Break Up Season: Wednesday, January 8th, 2025
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- Good morning millennials. Welcome back to the toast and happy Wednesday. It's hump day. - It's Wednesday, Claude. Wanna see if we can make a W with our hands? I know we can. - How we would do it like, that wouldn't even be a W Jackie, it would be like a square. - We're just a couple of squares here. - It's hump day, don't forget to hump someone you love. And speaking of somebody I love and who I'm hoping isn't too mad at me right now. - Why would I be mad at you? - 'Cause I took the sweater from your closet and brought it home with me.

What sweater is that? It's a hatch maternity cardigan. Oh my gosh. It's a staple in a pregnant lady's wardrobe. I would bequeath it to you. I'm glad that you took it. Okay, because I've been wanting to wear it for a couple of days. I'm like, let me just soften the blow, not come back from her house and immediately show the spoils of my raid. Of your...

What's meant for you will find you. Thank you. That sweater is meant for you. It was one of my favorite pregnancy staples. I'll tell you, it's a little snug. I'm glad it's made its way to you. Thank you for your support and for not being angry with me. And that's definitely a fun part about being pregnant. Like people really don't get angry with you. But you also know a fun fact about me that I think is unexpected is that like, I love to share my things with people. I'm so glad you brought that up. I was thinking about that the other day. Um,

because I was taking stock of my clothing and my life and all these beautiful things that I have, like I really won't be able to get back into for quite some time. And how I kind of feel detached from these things that used to like, I felt kind of possessive over in a material way. And I'm like, oh, that must be like where Jackie, because I think it was around the time where like you really started being very generous with your things. Like you always lend people purses and beautiful jewelry and clothing. And I think it was also around the time where you like started to have babies where you just feel like less attached to them.

to these material things. And I'm definitely feeling that, but that's mostly because like I don't fit into any of them. - Right, so now would you feel like, oh, I want Margo to wear this. - Yeah, like if Margo came over and one of my favorite dresses, I'd be like, go.

Yeah, that's how I feel. And even now, like the most recent thing that I bought, like if you wanted to wear it, you had the perfect occasion, like I would joyously let you borrow it. I'm feeling that way. Honestly, I am. And for me, it's less like out of the goodness of my heart and more so like, well, it's just sitting there.

Right. You know? Right, right, right. Before we dive in, would be RDH, not to mention the absolute, like, biblical level of atrocities happening in Los Angeles right now. I feel like I'm seeing so much stuff because so much happened overnight, but these wildfires that have, like, literally ravaged entire communities. And I feel like this happens, like, it's definitely seasonal. I feel like we talk about it once a year, but this one definitely feels...

bigger and different and really scary and like unstoppable. And it gives me such a pit because like just the footage of it is so apocalyptic. It's like literally things you see in a movie. And it's so sad. I know we have like a lot of listeners who live in the area and who are either evacuating or, and you know what else? Like these, whenever we talk about this, I feel like,

in L.A., it always also, like, really highlights, because we're always, like, reporting. I even saw this morning, like, so sad Spencer and Heidi's entire house burned down. Like, obviously that's so sad, but they got out, their kids, like, they're okay. I feel like it also really highlights, like, the discrepancy between, like, rich and poor in L.A., because, like, literally these celebrities are out, like, with their helicopters just, like, jetting out. Yeah, going to their other house. And then, like, literally people who are in the hospital running on foot. Like, it makes me, abandoning cars on the highway, like, it makes me so sad, like, the discrepancy between, like,

What just people, what people live like in that area. I mean everywhere, but in LA specifically with all the celebrities, it gives me such a pick. And what their options are. Also for like older people. I know. Just, it's really, really sad. Biblical is like a good way to describe it because it's like,

Such a crazy scale and it's not being extinguished at the moment like it's raging it's I don't know advancing will go on for so really yeah I agree thinking of them today and even as we talk as we will talk about celebrities later in the show like that's kind of the big thing going on with celebrities a lot of them evacuating their homes.

And it's just a really terrible thing. It really is. And just like firefighters are the most brave people in the entire world. And I'm just praying for them and their families and like, may this end swiftly. Yeah. Agreed. Although it doesn't appear to be the case. So just wanted to like, it feels like to open your phone and like, that's all I'm seeing that this feels so trivial. So I just wanted to like acknowledge that. Yeah. Stay safe. Seriously. And evacuate. Like if you're being told to evacuate, it's for a reason.

Right. So important to listen to evacuation policy. Yeah. So not the mayor of LA being like out of town. Yikes. Yikes. Yeah. I'm just feeling like actually recently like targeting a lot of mayors, you know, that's like kind of my thing.

I feel like sometimes people act like politics, it's too big to understand. You know, they can't actually change things on the ground. Like, people act like that. But when it comes to, like, mayors, it's like, no, you did that shit. Like, you did or did not do that. That happens a lot in New York. Like, direct. Right. But that's also the New York culture is to, like, whenever there's any inconvenience in your life, great or small, like, it is always the mayor's fault. And I love that, like, as a community, we are always collectively, like,

just blaming the mayor but like it is a thousand percent you know and it's like everyone no matter what you do for a living all walks of life socioeconomic backgrounds even the greatest of mayors like hate you know no but i feel like then when you're a good mayor like if you could be a good mayor i don't know why it's so hard for some people like it seems pretty common sense some of the policies let me tell you something i don't know i guess because i guess they have a hard time would you say like was the last good mayor of new york who like everybody agrees was good

Oh, well, I mean, I think a lot of people think that Bloomberg was a good mayor, but like Giuliani was a great mayor. Well, no, that was like a different time. But I think like Bloomberg, like everybody like now was like- It was the 2000s. Yeah, it was the 80s. But with Bloomberg, like everybody now would like respects Bloomberg. His legacy is like pretty intact. Let me tell you at the time, every cab driver- He was the worst mayor. Every bodega owner under there was fucking Bloomberg. Like it's just a part of culture here. It's kind of really a beautiful bipartisan thing we all do that we hate the mayor. Yeah.

Well, he was like a good mayor compared to what came next. But like at the time, like he was doing those little Times Square seats. No, let's not forget. Bloomberg was the one who like wanted to ban the big sodas. What are you doing? And he wanted to take salt off the tables. Like bruv. Get a job. Get a job. Bruv. There's bigger things. Yeah, it's so true. And like salt, you see what they say about salt now. Like salt is good for you. Can we talk about salt briefly? Yeah. It's so good. Like I...

It's so crazy how you can make a recipe, use thousands of ingredients and you taste it and it's like- You need salt. You just need salt. Yeah. And I feel that like seasoning, and this is like a big, it's also kind of, it happens a lot on social media and it's like very racial where like white people don't like seasoning and like different cultures are more- It's cultural. It is. It is. And I just want to say like as a Jewish white person and, you know, obviously I'm not a cook or anything, like I think a lot of the times-

Salt is sufficient. Honestly. Salt is enough. It's enough. I agree. And salt is like, you know, used to be the oil. It's natural. It's from the earth. No, but at one point was the biggest commodity before refrigerators. How did you keep food? Salt. Is that true? Yeah. It's like a preservative.

Okay, love that. It's giving natural. It could preserve. Yeah, no, it's just, salt is rooted in history. And I feel like now it's got- Cholesterol. Found its way on a list of things that we're not doing. But now it's coming back. It's in for 2025, I think. Oh, I love that. I love that. It was out for the last 20 years. Yeah. And you know what else I'm seeing is in based on my algorithm? What?

- Cholesterol is in. - Cholesterol is in. - Have you heard that? Cholesterol is good for you. They said one day it was bad for you, but like cholesterol is what like protects your brain, feeds your brain. - I have always been ahead of the trends and genetically, like we all actually suffer from high cholesterol. Our father died of a heart attack. So I don't know how like him dying of a heart attack helps the argument for cholesterol, but whatever. It's a fluke. It's kind of makes sense that I would be so ahead of the trend.

And I'm just saying like, this is what I've been seeing. And I actually don't seek it out. These are like the things that come up in my algorithm that I don't follow. And they're saying cholesterol is good for you. And I'm just repeating that and letting you know, like, I just saw it in a reel. Right, like she doesn't have any like. Like maybe that's not true, but I'm just letting you know. There's a rumor going round. That's what's swirling. Okay, speaking of what's swirling, literally.

I had a pelvic exam yesterday. My coccyx is not solved. It's not healed. I have learned that I sit incorrectly, whatever. I'm going to physical therapy. - Oh right, Claudia told me how we're supposed to sit. - I just wanna say, I was trying to explain to the doctor. She was like, "Can you sit this way at work?" And you hate to be obnoxious, being like, I'm actually being viewed by millions of people. So I was like, not really. A lot of my work is like on camera. She was like, "Oh, okay." But this is, if you're watching on YouTube, this is how she told me to sit. So if you ever see me sitting like this, just know I'm trying to survive, okay?

