S21 E18: [SWW x WCN] S20, S18 & S7 Case Updates & Reflections
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I'm excited to record today with amy, who is a producer on the broken cycle media team. SHE is the host of our other show, what came next. SHE is my best friend and season seven survivor.

Thank you so much for recording this with me. So number one, I don't have to do IT alone this time number due. It's just awesome some to have any opportunity for us to be able to check because we're both so busy, it's just nice to hang out as well.

agree. And thank you so much for having me always I reflect often on how long we've been able to cultivate and grow our relationship, but i'm very great for IT always, but especially when we can do .

stuff like this. Okay, work in our way back here, season twenty, oh my goodness, season. We're also gonna AR some audio shortly from some of the survivors from season answering some of your questions that you all submitted to the something was wrong podcast instagram page.

But I did want to give some updates because there have been a few things that have taken place that we've gotten a lot of messages dms about. And I wanted to take a moment to address IT at a high level. I think the best way to appropriately address IT is to just read caring just as mum's facebook post.

okay. So kirn yoka, whose Jessica polis mom had posted as many of you know, Jessica, or in a bad car accident this morning, was life flighted to U. N, M, C.

In omaha. We are asking for all the prayers for healing comfort during this difficult time for Jessica and the rest of the family. The accident took place on june fifth twenty twenty four, at four thirty seven am.

Within hours of the accident taking place, by the time I was told about IT, people were, are making a lot of speculation. Did Jessica cause this accident to happen on purpose? Did Jessica do this for attention?

Did Jessica do this so that our family would speak with her again? Was this purely an accident? And investigations of that kind, from what i'm told, are extremely difficult. I have reached out to local, state and highway police.

And IT was a lot of non information of those conversations over the following days of the accident, people started posting on local gossip, facebook pages and things, posting about this car accident, posting a lot of speculation. And some people were essentially accusing Jessica of crashing her car on purpose. So her mom responded to these comments.

IT was in a facebook group. IT seems a local tea room, so like it's literally a gossip facebook group. Current response, this is Karen, Jessica's mom and grama.

I would like to speak on behalf of me and my family. We had no idea what Jessica was doing, and we are all devastated. We do not agree with IT, nor do we make excuses for IT.

SHE is working on herself five examination points. However, this accident was not intentional. We asked that you and the other is show compassion and respect for our family during this difficult. And then there's a bible verse here, do not judge others and you will not be judge, do not condemn others, or IT will all come back against you, forgive others, and you will be forgiven. And SHE wrote, like six thirty seven, I think he means, look then below that.

IT says, just to be clear, also, there was a pick up and camper was stalled on the right side of the road in which the semi driver went into Jessica's lean. And that being said, Jessica was going seventy five, not a hundred, which is the speed limit, and the M, I, driver stopped speed to sixty five of that being said, no, the facts before posting rumors. SHE had also posted later in update that Jessica's son was doing Better and he was on the mend, which obviously we were also happy to here, and we continue to keep him in our thoughts and prayers.

Also, the big question that people are submitting, understanding ably is, are their criminal charges? Why to sa free? Great question, everyone.

We'd love to know that too. After the accident, what I can say is I did reach out to local, state and highway police for that situation. The FBI in every state that he has victimized in has been contacted.

To the best of my knowledge, we have reached out to police multiple times. The victim met with police FBI. At one point.

IT seemed like they were considering four to five different charges. Since then, we haven't heard anything. IT feels very discouraging, I would say overall.

Also, just to be transparent, we have done everything we can internally to make the correct authorities aware of what we know in a best effort to protect that child. Because it's sensitive. I want to be as sensitive to him as possible.

He's bent through a lot. SHE seems to only be trying to move to the states of her stocking victims and get jobs very close to them, which just to me, seems like not the move when you are accused of, like stocking people. But what do I know?

I also want to share that after the season wrapped up the summer in july, I was able to head north CarOlina, and Monica and her fynes say, we had originally hoped for everybody to fly L. A. We were do this live show.

