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I saw a few people giving props and credit to Bruce Pearl for confronting a situation straight on that I have not seen a lot of coaches have to confront before, which is an Auburn program that has gotten very good, had a flight derailed from where it is that it was supposed to be going because players were fighting on the plane.

I would say that this is one of the places when you learn that your program is indeed getting good. But Bruce Pearl had to, well, not Bruce Pearl,

Flight regulations made it so that once you've got being shouted to air traffic control from pilots, the problem that you have on your plane, you cannot just keep going with people fighting on your plane. So, Jessica, I know you're you are our flight correspondent. You are obsessed with flight with pilots.

planes and with travel. I don't have all of the details on this story. Please inform me because I can't wait to get all the details on the story. And I'm hoping that we have, are we calling it cockpit sound? I'm hoping that we have. We do. We have, we have air traffic control dispatches that Chris Cody is now going to play.

Yes sir, we have got an altercation on board. We knocked it a cleared emergency and land. We got a bunch of basketball players fighting. The flight deck is secure. The threat level is contained for the moment. We just had, well, police on the ground and we had two players that got into physical altercation. Clothes were ripped and one wasn't a player. And center 2681, it's kind of crazy. Will we direct Montgomery?

So this was en route to Houston where this fight broke out and you might be thinking, "Hmm, why do they have to turn a plane around for a fight?" But then I saw a picture of how small this plane was and there's a decent chance the pilots could feel the jostling around back there. This plane was probably rocking. It was a small plane and people were, body parts were flying, I guess, clothes were ripped.

And it kind of makes sense. They ended up flying back. They chartered a different flight, went back to Houston. Those players stayed behind. And then Auburn won and they celebrated by referencing this incredible moment. Yes, they're running around the court the way that Patrick Mahomes ran around the field yesterday when they won. Is it more

fun to run around with your arms spread like this. This is how Mahomes showed more joy on the field at the end of that blocked field goal. And I would ask this question via poll at Levitard Show. Can you have any faith in your athletic team when you're sending Lutz out there to do the winning? Someone named Lutz. I will take it one step further. I didn't realize until last week he only has one L in his first name.

That one slipped by me. Really? That one slipped by me for a decade. You thought it was a double L? Yeah. I mean, oh, I'm sorry. No, I'm just, I'm asking because how, the Lutz you were imagining was a double L. Are there a lot of double L's in last names that start a last name? No, Will. Will.

Will has one L. The first name has one L. See, you made the same. How many one L Wills do you know? I thought, well, he's got another L today. He thought it was like Lloyd, like two L's in the last name. Like Lutz or like Greg Williams. Why would you spell Will with one L? Like what's the parent thinking? You know, what's that short for? I mean, you spell Greg with one G. Well, but that's the norm. Did everyone know this? Am I in fact?

Did you hear this for the first time? I learned it when you said it. I never knew that. I thought you were talking about Lutz started his last name with two L's, and so now I'm just looking at ways to make jokes about L's because he got an easy field goal blocked. You're not expecting the 35-yarder to get blocked. It's a chip shot. You're expecting the 50-yarder to get blocked. You've got to get that low trajectory on those 50-yarders, and that's where those big boys can put up. But when you get that one, you've got that pop shot up.

It's just a great penetration by the line. Hell yeah. I need to go back for a second. We all didn't know Will Lutz had one L in his first name. Correct. Okay. That actually makes me feel a lot better because I don't play fantasy football anymore. When I saw it, I was like, I bet if I played fantasy, I would know this. So then I Googled it and I was like, maybe his first name is just W-I-L and not William. Or maybe it's William with one L.

But it's not. It's William with two L's. Then shortened to one L. Shortened to one L. That doesn't make any sense. No. Thank you. If anyone knows why this is the case, please let me know. It's been bugging me all week. Let all of us know. And in the interim, let's just hear Kevin Harlan's guttural reaction to this. He went and got it. He went and got it from under his ground. No!

He always does, though. Yeah, but this was a stunner. We weren't expecting that. I don't know what I expected. Maybe a miss. Is Kansas City going to get lucky here? I wasn't going to actually expect them to produce their own luck by blocking the field goal. I was as surprised as Harlan was. Ah!