Spread them. I'm not sitting like this. So for those listening, spread them. She said you really are supposed to, all human beings, not just pregnant, you are really supposed to be off your ass when you sit. All of your weight is supposed to be on the bottom of your thighs. And you're supposed to be leaning forward and engaging your core. But most human beings tend to pull back and relax because of that core muscle. Like who wants to be engaging their muscle while they're just trying to sit?

Your doctor would hate these chairs because they slope back. They're actually pushing us backwards. And maybe your coccidinia has ramped up since we've had these chairs because they're forcing us to sit even worse. And like any chair, it would be a struggle to sit the way that is proper. But this is making it worse 100%. So she prescribed me, well, not prescribed, referred me to a physical therapist. I'm going to do pelvic floor therapy, whatever. Are you going to take your pants off? Okay. So the lady before the doctor came in was like, take your pants off.

and put this gown on. I was like, oh, okay. But it's my vagina, like I'm pregnant. So I was like, I needed to be really specific. I'm like underwear as well? No, thank God I asked. Like people really need to be more specific. - We need to ask more questions. - We need to ask. And I, unfortunately it's a lesson you have to learn the hard way 'cause you have to embarrass yourself once before every time you go to a doctor, a spa, anything, you say, what exactly am I taking? I literally was like socks? Question mark. I needed to know everything. But whatever, towards the end she wanted to feel my pelvic muscles.

And did I tell you this? You told me, but you haven't told the world. Have you ever had your pelvic muscles checked? I don't know. I can't distinguish. Indistinguishable. As a woman in my second trimester, like I'm not really that uncomfortable anymore with like certain things going on my vagina. Speculum, a probe, like it is what it is.

This pelvic exam was different. It was quite intimate. I literally got fingered. Like it was so crazy. Like she put a latex glove on. And by the way, like she did everything up to code book. She was asking, are you comfortable? Like I'm not, I'm not making an accusation. It's just what it is. It entails. She put on a latex glove and then the nurse lubricated just one finger.

And she literally had to feel all the muscles like in your vagina, like up, down, left, right, northwest, south, like everything. Like, oh, like completely circular. Because there's like eight different muscles on all the different walls of your vagina. And it was just like so intimate, you know? And I have now gotten used to like foreign objects up there, medical devices. But a hand, that's- As you say, foreign, not intimate. Right. A hand is just kind of like-

- Husband's zone. - What's next, a penis? - What's next, a penis, exactly. So I have to say, she made me feel very comfortable. She's like A plus all around, like for the, I just, I didn't know that there was any part of pregnancy that like you literally get fingered. - Yeah, well, you know who's a really big pelvic floor advocate? - Let me ask you one more question. Lauren Elizabeth. - Yes, she is. - I was thinking about her yesterday. - Reach out to your local influencer. - When they check your cervix dilated, hand, what do they use?

- Hand. - Okay, so I'm getting ready. - Yeah, hand. Yeah, so you got answers, but they're not solutions that you can implement until you're done being pregnant. - No, she was like, listen, all these things I'm gonna give you might help. When you're done being pregnant, there's a whole host of things you can do. This problem will be solved, and I should have taken care of it before I got pregnant.

But in the meantime, I'm starting physical therapy. She said it actually might really help or not at all. But even if it doesn't help at all, pelvic floor therapy is really good to do before labor. So it's fine. Well, I'm glad that you are finding answers. Oh, and then I tripped like leaving the fucking doctor's office. Like as I was waving goodbye, I was like, thank you so much. And I tripped. She was like, oh, be careful. And like, I wanted to die. Like I just, I was wearing this stupid big platform Uggs.

What are you doing? I don't know. Like, I'm wearing them today. Oh, my God. I really need to stop. And Uggs are not snowshoes. It ain't snowing. I thought you said it was snowing in New York. Like, three days ago for, like, a couple of hours. It didn't even stick. But it's not, like, snow on the ground? It didn't stick. Oh, okay. Because my snow song obviously didn't work. Damn. I'm sorry. No, I have my moon boots for when it snows. So this is just, like, chilly. You know, it's 25 degrees today. Feels like 8.

It's very cold here as well too. I'm loving it. - It's very cold here as well. - Like I have to, I can wear any coat I want, any coat. Can you believe? - Do you even have like a coat closet in your house 'cause you live in Florida? - Yeah, I do, I do. And when I get to, across from the supplies closet, like next to the guest room, you probably never even saw it. We also keep luggage in there. - Supplies closet. - Oh, oh, oh, I know, like by the guest bathroom.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. There's two closets facing each other. Cool, cool. That's like a nice thing about moving out of a cold weather area. Like how much...

square footage I dedicate to like big puffer jackets. I could, I could build a whole other closet if I wanted to. I should probably sell them, but I can't, I love them so much. And for the one day or like the one time you go to Utah or when I come to New York, like I want my pick of the litter. Um, my neighbor though, she got rid of all of her coats. So I, I offered if she wanted to borrow one. Yeah. That's definitely like a tough spot to be in. Cause you grew up in New York. You've been collecting coats your whole life and coats are expensive.

Yeah, I love them and it's not posing an issue right now. So it's a problem for another day. Did you watch The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills last night? I did. I watched the last two episodes and I enjoyed myself. So did I. I actually have a lot of thoughts, even though like not much happened. Just want to just say this to one Sutton Strack, excuse me, one Camille Grammer. Like I don't remember a time in history where somebody has been a bigger loser on TV than Camille Grammer was at that party.

No, it was really odd. And I also want to say the second to last episode that came out a few weeks ago, I sat down to watch it like three separate times and I couldn't even make it through 30 seconds without just like getting distracted and moving on. Cause they start with Jennifer Tilly in every episode. Like, I don't know why I don't even know this person. The Jennifer Tilly agenda. I don't know. Like I don't mind her in the context of the show, but like opening with a Jennifer Tilly scene, I didn't realize Kyle was coming to her house until I made it through the full minute last night. But yeah,

Like starting with her and her dolls and her. I completely agree. Faux Butler. I just like literally couldn't even make it through. And every time like somebody asks her about something, whether it's like a material item, she always has to say how much it is. She's literally Dana 25,000. Like when she was, Oh, what a cute dress. She's got this stuff to back it up. Yeah, of course. But like, it's so obnoxious. Like when the Chucky doll was wearing a Gucci dress, a Gucci custom made John Galeano, like shut up.

- If that was my friend, like that is the most annoying trait in a friend. Like just name droppery, like one uppery. - Yeah, and is she gonna show us the house that she lives in or just this other house for her doll? - And I'm glad she addressed that because like she's so wealthy, everything she has is custom and she was like in this little bungalow. I'm like, it's not adding up even though it is in Bel Air. But her addressing that this was like her entertaining house and then like her dwelling for like lodging is down the road. I appreciated that. - So crazy.

- So yes, we'll recap Beverly Hills at the end. We actually have a lot of really good stories that we need to discuss. I feel like you're gonna be like, oh yeah, oh yeah, for everything. - Okay, great. Well, Kaya. - Kaya. - That's really crazy, like we need to discuss. - Yeah, so let's get into it without further ado-do-do-do-do. Here are the Fast Five Stories that you-da-do need to know. - And the Fast Five Stories that you need to know are brought to you by Vivrel. It is the first of its kind luxury accessories,

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Our first story, I actually forgot about this story until you just mentioned it and I had to bump something. That's how many like premium stories there are today. I know. Austin Butler and Kaya Gerber are splitsville, no longer dating. TMZ has learned that Austin and Kaya have kicked off the new year with a new relationship status. Single sources told TMZ that the couple ended their romantic relationship.

around the end of the year, which explains why he wasn't on Kaya's family trip to Mexico for the new year, even though like he would usually go and the brother bought his girlfriend. Yeah, of course he wouldn't miss it for the world. TMZ says there's no blood between the couple, just relationship ran its course after three good years together. Yeah, I believe that. I don't think either one of them cheated and I'm not like...

I'm desperately surprised by this or I'm definitely not upset. I think like the future holds great things for Kaya Gerber. And I do actually think that this relationship was starting to hold her back. Like at the height of Elvis, it was all good. Right? Yeah. Yeah. She was dating Jacob Elordi and then she hopped over to Austin and they fell in love and he was having this moment and it was great. Um,

But, and we've spoken about this at length. I'm not going to, you know, wax on about why I dislike Austin Butler just from like a personality perspective. He's never done anything to personally offend me. But I think that now he's like annoying. I think it's kind of like a little bit, this is going to sound mean. I feel like it's like a little bit of a joke.

