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All Wars Are Fought Twice (2022)

2023/7/20
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Key Insights

Why are refugee stories important in the context of war?

Refugee stories remind us of the human consequences of war, highlighting that war inevitably kills civilians and produces refugees. They show that war is a daily, unforgiving grind for millions who did not ask for it and will never receive glory or recognition.

Why does Viet Thanh Nguyen call himself a scholar of memory?

Viet Thanh Nguyen studies how we remember events of the past, both as individuals and as nations, and how those memories affect how we face the future. He focuses on the contested narratives of war and the selective remembering and forgetting that occurs.

Why is the way nations remember their wars important?

The way nations remember their wars affects how their veterans are treated and how they narrate their pasts. It can influence future actions and policies, often leading to a cycle of repeated involvement in conflicts.

Why did Viet Thanh Nguyen feel the need to write about the Vietnamese perspective on the Vietnam War?

Viet Thanh Nguyen felt that the American narrative of the Vietnam War was deeply limited and often excluded the Vietnamese perspective. He wanted to bring Vietnam's memory of the war to an American audience to fill in these gaps.

Why does Viet Thanh Nguyen argue that both sides in a conflict often see themselves as victims?

Both sides in a conflict often focus on their own experiences and traumas, excluding the perspectives of others. This victim narrative allows them to justify their actions and maintain a sense of moral superiority.

Why is the concept of 'happy forgetting' important according to Paul Ricoeur?

Paul Ricoeur argues that 'happy forgetting' is possible through justice and working through the past. It involves confronting the past, addressing issues of justice, and creating narratives that lead to a more balanced and equitable memory.

Why does Viet Thanh Nguyen see parallels between the fall of Saigon and the withdrawal from Kabul?

Viet Thanh Nguyen sees parallels because both events involved the U.S. abandoning allies and creating significant humanitarian crises. He feels that the U.S. is responsible for the consequences of its actions and that the outcomes were predictable.

Why does Viet Thanh Nguyen believe that transforming society is necessary to achieve 'happy forgetting'?

Viet Thanh Nguyen believes that transforming society is necessary to ensure that more people have the opportunity to tell their stories and that conditions of voicelessness are abolished. This involves creating a more equitable and inclusive society.

Chapters

The episode begins by exploring how personal memories of war, particularly those of Viet Thanh Nguyen, a refugee from the Vietnam War, influence national narratives and collective memory.
  • Viet Thanh Nguyen's memories begin in a refugee camp after the fall of Saigon.
  • His fragmented memories of the war are contrasted with his brother's more reliable recollections.
  • Nguyen's personal narrative is intertwined with his scholarly work on memory and war.

Shownotes Transcript

"All wars are fought twice, the first time on the battlefield, the second time in memory," writes Pulitzer Prize-winning author Viet Thanh Nguyen. This week on Throughline, we want to pause the news cycle to think about not just how war is experienced or consumed, but how it's remembered. A refugee from the Vietnam War, Nguyen calls himself a scholar of memory — someone who studies how we remember events of the past, both as people and as nations. As the war in Ukraine continues and conflicts around the globe displace millions, we speak with Nguyen about national memory, selective forgetting, and the refugee stories that might ultimately help us move forward.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)