But the people that we're putting IT on, I like, fell through again. I've swear, putting on live shows as curse knock on one for me. I fluid north CarOlina Monica and her physic flew there.

We were able to hang out with Denny and her. Now the say laun was there, breed IT was really, really cool to be able to do that, even though IT was absolutely so actually described as stey two to the humidity and the heat. But I had a great time hanging out with them, and I was just really cool for all of us to be together in I R.

L. And IT was monicker kitten's first time meeting a lot of folks in real life, in a real, like, in new way, because of how jaska kept everybody separate. IT was just a very cool adventure. And we are also going to insert into this episode some Q N A clipsed that they recorded, and we hope to bring you more soon.

Hey, it's Monica. My first online question i'm going to answer is, have any of you did IT online prior? I dated online prior for a very short period of time before brody, before matching with him and talking to him.

My relationship pryer was a high school relationship. So after that, when I started online dating, I went on a few days with people from around here is all fine and dandy, and then match with body. And in the beginning I wasn't super interested in berty discuss your both so busy we won't close in distance.

So I did still go on a few dates after we first matched. And then there were actually a few times during our relationship that I had gotten back on dating apps because we were done and still on so forth. And I was trying to meet people and and get over IT and move on.

Every time that happened, he would have friends. I would see my profile. I would be the end of the world again and really go down hill after birdy. I to go back on daily ops. And that is how I met my.

Now you say i've told him this, but actually the first time I matched with my nail, I on, say, was when I got back on dating up and brand, I was done. And then I taught him and got back off. After things were officially dining, I was finally got ready out of my life, got back on the dating APP and slit into my messages again.

IT took a long time for that to work out for the trust need to be ready to date after that. But he stuck with me. And here we are. So dating apps can be good, you know, but be careful alright.

Next question is, do you feel like you're suffering or hug suffer from P T S D or hyper violence since just yes, honestly, I think I was suffering from this a bit of for discovery without even really knowing IT, not having the closure from brodie and going through all that I did with brody alone without talking to friends or I wasn't there be at that time because in my head I was all me and he was just was very good at making me and us feel that way, like IT was all all. And we deserve this. I definitely am in therapy now, going over all of this from years past that I have tried to delete out of my brain.

And I was a pretty a job of IT. I remember new things almost daily and see things that trigger my memory and talking to the other girls, constantly remembering new things that I had blacked out. But yeah, therapy is hoping.

Now we've tried to me, dr. Staff, also doing active puncture for P, T, S, D. And then I get little ear seats and in my ear when I do a punctual.

And that has helped, I think, probably the most so far just because therapies hard. And yeah, we're working through IT. Are you onna? Answer one more.

If just didn't become a part of your life, do you guys think you would have dated birdy as long as you did? Absolutely not. Honestly, I was even questioning things before I was gonna go to this race. And I finally met, just I was giving up.

And I don't know if SHE maybe felt that, decided that I was her time to intervene and inro's ce ourself or what, but I definitely think having just in my life and heard knowing him was something I really hung onto definite after he became such good friends. I could not process in my head that IT was even a possibility for the longest time, even though I wasn't meeting. And just as one that knows, SHE was one of my very best friends for for years.

There was no chance in my mind that a friend would do that to anyone. And in my heart, I didn't want to believe that in my head, I didn't want to believe that. I don't know.

We want to think about that because friends don't do that to each other. Take a look at your best friend right now. Would you ever in your life believe that that person would do that to you? I guarantee a lot of people will say no.

And I think that's where people really need to understand that. I think all of us, obviously, you but being that one person that knew him and her son, who SHE would pull in on some other stories that verified IT, that was okay. She'd met him.

She's hand with him. She's has all the stories of going out tailgates and going out to boating and all the stuff. Why would you question that in a friend?

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Here's laun. I sign the petition.

Is there anything else I can do to make sure jess's to prison for life? Thank you for signing the petition. If you haven't yet, i'm pretty sure it's in all of our bias and will be linked again in this episode.

