The Big Suey: Wiffle Ball With Delightful Weirdo Kenny Mayne
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Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, Fat Face and the Habitual Liars.

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Three-leg parlay. It'll pay out at plus 472, but we're going cross sport, and you're going to have to be a little patient with this one because it won't fully pay off until the weekend. Here we go. First leg. We look to Thursday Night Football. We got a good one. Commies taking over Pennsylvania. Second week in a row that's happened. All right. We got the Commanders. We got the Philadelphia Eagles. And I think Saquon Barkley's going to score a touchdown. Anytime touchdown score. First leg.

He's been pretty important for them, right? Like if we were to say transactions, trades, best in football in the offseason, Saquon's been the most important one, correct? Hard-hitting analysis from Dan Levitt. He's tougher than everybody else. Sometimes. And actually, that was your take. You said there was like a handful of guys, Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb, Saquon Barkley, they appear tougher. This is weird. Your takes are coming back to haunt you. Tonight in the NHL.

Late one. 10-10 start. I love this bet. This is one of the more routine bets that I have in hockey. Quinn Hughes assist. Over. Love that guy. Sniper. And also, to close out our parlay, there's a big fight this weekend. There's a couple big fights this weekend. We're going to the Jake Paul-Mike Tyson fight. And we are going with Jake Paul by KO slash TKO slash DQ at plus 150 to close out our three-leg parlay. That is Thursday Thunder.

I've never criticized Thursday, Sunday before. That's a trash third leg. You're a Tyson guy? Yes. Have you seen, we've talked a lot about Alex Jones and you're all familiar with the internet meme of like the before and after where it's the same picture. That's kind of what's happening with Mike Tyson training camp photos in which Mike Tyson, wow, what a transformation. And all he's done is pull his trunks up. All he's done is to pull his trunks up above

above his belly button and everyone's like, man, that guy's in crazy good shape. That works though. If I did that to you right now, if I did that right now, I think I would look in better shape than you guys think I am. If I were to just pull up my pants to a certain point. This is why millennials were crying when Gen Z brought back the low rise pant again, Dan, because the high-waisted trend has been the best thing that's ever happened.

To anyone. I wonder if Kenny Mayne might want to at the end of this segment, see if he and I do a belly off here to see who it is can pull up their pants to the place that makes it look like they are more buff than they actually are. Kenny Mayne is going to join us right now. He is, I believe to be, and I say this, you know, with the most profound respect, a

the single worst contestant in the history of Dancing with the Stars. Not true. The single worst that there's ever been. However, however, I do really and genuinely admire his bravery in doing that, and I think it takes a really great sense of humor to be someone brave enough to do that when you know that you cannot dance. So, Kenny, thank you for being on with us. I want to talk about your documentary in a second, but

it was both brave and awful to see you on Dancing with the Stars.

That's the worst introduction I've ever had. Not just on this show, but really any show. I was not the worst even that season. Master P was worse than I. I just didn't have any kind of following. And so I got voted off. The judge hated me. I was doing things that were so subtle and nuanced they wouldn't be understood for decades. And we haven't even reached that time point yet. But I tried. Plus, they paid money. I did it for the money. I didn't give a damn about the dancing.

I want to talk to you about your documentary. You pride yourself on being strange. I would say that in the history of sports media, very few people have ever made the content that you have made. Why? Why are you killing the guy? The first two things you've said to him are the worst things ever. I think he would think you. Yes, I would think that you would view strange as a compliment. No? No.

I mean, strange is derogatory. You could have said quirky, ironic, you know, like, throw some other terms, like, whatever. We're friends. I thought you liked me. So far, you've insulted me twice on the game, but I'm here. I'll take the punches. I got a wiffle ball. I got a bat. I got a piece of Griffey art back here that's in the movie that's for sale to help my foundation called Run Freely to support veterans.

