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Trump vs Democracy: Two Historians’ Perspectives

2024/11/7
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Key Insights

Why was Dr. Lindsay Chervinsky surprised by Trump's victory in the 2024 election?

She had to completely rethink her understanding of how elections work and what matters to voters. She also had to rethink her general optimism about democracy and the American people.

Why wasn't Dr. Timothy Naftali as surprised by Trump's victory?

He had come to the understanding that January 6th didn't matter for half the country. He realized that being guilty of dereliction of duty on that day wasn't enough to disqualify someone from national leadership.

What are some historical parallels between the 1790s and today's political climate according to Dr. Lindsay Chervinsky?

There are parallels in weak political parties, intense partisanship, foreign interference in elections, questions about citizenship, xenophobia, legislation tackling citizenship and freedom of speech, political violence, and weak institutions.

How did George Washington use his cabinet to strengthen the executive branch?

Washington surrounded himself with people who had different types of expertise and knowledge, and he listened to them. This helped him govern responsibly and establish precedents for his successors.

What was Richard Nixon's stance on using state force against American citizens?

Nixon wanted to do much more damage than he was able to get away with. He had an intense fear of Jewish Americans and believed there was a conspiracy of Jewish Americans in the federal government. He also wanted to use violence against Native Americans at Wounded Knee and ordered the use of violence against antiwar demonstrators.

What does Dr. Timothy Naftali believe is the most pernicious effect of Trump's presidency on future generations?

He worries that Trump's approach to leadership will become an ideal for an entire generation of young Americans striving for power, which could undermine our institutions.

What advice does Dr. Lindsay Chervinsky give to opponents of authoritarianism?

She advises continuing to use every mechanism of accountability possible, whether through the rule of law, the court system, or public accountability, and to never give up hope.

Chapters

The discussion explores how authoritarians like Trump use fear to maintain power and how people can resist by exercising their civil rights and not losing hope.
  • Authoritarians often use fear to make people self-censor.
  • Exercising civil rights and maintaining hope are crucial in resisting authoritarianism.
  • Trump's potential laziness could be leveraged to reduce his ability to abuse power.

Shownotes Transcript

This is an episode we think you’d enjoy of On with Kara Swisher). 

President-elect Donald J. Trump has won a resounding victory against Vice President Kamala Harris, and now, the man who promised political retribution and said he may use the military to go after “the enemy within” is headed back to the White House. Only this time, there will be no guardrails — only enablers. In order to understand the threat Trump poses to our democracy, Kara talks to two historians who know a lot about the birth of American democracy and the last time we came close to losing it: Dr. Lindsay Chervinsky and Dr. Timothy Naftali. 

Chervinsky is a presidential historian and the executive director of the George Washington Presidential Library. Her newest book is Making the Presidency, John Adams and the Precedents that Forged the Republic). Naftali is a senior research scholar in the Faculty of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University and the former director of the federal Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum.

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