Everybody's just always making fun of like his voice and Elvis. I don't know. I feel as though he like squandered a little bit like that moment. He could have gone. Even though people said that he was in Dune 2. Yeah, he was. I didn't see him at the Golden Globes table. Yeah, I'm just saying he didn't pop off in the way that you would have expected somebody to after that type of moment.

moment with Elvis. So I feel that now Kaya Gerber can go on to do bigger and better things. And as like one of the world's leading models and Nepo babies, who you date is a huge part of your career. It is. It's fascinating to me. And I'm happy to lay this to rest. I agree. I feel like-

Just like we were talking about Zendaya and Tom and a little bit Kylie and Timothy. At three years, you're either marrying this person or you're breaking up with them. Same for our next story, which is Paige and Craig, which we'll get to. But yeah, when you're a certain age, if you don't see a future with this person, even though we're having fun and I like you, it's a breakup because you've got to move on with your life. And I remember the last time we were talking about Austin Butler. He was cast. Remember, we just were talking about that as a story. He was cast as...

Someone. Oh, psychopath. Yeah. Patrick Bateman. American Psycho. Patrick, yeah. But it's like Christian Bale. Bates. Patrick Bates, formerly played by Christian Bale. Whatever, like a serial killer energy. Mm-hmm.

And she doesn't want to be around for the method acting. Well, not only that, but I had referred to her as his fiance. Like I did actually think that they were engaged. So they did reach this inflection point where like, if you're not growing together, you're growing apart. And so this is actually not surprising to me at all. Yeah. And I'm happy about it. Sorry. And you know who else is happy about it? Even though I know she's like too busy being happy. Olivia Jane. No. Vanessa. Vanessa. Don't forget the Ann Hudgens. Like.

That, to me, is one of the greatest injustices in Hollywood. And I know she's moved on. She's literally married with a baby. I know she's, like, genuinely happy. But what was done to her? You can be happy while also, like, being happy when the people who have wronged you fail. It doesn't mean you're not healed. That doesn't make you a not a happy person. It's true. It doesn't mean you haven't moved on if you're, like, happy that the person who wronged you is now being wronged. Sorry. Like, that's just...

That's life I don't believe in like Happiness to everyone I'm healed No bitch no So I hope she's having a good day Yeah

Are you ready for our next story, which is some more Splitsville news? Because Craig Conover has spoken out about his split from Paige and he is revealing more details, which is that she broke up with him. And previously they didn't tell us who broke up with who. I assumed that he broke up with her. I felt like it was kind of mutual. I don't know why I had this idea in my head that they like were like, if we're not engaged by the end of the year, then we're going to break up because like it's three years now. The way I had envisioned it was like mutual, but like definitely Paige's

not wanting to progress. Like him basically being like, listen, I am at this point in my life. I want to get married and have kids and I want to do it with you. Her being like, I'm not there yet. And so them both being like, well, we're at a standstill. So I was surprised. I feel like he was waiting for her and I had thought that he got to a point where he couldn't wait any longer. I really thought it was like,

him because she would have kept doing what they were doing but no he didn't like give an ultimatum it seems like or anything and then she broke up with him after Thanksgiving before the holidays he said in his video that he was shocked it was a bit shocking right before the holidays I was very shocked

He said, it's okay. It takes two people to be in a relationship. You can't control other people. You can only control how you react to it. And so he said, remember to be kind to Paige and me and yourselves and all of that good stuff. I'm still processing everything, which is normal. Three-year relationship. It's your best friend who you talk to all day, every day. And then they're just gone. No, let me tell you. There's so much subtext here, don't you find? Yes, yes, definitely. I also, I've never been through like a breakup.

And Paige and Craig feel like, they just kind of reminded me a lot of me and Ben, just like personality wise, like really nice guy, like girls, like funny and like bitchy and like, you know, strong personality. I mean, bitchy in a good way. Not me comparing myself to Paige. Yeah.

And the video made me so sad. Like, yeah, that is literally like your life partner. You like, they literally live together in multiple states, but they, it made me so sad. I've never experienced a breakup in the way he was just talking about it. I was like, damn, that sucks. No. And he's like sitting in front of the house that he built for Paige, like waiting for her to come home on this season of Southern charm. He says it multiple times to the point of like, are they airing? Are they, are they,

playing the same soundbite over and over again. So he keeps saying the same thing where he says like, I built this oasis for Paige and I, an oasis away from the world. And now he's like there alone in the backyard is like Mayfair. I think she helped like decorate it. It was their idea of an oasis. And now 50% of the,

the person is gone. And Paige had also spoken briefly on her podcast about the fallout from the breakup and just how like there's so many rumors about her. Nothing really bothers her. But the one thing she wanted to address is like people saying that she was like dating Marcello from SNL and cheated on Craig with him. And she's like, that's just not true. And I actually had to text Marcello because I felt so weird. Like she's like, I've never, I had only texted him once before in my life. Like I actually felt so weird. But you like want to apologize when like all this drama, he's like, I don't even know. She said like, he might have a girlfriend. Like I feel weird. Right.

- Yeah. - So rumor cleared. What was that, Duvall? - I didn't think that for one second. I didn't even think that they knew each other. I'm sorry she even had his number. That's more than I would have guessed. - Well, it sounded like not out of the realm of possibility for him because he's friends with Hannah.

Oh, okay. So that's how. So that's like the connection. I don't think she cheated on Craig. Of course she didn't. Not with him. She also said, which I also found there was some subtext. She said, and no one defend, no one in the situation defended me, which I thought was interesting. So I think she's trying to say like Craig should have said something. Yeah. I think that like now, not that it's getting contentious at all.

No, but I think this Craig video... I think Paige and her fans are perceiving this video as like trying to make Paige into the villain, like throwing her under the bus a little bit. And everyone's like, he's saying he was blindsided. But were you just blind? And then Craig and his fans being like, Craig is a victim. Like, look at him, sweet little man in his oasis. Another thing about, and I don't watch Southern Charm, but I know, especially when Craig came on the podcast and talked to us about how like he's really...

past a lot of his castmates just in terms of maturity and growth. And a lot of that had to do with being in a happy relationship and thinking about the future. And it pains me to like think about how he's kind of was in such a different place than so many of his like male friends from the show. And like, not that he's left them behind, but he's sort of carved out a new life for himself. And now like he's in that life alone. Like he's, is he going to have to like crawl back to Austin and be like, let's go out? Well, Austin and

- I think that even him, like they have their disagreements, but they're always connected. They do a podcast together. You can't do that with someone that like you're not friends with. And I think even though now his like day to day might look a little different, like I think he knows what he wants his life to look like. I don't think it will be a long time before he finds the person that wants the same things as him. Austin is in a serious relationship now though. - Okay wait, but you had said a couple of days ago that you wouldn't be surprised

if like a couple of months go by and these two realize that like it wasn't the right choice, yada, yada. Cause that's when we thought it was like amicable and mutual. I don't feel that way anymore. No, no, but the thing is like, it was amicable and mutual. And I just don't feel like, I just don't feel that way anymore. I thought it was because like they had given themselves this timer and if they hadn't made a decision, like they knew it was best to move on. But I think it's more like what you said, where it was like,

It's not the person. Maybe it's very close to being her person, but it's not the life that she wants. Like that's not going to change. Yeah. And now I do feel like the small things that they're saying, and I guess maybe it just goes to show there's no right way. There's no way to tell what happened without her.

pissing the other person off a little bit because like both of them have been so respectful in everything that they've said and I could still see how the other one would be missed by it. Yes, yes. But that's just right. Even the best of breakups are impossible. And then of course, when you see that person like with the next person, that's where it gets. Yeah, that's why I don't like to speculate on who they would be with next. You know, Craig and Kaya and Paige and Austin Butler. Craig and Kaya, Paige and Austin. I do see it.

I see both. I don't even know which one I see more.

- Austin, like Paige needs a guy like Austin and Craig needs a girl like Kaya. - And Kaya kind of needs a guy like Craig. She's kind of a homebody. She's kind of a nerd. - Very like family first, very Hamish salt of the earth energy. Even though I've literally never met her. - Bookish, she likes to read. - She read a book once, yeah. - And I think Austin, I mean, Austin would love Paige. And like she looks like his type. - She looks like Kaya. - Yeah, she looks like Vanessa.

She looks like Vanessa. And I think Paige would love Hollywood. I think Hollywood would love Paige. I agree. What if we just did, what if we just swapped? White swap. Yeah. But you know, it does feel like a third big celebrity breakup is going to come at us. Like these things happen in threes. Okay. So then maybe we could add more names to the mix. Let's cross our fingers. Who do we hope is next? Who's dating? Selena and Benny. No, I like, I like them together. Okay. Okay.

Sound off in the comments. Who do you want to break up next? Or no, who do you think will break up next? Whether you want them to or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, how are you

for our next story, which is some tea. More fallout from the Brianna Grace chicken fry. Zach Bryan, like, just kicked the hornet's nest. Oh, wait, Zach Bryan? No, like, this is what's made everything unfold the way that it has. Like, he kicked the hornet's nest and now, like... Oh, yeah, he didn't even know what he was doing when he broke up with Brianna's chicken fry. Oh, my God, because the thing is...

