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Let's go around the room and say what you want the shadow show to be. Amin, you go first. Over. Oh, okay. I second that. Third, I don't get this. I don't. I mean, I know it exists in the podcast, right? Yes. So everything that we say does go to the big podcast audience. There's no visual cue to the people watching on YouTube. And most people probably just have us saying,

in their office until they actually see something on the screen and then they know to put the volume up. - So that's the funny thing 'cause Dan bills it as this is for the YouTube audience, the early arriving YouTube audience. But I'm not a YouTube consumer. I consume it via audio. It's in the audio.

So this is basically the show. It's not a shadow show. It's in no shadows. It's out there in the light. It also started as like a little comment here or there and a joke and then we'd start. But recently it's just, we've just been talking about Monday night football and the Sunday night game and we're doing whole segments. I think on Monday we played the clip of the Utah AD in the shadows. We did. We played video on something that we don't have video for. We're working more. You should see what Jeremy looks like today, but you can't.

Because this is the shadow show. You haven't lived until you've seen Jeremy Taché make excuses for the Miami Heat while dressed as a Pop-Tart. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Well, it's a shadow show. No one's watching. Or are they? I don't know. We're talking about what we're going to talk about. And that is one thing we're going to talk about on the show today. No, but talking about what we're going to talk about would make sense. We're just talking about it when we do the shadow show. None of what we do in the shadow show makes any sense. Because it was supposed to be like,

a minute of like, "Hey, how's everybody doing before the show starts?"

And then it turned into five minutes and a topic. And then it turned into, hey, let's do an entire segment, but not on camera. So we forced our video team to start putting it on camera because otherwise we were all doing an extra segment of show for no reason. That's not a shadow show because it goes on the audio podcast. So we're just giving extra show for no reason. None of it makes any sense. We've broken Jeremy. Let me play devil's advocate here. What if the shadow show?

was kind of like in the batter's circle. You're taking some practice swings. You're not actually at bat. We have our donut on our back. Oh, so like I try out takes here? Yeah. Here's a question. Except it goes out to the whole audience. To go one step further. Yeah. Yeah.

Why do we need it at all? Why can't we just start the show like we've done for a long time? Because the at-bats count at that point. No, you need some practice swings on the batter's side. You've got to tune up the band. Shawn Michaels doesn't just throw a super kick. I mean, he might if Shelton Benjamin's jumping off the top rope and it's a surprise move, but he likes to tune up the band so everyone in the crowd knows he's powering up. And that's exactly what we have to do. I have no idea.

what you're talking about. I understood all of it. Shelton Benjamin, Monday Night Raw. Shouldn't the audience know when the show starts? Yeah, tuning up the band would make sense if it was a minute. I feel like the cast members, man, Jeremy, you have no peripheral vision and this is going to be tricky. Yeah, yeah.

You're already talking over everybody, not getting queues. We should know when the show starts. Yeah, I often don't know when we're doing show. The show hasn't started yet. This is the shadow show. Except it's going to the whole audience. If there are consequences, we're on. The whole audience sees Aaron Judge take them bullshit practice swings at the batter circle. This is not the batter circle. This is BP. This is batting practice before the game. I disagree. This is AB. This is an AB. No, this is not AB. This is an official AB. This doesn't count. If we can get fired for what we're talking about.

out then no but look i used to go to marlins games for bp fans are around so fans can see bp if i start throwing middle fingers up and during bp it's still i'm still gonna see repercussions there you go that's a great example some people can watch it the people that show up early like for bp exactly can watch this i've got all the middle fingers out and my pants are down yeah there are no consequences at least visually sorry jess but if i say something about a partner

then we're in trouble. Yeah. That's how it works. Another problem with the shadow show, when do you end it? Now that one, I'm 100% with you. You know what? Let's end it now. Okay. This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stukas Podcast.

Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Executive producer Chris Cody, what would you start with today? Have you given consideration to the idea that you're running a show today that is made and built for America? You don't know what the Shadow Show is, even though you're supposed to be governing that, and everyone seems to be confused about what it is that I want from that. How would you start the show today? Would you start the show today with...

Deshaun Elliott calling the Dolphins soft.