So, yeah, I'll fire away. I'm ready. Let's go meet the press. Kenny, you're well aware, I think, that you carved out a lane in this industry making eccentric content that no one else was making. That's a much better framing. There you go. But you know what I meant? You know what I meant?

what i meant like how would i not your entire your entire career is built on i'm going to take a path no one else is taking dan your intro was like this delightful weirdo kenny main yeah

here comes a freak show he's now a senior citizen playing golf a lot um yeah no all those things are true they tried to get rid of me after like two months though because i wasn't conforming uh but i i battled i i found a couple allies vince doria i know you love him uh he stayed with me and kept me and and it you know i stayed around a while but it was fun while it lasted uh

I want to get to the Wiffle Ball documentary that makes all of that awkward introduction. I'm explaining that you make choices that other people don't make. If you're going to pour your life into making a documentary, most people might say Wiffle Ball would not be the way to go. That this is not the choice of an easy documentary to make. So why is it that we should be supporting this choice that Kenny Mayne is making when he can choose anything in the world to tell a story about?

Because you're so fond of me and our relationship is so strong, you just believe in whatever I believe in next. That would be my short statement. No, it's a thing that happened when I was at Channel 11 in Seattle, Tacoma, way back when. I think I'd been on TV for a year and a half. Somehow I talked Harold Reynolds and Ken Griffey into coming to the Seattle Center and doing a dumb little story. It was terrible. My interviews were horrible. But in the course of doing that,

we somehow decided to throw wiffle balls on a speed pitch at the Science Center. And I've had the tape for 35 years. I ran into Griffey a couple of years ago in Seattle at the Sports Awards show, and he brought it up. He says, yeah, I was going to mention you, but I want to bring up that stupid wiffle ball thing. And in that moment, I was like, I'm going to tell the story of what happened that one day in August of 1989 when he was a rookie. I was 28 or 29.

and and i've been contending for all these years that i beat him by one mile per hour and i wanted to go back and find the truth was i right was i wrong and it's the journey of discovery there he is 19 years old throwing the ball um also terrible it wasn't calibrated their little speed gun look at that that's got to be 110 miles per hour and it got me like 50 but um i i found the truth eventually through this journey that took all of five shooting days

Okay, so five shooting days. You poured your heart into this documentary. It is on FUBU, 8 p.m. Eastern tonight. Ken Griffey Jr., Mean was saying right before you came on, remember when it was a giant national controversy that Ken Griffey Jr. used to wear his baseball cap backward? That was pretty stupid. Yeah, there were people that had a problem with that. They also had a problem that Marshawn Lynch had tattoos and didn't like to talk to the media. But yeah, people are stupid.

Sorry to interrupt the interview. It's going great. I love this whole conversation. But Dan, you said the documentary airs on FUBU. That is a clothing line. FUBO is what the documentary airs. Oh, I'm sorry. That's my bad. That's a totally different thing. I love that dude on Shark Tank, though. It's a great disseminator of sports content. It's also available through Roku and their other platforms. FUBO, 8 p.m. Eastern, Wiffle Ball. It's 30 minutes. We need this movie.

right now in America. We need this escape. Gretchen and I have shut off cable news. We're watching like the Today Show where they're talking about hot trends and Christmas wrapping paper. We're just down that lane right now. And this movie is escapism. Ken Burns is in it, the noted documentary. We have the Wiffle Ball headquarters president is in it. We have a UW professor. You got old footage. You got new footage.

There's music from the head and the heart. Pearl Jam helped us out. This kid named Sam Lachow, a rapper in Seattle, helped out. And am I shouting? I feel like I'm shouting. No, I just love your lane as self-conscious TV guy. It's something that's delighted me for 30 years. Like, am I shouting? It's supposed to be an inner thought. Yeah.

and i wasn't the worst dancer i was one of the worst dancers but not the you could ask master p and his followers they just voted him in because he's master p and he's successful and he's a rapper nobody knew the hell i was i just took the money they said he wanted to be on dancing with the stars i thought i was going to dance with a star and it's like no you're the star and i ruined that poor girl's career that never had her back either oh no i said yeah they never had her back once andrew

I said, why don't we do something really simple? You know, just keep me in the box, right? No, no, no. We're going to be ambitious. And I was like chasing her around the room and throwing off moves. And oh, well, that's over now. That was so long ago. The Seahawks were playing Pittsburgh Steelers in the Super Bowl that year. I want to talk to you about some sports things, including this Tyson Jake. I want to talk about my goddamn movie that's on Fubo, not Fubu. Yeah, I'm going to wear that one for a while. Yeah, I'm going to wear that one for a while.