Maybe the Chiefs will give him another L. I've already felt like I made that joke a couple of times with the L and you guys are not listening. He did it better? Yeah. He did it better? Okay. All right. When I do it, it's done. Okay. Me maximum. All right. All right. Let's see here. Whether it's a will or an L. Okay. Greg Cody, major penalty. Five minutes. Me maximum. Oh!

I'll serve that on Greg's behalf. That was my joke. Right. Wow. I haven't seen that happen around here before, but we're making our own rules. I haven't seen Greg deliver a line I've delivered in his ear before. Thank you. So, really, good teamwork. Yeah, it really is. Or bad teamwork that's getting you penalized. It's on me. I wasn't going to throw you under the bus. No, that's totally on me. Okay. Way to go, Greg. Thank you. Good team player. Yeah.

I wanted to talk with you and Mike Ryan about what happened to Enter Miami on Friday because...

Saturday. Saturday. Thank you. It's the highest paid team in the sport. It's the best regular season team there's ever been in the sport. The first time there have been two 20 goal scorers. You saw that Taylor Twelman put out that in the last 18 games that Messi has played, where he has played all 90 minutes for Inter Miami, they are 15 and three. All three of the losses are against Atlanta. Yeah.

And they just had their season extinguished in something that has to represent one of the great postseason collapses that we've seen losing that early when you have that payroll and that kind of star power. We discussed last week.

I was saying I will not call this season a failure just because they're building something here and they've built it. And there were plenty of people who cared about what was happening against Atlanta. But there is no arguing that when you've had the regular season they have and when you have that payroll, you're expecting.

more and that this ended with the greatest duck fart that you can have losing at home in Fort Lauderdale to Atlanta losing to a team that you're better than because soccer happens sometimes

And losing to a 40-year-old goalie on top of that. Losing to a 40-year-old goalie when you control the entire game, you're taking all the shots, you control everything, and next thing you know, you're finished because the Guzman is laughing in your face. Brad Guzan, not Guzman, legendary international keeper for the U.S. Men's National Team. To dismiss him as a 40-year-old keeper is... Guzman. Got...

Unbelievable disrespect for one of the great legends. He's 40 years old. Yeah, he's really good, though, and he doesn't have to move around that much. You can be a 40-year-old goalie. Brad Guzman, as Dan likes to call him. Yeah, you can be. Especially at the club level, you can be a very effective goalie at 40 years old. Brad Guzman.

It does sound like a name. American legend. In respect to Dan. Brad Guzman sounds like a name. We do one thing historically well and consistent enough, and that's produce goalies, but apparently not good enough for Dan to know your last name. The 40-year-old goalie cannot be knocking you out of the playoffs. I mean, you could say nobody can be knocking you out of the playoffs and speak with a good amount of conviction there. We talked about this. I will say, as much as I wanted Inter-Miami to advance on this playoff being a supporter of the club...

Part of me is like a legacy MLS fan is reveling in the fact that Messi couldn't get past Dax McCarty and Brad Guzman, as Dan likes to call him. Because it's a kooky playoff. It takes essentially a month to play the best of three. Ridiculous. They got a bit unlucky with Busquets' illness.

Busquets tries to give it a go a little bit and has some minutes and some playing time against Atlanta. But where Atlanta and teams had success largely against Inter-Miami this season on that counterattack and without Busquets there to help mitigate that, that was difficult. But you should be beating them. And we told you that's ultimately the barometer that U.S. sports fans understand.

You have a regular season. You have a postseason. The best team wins a postseason here in the United States. That's how it goes. And if they're not going to win that tournament, then they're not going to convince the casual sports fans that this is a success. And the problem is winning the Supporters' Shield has almost become a curse. Only eight of 29 Supporters' Shield winners win.

have gone on to win the MLS Cup. But they didn't just lose in the first round. They lost to a team with a losing record. They lost to a team whose entire roster was

made less money than Lionel Messi did by $5 million. So they, look, Inter-Miami could have gotten to the MLS Cup final and lost, and it still would have been a letdown. That's how much of a favorite they were, a betting favorite and otherwise. You just have to win it all if you're Messi,

After that regular season, there's no excuse. And I know Atlanta is a tough matchup for them. You know, Atlanta has won four and tied one the last six meetings between these teams. There's something about Atlanta United. But there's no excuses. They had the roster built to be the best team in MLS history, which has to include a championship.

