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Adam Kinzinger and Pat Ryan: Bring It On

2024/12/11
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Adam Kinzinger: 面对特朗普政府的威胁和可能的政治迫害,Kinzinger 表达了他不屈不挠的态度,他认为特朗普政府试图通过制造恐惧来压制异见。他呼吁人们勇敢地面对威胁,不要向恐惧屈服。他还批评了一些共和党议员对 1 月 6 日事件的回应,认为他们回避了关键问题,试图讨好所有选民。关于特朗普可能赦免 1 月 6 日委员会成员的问题,Kinzinger 认为存在两种对立的观点:一种是接受赦免以避免进一步的迫害;另一种是坚持清白,拒绝接受赦免。他还谈到了特朗普政府利用诉讼来恐吓和压制异己,以及这种做法造成的经济损失。此外,Kinzinger 对 Tulsi Gabbard 被任命为情报协调员表示担忧,认为她与俄罗斯的关系密切,可能会泄露美国情报。他还回顾了他与 Gabbard 的友谊,以及 Gabbard 对巴沙尔·阿萨德和俄罗斯的立场。最后,Kinzinger 认为美国对以色列和乌克兰的支持在削弱伊朗和俄罗斯方面发挥了重要作用,这应被视为美国的胜利。 Pat Ryan: Ryan 讨论了他中期选举中出人意料的胜利,他认为这得益于他与民主党全国品牌保持距离,并对选民的关切做出了回应。他认为,民主党需要更清晰地指出谁是英雄谁是恶棍,并专注于解决人们最关心的问题,例如经济负担能力。他还谈到了政治暴力事件的发生,反映了政治制度未能满足民众需求,导致民众感到无力感。Ryan 认为,民主党不应该将整个制度视为腐败的,而应该关注那些在系统中作恶的人。他还讨论了民主党如何才能更有效地与选民沟通,以及如何才能在政治斗争中展现战斗精神,同时也要展现对人民的关怀和同情。最后,Ryan 谈到了 Pete Hegseth 被提名国防部长的问题,他认为这非常危险,民主党应该对此进行斗争。 Tim Miller: 作为主持人,Tim Miller 贯穿始终引导话题,并对两位嘉宾的观点进行补充和提问。

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Key Insights

Why did Adam Kinzinger respond to Trump's threat of imprisonment with 'Bring it on'?

Kinzinger believes that showing fear in public only emboldens authoritarians like Trump. He argues that by publicly challenging Trump, he denies him the satisfaction of intimidation and asserts that America won't stand for the abuse of the legal system.

What was the reaction of some House Republicans to the January 6th committee?

Several House Republicans, including Jim Comer, Tim Burchett, and Lauren Boebert, suggested that members of the January 6th committee should be imprisoned if they broke the law. However, none of them publicly criticized this stance, and some, like Mike Lawler, avoided the question entirely.

What does Adam Kinzinger say about the evidence collected by the January 6th committee?

Kinzinger clarifies that the January 6th committee did not delete any evidence, as Trump and others have claimed. All evidence collected by the committee is available on govinfo.gov, including the report and supporting materials.

Why does Adam Kinzinger oppose accepting a pardon from Trump?

Kinzinger believes that accepting a pardon would imply guilt, which he and his colleagues do not feel they have. He argues that they did not break any laws and should not accept a pardon, even if it might protect them from potential legal harassment by Trump.

What concerns Adam Kinzinger about Kash Patel's potential role in the Department of Justice?

Kinzinger fears that Kash Patel could irreparably damage the reputation of the Department of Justice and the FBI by using them as tools to target political enemies of Trump. He compares Patel's potential actions to those of J. Edgar Hoover, who used the FBI to intimidate political opponents.

Why is Tulsi Gabbard's nomination as intelligence coordinator considered dangerous by Adam Kinzinger?

Gabbard's history of aligning with figures like Bashar al-Assad and her potential sympathies for Russia raise concerns. As coordinator of intelligence agencies, she would have access to sensitive information, including the identities of informants within foreign governments, which could be compromised if she has pro-Russian leanings.

How did Pat Ryan's campaign strategy differ from the national Democratic Party's approach?

Ryan distanced himself from the national Democratic brand by focusing on local issues and criticizing both Biden and state party leaders. He ran on a platform of being a different kind of Democrat, emphasizing independence and responsiveness to his constituents' needs, which resonated more in his swing district.

What does Pat Ryan attribute his electoral success to?

Ryan believes his success came from listening to his constituents and focusing on their immediate concerns, such as affordability and economic pain, rather than national issues that didn't resonate locally. He also positioned himself as a fighter for his district, taking on local issues like utility monopolies and corporate corruption.

What does Pat Ryan suggest the Democratic Party should do to rebuild its image?

Ryan argues that the Democratic Party needs to clearly identify villains and heroes in its messaging, focusing on issues that directly affect people's lives, such as corporate exploitation and corrupt public officials. He believes the party should show a willingness to fight for the American people rather than defend the status quo.

How does Pat Ryan view the role of corporate accountability in political messaging?

Ryan sees corporate accountability as a key issue that can resonate with voters. He highlights examples like his fight against a local utility company that failed its customers, arguing that making examples of bad actors can help correct systemic issues and show that the party is fighting for the people.

Chapters
This chapter analyzes Trump's attempts to intimidate his political opponents by threatening imprisonment. The discussion emphasizes the importance of not showing fear and instead, directly confronting Trump's actions.
  • Trump's threats of imprisonment against political opponents
  • The importance of not showing fear in the face of authoritarian tactics
  • The belief that America will not tolerate such abuses of the legal system

Shownotes Transcript

Team Trump is trying to intimidate the opposition. Stop showing them your fear. Plus, Gaetz moves from AG nominee to low-rent MAGA cable channel host, and RT's girlfriend, Tulsi, could have access to the identities of our informants in Russia if she is confirmed. Meanwhile, as Dems plot a way forward, they need to be more clear about calling out the heroes and the villains: When you're trying to be everything to everyone, you're nothing.

Adam Kinzinger and Rep. Pat Ryan join Tim Miller.

show notes Kinzinger's Substack response to Trump's jail threat) Jake Tapper's 2017 interview with Tulsi Gabbard after her meeting with Assad)