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Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, the host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Hey guys, I'm Andrea Gunning, host of There and Gone South Street. In this series, we follow the case of Richard Patron and Danielle Limbaugh, two people who went missing in Philadelphia nearly two decades ago and have never been found. Unlike most cases, there is not a single piece of physical evidence connected to this crime, but the FBI knows there was foul play.
I'm also excited to tell you that you can now get access to all episodes of There and Gone South Street 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Plus, you'll get access to other chart-topping true crime shows you love, like Betrayal, Creating a Con, The Story of BitCon, Paper Ghosts, Piked in Massacre, Mindscape,
Murder homes, unrestorable, the godmother, the girlfriends, and more. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeartTrue Crime Plus, and subscribe today. For years, Richard Patron lived in the apartment above his parents' bakery. By 2005, Richard had moved out and was living in an apartment in South Philly to be closer to his daughter. On the day after he went missing, his mother Marge wondered if she'd find any clues in his apartment.
I said I should go up there. I saw his laundry and his, you know, refrigerator full, and I saw concert tickets for like March on his desk. Everything was like he was coming back. As she worked her way through her son's apartment, she couldn't reconcile all the evidence of her son's everyday life and the reality of his profound absence. He had some Christmas gadgets and stuff that he didn't even take apart and fix yet.
And I thought, what am I looking at? It was just left like you would leave and you were coming back. It was one of the worst days of my life. Across town, Danielle's mother, Felice, held out hope her daughter would return. My mother, she was always optimistic. She had a two-bedroom condo and one bedroom she had the bed made with like a gift on the pillow for my sister. It was just heartbreaking.
I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is There and Gone South Street, Episode 4, Parade of Misery. All that I know is I see you in my dreams. Reach out in the dark for you feels to me. I'll never give up, no matter who might defy the light.
A note that the views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals participating. This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable for everyone. Discretion is advised. In February 2005, Danielle Limbaugh and Richard Patron walked out of a South Street bar and disappeared. No bloodstains, no evidence, no clues. As the trail grows colder, the question grows larger. What really happened that night?
Those are the words of journalist Steve Volk from his article in Philadelphia Magazine titled Without a Trace. I remember reading it when it first came out, and I would come back to read it again and again. I felt like I learned something new every time I read it. As I dug into this story and really got to know the victims' families and what they endured after Danielle and Richard disappeared, I went back to Steve's article hoping that what happened to their families would somehow change. I was so excited to read it.
But in the 10 years after the article came out, their lives didn't change. Not in Steve's article and not in real life. I'll explain what I mean in a bit. Okay, so can you introduce yourself real quick?
I'm Steve Volk. I'm a reporter, longtime reporter in the Philadelphia area. And I was working at Philadelphia Magazine at the time that I wrote this piece. After months of trading emails, phone calls and texts, Steve, Ben and I finally sat down to talk in April of 2024.
At that point, his article was over 10 years old, but not much in the investigation has changed. You know, like what you guys have undertaken is a lot more ambitious than what I did in terms of being an investigation. Steve was worried he wouldn't remember many of the details of the case since so much time had passed since he wrote about Danielle and Richard's disappearance. So I gave him a PDF of his article to refresh his memory and then watched as he scrolled page after page. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
It has been shocking to me to reread the story and see the things that I thought I remembered but didn't. As the memories flooded back for Steve, I started counting the number of times his face would wince. I wanted to write about it in part because people had stopped writing about it. Because I'd had a brother die and recognized that, like, you know, the anniversary is constant.
And so for some reason, that really drew me to writing about them. Steve was bothered by the frequency of stories about Danielle and Richard. Somebody would say, hey, it's been X number of years since, right? There'd be one of those pieces, if I remember correctly. I always found that really wrong. It's wrong, Steve told me, because for the victims' families, the anniversary happens every day. Really, the anniversary thing meant a whole lot to me.
I wanted to capture for people the unending pain that I knew before I ever met them they must be going through so that we could stop talking about this every February and start talking about it a lot more than that. For his article, Steve interviewed some of the same people you've heard in this podcast. The thing I remember most really about it is the emotional quality of spending time with Danielle's brother, John. ♪
His mom greets every new day with a fresh set of tears. There's no metaphor there. She would wake up every day and cry just in order to sort of get herself started. And then Richard and Marge. That's when Steve paused. He said he hasn't been able to shake the memory of interviewing Marge and Richard Sr. at their bakery. When I'm in there, you're surrounded by these festive desserts and cakes.