Mike, can you explain what this video was? Or Greg, maybe you can explain what happened here because I didn't watch this game, but this video popped up of what appears to be a goal followed by... Look, the goalie's my age and then he gets pushed into the net. Inter-Miami just shoving the keeper into the net and then he can't get out. He can't get out.

And Suarez was like, get up. Why did they do this to him? Because Messi was trying to get the ball. He touched Messi, and so the team's got to defend Messi. And the goalie was trying to get the ball from Messi. The goalie wanted to do some shithousery, which was prevent Messi from getting the ball to avoid the pomp and circumstance and quickly play a goal that no doubt gets reviewed for 30 minutes afterwards. That shove is so funny. I love Suarez, just like, come on, get up, get at it.

net for an all-star show. The thing that is funniest is indisputably our man Guzman falling into the net there and just being like he's kind of flopping, but he also can't get out of the net. Ha ha ha!

It isn't every day that Messi scores with a header. That was the craziest part about that. That was incredible. There was one controversial goal that I didn't really have an issue with it, and that Atlanta scored a goal while an Inter-Miami player was writhing in pain inside their own box earlier. Yes. That's a dumb discussion. You play to...

You play it to the whistle. I understand. There's a sportsmanship where you'll see a player go down and the team kicks it out of bounds. Not in the box, though. They were on the attack there. I had no issue with it. They got MLS. Look, it's hard to win knockout tournaments, especially in soccer, because so many of the variables can change. And that's embarrassing for Inter-Miami. Ultimately, I think it took David Beckham a while to win that one, too. There's more trophies for them to win now that Messi is in there. And they've certainly won enough.

for at least in the eyes of FIFA for them to get the real prize out of this season, which was earned placement in next year's Club World Cup, where FIFA has already announced Inter-Miami will be opening up that tournament. It's a World Cup, but just for club teams only.

So you get the best of Europe, best of Middle East, best of Asia, best of Latin America, and best here of North America. They're going to be opening that tournament at Hard Rock Stadium. So I guess using that as a qualifier, they're in the tournament, then I guess it was a good season, but it was all kind of weird, haphazard.

how they engineered that. I guess I'm the president of everybody. You're in. Okay. Well, but you say you guys are making it very all or nothing. Okay. You're saying either you win a championship or there isn't something that feels... I'm not saying that. But that's Joe's sports fan here in the United States. That's what Billy would say. That's what Sugats would say. And they don't really care. They're just getting a reaction. But you have to win that. He joined MLS.

He hasn't won MLS. He's won a Supporter Shield and he's won a League's Cup. Those are different. He's got to get judged on by most people what he does in that season's tournament. Right, and the fact is, Inter-Miami only has him for two full seasons, right? And next year, the odds are they're not going to win the Supporter Shield again.

Messi's going to be a year older. The league will have had an entire cycle of Messi to get used to him and defending him. And I just think this was the year. After the regular season they had, this was his year. He's shown he's pretty good, though, Greg. I think he's going to be good next year. I understand they're going to add...

They're going to add players to that roster. They're still going to be, they're going to still have deeper coffers. They're just going to have more lottery shots. It's not that you guys are just making it all or nothing or putting the appraisal where sports fans do on if you have the best regular season, you have to win the championship. The thing that's deflating about it is it wasn't even any kind of

run. You're losing to a team with a worse record and it's just sort of soccer happening to you in a small sample size in a weird playoff format that has you playing three games in a month. Better now than at the end. If they're not going to win, let's save his legs and not have him go through that many games. It stinks, but you'll have to prioritize. This year, they didn't make the regular season the priority. They had to suffer through a lot of injuries and they ended up still setting a record for the regular season.

They tried to do things where they prioritize the CONCACAF Champions League or Champions Cup, whatever it's called now. That didn't turn out well. They tried to make a run even though Messi was hurt in League's Cup. Fell short. They did win one trophy historically. Unless you're the likes of Real Madrid where there's some instances in which you win a trophy and not everybody's happy with it. Winning a trophy in a season when you have the ability to win three or more, that's not a bad season.