No, I would start it with Caitlin Clark being one of us. Oh. And if she can shank a golf shot, anyone can shank a golf shot. She's playing. I thought you meant she also didn't like the shadow show. She doesn't know what it is for sure. But she was at some pro-am tournament and she's got a gallery full of people around her and she shanks one. She hits a low dart right in the crowd. And then the scary thing is she retees. Yeah. She takes a ball and goes right back to the tee. And you can see the

The gallery, like, oh my God, she's going again to start to move back. There was no part of her that did the, oh my God, I'm sorry. She's just like, damn, all right, let's go back at it again. It really hammers home all those points they were trying to make in that Pablo Torre finds out about. Maybe she's wired a little differently. You know what I mean?

I don't know why you said that that way. Wait, I don't know what you mean. I was about to say this was an LPGA pro-am that she played nine holes with Nelly Korda, who's like the best golfer in the world. So this is the shot. We're showing it right now. Thousands of people around her. So many people. She was signing autographs for like, I was going to say hours, but it probably wasn't hours. It wasn't like Dan at the Vegas show. It was slightly less time than that, but there was a ton of people there to watch her. Oh my God. That's dangerous. And look right back into the pocket. Yeah. She's like, oh, my bad. Not even a mile.

Not even my bad. There wasn't even like a, you're supposed to raise your hand like, sorry, right? I almost killed Placido Polanco shooting a shot just like that. Placido? That's a sentence. Yeah. He was playing golf with Chris Whittingham and I. We got paired together. And then in the back nine, he just dipped after almost. Look at me booing.

They're almost getting one in the temple. One of these days I want to go to these Tahoe trips. I just want to see it. No, this was actually in Mikisuki. Oh, wow. Okay. I'd like to go on one of them too, but right now they're just golf outings for Mike and Stugatz to spend a lovely time in Tahoe. I think we'd all like to go on those. Chris, when you're saying she is all of us, are you simply saying...

That in that instance, because you're not in that instance, I feel like all of us would have done something similar, which is you are now basking in the shame of everyone's watching you and you are an embarrassing failure. What you've done, you don't embrace that. You don't apologize. You just give me another shot so I can correct this.

give me another shot. I'm going to stare down at the tea and I'm going to just line it up again because I'm so ashamed. All of you are watching and I just did something terrible in front of you. To her credit, she piped the second one. So with that pressure, it didn't get to her. That might have been a breakfast ball for all we know. Was that the first hole? It's got to be a breakfast ball. But she choked. Love a BB. She choked, right? Yeah.

I mean, look, I'm a decent golfer. I have felt the first Tahoe shot I ever hit. I'm not used to a gallery. So even though Caitlin is used to this, it's just that when you're hitting a goal, you're used to swinging alone, and all of a sudden there's 1,000 people watching you. When Sue and I take our exclusive golf trip that is not at all to make content and no invites are invited to anybody else in the show, and I step over that hole on 17, my hands are shaking. Thankfully, I'm two for two, and I haven't killed anybody.

Nice. Ray Romano almost killed me. Ray Romano hit me really close to my midsection. Wow. You got...

Yeah, you know. It hit my inner thigh. We did a whole thing for weeks on it. Ray Romano joined us. They talked about how they extended family. Ray Romano drilled, I don't know why Chris Cody said my midsection. He almost hit him right in the balls. Right, I was trying to avoid that word. Midsection's not near the balls. It's your stomach now. Crotch is what I should have said. But you said almost like what you did. You could have just said balls. You put us so further away from what we were doing. Oh, cock.

Testicles. I was picturing like a kidney shot. Bollocks. Or like a stomach, like internal bleeding because it hit you in the stomach. He hit me in my upper inner thigh. Made it seem like a kidney punch, Grapefruits. Midsection, I feel like I'm not super wrong on this. It's a lower body injury if it hits you in the balls. Just kind of wrong. Midsection's an upper body injury. Huevos.

All right, let's analyze this for a second now, because if we're doing midsection, he's technically right, because midsection is under the nipples to the knees. Really? Thank you, Dan. But why is he hedging? Why is he being careful? He knows exactly where he got hedged on. I didn't want to say balls or cock. Okay, but what you ended up— There it is. You wanted it, and you got it. I didn't. I didn't want it. No, I shot. You shouldn't be saying that one.

Look, that's where it hit me. I didn't want it. It's a strike zone. Midsection. The problem with what you did is you were so afraid in today's America of saying the wrong thing. And I think that's the way we should be going. I think you should just run from all the Rogan boys. Just run screaming and scared because you can't say balls anymore.