If you're involved in something similar, I would encourage you to spread awareness and do whatever necessary to make sure others know about IT, especially your local laender cement. Don't let that embarrassment hold you back from potentially putting someone behind bars or potentially putting a spotlight on someone that is doing some incredibly horrible things. Next question, I just wanted to say, all the victims are extremely brave and incredible women.

Many messages of support and love. The outpouring of love and support we have gotten and continued to get has been amazing, and i'm so grateful to those who have taken time out of their day. I'll let us know that we are alone.

Have any of you dated online prior? I had a few serious relationships that came out of online dating. My first boyfriend we dated from, like tinder, I think, and I was very successful.

And IT can be very successful. I would say most of the people that I spoke with on there don't progress, pass small talk this generation number one way of dating is online. And I think that's fine.

But there could be Better verification, less security measures that could be put in place to avoid things like that happening. If just did that become a part of your life, do you guys think that you would have dated brody for as long as you did? Absolutely not.

There were so many red flags from the start. I think just really use that to hear advantage as my friend telling me that SHE knew these people and inserting herself into these stories, as well as getting her child involved. So I think that having her verify this relationship and verify that this person was real was the only reason I stayed.

What would you say to your past self to get away from just sooner if you have the chance? Some people, no matter how much they pretend to care about you, don't have good intentions. I would say, look out for yourself, prioritized yourself.

I think there are a lot of things that I don't bash myself for. When I went through this, I did set boundaries. I did block him.

I blocked him multiple times. I stopped pursuing things. I tried dating other people. Just, just had her hold on me as a roommate and a friend because he would share insecurities about herself and we would have long talks.

And I let that empathy take over rather than looking out for my best interest. Has your experience, ed, with just impacted your relationship sense? My relationships have definitely been impacted since.

Guess obviously the main issue, I have a vulnerability following closely behind that trust. I have a hard time believing that people want the best for me. I enjoy being by myself, and i've grown very independent, where IT has caused me to neglect other relationships in my life.

I have to consciously make an effort, even when i'm scared of being betrayed again. Has just his family tried to reach out to any of the victims? No, they don't give a fuck about anything besides their reputation.

Thank you. How has everyone been mentally ince? The podcast aired IT has been IT up and down roller coaster for sure. I think everyone has really had some hard days as well as some really good days. And we feel that support from everyone around us.

I think a lot of us had to associate from IT because I was too painful to process speaking from a year later, I would say we are all taking the steps to get that mental health we need, and we're just continuing to to be Better and heal from this. What forms or types of therapy have you found helpful in your healing journey? I personally have tried emd r in the past, and that didn't really help me.

I didn't find IT useful just for me specifically, but i'm currently working on a trauma narrative with my theriere and doing trauma therapy. I'm also doing some semantic exercises that are supposed to help release, store, draw ma in your body. What do you wish law enforcement would do differently in your case? Love to all.

You're so brave. Uh, literally anything. I feel like things were rapping up for a bit, but not just cricket.

I wish laws would catch up and something could be done about the sexual thought by deception. I also wish cps would. I've done more.

Do you feel like you're suffering or have suffered from P. T, S, D. And hypervigiLance since? Just, I have been redire nosed with ptsd since discovery.

IT was one of the most traumatic experiences of my life for the most part. Now i've experienced a ton of relief since getting that restraining order and moving out. I didn't realize I was going through what I would now consider stock homes in drome with just until the truth came out about everything.

If you could say something to just right now, what would IT be? P. S, you are all about us. I have nothing to say to her. I honestly just thinking about her makes me want a bomb.

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Oh, right, here we go. Did I date online prior to the road situation? I definitely had dating apps before him at him.

I never dated anyone seriously. And of course I never did. Did anyone seriously without meeting them? This was kind of a secluded incident. And of course, once dress came into the equation and hurren forcing him, and what a great person he was at, just kind of amplify that the whole situation.