That one hurts. We'll get back to your movie in a second because I think Wiffle Ball should be the new national pastime. But because I've admired how it is that you have made content for a long time, you're cleverly disguised as a jester, but I've always thought because of your sensibilities, you watch everything in sports with a wink, but I've also thought you're one of the smartest guys doing it. And so I wanted to ask you from...

From that context, what it is that you do make of what's happening in America right now is you hide in your bunker there and watch Christmas decoration shows. I'll have a statement to make soon after the inauguration. No, I was surprised, disappointed. I hope they do less damage than I expect.

But anyway, FUBO tonight, 8 p.m. Eastern is where you're going to see Wiffle Ball. And yeah, go team. Go America. Not only on FUBO, but also on Rock-A-Ware. Oh, no, excuse me, Roku. Thank you. You've got a real-time fact checker right there. Also, which Super Bowl did you mean? Did you mean the Steelers and the Cardinals Super Bowl? Hmm.

Steelers Seahawks in Detroit. Oh, the bus's last stop. That Super Bowl.

Randall, that was a good one. That was one of the nicest passes you'll ever see. Yeah, we dropped like seven balls. There were a couple bad calls. The rest were so bad. It was an ugly game, but I got to interview Stevie Wonder. And by the way, I was in Atlanta for the Stevie Wonder for Kamala event in Atlanta at State Farm. And then the Seahawks the very next day. That was October 19th and 20th. We were as high as a kite then. It was happening. Is it true that Stevie can see?

No. You know what?

I think he makes his own blind jokes, but that one, there have been incidents like, how can he drum? How can he do it? Well, he's been around the instruments. Just like I used to be good at football. I could do stuff with a football without looking, right? Like you're so used to the equipment. So he can just reach over here and grab his harmonica or play the sticks or whatever. It was a good show. I can do some other concert reviews for you. Pearl Jam, both in Madison Square Garden and at Fenway twice. Really getting off topic here, but...

What was the question? Well, the question was, can Stevie Wonder see? Because the urban legend I heard is that someone that I know is working in a music studio. No, but Monty Jones makes a very convincing argument famously. You want to hear this story. Hold on. I know you want to. Hold on. Hold on. You want to hear this story. My buddy was walking through a music studio and saw Stevie Wonder at a snack machine trying to figure out what he wanted by himself.

That to me is like, look, I'm not saying that he's got 20-20 vision, but I think he can see a little. He was just feeling the vibes of the potato chips and the crackers and whatnot that was in there and determining which one, his aura was drawn to what. That's what I think was happening that day. There's not Braille on vending machines? At this point, there should be.

be expensive but my nephew's blind and did you ever see my nephew and me for funny or die we did a thing called blind football announcer

Why are you laughing at my nephew? No, he's laughing at me. He's not laughing at you. He's laughing at me. Okay, that's fine. Troy can take it. So Troy wanted to call a Seahawk game. And for funny or die, this is 10 years ago, we went to his real Seahawk game, got a real booth, and Troy was the announcer and I was the color guy. And he'd be like, Richard Sherman. I said, Troy, no, we're on offense. We're literally on offense.

Look it up. It's on the Internet. Blind football announcer. I'm on it. All right. It's a lot of strange, quirky content that you could look up. Kenny Mayne, do you have you have anything in your past that you look at and say, this is the best of the strange that I have done? This is the proudest of the strange that represents my work.