Because that's how down the middle Chris becomes a lefty. Wait, are we the liberal Joe Rogan? Wow! We were the liberal Joe Rogan the whole time. Every time I saw that tweet, I'm like, we've been that! That's right. But now Joe Rogan's people are throwing rocks at us and Chris has to run scared and makes it the midsection and makes it so geographically confusing that now no one

knows where he was almost hit when the funniest place that he could have been hit is where he was hit. Hoo-ha. Hoo-ha is a good one. Technically, he is correct, I guess. It was your midsection, but it was not really a great descriptive word considering where it actually hit you. I hear midsection and I think you got hit in the abs.

That's what I think. Exactly. When I think midsection, because I'm being literal here and I'm doing strike zone, when I do midsection, it's nothing under the hips. But technically, if we're doing the body in thirds, the midsection has to go from knees to nipples.

That's almost, although you guys saw what Giannis did last night to celebrate his three-point shot. Did you see this? I did not see this. Okay. Sam Cassell did once upon a time the testicle dance. Giannis is a child and he was more overt. And so he just did a long swinging penis by putting his elbow at his waistline like he's got a giant penis. That's midsection. Right. I think it meant cock.

Dan, I think what you just uncovered is a new segment called Loopholes, right? Like what he did was hit the loophole because if you don't know, the big ball dance that Dan is referring to, that Sam Cassell used to do, was popularized by the movie Major League. Pedro Serrano, right? Was running around the bases and he was kind of juggling two large invisible testicles.

as he rounded the bases. Didn't Eddie House also get fined for that? Eddie House was the one, I think, was the straw that broke the camel's back. Like, we'll allow Sam Cassell to do it. Once Eddie started doing it, then it was a problem. So this dance has now been banned by the NBA. You do it, it's an automatic fine. So what Giannis did is he said, okay, you said no shirt, no shoes, no service. Nobody said anything about pants.

I'm walking in pantsless. You said no ball dance. Hey, I didn't. I never gestured balls or showed balls. All I did was point my arm low to the ground and let it swing back and forth. Hey, maybe it's just my my hand is dead. I mean, the detail that actually gets him out of trouble was he did three fingers at the end of the tip.

So it just looks like a three-point celebration, but he's definitely mimicking a giant penis. Yes, he is, because he's kind of pointing at it as it swings back and forth. He's pretty proud. It's got inertia to it. I'm with Amin. His hand could be asleep. And he's just trying to get the blood black into it. So he's just like, ah. You ever do that, Dan? You ever have your hand fall asleep and you just kind of shake it? Shake it. Did you say the blood black into it? Is that what you said? No.

No, he didn't. No one heard that other than you. I'm pretty sure that's what he said. Joe Rogan heard it. The video that I want to keep showing people is not just the Sam Cassell dance, but I also want to find the Eddie House dance because the Eddie House dance is where the balls dance went to die. But I feel like Giannis crossed the line, and it's not because I'm being sensitive. There's a lack of subtlety in this.

There's a lack of subtlety in this celebration that makes it not offensive to me as a cultural purist, offensive to me because it's a lame celebration. It doesn't have the subtlety I need to have a wiggling noodle as opposed to balls, as opposed to the more subtle dance that Cassell got fined for. We are not liberal, Joe Rogan, because we didn't lead with aliens. We led with Caitlin Clarke.

Who's an alien? The new Netflix documentary? Is that what you're talking about? No, I'm talking about what happened in Washington, D.C. yesterday, where a government official said we collected non-human biologics from a crash site, and a military person said, we're not alone. We're just not. There are other living beings in this universe, and we have to come to grips with that. But...

But yesterday was a big news dump, so it kind of got lost in the shuffle. That was the big news out of Washington yesterday. This is exactly what the government wants. You guys talk about other cabinet members. Meanwhile, we collected alien DNA. And so we're not going to do Top Cop Matt Gaetz resigning from Congress and evidently to avoid ethics committee report that will make Top Cop or would have made Top Cop the guy who was allegedly killed.

in young people over state lines. Like, we're not going to talk about any of that, right? No, we're not. To do that would make us the liberal Joe Rogan. No, I think we should stop talking politics and stick to sports. Well, I was saying...

