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Robert Kagan and Bill Kristol: It's Already Happening Before our Eyes

2024/10/28
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Robert Kagan: 杰夫·贝佐斯将华盛顿邮报的优先级降低,是自由新闻被瓦解的典型案例,这反映了权力对媒体的掌控。这并非通过武力,而是通过商业利益的考量,这在拥有巨额财富的媒体所有者手中尤其危险。电视网络等其他媒体机构也面临着类似的风险。 Bill Kristol: 精英阶层和机构的投降是滑向威权主义的标志之一,这种现象比人们想象的发生得更快。杰夫·贝佐斯和杰米·戴蒙的例子说明了这一点,他们为了自身利益而向权力低头,并没有为此付出任何代价。 Tim Miller: 对贝佐斯行为的讨论应该超越对媒体是否应该进行总统选举背书的讨论,而应该关注其对自由新闻的潜在威胁。 Bill Kristol: 精英阶层和机构的投降是滑向威权主义的标志之一,这种现象比人们想象的发生得更快。杰夫·贝佐斯和杰米·戴蒙的例子说明了这一点,他们为了自身利益而向权力低头,并没有为此付出任何代价。这种行为在一定程度上是可预测的,因为企业最终需要适应政府的权力。 Robert Kagan: 美国当前的政治局势,其根本原因是种族问题,这与美国的历史有关。麦迪逊广场花园的集会体现了白人至上主义和白人基督教至上主义的本质,这种言论在美国历史上一直存在,但现在已经掌控了整个政党。 Tim Miller: 对贝佐斯行为的讨论应该超越对媒体是否应该进行总统选举背书的讨论,而应该关注其对自由新闻的潜在威胁。

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Why did Robert Kagan resign from the Washington Post?

He disagreed with the Post's decision not to endorse in the presidential election.

Why is Jeff Bezos deprioritizing the Washington Post?

He is aligning his business interests to avoid conflict with Trump's administration.

What does Robert Kagan believe is the essence of the MAGA movement?

It is about white Christian supremacy.

Why does Robert Kagan compare Trump's movement to fascism?

He sees it as a clear example of fascism due to its appeal to a broad number of people and its authoritarian tendencies.

What is the significance of the Madison Square Garden rally according to Robert Kagan?

It showed the movement baring its teeth and revealing its true essence of white Christian supremacy.

Why are corporate elites capitulating to Trump's movement?

They fear retribution and want to align their businesses with the government's interests.

What does Robert Kagan believe is the root of the current political situation in America?

It is driven by race and the question of race, influenced by America's history of slavery and hostility to immigrants.

What is the danger of Trump's potential second term according to Bill Kristol?

It could lead to more authoritarian actions, including the use of the military and mass deportations.

Why does Tim Miller think Kamala Harris's speech at the Ellipse is strategic?

It aims to get attention and highlight Trump's unacceptability to wavering voters.

What does Bill Kristol think about the current state of the Senate races?

He is slightly optimistic about potential surprises, especially in Texas and Nebraska, which could affect the balance of power.

Chapters
The discussion about the relevance of newspaper endorsements in presidential elections and the implications of Jeff Bezos' deprioritization of The Washington Post.
  • Jeff Bezos' decision to deprioritize The Washington Post in his business empire.
  • The potential dismantling of a free press in a democracy becoming a dictatorship.

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By de-prioritizing The Washington Post in his business empire, Jeff Bezos is showing exactly how a free press gets dismantled. Other corporate titans are also falling in line so they're not on the wrong side of Trump. Meanwhile, with the Klan-like rhetoric at Sunday's rally, MAGA is baring its teeth and showing us that its true essence is about white Christian supremacy. Plus, the Senate races, and Tim's reporting from outside MSG. 

Bob Kagan—who resigned from WAPO on Friday—and Bill Kristol join Tim Miller.

*show notes: * Bill and Bob's conversation on authoritarianism in 2019) Bob's book, "Rebellion," published in April) Bob's 2016 piece warning how fascism could come to America) Tim's message to Haley voters )