And going there is another question, if jess hadn't become part of my life, would IT had gone on far as long? That did absolutely not. Whenever I did get to a breaking point, what happened several times in the years that had gone on sheet conveniently could reach out as test to brody to remind me he's a great guy, and to show all of these nice things that he would have to say about me.

And SHE was just always backing him one hundred percent. And if that wasn't her reaching out to him, IT quote, red or quote is about that he was a good. He just had a lot that he was working through, and I just needed to give him a break.

All right, what would I say to my past self to get away sooner? Obviously, hindside is twenty twenty, but don't lie about meeting someone to your closest friends or family. Clearly, if you can tell your friends or family the truth, something is very wrong there.

And to just trust your gut, I definitely have multiple feelings that I just kind of push to the side or ignored or justified in my head. But those got feelings aren't usually wrong. If I could go back, I just trust myself a little bit more.

What do I wish law enforcement did differently? Well, there's a lot of things. Obviously, I wish the laws had caught up. The united states as a whole is very behind on cafe shing laws. But just in the initial steps of like having to tell my story at the courthouse, and when I was filling or straining order, and people just literally looked at me like I was insane.

I remember when I was filling out my papers for the restraining order, SHE was telling me I needed to hurry IT up because the judge was about to leave and wasn't going to wait around just to have feelings for people. You don't really know what people are going through. And as your job serving the public in a position that way, I just feel it's really important and people need to keep that in mind.

Have I suffered A P, T, S, D since? I would say, yes, probably not in ways that people might imagine. I don't necessarily think hyper vigiLance has affected me as much, but I do feel like in relationships, even friendships, not necessarily romantic relationships, but bringing up situations where I have to talk to your heart subjects is really triggering for me because I was always yelled out for being dramatic or crazy or why did I care so much? I'm just being difficult.

IT has affected me in a lot of ways, and i'm trying to retrain my brain. And communicating is actually healthy. Sending boundaries is healthy. IT doesn't make you crazy, doesn't make you a bad person. What kind of yeah retraining my brain on what's Normal and works not because nothing about the various situation was Normal, was all control IT was all manipulation to the most extensive level one could imagine.

Here's danny. Has the relationship .

jez affected your relationship since? And I feel like that definitely retains to the girls. But I can speak on IT as a friendship portion of IT because I feel like when you have somebody in your life who is like this, whether or not doctor, so we can diagnose, or whether it's an or a psychopath, social o path, whatever you wanna call her, because we truly don't know.

But when these people exist in your life and the mask falls and IT is a very confusing time, I feels like a tornadoes. I feel like you become hyper aware of everybody around you, and White people can be capable of love. And it's really scary, truly.

I feel like now i'm way more, if you, about letting people in my life. And I feel like now my boundaries are so much more stern, I don't think I will let people in my life randomness. Ly, I think when I see something they don't like, I caught people off a lot quicker.

And that's very true this year. It's just a really scary thing, whether it's something you're dating or whether it's a friendship or whether it's a boss, once you experience, it's gna change your life moving board and everybody in your life is going to be hyper analysis unfortunate. So yeah, I don't think i'm going to like make friends moving forward, which is unfair, but it's okay.

How has that everyone been mentally in the pocket? And I mean, it's been I think the last episodes were heard in july and I was september with this september, i'm doing good. I got engaged sense with all the girls they all came out to visit that was superfine and then kidding the question on the beach, and you everybody has a, i'm sure the girls are on their own healing journey.

This is a lot to discover and have been just trying to only be open to listen forever again. What do you wish law enforcement would do differently in your case? Live to you all yourself brave.

I love you too. And what do I wish the enforcement would do differently? That is a load of question. I feel like, firstly, if just was a man, he would have been prosecuted almost immediately. I then the way the case was strained as a hall was a joke.

I think the fact that I was cat fishing, they kind of laughed at IT and downplayed IT for what I was because I wasn't just fishing IT was levels of stocking IT was typer. Stocking IT was fraud. IT was stealing identities.

