Grab a Slice and Tell Me Lies: Thursday, October 17th, 2024
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Good morning, millennials. Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday. Hope everybody's having a gargi-pargi morning. And speaking of gargi-pargi, wait, it's Thursday. Yeah, why are you looking at me like that? I'm just looking at you. I feel a little disoriented, but I am having a gargi-pargi morning. Good.

to kick things off on the right foot because Yawa Sinwar has been eliminated. Yes, the head of Hamas, kind of famed. If you know, you know, like Yawa Sinwar. Absolutely sending condolences to Bella Hadid today. The elusive Yawa Sinwar, the morally corrupt. The only, like, they have been saying for so long that he is hidden underground. They don't know where he is, but that he has like, you know, the remaining hostages, like,

surrounding him so that, you know, if Israel tries, they can't. He wasn't found with any hostages, which like fucking sucks, but a win is a win. No, this is such a major win. Like, I think it's the number one target of like, they got Nasrallah, which was so amazing. They got that other guy. It's equivalent, like you remember where you were when you heard that like Saddam Hussein had been killed? Yeah.

- Yeah, or Osama bin Laden. - Sorry, I get them so confused. - There's been a couple of big names like that in the last few months, but Sinwar was the one who planned October 7th. His story is actually so crazy. If you don't know, he's been a terrorist popping off for decades. He was arrested and he was in Israel, in an Israeli prison, and he was actually exchanged in a prisoner exchange

For one Israeli soldier who was taken hostage back in like 2006, Gilad Shalit. Gilad Shalit was exchanged for over 1,000 terrorists. Wait, I did not know. And Yahweh Sinwar was one of them. I did not know that. Who was given back in the Gilad Shalit exchange. Then he went on to continue his terrorist activity and he was the mastermind of October 7th. Also, while he was in an Israeli prison, he was complaining that he had headaches and the doctors found cancer in his brain and that...

they operated on him and removed the cancer and performed life-saving surgery on this piece of shit.

And that's just the craziest thing. Wait, I had no idea the Gilad Shalit of it all. You guys, if you grew up like in your our age and you're Jewish, like you grew up like your whole life, your childhood revolved around Gilad Shalit. Like he was taken hostage and was just like just major tragedy for years and years and years and years. And like Israel never gave up. And then like literally a couple of years ago, they got him back. I didn't realize. I knew that they had traded like, you know, 1500 for one. And I didn't realize one of those 1500 was Yahweh Sinwar. And that's why when people are like, it's a prisoner exchange. It's literally, it's not.

- No, they're like, it's a hostage exchange. It's not hostages that Israel is giving back. - It's prisoners. - They're giving back legitimate terrorist prisoners and they go on to commit more terror, which is why it's hard to give them back to do it, but they do it to save the lives of the innocent people who were taken hostage. - So hopefully this is like blowing the case wide open, reaching more hostages, the B-Boss family, like this is huge.

- This is really huge. I mean, Hamas has obviously like been very much weakened in the last year of the war, but to take out the number one guy in this group, it's really amazing stuff. - Yeah. I was just gonna make a joke, but it's actually like not fair to Jax Taylor. - The amount of pop culture references I've put into this recap. - Just to make it palatable for the swirlies.

just to make it palatable for the Swirlys. - It's like the Jax Taylor of Hamas. Now that's not cool because Jax Taylor is not a terrorist, but it was a joke. - Yeah, no, not the number one guy in the group. - We have so much to talk about today. I didn't even chat with you. Were you able to watch the "Tell Me Lies" finale?

I was. We will do an official TV recap at the end of the show. So if you're avoiding spoilers, don't worry. It'll be at the end. We have to get into it. We have a lot to do today. There's three major things. One, St. Noir. Two, Tell Me Lies. Three, and this is in no particular order, three, Liam Payne. Yeah, that was shocking. That was probably the most shocked I've been in my lifetime. Yeah. Yeah.

Everything, all the news today, pop culture news, is Liam Payne, like details. Is it a story? Or you want to talk about it now? Of course it's a story. It's like the story, and then there's a couple others, and then there's Tell Me Lies recap. So it's like if this were a heart rate monitor, there's like three big peaks in the show. Yep, yep, yep. I love that medical analysis.

I'm just giving a lot of analyses today. And then also one extra peek at the end of the show is that when Turdy...

from her coccidinia pillow, she's headed off to my house. I am so looking forward to the meal that will greet me upon arrival. I do arrive around dinner time. My flight's at like 3, 3.30-ish, which means by the time I get to your house, it will be dinner time and I will be set for dinner. And I'm really looking forward to seeing what you put together. Obviously, I gave you my request, but you're going to do your own thing with it. I gave you the menu options and you placed your order and that's what you'll get.

And I'm excited. And I told you Ben's flying into it as well. No, and I keep asking you because Harry keeps asking. Every time I say, coach is coming, coach is coming. He said, and Uncle Ben. I'm like, that's a really good question. That's literally disgusting. He's so rude. But he's really excited about Uncle Ben. Yes, of course. Like I said to Ben. So Ben was supposed to be like in and out of Florida this week and last week. That does affect the number of meatballs I make. So thank you for letting me know. I think he has a dinner.

like a work thing tonight in my town in your town that's i don't even have a work thing in my town leave it to bed to have contacts like hosed in different area codes i actually once in a while get invited to like an event in my town i just like want to go to encourage events in my town i've not made it to one yet the way you're saying my town why do i feel like is that like a 30 rock reference

No. No, and it's like, and the town in which I live. What is that from? Does anybody know what I'm talking about? I think it's a family inside joke. You live in a town. No, of course. That's an OG family joke. I'm talking about the town in which I live. Guys, what am I thinking of? My references are just getting crossed today. Maybe it'll come to me. It's okay. So I haven't been to any events in my town, but I look forward to going to some.

And anyways, maybe like I'd like to hear what Ben's got going on. I don't think you'd be interested in Ben. It's like a spritz investor like who lives near you like having dinner. Oh, cute. Yeah, so cute. I'm pretty sure he's out on dinner. So I don't need to make – I don't need to account for him in the meatballs count. I don't know. You know what's so interesting about you and your cooking? Just something like I gleaned from eating a lot of your food this summer is like you don't cook obscene amounts. Like you always have leftovers like maybe one or two meatballs. Like, bitch, make the other pack. Like –

That's because I don't like leftovers, really. I don't like old chicken. I don't like heating it back up. The way that meatball tastes right out of the oven is so much different than after being in a Tupperware in the microwave. And I'd rather just make them again. Okay. Okay. Kumsah. But I do, I definitely suffer from quantity control. It's hard. Because I either don't have enough, like sometimes Zach and I are sparingly

splitting a breast of chicken if the boys decide they each want their own because the packs I buy come in three. So like if the boys are extra hungry, they each get their own breast and sack and I split. Or I have all this old chicken in the fridge that I'm throwing away in four days. No, measuring and like-

deciding how much food to cook for like X amount of people is literally impossible. No, I just make however much comes in the bag. And hopefully I make the same amount for when I'm like making a meal for my family versus if the Shapiros are coming, I'll just eat less. No. And then like in my family, it's like everyone is constantly on and off Ozempic. So like some weeks I'm like, no one will eat a thing. And then it's like, oh, everyone's off and the food is gone. So we have to factor that in as well. The semaglutide.