Well, one I'm most proud of, and it involves Stevie Wonder again, I got him, this is the same year as the Seahawks-Steelers Super Bowl, and the baseball All-Star game was also in Detroit. Remember, I used to play in those softball games? And I went to Live 8, not Live Aid, but Live 8, they're trying to get...

the G8 to relief African debt, if you guys remember that whole thing. And they had a big concert in Philadelphia. I went down there with no press pass. I kept on upgrading. I'm still shouting. And I got Stevie Wonder to say, I can't be at the baseball all-star game. I have a high ankle sprain. That's the pinnacle. I could have just walked away from that, but I still need to pay bills and so forth. So I kept in the game.

Believe it or not, Kenny, there are a lot of blindfolds. How did you find that? Oh, there it is. Okay. The video team is very good. They're very quick. That was really good because we didn't talk about this before. You had some other preloaded stuff. And I got to hear during your break how you guys put stuff together. Either you're very relaxed and good at what you do, you don't know what in the hell you're doing, or you don't care. It's one of those. I don't know which one it is.

Yes. Yes, it's all of those things. Yes. Is that a fake candle? We're throwing up. Is that a fake candle? It is a fake candle. Kenny, you can't do better than a fake candle. Gretchen! Come on, Kenny. Gretchen! Kenny, what's going on?

Hold on. You want to see our real candle? We just bought it. Sure. I would love to see your real candle. Sure. Let's see the real candle. Oh, we're on the move. Nice house right there. Okay. So to the audio listeners, we're going through Kenny Mayne's house. It's beautiful. What is your interior decorator? That's Sports Center, buddy. That's a large candle. Beautiful wainscotting. Wait, there's Gretchen. Yeah, yeah,

Hey, Gretchen. Hey, Gretchen. All right. Look. They wanted to see our candle. They were pissed about this candle. They thought it was beneath us. I mean, it is, though. Oh, the fake one? I know. It's pretty bad. Sorry. I have a real one I can stick in there instead. We're trying to save the environment by buying fake candles made from plastic or something. Do you want a real candle? No, they're good. Okay.

You welcome us into your home, and now we just shame your decoration and make you feel guilty about the environment as well. That's excellent. You want to go outside where we can throw wiffle balls? Let's do this. What do you want to do? You want to challenge our group here? Is that what we're doing? We've got a setup. I saw somebody setting up in the other room, and it looked like a radar machine was clocking things in the other room. Yeah.

Are we on a time deadline? We could just go on forever, right? Well, no. I mean, yes. Yes, go ahead. Because I love this show and I care about Fubo TV and my show, Whiffleball, and I have a Whiffleball. I always have some in my hand. This little thing, it's like a stress reliever, casino dice. So like when I did SportsCenter, I always had a pen or a dice or something and would –

It's like a pacifier, I guess. So this time it's a wiffle ball and I'm going to go outside in my bare feet. It's 37 degrees, but we're doing it.

And also, Gretchen made me switch shirts. What do you think of this? I should have worn this, right? Careful with that candle. Careful with the camera. Why? The candle, not the camera. You don't want to catch anything on fire. You don't want anything to catch fire. That fabric looks flammable. We're going back. We're back on the move. We're going back through his house. Here we go. So he's in his backyard, ladies and gentlemen.

Beautiful landscaping. There it is. Look at fall. That's what it looks like, guys. He's mentally tougher than us. He sure is. Did you show the clip where I went back? We never even talked about the stupid movie, did we? We just kind of like... What we didn't talk about is the state of America. You avoided that deftly.

That's what we did for that. It's not time. We can't do anything about it right now. That's a good point. You know what? You got me cornered, man. Okay. Just throw a wiffle ball. Then let's laugh until fire fills the sky. Go ahead. Just waste our time. Go ahead. Waste our time throwing a wiffle ball in the movie.

At the beginning, I tell the Dick Williams story. Remember Dick Williams, the crusty old manager, Oakland A's, and he was with the Mariners. Sure. And I went up to him on day one. I'm a nervous reporter. I'm like, I was trying to do a joke out of the gate. Dick, is it just me or have you had trouble purchasing wiffle ball equipment this spring? And there was just utter death, the worst death ever. And he goes, I go, you know, the plastic bat thing, the yellow. I know what wiffle ball is. Your joke's not funny. Oh.