Like this most recent update. Now it's not even about him. No, this most recent update though is part of that story because it all happened. Yep. Because of Zach Brown. Catalyst is the word you're looking for. Yeah. That's why I say he kicked the hornet's nest. I understand. Yes. I watched this whole video. Cause you know how much money other podcasters make is my favorite subject in the world. Agreed. She screen shared with me on FaceTime so I could see it. I was like, Jackie, you have to watch this TikTok. I tried to download and send it to you, but Dave Portnoy's video was too long. Um,

Okay, so read the story. Okay, so Dave Portnoy is setting the record straight on Grace O'Malley's exit from Barstool Sports. So a couple things happened in the last few weeks. Grace left Barstool. She left the podcast. We talked about that on the show. Broke it down on, no, it was on Patreon. Oh, okay. No, first her leaving, Pam Bree being over was on this show. Then on Patreon, um...

She left Barstool and she's actually doing a new podcast with Unwell, which is Alex Cooper's network. So that was just interesting. And she's going in on her own. No more Barstool for Paige, for Grace. And then she went on Theo Vaughn's podcast this week and she's talking about a lot of things. But among them, she was talking about how much she got paid at Barstool. And so funny because the clips that I had seen going around were her talking about Brianna. I didn't even see like...

actually any of the clips of her talking about how much she got paid at Barstool. And I actually thought her speaking about Brianna was really like, it was respectful. Like it felt like, like perhaps these two could come back. It wasn't like a knockdown drag out. She really didn't say anything bad. The whole thing was just like kind of had a sad undertone to it. So I was like, oh, okay. I didn't even see the Barstool stuff until Dave posted this video. Cause he was mad about some of the things Grace had said regarding her compensation package at Barstool.

Yes. Wait, I have it. I just want to pull the quote of what she said because she said he was talking, she was talking about like her time at Barstool. Theo, she said that she made a salary. She didn't like just actually from the show. She said she like made no money from her podcast. And then she,

Theo pushed her and was like, well, you made like an annual salary. Well, you made like an annual, you had an annual contract. And she was like, oh yeah, I had a salary. So it first made it sound like she was doing the work for free. Right. And then he says, was it a good salary? She says it was decent. My buddy was making a little bit more, a lot bit more, a whole shit ton more. And that's Brie. She's saying Brie was making a lot more than her. So Dave broke it down because that's like one thing. I guess this is like one of his pet peeves. There is like a.

- Kind of a stereotype that like they don't pay their talent very well and that if you work at Barstool, like you're taking a pay cut from if you were doing it anywhere else, like for yourself.

Yeah, because at Barstool, unlike other networks, at Barstool, if you do a podcast with them, it seems as though you get paid a salary, regardless of how big or small your podcast is, which is good for smaller creators because they're going to get paid even if their show is making no money. And then bigger people like famously Call Her Daddy might not make, well, don't make as much as they would if it was, if they own their show, but they're getting the benefits of Barstool marketing, promotion, advertising sales. It's a really interesting setup they have and not a lot of...

I actually don't know anyone else, any other media company that does it that way. They salary all their talent, which almost no talent makes a salary. And they also help facilitate brand deals for the talent on their social media, sponsorships at like different shows and stuff. And then they have like a rev share. So he had shared that Grace was getting 70% of her social media. I'm sure the bigger you are, the better contract you have, you can get 80, 90, but 70 is actually like a- 70 is pretty good.

is pretty industry standard. It is. And also, the bigger you are, the more money that you are making. And so the more money you are earning, the 70% is just of a bigger pie. But anyways, he just said flat out, we paid Grace $175,000 a year to do the podcast. And then she also made 70% of anything we could sell her on. So social media and roughly made an extra 75, 75 that way for a net total of like $250,000 in the last year, which is

- Is a lot of money. - It is, and I think that people, I've seen like, you know, when I was reading the comments, it's like, oh my God, that's so much money. And then people being like quarter of a million for an influencer.

I think that a lot of people like see Grace now as she's nationally recognized, right? She's on Theo Vaughn, like one of the biggest podcasts at the time. And this is what we were saying on Patreon. That was so interesting. We're talking about Plan Brie, Plan Brie, Plan Brie, that podcast, like it's Call Her Daddy, right? It's really important to note at the time, it's a relatively small show. It's not unsuccessful. You can look at their numbers on YouTube, which are, which I believe is their strongest platform. It wasn't like a gangbusters, you know, million downloads per episode. It's a kind of,

I want to say it's an average size podcast. So at the time, now seeing Grace, oh my God, making $250,000 a year, she's a bigger star than that. At the time, the work that you were doing and you get paid for like your output, which is PlanBree, it was kind of a small successful show, but small. 250 salary, like, and you know, no matter how bad or good the show does. 175 salary for the show. Yeah, sorry. That's actually very good. If you were doing that podcast of that size at like another network where you just earn, you keep everything you earn.

I don't know their numbers, but based on what I think that they are, like you would be making less than that. I agree. I was running some rough numbers and for like a standard strong podcast, but not, you know, top 100, not top 200 maybe. Yeah. Like let's say they took Plan Brie to podcast one. They got a good deal. They did it. Had somebody selling ads for them. You, you get a rev share. You keep like most of your revenue and they're splitting it.

No way. But they're also what Dave was saying. Yeah. Her buddy Brie was making more because when Brie came to Barstool, she already had a lot of followers. She was an influencer. She was doing her show already. So she had a higher salary as Brie told us, like she brought grace into Barstool kind of like on the, on the bottom floor of working your way up. So this is kind of her entry salary to be not 50%. The show's called plan Brie. Like she's not even 50% of the show. So it's actually like really a good, uh,

generous deal. I was surprised. Dave said, and then there's opportunity to make more money by selling your social media. And then Dave also said, typically barstool talent can't do outside projects because they want to like commission it and sell it. Yeah. But she like went and started doing other things. And I think like stand up comedy. Yeah. Dave looked the other way. Cause typically like that's not done, but I think he just like, I think he's actually really generous with people, even though they have a contract, like

He just like kind of lets them break their contract a little bit. Like he's not going to fight every battle. He's not going to like squeeze out every penny from someone. So he was also giving her like leeway to make more over here. And I feel like he feels like he was really generous with her. So for her to say that is just untrue. And I also, it just really also harks back to call her daddy for me because at the time when color daddy went down, they were making half a million dollars, $500,000 each. Well, that was the offer.

Right. Remember their contracts? They were nobodies. They signed to Barstool for three years and it was $65,000 a year. Right. But then they made more, they had points on merch and they wound up taking home like a bigger salary than that. But that was so insane because they were literally top five podcasts. They beat Joe Rogan every week. All categories, all time. Like,

That they didn't get a huge increase to keep them happy for what they were doing. Like bigger, the biggest podcast at Barstool. It's true. Like Plan B was not that. It was just like a good podcast at Barstool. It was a mid-tier successful show. I feel, so I feel like what she got paid was very commiserate with the work and not-

a low offer whatsoever. No, I agree. And like you, you have to think about when you're an influencer and you decide to go to Barstool, you're, you have to think about what you're getting from that, which is like a million eyeballs who never would have heard of you. But you're also giving up for sure different opportunities of being like a freelance influencer, going to whatever events you want to be any brand deals you want. Like, and so there is a little bit of a push pull trade off. Yeah. And so I had thought that like you get a

When Dave made that video, I was like, oh damn, I wonder what he's going to say. Cause it's probably like 50, $60,000 a year. Cause I knew what the caller daddy girls had gotten. And I was shocked when he said 175, it's much more than I had thought, especially just that salary was to do the podcast. Right. And so you know what a podcast that size can earn.

The only thing he didn't respond to, which I'm just curious, she said that she didn't make any money from the tour. They did their Plan B tour. He didn't even talk about it. But like who earned those ticket sales? That all went to Barstool? That goes to Barstool. But then he had said that one of Barstool's things they do is they sell sponsorships for live shows. So there was probably, I think it was like Pirate Water, like that something that sponsored their tour. I don't know why Grace wouldn't get a piece of that.

Yeah. If she's the one like actively traveling and doing the work too. Yeah. But also when you're salaried, whether you work more or work less. So like, here's the thing she's doing tour, she's working more, but she's making the same salary. But the last few months of 2024, they weren't doing episodes of plan B and she's still making the salary. So that's like the trade-off of being salaried is you get paid when you're doing more work or less work. That's true actually. And you also just think about like all the barstool shows that do live podcasts. A lot of them do chicks in the office. Like those shows,

The talent, the hosts don't get the ticket sales. That's you work for a big company. Yeah. I was thinking that maybe Brianna was getting the ticket sales. No, nobody was. They both were getting salaried and working for their company. And I'm sure also everyone has different contracts. I imagine other pod, like. Right. Well, that was the other thing towards I would be shocked. Chicks in the office have been there for so long. They definitely have an amazing contract. Like they seem really happy. They seem really happy. But they like, they were, you know, small potatoes at one point too. And they've worked, work hard. And they're the biggest female show at that.

