S22 E1: Morally and Ethically Repulsive
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Hello, this is a call for um and in made at the hamilton county jail. This call is from a correction facility and is subject to monitoring and recording. Thank you for using global telling.

Take Justin. How are you?

Hey, Megan, how are you?

Hey, i'm good. How are you?

I'm good. I do have some news to show, show why the .

story has been .

picked up by another journalist that has her own top cash. You've got a very big platform and SHE is wanting to talk to you.

what's your name? What's your name? I need her name.

Her name is, how do you .

spell that? Someone play my hands. Um where he from?

Here's a .

podcast called something was wrong.

A did the journalist SHE with anybody or SHE an independent?

She's an independent. erna. Know I know that her podcasts like covered by wondering which is like the main by company.

how。

I have a problem number and you can call, I think as soon as tomorrow OK, I will tell you this is a very big platform. So she's very nice. I talk her like three hours of the last few days. But um SHE just want R E E S E O K. I believe it's like the number four most substance to park.

OK um so it's it's pretty big so that yours to deal with, I will give you the phone number and like I said, I think the thing is making like I think you going to talk to you one time like do not abuse this number. You very apprehensive to let you have IT but I was told the givet so vy now let me know when you're ready. I'm ready. The phone number is nine, one, six.

OK, is he on getting out the C.

I don't via .

video is I would be easier .

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video is IT that's okay. I'll just all tomorrow. 我 经常 给你。

拍 most。 Be honest, but we want you play the victim. I am like you're gonna ask very specific questions and like I would not try to walk away around IT either answer or adult, but do not try to lie, will not go away.

You OK well, thanks for the I appreciate a Justin.

Ah well.

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Hello, this is a call from and .

I made at the hamilton county jail. This call is from a correction facility and is subject to monitoring and recording. Thank you for using global telling.

Hi, this is kip ney. Hi, this is Megan sooner.

Okay, I thought, so how are you? Yeah.

i'm okay. Thanks for taking my call.

I spoke to Justin, and he told me that he would pass along my meers. I'm glad I got to you.

yeah. I was curious if you can tell me about about about your podcast and kind of your angle on my story.

Yeah, so my name is tifany risk. My main podcast that people know me from is from something was wrong. And essentially audio documentary is what I make.

So the original season started with a story that I came across through someone I knew. But since then, all of our seasons and stories come to us through the listener. So we actually have a website where we get submissions essentially, and I actually had multiple people submit your name.

And this facebook group that essentially was started surrounding the crime you've been charged with so far. I met with a lisa, and then I spoke with Justin. So far, given the public nature of this case, i've been able to review a lot of the materials quickly, given like the public case files and twitter and facebook groups in such.

So yeah, I thought I would reach out to you and see if you would be interested in making a comment. I can also check back in with you once i've had more time to conduct the interviews. But essentially, I have a pretty decent idea of what the allegations against you are and what is in the criminal record.

And I could certainly go over that from a fact tracking perspective with you. And have you comment on that if you wanted to or some people go no comment. You know it's really up to .

you um how soon are you looking to publish? Never go about me.

So we are planning for a season because we've had a lot of people come forward. We have about three to four weeks that we're working on trying to get all of the rest of the interviews done. So in a few months would be the soon as they would start earring because I have I have to conduct a thero investigation and I have to illegally make sure that anything that is included is legally responsible.

right? Okay, um I get them to try and I figure your angle because you know, I I don't want to do an interview and you know we made a four or just be what that know because I am going to take responsibility ly and I am understand um I just you know I I don't want to have to uh you know I don't want .

to wake that essentially yeah I mean understandably so because who wants that but you know, given the charges and everything that out there you have to know IT doesn't look good and you already yeah and so honestly, Megan, I don't know how to articular this given that you have hood out there publicly that euro survival is well, I essentially wanted to like extend you extra curtesy.

Thank you.

But i'm unclear if those allegations are true or not or which of them are true or not. And so that was also difficult because, you know, being somebody who works with survivors from all over on a daily basis, we take that release seriously and we take false accusations release seriously, because that harms the ninety seven percent of survivors who come forward and are being truthful.

And so I think think that would be the first piece you and I would have a little sort out. You know what I mean? Yeah and I .

guess i'm more confused. Are you wanting to look at the crime so I committed I mean, I could not guilty so I can talk IT about that. That's not you know that's but or are you trying to go on with my personal life because my being a sexual or survival, if I am or not, that doesn't really like having him to do with my crime.