So then I transitioned to, tell me about your middle relief. All right. So I went to Driveline Baseball, Kent, Washington, where they train real athletes, baseball players, trying to top the number that I did with Griffey on inferior equipment. And by the way, it wasn't even a real wiffle ball. So I took a real wiffle ball, went at my age, 35 years later, to try to beat my old number. And I did. The theory was it's a lighter ball and better equipment for judging it.

So I challenge your young people who should be able to beat me. They're probably 30 years my junior, right? I'm like a senior citizen. At least, Kenny. 69. Aren't you actually a senior citizen? Or is it 65 or 70 that's a senior citizen? You know what? Go f*** yourself.

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interview me and then not run it on the same day. That's stupid. Nonsensical, you're right. Stugatz! Why are you leaving? Why am I even doing this interview? I should be like on a live program. What the f***? You tricked me. F*** you, Dan Lovitar. This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz. Stugatz.

I threw 69. I thought I could get higher. I think your young people at 46 feet, it was Little League distance, should be able to. I'm going to throw one by just so you hear the wiffle ball noise because this is fun. Let's see. Okay, let's see if this works as audio because you're going to have to be accurate.

Oh, snap. You almost hit the camera. Okay. He almost hit the camera, ladies and gentlemen. It was very accurate. It was very fast. The audio wasn't exceptional. There was a little bit of speed on it. There was a whiff. Do you have a time? That was 73.

I don't believe you. I believe... Where's the camera that shows us the measurement? The right smile kind of gave the game away. You know how hard it is? Because I've done first pitches at baseball games several times, and I still think I have a decent arm, not what it was 40 years ago. I couldn't even hit... I was like 68, 72, at best 73. Those pitchers...

How they do it, the mechanics of it, I'm still just mystified by it. Like how they get up in the 90s and over to 100. They're also 21 years old and 6'5", 240. But the only thing I can still do is throw a football like 40 and then I'm still pretty good. But the elasticity is gone.

I'm in my senior years. I'm not playing from the senior tees, though. I'll tell you that much. We're way back at the whites or the blues. But you care so little about this particular competition that you're not going to give us an honest time of what it is that you just threw. You're just making up the number 73. I have a radar gun at my house. I thought we were doing something for your documentary to promote it. I thought you were going to put some effort into this. To be fair, Kenny, it is a really nice house.

69, terrible candles. 69 is the number I hit last April, a year ago, April.

69, they got to try to beat, you got to throw it 40 feet or so toward the mound. They wanted me to come up with a prize. I have a highlight, two highlight cestas and a pelota. I'm not giving those up. I have a swine wiffle ball from Ken Griffey Jr., but it faded and you can't see the signature anymore, but it's in a glass case. I have a champagne bottle from the Seahawks championship when they beat Denver.

I'm not giving that up either. I will do a personal voicemail to the winner.

Because I'm so famous. And I'll say, hey, this is Kenny Mayne, famous guy. And so-and-so, whatever your name is, beat me at wiffle ball. And that'll be his or her outgoing message. That's the best we could come up with. Okay. A lot of effort and thought and ideas have been poured into this great competition. Let's go out into the other room here and see who we've got. We've got a Pop-Tart. We got Frankie from security. We got Roy from

and we got Jessica out there. Willow is also out there. That's a dog. Is Roy going to go first? Who's got the first? It appears Roy's going first. He's going right now. Roy prides himself on his arm. The windup and the pitch. That looked hard. 58. 58 miles an hour. Right again. A warm-up throw. All right, the Pop-Tart's going to go now. Okay, he says you're going to be able to try again. Now, hasn't Jessica claimed to have a giant arm that can throw oranges 100 yards? Jessica claims to have a giant arm. She's out there on Willow Watch.

Now the Pop-Tart throws. Oh, the Pop-Tart. The costume was inhibiting. 59. Not bad for a Pop-Tart. Roy, you're going to get another shot at this. We're going to go through a couple of times. I'm really hoping that Jessica throws something 104 miles an hour. All right. Roy's going here for the second throw. With a windup. And the pitch.