Yeah, the semaglutide. Do you know that it's pronounced semaglutide? I love that. It's not semaglutide. That Wigoby commercial. Oh, no, that's the Ozempic one. The Wigoby one is Greatest Showman. Have you seen that one? No, I don't really watch. Wigoby. No. You haven't seen that Wigoby one?

No, I have not. I am brave. They want to get me on Wagobe. Oh my God. It's literally inspiring. Good luck watching that commercial and not crying. You don't have to try so hard. I want it. Yeah. They did like a, they basically saw Ozempic, like O-O-O-O-Zempic and they said, hold my beer. And they made a Wagobe one with Greatest Showman. They said, hold my needle. Yeah. They said, shoot up.

It's so good. How did we get here? Oh, we were talking about food. Oh, but I saw a meme on Instagram today. Not a grandma. Tell us about the meme. I saw a graphic. I think you mean the little check. I think you mean the Mimi. I saw a little graphic, a little illustration. It was for Thanksgiving, but it's, it showed exactly how much you should make of each thing per person. So salad, you should make one and a half cups of salad per person.

Pie, two small pieces per person. Turkey, one and a half pounds. That felt like a lot. See, the thing is, like that's helpful. And I appreciate someone at least trying to solve this issue that we're talking about. But each family is so personal. Like weirdly enough, like we're like a big fat family and we eat a ton of salad. Like so that's true. So everybody has their own preferences. We're also like we're not a family who really fucks with cranberry sauce. So the personalizations make graphics like that obsolete.

Gravy, half a cup per person. I can't believe how much of this I remembered. I'm not even doing Thanksgiving. The thing about Thanksgiving, and I'm so glad we're talking about it, is that Thanksgiving is literally a top two favorite holiday of mine. Like, I love Thanksgiving. I hate Thanksgiving food. Like, there's not, I really don't like roast turkey. I don't like cranberry sauce. I don't like stuffing. I don't like sweet potatoes. I like mashed potatoes, even though that's not even like a, I feel like I would really like like southern food.

Thanksgiving. Cornbread, mac and cheese. I once made a cornbread, was it stuffing? Cornbread stuffing. I don't like stuffing. The good thing, the last two years I made my own Thanksgiving and I could scour the internet, make whatever I wanted, try new things that we never had growing up. And I was then able to whittle it down to like things that I actually like at my Thanksgiving. And it's just turkey, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, and green beans. Just like

steamed. I don't want them creamy. Not almondine? Creamy beany. Not almondine? No, I don't need green bean casserole. Yucky. It's a vegetable. Calm down. Yeah, no, no. That's so American of us. Like making the vegetable like a 4,000 calorie dish. One thing I am good at when I'm cooking is when I'm making potatoes, I feel like a really good, whether it's French fries, mashed potatoes, cassoulet, one potato per person.

Right? Because you wouldn't eat more than one potato. One whole potato? Yeah. One whole potato per person. I don't know. Mashed, I would eat more than one. That's true. I also love potatoes. I'm learning about myself late in life. Even just like a boiled potato, I love. Yeah. The word boil has multiple meanings. And it was just shocking to hear you say it. And maybe the intonation in which you said it, I thought you were referencing a pimple.

I was not. Boil. But thanks for ruining my new fave. You're welcome. Like last night I made some soup and I threw some potatoes in there and they were mighty tasty. I actually had leftover Serafina last night. It was so good. Yummy. It was yummy, yummy in my tummy. Yummy in turt tummy. Okay, so Ben and I have a running joke.

Ben said something to me one time, like maybe six years ago, and it was so deeply offensive and like rude that I literally talk about it probably once a week. And he was basically saying how like we were like we were early on dating, but we were very much like together for maybe a year or two. And he was like talking about how every time we like have dinner, it's like like he was basically calling me high maintenance. Like, why do we have to go out and do so fancy? Why can't we just like grab a slice?

And I was like, excuse me? And I also think we were talking about it in reference. We had just met one of his friends, new girlfriends, and Ben was like, she's so chill. And he was like, not like you. Like, you know, she grabs a slice. And I'm like...

And the way he said, like, grabs a slice is, like, spoken about in my house seriously once a week. Not only was it, like, such a loser-y fucking lame-ass thing to say, too, it was mean. Like, sorry I'm special and, like, I deserve to be treated like a princess. Right. But it's, like, you're not even high maintenance about, like, going out. Like, you could cook at home. I don't think, like, grabbing a slice, like, it doesn't hit all, like, food groups, you know? But first of all, a slice of pizza, let's be real, is a snack.

No, it's not like a proper dinner to unless you're going to a baseball game and you actually need to like grab a slice on the way. But like,

It's a snack or it's a late night treat. Like it's really not. And if you're ordering dinner, do you ever just order pizza? No, you get pasta, you get a salad, like you round out your meal. So sorry that you're a well-rounded eater. And at the time I really was a well-rounded eater. Like I was so like shook when he said it. And now it's like a running joke. He's like, seriously, he'll never ever, ever live it down. I can't believe I don't think I've ever said that this story on the toast, like grab a slice, grab a slice. And whenever we're eating pizza, I'm like, isn't this so great? We're just like grabbing a slice.

Actually, we have weirdly like been grabbing so many slices recently because there's just a pizza place that opened on our block and it's not like a main, it's just a good New York pizza. And whenever Ben's walking Romeo, he just like picks up pizza and it's like this thing we started to do. And you know what?

He was onto something about grabbing a slice. Like literally last night we're watching the Mets game. We had, oh no, two nights ago. Just like baseball, by the way, falls into the baseball category. We just had like slices, dices and like, you know, garlic knots. Like it was so, I'm so chill. Like I'm literally not like other girls. A couple times in my city life, I can remember a couple eras of slice.

slice grabbing Zach used to live across the street from an amazing slice place 99 cent pizza and we used to always pick it up on our way back from going out and it always like smelled a little bit like vomit um the institution so I couldn't go there sober so it was a place where nobody went sober

Right. And it just, I associated it with like smelly drunk people. So I couldn't grab a slice sober. And then I remember later in life, like when I was more adulting a couple times, like on my walk home, I was like, you know what? I'm just going to grab two slices for dinner. And like, I just remember them sitting out. They look disgusting. Oh.

Like it never worked out for me. Grabbing a slice never worked out for me. Jackie, I meant to call you last night and I'm so glad that I didn't because the craziest thing happened. It better be fucking crazy. No, it actually is. And like, oh, like only you and the toasters would appreciate this. I was like trying to explain it to Ben and he didn't get it. Only me and a couple hundred thou. Literally. Only you and the millions and the masses. We're watching the Mets game. It's Mets versus Dodgers. Did you meet the Mets? No, I didn't.

The pitcher. One day the answer is going to be yes. One day it will be. Actually, I have met a Met. Does that count? No. Meet the Met. Yeah. So, you know, they switch pitchers every couple of innings because I don't know why. And I was like, I thought I heard them say his name. I'm like, oh, that sounds kind of familiar. And then they did like a whole like DBQ. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I know why I know him. Do you know who it was for the Dodgers? Tell me if this name means anything to you. I know it does. Michael Kopech.