Stugatz, more muscular. Mm-hmm. I have lost 10 pounds. Have you? Yeah, using my Peloton. I've had the Peloton in my house. So my daughter, she wanted me to get a Peloton. I did. She used it a couple of times. Yeah, great endorsement. But once she left to college and the Peloton was just sitting there in my office and it wasn't being used, I said, you know what? I got to use this. And I have lost 10 to 12 pounds, Billy.

So I started using Peloton as a bike. Obviously, that's like what they're known for. But recently, I discovered all of the other classes that they have. They have like a series of weightlifting classes. They have programs, which for me, the programs is great because I don't have to think about what I'm doing. If not, I just go and I pick a class at random and I don't know that I'm actually accomplishing anything. I would like some recommendations on classes because I keep going to the same class. Okay. It's the Grateful Dead class, by the way.

We do like a four-week core program with Emma Lovewell. I would recommend that one. Anyone can do that. Any level starts out easy, and then you work your way up. And then there's like a core program two that you can do after core program one if you want to do that. Yeah, if you graduate. Wait a second. You have to graduate course one to get to course two, the harder course? Well, you can start at course two if you want, but I eased my way in. I did course one first. Then you can do some strength classes with Andy. I love a strength class with Andy. He really puts me through it.

I get up and I'm like a sweaty mess and I'm kind of disgusting and I love it. You know the thing about Peloton, Stugatz? What? Peloton coaches, they walk the walk. Really? Yeah. Do they talk the talk? They have sub three hour marathon runner coaches. They have military trained athlete coaches, former college basketball player coaches, and so many other well-rounded coaches on their team.

All this experience really shows in their classes. You're never short of challenging. You can do some resistance band classes. I got some resistance bands lately. You're my teacher. Am I? Yeah. You know, no, I'm not. Well, I just go with the program so that I don't have to think because I don't actually know what I'm doing. Anyways, what's the Mr. Olympia, right? Is that what it's called? Yes. The one where you go and you're lifting giant boulders. Yeah. We should talk to Magnus again. That's Mr. Olympia. Yeah. Yes. What did I say? Olympus.

Did I? I don't know. Anyways, find your push. Find your power with Peloton at onepeloton.com. Don Levitard. I don't think I ever got that many roses in my whole life. Stugatz. Certainly not from your lovely grandfather. God may his soul rest in peace. This is the Don Levitard Show with the Stugatz. Stugatz.

Mike Ryan has to go to help Chris Whittingham with the podcast that's very popular, soccer podcast, Goalless, that Metal Ark is making along with Chris Whittingham. But before you go, let's send him off as punctuation video. Do you have the ability to show us Guzman in the net very slowly, slow motion, trying to get out of the net? Absolutely.

After he gets pushed in here, he's furious, he's bald, he looks like Pinhead from the horror movies. Cartoon sound effects would be so good behind this. Okay, but let's do this in slow motion first because this is funny and it would happen to any of us. It's how I try to get out of the ball pit when I have fallen into the ball pit at my local Chuck E. Cheese's. Yesterday? Last month. Yes, it's in the ball pit. Very slow motion. There's

You know what? He did better than most under the circumstances as if he has some experience propelling himself out of the awkwardness of a net. I love how protected Messi is. Number eight on Inter-Miami shoves him into the net, and no one's upset about it because, hey, you bumped Messi. Guzman was certainly upset about it. He looks like a marionette trying to get out of the net. You know what?

This is one of the best soccer videos I've ever seen. It is great. If they did this more, I'd watch it. Really? You'd watch more? Morning in his face. Oh, great.

I want to run through a little bit more football with you guys. Are you guys as surprised as I am whenever Young-Wei Ku misses any field goals, never mind all of the field goals? I don't know if you guys were surprised at all by Moody missing three field goals yesterday and then Debo Samuel wanting to kill everybody on his team, including the long snapper. That's the part I was surprised by. It was literally Debo on the sideline. Did he smack the

the snapper? Both of them like in one shot. Didn't he put his hands on the throat of the long snapper and then apologized to Moody for being moody about it? The vibes were so weird in that game because it was like, oh, McCaffrey's back. We're humming a little bit. That touchdown was incredible. The throw was insane. The scramble, the throw, the catch was amazing. Purdy made two plays at the end of that game that

could have only been topped by the two that Mayfield made, and then they lose because Tampa loses because Moody finally does make one of the four kicks. Brock Purdy has a little Duncan Robinson in him that anytime he does anything athletic, I'm just shocked at it every time because Purdy is legitimately good at seeing pressure getting out of the pocket, but every time I'm always like, he's sneaky athletic. No, Chris, this is what's happening. Foxworth spoke to this a second ago.