So just i'm trying to understand, right? But false reporting is a crime.

Absolutely, I agree.

So that would be a time. So we will talk about not only the crime you've been charged with, but if we find that there's other crimes that have been committed. And yes, we will report on those. And there's a lot of allegations of that, that you haven't been charged with and your victims are seeking justice. You know yeah well.

I guess the tough part is i've not been able to put I not really I don't know what's being set of me out there honestly on my allegations because we've been locked up April wait, part of vital and I was impressed with the for six months prior of that. Um so do really, really hard to know what even is being set at point about me. Um would you be interested in talking with me after I get out in november or would that be too late?

So i'd like to review of being put about me so I could write a comment. Is not shooting just from the head here. What the problem .

with thought is, if I allow you to review all the testimony that's gna come out against you, that will allow you to plot and manipulate further and twisting to make your story make. So what we do is we collect everybody's testimony, and then we evaluate all of that, and that's compiled. We give the opinions of both sides, and we allow the listeners to make the decision. But I don't typically extend my platform to house voices of who we refer to as like the predator, the criminal in the situation. But I can always free to comment on your behalf or something of that nature most of the time, honestly, because their lawyer would never recommend that, especially because we have so many pending legal surgeons still.

Um I mean, I I hear what you're saying. I don't know what is being left about me or allegations being about me right now. I don't know what's out there OK do you .

want to give you a high level of IT? You can just not comment on IT, but just let me really okay, be great. So what I have here that i'm looking at us for your reference is like a timeline document that we're putting together and we organize the evidence in the most uh, linear way is possible.

So the first allegation against you, and I don't have no one where all of these from at this time, but we can locate those. But we have from twenty twelve to twenty sixteen, you attended elwood community high school. You started in politics in twenty fourteen and you joined, uh, I believe, called the Young republicans club.

It's alleged that your parents and you were spoken to by police about false accusing one of your church pastors of sexual assault and that the church called you to speak to you upon the realization that you have lied about the accusations, and IT was discovered that you evaporate ated text messages between you and the accused pastor, claiming that the pastor had wanted you to come to his home to engage in sexual activity with him in his wife. Then we have just like basic stuff. So twenty sixteen you were working at life of america. You were percent in your cna like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen you began volunteering ing during high school in local politics. You met Justin in it's unlike college for .

the video .

you knew of each other, but you never only meet in person maybe a couple times. That sounds like what just in reports that he had been told is that you have been essentially fired from your internship for. Let me get the look lying about the number of places that you were like getting surveys from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen.

Your relationship with her newly was documented a lot and then I believe that there was allegations made against him at one time, but that's not on here yet. Um not not against him. Okay, okay, just that you work with him basically OK got IT.

okay. So twenty eighteen, twenty twenty two, you're back on track shows that you volunteered of the U. S.

House of representatives from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two. Oh, here is. And this is where IT gets markey something about. You worked with politician bozo and that that resulted in a sexual assault.

He said that I didn't catch the name, but he said, I .

think is but is note on that, the auto correct might have asked me out there OK do something. Would that be for sure what .

I want that OK .

um you know what i'm references, sorry. Yeah okay. And then April of twenty fifteen, there was a lot of there's like lots of pictures of you with former ize president my pants before he became this president. There's what a chatter about oh, brian bosna, excuse me, that was the, that was the person but A A lot of chatter about pension security team essentially flagging for you and you weren't supposed to be there but somehow you got a self fee .

with him yeah I don't really know much about that.

But okay um yeah this is just what then some of this is just hasn't been confirmed, obviously are just literally the claims that we've found that far. People are claiming that mike pences aware that you're in jail because of, I assume, the bosna allegations and there were allegedly some other allegations about bosnia and other politicians group sexual assault.

Okay.

twenty eight seen there are allegations that you were working with a journalist or had claimed you were working with a journalist from the indian a star on a story about the previous actual assault I mentioned and claims that the journalists were harassing you. Twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one graduated from both state twenty, twenty or twenty one. Let's see.