Of course. Brielle to Vanessa Morgan Pipeline. Yes. He's playing for the Dodgers. And by the way, he was crushing it. Like when he was dating Brielle, he was in the actual minor leagues. Yeah. Never give up on your dreams. No, no. And they were saying he like got traded at the very last minute this year, like right before the deadline, like kind of going nowhere, having a renaissance, a Michael Kopech renaissance. If you guys remember the Brielle Bierman, Michael Kopech days, like that was like truly the last time I was happy.

But now she's engaged. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he ended up like leaving her and dating Vanessa Morgan. Did they have a baby together or they got engaged? They had a baby together and I think she like left him when she was pregnant. Yeah, it was like something nefarious was going on there. That's always crazy. Yeah, yeah. It gave me like a suspicious eye about him. There's no amicable way that happens. I know he's like in the sports world and he has been like his whole career, but like to see him enter the sports world for the first time, it was really shocking. He's like Sabrina Carpenter in her new album. Welcome to the music industry. Exactly. Exactly.

Like I know you've been here for six years, but personally you just got here. Yeah. So that's what I did last night. Grabbed a slice and saw Michael Kote back. Love that for you. I watched Tell Me Lies and then I started a new book for my community book club as I said for my township. It's actually not my community. It's my township. Local affair. Yeah. It's open up to the town. And what about your county wide book club?

I'm not in a county-wide book club. Well, maybe you should start it. That would require me getting on the highway for meetings. Oh, so true. She's got to stay local. Got to stay local. That's so funny. Are you going to pick me up from the airport today?

I plan on it. I'll let you know afterwards. The only thing that might come in the way, but I already Google Maps it and I can get there. I know I can do it. I'm just letting you know, like if you don't, that's fine. But like somebody's picking me up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It could be a Zach situation. And feel free to like throw one of the kids in the back, like, you know, late night car ride. They would love to see the airplanes. Feel free to pick up Kayla. Like, and I'll take any of them, honestly. Baylor. Yeah, Baylor. Baylor, Baylor, Baylor University. Feel free to pick up Baylor University. Okay.

Or Krivi. Or Krivi, of course. Levi Krivi, of course, of course. I'll take, I'm really not particular. I know, I know that about you. And you know, in my heart, like there is an order, obviously. Like if I had to say like, I would never say the order. But I feel like, do you feel like, well, you're like a mom, so I'm not. Like, do you feel like with nieces, I would need to talk to somebody who has a lot of nieces and nephews and no children of their own. Like, do you feel like it's okay to have like favorites for nieces and nephews? Yes.

objectively do think so. I think, I think that's just like what happens. I feel like it's just really like not okay to have favorite children. Everything else is, I feel like even grandparents sometimes have a favorite and it's like,

The stakes are lower when you're a grandparent. And I feel like, tell me if this is a universal feeling. Like, I feel like the eldest child of all your nieces and nephews, like Olivia's oldest, your oldest, like they just hit different. Do you know what I mean? Like, they're just really special. I agree with you, but I also don't think it's fair for you to call yet because like the other children are not people yet. You have yet to be able to enjoy them. Yeah, yeah. Let's talk when they're all like,

have personalities and talking to you and who love like you might find that one of the younger ones like is always want to call cogers always wants to play with cogers like yeah yeah I'm looking forward to seeing like which kid will be like you know asking me to buy cigarettes for them you know because I totally would right so what you're saying like definitely is possible but I think it's too soon to call okay that's such a fair assessment thank you

Now, I think if it's okay with you. Now, without further ado, we're going to get into the Fast Five stories and I'm going to do a little bit of a rework today and everyone's going to be okay with that.

What does that mean? We don't know. It's four stories. And the fifth one is Tell Me Lies recap because I don't want to just pick a nonsense story when I'm desperate to talk about the show. So historically, I have suggested that. And you've been very principled about the five. Well, no. Usually when we do that, this is how we sneak it in, guys, a little trade secrets. Yeah, it'll be like Jackson White, like a story about what happened on set. Something that he said.

said and then we'd lead into the tv recap which is seriously just a waste we do it a lot with reality tv because like news happens a housewife katie maloney has a new boyfriend that is a story i know i know okay that would lead into a vanderpump recap right right right but for the sake of today like literally the name on everybody's lips is tommy lies we just need to get to it so that's what we're doing today and sometimes i give you guys a sixth so i do that for days like this

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Our first story, the big news of the day, very tragic news, is that former One Direction member Liam Payne has died at the age of 31 after falling from a balcony in Buenos Aires, Argentina at a hotel from the third floor of his hotel room.

So on Wednesday, he fell from the third floor of his hotel room at Casa Sur Palermo Hotel in Buenos Aires, according to local officials. The police said in a statement that his fall resulted in extremely serious injuries, with medics confirming his death on the spot. Cause of death was internal and external bleeding and injuries, injuries.

And he died pretty instantaneously. Jackie, you know when you're reading words and you can't believe it? So first of all, my friend Liz texted me. She was like, Claudia, Liam Payne died. And I actually thought it was some sort of joke. I didn't believe it. And then I just went to Twitter to triple check. And it was there. And I was shocked. It reminded me a lot of how I felt when I heard that Kobe Bryant died. When someone who's not old or sick just vanishes, I was shocked. I could not believe it. What on earth? Yeah. Yeah.

And then so many things started to come out and like on Twitter, I don't know. Do you feel like it all? I feel like we found out like with his family, like I feel like, cause he had posted on Snapchat one hour. He'd been posting all day. And then when I found out, if you go to his Snapchat, it said one hour ago. So it all happened so fast. Then I saw pictures of the inside of his hotel room.

And then, and a lot of people are like really upset over TMZ posting pictures of his body. Now it wasn't like a full picture, but like they cut his head out. Yeah. Just to show his tattoos to like show that it was him. They were showing like a dead body on the floor, which was like insane. I'm telling you, I feel like we found it. Like his family must've found out at the same time as the public. I feel like the hotel, maybe like, I don't, I don't think it's like a big fancy private hotel. I just think,

It got out like insane. Like that's how I feel. Unless. Who knows who was in the room with him. Because maybe like when it happened. They immediately like called whoever's closest to him. Maybe. But it couldn't have been the difference of more than like 10 to 30 minutes. I don't know if anyone was with him. Because he was on this trip with his girlfriend. And she had left Buenos Aires two days ago. Right. But there were.

people like in his that last picture there's a picture of him going around that was like the last picture of him I think it was from like an hour before and he was in the hotel because he was like even before he had been asked to leave the lobby right I feel like he was upstairs with people maybe it was friends or people that he had met I I can't imagine he was completely alone yeah

But apparently he was in the lobby like acting strangely. They had called the police and they kicked him out of the lobby and they said like this person appears to be under the influence of drugs and alcohol. Right. I've seen a lot of stuff and I've seen a lot that's like probably unverified but also seen stuff like in the news and stuff. And so it's hard to like keep apart like what's legit. But it does seem like he was partying. Yeah. I think one of these articles said that like he threw himself off the balcony. Well so there is not like a confirmed. Did he trip?