Both Purdy and Baker Mayfield are great athletes compared to anyone in the world you know. They're just not great athletes when being chased by 350-pound people who are more athletic than anyone you also know. Except when Nick Bosa is trying to bring you down and Baker all of a sudden just has the arm of steel and just doesn't let him go and throws a rope to Rashad White. It's like when you're eating food on the couch and your dog's trying to get it and you've got to just stick the arm out.

arm out you just gotta stick the arm out and it worked it was ridiculous yep to that moody point though you come back from injury right you have a high ankle sprain you're out for five weeks you're starting to get back into the flow of things hey you miss a couple kicks that's part of the deal right I got my ankle rolled up on it's screwed up and then a teammate makes you feel worse about it and then smacks you with it it's like I can't what are we doing here I cannot talk enough to the audience in general about

how little respect real football players have for the guys deciding games who do not play real football. I cannot articulate to you, cannot explain to you. They don't think they're actual football players and they all secretly feel like Debo Samuel. They just don't want to all strangle the long snapper.

for costing them games. When Debo Samuel was in the hospital recently, do you know what they're doing to their bodies to win those games? And then the kicker comes out and starts bleeping with their money, with everything. They do not respect those guys. They're not playing the same sport that Debo Samuel is playing. And Debo Samuel resents that they're deciding the games for him. I'm trying to think of other professions where this exists, like someone's job that can be very important at times, but...

But you're just disrespected a lot, like in our world, like the IT guy. Like we don't care about GQ until something breaks. And we're like, God damn it, GQ. You stink. He's an engineer, though. He's not an IT guy. Whatever. I guess that proves your point. What are you doing? Robert is the IT guy. Robert's also an engineer. Robert's kind of like kickers. Robert's one of these people. You might not talk to him for a few days, but if something goes wrong, we're like, God damn it, Robert. Valid.

Thank you, Dad. That is valid. And by the way, nobody had a worse game than Koo, who's a Lobo. And so the Lobos could have used him. You're like me. You're surprised any time he misses a kick of any sort, correct? And here's the problem for kickers. It used to be if you miss a 50-yard field goal, all right, that's a long kick. You know, we don't blame you. Now, if you're taking a 58-yard kick, I expect you to make that.

I think it's gotten by 10 yards at least, the kicker is now expected to make kicks that he wasn't expected to make before. Yeah, like last night, Bates for the line, it was a 58-yarder to win it. And I'm just like, I mean, he's obviously got enough leg. You have to make that. And he did. Because it's never short. It's crazy. Like these kicks...

Someone's going to make a 70-yard kick. The way they're making these 58-yarders, it's crazy. Because they all make them by distance, and they're never short. It's always left or right. What do you guys do with the way that the Lions won that football game? And to be in the rarefied air, this is not...

I don't have any experience with this. The Lions have been bad the entire time I've been alive. The Lions are not a team, an organization that can ever be trusted to do the correct things because never mind that they're better than everyone else because they simply can't be trusted to do the right things. Chris Cody is watching that game last night, watching Jared Goff throw five interceptions and saying there is no circumstance under which Detroit's not winning this football game.

That is a level of faith that I have never assigned, not even for a quarter, not on a Thanksgiving. I have never assigned that kind of confidence to a Detroit Lions franchise in my lifetime where you would believe that, yeah, Houston's not going to win here, even though Jared Goff is turning the ball over five times. They're down 23-7, and I thought they were going to cover. I had the Texans plus three and a half. I was...

My wife is like, oh, you're up to it? I'm like, no. This is the Lions. They're going to come back. That team is so... That offense, dude. Well-oiled machine. There is no team in the sport that can beat you more ways, right? Because they had Goff had 23 yards the other day and they were winning by 40 because they're special teams.

had three different touchdowns. Their offensive line is as strong as any in the sport. And then in the second half of that game, as they're putting up the fourth quarter points, you're watching and Houston's got nothing since halftime. They can't get points after halftime because of how restrictive everything gets when Nico Collins is hurt there.