But the two of them are really like in hell. They're in absolute hell. They both basically acted like they could die tomorrow, except for Richard's daughter was a motivating factor that she was left behind. And then there was Richard's father, Richard Sr. Steve said he in particular stood out. He wanted to kill somebody is what I remember.
You could just feel the anger and his desire to do something about it. But he didn't know what happened. I mean, there was a profound sadness. I remember it being a parade of fucking misery.
covering that story. There's another line in Steve's article that really summed up that sadness. He wrote, "...with no bodies to bury and no agreed-upon story to frame and help them understand their loss, they can only stare into empty space, sentenced to always wonder what happened."
If they went to a grieving parenting support group, it probably wouldn't work for them in the same way because those folks know what happened. You know, they had a body to bury. They had a funeral. They had all those things. And this is so very different.
We talked about how Danielle and Richard's families were close before the two went missing, and that their bond got even stronger when they united in their search. Only a very unfortunate few know what it's like to have loved ones just go away.
poof, missing. And John seems like he's going through basically what you guys are going through, Richard and Marge. But what Steve learned and will dig into is that these two families managed to go from one unified team to two different families that haven't spoken in nearly 20 years. Think about this. The next day, right after they discovered they're missing, who gets together? John and Richard Sr.,
And they go on this long all night drive to all the places that they might have been. You think about that initial instinct to band together and look for them. Gosh, you'd think that would create a bond that couldn't be undone, but it was completely undone. So what happened that caused that bond to fracture?
According to Steve, it all happened the last time both families stood side by side. Good afternoon. So we're here to discuss a couple different things. It's March 22nd, 2005, roughly four weeks after Danielle and Richard were last seen on South Street. That's when a press conference took place right outside the Philadelphia Police Department headquarters.
That's where the Patrons and Ottobres lined up alongside Danielle's estranged husband, Joe Imbo. In the middle was a lawyer the Patrons hired. The lawyer addressed the many local reporters who showed up that cloudy afternoon, and he made a push for clues and information about what happened to Danielle and Richard. Eventually, Marge stood behind the podium.
All of our lives have been taken from us. And we don't know now how to live each day without them, without knowing where they are. And then Ann, Richard's daughter, made a desperate plea to find her father. It would become a soundbite played time and time again on news reports. If anyone has any information about my dad, please, I just need him back. Those words haunt me every time I hear them.
Danielle's brother John also addressed the media. Her son needs her. Richard's daughter needs him. And we're just begging for anyone, for any information, please, please. So you have both families lined up right in front of Philadelphia police headquarters, pleading to the public for help. I guess I'm not understanding how this led to any sort of friction between the families. And that's when Steve clued me in.
I do remember that Marge supposedly confronted Joe right there. Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind.
Stories about regaining a sense of safety, a handle on reality after your entire world is flipped upside down from unbelievable romantic betrayals. The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family. When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath. Financial betrayal.
This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walzak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Come on.
In 2001, police say I killed my family. First mom, then the kids. And rigged my house to explode. In a quiet suburb. This is the Beverly Hills of the Valley. Before escaping into the wilderness. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down. They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog flew. All I could think of is him and the sniper me out of some tree.
But not me. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave. Tracking down clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.
Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house, the hunt, family annihilation today, and a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.
Hey guys, I'm Andrea Gunning, host of There and Gone South Street. In this series, we follow the case of Richard Patron and Danielle Limbaugh, two people who went missing in Philadelphia nearly two decades ago and have never been found. Unlike most cases, there is not a single piece of physical evidence connected to this crime, but the FBI knows there was foul play.
I'm also excited to tell you that you can now get access to all episodes of There and Gone South Street 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Plus, you'll get access to other chart-topping true crime shows you love, like Betrayal, Creating a Con, The Story of BitCon, Paper Ghosts, Piked in Massacre, and more.
Murder homes, unrestorable, the godmother, the girlfriends and more. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for I Heart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
The search for clues to what happened to Danielle and Richard took place on foot, on TV, and online. In the days and weeks that followed, the two families coordinated multiple search parties and appeared on numerous local and national news programs. There were also websites asking for any information on Danielle and Richard's whereabouts, which was something new for that day and age.