Before, of Caitlin Clark, when it is that Chris was talking about just shame and embarrassment, I told Amin before the show that I missed him yesterday because the thing that happened at the end of the Miami Heat-Pistons game that triggered a lot of arguing around here, and I don't think that Billy is wrong when he says people should have perspective in the

If you lose game 10 of an NBA regular season, it shouldn't haunt you for the rest of your life. And the reason I know that I missed Amin yesterday is because I'm just certain that he agrees with me, having lived in the furnace facility that is competitive basketball, that

that it's going to be very hard to find a coaching mistake any of us have ever seen in that sport as embarrassing, shocking, and haunting as that one, where you're the buzzer beater mistake, where the coach makes the buzzer beater mistake that just ends the game because you're stewing in your own shame and shit in the middle of the court. And, Spoh, I've never seen him look like he lacked confidence more, shrinking inside himself as he, like, tail between his legs to the side.

because he realized what he had done. I mean, he realized that he had cost them the game before anybody else realized he had cost them the game. I've seen Spoh in many a post-game press conference, including playoffs and the NBA Finals. I've never seen him look that devastated. And what it is is exactly what you're describing. A lot of times you lose a game, you're like, well, the game wasn't lost on that play. We could have done this better, we could have done that better. But he knows.

There's no other place to point the finger. You pointed out yesterday. It's not that he didn't know that they didn't have any timeouts. He just, like from the moment they're in that huddle, talking about, hey, remember we don't have any timeouts, to what happened on that play that made him so furious that it was almost like a knee jerk reaction. Like in the cartoons back in the day, they hit you with the hammer on your knee and then you just kick. That's exactly what he did.

Bullshit happened on the court. Yeah, instinctually call the timeout because that's what I do. He messed up, but it wasn't, I know this is hard to believe. In his mind, I think his mistake was, damn it, Terry's still in. He's going to screw this up. Damn it, it happened. No, Terry, timeout. And instinctually he called the timeout that he didn't have, but the mess up was like personnel wise, he didn't get it right. You know what's funny?

They could have taken a delay, a delay, a game like he could. He could have just walked out onto the court and they would have called delay a game because you get one warning before they hit you with the automatic. But again, can you make a sub after a delay game, though?

Because that would be an unfair advantage. No, I don't think you can. Yeah, I'm sure the competition committee was like, someone's going to exploit that. Well, they had six people on the floor, so it was up to him. It's not actually a sub. It's like, oh no, that guy's a moviegoer. That's how you do it. Yeah, man. It's a game within the game, Dan. It's a game called Loopholes. Giannis won that game the other night. Spoh lost the Loophole game. Your thoughts beyond that, though, because the part about this that was so interesting to me, having watched...

You know, this building across the street is a military complex. It's like a it feels like a military facility. What Pat Riley's basketball military facility across the street where if you were to walk in there, it would be a bunch of people walking around from science lab to science lab to get into better shape because they got the cult over there that builds whatever it is that they build that wins basketball games.

uh... to watch at the and of that game somebody who came through the video department is now one of the five people who runs that multi billion dollar organization to watch in real time someone who learned with stan van gundy and pat riley how to be a crazy person about winning to watch him sink into

I'm a control freak who knows he controls only about 10% of what's happening once I give the basketball away. I'm a control freak.

When I'm at maximum rage, what am I going to do? Time out. The power comes right to me. He was so enraged by everything that had happened there that he grabbed his maximum control freak at a time where they were, you know, had to be shouting from the sidelines. Hey, you don't have any timeouts left. You've just gone. You've lost your mind because you wanted control again. And

The way you do it for 17 years is by stomping out on the court and saying, game's mine now. Everybody get over here. And you did it at the impossibly wrong time. Yeah.

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I want to try again to be liberal Joe Rogan. InfoWars has been purchased at auction by The Onion. No way. Yeah, I thought The Onion was making an article about this, but apparently it's so...

But I'm only the true liberal Joe Rogan if I actually got that wrong and I have to be corrected by a producer five minutes later. Can you guys get me the video, please? Because that was funny yesterday watching that go viral where evidently Alex Jones is sitting in the middle of just...

An awful apocalypse of his own making that sort of foretold everything that's happened in America since that that person through what he was doing could deny things like school shootings to have him in the middle of his what used to be his empire that birthed this nonsense that's happening in America right now.