That and Aiden Hutchinson, who was their best pass rusher, still is like top 10 or something in pressures for a defensive line. He hasn't played in like five weeks. He's probably a little bit longer than that. Was there anything else in college football that jumped out at you?

you guys from this weekend, from the enjoyment of the weekend, because Miami losing was one of the big stories, but it felt to me that Georgia losing that way and that Georgia's receivers are so bad compared to last year. They've left more yards unhooked.

on the field, I think, than any receivers that we've seen. It's a bit startling for me to see Lane Kiffin do that that way, though, to Georgia. It's not that I'm going to be surprised that Georgia loses an SEC game, but to have it be like that, where they're not able to do anything, and I generally assume that Georgia's got better players than the other guys.

Carson Beck is not good. Oh, man. He misses Brock Bowers and Ladd McConkie so much. It is insane just how much his play has changed from last year to this season. Like, he is a turnover machine now. It's literally like...

it's completely made me reevaluate him as a quarterback because if he doesn't have like the world's best receivers with him he's mid I think it's an o-line issue too though like the o-line's not been playing as well and under pressure he just isn't he's not being he's not playing well it's not a good situation it's tvds the way that he went from is he the number one pick in the draft to is he a day three pick is he a guy who's going to be undrafted like that's how far it's fallen

Gronk calls Bowers the best tight end ever, right? He's the best tight end in football right now. Like, receiving-wise. That guy. That guy yesterday, you see how he threw Sauce Gardner off him and then just hurtled another defender?

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Don Libetard. He has been great. He's made great hires. I said all. We've said all. He said all. We've said all. First time I heard any of this, Greg. Everything you're saying, it's all been said. Okay, you got to understand one thing. Stugatz. Me maximum. That's right. Until I say it, it hasn't been said. Boom. Okay, understand that. You're the mayor. Until I say it, it hasn't been said. Me maximum. Me maximum. Me maximum.

This is the Don Labatar Show with the Stoogads.

The stuff with the Jets is super interesting. I didn't understand yesterday why the Jets were a two-point favorite at Arizona. I thought Kyler Murray wasn't playing. I thought he was like a late scratch when I saw that the Jets were favored by two. I'm like, why would the Jets be favored by two there? That was the weirdest betting line of the week. And I picked Arizona without giving it much thought. And not because I'm that smart, because the betting line looked weird. And I have to think it's because New York,

is always an over-bet team because there's so many bettors in New York. I mean, the Jets and the Giants are always going to be bet. That's not why it's happening. The Jets, that was one of the strangest lines of the season, betting lines of the season. It's not because New York is over-bet. I'll give you a stat. The two teams in the league that have lost the most since 2017, 85 times, the Jets,

and the Giants. New York football stinks. Right. And has stunk for damn near a decade. Since 2017, no one loses more than the Jets and the Giants. I didn't understand what... I actually asked Mina and Mike before the game, who's out here that I'm not seeing in any of the reports that makes the Jets a two-point favorite on the road? Like, why would anybody... And the response was that Arizona's defense is bad.

But when you look at what Aaron Rodgers is doing statistically through 10 games, it's the same as what Zach Wilson was doing statistically through 10 games. Like that experiment's over. It's not just a colossal failure. It's an enduring one that's going to end Aaron Rodgers' career. I can't imagine that. Not only can I not imagine that he's going to want to play another year after this, I imagine he wants to quit right now. I imagine he'd like to not have to suffer through the last few games of what this feels like physically. For what? Yeah.

For who? Like Ricky Waters said when he was running across the middle and wasn't putting out his arms to catch something. Like what? If Aaron Rodgers wanted to quit right now, would you be surprised?