I stood outside of sporting events with flyers of Danielle and Richard and handed them out as 45,000 people walked outside. That's Danielle's brother, John. I was in a helicopter looking for her. I searched the Pine Barrens on foot looking for anything, and it just consumed me. The days just blur together, the weeks blur together.
And then I got a phone call. That call was from Richard's father. He said, you know, hey Johnny, I think I found a way to bring the kids home. Meet me at South Detectives at noon. South Detectives is a division of the Philadelphia Police Department. They were just one of a handful of agencies that investigated. Show up at South Detectives at noon, and the next thing you know, there's some attorney standing up there on his soapbox. And my mother, me...
and Danielle's estranged husband, Joe, were standing there looking at each other like, "What's going on? Wait, this is a press conference?"
Wait a minute. I don't want to time out. I don't want to be on TV. Like, I don't know what's going on. John was under the impression he and his family were needed at police headquarters because Richard Sr. learned something new about what happened to Danielle and Richard, something that might bring his sister home. And when he walked into a press conference, he said it felt like a slap in the face. Not a slap in my face as disrespect, like a wake up call.
A wake-up call for John that maybe the two families were not on the same page. You told me you found a way to bring the kids home. Those were your words. I just assumed you knew something. They wanted us to stand in unity together as two families and blame Danielle's estranged husband. And I could not in good conscience do that because I did not know at the time who was responsible.
That wasn't the first time John had heard the Patrons blame Joe Imbo. John said it happened the first night after Danielle and Richard vanished. At that point, we thought it was an accident. They're on the side of the road or they're locked up. March Patron was like, it's Joe. Joe did this. He did this. Joe did something to my boy and Danielle.
I understand emotions are high, but let's worry about what's going on. John said Marge wanted to double down at the press conference and blame Joe. But John refused. Nobody knows what happened yet. So stop slinging insults and stop pointing fingers. Marge wasn't just pointing fingers. She was ready to slap handcuffs on Joe. So I asked her why she was so convinced it was him. That was talked about that summer at the shore.
That summer, I will still relive the whole day on the beach. She said, if anything ever happens to me, Joe did this. That's what Danielle kept saying to me and Christine. Marge is talking about the summer of 2004 when Danielle spent time with the Patrons at their shore house. According to Marge, that's when Danielle shared all the drama going on behind closed doors. She was scared to death of him. Why exactly was Danielle so afraid of Joe?
She told me that one day he came and threw the high chair across the room. That's when she changed the locks and he was not allowed in her apartment ever again. In 2014, Joe told Philadelphia Magazine that incident never happened. There was another time Marge said Joe freaked out while driving with little Joe. A truck passed by that looked like Richard's and little Joe got excited and then pointed at it. And little Joe said, Rich, Rich, Rich.
And he went nuts. Marge said Joe got upset, called Danielle, and yelled at her. What is he saying rich, rich, rich for? According to Marge, Danielle shared that story the night before she disappeared. It was at the dinner at Chickie and Pete's. Danielle told us that that night. I said, oh yeah, because she used to put them in the back of the truck and let them jump in the snow in this car. He was pissed that night. I told all this to Vito in the very beginning. What was going through your mind as she was telling you this?
Horrified for her. Horrified for her. She said, that's why I tell my lawyer everything. That's why she documents everything, you know, that he's not allowed in my house. I change the locks. I have to meet in a public place with the baby. So Danielle had a lawyer. Yes. Yes. She told her lawyer it was documented all the times that she felt threatened by him.
I knew Christine and Danielle were close, especially at the time of her disappearance. They both were going through a divorce, so they bonded over that shared experience. I asked her if she remembers her friend being afraid of Joe. The cops asked me that too. Do you think she was scared of him? And I remember thinking, in hindsight...
Only because I know Danielle and she was a tough person, like she would stand up for herself. I never looked at her to be afraid of anything. Obviously, 19 years has passed between then and now. But then I thought, she changed her locks, they let her change her locks. I went through a divorce, I was never told to write down anything. So, I mean, the lawyer told her to document every single thing that happened.