Okay, some of the information that people are alleging that is fake information that you have posted on mine, fake stocking stories, fake medical stories, fake depth of your parents, a fake child and a fake death of a fake child, false sexual salt allegations, false allegations against a mega church, and that members of that church had sent you a box of sex toys for a sexy last. And their claim is that you later admitted to lying about all of this when the people in the facebook group confronted you. Twenty twenty okay, there's someone alleging that you claimed that mike pants was running a sex abuse ring out of your apartment and that you had claimed to drag out dead bodies.

June twenty first twenty twenty, you were interviewed by the indian apple star about the anti asking december twenty one to march twenty two you have the thinking arc pod task about the I town church in Fishers and that there was a fake murder for higher plot against pastor jeff Thompson and IT involved another woman, August twenty twenty two you are a teacher at school for only two days. However, you posted an amazon wish list with around two hundred items, many of them personal items, and then you wrote an article urging people to donate. Don't have dates for some of these.

Another claim is that while you lived in inDiana. He lives next to a man named central and you were using his cash APP, march twenty twenty one. There's an allegation that you'd fraught the small business administration by obtaining A P, P, P loan while the program was in the fact november third twenty twenty one was when the order of position an addiction, the images will send twenty one, two, one to twenty three the rental scams, which obviously you are you played guilty to those. And then there's the whole test less red, which when you go to court for that december.

i'm not i'm a way smoking actually against in inDiana. I am where go of in court date I did file, have not been aware of the court date yet. Okay.

twenty twenty two, to swear the allegation about you wing about your parents being dad, I am sorry to hear that they have passed away now but what they are claiming is that before your parents passed away that you had claimed that they had been killed or shot march may twenty twenty two jeff Thompson was on your podcast and afterwards stated he felt he wasn't sure if you were a truthful person charged for not paying a tire changing service seventy five dollars in twenty three so then when we were arrested April twenty .

eight that or I was yeah so starting over twenty twenty three and I bonded out next I turned myself in at some point um the next day after the world was issue turned myself and bonded out and then um a new case that still pending city court that will be heard in december and I had my dail revoked in the hambleton county I said of doing my sin went to work really in march of this year and then came back in equal this year and i'm here that very.

Yeah, got IT, okay, i'm almost. And I think, sorry, do you want me to .

keep going? okay. OK.

okay. So then we won't be sharing his name on the podcast at a respect for his wishes, but would refer to him as time. But I am sure you aware of the allegations there.

IT looks like the allegations that you open the credit card and that you were falsely collecting money for him around IT sound like upwards, like thirty forty thousand, may twenty twenty three, just when the twitter was created and started posting documents. Some of these are kind of smaller notes. Nine, eight, two thousand, twenty three created a lift account using the name abby, who is your former roommates. I believe that when you use with the test of stuff, may twenty twenty three, and then we would like the information about, you know, you being kicked out of the work release and those pieces. I mean, the main problem .

is understand about, like I get IT about not wanting to way to where I can know for everyone else is that other part of this is i'm in jail. I have no way to improve what i'm saying is true or not. I don't have any document, you know, I don't have any of my evidence that I can give you. I don't have anything. I have acted anything.

Um I can .

tell you the sky is right now, but I don't have a way to prove that. And I know that 种类 科技 c so how how can I be in jail and away from my devices？ No, are you created? Yeah, yeah. I hear you.

Here's my thing. I don't need any documents to review to prove that I didn't falsely accuse someone of sexual assault or commit crimes. Personally, like I don't need any files to reference for that. I don't know what files you would need, but i'm sure we could get them to you.

K, I guess i'm not aware of how you would continue to me in here because I think is a pretty well I just .

what I don't know what you would need that would change. I mean, you either committed these crimes that you did and it's pretty cut and right? I mean, there's a lot of here. All I know, I have spent less than a week on on the making, and I feel like I could prosecute you in a court of law this off of what i've found after one week. So I don't know what you could possibly have that would disprove any of this.

But you you not only have to like a handful people saying that there are like upwards of three hundred of victims claiming that you've con to them by now, there's been a lot developing, I think while you've been in jail that you're probably not aware of. But like you know, this is a lot of industrial able evidence. And so I think what I would say is the degree to which a person can grow is directly proportional to the amount of truth that they can accept about themselves.

You know, I don't know what your plan is when you get out of prisons or jail. I'm sorry, but I hope it's to not harm any other people. That would be, I think, the the first start because the majority of people that are poking to are just honestly scared that you're gonna continue to do this to other people, disabled people like, or some of these other victims, people that have literally reached homelessness because of the crimes that you've committed in the harm that you've committed.