I mean, IT was sexual battery, social, I alleged, of course, but this can follow under so many different laws and so many different states, and in so many different states. I don't understand how SHE wasn't prosecuted in any other states. Everything good have been done differently, and it's really sad if you could say something to just right now, what would to be?

I think all I have to say is you never do the right thing. But if you could do one right thing in your whole life, please give your child to the person who can take care of him because it's not you. Obviously, you've done so much damage to him, like moving him around alone is horrible and everything was getting him to live for you. Please just give him to somebody who is actually going to give him a good life, because it's not you.

The evening of bradford woman who admitted to faking pregnancies and the finding dulas has been arrested again and is facing new similar charges. Hamilton police say kan Brown is now back in custody. After they received report, SHE was once again false soliciting pregNancy support.

Her victims say they are not surprised that she's been caught for allegedly doing something similar just two and a half months after he was sentenced. Even the judge that day raised concerns that would happen again. This was february twenty twenty four when kelman Brown was sentenced, but dulas say they knew then Brown would end up in the court system again.

Hello, police confirm additional charges were laid yesterday. The new charges include a second count of obtaining by false pretense, as well as false information and fraud under five thousand dollars. The alleged incident dates war between April twenty eight and April third.

April third was the same day Brown was rearrested by hamilton police. Brown was serving a two year sentence of house arrests after SHE pleaded guilty to deceiving duas. There, seven episodes on these and eighteen covering the story of Kathy's bronze victims, both from the perspective of N X best friend dulas, who were snapped by her and the next girlfriend of bronze.

And I had recorded an update, I believed, during season nineteen sharing that kate land had been sense to two years house arrests, three years probation, which honestly I felt like was complete bullshit. The hamilton police confirmed with C. T.

V news that there were three new charges brought against Brown. Brown was arrested by hamilton police on April thirty of and charged the following day and related to Brown falsely seeking support for pregNancy and childbirth from another victim. Brown has been custody since April thirty.

Then i'm told that sh'll be heading back to court but yet, unfortunately not surprising. Uh, I just hope that they're take this as serious as IT is this next time. And continually thinking of all of the survivors that we worked with and the other dollars who have been conned and scammed and harmed by her.

As you've mentioned before, legislation is prevention. When we take action against these perpetrators, we're preventing other victims in the future. If SHE was imprisons, we would not be having to file more charges for more victims. I mean, this is, uh, such a travesty in the way that the response is also falling short.

It's also unique because the story's taking place in canada. So the laws are a little less familiar to me. And also the laws are behind other places besides, the us is a fine line too, with stalking and how SHE targets specific women and finds dollars and then starts messaging them. And IT reminds me a lot of the perpetrator we're going to talk about four season twenty two.

I'm not going to share her name yet, but the perpetrator for season twenty two, one of her things that she's really into that he uses some of her scan money for is yoni missa's, which I don't know how to describe that yet, but essentially it's like a sexual and it's something i'd never heard of before, the same way i'd never heard of birth fetish. So we're always listening and learning here. Season twenty two is another long form season.

I cannot wait for you guys to hear this season. There is so much unique audio in insight. Let's just say jail house audio that is so compelling and the survivors range of all areas of life.

And I have the privilege and honor of telling several of her victim stories as well, interviewing the people who created this sort of vigilant community schemes to ultimately get this woman arrested. Her impact is extremely harmful. That was just recording with one of the survivors, tom, until late last night.

And we are rapping up. And the emotional impact that this had on him is so far reaching. And I really hope that a lot of survivors of scams and cons of this kind, who really felt seen and heard within this season, if anybody listening, we d like to limit their story to either something was wrong or what came next.

You can do that on our website. Something was wrong dot com, click on, share your story and you could submit through there. Also, we have a news cover four season twenty two of the theme song I cannot wait for all the here.

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Amy, i'd love to hear from you first about what's make a deal. I haven't got to watch IT yet. I really .

cannot wait. No, god, it's so embarrassing.

Why tell me?