I'd love to hear from them on this. I feel like they stay out of drama. Like I feel like they do really well. And that's been like huge to their benefit. Like there's so much Barstool drama. They never get involved. They show up every day and they do their jobs. No, they get involved sometimes. I feel like they spoke on like call her daddy stuff, but like there, I would love to hear how it went for them. Cause I feel like when they started their show and they were like interns, they probably weren't making a lot of money, but their show like grew and they probably been growing with it. And I,

And I think it would be like a good, just testament of the barstool model. Yeah. Well, wait, there was one more thing I wanted to say. Oh, I did feel, um, now when we look at Grace and Brianna, like they're equals, right. In terms of fame, success, followers, engagement, like they really are on equal playing fields. So for Grace to say on Theo Vaughn, like my buddy was making a lot more than me. That's like so fucked up. Right. Right.

And I'm glad that David addressed it. And it is kind of, it's misleading to say, because the implication is that we were doing equal work and we were of equal stature and equal size and equal followership and getting paid differently, which is inherently wrong. It's morally bankrupt to do. But that's not the case. It is now. But at the time when she was brought on, she was, I hate this word, but like before things went sour, she was very much like,

- Brianna's like sidekick, right? - Yeah. - I hate that word. It's like, it's so derogatory. I'm sorry, that's not what I meant. I mean like- - But there are so many podcasts that have- - Support, support, support. - There are so many podcasts that have a host and then like, it's like Howard Stern and Robin. - Yeah. - Does she make the same as Howard Stern? - No, but they do. They have like the same amount of airtime. - They're on the same, but it's like, it's a Howard Stern show. - Exactly. - It's 10-3. - It's support. - I would be shocked if Howard Stern and Robin made the same amount. Maybe they do. That would be shocking.

like this saga, I feel like this is exactly- - Like Nick Vile has like five cast of characters on a show. Do they make the same as Nick Vile? - Vile Files? - No. - I feel like this is exactly what happened with "Call Her Daddy." Every time we were like reporting on it, we were getting further and further away from the potential of these two- - Reuniting. - Reuniting. And this is technically between Grace and Dave. So maybe it doesn't impact the Brianna of it all, but Dave like really does a lot of the time speak on behalf of Brianna.

And so I do feel we're getting further and further away. Oh, we're so, no, something happened. I remember we said like on the show, if nothing more happens, like they'll be fine. But then something else happened. They're not coming back together. I actually started listening to Grace on Theo Vaughn this morning. I didn't get to any of this stuff, but I think she's just completely moved on. She took her show off of Barstool. She's joined a new network. But what was surprising about that is I felt like every time they talked about the situation on BFF's pod, like Dave spoke really well of Grace.

Grace and like was holding space for both of them working at the company and it being fine. So for her to like leave and do that and now say this, like now the blood is bad. Yeah. Between Dave and her, like Brianna and her were always whatever, but you're right. And Dave actually said in his video that he was like pissed about what he saw on Theo Vaughn and he texted Grace. I wish he told us,

how that conversation went, but he confronted her like directly. Also what Dave said, which I thought was also interesting is that Grace was then supposed to do her own show at Barstool after Plan Break. And this was going to be the pay structure. They had a role for her.

She was going to make $175,000 a year from her show. When Barcelona earned that exact money back from her show, she would get a cut of all revenue going forward 50-50, which it's like, then she's operating like with no risk, only reward. Yeah, you don't have to pay for production. As a podcaster, like everything, social clips,

audio editing, studio rentals, that's all on you. And that's one of the benefits of working at Barstool is like you have access to the best tech in the world and you don't have to spend a dollar. Like, so-

it's like we were saying, it's push, pull, risk, reward. Like, yeah, you're giving up opportunities to do X, Y, and Z, but you don't have to take on the financial risk that is launching your own show. And so- But it seemed like for Grace, she wasn't even missing out on opportunities because she was doing the stuff that she wanted to do and nobody said anything. Right, Dave was like, we let her do her stand up without like, you know, intervening. I feel like what I took away from this saga, because I definitely was the type of person who thought like Barstool paid their employees like actual pennies on the dollar, like-

That my takeaway is that Barstool, not only salaries, but also like their pay structure. I didn't even know you could get a cut of your show once you earn back your salary. I feel like it's not such a bad deal. I thought, I always thought like if you went to Barstool, like you were giving up so much. You're literally not. No. And you're gaining so much. And I guess until like-

because we do it on our own and we like do all the numbers work. No, and we, we know what it entails and like the things that they benefit from just like the network, the distribution, ad sales, video editing, a million things until you like know what all of that is. You don't, I feel like you can't appreciate what Barstool does for people. No. And I feel like there are some people who had shows at Barstool and then went on to do it outside. And I don't, we can't include call her daddy in this conversation because

the level that it got to was, it was just as big as Barstool. So it kind of is like the exception to this conversation. But people who just have had shows at Barstool and then have decided to either leave or do them on their own, like it's, I think like a slap in the face when you leave and everything is your responsibility financially, but also like booking a studio, you know? It's kind of nice. Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like also at Barstow people like just like don't do the show for like a week or like something's like drama is happening but like you're still getting paid when you're not at a network like that like if you don't do a show you're not if you don't do a show you don't get paid it's true like you're that's actually so so much of this particular line of work which is fabulous I'm not complaining is a little bit unstable like you earn as much as you earn and that's it it's not like a you earn as much as you work yeah so to have like

the creative freedom to do podcasts and Instagram stories, but also have a salary to fall back on. And I imagine health insurance. That's kind of crazy. Should we work at Barstool? Like,

Don't even talk about the health insurance. Maternity leave? Also, I'm sure they have in their contracts, you can't do zero. They probably have episode minimums, but it just seems like someone's having a hard month. We're not doing a podcast this month. We're taking the month off. Actually, so true. Even with Call Her Daddy, they were protesting, and they just stopped doing episodes. Right. SELPA. Help us, remember? Right. Help us. I'm sorry. They were funny. That was a crazy time. That was one of the best times of my life, honestly. That was just...

seeing women in podcasting like take the world by storm and then we had something to talk about every day. Yeah. Obviously us with like, you know, our informed takes. Like that was just a crazy time. Yeah. So the wind up here, Grace is doing it out on her own now. I'm actually really curious. Well, she's been launched to a new level of stardom so it would be an unfair comparison but like what is she making now? Like with her

stand-up comedy tour, which is super successful, a show she's going to launch, and then just like being an influencer. But she's much more famous now because of the scandal. So it wouldn't be a fair comparison, like 2025 to 2024 earnings. Right. We'll see. Yeah. We shall see. Are you ready for our next story? Number four. Number four. Yeah. Okay. I have to go to the bathroom. Let me know when would be a good time to do that. Well, it's not really ever going to be a good time because you are one of our spokespeople today. I know. I know.

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She said that the fee will rise significantly, a well-placed source said, not her, sorry, if and when she comes back to host the Globes for the third year in the five-year deal the Globes has with CBS. Well, brilliant of her to use the momentum, all the positive feedback from this most recent event to cinch herself up.

not only another deal, but one that I'm sure is more. I didn't realize that they paid hosts. Honestly, I thought it was a gig you do like for, for the opportunity. Superbowl. Yeah. Um, but the Superbowl is sponsored. So actually I believe you do get paid like by Pepsi or Apple music.

Oh, interesting. Are you sure? I don't think the NFL pays you, but I think like if you're going to be out here promoting Pepsi, like, yeah. Oh, I just feel like there's not enough money. And like them, we're talking like 50, a hundred million. Also, I wanted to see what Joe Coy made because I had heard that she made less than him, which is so unfair. What? Yeah. Yeah.

You're fucking kidding me. That's so crazy because even though like he did a bad job and she did a good job, when they both booked this gig, Nikki Glaser was a bigger star than Jokoy. Like she's a bigger get. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not seeing how much exactly he got paid.

No, the NFL does not pay artists directly for performing at the Super Bowl halftime show. Instead, artists are paid on a union scale, which is a minimum wage guaranteed by a union contract like SAG-AFTRA. So contracts, you know, you have to get paid at least like $1,000 a day for it to be legal. The NFL does cover all the costs associated with the show, including production and travel expenses. However, artists can still profit from the halftime show in other ways, like increased album sales, streaming, et cetera. So you're right. There is no...

