. They're pulling footage that I haven't seen in years. No. They are not. That Denise thing. Not.

Not only are they pulling the obvious moments, and I'm glad they keep pulling the moment last season where Dorit says to Kyle, I'm having this feeling of, are PK and I going to make it? Is this how this ends? And then you also see Kyle saying, Dorit never...

inferred that they had issues with Kevin. They continue to show that and that is so important. But then they just start flashing back when nobody was like holding anyone's feet to the fire. Sutton with the robbery, which I would have completely forgotten about. Oh my God, same. About how her designer was stuck at customs. Yep. I never got to my head. And Sutton does have a pattern of just being like very Sutton focused in emotional moments, which isn't a good trait.

No, but this editor, like they are seriously doing the Lord's work. The most frustrating thing that Kyle did this episode was like she called that lunch, which I love that everybody knew what the lunch was. Like they were just calling her out. But she said she called lunch because we really she needs to have a referendum on how we all, you know, communicate like with somebody going. And it's like, well, now that it's happening to you. Right. Right.

You need to have a referendum. But when it was Denise, but when it was Erica. With flashback editor showing us that Kyle's party line, apparently the entire time she's been on the show, which is something I never noticed. Let's talk about it. It's not like the most interesting thing that a person could say is that like when something is happening in your personal life, we're going to talk about it. That's what we do. She said like now that it's out there that we have to talk about it. So now the rules change because your thing is out there. Right.

And I actually don't see like how she's not self-aware enough to see how hypocritical that is. Like you look so stupid. Yeah. And Denise is right. It's like, no, we don't. How about no, we don't. Yeah. Well now Kyle agrees with Dorit. I mean with Denise. And there have been so many things that have happened in their worlds that never came up on the show. Like some of the Mauricio rumors that were so squashed so early on, like you would be

A terrible person to bring that up. You never bring it up. Dorit's financial issues. The woman chasing Dorit around. In the Bahamas. In the Bahamas at the pool. And they were filming for that. Nobody brought it up. Which like you can have some respect for some of the things that people are going through privately. Not everything needs to be excavated on the show. But Kyle didn't go for that in the past. No and Kyle just has a history of you know her mantra is like you know well it's out there. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it's out there, Kyle. A lot of things are out there. Right. And I just can't deal whenever she talks about Morgan Wade being like, my sexuality is being questioned. It's like, that's actually not what happened. You came on the show with a girlfriend. You kissed in the music video. Right. And then you said on the reunion that you were confused about your sexuality. Yeah. And it's like...

- She does deserve like space to figure things out, but then why bring her on the show? - That's the thing, you get no space when you make it a storyline. You expect nobody to say like, who's this lesbian lover of yours? - Matching tattoos. - No, and that's why like Garcelle, like actually like, yeah, are you a lesbian or not? It's like such a simple question, which nobody would ever fucking ask her if she'd never girlfriend and her music video on the show last season. - Right, I wouldn't know who Morgan Wade is. - Right.

So, yeah. It wasn't a revolutionary episode. No, not at all. I'm already forgetting everything that happened. It seems like the next half of the season, a lot is going to go down between Sutton and Dorit.

Did you see the previews? I didn't actually. I didn't watch the previews for next week. That's what I'm gleaning. At least it's something different. Sutton is at the center of things. Well, of course she is because she keeps inserting herself and wanting to be in on the drama. Like I'm sure she finally got herself inserted into the drama. Congrats. Well, that's Real Housewives. I feel like there's nothing else really. Where the hell is Kathy? I was thinking that too. She's usually there for the big group moments. I miss her.

Desperately. Yeah. Need her. But other than that, that's the show. That's the toast. The turst. Anything else? No, that's all for now. Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast on Monday morning show. We deliver the best stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe, leave us a video, thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast and where a podcast can be found. So it's Spotify, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, I already got Sparks, all the places where you can find us. We love you. Love you. Bye.