Like, was he being like, you know, party, party and like, you know, fell over? Right. Did he intentionally? I think it was an accident. Yeah. But there is no definite. We're not sure yet. No. Yeah. Nobody knows like what he was doing. Like intentions were. Yeah. What his intentions were. Yeah.

But I do think what is clear is that there was like drugs and alcohol involved. It's so sad. Like for a million reasons. One, he's like a young guy who shouldn't be dead. Two, he is a seven-year-old kid. Like that's devastating. Three, he means a lot to a lot of people. Like obviously his career has...

shifted in recent years but like what he's known for like it really means a lot you forget how big and deep the fandom is like because they're no longer together but now like I'm seeing so much like content about One Direction and like how like the influence it had on so many young girls and so it's really it is the most like I'm in shock it is so tragic yeah and so it's

Just sad. And I think so many people are obviously like wondering what all the other members are thinking and doing and saying and if they're going to show up. But at the end of the day, this is just like a young guy who is a dad and he should not be dead. Yeah. It's so sad. It's very sad. And I think there was a lot going on with him in the last few weeks that now like in hindsight like led up to this. Looks differently. And looks different and seems to be like a cry for help then, you know? Yeah, but there's also like

A lot of conversations being had about Maya Henry, who's his ex-girlfriend. Right. A lot of what we're talking about in the last couple of weeks when it comes to Liam Payne is because she's sharing sort of the... Dark side of their relationship. Yeah, and the things that she suffered during their time together. And so I think she's receiving a lot of hate because the timing is obviously bad. Yeah. But two things can be true, right? Yeah, and also...

Not that we could ever even know enough to say, but we don't, not even a fraction, know anything of what, like, happened between, what brought him to, what was going on with him yesterday, the days before. Like, we just don't know anything. So the person is gone, and it's a tragedy. Liam's current girlfriend had said that, like, the reason why she left is because they were only supposed to be there for...

like four nights and that was when the concert was that we were talking about last week the uh Niall Horan one and the trip just kept getting extended extended she's like I don't want to be home away from home for that long so I left two days ago um so to be so far away from home when you pass away and like your family's not nearby like it's so many elements of this just make this so so tragic yeah and even the fact that like his girlfriend who he was there with like left and he stayed like that's

It's not a good sign. Yeah. There was obviously like a lot going on. He was not in a good place and it led to this. And for it to be just like so final is really, really sad. Yeah. So much of it reminds me oddly of Kobe Bryant's death. Like remember when Vanessa Bryant ended up suing and winning the

the case against, who was that against? The LAPD, because they had also released photos. Now, a government agency is obviously different than like a tabloid, but so much of it just reminds me, like the rollout too, like we all found out, I think the Bryant family found out at the same time as we did. A lot of people found out, a lot of people close to him found out from the media. Like, so it reminded me so much of that and also just like the nature of it being so tragic and like such a young, talented, otherwise healthy person. Yeah. Yeah.

terrible story I was so surprised like I can't even put into words how it took me like 45 minutes for the letters that I was reading to compute into English do you know you call me and told me and I and that's exactly what I said to you like I felt like it took me a number of seconds to like understand what you just said because what yeah it's so sad like seriously so sad especially for his son yeah

So I'm sure we'll get more information. And of course, the tributes are rolling in and we'll keep you posted. But as you said, it's pretty final and just terrible. Terrible.

Are you ready for our next story? I'm just going to switch the gear. Yeah, we got to. I'm just going to. And I'm going to caveat this story by saying it's nothing that you or I will care about, but I know a lot of people are going to care. So we are doing this in service of others. We are doing this in service of others to let you know that Sophia Bush is joining Grey's Anatomy. Oh, yeah. No, I have thoughts.

So One Tree Hill's R.A.N. Chicago PD star Sophia Bush is about to put on some scrubs. She has landed a recurring role on Grey's Anatomy, joining the medical drama's 21st season as Dr. Cass Beckman, a trauma surgeon described as, quote, amiable, fun, and a little messy around the edges. Her role will debut on November 7th, the day after my birthday.

The day after my birthday. Let me tell you like things that make sense. This like you're telling me Sophia Bush wasn't on Grey's Anatomy already. When I read this article, I was like, let me just make sure it's not like she was already on it. And now she's going to get a permanent role. No, let me just make sure this show, this article isn't from six years ago. Like she's on those shows, PDMD, Chicago, NBC. Like they're all the same to me. Yeah. I think this is great. I feel like the Venn diagram of people who love Sophia Bush and watch Grey's Anatomy is mostly a circle. A thousand percent. Maybe a circle with like two little ears, like Mickey Mouse. Yep.

But I think this is really great for the community and for television. I also think when you're on... Sophia Bush has done a good job. When you think about all the girls from that show, it's a really hard thing to be on an iconic, years-long series and then do what afterwards, right? And I don't think the other girls...

really in terms of acting ever did that much. And they recently had like a big podcast, like a rewatch podcast with Hillary, Bethany Joy Lenz and, and Sophia Bush that I think ended really poorly. There's like beef between the girls. So that's over. And I think Sophia Bush has actually done a really great job of saying, she's like really the definition of a working actor. Yeah. And I think the PDMD NBC shows have been really good for her. And Grey's Anatomy is just kind of like a promotion from that.

Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. Another one of the One Tree Hill castmates is making like a lot of news. Bethany. Bethany, because she's on the cover of People. She was on Call Her Daddy. I didn't watch One Tree Hill, so I don't know who she plays. If she's not the other girl, who's the other girl? She's Haley Scott. Haley Scott, which is Bethany Joy Lenz. Hilary Burton, who's Peyton. Right. And then Sophia, who is, what's her name in the show? He's on the door, Peyton. He's on the damn door next to you.

What was her name? I don't know. Brooke Davis? Yes. Thank you, Brooke. So yes, the other girl, because she was in a cult. Yeah, and like who knew? Maybe that's why she hasn't done much acting, because she was like silently suffering in a cult. She's now telling her story. She's now telling her story. So just like One Tree Hill is...

having a moment it is it is they're always having a moment especially if you live in North Carolina they go back to that town Treehill I know I keep seeing Chad Michael Murray on a basketball court with his brother they like have reunions where like in the town where they filmed I don't think it's really called Treehill I think it's like Wilmington or something um and they like go to the school where they filmed and they have like I think it's all for charity and it's like cool like fans pay to like you know go see um but Chad Michael Murray uh

Nathan Scott, like they all show up. It's cute. It's cute. I'd never watched an episode of One Tree Hill and I really like confuse it with Friday Night Lights a little bit, which I did watch. But Friday Night Lights didn't have Gavin DeGraw. And I'll just say that. But One Tree Hill didn't have that instrumental theme song. Sorry, Friday Night Lights is like not even, this isn't even an opinion, this is just fact, is the greatest TV show ever created. Like they seriously don't make it. Better than Desperate Housewives? Yes.

it's such a tough question because like they're so different. So in their respective, their respective categories and genres, they're obviously the best. But if I were to pit two against each other, just depends like what mood am I in? Do I want to cry or do I want to laugh? Like,

- One Tree Hill has more, I mean, sorry, Friday Night Lights has more heart than Desperate Housewives. - Yeah. - But Desperate Housewives has more smarts. - Yeah. - It's hearts for smarts. - Sound off in the comments because I don't even know. I think those are the two. Like what other are the greatest shows? - I'll throw some out there. Not saying these are my nominees. - Okay. - The OC. - No. - It kind of like, it had one and a half good seasons. - Yeah. Gossip Girl, no. - Gossip Girl, no.