I watched to a couple times and i'm like, oh, my god. I mean, as you can imagine, I was very overseas and I want a car. And i'm alty like such an energetic person. I think I just was like, oh, that's what I look like winning a car.

It's like listening to yourself back. It's never not crying for me, but i'm sure it's fantastic. I can't finally see IT. I been a recording like every episode. I thought that was just funny, exciting. If you guys much to make a deal and you're like, weight, was that A B, C, A B, B, chancellor, let's make a deal winning a car, your how right IT was and I just love that you deserve all the best things and you would do mind shing, a little bit though, about your history with let's make a deal because I think that something you talked about in .

your season yeah, I did. I I think I mention that as much as possible, because there are certain things in my journey that stand as symbols of why I do what I do or that i'm on the right path. And so lets make a deal thing, definitely one of them.

Let's make a deal. Actually, my bomb was on IT fifty years ago. So spoiler alert for those who may be forgot season's seven or haven't listened.

But I did lose my mom to domestic violence, unfortunately. And so I haven't seen her or heard her voice for many, many years, seventeen years to be exact, since losing her. And originally I remembered that, like, that recording of her was the last recording of her.

So in seeking that recording of her online, and twelve years ago, I actually found a way to just get on the show myself. And I ended up on the show and won a car. I actually gambled IT away as like the last deal of the day and lost IT.

I ended up taking home a sona, which my x husband kept when I moved out. Then, like I had this kind of lingering mean, I should never have given that car away. Fast forward to this year.

I received an email from the casting gods from let's make a deal and I said, like, has your parent ever been on the show? And about thirty seconds, I signed up for IT because I was like, yes. And then I ended up getting on the show in a world wind of events.

I end up getting picked, and I won another car. So technically, I I was saying to my kids the other day, I wonder if I am the only human in let's make a deal history, and I A world record holder of like two cars on the same game show in two different episodes. I wonder. But it's just amazing and i'm very grateful.

It's to me, it's like another cool way to like, try to reconnect with her dos in way.

absolutely.

If anybody can help us find the footage, do you know the episode number? Like, is there some nerd that could, like, make your life and find this for us?

I will give information. I know he was on the show when he was about eighteen to twenty, so that would have been in nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy two. I know SHE was dressed as a bunny.

I know that monti hall was the host, of course. And I know they won a year supply of ten foil and a year supply of crazy gill from the show. And that was what he took home.

Was IT like to make tin foil hat or something. Was that the joe?

I don't know. I was just very random, and I do like to share that. What I ended up, the first episode ended up on, let's make a deal.

IT was my episode. The first one is three, one, five, two. And that happens to be my mom's sixty, number three, and her birthday, one fifty two, generally one thousand fifty two.

IT felt very special. I was receiving a gift firm like, basically, heavens for my mom, if you will. I sent to the kids the day before i'm like, mommy is going to lead to make a deal tomorrow and mom is going to win a car. Not because I knew that I had no prior knowledge, I just felt IT. And then I got to say to them, in the next day.

mommy won a car, which was pretty bad. We love to see. And like you said, your what came next? Over three and a half million downloads now crushing IT.

Obviously, we can't talk about every incredible story that you've covered on what came next, but I do want to highlight that one that we haven't aired yet on this feed that you can find exclusively on the what came next feed. First is a season nineteen update from amy regarding Morrison. A lot of updates from her about hearings and upcoming release states and also connecting with other survivors and finding new evidence through the podcast. So definitely will link that in episode notes. But i'd love to hear from new amy a few other stories that you've been working on recently that have been featured over on what came next yeah well.

I think what the lisser might be interested in especially, is we recently shared john Michael landsturm this something was wrong, feed a what came next. But what was special about that, too, was that he was our official first what came next update.

So he gave us the ability to kind of give an update on his journey and the awards, his one, the impact he's curating, the program he's developing as a result of actually a lot of IT came from his what came next interview and the connections that we've kind of form together. So that was really exciting. And then we also did a home swap, where he became the host of what next for an episode.