I asked Vito if he found any evidence of physical abuse in Danielle and Joe's relationship. I even asked him about the high chair incident.
That was an incident that was relayed to me that I believe was pretty commonly known because a number of people talked about it openly. But other than that, I was not able to put any other context to it other than a chair was thrown in anger. Bottom line was, I did not uncover any physical abuse one way or the other.
We heard Danielle was documenting so much about what was going on with her marriage leading up to the divorce, all at the advice of her attorney. They needed to find Danielle's lawyer, and we certainly went to great lengths. Ben and I made multiple attempts to reach her.
The person you're trying to reach is not available. At the tone, please record your message. When you have finished recording, you may hang up. My name is Ben Fetterman. I'm a producer with Glass Podcasts. I wanted to see if you would be willing to speak with me about a story of one of your former clients, Danielle Imbo. If you could give me a call back, I would really appreciate the opportunity for us to connect. Thank you.
We located her law office and dropped by to introduce ourselves. I even drove to her home. I left a note with my contact info.
But Danielle's lawyer never responded, not to one single message, letter, or knock on her door. The other thing I couldn't get my hands on was a full, unedited version of that press conference. To my team's credit, they contacted every local and national media outlet that covered it. But none of them claimed to still have it. According to Steve Volk's article, Marge confronted Joe at the press conference. So I asked Marge if she remembered doing that.
She said she didn't. We had a lawyer at the time who said, don't approach him, don't go near him, and I didn't. It's the only time I ever saw him. I also asked Richard's daughter, Ange, about that day, but she couldn't confirm Marge's confrontation. You would have to ask her first.
Because it's a blur then, but I feel like she may have yelled at him. I mean, that was like such just a wild time. The one thing Ange said she clearly remembers was Joe's demeanor. There wasn't a tear, like there wasn't any emotion coming from him. Joe did not address the media at the press conference. Why aren't you like absolutely distraught? Like, why aren't you a mess right now? And he wasn't.
I will say, I've seen snippets of the press conference, but I did not see Marge confront Joe. If she did, maybe it was after the cameras stopped rolling. There was something else I wanted to know more about. In the last episode, Christine said Joe had been calling Richard at the bakery. I asked Marge what she remembered about that. It was the day before Christmas.
We were totally busy in the bakery and he must have called him 27 times, threatening him with a baseball bat. And Richard said, you're getting divorced. I'm not going out with a married woman. You know, and if you don't want me to go, tell her. Marge told the Philadelphia Daily News about these threats in June of 2005. She said Joe and Richard never met face to face. And her biggest regret is that they never reported those threats to the police. Why didn't we document that to say,
you know, here's calling and threatening. But she did tell her lawyer that. So that was documented that she told her lawyer that. As FBI agent Vito Rosselli shared in the last episode, he was aware of the alleged phone call and threat. We did find in our investigation there were conversations between
between the two. There was at least one phone call, explicit phone call exchange. There was reference to a threat made about a baseball bat. I don't know how much to put into that because the motions were high and when motions are high embellishments are made. That could have been an embellishment. It could have been just a misinterpretation of what somebody was told. But I did hear that, yes.
Marge wasn't alone when it came to Joe's involvement. Every member of the Patron family told me the same thing. It was Joe, though. Joe did this. Everything pointed to him. And then there's Richard's ex-girlfriend, Julie. She's the mother of his daughter, Ange. Both Julie and Ange shared how these threats affected Richard. Richard was so scared.
That dinner, Julie is talking about, happened right before he went missing. Richard wore his heart on his sleeve. And that's how they both knew something was up. You could tell, like, something was weighing heavy on him.
They both remember Richard sharing what was happening between him and Joe. He's telling us about how crazy Joe is, you know, and that he's scared. He's scared for his life and that he's done with Danielle. My mom was concerned. I mean, I knew more of what was going on with my dad and Danielle and Joe more than my mom did. So I think he was also taking my mom out to fill her in more on what was going on.
I mean, he was just saying that the ex was really causing problems for him. And he told us if something was to happen, it was her husband. If something happens to me, it was Joanne, though.
Julie and Ange said they were both relieved to hear that Danielle ended things with Richard.