I don't know if this isn't really comparable because now we get into a different category of Mad Men, which then brings you to Game of Thrones. By the way, Mad Men and Game of Thrones are definitely up in the top five greatest TV shows of all time. And I'm going to put in there, tell me lies. Honestly, agreed. Sound off in the comments, what's your number one? It's subjective. There's no right answer is what I'm going to say. But there are wrong answers. For other people, like Succession. Wrong. Agreed.

Even like Yellowstone, which I love, when we're comparing it to the Friday Night Lights, no, it's not there. People would say Grey's Anatomy. I'm sorry, a show that never ends. Like part of being a great show is landing the plane at some point. 28 seasons, like who needs that many shows? Lost, Gracie's dad's show. Gracie's dad's show. I've seen it. It was good. Yeah, it's up there, but I don't. I'm getting really into Gracie. She's so good. By the way, I don't know if you know this.

She's JJ's daughter? Her dad is the guy who created Star Wars. No. I don't know if you know this, but she is our opener for Taylor. I don't know if we were planning on going to the openers. Oh, I have to see if she's the direct opener. You're not going to be able to put the boys down and see Gracie Abrams. I didn't think I would be able to, but we'll map it out. That's good to know, though. Also, do people say, because I was watching Snitch's...

concert stories of her. Like do people say she is very similar to Taylor Swift like in terms of Taylor's early work? I think that as a songwriter and that's like why they're such good friends is their ability to like put to lyrics the feelings we all feel. But I don't know. I don't think there are that many like direct comparisons between them. What do you think is similar? Like I just think their way of telling stories and capturing like young romantic girl emotions. What do you think about her and Paul Mezcal?

I like it. I like it too. I like it because I don't not like it. Correct. There's nothing not to like. Exactly. Neither of them have offended me. They're good looking people who have a great career ahead of them. So not one person is like being dragged down by the other. I do feel, and I don't know Paul Mezcal in a personal sense. I could see him like taking like a moral, like opposition. Against her privilege. Yeah. I don't know why. I could just see him like thinking he's too good for it. Yeah. Yeah.

But I kind of love that he's so free, you know? Yeah. Speaking of something that we didn't even talk about that I feel like we needed to was Jacob Elordi and Olivia Jade's Italian vacation. I'm so fucking obsessed with these two. I like Claudia so much. So I watched her vlog for a minute. Yeah, of course. Did you look for him because he wasn't in there? No, I know. No, she's so first of all, the way she has come back from largely one of the biggest influencer scandals, probably the biggest.

is beyond impressive. And like, seriously, I feel like when we talk about her now, we don't even think about college admissions and nobody really comes back from something that big in a way that she has, which is just like, she deserves so much kudos for that because it's the hardest thing to do.

Two, she is so fucking cool. Like, and she's so naturally cool. Like, you watch her videos. She's not even doing anything that crazy. It's like, please teach me. No, even the way she's just like putting moisturizer on. I'm like, how do I make my hands look like that? The little dainty fingers. Like, when I put on face cream, it's like seriously a behemoth scratching their face. She is so delicate. And her style is so unique. Like, even she wears things. I'm like, the fuck? She looks so good. Like, good luck putting me in that. She's so...

natural and I know obviously like it takes an obscene amount of money to like be this stylish and naturally. But you know in the vlog she was shopping at Zara doing a try on in the dressing room just picking out like simple items and she just has great style. I mean this is like the most serious way. I would literally take a bullet to be her. And of course nobody's life is perfect. Okay like you look like Olivia Jade and date Jacob Elordi. Down. Give it a shot. She was making pasta too. I think that's next for me.

Yeah, I was talking to Shannon. She was saying that sourdough is next for her and she might need some starter. Oh, I need pasta making tips from Shannon because I don't see myself going to Italy soon. You should do it. So I think we should have maybe a Zoom. I think I need her up on my computer. A Zoom. A webinar. A WebEx. That is so funny. We could sell tickets. Honestly, yeah.

That's like a great business idea. I would buy one. I would watch it. Like the replay. I'm so glad you brought up Olivia Jade and Jacob Elordi. Like just two people. And they've really been together for a long time. Remember that first picture of them at the dog park together? Like she was wearing tights and they were wearing masks because it was still like COVID-y. It's literally been over two years. They were giving Violet and Zayden from Fourth Wing. Yes. It's giving. Like when are you getting married? They've been together for a while. And by the

By the way, that trip to Italy. Vacationing with her family. It was her family's trip. Yeah. And I was obsessed with those pictures of them on the boat, like reading and drinking wine. Like what were they reading? Probably Fourth Wing. No, you know that Olivia Jade is like a swirly on TikTok. Like she was reading a book that we've definitely read. A hundred percent. Yeah. And you know what? I actually do have a fifth and final story that I'm going to add to the mix.

I just remembered something I wanted to discuss. Great. Are you ready for our next story? What number? Number three. I can't believe we made that Sophia Bush last so long. Oh, yeah. Wow. We are so talented. We are so good at what we do.

Number three, Vanderpump Rules' Katie Maloney reveals she's in love with a new boyfriend. So Katie Maloney revealed on her podcast, disrespectfully, with her co-host Dana, who is Dana from VPR, who should have been on more seasons. One season wonder. Agreed. Who was a great cast member, but she took her talents to the podcasting sphere and together they do a podcast together.

Dana asked her, do you have any life updates that you would like to share? And she said, I'll share. I have a boyfriend. Yeah, I'm in love. She went on to say that he makes me feel really special and he's really special. And she said, I'm just really, really happy. So many things. One, like sending love to Satchel. Obviously, this must be really hard for him. I hope the original Satchel. I hope his friends are checking in on him today, too. I'm actually really happy. By the way, Maloney, she didn't say it's not Satchel.

Oh my God, that's so true. Maybe they reconnected. Yeah, just want to leave, hold space for that. Katie Maloney was in such a toxic marriage with probably one of the worst husbands to ever exist. And she like actively knew, it's not like she thought that this was how like your husband was supposed to treat you. She literally knew that it was supposed to be different and it was supposed to be better. And like she took control of that no matter how hard it was and like got divorced and like actively sought out like a normal relationship. And she must be like so, she must be in shock.

- Of what a normal relationship is. - Now I don't know if maybe it's a terrible relationship. - Might not even be the right one for her, but if she's happy and it's a good one, then that must just be such a good feeling after years of like really being second fiddle to your own husband. - Like let's assume it's like a good decent relationship and he's like a nice guy who is nice to women.

It must be shocking to her system, like, to see, like, oh, my God, this is what all you bitches were doing in your relationship for the last 10 years while I was, like, silently suffocating in the valley. Mm-hmm. I'm actually so happy for her. Me too. And then, like, as a consumer of the show, the timing lines up because they are either filming now or about to start filming, and if they're in love, then legit, like, maybe we'll see him. It's not early days. That's what's nice about this. It's not early days. Yeah.