It's bigger than just like what's criminally illegal. It's it's morally and asics repulsive and it's such a dage drugs. The position to everything that you proportion to support and believe in politically. So that's what makes this such an interesting dichotomy for people.

And and so I think .

that's really where all this like online interests is coming from. It's because you are you already look like a joke to these people. You look like the world the biggest hypocrite, do you know?

I mean, yeah I mean, I guess what I would say is that obviously I can expect you, the journalist and um you know i'm just to say hope you hope you state your claims because i'm definitely looking at definition fool I get out. I only know that and um I just I hope you're accurate. Um you know I I don't have a way to do something, anything I would say um IT doesn't matter what I would have to share with you evidently I don't have a little exercise here.

I don't have my Violet, yeah, I would talk here. Lawyer, you know, that would be my recommendation.

I have a public defender, that was true because my k was closed. My public defenders, that would be a part .

of the public ade, yes.

Why they yeah that would be part that they're not getting paid for IT.

Got IT you don't have a representation got IT.

Okay, I know .

you have one minute remaining.

Yeah, I am. I'm touch of you and document.

Okay, we're going to air the story regardless, but we will just listed as no comment then.

Okay.

if you want to get back in touch with me before, then you can just let Justin know if he's still speaking with you and and then we can arrange IT that way if you d like once I had more time to like talk with more people and get more of the stuff myself.

okay, I might okay with you in a month to then yeah.

perfect. Yeah, i'll be great. All right, take care yourself. Alright, 拜拜。

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This call is from a correction facility and is subject to monitoring and recording.

Thank you for using global. Can you hear me? yeah.

What can I do for you?

Hey, I was just really curious.

I think about the past. I was just really serious out and .

going going fine. I think it's gna really bring to light like the true person that you are. I think that it'll be great.

I did some recording .

with Tiffany last night. We're going to do some more here soon. There's a lot of people stepping forward that one of the committed speed computers have a really large platform. I think the goal has always been to just make sure that you are not going to reoffend. And i'm hoping that this keeps you can reoffended in the future not being able to commit future crime because the audio and .

to be so that yeah, how things go with you, lisa.

you know, if my life got a lot less hectic when I stop answering your calls yeah.

I understand I know we're not talking almost .

a year or so yeah I ve lost my dad to suicide. And then shortly after that, the guy that I was had in a fair and had a baby with another woman. So i've recently moved out just my kid.

My life is, wow.

yeah, but always well. And now I feel like I have the band wise to really kind down this and like, i'll do this podcasts. Ge, I think is great. It's been like really nice to have someone else may be like, see the full picture of, you know.

yes, I have .

to give love friday. I know I .

OK hey um have anyone know anything about a court date with the mixing motor's case?

Maybe i'm not willing to give you any information about anything when you should definitely stick to your lawyer if you have one. If you don't have one, you should get one. I do know that like to me is going to be working very hard to try to get some more of these crimes seem and heard by the correct people.

I think a lot of the stuff isn't brought to the correct people at the time, and I think they should got a lot of connection. So what more charge's come or not, I don't know, but I think he is definitely willing to add cate for the victims that their voice wasn't heard. You weren't charged with those crimes.

Yeah, i've heard your cover taking .

with other people. That doesn't really sound like anything is changed. And you know, I know that when you went to work, really, if you were so kind of like fucking off and not doing what you were supose to do, and that didn't surprise at all.

I kind of say that exactly what would happen and that they would be to your bullshit very quickly and they did, which I mean was really to be expected. If you're not doing what's expected of you there, then you're then you're done. And so I I almost find IT comical that you're like calling me and trying to get a hold on me just to ask me about IT like making this is going to ruin your reputation.

You will have a really hard time find a job or scanning some whenever, again after this. And that's been my goal through all of this. Like I put so much effort into making sure that your victims voices were heard, and that's why I reached out and started this process of her, because I really felt like people need to know just how truly molecules and terrible you have been.

And I hope that when you get out, maybe you take up and move away and live a different light, or maybe you get out and make a to the people that you run by pain back. But I just think in the future you're going to be able to stand. There will be no asking people for their social security numbers or sending a thousand messages at night from twitter asking people for twenty dollars for underwear like that that stuff over now.