That went viral because he was watching auctioneers wander around his facility putting tags on what had value because he owes so much money for his conspiracy theory doing that has fried the brain of America. Like, that's what was going viral yesterday was him sitting in the middle of what was an InfoWars empire watching auctioneers go around and put tags on the things in his studio that had value.

And you're telling me that The Onion has now purchased that facility and all things InfoWars? That's Secretary of the Interior Alex Jones, so just watch what you say. Watch your mouth. I don't even know if you're playing or if you're real right now, Jess. That's the scary part. Right? I don't know. You know, I'm sorry. I know we said we weren't going to talk politics. The Secretary of Defense one is the one that blew my mind. He got a news host.

Like, and look. That's the one that blew my mind. That one doesn't even register anymore. Honestly, that one does blow my mind. I'll tell you why. Here's why. Because I can hear people say, oh, that Matt Gaetz thing, that's a conspiracy. He never did any of that. That's just the liberal media. I can hear them say that. What I cannot hear is any actual explanation that a TV host said

Should be the secretary of defense should be in charge of generals and armies and and the Pentagon. I cannot like that's the part. Is there not a line for them over there? Them bar there across the aisle to say, hey, hold on. What are we doing?

I think we're long past that point. But they won. They got it all. You have it all, right? No, you have it all. It's yours. What is it about aliens? Do it what you please, but not that. You guys just want to ignore. We collected DNA that was non-human. Who

Who cares? And I don't think they meant a parrot was at this crash site. Okay? There was a crash site. I mean. Whoa. There was non-human DNA in this crash site that we collected. And you're over here talking about shanked golf shots and attorney generals. None of that matters. We are not alone. What form of DNA do you think it was? Green person. Not what kind of. No, I'm saying what type of DNA from the green person was it? Because when I hear DNA at a crime scene.

Are you suggesting that this is... Yes, that's what he's suggesting. I mean, what voice was that earlier that you just did? Bane. Not a good Bane, though. That was a Bane? Yeah, the, do it as you please! I thought it was pretty good. I tried! I thought it was Sean Connery. Wow. Did you know that Christopher Nolan says the sequence that he's most proudest of in his career is the opening sequence of Dark Knight Rises? I believe it. Man, that's a great sequence. They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother. Yeah.

She's such a better Bane than you. I know. I didn't say I was good at it. How dare you go in front of her Bane with that Bane, though? That's the master Bane. Master Baner. She's got a different Bane, though. A better Bane. The best Bane. It's also different. It's not just regular Bane. It's Bane with an edge. You keep crafting your bad Bane character. Okay. Keep working on it. Bad Bane-y. None of us knew why it is that he... Bad Bane-y? I mean, seriously. Like...

What about the bomb exploding in Ovid? I think that that's more of a cinematic achievement. You think bad Bane-y was bad. I got whispered in my ear, won't give away who said it, Desmond Bane. What is this, Bane Capital? Jeremy said that to me too. We keep talking about Bane.

As if we couldn't tell who told you. As if we all couldn't point at the Pop-Tart and know who the bad pun came from. But the open of that movie was so good that I remember where I was. I remember what seat of the theater I was in when I watched The Dark Knight Rises. Hot take. Not even the best opening sequence of Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. The Dark Knight opener is great. Where he robs a bank. Spectacular. Is Glenn Powell in that scene?

I think he is, yes. God, he's hot. Was he People's Sexiest Man or is it John Krasinski? John Krasinski. I thought I saw that Glenn Powell was People's Sexiest Man and then a day later. Liberal Joe Rogan says it's Benny Blanco. He read that somewhere. The internet not happy about Krasinski. They're like, what is this, 2014?

That's what the internet's saying. Okay. We're still efforting for that video, by the way. I am here, though. Wait a minute. That was Alex Jones. That's an... Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I am here. It's all I got. It's limited. No, but I know. I know. But don't run away from me yet because I want you to craft two impersonations for me because it's not even Alex Jones that I want you to perfect. The one I'd like for you to perfect is the internet.

You speaking as the character of the internet is what it is that I want. I want that character to burst to life and just be swelling, covered in boils, and just be an acid pit of here is the sound of the internet. What does the internet sound like? Does it sound like a Russian Alex Jones? Yeah.