I think Roy needs more leg action. You're kind of nonchalant, Roy. They're going normal pitching, whereas can they do crow hops here? Could they do it as if they're an outfielder? No, no, no, no. I mean, we didn't go over that rule, but I thought it was a wind-up. What do you mean, nope? You got in there and you started making rules aggressively all of a sudden. What do you mean you can't do a crow hop? Go ahead, Pop-Tart. Do whatever you want, Pop-Tart.

Wind up. 37. 37. Pop-Tart deals. He's not very accurate. 57. Jeremy was a high school, like, all-county pitcher, too. Oh, that's Jeremy. The Pop-Tart. All right. They're only, like, 10 feet away from the couch. If I stood against my house and just three feet away, I think...

I think I can get a bigger number. But we're still getting 59s and not coming anywhere close to beating you. Here comes Jessica here. She is about to throw. Again, she says she can throw an orange 100 yards, the length of a football field. Oh, that was a good throw. 43 miles an hour. Again, not enough leg action. I feel like they're not using enough torque, Dan. I feel like we should bail on the entirety of this if no one is going to hit. Oh, now Chris Cody. Chris Cody.

Chris Cody. Physical challenge dude. Okay, let's see what we've got here. Oh, he's stretching, ladies and gentlemen. I didn't see anyone stretch. I didn't see the pop-dart stretch for sure. No, this seems like a liability issue, too. There are a lot of people here who can hurt ligaments, a rotator cuff. Something can be caused here. Chris is about to throw the wiffle ball. This is the final throw.

Oh, that was good. 60. 60 miles an hour. 60. So nowhere near where it is Kenny Mayne. Look at him. The smug, smug look of arrogance. Look how little effort he made.

Is it really only 10.06 Eastern? Like, we've really only been on for 20-some minutes. That feels like two or three hours. Yeah, you said you were going to waste our time. We just got 67 miles an hour from Chris Cody, but I think he hurt his hand, and there it is. I don't believe it. Yeah, the liability issue I knew was coming. Who was that? Is that Frankie? No, that's Roy. That's a sweaterless Roy. Yeah, Roy took off his sweatshirt. My arm is killing me right now. I feel like Giannis after that three minutes.

What happened? We didn't even get a reading for that one from Roy. No, because... You should feel tingling all the way down your arm. I feel it in my wrist. My wrist is killing me. Jeremy thinks the Pop-Tart was the problem, so now it's 61 miles an hour. All of this... I'm going to throw another one at my computer. Okay. What are we doing now? Now we're just wasting everybody's time. All right. No one is having proper respect for what it is that we're doing around here. Kenny doesn't... Oh! Oh!

He hit the camera! He hit the camera! Kenny, thank you. Wiffleball. I'm still here. Still going, guys. Hold on. I want to tell you about my next documentary. 8 p.m. Eastern on Fubo. Fubo, the documentary is called Wiffleball. Thank you, Kenny. Good seeing you. Good talking to you. Always nice seeing your face. Thanks for the warm introduction. You're welcome. He's very strange, and he's the worst contestant in the history of Dancing with the Stars. Chris Cody's really hurt.

I know he is. I told you guys that that was a bad idea. Thank you, Kenny. See you later. Thank you. I mean, I wanted to talk to you a little bit about what is happening tomorrow night.

between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul. Yes. Because I said the other day when we were talking about this, and I said it matter-of-factly, that I thought that the combination of streaming getting into live sports combined with fame and the currency of pop culture people are talking about you is

Jake Paul and Mike Tyson cover a wide swath of real estate on fame for four decades, right? Because if Tyson's... Tyson's been famous since he's 20 years old. Since the 80s. Since he's 20 years old, Tyson's been famous. Jake Paul's been famous for close to a decade. And so there's a lot of...

So somebody now beats Jeremy Mayne. Jeremy just hit 72. Now Kenny Mayne throws 72 miles an hour. 72? I got it up to 65. No one has proof of that.