Got it. Got it. Well, so Nikki was on Howard Stern and she like kind of recapped her time at the Globes. And what she had said was there was, sorry, not Joe Coy then. This is what she said. I don't know why I just assumed it was him. She said there was a past host who said how much he got paid in his monologue and I got less than that, but that's okay. I'll get more next year, she said. She said, I feel well paid for what I do. I'm all right. Yeah, I agree. I thought it was going to be less than what I saw it was. So I'm like for a night's,

A night on the town, 400K, pretty good. I feel better. I feel better. Because if it was like Jimmy Kimmel who said when he got paid, for some reason, Hollywood has decided to make him an enormous star, even though I believe he's undeserving of that due to lack of talent. But if he had gotten, let's say, $750,000, okay, fine. Okay, so it was Gerard Carmichael who said at the 2023 Golden Globe set he was being paid $500,000. Oh, that's interesting. Because Gerard Carmichael is very funny, but he's really not...

taken off in the way that people thought he would when he got the Carmichael show. Like he's super talented, but in terms of like stardom, I would say Nikki is a much bigger star than he is. Yeah. I just feel like it's the job is the same amount of work for everyone. So like people should get paid the same. That's actually a really good point. Right. And then based on like your Q score afterwards, you should get a bonus. Like, did you suck? Oh yeah.

So while she will probably do it again next year, she'll definitely get a bonus. Well earned. I think that to negotiate herself a deal like three days after while people are still loving it and Golden Globes has confirmed like she is returning. I wouldn't be surprised if they offered her like $750. A million. Make it a million. She's worth it. A cool mil. She's going to continue to do like amazing things this year because she has like so much momentum and wind at her back. So...

And the thing about Nikki Glaser that's nice is like, I had like a gig I needed to book someone for. It's always a risk. Like, are they going to do a good job? Not with Nikki. Like even when I think she would consider herself like not having done the best job, like everybody would love it. She's just like, she's just good at what she does. Yeah. You know? But 4HK, okay, not bad. Even though it's a lot of work, like a lot of rehearsals, a lot of writing. Yes. Yeah. It's not just the night of, a lot of prep. It's not like a four hour gig. A lot of prep goes into it. Mm-hmm.

our fifth and final story. Oh, devastating. Bidding is such sweet sorrow, but we do still have the TV recap. So yes. Yes. Well, Scarlett Johansson will co-host NBC's Today with Jenna and Friends in January for one week. So as we move into the new year, Hoda is out. Jenna is looking for her replacement and she's having Jenna with friends and Scar Jo is guesting for a week, perhaps auditioning, probably not, but I wouldn't be surprised considering this is surprising. And

And this was just like adding fuel to the fire of a conspiracy theory that I saw on Twitter that Colin Jost and Scarlett Johansson are in debt. And honestly, when I was just talking about pop culture jeopardy and how weird Colin Jost's presence is,

Them being in debt, like actually makes a lot of sense. Like what are these gigs? These two are picking up. So like him being in debt makes sense. Her, no. So true. Like she's Transformers or Avengers. She's like Marvel. She's the face of a million brands. Yeah. I feel like his job doesn't pay as much as he wants it to pay. And I think he's got like, he's got lofty dreams of how he should be living, I think. Yeah. And maybe like marrying ScarJo wasn't enough.

- Yeah, or maybe she's just not like open with the purse strings like he thought she would be. - This is weird because like guest hosting the Today Show- - But that doesn't explain why she's doing this. - Yeah, guest hosting the Today Show obviously like is prestigious.

But it's kind of a terrible gig. It's super early. It's a lot of hours. It's a lot of research. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of criticism. And for a lot of people, it's like a stepping stone. You know, somebody who's on the rise. This is a huge opportunity. I wouldn't say it's a huge opportunity for Scarlett Johansson. It's an opportunity for the Today Show. The fact that she's committed to this. Yeah, it's interesting. Maybe it's just for a bit of fun or maybe she wants the stability of like a daily gig. Yeah.

- Or her and JBH are like friends as like New Yorkers and you're doing it as a favor to a friend. - Or she has like something big coming out and this will be like her week of press.

Oh, okay. Yeah, maybe, maybe. Just to be sat at the Today Show. That's not bad. Who else are we throwing like names in for? I feel like you have to think about who lives in New York. And so that's another thing. I think they're definitely limited. Someone would come, but like somebody who lives and can come by like on a dime. So here's who's co-hosting in this Jenna and Friends, but I don't know if that means it's an audition or just like we're having fun. Stopping by. Taraji P. Henson, Eva Longoria, Kiki Palmer. Now, of course, Kiki Palmer would be able to take the job. Kiki Palmer's in an audition.

Kiki Palmer's an audition and Kiki Palmer absolutely should get the job. She literally has done the job before. She was in like the 11th hour of GMA or whatever with Michael Strahan and Sarah, the other swirly. Give her the job. I feel about Kiki Palmer the way I feel about Nikki Glaser, like truly talented. Job well done. It's not for lack of opportunity. It's not for lack of talent. It's for lack of opportunity. The fact that she hasn't taken, you know, the world by storm. So, and it's not like a risky bet. Like, you know that she's going to do a good job. Yeah.

1,000%. What about Andy? Is he going to, I feel like he's just one of the people they just throw in when you need someone. Yeah. I feel like he has too much. I feel like you can't do Radio Andy and Watch What Happens Live. Like two daily shows and then a third. He like used to host all the time with Kelly Ripa when she was like. And I don't think he wants to wake up that early. Looking for a mate. Yeah, it's so true. Two young kids. If there was a job he was going to do, it would have been Kelly Ripa. That's the seat he would have filled. And he has late nights with Watch What Happens Live. You can't.

- Actually Watch What Happens Live is barely live ever anymore. - I feel like it was live last night. They did polls, so yeah, it was live. - Okay, so if they did polls, that's live, but I think they're operating at a once a week live.

- Yeah. - Because you can tell when the guest is like posting Instagram stories from like a couple of days before. - Yeah. - Or when they're actually at midnight still in Tribeca. Like you can tell also with the paparazzi pictures, they literally leave the studio in their outfit. It used to be every night there was like paparazzi and people would wait outside. People don't even wait outside anymore because it was filmed at like noon. - Yeah.

So, and that's nice for Andy. That's like a dad. Like, it's probably so nice to get home by five o'clock. I think he literally keeps nine to five hours. Yeah. So that would mean no to today's show. Yeah. Anyways. Also, actually, I think it's hard because a lot of the people that would do this, you know, out of the goodness of their heart as like a friend, like would do it for Hoda, like to do it with Hoda. She's the one who's like friends with everyone, I feel like. Yeah, but I'm sure over the years, Jenna has...

She has a circle for sure. Has a circle. And also it's the job a million girls would kill for. So whether or not you know the other girl so well, like I'm sad. We'll get to know each other. I think the Scarlett Johansson thing is so weird. Yeah. It's pretty random. It is like if I was Scarlett Johansson, you literally cannot pay me to wake up at 4 a.m. every day for a week for like a thankless job.

I think once she does it, maybe we'll see why she's doing it. Maybe she has, maybe she's like us. Maybe she saw morning show and like, this is the dream. And it's just like, you can live the dream for a week. I think the theory that you floated that like, she has a big project coming out that particular week is brilliant. That's probably what it is. Yeah. And it's like a project she's really passionate about. Not like some big movie that doesn't need her to be waking up at 4 a.m. Every day. Yeah. We shall see. That's the latest, but make a choice soon, Jenna. What story got the boot?

Twitch drama? I'm sorry. I can't believe you gave that story the boot. We have to talk about it. Okay. Pull it up. Pull it up.

I actually don't have a lot of thoughts. I'm curious what other people's thoughts are. I don't watch. I never was like into him on Ellen. I didn't watch So You Think You Can Dance. But this is a man and his wife who are like tons of fans on social media, from the dance community. And there's like a lot of lore here that I'm not personally a part of. But this is really crazy. So Steven, let me tell you the way I came to this story.

was I saw a tweet from Candace Dillard Bissett, former Real Housewife of Potomac, kind of coming for Allison being like, what are you doing airing this man's dirty drawers? She's like, I'm not going to say it, but, and then she said it.

I was like, oh, okay. And then I started seeing it everywhere. I'm like, oh, Candice Taylor Brissett was onto something. So I saw it from Liz Woods because Ben Platt's sister posted. And it took me a while to like orient myself with like who are these people. Sister-in-law. Ben Platt's brother's wife. Oh, that like just makes it a little less connected. But still, she's a Platt.

Yeah. Courtney Ann Platt. And so I just had to like orient myself to the story because I didn't really know Twitch. And he's also from Ellen too, which I'm not like an Ellen person. And so you think you can dance. And then a few years ago he passed away. There was like some mystery, like shrouding the circumstances, but also I'm sure as like a measure of protection, you know, it's very personal. Sort of, but what the public was told, and I believe this is the truth, is that he, you know, suffered with his mental health and took his own life. And yeah,

It was so shocking because him and his wife, but him in particular, like their whole thing was dance and music and love and joy. And it was just like so in Congress with the public facing persona that we knew. And I think a lot of people like took it really hard. He like, yeah, he was just kind of this light to a lot of people. And so it did oddly, you know, put a lot of attention on his wife. And they were like a couple of,

On social media together. They posted a lot, but he was the star. Yeah. So she is writing a memoir and she just started promoting it. It's called this far, my story of love loss and embracing the light. She sat down with people magazine and disclose that she, to talk about the memoir and she disclosed that she allegedly discovered a

cornucopia of drugs including mushrooms pills and other substances that she had to look up on her phone hidden in his closet so she's giving very like intimate personal details about his addiction and then that created like a wave of news stories everybody picking this up

Well, because there hasn't been a lot of details about his death. And now it's like, well, we're throwing addiction in the mix. And nobody knew that. Right. And these are very private details. I think even in the book, she's including excerpts from his journal. Like it's getting very personal, especially when...