And I I like also like to tell you that, like I, A lot of the phone calls that we have had, I did record it's a one party concentrates. So when you were saying that you had a child that died, I have all of those things, of all the documentation of everything you've ever said, that shared all of those with her. So as excited you think you are about this prod test, you think you're going to be famous or something like, I think here and for a root wakening, I actually glad you call me so I could make sure to tell you that I actually feel no most what i'm saying to you.

Now, I don't feel bad at all. You know why? Because the last time that I actually spoke to you, you threatened to call C, P, S. On me and have my kids taken away because I told people that you were sitting in the shower at the jail.

Those you noticed, those the last my spoke and you, so you're going to call us on my can and haven't taken away how truly disgusting that is to say to someone so I accepted this call, but don't call me again like i've told you in the path. I don't want to talk to you. I have everything I could ever need to expose you to people and not exactly what i'm doing and what i've wanted to do all along so also like to say to me, you can say IT now, but this is the last time you .

will ever speak to okay um the recording of my mom that when you refine for me is that possible get a .

copy of you know what if I do? I absolutely were sure that with you because I lost a parent. So I know what that's like. I just wants to hear your voice if I find if I come across that, you let me know when you get out now and that you.

okay, you try to work out, please.

I have a more and I have been there. I have IT all when I get around to and other around to IT. But I only say when it's like apparent in that fuck and I I hate that you've lost those yours and I you know that I don't contact my mom so I more and I feel for you for that but at the same time like that sympathy will not be played on me because IT doesn't excuse anything that you did.

I'm not not asking you to have something to you. I'm just asking to the recording.

Yes, they find .

to find OK. yeah. sure. I hope .

you doing your time right. And IT seems like you know a little bit of freedom. You were given you pretty much luck that off really quickly. We'll see what happens when you get out. Then you'll be a lot of eyes on you and hopeful ly by the time you get out the protest around and then recorded and put out there for the world. And we don't have to worry about any more victims because they won't be a person that doesn't know who you are.

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What be for by the guy indole you for far too long in your calls? What I shouldn't haven't really stressed me out and I put a strain on me that I didn't even realize happened the time and and I was a great free from that conversation that I was going with you, you know. But also I there look like you admitted the crime with the bill phone to me that you would open the credit or name and done things like that.

I have well, but I think I finally someone that has the ability to take those recordings in the things that I have accumulated against you and possibly change you with more things. So I think that would be the best outcome. But i'm also OK, let's just be aware are and to stay out there is your crimes and what you've done in in the story because honestly, kind of like a movie when you try to explain people, they don't even believe that someone could .

be so capable of such yeah i've got a .

lot of other .

people have .

reached out like, well, I heard the .

phone call LED to the other day where you were like a laughing with a grow like guys be client, we're talking about my podcast like your of bucking celebrity, like how growth, like you're using that to like game of following in the jail like it's just gross. Everything you do is gross. Well, i'm not going to use any more of my money to talk you. I think I said what I needed to say anything else you would like to say, I would say now because like I said, this is a lot. You I going .

to go a transitional healthy when I get out. Are you going when I try to take that for me too?

Take us from you transitional housing. I mean, if you go to the the house way house you started standing. People, baby, we're going to come after you like you've never seen before, just get out and do the right thing.

That's all you have to do. Don't get out. Ask people social security numbers. No, offer sexual .

favors for them. Like what like, just do the right thing that all .

in one is ever expected.

How works really is and charged me with that as the court heard .

what I was absolutely in the paperwork, ker was IT not that in you think we know how to file request. I create. We all know how to file request.

Now we all became masters of filing request for court documents. We've seen everything we've seen where is that? You were messaging like up to a thousand people a day off twitter asking for money.

But the bucks is rock with you. Who does that? Get a fucking job.

Be a good person. Okay, i'm sorry that you didn't see the paperwork. I really could give you shift less already.

I know what you did. We all know what you did. No one stupid. Well.

they didn't charge you with that day. Funny that they drop those allegations and got me one counts more time.

Okay, well, let me say something. You're not work with these, are you okay?

Good that I do something with.

You're fucking life.

I can on that thinks I was.

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Hi, how are you?

Hey, i'm okay. Things you're taken in my call with liver day weekend. okay. Yeah, I did talk to take me last. You didn't hear.

I heard that SHE SHE just told me thank you for putting us talented because SHE SHE did talk to you, but I 有 能力。

How did IT go? I mean, honestly.