I thought you were Frankie before. That's what he said. What? When you took off your hoodie and I thought you were Frankie because you were far away from the camera. I didn't want to call Dan out on that, but he has now since revealed himself to be racist. If I had said that. You've known me for 20 years. I know. It's my glasses. Don't take it personally. I don't see color.

I hurt my elbow a little. Yeah, it seemed like a terrible idea. I need Tommy John. I didn't warm up. It was bad. But 43, not bad for someone that's never thrown a wiffle ball before. A terrible idea, poorly executed because there were injuries and we didn't get the payoff because Jeremy didn't throw it 72 miles an hour until we were off air and Kenny Mayne was gone. Now Rose is going.

Rose, very half-hearted. I don't really want to do any more play-by-play of that room. You guys can stop going to that room whenever it is that you want. We've gone to it about ten times too many already. That was really fun, though. Yeah, I know it was fun. So fun that when Chris Cody ran back in here, forgot we were live, forgot we still had a show to do, just came in dancing because he threw a ball hard and forgot that he had a job to do and hurt his arm on top of that.

So Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, huh? Yes. Well, the thing that I wanted to ask you, because I said it flippantly last week, is I think that will do bigger numbers than Tom Brady's roast. Tom Brady's roast was the biggest thing that Netflix has had in comedy. They don't release exact numbers, but Netflix was very happy with that foray into live streaming.

And the future, as we all know, of money in this business, a business that's changing rapidly, by the way, like changing in enormous ways where it seems like Amazon and Netflix are just going to buy everything up and they're going to be in control of content for a while. Netflix is getting into the game with a Friday night event that is going to have, I think,

More talk and publicity around it than when Chris Rock went live and they're trying to change live and streaming and comedy there. And the Tom Brady roast where they're going live on content. I think this has the chance to be the biggest live thing that Netflix has done just because of...

How many people it could get into the tent with just what is this circus act? It has next to nothing to do with boxing, but I don't want to spend too much time either mocking it or even analyzing the character of the two people doing it.

this to make all this money but as like the apocalypse happens all around us and we try to dismantle the government this is the perfect spectacle for the stupidity of our times like to throw this in jerry world and just say sure let's everybody gather around the tv and empty our head with empty calories well i think well first of all it's i think it's going to do bigger than the the brady roast for the simple reason that you have their stakes here the stakes are

One, how many people want to see Jake Paul just get punched in the face really, really hard? And two is, all right, what is the definition of the upper limit on age for an athlete? Because beyond the people who want to see Jake Paul get knocked out, myself included, there is a curiosity. It's like, okay, Mike Tyson, the most feared man on the planet, is he still that at 58? Yeah.

Should we still fear him in that same way? I'm of the belief, having been face-to-face, eye-to-eye with Mike Tyson in a less than friendly environment, that that never fades.

It never goes away. He's always going to be terrifying. Wait, what happened with you and Mike Tyson? I've told this story before. I'm not familiar. For the uninitiated. Briefly. Catch me up. Briefly. All right. So I'm walking through a bar in Scottsdale, Arizona, and it's really packed. And as you're walking past the bar, there are people leaving the bar, turning around with drinks, right? So as I'm squeezing by, just trying to get through to the back, someone turns with their drinks. I bump into them. The drink splashes. It splashes all over Mike Tyson.

What a nightmare. He turns around, and this once-packed bar all of a sudden is deserted. It's like the Wild West, and it's just me and him, and everyone's about 100 feet back. And I'm staring at him, and he's staring at me, and he's short. That's what a lot of people don't realize. He's not a tall guy. Yeah, Jake Paul's bigger. I'm bigger. How short are we talking? I'm taller than Mike Tyson. He's about 5'10", I think. Not 5'10". No one's 5'10". Not 5'10". No one's 5'10".

I'm looking at him. I thought no one's 5'11", I thought. I thought no one's 5'11". Some people are 5'11". I don't trust 5'10". You think he's not 5'10"? He's not 5'10", for sure. What is he listed at, Roy, please? 5'10". Terrifying. And I think Jake Paul's up to close to 2%.