It came as a surprise to Julie that just a few weeks later, Richard ended up with Danielle and then vanished. Went out to dinner maybe in January and then now it's February and this is happening. It was too much of a coincidence. Vito said he was also aware of that story. Both Richard's baby's mom, Julie, and their daughter, Angela, they did mention that Richard said, you know, that if anything happened to me, it was the husband.
meaning Joe Wimbo. Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind.
Stories about regaining a sense of safety, a handle on reality after your entire world is flipped upside down. From unbelievable romantic betrayals... The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family... When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath. Financial betrayal...
This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walzak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Come on, Paul.
In 2001, police say I killed my family. First mom, then the kids. And rigged my house to explode. In a quiet suburb. This is the Beverly Hills of the Valley. Before escaping into the wilderness. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down. They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog flew. All I could think of is him and the sniper me out of some tree.
But not me. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave. Tracking down clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.
Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house, the hunt, family annihilation today, and a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.
Hey guys, I'm Andrea Gunning, host of There and Gone South Street. In this series, we follow the case of Richard Patron and Danielle Limbaugh, two people who went missing in Philadelphia nearly two decades ago and have never been found. Unlike most cases, there is not a single piece of physical evidence connected to this crime, but the FBI knows there was foul play.
I'm also excited to tell you that you can now get access to all episodes of There and Gone South Street 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Plus, you'll get access to other chart-topping true crime shows you love, like Betrayal, Creating a Con, The Story of BitCon, Paper Ghosts, Piked in Massacre, Mindscape,
Murder homes, unrestorable, the godmother, the girlfriends, and more. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeartTrue Crime Plus, and subscribe today. Four different law enforcement agencies investigated Danielle and Richard's disappearance. And since there was not one piece of physical evidence, it wasn't easy.
One of the detectives was quoted as saying, "We don't believe in flying saucers, so where did they go?" At this point, the emotions are very high. You have two families. Their daughter and son are missing, and people are trying to find answers. That's Special Agent Vito Roselli. Once he and the FBI got involved, that pushed the number to five.
five different agencies investigating Danielle and Richard's disappearance. I was somewhat familiar with the case at the time because there was a lot of finger pointing and there was quite a bit of animosity between the two families. There were a lot of people voicing their opinions.
It just kind of steamrolled as the investigation kept grinding on with no results. It was no secret to Vito that the Patrons had already named Joe Imbo their number one suspect.
In this case, I know there's a lot of effort going towards the estranged husband, Joe Imbo. We learned earlier on that there was some verbal jousting between Richard Patrone and Joe Imbo over the phone. Statistically, that's the first place you would look when you have the estranged wife missing. And that's what the police were doing.
I should mention that we've reached out to Joe for comment and to hear his side of the story. At the time of this recording, Joe has not agreed to talk with us on the record, but he has agreed to give us a statement. We have yet to receive it.
But let's talk about Danielle's family, the Ottobres, and how they felt about the Patrons blaming Joe. Statistically, it's always the spouse. I mean, Vito told me that. He said, John, they're going through a nasty divorce, a custody battle, and have to pay child support. So, yeah, it would only make sense. And what did you think about Joe's involvement? Was that something that ever crossed your mind? Yeah, I mean, I can tell you...
But John is not an outsider. He's been there since Danielle first met and started dating Joe.
He was there for Danielle when Joe announced he was leaving her for another woman. And John was also there when Joe tried to win Danielle back. I think deep down inside, he always loved her. He just resented the fact that she domesticated him. But I've never saw that evil side of him that he would want to take someone's life, especially Danielle's life. What did you mean when you said...
Joe resented the fact that Danielle domesticated him. You know, I don't want this house in suburbia and the two kids and the white picket fence. And he was never like fully satisfied. He hated this quote, suburbia life. And he would always say to Danielle, when we get married, we're moving to San Diego. She would pacify him. Okay, whatever you want, whatever. But deep down, she would never leave her family.
We believed in roots and family and being together, and he just didn't come from that type of background. John's wife Jodi said Joe longed for that surfer lifestyle.
He always said he wanted to have a taco stand in San Diego on the beach and just sell tacos during the day and surf. After Danielle got pregnant, Jodi said she noticed a change in Joe, but she said it was nothing that would be a motive for murder. He seemed like a little more moody. I guess I would say like not as happy as he was in the beginning. When Joe ran off with another woman, John said Joe shifted the responsibility of their marriage ending onto Danielle.