I feel like people had a lot of questions when he passed, but have moved on because you recognize like people are going through and you respect and he has kids and she is now putting this all out there talking about the issues that he had and sharing like very intimate personal things. And so she did her sit down with people magazine and promotion of this memoir. And now people, including, um,

Courtney Ann Platt, who... Former friends of his, who... Former best friend of his. If you're in the dance community, you, like, know them. Also, his brother and his friend, they're all slamming now. Everyone's now coming out who was close to him, like, just slamming the wife, the widower. And sharing, like, little things about...

her and their situation since his passing that we might not have known um kind of how uh I believe it was the brother saying that you know what's her name Allison the wife yeah Allison is keeping Twitch's mom from from their kids her grandchildren like it's getting really the fact that so many public publicly known well-known people associated with Twitch family members former co-workers um are speaking out publicly because I think that if we had done this as a story we would say like

oh, that's kind of weird she's sharing journal excerpts, but it wouldn't have become like a real thing. It's becoming a big thing because...

People are literally like other celebrities and other members of his life are calling her out. And then also drawing on the last couple of years of weird behavior, you know, just kind of accusing her of, you know, doing like a little too much press when your husband passes away. And like change her name on Instagram. Two days later, a couple of days later, his last name, like a lot of thirsty behavior, which, you know, at the time, I think maybe a lot of people thought to themselves in private. Like I,

I remember thinking like, oh, that's like really, like she did a People Magazine interview or like a cover, like really somewhat recently after, but everybody creates in their own way. So you would never say it, but you think it to yourself, obviously. But now we've said it. No, and now everyone's saying it. So Courtney, who was his friend said, anyone who knows me knows I go straight to the source during a conflict and handle my business. But since there's clearly no shame in being so public, I haven't said a word in two years, but here I go. This is by far the most tacky,

classless opportunistic act I have ever seen in my entire life she went on she referenced that bosses that twitch's friends and family had to sign some weird NDA in order to attend his funeral she added that Allison the wife treated her mother-in-law like garbage this entire time so it's twitch's mom and

Elsewhere, she said she called her out for smearing his name and attempting to dim the bright, loyal, loving light that your husband, that was your husband and my friend. You're a living, breathing bulldozer. Stick to your own demons. Shame on you, Allison. Shame on your money-hungry team. Let my friend rest in peace, not your PR.

No, it's really crazy. And everyone like sharing this post, other members from the Say Yes to the Dress. His brother shared it and said no lies told. Yeah. And then also somebody else from, I believe, a different family member saying, not only is this classless and tacky, it's also untrue. Basically saying that Twitch smoked weed and that was something that his wife didn't like and they were like actively arguing about and trying to get him to stop doing, but it wasn't like an addiction to drugs. Yeah.

- Got it. - So that she's also just sort of stretching the truth a little bit. - Oh, interesting. - Yeah, it was an accusation someone had made, not me. This is like really crazy. - Yeah, really, really crazy to go from being like so private, you know, even though there's things that people don't know, like we're not gonna share because we're just gonna protect his legacy. - 'Cause that's okay. - To then this, not only she sharing, but then like everyone is like tearing it up. It's actually as public and messy as you could get overnight. - It's really sad. - Yeah.

Like, I think this happens so many, you keep things to yourself. Like if you do keep things to yourself, it's always like to protect the kids. That's like what the priority always is. And I think that's why, you know, none of this has happened over the last two years. But at a point you like do get to a place where it's like, you're actively slandering the legacy of someone. And if it's your brother, like you feel a certain type of way about it. And so I'm all for, you know, keeping family business private, but like, I don't know. I hear them. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Crazy. But this is also like a blind spot for me in terms of, I don't watch. So you think you can answer. I don't know the players. I can't like judge based on character. I don't, I really don't know these people. I agree, which was why it was six booted. And I was like, maybe we'll talk about it tomorrow. I'm sure more stuff is going to come out. Yeah. But we talked about it today. I'm glad. I'm glad we talked about it. Um, let's do a TV recap. The real housewives of Beverly Hills. The swirlies were swirling. Jackie and I both caught up on the most recent two episodes. Cause I was behind from December. Um,

And let me just tell you, I continue to be dazzled by Miss Erica Jane. Like, first of all, Ben was watching. Ben was watching with me and he was obsessed with her home renovation. Me too. And then I went to her Instagram because this was obviously filmed a year ago. Like, where is the after? I want to see what he did with that cabana. Oh,

I didn't go to her Instagram. I went to his Instagram, Martin Lawrence Blar. Did you find? No, not hers. I just wanted to see what his design is like because I just wanted to see what the vibes would be. And he has a collab with Ruggable. So that's exciting. If you like his vibes, you could get an affordable rug with Ruggable. But yeah, no, he seems to be like super legit. And I'm so excited for her. And I was thinking like, I don't,

We don't realize it, how produced the show is, whereas everyone has to have a storyline every season. And that's why people get made fun of when they have like a boring storyline, like Sutton buying a horse. But obviously Erica's storyline this season is redoing her house. And like her life. And how liberating that is for her. And let me tell you, it's the most interesting story of all time. Like I could go for an hour of it. I know Harley on its face is like, she's redoing her house. That's your story. Yes. Who cares?

That's how sorry. I completely agree. It's like actually makes me emotional for her. Like I'm actually so happy and proud of her. And every time they flash back to like, and what? Like the years of like really crazy things that she went through. And you look at her now and she like, you can tell she's just even more like stripped back. She wears like less makeup. She's still like fabulous and everything. But she looks so at peace. It's really crazy the journey that she's gone on. And I love her so much.

Yes. And she's such a good friend to Dorit. And Dorit needs that. And as this season, like Dorit is my number one. And I watched a little bit of Watch What Happens Live last night. And I was glad to see the audience is like team Dorit over Sutton and team Dorit over Kyle at the moment. So I think everyone's rallying around Dorit. And the fact that like Erica is really there for her. I do need her to like, you know. Go a little further. Yeah. Come off the fence a little bit. But. You know who came off the fence? Boz. Boz. Boz.

- Loved it, 'cause I know that she likes Dorit better than she likes Sutton, but she has maintained this level of neutrality. And even in her confessional, she's like, "Oh, these women are always fighting." I hate when new housewives do that. - Claudia?

You don't know the premise of the show. I had the same thought and it's like they never stick around to actually get involved. I'm sure Sutton's first season she's like these women are always fighting and now like you're the one always fighting. Like last season I forgot the name of the other housewife but she was like always commenting on the fighting except she did try and get involved and it was premature but like they always have one out Jennifer Tilly always someone commenting on how much these women fight and then like they don't stick around to like actually see why they're always fighting and it's like we know they always fight. Thank you. That's the point. It's the point. But Boze like took her time. She surveyed. She like wanted

Wanted to get to know people a little bit more. I actually think that was pretty smart of her. And she dipped her toe in. And I thought she was really swift with it. And on the right thing. The right. Because like Sutton went too far. Everyone could feel it. A thousand percent. And she was being so hypocritical in that moment. And that's the thing on the sprinter van. And then at the cowboy party. It's like.

you keep making these great declarations of sisterhood while saying like the nastiest shit alive. So how do we reconcile that? And Bose was just pointing out like the hypocrisy, like seriously, how do you say like sisterhood, sisterhood, sisterhood, and then you go and say something so mean to somebody who's going through something so hard that you've been through so you know how hard it is. Like you're using it as a weapon.

And I don't like weaponized. It's like, well, shut up. Also, you know what? She didn't like the word violate from Sutton. Yep. And it reminded me of that. No, not from Sutton. From, I'm sorry. Crystal. Crystal. And in that moment, like it was a strong word and she, and I think she had success with that line of arguing. Like, I don't like that word. I don't like that word. It's too strong. And now she's doing it again. It's like, no, no, no. You literally textbook weaponized. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. And I like how she explained it to her. Like she was stupid. Well, you took something and you fashioned it to hurt someone else. Like it was really brilliant. You fashioned it into a weapon. It was brilliant.

It was really brilliant. So I love to see Bo's getting involved. And I feel like Dorit is really tough. Like she can handle a lot and she has Erica supporting her, but not vocally. So to have somebody like step in. Yeah. And this is somebody who I feel like holds power in the group because they're waiting to see like where she falls. And everybody's kind of like kissing her ass a little bit, being like, we want to get to know Bo's too. So try. Yeah. Like Dorit invited her over to her home. Right. Dorit went to her home. Like you act, you have to make a friendship.