240 now. When we did Las Vegas... Feet tall? No. When we did Las Vegas, I walked past Jake Paul, who was at the hotel that we were at, and I was stunned at how big this guy was. I did not know that. He's bigger than me. So...

He splashed with the drink. I'm looking at him, and the black lights in the bar are making his tattoo, which at this point was still pretty new, glow. What a gnarly visual. Oh, my God. And he's furious. There's no part of this. And it's clear in my face. I didn't do it. But he's looking at me like I just said, hey, asshole. And I just doused him with a drink. So he's looking at me, and I'm looking at him. He's looking at me. I'm looking at him. I'm like, what do I do? What do I say? What do I do? And somewhere in the back of my mind, something said, Amin,

Mike Tyson converted to Islam. So I say, Salaam Alaikum, brother. And he grabs me by my forearm and pulls me in real close, real sharply, and his hand

mouth is right by my ear and he says, "Alaikum Falaam" and I'm like, "Ahh!" 'cause I thought he was gonna bite my ear off. I really did. And then he released me and I scurried away. And the next time I saw Mike Tyson was two years later when my buddy said, "Hey, we're going to a New Year's party in Vegas."

Come to this address. I go, I ring the doorbell and it's Mike Tyson. How do you have multiple Mike Tyson stories? I have another one. He's just in Arizona all the time? When I was seven years old, I met Mike Tyson. It's crazy. I met Mike Tyson like four or five times in my life. Every time has been a wildly different experience.

And there's never a point in this where there's any recognition. Not that he should, but you think you should remember your his encounters with you when you were seven? You look like a kid I knew once upon a time. I want to talk about the the history of Mike Tyson. But as it applies specifically to the fight that you're going to be watching, the sports of it.

Can you guys get for me, I'd asked the production team to find the audio of Mike Tyson's last actual fight, not the one against Roy Jones Jr., but the last fight of his career where he fought a person who was a really mediocre boxer, a boxer that was a professional, but

was not in any way any good and Mike Tyson embarrassed himself. It was a shell of the person that people had been watching for 20 years. Even the one who lost to Buster Douglas didn't look like this. I don't know if we have the right sound of that

But let me hear that interview and do me the favor of finding me the name of the opponent, some of the information about the opponent, and when that fight was. Because I think this is about 15 years ago or something like that. Mike Tyson telling you he doesn't have the stomach for any of this.

Did you want to continue? Well, I would like to continue, but I saw that I was getting beat on. I realized I don't think I have it anymore because I got the ability to stay in shape, but I don't got the fighting guts, I don't think, anymore. When did you recognize that? At what part of the fight? I don't know. Early into the fight.

I'm just sorry I let everybody down. I don't have this in my heart anymore. - Did you feel as though you had it coming into the fight? - No, I'm just fighting to take care of my bills basically.

I don't have the stomach for this kind of no more. I'm more conscious of my children and those guys looking at my appearance. I don't have that ferocity. I'm not an animal anymore. Does that mean we won't see you fight again? Yeah, most likely I'm not going to fight again. I'm not going to disrespect the sport anymore by losing to this caliber of fighters.

Okay, and what he said at the end, this caliber of fighter, it was shocking to watch that, which was Mike Tyson taking a beating the entirety of a fight against somebody who stunk. That was 19 years ago.

19 years ago, that's Mike Tyson talking about losing badly to a mediocre fighter. And so I don't think this will tell us about anything about Jake Paul as a fighter, but I'm genuinely curious about whether Jake Paul can just take a barrage from Mike Tyson. There are different rules for this fight than the normal fight. The gloves are more gentle than normal gloves. The rounds are shorter. There are fewer rounds for this fight.

than a normal fight. But you guys think you're going to see what? Because the betting money keeps coming in on Jake Paul, correct? Dude, Mike Tyson had to stop camp because his body was giving out on him. And there's all sort of ambiguity surrounding the health episode that he had in camp. He's an older man. Jake Paul is in prime physical condition. He just needs to run around for a little bit. And Mike Tyson's going to be tired.

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