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History of the Self: Love

2024/12/26
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#love#modern love#philosophy and existentialism#modern dating challenges#online dating trends#societal influence on relationships#love stories People
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Andrea Wolff
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Emma
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Maura Weigel
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Slavoj Žižek
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Veronica Hefner
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@讲述者 :本期节目探讨了现代爱情的演变,从浪漫主义的理想化到约会应用带来的困境。约会应用将寻找伴侣的过程商品化,导致人们感到疏离和孤独。 尽管科技进步,但人们寻找长期关系的难度却增加了。现代爱情不再是美好的、神奇的体验,而变成了无尽的拖延。 @Slavoj Žižek :现代人追求‘没有代价的爱情’,这反映了消费主义的浅薄态度。人们想要爱情带来的好处,却不想付出相应的代价。约会应用正是迎合了这种心态。 @Andrea Wolff :浪漫主义的起源并非在法国或英国,而是在18世纪末的德国耶拿小镇。耶拿的浪漫主义者们,特别是卡罗琳·米夏埃利斯·伯默·施莱格尔·谢林,对浪漫爱情的早期观念的形成做出了重要贡献。早期浪漫主义与我们今天理解的浪漫主义有很大不同,它更关注解放和选择。自由并非意味着可以为所欲为,而是伴随着道德责任。 @Veronica Hefner :大众媒体塑造了人们对浪漫爱情的理想化观念,包括‘爱情战胜一切’、‘灵魂伴侣’、‘一见钟情’和‘理想化伴侣’等四个方面。这些理想化的观念会影响人们对爱情的期待,即使他们意识到这些理想并非完全现实。 @Emma :约会应用在带来积极体验的同时,也导致了无尽的循环和焦虑。它让人们感到压力,并难以找到真正的连接。删除约会应用后,生活变得更加美好。 @Maura Weigel :约会的历史一直伴随着对求偶方式的道德恐慌。约会的概念与消费资本主义和青年文化共同发展,并经历了不同的道德恐慌阶段。手机约会应用将约会进一步‘去嵌入化’,导致了孤独感的加剧。约会应用的经济激励机制与用户的目标不符,导致用户陷入无尽的循环。

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Why are young people in America lonelier than ever despite the ease of meeting someone through dating apps?

Despite the convenience of dating apps, young people in America are lonelier than ever because the search for long-term relationships has become commodified and detached, leading to shallow interactions and a lack of genuine connection. Researcher Niobe Way calls this a 'crisis of connection.'

What is the origin of modern romantic love according to the podcast?

Modern romantic love originated during the Romanticism movement in Europe, particularly in the late 1700s in Jena, Germany. This movement emphasized individualism, emotional experience, and the liberation of the self, which laid the foundation for contemporary ideas of love.

Who was Karoline Schlegel and why is she significant in the history of romanticism?

Karoline Schlegel was a central figure in the Romanticism movement in Jena, Germany. She was a fiercely independent intellectual who organized discussions and debates that shaped Romanticism. Her ideas about the self and freedom influenced the movement, though she has not received the recognition she deserved until recently.

What are the four facets of the romantic ideal as defined by Dr. Veronica Hefner?

The four facets of the romantic ideal are: 1) Love conquers all, 2) Soulmate, one and only, 3) Love at first sight, and 4) Idealization of the partner. These ideals are often perpetuated by media and shape our expectations of relationships.

How did dating apps evolve from their early days to the present?

Dating apps evolved from early platforms like Grindr, which allowed LGBTQ+ individuals to connect safely, to mainstream apps like Tinder, Hinge, and Bumble. These apps have made dating more accessible but have also contributed to a sense of disconnection and loneliness due to their hyper-individualistic and market-driven nature.

What is the economic incentive for dating apps to keep users swiping?

Dating apps profit by gathering user data, which they sell to advertisers or use to attract investors. Their economic incentive is to keep users engaged on the platform rather than helping them find meaningful connections, as their revenue depends on continuous user activity.

What is the paradox of choice in the context of dating apps?

The paradox of choice refers to the overwhelming number of options on dating apps, which can lead to indecision and dissatisfaction. Users may feel that there is always a better match out there, making it difficult to commit to one person and form meaningful connections.

Chapters
The episode starts by exploring the modern dating landscape, highlighting the difficulties faced by many in finding lasting relationships despite the convenience of dating apps. It introduces the concept of a "crisis of connection" and questions the transformation of love from something beautiful into a never-ending slog.
  • High number of single young people in America
  • People seeking long-term relationships are lonelier than ever
  • Crisis of connection

Shownotes Transcript

How did love – this thing that's supposed to be beautiful, magical, transformative – turn into a neverending slog? We went searching for answers, and we found them in surprising places. On today's show: a time-hopping, philosophical journey into the origins of modern love. (This episode first ran as Love, Throughline)

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