I don't think .

it's fair to request comment from me while i'm and castrate because, like, I don't know what i'm defending myself again.

Okay, well, that was the opposite sense future for AManda. So what do you want here?

Well, i'm just saying that I mean, I think that it's hard to issue a comment when .

i'm been percerin right, which is what .

I told first right now. I can understand. Um I mean, I guess that um I mean, I don't know we kind of over all the allegations but I mean, quite Frankly, there are so many and if certainly proof I want to submit, I mean I don't have the ability to do so on and concerted well.

what allegation could SHE bring up that you like feel like you need to fight again .

um honestly, I don't have to listen in front of me. I don't know specifically. I just know that there is anything I can provide through for I I don't have that .

and I know what do you think is going to be in there that you don't that you need to put what you need to provide proof for. Again.

there is a couple things that I D like to prove again. Okay.

give me one. Just, i'm not gonna argue. I just wanna know. I'm not gonna gue. I just wanna know what they are. I just wants to know an example of something that you would like, so I can Better understand where you're coming from.

sure. I would like to prove out the storage unit thing. I was not scanning and go for me. That money did go towards the movers um and I eventually did get my self back from them in August.

I think IT was your september of last year before I got arrested because I member they took to my mombi house um and so I mean, that's an example. There was no scams. I that money went directly to them.

I don't think anybody is saying that to go fund me was a game. There's question to whether or not your dad ashes were actually in there that that has been questioned. And we know that when the movers came to your house that day and get your stuff and had IT on route to the next location and they were contacted by people in the facebook group, you did not have the money to pay them that day. You were trying to stand that I .

had the money, but i'm not. I mean, again, I can't anything one in here.

Why did? Why did they put IT in the story, Megan, why would they put IT in a story unit? If you had the money, somebody called them and said he never have the money and you had the money, they would have taken that where they were posted.

I didn't have the cash. You are right about that. I wish trying to access the cash in the bank and I put to withdraw all three thousand dollars at one time um but they did eventually get paid and I did get the stuff back um and the money that was raved towards that .

was for the .

purpose that I was being said one to go for me even going towards buying chocolate bords .

nobody said IT was going to buying that.

Nobody has said that an example I hope something that will I don't think .

that i've ever heard about that but you did put someone in teach um by that OK.

i'm not okay.

that's time, that time. But if you had the money to pay the Megan, if you had the money, the bank, he couldn't get the cash out. Why did your stuff sit in the store unit for month while you bagged for money every day?

If you had the money, that makes zero sense. You you couldn't pay them on the day you hire them. You hire somebody first service that you couldn't pay for. That is fair game to talk about.

Yes, I was talking about the go fundy Justin.

Nobody has drawn into question the girl fundy questions around whether the story was a tragic as you made IT sound because of the whole ashes thing. I don't know that if they were in there night. I'm not gonna argue about IT, but that is the only thing about to go fun. Me that's been question.

Then why did you tell me he will try to get to taken down?

Because I think something I wasn't one of them, but I think some people felt like you or scaling again that, that you were not being asked about what that money was actually for or that you would take the money and live on IT while you are hiding from the cops and not actually go get your stuff back.

There's a lot of people that just think you shouldn't be that online fundraising is probably just a space you need to shy away from given your history. And I don't. Because with your history, nobody can really trust that mony's gone to get where you say it's going to.

And people who might not know different might take that chance. And people are trying to protect other people. So I understand why people did IT whether IT for the story dinner or not, but this is where, this is where I get first back. You want to find one thing in all the stuff that Tiffany y brought to you and and find one inconsistency, one crack in her story, and then try to shut the whole thing down. Or I can't respond for comment because I can't prove this one thing.

Megan, I haven't spoken to her since you talk to you, but I can tell you that SHE like, I have a rough idea, the things he wanted ask you about, and I think every single one of the mister, more or less, he is still trying to get her on around all the details of the story. He got putting thing out yet. She's just doing the ground work right now. But you and I both know every single one of the likes the big bullet point are true and you want to try to .

delay so yeah, i'm going to sit here and gave me more any more ammunition that's for certain. Um so you're asking me to admit .

anything i'm not anything enough of you admitting to plenty of I have you want call admitting that you made up to I you all the thing I got you call so I don't need that anymore. I just I get pressure y because like you you try to say like I don't think this is fair, I don't think, but then you can't really provide anything that he said that wasn't true.