I've given you guys the voice of the internet for years. It's whiny. Oh my God. That's the internet. What are you talking about? See, the problem is I went straight from internet into Alex Jones, so I already forgot how I did the internet. I got to go back and listen to it. Oh, I'm the internet. Was it something like that? No, that's a means. That's the same. That's Chad GPT, I think. Okay, this is from...

The New York Times, Dan, to give some context, it says the Onion said the bid was sanctioned by the families of the victims of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, who in 2022 won a $1.4 billion defamation lawsuit against Mr. Jones and his company, Free Speech Systems. Every town for gun safety, a nonprofit dedicated to ending gun violence that was founded in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting will advertise on a relaunched version of the site under the Onion. You know what? They missed a great opportunity.

They should have bought it anonymously and kept running it as if it's still InfoWars, but just...

infiltrate it with more and more ridiculous stories just to see how far people will believe what is happening. I was going to say that Amin is a classic critic, hater, second-guesser because he immediately gets information that is indisputably clever about the darkest of humor. The idea that the onion would be able to purchase with the sanctioning of the families because in the search of helping the families...

would purchase this joke of a thing that changed the way that the American news coverage happens because people were believing in conspiracies.

The idea that it would happen in real life and that Amin would say you could have used that power to then turn InfoWars into something else by working in the shadows and not telling people you were the onion, that's even funnier somehow. That InfoWars just overnight becomes satirical and it takes several months to be able to tell. I don't think that that's the height of dark comedy. I think the height of dark comedy is...

just giving that information while a Pop-Tart sits next to her. I was hoping that at some point today we would, he would have some very serious commentary while dressed as a Pop-Tart. Oh, don't you worry. I can do that whenever you want. Yes, I know you can. I do know that you can.

Do we want to talk at all about the Deshaun Elliott story? Yes. Oh my God, Dan, the Steelers have safeties that are talking shit. They have wide receivers that are acting weird. We got a pass rush. We have a run game. The Steelers are so back. Your enthusiasm is fun because you've got a deep passing game. Your offense is no longer constipated. The Steelers actually, people have been questioning how good the Steelers are for a few years, but because

because of the improvements they've made recently that include a coach making a really ballsy quarterback change, people are thinking the Steelers are more for real because they have deep ball possibilities in pickings than they have been. And,

I'm inclined to put down some of my doubt just because maybe Tomlin can get a little something out of Russell Wilson. But, Deshaun, this story, though, you never see this story, correct? Where all of a sudden, all over the locker room in Dolphin Land, reporters are spread out asking everybody, every single person in the facility, are you soft?

People who do that for a living. Wandering around, talking to the dolphins, asking them, are you soft? And I thought that Javon Holland had the best response.

Which is just like, it's just empty noise until you've named names. Go ahead and say that Javon Holland is soft. Go ahead and put names on it. Otherwise, you're just a guy yapping to get attention. The reason that this is a story is because he's accusing them of something that everyone has accused them of. Like, this has been thought of as a softer defense. So it's like, if he had called them bad tippers...

I don't think that this would have been a news story. It would have just been like, oh, they're probably not bad timbers. He's probably just... But he said exactly the thing that they are criticized for being. So it's definitely going to be something that they're asked about. Barry Jackson was just touching his nipples when that sound got heard. The part that I'm objecting to is... Besides that? Yes, beyond the Barry Jackson touching his nipples is...

Who among us is calling anybody in that sport soft? Like, what are we doing? What are we doing? I would never do that. On a spectrum. I would never see Blaine Gabbert flinching in the pocket and say he's soft. Never me. Nope. An entire team calling an entire team soft that you're no longer on in that sport. Look, we can talk about how they're built for finesse. He trusted Alec Engel. We could talk about them being built for finesse.

We can also talk about them being fast. I thought we were all of the understanding that when you go fast, you're going to give up size. You're going to give up physical. The way that they play football is physical.

Not to out-tough the next guy. You guys really believe that out-toughing is often a thing in the NFL? Yes, out-physicaling? 1,000%. The Ravens, the Steelers, they're more physical. Not out-physicaling where you have, no. Isn't that like a synonym?

Well, no, you're making them synonyms. I am not. When you say someone's soft, it's not because they're too weak-minded to actually conquer you with their strength. It's because they're physically not strong enough. When you're getting manhandled, when everyone in the league is getting manhandled by the Lions offensive line or on the Tush Push, the Eagles offensive line, it's because they're too weak-minded.

