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Matt Murphy (homicide prosecutor)

2024/11/27
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Dax Shepard: 本期节目嘉宾Matt Murphy是一位前凶杀案检察官,节目探讨了检察官工作中的挑战、与侦探的合作、以及对社会的影响等方面。 Matt Murphy分享了他职业生涯中处理过的许多案件,包括性侵犯和凶杀案,并详细描述了这些案件对他的心理健康和人际关系的影响。他谈到了在犯罪现场的感受、选择陪审团的技巧、以及与侦探的合作方式。他还探讨了连环杀手的犯罪动机、以及如何处理证据不足的情况。 此外,Matt Murphy还分享了他对社会现象的看法,例如性侵犯的普遍性、连环杀手的犯罪心理、以及美国社会对性侵犯的认识。他认为,许多连环杀手都存在性方面的自卑感和权利感,他们认为自己有权对受害者施暴。他还谈到了司法系统中存在的挑战,例如错误定罪和性侵犯案件的起诉难度。 Matt Murphy: 我在橙县地区检察官办公室工作了27年,其中17年负责凶杀案。我的工作经历让我对犯罪心理和司法系统有了深入的了解。我处理过许多备受瞩目的案件,例如性侵犯和凶杀案,这些案件对我的心理健康和人际关系造成了严重的影响。 在处理性侵犯案件的过程中,我目睹了受害者及其家人的痛苦,这让我更加坚定地要将罪犯绳之以法。然而,长期接触这些案件也让我对自身性欲产生了恐惧,并对健康的关系产生了怀疑。 在处理凶杀案的过程中,我学会了如何与侦探合作,如何选择陪审团,以及如何处理证据不足的情况。我还发现,许多连环杀手都存在性方面的自卑感和权利感,他们认为自己有权对受害者施暴。 我对社会现象的看法也受到了我工作经历的影响。我认为,性侵犯的普遍性远超人们的想象,许多男性也曾是性侵受害者。我还认为,连环杀手的存在并非现代社会独有现象,而是贯穿人类历史的普遍现象。

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Why did Matt Murphy decide to become a prosecutor?

Matt Murphy stumbled into the role of a prosecutor. He started a sexual assault education program as an undergrad, which caught the eye of the FBI and a DA's office. He was recruited by the FBI and a woman named Kathy Harper from the DA's office. He decided to give the DA's office a try instead of pursuing a fancy PI firm that offered him a lucrative track.

What was the impact of working in the sexual assault unit on Matt Murphy's personal life?

Working in the sexual assault unit had a significant impact on Matt Murphy's personal life. His love life was in shambles due to the subject matter and the immersion in the worst aspects of human sexuality. The constant exposure to anti-pornography and the pathological side of male sexuality messed with his head and affected his relationships.

How did Matt Murphy's first experience at a crime scene go?

Matt Murphy's first experience at a crime scene was nerve-wracking. He was nervous and worried about throwing up, which is a common trope in movies. He walked into a domestic violence murder scene where a man had been shot multiple times. The detective, Byington, lifted the man's shoulder to show the bullet holes, and the man groaned, indicating he was still alive. This was a rite of passage for Murphy, and it was a surreal experience.

What is the vertical unit system in the DA's office, and how does it benefit the prosecutors?

The vertical unit system in the DA's office involves prosecutors being assigned to specific cities or areas, working closely with the detectives from the minute a murder happens until the case is resolved. This system allows prosecutors to bond with their detectives, creating a symbiotic relationship. It eliminates problems and ensures that the detectives are listening to the prosecutors, wanting to win cases together. This close collaboration helps in gathering evidence perfectly and slamming dunking cases.

How does Matt Murphy handle cases where there is a lack of evidence but he knows the person is guilty?

Matt Murphy handles cases where there is a lack of evidence but he knows the person is guilty by adhering to ethical obligations. He ensures the defense has everything and then beats them with it. He believes that if a prosecutor can't convince a jury without cheating, they shouldn't win the case. He respects the system and his reputation, and he trusts the gut over the paper version when it comes to jury selection.

What is Matt Murphy's view on the prevalence of sexual abuse and its impact on society?

Matt Murphy believes that sexual abuse is ubiquitous and that many people have experienced it. He mentions that in juries, almost every hand goes up when asked if they or someone close to them has been a victim of something similar. He thinks the public doesn't fully understand how prevalent it is and that there's a stigma that needs to be relaxed, especially for men.

How did Matt Murphy's experience with the Rodney Alcala case shape his understanding of serial killers?

Matt Murphy's experience with the Rodney Alcala case deepened his understanding of serial killers. He learned that many serial killers start out as sexual offenders and that their psychology often involves a sense of entitlement and arrogance. Alcala, for instance, was a charming, intelligent man who murdered numerous people. This case highlighted the complexity and predatory nature of serial killers.

What challenges did Matt Murphy face in the Skylar DeLeon case, and how was it resolved?

In the Skylar DeLeon case, Matt Murphy faced challenges such as convincing the jury of DeLeon's guilt despite a convincing story about buying the boat with cartel money. The case was resolved when a neighbor provided a license plate number of the truck used in the kidnapping, leading to the arrest of DeLeon. The case was further solidified when an anchor was found missing from the boat, indicating a potential murder method.

How does Matt Murphy reconcile the frustration of knowing someone is guilty but lacking evidence?

Matt Murphy reconciles the frustration of knowing someone is guilty but lacking evidence by adhering to ethical standards and ensuring justice is done. He believes that entertaining a doubt means dismissing the case ethically, even if it means letting a potentially guilty person go. He prioritizes the integrity of the system over getting convictions at any cost.

What does Matt Murphy think about the trend of serial killers and mass shooters?

Matt Murphy believes that the trend of serial killers and mass shooters is similar in that both are often driven by feelings of entitlement and power. He notes that many serial killers start as sexual offenders and that mass shooters are often outcasts who feel bullied and want to exact revenge. He sees a common thread of insecurity and a desire for control in both types of perpetrators.

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Matt Murphy discusses the common traits of serial killers, including their sexual insecurities and feelings of entitlement.
  • Serial killers often have sexual insecurities driving their actions.
  • Many serial killers are underachievers with high intelligence and a sense of entitlement.
  • Joseph D'Angelo, the Golden State Killer, had a micropenis.

Shownotes Transcript

Matt Murphy (The Book of Murder) is a former Homicide prosecutor and current legal analyst for ABC News. Matt joins the Armchair Expert to discuss the importance of telling the victims stories over the killers, the craft of picking a jury, and his nerves the first time he was at a crime scene. Matt and Dax discuss the parallels between their childhoods, the experience of working with detectives, and the horrific crimes of Rodney Alcala. Matt discusses how his job skews his worldview, the mental toll of not having enough evidence when you know someone is guilty, and if murder is reflective of the times. 

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