I'm glad you brought up Dana. Like, I feel like Vanderpump rules oddly, even though they had this like huge surge with Scandival. I think that this kind of impasse with like, they don't know where to go from here and how the valley factors in and what the casting is going to be. And I think that Dana is like a really fresh, she was very good. She was a good reality star. Like it came natural to her. I think that she should be on it. I think so too. I feel like maybe it was more of her choice not to, because I don't see why she's not.

Why they wouldn't have her. Yeah. Yeah. And those dark seasons that she was like part of, like some of the worst TV ever. She was such a, like the only bright spot. I think it was one season. That's how long it was. It was one season. But I'm saying like that era that was like kind of bad for Vanderpump Rules. Yeah. She is like with Charlie and Danica. What was her name? And Max and Matt. Brecks. Who was it? Was it her name? Danica? The suspended manager. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like those were such dark times. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, happy for Katie Maloney. Me, like actually me too.

Are you ready for our fourth story? Yeah. Which is some book news because Pope Francis is making history, not herstory. Memoirs of a Pope? Memoirs of a Pope. He is writing an autobiography. It's not called Memoirs of a Pope. I'm going to give you the name. But just know it's historic because a sitting Pope has never written a memoir. It was supposed to come out after he died, but instead it's coming out in next January. And this is the title. Just wait. Hope. Hope.

The Autobiography. Wow. That is a title. It rhymes. That's really good. I didn't know what you were going to say. Of course. What could a pope even title his book, which apparently he's not supposed to write? Yeah. I don't know how I feel. Like, the pope is not my...

Right. I'm not familiar with his work, his background. I understand the significance and I obviously have respect for it, but this is not my personal. So how do you guys feel? The Catholic swirlies like do you want to hear from the pope in a memoir type of format? Yeah. Here are the deets on hope and autobiography that took the 87 year old pontiff six years to pen with his co-writer. It will be published next January, just in time for the newly announced 2025 Jubilee of Hope.

The upcoming memoir, which follows his March book, Life, My Story Through History, also makes history as the first memoir written by a sitting pontiff, according to the publisher, Penguin Random House. The landmark autobiography was originally meant to be published after his death, but inspired by the upcoming year of Jubilee, a rarity that only occurs every 25 years, the pontiff decided to release it now.

Now the sales of the book. Right. Is he getting like a new house? But I feel like he doesn't keep it. I feel like it goes to the Vatican. Like the fund, like the bear bank account. I feel like. I don't think the Pope has personal finances. Right. But he could set them up like for this book if he wanted to. However, he should put it in the church account.

The plate. Yeah. Right? The collection plate, yeah. That's like, if you're serious about it, if you mean what you say. Yeah, it would be honestly like majorly scandalous if he was collecting a check in a personal sense. But like for what? If you're a pope, you don't have kids. No, and it's not like you need a great giant house like you live in the Vatican. In the biggest house of all. Yeah, it's not like you take summers down the shore. Right, right.

And if you do, like that's funded by the Vatican. And I'm sure people would love to host you and say like the Pope stayed here. So I don't really think money is an object. Me neither. So I think it should go back to the church. I think it probably does. Yeah. I won't be reading this. I'm sure if I kept reading, like it would tell me that. But it's more fun to guess. Probably buried at the bottom of this article. I this will obviously be like one of those books.

You know, like Obama's and Matthew McConaughey's that never leave the New York Times bestseller. It'll sell more copies in the Bible. And, you know, in some senses it is the Bible. I don't think so. I think that's like really blasphemous to say. Oh, is it? Sorry. No, just that like one man story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just a guy. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like Bible related. Like I'm sure it's in the same genre. Same shelf. They'll be competing with the good book. So I just think that's pretty sweet.

Is that the story you added? No, that leads into our fifth and final story, which is actually a beautiful segue because Amazon has announced new Kindles. Oh, yes. Where you can read the Pope's new book. And I just want to say, like, I'm not thrilled. Oh, you're not? So here's the big news. The first color Kindle is here. Now, if you have a Kindle, like, you know how major this is. Amazon just announced four new Kindles, including a revamped paper white. That's for you. No, it's not. A more capable scribe.

I use my scribe. I like it. Me too. And the first ever color Kindle, which will be exciting for like the book covers, but for anything beyond that, I don't really know what the point is. The colors is like also... Do you know when you can highlight something in a Kindle? You're going to be able to highlight in different colors. So it's like pink is like all your quotes and yellow is inspiration. Okay, that's absurd. Actually, I could...

sometimes I highlight stuff, especially if we're reading for the redheads, like things that are so dumb, but then they go into my highlights and I'm like, my highlights are actually filled with sage wisdom. I read my highlights every few years and I'm like,

This is the good book. But then I have like a dumb fucking quote in there for something I wanted to make fun of on the redheads. So that's nice that I could categorize it. My gripe with the relaunch is that, you know, about a year ago, they discontinued the Kindle Oasis, which is my favorite Kindle. It's the first Kindle that has a button for page turning. So also the first Kindle where the back isn't completely flat. There's like a little bit of a grip. So just ergonomically, carpal tunnel wise, I think it's the most accessible. And I think it's the most accessible

then they randomly discontinued it. I had to buy like three or four like on the dark web. I have a couple now because I'm always losing my Kindles and it was just understood that they would be releasing like a bigger and better version of the Oasis. And so with this launch, I was really just pleased to find that with all these new versions, like four new Kindles, not one of them has a button or a grip. Yeah. Okay. That's a fair. What is that? Critique except for the scribe, the big ones we have. Do you ever use that one? That's what I use right now. It's flat. It does not have

- It doesn't? - A grip in the back. No, and it doesn't have a button either. - I thought it had buttons. - Like they were moving into the 21st century with the Oasis, finally giving us a button. You can also still tap, right? But two different ways to turn. And then they just got rid of it. Why? - I don't know. - Like a company secret. Nobody will tell me. - I'll give you one. I'll give you mine. - Jackie, I have four. Like I literally bought, I bought one from a toaster.

Amazon sent me three from like the back stock because I was like being annoying about it and they gave me some. So it's not for me. Like I used my privilege. You're worried about everyone else. Yeah. And I'm also just like genuinely concerned from like a product development standpoint. Why would you not want to evolve? Like you did evolve and it was people loved it.

I'm sure they have their reasons because they are evolving for new Kindles colors. I don't get a new color Kindles on the outside. Yeah. You can get like green ones. Yeah. It's cute. It's cute. And I just think the satchel, our satchel, not Katie Maloney's was at the Kindle event last night. Like how fabulous Katie Maloney's not Katie Maloney's satchel. We really do have to specify. You really do. And those are the fast side stories that you absolutely needed to know.

- And just know when I'm talking about Satchel, I am always talking about Katie Maloney Satchel, okay? - These days I'm always talking about our little sister. - I know, I know. It's hard, it's hard when like the two people you love share the same name. - And there also is a purse.

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So, so many things happened and there are so many storylines worth pursuing. But I want to quickly say there was a conspiracy theory going around last week that so many people told me about. And I guess you too. It completely went over my head. I really believe Diana didn't talk to her dad. He cut off her credit card and she didn't do well on the LSAT and she was just kind of in her flop era. And I so wish nobody told me about these stupid conspiracy theories because it was true. And I want to know how gagged I would have been if I didn't expect it. Because once somebody told me that, I was like, oh, duh. Diana's not stupid. Well, I...