It's because Lane Johnson is stronger than everyone in the league. Not tougher. Physically stronger than every single person who's across from him. And so was Kelsey. Okay, I guess if you peel back the layers and you get down in the nitty gritty, I get what you're coming from. And he did say mentally soft, which is a distinction. But I think that you can...

look, Miami's a team that's built for speed and finesse, and they made off-season choices that only leaned more into that. So I think that you can certainly deduce that there are teams that are physically tougher than the Miami Dolphins. Is he doing a cold weather thing? Mm.

Maybe. Perhaps. I believe that cold weather people are tougher. I believe that. Well, then we all agree with him. Rust Belt. That's what they want. Wow. All right. We might be liberal to Rogan. Put it on the poll, please, at Levitard Show. Are cold weather people tougher? Yes. I don't think of my... Gosh, can I say this about Miamians? Do I think of Miamians as tough?

We are not tough. I am not tough, and my father came down here particularly because he's not tough. In fact, my father said, why would I ever want to die a hero? I'd rather live as a coward. There are people that are tougher in South Florida in certain actions. I'm saying generally in Kendall, not the toughest. I feel like this is a confidence that comes just for playing for Mike Tomlin and the Steelers. You go to Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, you just instantly feel tougher than everybody else.

He's looking around, and he just, the uniforms we wear, the way our fans wave those towels, we're tougher than you. That team's soft. Mike McDaniel, too quirky. Let's examine this for a second, because Kendall is the hood, according to Alex Rodriguez. He did grow up in the hood with me. And Kendall. We both grew up in the hood. I want to talk about this for a second, because the examination of a sports entity and us thinking,

Those people seem mentally not tough. Those people who are doing that thing for a living that is pretty difficult. I find it pretty consistently exasperating that any of us would do that. But when a person who has lived in that world comes out of the locker room and gives voice to it, even if people don't know who this person is, all of a sudden it becomes, oh, this is a way to talk about the dolphins. This is interesting. Let's run through the locker room rubbing our nipples and ask every single dolphin to

hey, you guys aren't tough, right? This guy said you guys aren't tough. When they're halfway through a season that breaks all of those bodies, like all of them are limping through that facility, and that's the question they're being asked midweek because we need the context. Tua literally said at a press conference, I don't care. I love it to the death of me. That's right. His brain, that's right. The guy with the brain problem in the middle of that is saying, yep, I'm in the middle of this, and I'm giving my brain to the cause, and you think I'm not tough. Dan, I think...

When we're talking about this, we have to clarify. Like Chris said, it's a spectrum. Like to us, of course, it's like when NBA players say, oh yeah, how many points have you scored in the NBA? Well, you're not comparing to me. If you were, you wouldn't be in the league either. The comparison is against your peers. And so these are peers talking amongst each other. It's like if Steph Curry told Klay Thompson, you're not that good of a shooter. To Steph Curry, he's not. To the rest of us, obviously, he's way better than anyone we've ever seen in our lives. So...

When they say this, when Elliott says this, he's saying it within the context. You can't say, those guys are walking around hurting. Of course he knows that. His team's doing the same thing. All right, let me play the sound for the audience so we can hear this in his own words.

So this will be fun. This will be very fun. I haven't been able to play against Baltimore the way I wanted to because last year I played for a team that was soft as ****. I mean, oh my God, I can't put that on there. That was pretty soft. The guys on the team, but there were some guys who were tough, but like for the majority of the team, there was not...

mentally tough individuals um so to be on a team with the full team of mentally tough guys going against another uh mentally tough team and afc north ball you know this is going to be it's going to be fun man i have told this story a couple of times and i will tell it again just because we're all in agreement right that ricky williams is a football player was pretty tough yes yeah

Some would say mentally wasn't tough. He couldn't do it. He didn't quit on his team. Right. Okay. So the reason I asked the question is because the image of him gets distorted. I always thought that he was too gentle a spirit to exist in that world, but he had more rushing yards than anyone in the history of running a football in college and then gets to the pros and Ditka trades all his draft picks for him. He's walking through the Raven locker room and he's saying...

with Ed Reed and Ray Lewis in the room, I feel like a rabbit among wolves. That those two people are not built in any way the way that I am built.