You mention well, that one goal fund did go for what I said I was going to, I don't think SHE ask you about that maybe SHE bonn, that maybe SHE miss poke did know the details and he was talking to you. If that's the best, that's the biggest detail that is somewhat miss. You're not really going on on the whole way. You don't only have much in the strong case there.

Well, I am looking I am going to looking to getting a lawyer when I get out. I do when I look in.

the definition suits, okay, well, and and i've heard that one from me before. And let me just remind that you have a booth checkmark on twitter. You have a face of page that still exist. That was you as a public year that you have made multiple media appearances and getting a definition to against somebody was the like online profile that you would go for yourself is going to be very difficult and very expensive. And you have a reputation for not paying your atterley. So if you think you can get the tourney to take that case and you are able to come up with the money and you can get one to trust that you're going to actually pay for all their service, be my guess. But I don't know that, that is something you're gonna be able to do.

Okay, I touch a couple. I've been in jail. So I mean, will see where .

those wh will see where goes because I mean, you can throw that out there because it's a scary word and thank people gna jump back. I don't know. You don't find anybody just going to cite your case and you and I both know you don't have the money to play, you know so this is a paper tiger. You just trying to scare people because you're trying to control what's going put out there. The empty thread don't .

renew any favors, right? Um how any more than that on twitter or anything .

not of time. No, I think they they shut the facebook group down for like this summer whatever, just because they .

are so yeah, who were the element still?

Do you know the same one? They are always like.

oh, okay, um okay, yeah. I talk to a lisa this week.

I will wait the lisa.

I just say i'm sure you are in the phone call. I mean, that want about is terribles that can? I mean, i'm sure I don't have to pain all the details.

I mean, I was m.

he was pretty good. Some, I mean, I know know what to say. I am sorry. I, I mean, of course he would not be angry at me. Um, I mean, we did a find common ground that he would find me, try to find me the phone, call my mom because he knows what it's like, took us one to hear a level and boys um and I don't have many of those um and he agreed that I could get with her and I get out and he would if he find that he was sent to me, he said, I mean something I think we found common ground, dawn.

I mean, he seems pretty excited about the disney podcast, which if you all think about going to bring you some kind of satisfaction and go ahead, I mean, that proves I think if you're all wanting a podcast, bring you satisfaction. I think IT proved that the legal process didn't and that you're all pretty unsatisfied with what happened to me. Um I mean, that's my biggest take away, to be honest with you, was I think if you are all looking again, if you are all looking for our section in the podcast, that's going to help stop people or stop me or whatever.

I I think that I I don't know. I I think you guys just upset the legal process. Only got me six months plus seven um in a year creation. Um but I think that's pretty telling. That was all the prosecutor to get me on.

Is that what you really fucking think? Is that what you actually think? Megan, you and I both know you will never serve a day in jail for what you did. You will never serve a day in jail for what did abbot you Victoria is not listed on the the case that what you went there's a million things I could sit and grocer with you about things you did to people lies you told the traumatize people that emotionally flooded people, the the things you get the murder for higher all that some of its not cruel in the court of law you are correct。

Some of its not actually crime still really shiny and the fact that you can sit there with that smug toning your voice and say we didn't give me on very much make IT you could have probably just gotten if you would turn yourself in the first time, come out, started paying your institution, got in a job and we're on the right path. Not at all. Those reoffended over the summer not had run from the police, not have gotten kicked out of work release you wouldn't observe in y at this time.

You feel like we're trying to get satisfaction out of watching new stuff. But that is not what this is about. This is about getting justice for all the things that you will never actually serve for just because it's not a crime, just because IT wasn't improvable in this jurisdiction, just because this case didn't pertain to IT doesn't mean you shouldn't face consequences for every last thing that you did. That's what this is all about. Got .

IT is.

Over, goodbye.

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This was also in middle of a pissing match with I town. SHE claimed on social media that somebody from I town had come and shot her mom. So he was in the middle of planning two funerals and contemplating the unthinkable that he was about to lose both parents.

This is a very small community. Everybody knows everybody. And when you talk about sexual abuse or assault, especially in the politic world, is a big deal.

I remember jeff reaching out, very concerned for me, saying that there was a murder for higher plot, that the association related churches was involved, and that they had threatened him, and that they were threatening to do something to me as well.

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