When Diana said she did bad on her LSAT, I actually thought that she was lying, that she actually did good and she was ready to like split away from Steven. However, then a few things happened and I was like, oh no, nevermind. Cause like she didn't go home for Thanksgiving and then her credit card was canceled. And I was like, oh, she really is cut off by her dad. But I didn't think she was actually taking this shit all

the way in the way that she did when she got in her dad's car rolled down the window and felt the wind on her face that's my queen right there and for no I think three weeks I was doubting my girl like oh you know that he was in the car with Macy and his rib is broken and like you're still lying for him and I'm sorry to my queen for doubting my queen because that's my queen right there

No, and the episode, this whole season, but mostly the last episode, it's like everybody is worse off. Like everybody's lives are in despair. Everyone has made poor decisions or terrible things have happened and they have ended up so at a loss. And Diana's the only one who came out on top. She's going to law school. She's out of this group. She's out of this school. She's graduating and she's rich. She has one more semester, by the way. This is only winter break. Oh, oh, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry. But like she can survive one semester.

Yeah. And now Steven wants something to do with her because he thinks she's a useless idiot. And that is great for Diana. So I love that for her. However, she is still in the group because her and Pippa like have this connection. This connection.

Okay, so that's first. Now let's go to Lucy who did this crazy thing. There's one more part of the Diana theory that I don't know if it will come true. The paper. Maybe don't tell me. No, you told me. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Stephen had written a paper for her. So if he finds out that she is actually in great academic standing, he does have something he can threaten her with. Being like, look, she plagiarized. I wrote this whole paper for her. Remember when her computer died or something? Right, right. So hopefully that does not happen. Like I need my queen to stay winning.

Well, in the future, like she appears to be doing well. Like when we saw her apartment, she was like in this big. She comes from money. She's just rich. Yeah. So who knows? I'll be so mad. Like how did this group of people all end up at the same college? Like I never met anyone like this in college. Like these people are not real. No, these people are not real. Now, who do we want to tackle next? Lucy? Lucy.

Yeah. Lucy, you know, makes a decision to fuck Steven, immediately regrets it. And she thinks that like getting back together with Leo will make her feel better. It does temporarily until she realizes getting back together with him means having sex with him right after she had sex with Steven. And that scene was really uncomfortable to watch. And then she also thinks it's a good idea to go to a party where she knows she's going to run into Steven. And then that whole, you know, physical kerfuffle happens. And I wasn't like mad watching Leo beat up Steven. I was like, you know what? Finally, somebody needs to kick this guy's ass. He was loving it. He was like,

like right for that and then the fact that it ends and like he's the bad guy it's like no Lucy you are still the one that is wrong no I mean how lucky is Lucy she never had to answer for her sins because he went nuts and beat the shit out of Steven that was so crazy what she did like and also it made me realize she could have gotten back together with Leo at any point in the last few weeks or even I don't know the next day to go from sleeping with Steven like right to sleeping with Leo like

Is crazy behavior. And I was wondering where they were like focusing on her underwear so much. I was just like so many times I saw her red like shiny underwear. I understand now it was like you know a plot device. So that was really well done honestly by the series. My jaw was on the floor. We didn't make any progress in the storyline about her lying to everyone about having been drugged by Lydia's brother. So that's obviously still something looming. Yes. But it appears now that like Stephen and and

What's her name? Lucy. Lucy. Like never quit each other. After college, this is like a thing. They go back and forth. They hurt each other. They get back together. They fuck. So even like him being with Lydia, it's just to fuck with Lucy. Like it's all this big stupid game. And like, I can't with these people. It's seriously. And so it's 2008. She's a sophomore. So she graduates in 2011. And so she then is with this fucked up dynamic for four years.

And then another four years, because it's 2015 now, so it's an eight-year-long game that they're playing. Yeah. Now, at first I saw Lucy as a victim of Stevens. I don't really see her that way anymore. I think they're both, like, equally culpable in...

The big relationship and the game that they play with each other. Right. And like, there are ways for her to move on. When she texted him to come to the pool to watch her hooking up with her boyfriend. Like, that's when to me, she's no longer. The whole time that the wedding things are happening, she's trying to stay away from him. She's so nervous. She doesn't want Max to talk to him. Maybe because she doesn't want Max. Maybe they hooked up a week ago and she doesn't want Max to know that. So the assumption was that they haven't spoken, but they definitely have. I mean, they probably haven't.

have she's very much like still playing this game with him and this whole season like was really redemptive for Lucy like I really felt bad for her and even though she did really terrible things in the first season like she was under the influence of Stephen she was really trying to make amends she spent like she said she spent the whole semester like just trying to like in her own way apologize for the things that she did and like be there for her friends without telling them what she did because otherwise she'd have to transfer um and so then for her

And I can even forgive her hooking up with Steven again, 'cause she's not completely healed, whatever. But like eight years later, we're still doing this. Like no, the two of you are both garbage, goodbye.

Now, I want to know how Stephen kept a voice memo from a Motorola Razr to an iPhone. There's literally no way to keep a voice memo for seven years. How many different phones? You get a new phone every two years. Oh my God. If he recorded that, he knew that he was going to need it one day. He probably emailed it to himself and it was in his email. But from a Motorola? I don't think you could even email off a phone. Use a USB. You could get something if you needed to. And by the way, it felt like he was going to let that

nugget go. Now another thing, like a lot of loose ends were tied up. Like we realized like how certain things ended the way that they did, but a lot of things are still in the air. Like who is this person calling Brie, you know, the days leading up to her wedding? I think they want us to assume it's Oliver, but I don't think that it is. That's so obvious. Like, yeah, people are saying it's Marianne. People are saying that it's Leo that like, because where does Leo go from here? Right. Is he just like a discarded cast member? No, they don't do that. You know, everyone is like incestual. In the credits, he's guest starring.

I don't know if he's a full-time cast member, but I'm sure it is someone that we already know. But I do want to talk about the Mary and Oliver Brie situation because like everybody in the show is like Brie was wronged.

- No, she wasn't. Like she was doing something really terrible. Like just because it turned out that they were actually doing something worse doesn't take away from the fact that like what she was doing was so terrible and she should actually have been relieved that she actually wasn't as bad of a person as she thought that she was. And what she was doing was actually not as bad as she thought that it was.

But I guess the assumption is that like what she was doing, well, yeah, she knew having an affair with a married man is bad, like because he's so much older and in a position of power as like a teacher at the school, like she almost, even though like, and he said like she really did pursue him. You're sort of like, like he's really supposed to know better than to ever start a relationship with a student and one who's 30 years younger. That was true the entire time. Like the facts of the case haven't changed.