Ricky Williams was tough enough to carry a ball 400 times a season in that sport and go looking for Roy Williams in your secondary because he wanted to bully him. He was tough enough to do that. So I ask you, why do you think that you can hit a football team with so many different personalities with an allegation like they're soft at football? I'm a little confused because I think even Ricky Williams, while we all admit, is tough. He's admitting nothing.

that there are degrees of toughness. Agreed, but that's a team locker room right there. Yes, that seems what happens. I don't doubt that the Dolphins are tougher than us, but I don't think that they're tougher than the Steelers. Dan, I'm pretty sure Terry Rozier was the best basketball player in middle school that he ever played against, probably in high school. In college, he was really good. And then you get to the pros, and you're like, oh, shit.

There are a lot of people who are good like this, right? Like Zachary research of the Atlanta Hawks said this other day, he said in Europe, I was the most athletic guy and here I'm just a dude. And so perhaps when it comes to Ricky Williams, yes, he's tough in high school. Yes. He's tough. The toughest in college, but you get to the pros and you see Ray Lewis, you see it really. Oh,

No, I'm not tough like that. Not like that. I'm tough. I'm not tough like that. So you tell me who we could look at in the NFL because you guys are doing a different thing than I'm willing to do. What's that? I'm not looking at the Philadelphia Eagles when they're physically mauling everybody on both sides of the front of the ball. I'm not looking at that and saying they're tougher than everybody.

I'm looking at it and saying they've got a number of physical gifts that work together that are physically stronger than everybody. I think there is a ceiling on tough on people who play those positions. They say of defensive linemen, for example, they say of offensive linemen, they're the guys who can put your refrigerator together. The defensive linemen are the ones who would tear it apart with their teeth.

They say that? Everyone there is tough. Yes. The thing that is said in that sport in terms of the difference between the two positions is one has a mentality that tears things apart. The other has a mentality that puts things together. Who builds refrigerators? And this is a thing they say. Frigidaire.

The offensive linemen build refrigerators. You and I should know that. We love fridges. William the Fridge Perry. Dan, Mike McDaniel's response was also very funny. He said, I just worry about this year's team. He said it on a podcast. Cool podcast.

This is manna from heaven for Coach McDaniel. You know who they're playing next? This is chum to throw at the locker room. The Raiders. And the Raiders, historically, tough. You know, the autumn wind. It's a pirate down.

It's man from heaven is what it is. Man, I'm going to out-tough you. It's not man out front. So you guys are just— There are tougher players in the league, dude. I don't know what to tell you. I look at James Harrison and I look at Willie Williams and I say, yeah, James Harrison, tougher. Now you may argue, well, he's bigger and stronger. And I will say, good point. That's what makes him tougher, Dan. I would argue that nobody listening to this would argue that the Chiefs won the Super Bowl for the reasons that had to do with toughness.

That was a tough defense. Chris Jones would like a word. Yeah, Chris Jones. Tough. Physically strong. Unbelievably strong. I mean, if we're just doing a weather thing. Pacheco's tough. Wait, there are bigger running backs than Isaiah Pacheco. And no one really in the league can replicate his running style right now. He's unique.

So how do you explain that? That's not just a physical attribute, Dan. He's not bigger and stronger than everybody else at the position. He's tougher. I'm still doing a weather thing here. I think that the Chiefs won because they were mentally tougher when it was negative 30 degrees in Kansas City. They were mentally tougher on that blocked field goal last weekend. They were mentally tougher. Yeah.

You're moving the goalpost here, Dan. You mentioned the Chiefs. We give you examples of guys that are tough. Thank you. You gave me examples of guys in football who are tough. Yeah, Pacheco. How did you possibly come up with examples in football of guys who are tough? I don't know what you're doing. You're saying they're not tougher, they're bigger and stronger. Okay, agree to disagree. I think that makes you tougher. No, what I am saying is let's go ahead and do it. Let's do this right now.

Let's go through the recent champions and you give me the champions that you think won because they were tougher. Like you give me where that was. The Philadelphia Eagles, a quarterback by Nick Foles. They were tougher. And that was a really tough team that they went up against. But in the trenches, they were physically tougher and dominant. And I think toughness is an attribute that you can assign to them. And do you know why they were tougher?

Because Nick Foles had an arm that was hanging between his legs that he pointed to with three fingers on it. I don't know how you make the distinction tougher when I'm like, and that's the best offensive line I've ever seen.

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