He blamed everything on her. I never wanted to be a suburban father. I never wanted to be a suburban husband. I want to live on the beach and surf. You know, you're a grown man and you're trying to chase what you did when you were a teenager. So why do you think Joe wanted to get back together with Danielle? He was getting a lot of pressure from his family to reconcile because they all loved Danielle and they just were all on her side throughout this whole thing.
So that's when he started falling and trying to reconcile and get back together. But I don't think he was interested in reconciling or that was
something he really wanted deep down. According to John, it was all a big show for Joe's mom. You're pacifying your mother so you can call her and say, Mom, I called her. I tried to get her back. I asked her to take me back. She's just not taking me back. I think it was as long as Danielle was home by herself with the baby and he was free to do what he wants, everything was fine. While listening to John and Jodi, I couldn't help but think about Danielle and Joe's son. ♪
Let's say Joe did have something to do with Danielle's disappearance. Well, if that was the case, Joe wouldn't be spending his days slinging tacos and surfing. No, he'd be taking care of little Joe and playing the role of mom and dad. And that's what actually happened. After Danielle first disappeared, Joe moved back into Danielle's condo for a few months to take care of his son. Obviously, Joe did something wrong, you know, for cheating on Danielle.
Do I believe that it's his fault that she's missing? No, because a million people get divorced. And I don't believe because they were going to get a divorce is the reason why she went missing. Back in June of 2005, Joe told the Philadelphia Daily News that he was tired of all the accusations that he had something to do with Danielle's disappearance. In that article, he said, I have nothing to hide. I know I had no involvement in this.
And until the day Danielle disappeared, Joe said he was actively trying to get back with Danielle, but, quote, it wasn't happening, end quote. That was why Joe said he called Richard two or three times to tell Richard to, quote, back off until the divorce, end quote. Did I hear about the threats that Joe made to Rich at the bakery and all that kind of stuff? Yes. Do I believe the whole conversation? No.
Jodi and John felt differently about the threats that Marge claimed happened in the weeks leading up to Danielle and Richard's disappearance. She told me that one day he came and threw the high chair across the room. The time little Joe allegedly pointed at a truck that looked like Richard's, which upset Joe. What is he saying rich, rich, rich for? And he went nuts. And then there were the alleged phone calls to Richard at the bakery. It was the day before Thanksgiving.
threatening him with a baseball bat. I don't believe all those stories because none of those stories came from us about throwing the height chair, about the phone call, all that kind of stuff. Danielle never told me any of them. Like if she came to me and said, I really fear for my life and I'm worried about little Joe, we would have been at her door in five minutes and like bringing her here and being like, nothing will happen to you here.
Vito confirmed a report of a heated phone conversation between Richard and Joe, and he knew about the high chair incident. And this is where everything gets turned upside down. In that June 2005 Philadelphia Daily News article, Joe said it was Richard who threatened him during one of their phone calls. Joe claimed he even provided a tape recording of that phone call to the police. But Vito says he does not have a copy of those recordings.
So who do you believe in this case? John and Jodi said they believe Joe Imbo was an adulterer, not a murderer. I truly, in my heart of hearts, hate him for leaving her, but do not believe that he had anything to do with this whatsoever. And here's the thing. Joe Imbo was never charged or formally named a suspect. Although that seems to come with a giant asterisk.
Everybody is a suspect up to this point that I haven't discounted, and I haven't discounted a lot of people. According to the FBI, Joe had a rock-solid alibi for the night Danielle and Richard disappeared. Joe Imbo was not in Philadelphia on the evening of February 19th. If Joe had an alibi, why does Richard's family still think he did it? Why hasn't law enforcement publicly cleared him? You know, it all looks bad. If someone told me that, I'd be, like, guilty.
And if you can prove to me that it's him, I'll be the first one to drag his ass down the jail. That's next time on There and Gone.
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There and Gone is a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. The show is executive produced by Nancy Glass, Ben Fetterman, and me, Andrea Gunning. It's hosted and written by me, Andrea Gunning, with additional reporting and writing by Ben Fetterman. The series is also written and produced by Todd Gans. Our associate producer is Kristen Melchiorri.
Special thanks to both the Patron and Entobre families.
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