If he retired in the middle of a season? No, wanted to. Not if he's going to. Wanted to. If he just wanted to not go back to work this morning. He's going to take a cabinet position. That's what's going to happen. Oh, I like that. So true. No. You don't like that? You should not like that. They will be out by January, though. They won one game, and he went on McAfee and said some wild conspiracy theory two weeks ago, and I was like, oh man, if they keep winning, this is going to be really ugly. But

Thank God they've kept losing. But Lucy's right. That's what we're heading towards. But when I say that the Jets are overbet, what I mean is there's a million Jets fans who keep forgetting that Aaron Rodgers is almost 41 years old, and they're wish-betting, they're hope-betting every week that this is the week that he finally looks like the player they thought they were getting. And it ain't going to happen. But that's why, I think that's why...

Arizona should have been favored by two or three points. There's no question about it. That's not why, Greg. What I'm telling you is I don't know how to tell you that that's not why. It's not because New York all of a sudden was the only one interested in that game and moved the line five points because New York...

I was asking questions before the game yesterday because I assumed that somebody was out. I was then told that the Arizona defense is bad. And there was some expectation that the Jets would match up in some way in a way that suggested the better saw something. I don't know if you guys noticed this the other day.

Before the University of Miami Georgia Tech game, that line started going down. It went from 12 early in the week and it just all week went down and down until it ended up at whatever it was, 8.5 points. The Jets line kept going in favor of the Jets. It

it was confusing to me that the Jets were favored at all in that football game or that the Jets would be favored against much of anybody on the road for any reason. Like they're one of the worst teams in the league and one of the worst offenses in the league. So when they go to Arizona and they are,

The line keeps climbing. I'm assuming that I don't know something, but it's not because New York, that's never the reason because New York bets a lot is not the reason on an NFL game. I think you're wrong. And I've seen it with Jets betting lines earlier this season. This is not the first time that the Jets betting line has looked weird relative to the rest of the league on, on a weekend. Yeah.

I think people bet with hope that Aaron Rodgers and the Jets are going to turn it around. They're wish betting. Exactly. They're hope betting. Exactly. I know, but that's not New York doing that is what I'm saying. It's Jets fans. No, it's not Jets fans. It might be belief in Aaron Rodgers. It's not Jets fans. There are too many bets being made for Jets fans to be making any kind of dent in that number. I just think also people aren't buying the Cardinals yet.

I think it's just a combination of everything. I think there is some truth to what my dad's saying. The Jets are a popular team. They're probably bet more than other teams, but it's not going to move. It's not just in New York. Kyler Murray has been pretty good this year, and Marvin Harrison Jr. has...

made his career. He has turned him around as a quarterback, as the quarterback that they hoped he would be. McBride, too. It's not a small thing that they have another one of these Frankenstein tight ends running around out there, and he only had four catches for 71 yards yesterday. But when you watch their games, McBride is expected to be targeted close to 10 times. Heavily. He still hasn't scored a touchdown yet, though. I think he's got the most receiving yards and targets for a tight end without having a touchdown.

Yeah, McBride. He was missed, by the way. There was a bootleg play-action pass that Kyler Murray, I think two games ago, completely missed him. He was standing in the end zone like, do you see me? Do you see me? And then Kyler Murray overthrew and threw it six yards past the end of the line. But when you look at that game, it was...

Are people wish betting the Jets saying that, oh, they're going to turn it around? Because when you look at that line, was Vegas trying to get people to entice and bet on the Jets? Do you have a home dog, especially on a team going out west and a team who's not that good? That's not how betting works. All Vegas does is try to get an equal amount of betting on both sides of a bet. That's all the line is. I will just...

I will say to you that while Cody's making this argument on the Jets, I have not seen a stranger line this season than that one where I simply assume. Do you know what it is for me to look at a line and see it be five or six points off and make me think, is Kyler Murray out? Sure, that's the first thing you look. Because Dallas yesterday was a seven-point underdog with their backup quarterback just simply because they were playing at home and we expect

all of these games to be close because almost all of them are. There aren't a lot of differences between these teams. The thing that was special about yesterday in football wasn't that it was good football. It was a ton of close football and a ton of close football at the end because there's not a lot of differences between whatever it is you think the differences are between teams. But to have a five-point line where I'm looking at something, I'm like, I don't understand why the Jets...

are giving points on the road when they stink. And I feel while Arizona might not be good, they got my attention the very beginning of the season when they went to Buffalo and did that offensively. And I'm like, well, maybe they're better than I think they are because that offense looked against Buffalo from the very beginning of the season the way it's looked like most of the way the rest of this game since, where you can't do much with Connor. Connor's going to be able to run the ball on you because...