Yeah. And if anything, her guilty conscience should be absolved. And instead she's like, thinks that what Marianne, like, so like Marianne said, it was better when I was just a sad wife who didn't know, but you still did the same thing. And the insinuation was that like,

Marianne and Oliver's marriage isn't what it appears to be because she was like crying at the end. I don't know why she was crying. And she also said like to Lucy, like I'm so glad he didn't meet you first. And she also said like, you're trying to hurt me, but like you can't say anything to me that's already like not been said or whatever. Like I feel like,

Like Marianne was like his student or something. Like, I feel like there's a lore, like a backstory. Well, I think the only thing that would really make like Oliver, like a true monster. Cause him having an open relationship and then meeting someone. And yes, the student teacher dynamic is like completely wrong, but that was always the case when people were shipping them, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Um, is if he has a pattern of wooing students, um,

Yeah. Yeah. And like, it's always every semester, every year, it's a different student. And Marianne has like been in this situation so many times and maybe she's in an open relationship because that's the only way to like keep her husband who she loves with her. But I think if it's like very much like a student, like, um, obsession and she is 19, like he is much older, but they didn't even say that. Like she, Marianne didn't even say you're not the first student.

just another student no yeah so I just feel like by the way I was gagged when we found out that just like random randomly that Evan was his student oh yeah not that it like it doesn't mean it changed anything I was just like oh yeah no when Miriam was walking into the room where Brie was like putting her clothes and I was fucking freaking out and for like her not even to get the tongue lashing that I thought was coming like she should have been she should have been like bye freaks and just been so thankful like her whole life could

life could have been ruined. She should have been by freaks. Like seriously, these people are weird as hell. Like get out. Her whole life. If Marianne like didn't know. And if it was what Brie thought it was. And by the way, Brie went over to his house. They're hooking up like in her bed. What she was doing was so wrong. She should have been so thankful in that moment that she got away with it. Like, and it wasn't brought to a disciplinary hearing. And everyone knew that she slept with the professor. Like she got away with it. And she's like mad that she got away with it.

That it wasn't as bad of a thing that she did as she thought it was? Now, we have known since the very first season that something happens with Drew. It was under my assumption, like, that perhaps he...

took his own life because he was going through this really tough thing and struggling with guilt. And the way it ended up happening was like literally so much more sad. I was like, it was so hard to watch. And like, I literally knew when they were drinking and taking pills, like I just knew something bad was going to happen. I didn't know if this was going to be it. I didn't think it was going to be it. I thought it was going to lead to addiction or something. Yeah. I had such a pit and like, and I certainly thought that maybe Drew would find out that

Wrigley was with Pippa again and that would come between them again. Like I thought that the story was gonna keep going on. I thought he would overhear him leaving a voicemail for Pippa or Sienna. Like I just did not think it was ending like the next day. - No, it was so sad. And then Steven sharing with Wrigley that he was the one who wrote the letter. Like, I don't know what that does for anyone. - Well, it allows the letter to be written without anyone like really suffering consequences 'cause Steven was able to spin it as like a helpful thing that he did.

That actually worked for me because Lucy, like, yes, she wrote the letter, but like Steven pushed her to write it. Like it is. And Steven's the one who told Lucy, Steven is the reason why he's not, not responsible. The reason why the letter was written. I'm glad that they now know that it wasn't Pippa. I'm glad that they know like that's where it came from. So even though that's not the complete truth, like I actually thought that letter gate was

tied up nicely like with Stephen doing that and also explains like why now Lucy's gonna like fall back again for Stephen because he did this huge thing for her and absolved her of a lot of guilt I also think in that moment because this is before he found out about Evan and Lucy I think he really did like love Lucy and so the fact that yeah they could be the worst versions of themselves and still like each other like I think he was really into that because he's so fucked up

Him finding out that her and Evan screwed, like I feel like in that moment, like he actually stopped like loving Lucy and he wants to fuck with her and he wants to play these games. But like for him, for some reason, that was the line. Well, that is like a big thing with him. Even Wrigley and Pippa hooking up freshman year, like he punished Wrigley. What did he even do to Wrigley? Is that why he told Lucy? No, not Wrigley and Pippa, Wrigley and Diana. Wrigley and Diana, sorry.

Yeah, he's just like fucking crazy and territorial. Yeah, but he did something to Wrigley when he found out about that. Was that what made Lucy write the letter? No, he found out about it this season. Did he? In the beginning, yeah. He just was like a dick to Wrigley all season long and gave him really bad advice, especially about Drew. Yeah.

The Drew thing was so sad. Oh my God. Yeah. And someone said like, how do you come back from that? I do not know how you come back from that. When he said like, I don't know how I'm going to look my mother in the face. Like, cause he's supposed to be this older brother, this protector. And he was the one providing the drugs. And like, I'm sure his parents don't know that they do drugs. Like horrible. Terrible. It's such a pit. Yeah. And it doesn't bode well for Wrigley and Pippa because like Wrigley has now a lot of healing to do.

And then the big final thing was the voicemail that Brie eventually ends up hearing right before walking down the aisle, blowing the case wide open that her fiance has been lying to her for eight years and her best friend have been lying to her for eight years. They have this big secret. Like, honestly, I think Brie's still walking down the aisle. Cause if she's doesn't like, that's dumb. Like Evan's a good guy, whatever. No. And I think 10 years ago, Brie,

She isn't in love with Evan. I think she fell out of love with him. She was very naive when they first got together. She fell out of love with him so quickly. Like, I don't think that like she has blinders on. I think her marrying him, like, I think he's a really nice guy and he loves her so much. It's a good marriage. He comes from a great family. Like she wants family. She wants stability and like,

Those things don't change just because he hooked up with Lucy eight years ago. However, her friendship with Lucy now changes. Yeah, it means more the Lucy of it all than the Evan of it all. For Brie, not for anyone else. But I think like Brie's reasons for walking down the aisle. She's obviously also running away from something on her phone. Like she's still walking down the aisle, I think. Diana's saying...

You know, it's unsettling when you don't know where he is. Slay. Yeah. Slay. She's such a slay. She bet her to filth. Agreed. And honestly, I ship her and Pippa. At first, I was like, what? No, I ship. Yeah. Yeah. And also, we need Diana at the wedding. Correct. We need Diana in the mix. So if that's the vehicle to get her there is Pippa, I'm down. Yeah. So such a good show. Such a good season. It was such a good episode. Like, it was genuinely perfect. So many things were tied up while also...

Opening new cases wide open. Yeah like next season is going to be so good. And it was just really really amazing. And when Grace Van Patten had done an interview. Being like so much of her character is really inspired by Vanderpump Rules. And she was saying how like Stassi. She like watched as like a character study. The episode last night like really reminded me so much of Vanderpump Rules. Just given how incestuous this group is. Like it really is like. That's why someone saying that the guy calling her is Leo. Like I wouldn't be surprised. That's true. Yeah.

Like they just recycle everyone in this group. Yeah, I do wonder who it is. Who else do we know on the show?

And I can't remember a time where I, I didn't read the book so maybe I'm not as attached to it, but I feel like the show is so acclaimed in addition to the book being so popular and they've been able to stretch it and create new narratives and new characters and new things. 'Cause the book ended a while ago, right? - Yeah. - This is not in the book. - No. - So it's so impressive. It's really a feat for the literature swirlies. - It is, and you know it's Emma Roberts' production company. - Yep, queen. - Of course, "Carola Lovering," queen.

Queen. And Megan Oppenheimer, that's a showrunner. Queen. Yeah. So that is our show. That's a Tell Me Lies recap that you needed to hear in a biblical sense. Tomorrow's episode will be Jackson Claude in person from Florida Toast HQ. I'll see you then. From my township.

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