And I was able to share some more updates. I know we just shared on the something was wrong, feed an update from majority that you were a part of. And I will forever, endlessly be thankful for the role that you played for me, always as my best friend, but also, just especially that day, as they can advocate. Literally.

I listen to IT again before posting, as is my tradition. But I just brought back all of I. It's like, I almost I didn't forget because IT impacted me forever, but it's like the ship we've gone through, amy and all the shit we've done together in just these last few years.

It's hard to even keep track of all of this. And IT just brought me back and I was like, oh, that was a really rough time. I feel like for both of us in life, we were kind of go in through IT.

And I can like hear how frustrated and kind of broken that I felt after seeing the way that you were treated. I think it's important to share the highs and the lows of this work and of the survivors process. I think you've done such an incredible job with what came next and your own story.

Sharing the continuous journey that you have to face is so powerful hearing your perspective and hearing about what you went through. And I just really opened my eyes to what persons like you have to continually fight for and seek on behalf of your loved one and your own safety. Because he's made death roads against you.

He's stabbed all of these people while in prison. It's the insanity. The shit never ends as the episode is called. But i'm curious if they're been any other updates for you or what we can you to support that continue journey?

Yeah, thank you. Yes, there have been I did share that people want to go and listen to kind of expanded version of them about to share. And more in depth.

John Michael lander did a home swap, and he ended up hosting the space for me to share all of the updates. Ts, but basically we had that hearing. I felt that renewed sense of hope.

And then not long after the rug was pulled out from under again, when I got a notification about my brother's next purl hearing. Now, of course, I knew this process was kind of never ending. I just thought, hey, he was just convicted of attempted murder and a criminal death threat.

You'd think parole was off the table. That was where my mind was. I guess I thought, how could he be going through a role process if these extra offences were just checked on?

I've actually spoken to several people in the victims advocacy office in different levels, either through the prison process or throat a prosecutors office. And nobody really has concrete answers for me because nobody quite gets IT because we're all in different factions. And it's quite interesting because doing what came next, i've interviewed more advocates and i'm learning more about the advocate systems and like how IT works.

So I think a lot of people to feel as lost as I do, even the people working in the system. But what i've learned is one of the sentences he received that day was concurrent, and one was not meaning the six year death threat against me. Technically, he executed IT in two thousand twenty one.

He received six years for that. He only has to serve eighty five percent of that term before he's up for parole. Technically that started, and he time served backwards. So he's almost already done. I believe with that sentence, he's also waiting to get paralleled for my mom's murder.

Still, even though he got the thirty years to life for the attempted murder of the correctional officer, that doesn't begin until he's paroled for the other crimes is what my current understanding is. I've received two dates. I've received both twenty twenty five period day, twenty twenty six year old day.

Now that doesn't mean he's going to be let out, right? But IT does mean that I have to go and make statements again. IT doesn't mean that i've objected to what we just got subjected to in twenty twenty three wild process that I don't really have a full grasp on.

And that's the what came next to at all is it's all still coming next. And I believe there's two hearings coming next. So I have revived the petition that I did take down at one point. I ve also filmed a new T, V show with that D A that charged, you met D A, L.

In that day. And yeah, he gave me everyone.

but he did that T, V show with me to update the process as well. I might learn something from that, but I don't even think you cover .

when is that come out.

IT came out in the U. K. In the August in america.

IT comes out in october. It's called a killer in my family. That's what the show is called. It's an overview. But IT goes all the way through and they did let me mention what came next.

I don't know if it'll be cut out, but they let me Carry into like the advocate portion of my journey as well and they interview da Allen. I think they even include the video that we denied watching that day. So yeah it'll be an experience watching that as IT always is when you consume the media that you make by yeah well.

in all the weird comments you get like when you did evil lives here, didn't you get like a bunch of creepers messages from people? I think you talked about that in episode one of what came next?

Yeah, I get, you know, people just the internet, a wild, crazy place.

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