Because, at least in part, they have Harrison and McBride and Kyler Murray. He's impossible to corral. He's going to be somebody that extends these plays in ways that are athletically ridiculous. I would also mention, and I just looked it up to confirm what I thought...

Arizona does not have a terrible defense. Their defense has given up 22 points a game, which is about 14th mid-pack. Not terrible. And so when you have Kyler Murray working the way he's working right now, they can win games. The people I was asking use different stats than the one you're using to measure defense. That stat that

you're using and I don't you don't use any of the advanced metrics on what a defense actually is you don't use the numbers that would tell you that Green Bay for example some of the stuff Mike Ryan is arguing that their pass their pass rush and their timely turnovers mirage a bit of a mirage on how good they are defensively because generally speaking turnovers aren't something that you can cause or cause in a timely fashion they're pretty fluky right

The people who I was asking yesterday about why is this number the way it is, the answers I was getting was about that defense being metrically challenged in the way that the empirical measurements are done, not just points per game. And 22 is not great, by the way. It's pretty middling. It's mid-pack.

It's mid-pack. It's not bad. If you look across all of the games this past weekend, there was still a lot of weird lines. Like the Cowboys game, you said minus seven. They end up losing by four scores. The Vikings were seven-point favorites against Mac Jones, and they won by five.

What was the other game? Denver. Denver game, but the Bears and the Patriots. Bears are six-point favorites against a Patriots team that isn't that good until you realize, hey, the Bears have been playing really bad teams for the first stretch of their season. Now they're on the back half of playing some really good defenses, and they can't do anything. This Dolphins line tonight is odd. Why are the Dolphins...

Only plus one and a half. Like, they've looked really bad the last few weeks. The Rams are healthy. It just seems like an easy one for the Rams. I mean, their offense is back since, you know, their average 28 points a game since two has been back. That's pretty good. Good loss last week or before. Yeah, I mean, they've lost two games in a row on last second.

Field goals, you know, they do a break, the Dolphins. That's an intangible nobody likes to hear. Do a break is not the way anyone's betting. They're not a one-and-a-half point dog because they're do a break. I understand. That's why I instantly said I know nobody wants to hear those intangibles because I know that. Do a break, I don't even know what that means. In fact, I would say more than that. Do a break in football is their do someone physically breaks.

If Tua got hit the way Kyler Murray did on that play yesterday, the sport shuts down, right? You bring back the guy that accused the Dolphins of murder. You have that guy on again. If the Dolphins are due a break or the Chiefs, whatever the opposite is, that's what the Chiefs are. Yes, correct. It's a law of averages thing, right?

It's a law of averages thing. You know, the trend is your friend, but the trend must end. You know, if you have a team that's lost eight games in a row. I'm in. Whatever he said, I'm in. He's got a poem. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Chris Cody also has, I hope, another poem that he can put together on the fly based on yesterday's, on the music played earlier in the show. This one is about the University of Miami. Mario Cristobal dropped the ball.

couldn't see with his crystal ball cam ward ends with d and so too my miami that's it is that a rattlesnake what is happening back there is that what is slam poetry it's it's a very spicy image on on the music video it's called intimacy and it's like a fire beating up with an ice and they're kind of together people bang to this music you're banging it very spicy there is uh

Even less reason as to why we've been waiting for six years for Stugatz to do this at the grid of death. I mean, Chris Cody just farted out a banger. Why hasn't Stugatz gotten around to this? It's been eight years. Is that a rattlesnake? It sounds a bit like a rattlesnake. Can you start me over again on the music? Those are maracas. I know, but if I told you simply, you're walking through the desert. It's dark at night. You can't totally see everything that's happening.

I'm going the other way. I would be a little nervous, but also, why does it feel like I'm about to fuck? Walking through the desert, but also super horny. It's just me or is it really sexy out here? I'm thirsty.

I'm dying crawling through this desert. Yes. Johnny Depp's burying something in the ground. I'm so out of bodily fluids, but I guess I can musser up just a little. I'm thirsty. I'm so thirsty. I'm dying. Is that a snake or am I aroused? Oh, it's a snake. All right. Baby.

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