It just didn't just like work that way. And so I was really happy to see her getting in there and shaking that thing. No, same. Dorita has been so strong. And I feel like in the beginning she was like lashing out at Kyle and it felt kind of like an overreaction. Like she wasn't wrong in how she was feeling, but like it was just like a lot after nothing and they're fighting over...

subtleties that we have maybe missed. So it just felt like an overreaction, but I felt like in the last two episodes, like she really explained herself so well and had an answer to everything that was like charged at her. Like she's going through a lot. And when she said like, I'm going through a lot, I cannot tolerate like one more piece of bullshit in my life. So yes, like I am angry. Like I felt that. And I feel like she's explaining herself so well and being like, it's just a very strong person when she chewed up Camille grammar and spellbinding

bat her out. - Oh my God, that was the greatest moment of my life. 'Cause seriously, when Camille and Grandma started talking. - I was not expecting that. - That's probably one of my least favorite tropes, like keeping around random housewives and like they're trying so hard to have a moment. And it was so clear that that's what that was, that conversation, that group of people, it had literally nothing to do. And then Camille's going on about her house burning down like,

Relevance? No, and when you zoom out, when you zoom out, why was Camille at the party? Why was she in this conversation? Like that's Kyle. And that's Kyle like working behind the scenes to undermine Dorit. To undermine Dorit and bring one more enemy to the table so that she doesn't have to do the heavy lifting. And like, that's the shit that Dorit doesn't like that she's trying to tell us about.

And why I'm gravitating so much towards Dorit is because she's actually the only person who speaks and makes sense. Like when Sutton at the Aspen party, I keep saying the Aspen party, the cowgirl party, was just like literally saying words that were not English. It was so frustrating. I feel like Kyle does that a lot too. Just talking for the sake of...

not because it's how you feel. And so she's making a lot of sense. Every time someone comes for her, I feel like she has a legit rebuttal. And now with this PK thing, I didn't think about it until actually, who was it? I feel like it was Garcelle who stated like, it's fucking weird. Yeah. I was trying to like, as much as, and Erica said this on Watch What Happens Live, like the texting and the meme sending between them, it's innocent. Totally.

totally innocent but inappropriate and I was trying to like just put myself in like someone else's shoes of like two couples that really get along and if like they were all splitting if the man and the woman like were still communicating at all like how wrong that would be and when at the end of the day like I want to fast forward to when Dorit and Mauricio get together because that's how this story ends Kyle and her confessional saying that like

PK has been a better friend to me than Dorit has. Like that's really crazy. - Wait, while also saying at the table that no matter what happens, I'm gonna take Dorit's side because I'm a girl's girl and then going and saying, well, PK is a better friend to me. So like you wouldn't take Dorit's side then.

She said a couple of things that were so crazy. She took a picture with Kesha and was like, oh no, I'm taking a picture with a musician. Let the rumors start. As if the only thing she did was take a picture with Morgan Wade. She had a full blown relationship. That was so crazy. Oftentimes when I'm watching her confessionals, like I get a really like weird, a weird vibe. Last night too, there was like her confessionals were just like not hitting for me.

No, it was really like not her gaslighting us that like that whole saga didn't happen. Yeah. The whole relationship didn't happen. That they weren't kissing in the music video. And now like they don't talk. Maybe if you were kissing Cassie in the music video, like yeah, there might be rumors. Yes. No, now her and Morgan Wade don't talk. Oh, because you broke up. Like, like it's just like the gaslighting. I don't remember it going down that way. Right. That is really funny. Um.

I just love Erica. Like, no, I know. Same. And then I just wanted to mention. Oh my God. That story Garcelle told about Oliver. I was shocked because I was getting to the point where I'm like, I feel like of all the personal stories, we're getting so much Garcelle, like family, personal work. And it was kind of getting boring. And then they sat down for dinner at Beach House. I actually like the Beach House story. When she was telling that story about Oliver. Oh my God. I was clutching my pearls. I was like, holy shit. That's such a crazy story.

Yeah. And she's always alluded to like, we haven't had the best relationship, which, you know, could mean a million things. So her sharing that now was really crazy. But I did really like seeing how far she's come, how much the beach house means to her entire family. Like I actually, I really, really liked it, even though when it comes to her role with the women, like,

she is so she's been she's on the wrong side of his diametrically opposed to where I stand yeah um also someone said I forget who it was but like Sutton for the last three seasons has always been beefing with the person who is going through a hard time and then the following season she's like I was too hard on you I should have been a better friend I'm sorry like that's literally what she's doing right now to Dorit last season it was Kyle the season before it was Erica excuse me

Yeah, because I think at first it came as like, especially with Erica, we all had a lot of questions. So we were kind of like, thank you, Sutton. Like the only person who's asking like what we all want to know. Like, did you know LA Times? Like all that stuff. I do think maybe she was emboldened by that because she was like, oh, the viewers want me asking these hard. Glinda emboldened him. I almost went down like that path. Glinda helped it come true.

We deserve each other, me and Bach. - Glinda emboldened him. The audience has emboldened Sutton to think that we want her prosecuting everything when someone's going through it. So just like the violation, that was a strong word.

She interrogated Erica. Then she interrogated Kyle. And you know what? With Kyle, we did have some questions. And I do think at the time, like she was being a bad friend, but viewers felt like she was the voice of the people. I think. I feel like Dorit has been so open with us. Oh my God. She goes into drinking. No, literally. Separation. I actually don't need an investigation.

As an audience member, I feel like Dorit has been incredibly forthcoming. - She's been so forthcoming to the point of like, oh my gosh, it's shining a light on how non forthcoming people are. They go to four hour therapy and she comes out and tells everything that went on on the inside. Like, I feel like people- - It's actually so true. - Acts like her life is perfect when she's literally sharing everything as it happens.

There were so many questions around Kyle, not only her divorce with Mauricio, but the Morgan weight of it all. And she was like acting really weird. And so the questions were justified for Erica. There was so many questions, but she was so limited in what she could say. So that must've been so fucking frustrating for her. But this, like I have no further questions. And if I did, I would ask to read directly and she would tell me. So I do think that's why Sutton always finds herself beefing with the person who's going through it because she thinks she's the voice of the people. And no, and by the way, her role as a,

as a housewife is necessary. Yeah, someone asked... It doesn't make her popular amongst the group. But in this situation, I actually don't have questions that I need one of the women... Dorit is answering every single thing and she...

will speak more when she's talking to someone who's being kind to her versus someone who is just being nasty to her. Like she's just have lunch with her and you'll get all the information. You know, it was like such an annoying Sutton moment. Like when they all arrived at the pride party and Bose arrives and like the first thing she says, Oh, Sutton's like, I like your bracelet. Are you going to use it as a weapon?

cringe. Like shut up. Like you thought you laid the house down boots and now I just like I feel uncomfortable. No and like I think she like felt the weirdness too so she like buttoned it up by saying well I think we all need a drink first. Like that's what you say when you have nothing left to say. When you've made things weird. Yikes. It was just like

Okay. Okay. And I also want to shout out Doreen's daughter, who is a burgeoning ballerina, because I saw over the break that Phoenix was the lead in the Nutcracker and Wizard of Oz on the same day. And PK and Doreen were both posting a lot of videos of her. And usually I'm like, okay, I don't care about your kids like musical theater. Extracurriculars. But Phoenix. Phoenix.

is a is a star we saw a little bit of her dancing on the show you could tell Dorit's so proud like she's one to watch both of her kids are very sweet and look she's she's really oh my god that thing at the end like where she's like listen do you know how hard it is for me to like know you're talking to my husband Kyle when I can barely get in touch with him we're trying to co-parent while also shield the kids because we don't know if we're gonna end up getting divorced well you can't shield the kids forever shut up I didn't say I'm shielding the kids she didn't say she was and too like I

Like I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to shield your kids from your separation. A lot of people get back together. So it's like to torture the kids for what? And they're super young. Like it's so reasonable. And I feel like she's doing everything she can. Like go to tennis, go to ballet, put your sunscreen on. Like she's working so hard and everybody's just bothering me. Like leave her alone. Yeah. No, it's so crazy. And you could see. Well, you can't shield them forever. You could see in her physical appearance how she's like changing through the season.

Yeah, she looks like weathered too. And like very slim. She's always been slim, but just like skinnier than ever. And why more people aren't just being compassionate for her when literally every person in this group is divorced and has been through it.

Like, now is not the time. No, the only person, like, being compassionate is Bose and Erica. And, like, that's my team. When they were sitting on one side of the couch, it was giving, dweam team. Like, literally giving Yolanda, Lisa, and Brandy. It is the dweam team. It is. Dweam team.

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